Honestly, In this case think that proper exposure and lens used has more effect on the image, rather than the the image sensor. Back in the film days it sure did matter what type of film we were using. Anyway the person operating the camera makes the difference. A talented and skilled photographer makes way better pictures with his smartphone, compared to an average one with a Leica.
I found it strange that you chose the standard monochrome with the Fuji when I suppose most people who shoot monochrome on a Fuji shot the Acros simulation.
I shoot with standard monochrome as well. At first, it was Acros all the way. Then, I noticed that I wasn't so happy with high ISO shots in Acros.(3200, and above) Loss of detail, and sometimes too much grain. Fortunately, for what I like, standard B&W looks very good. I shoot it 'flat'; shadows=0, highlights=0, and no colour filter. The first image in this set was shot with those settings. www.tamedmonkey.com/concert-shots It's straight out of camera, other than a slight crop.
I chose B all the way. But the difference doesn't justify the price point. I would like to see the results using the ACROS in the Fujifilm, because is such a beautiful thing.
Me too i picked B also but i have a fuji and shoot acros not including it doesnt really show what fuji can do With acros my shots look much better than the fuji shots shown here.
Oh give me a break. None of the Sony shots look "flat" or have "blown highlights". None of them. If any shots were similar, it was the Leica and Sony, both having slightly shallower depth of field.
I was sure leica is C 😮, but Sony sharpness is unmatched here and I like that slightly brighter than the other two. I would try today with my a6400, I like monochrome but just composing and detail are most important in monochrome I guess I don’t have much experience if you have some advice to share that would be thankful frommy side! 🤞🙏
David Woods Save you much more than 7k . The combination of Leica M10 monochrom and the summilux 35mm is more than $20,000 compare to fujifilm Xt3 and 23mm 1.4 is about 3k .
I have and love my XT3 and chose Leica #1 in every shot followed by Sony (in a few, though, Sony and Fuji were hard to decide between). How much is that Leica? ;)
@@DB-nl9xw Yet they managed to get a better job regarding focus than the Fuji or the Sony since most of those two weren't actually really in focus as it seemed. That can't be just because of the lack of a CFA.
Honestly, I had to do so much careful looking to see any real difference between any of them. I also had no clear preference for any one camera. That in itself is *very* instructive - it means I wouldn't be any happier with Leica's results than I am with my X-T3. Now whether the Leica is a better shooting experience, that's not something I'm likely to find out (can't afford one!).
Once it got to the portrait B really stood out. For the price, the Fuji and Somy really held up. Would be interesting to try this with the same sumi lens adapted on all three. I bet the difference would shrink even more.
I actually liked the Sony in some of the shots, but boy, the XT-3’s monochrome mode really feels just like the M10’s images in most cases in my opinion.
I chose mostly A and B, C had a bunch of blown highlights. But it’s hard to tell on a screen, was surprised the Fuji and Leica seemed to have similar dynamic ranges on screen. I use Sony cameras but the highlights were definitely blown, which is why with Sony you have to shoot raw and covert to mono later.
They're all good. Every one of them can be tweaked a bit in post to look just like one of the others. All it really comes down to is personal preference. FWIW, I shoot B&W exclusively. With a Fuji X-T2, and Fuji X100F, but the reasons why aren't addressed just by looking at the images. I really prefer Fuji's straight out of camera jpegs, I like having autofocus, and I really like Fuji's electronic viewfinder.
Great idea btw ! I picked B mostly ! Do you have a link to the full res of the comparison files ? It would be great to go through them at full res on a larger screen (not a small smart phone lol) Thanks !
I picked mostly A & B. The difference is negligible given the difference in price. Wonder why some of the A7III shots looked a bit overexposed. The one shot where I thought the Leica really stood out was the portraits. Nice deep tones.
I couldn’t get the difference in most cases I thought images C were the Leica. To be honest Even if have the money I wouldn’t buy the monochrome camera
I didn't quite catch that they would be the same camera throughout so the Fuji and Sony got varied guesses but I seemed to pick out the Leica. There must be something a little extra to it. The fact it's much higher resolution by default probably helps (watched in 1440p) but there's something about the tones that did translate as well.
If you know the three brands, it was pretty obvious which was which. I began photography shooting B&W film, and I loved the pictures from the M10 Mono (the tones look "right"). Do I love it enough to spend that much money when my a7R III can do a decent job? Probably not.
I could tell which was which having owned 2 of the 3 cameras. for the best part the differences are subtle yet obvious. I could tell straight away which set the Sony was. it just looks a little flatter. The fuji and Leica are remarkably close, but the real difference was noticed in the portrait. The Leica just takes the edge with its dynamic range. A Leica is my dream camera, however I am more then happy to stick with the Fuji as bang for buck its possibly the best camera on the market
I can’t do these blind tests. When I see the Leica M Monochrome as a gallery, I’m blown away by the tonal range, subtlety of grays, resolution, etc. The Fujis are softer than the other two. It would be better for me to see all the A’s, then all the B’s, then all the C’s. It takes a while for my eyes to open up to the sensor environment. Really it’s not about quick, first impressions. Also, the lens makes a huge difference. It’s pretty amazing to see what happens to a Fuji with great Leica glass attached. On another note, I understand Daniel Morrison B&W conversions of Sony A7Rii are pretty darn close to Leica Monochrome-easily the next best thing. I may try to convert my Nex6 which is just sitting around (since I hate Sony color anyway). For me (low fixed income) I would have to decide to only shoot digital B&W to even entertain the thought of owning the Leica-but would probably go back to film if that were the case. 8x10 film images blow every single alternative out of the universe, including $10K medium format digital.
Most of my choices were C. A lot of people are in agreement that the $7k Monochrome price tag is beyond what people are willing to spend for a dedicated BW camera. Thanks for the video. I’m sure this saved people a lot of money! 💰👍
I get pretty good B+W using Olympus - They should be in the test as well At the moment I'm using the original EM5 but the Pen F does better, especially in Mono Mode 2. Bring it back Olympus!
Cool test of which I set out to try and ID the M10M camera and I managed 4 of 6 images. The last 2 images is where I stumbled. Depending on the scene, one can really see the difference of the Mono sensor. Thanks, really enjoyed this video!
The RAW files in the Monochrome are monochrome. The files are insane and shadow detail is unlike anything I’ve seen before. Just expose for highlights and as long as they’re not blown out, you can push these RAW files crazy hard
I chose mostly photos from the leica, followed by the Fuji. The portrait taken with the leica was striking and really stood out. The sony lacked midrange tonality.
It would be great if the RAWs were posted. I like the methodology taken and am curious about the differences. but the differences are not going to come across in a video (esp. UA-cam). All cameras compared are excellent performers, so the differences are going to be in the finest of details (likely lost to video compression). Also, the notes say "a 35mm lens on each camera" was used but was the same lens on each camera (adapted), or a least the same make and model? And what lens or lenses?
I think the test is a bit off: I assumed C is the Leica M10M because this camera tends to overexpose the highlights if not underexposed a bit. It means that for some reason in this test the Sony shots were overexposed which you see especially in the first set.
I chose mostly A or B, with C often overexposed. I would like to see this mono comparison: Fuji Acros, Olympus Pen F Mono #2, Lumix L. Monochrome D - all tend to lean to greater contrast. Hard to tell true sharpness with YT compression.
I shoot black & white images with a Fuji X-Pro2 digital mirrorless with a Fujinon 23mm f/1.4 lens and a Leica M10 digital rangefinder with a Zeiss Distagon 35mm f/1.4 lens. The black and white images produced by my two cameras are very similar. I was not surprised that I thought the A images and the B images in your blind test were very similar. However, I was surprised that I preferred the Sony C images to the other two. To me, the whites in Fuji and the Leica images appeared to be too muddy. The Sony whites appeared to be cleaner or brighter.
All three very nice, but the B images were a cut above the others... I guess that is good for the price! Much harder to focus that thing though... did you find it more difficult to get good focus on the rangefinder?
I thought there was little between A & B but marginally preferred A and assumed incorrectly that was the Leica. On other videos its been the Leica and not Fuji that I've preferred and with more of an obvious difference but I think that was the Fuji X100V against the Leica Q2.
I chose B in all of the sets. Common points in each set are: A and B almost have the same dynamic range and overall looks similar. C on the otherhand was bright as hell on all tests and I found myself just gravitating back towards A and B. Also, during the pixel peeping parts, C was "clearly" the softest of the 3. And B was just sharper to me compared to the A.
From my perspective I consistently chose A & C as my choices. Sharpness and finer details in the trees and grass but they also had more contrast. B to me looked a bit flat but had smoother transitions. C looked a bit overexposed as compared to A & B. In the last group I was sure C was the leica as they appeared sharpest. Overall I preferred A. I'm wondering if Fujifilm was the under dog as it was the only camera with a 23mm lens while the Lieca and Sony had 35mm lenses. Loss of detail in the A group could be due to a larger crop. Funny enough I own the Fujifilm X-Pro 3 and shoot a lot in ACROSS. It could be my eye is accustom to the look of the Fujifilm. I am a Leica fan but this test took the obsession for Leica out of my head.
I loved the As and was pleasantly surprised it was a Fuji. I don't own the system, but to think that the Leica would not please me aesthetically leaves no doubt in my mind that I am not missing out on anything.
My pick, most B and 1 A and 1 C. I wonder why Fujifilm don't make a X100V Monochrom? That will be a favorite for street and Black and White photography.
I picked B. But only just. Perhaps because I’m used to emulating a similar (not same) Leica M look with my Olympus OMD’s simply by selecting Low Key gradation and Contrast +1.
Questions: Were the monochrome images default profile in each camera? I guess Leica can shoot monochrome raw files, however the other two use jpgs by default if you want an in camara b&w. Final thought, as the difference is negligible between Fuji and Leica (Sony blows out the highlights), is it better to shoot the Fuji in Raw, and then to use a b&w LR profile? When you do that you even can use your RGB channels to fine tune your images, not so when you upload an already b&w jpg.
I thought the Leica really stood out on two images, the portrait of the girl and the flowers. The sharpness really stood out with the flowers and the gradients were amazing on the portrait. As a Fuji x-pro shooter I know that the Acros profile has similar characteristics when used, and is a serious contender for the price.
Really surprised as I have the Leica Mono 246. I chose mostly A - the Fuji. Really hard to decide on a smartphone screen. The best test would be comparing large prints but that’s impossible .....
Very nice comparisson. Ive choose mostly B for its sharpness, but the Sony is slightly overexposured, what i like, because of the contrast. So my blindtest was: 1. all close together. C has the nicest contrast, b B the better sharpness 2. all close together, i choose A for overall look, B for sharpness(here i assumed, that A must be the Fuji) 3. looks all similiar for me. Nice photo from each camera 4. B for its sharpness C for contrast 5. B 6. B When i make photos in B/W, my focus is on sharpness. The contrast is something, you can adjust in the camera itself. I was a little bit dissappointed by the Fuji, cuz iv got a Fuji XT2 by my own. But you need to set the noise reduction on -2 and switch off the noise reduction on long term photos to get maximum sharpness.(in the other way its a little bit more blury to cancel the noice) The overall sharpness is the point, why i prefer the 35mm f/2.0 over the 35mm f/1.4 Fuji lens.
Well overall I preferred A and was quite surprised of this being Fuji X-Trans monochrome and not Leica M10. I felt the B pics had more contrast but felt this being to hard in most situations and the C, the Sony, overall being to flat. However it remains to be seen to what extend either the Fuji or Leica can be fine tuned to the desired individual look...
All depend on the scene, on some the higher highligts of Sony complement more the shot. For portrait at the end, A and B have a nice balance and C dont come out as good. I found A a bit on the dark side on most of the shots. B have a overhall betted balance. For sharpness, they are all sharp enougth. At the end nothing that can't be tweeked in camera for your personal preferences.
I picked A, A, C B, B, A so it was a mix, each looked great, some seem to excel in a certain way. I have a Sony a7r 4 I was about to go do some b&w shooting. great video.
We appreciate the effort but it's impossible to make a serious judgment from UA-cam. Can we download the files? Or maybe you guys can upload on Fliker? Thank you
first place B, you can see it beats A and C .especially where is micro conntrast. in tecture where you can find more tones of grey, where in A and C you can see less tone differencies. second place is A and the looser is C.
Thanks, super interesting, choosing mostly A, some B no C. May we download the images to pixel peep? How did you compensate depth of field on the close up subjects? Stopping down the full frames 1 ⅓ stop?
I do know what you mean but to be far we are watching though UA-cam and I would bet there is very little difference they all be very good. To see any of these you need to see the prints. Not to mention the user experience and the Leica will be both the hardest to use but will give you the biggest sense of achievement if when or if you get it right. Great video thanks I hope your fires go way soon.
Was right about the three. I could see better sharpness in the Leica pictures and thought about the smaller sensor in the Fujifilm… for lower dynamic range
Exposure wasn‘t always identical. And things like cloud coverage were sometimes slightly different between the cameras. Both have huge impact in overall contrast and light, which is way more emphasised when there‘s no color, so it would have been crucial that both exposure and cloud cloud coverage were the same across all cameras, but they weren‘t. You can clearly notice how more or less clouds completely change the light and the way you see the image, so it‘s not a fair comparison in my opinion. I did the test anyway, for the sake of it, and most of the images I chose were from the Leica. I personally use the Fujifilm X-T3.
Your raw files in a color sensor will always be in color, if you set your camera to bnw you will see in monochrome in EVF which is great for a real time assessment of the contrast and tonality. You will need to convert the raw files to bnw in your editing software
The Leica was obvious to spot in that line-up, but I wonder if it would be as easy to spot against a B&W render of a normal M10 image. How much of the quality came from the glass?
The problem with the Sony photos is the black and white setting in camera isn't great. Converting a RAW file using the black and white tool in Capture One and then editing the dynamic range to suit gives me far better results than out of camera black and white jpgs. I only use the black and white creative style to preview in black and white when taking photographs.
I chose C on most of the images. I admit it's a personal taste more than a quantitative characteristic, but I liked the brightness and contrast of the images, and felt the images were sharp enough, though I found the M10 appeared a bit sharper in some images.
There were a few images at the beginning that I choose A or B near the end I was choosing B or C images B was consistently mostly chosen. I think the A B and C were switching between cameras. I'd love to own a Leica but its one of those things where They'd have to sponsor me with the camera and a couple of lenses :)
I preferred the images coming out of A and B over C for every set, mostly because C seemed over exposed with less details in the highlights. The result was that C always looked less contrasty. Between A and B I thought that B had the sharper image when zoomed in, the the shadows were crushed. For web publishing I'd prefer A, but for actual prints I feel like B or C (with better compensation for exposure) would be more ideal.
on all but 1 and 3 i chose a each time, for which i chose b went in totally blind, interesting to see that i picked fuji so consistently, and when i didn't it was for the only camera system i'd ever swap over too
I did like the Leica the most, the darker colors seemed richer and better contrast. I would be curious about the other b&w fuji profiles, I don’t usually use the one you chose when I shoot my xt-4. Does not really matter since I will never be able to buy the Leica.
B > A > C. C is too flat and artificial (bad post processing?). A is not bad, but slightly flat and blurry. B has most natural resolution and gradations. But it is very hard to judge based on UA-cam video.
I kept choosing A or B but I have C :(. Although, it seems to me that the Sony had a higher exposure, it think if it was exposed slightly lower and possibly a smidge of post processing it would be very difficult to tell these apart
quite a mix of favourites for me, but none better or worse to a great extent. overall, B was slightly better, C slightly worse, but sometimes i preferred them for being a bit brighter. Didn't see anything that made me think i need to rush out and change from my D750.
except the first two i guessed the B for the Leica, you can see the higher resolution in the zoomed picture. If you have to pick it out only by the black and white it would be impossible for me to see the difference .
I watched this video twice with the knowledge of knowing which was which. I don't see that much of a difference between these images that would bother me. I could change the contrast, highlight and shadow detail in Lightroom or Photoshop. I like the idea of various film emulsion choices on the FujifilmX-T3; although Lightroom has black-and-white presets. Now that I saw this test I could never justify spending that kind of money on a dedicated black-and-white camera. Since Leica has had success with there former monochrome camera, I believe they will succeed with this one. Even though I would not buy a camera like this it is a great camera and I pray for the success of Leica.
My results were … 1) CAB, 2) ABC, 3) ABC, 4) CAB, 5) CAB and 6) ACB with both A and C getting top spots 3 times each. Very surprised the Leica never made my first choice! Cool video. Nice work!
Honestly, In this case think that proper exposure and lens used has more effect on the image, rather than the the image sensor. Back in the film days it sure did matter what type of film we were using.
Anyway the person operating the camera makes the difference. A talented and skilled photographer makes way better pictures with his smartphone, compared to an average one with a Leica.
I found it strange that you chose the standard monochrome with the Fuji when I suppose most people who shoot monochrome on a Fuji shot the Acros simulation.
Agreed. The Acros is usually best.
Acros has a stepper gradient to its tone curve in the high lights than monochrome. It makes all the samples more comparable.
Acros all the way
david neville , that’s exactly what I wanted to reply to Calvin. You’re first 🙌
I shoot with standard monochrome as well. At first, it was Acros all the way. Then, I noticed that I wasn't so happy with high ISO shots in Acros.(3200, and above) Loss of detail, and sometimes too much grain. Fortunately, for what I like, standard B&W looks very good. I shoot it 'flat'; shadows=0, highlights=0, and no colour filter. The first image in this set was shot with those settings. www.tamedmonkey.com/concert-shots
It's straight out of camera, other than a slight crop.
I chose B all the way. But the difference doesn't justify the price point. I would like to see the results using the ACROS in the Fujifilm, because is such a beautiful thing.
Yes, mate. I shoot Acros with a little heavier shadow. Or else I use Nix software.
That was my first thought. Love Acros
@@philipae27 ikr
@@davidmcc6666 ACROS all the way
Me too i picked B also but i have a fuji and shoot acros not including it doesnt really show what fuji can do
With acros my shots look much better than the fuji shots shown here.
I chose B all the ways as well, beautiful contrast and clarity in all the images. Appreciate the effort in making this info available, well done!
Leica M10 and XT3 files look extremely similar, all Sony shots were easy to guess, they look flat and with blown highlights.
Pretty much my findings - I preferred B, (then A then C) especially the flower s shot where they looked more alive
XT3 was the easiest one, so blurry, no sharpness at all.
Oh give me a break. None of the Sony shots look "flat" or have "blown highlights". None of them. If any shots were similar, it was the Leica and Sony, both having slightly shallower depth of field.
How could blown highlights have anything to do with it being Sony? Pretty sure the A7iii has greater dynamic range than any Fuji.
andtothewestamerica oh no the Sony fanboys are butthurt. Sorry but the Sony was easily the worst monochrome camera and it wasn’t even close.
I chose C all the way and ended up shocked....being a Leica fan and user for over 40 years!
same here but i don't have leica and never liked sony pictures lol
...same to me, chosed mostly C, knowing, that it's Sonys Fullframe sensor....
same, but being a fuji fan..
I was sure leica is C 😮, but Sony sharpness is unmatched here and I like that slightly brighter than the other two. I would try today with my a6400, I like monochrome but just composing and detail are most important in monochrome I guess I don’t have much experience if you have some advice to share that would be thankful frommy side! 🤞🙏
Samne as you and i expected B to be fujifilm x-t3
Just saved me about $7K. Thanks.
just for the body...
@@mauroangelantoni6889 Just for the lens hood you mean. :-)
David Woods as if you would have bought it in the first place 😂
David Woods Save you much more than 7k . The combination of Leica M10 monochrom and the summilux 35mm is more than $20,000 compare to fujifilm Xt3 and 23mm 1.4 is about 3k .
That was interesting. I chose NONE of the Leica versions but almost all the Sony ones. Odd because I use, and love, my Fujifilm X-T3. Hmmmmmmm.
I have and love my XT3 and chose Leica #1 in every shot followed by Sony (in a few, though, Sony and Fuji were hard to decide between). How much is that Leica? ;)
I think the problem is the manual focus of the Leica is hard to nail to get the best sharpness and contrast
Same here. Sony all the way and one Fuji.
@@DB-nl9xw Yet they managed to get a better job regarding focus than the Fuji or the Sony since most of those two weren't actually really in focus as it seemed. That can't be just because of the lack of a CFA.
diotough - well, a combination of things are probably at work there.
1- great glass
2- no colour filter
3- 40MP vs 24MP
4- software settings
I picked "A" for most of the photos. "B" for two and "C" came last in all samples. Thanks, this was very interesting.
Same!
OMFG, Did you not see the three dimensionality of B? It was in every image set. The whole video is like a sales pitch for Leica.
Honestly, I had to do so much careful looking to see any real difference between any of them. I also had no clear preference for any one camera. That in itself is *very* instructive - it means I wouldn't be any happier with Leica's results than I am with my X-T3. Now whether the Leica is a better shooting experience, that's not something I'm likely to find out (can't afford one!).
very impressed with the Fuji results plus, good to know that "Steven Buscemi" does photography videos as well
It's Steve bro lol
Once it got to the portrait B really stood out. For the price, the Fuji and Somy really held up. Would be interesting to try this with the same sumi lens adapted on all three. I bet the difference would shrink even more.
agree that the portrait was considerably better on B. most fo the rest i actually preferred A
I actually liked the Sony in some of the shots, but boy, the XT-3’s monochrome mode really feels just like the M10’s images in most cases in my opinion.
I chose mostly A and B, C had a bunch of blown highlights. But it’s hard to tell on a screen, was surprised the Fuji and Leica seemed to have similar dynamic ranges on screen. I use Sony cameras but the highlights were definitely blown, which is why with Sony you have to shoot raw and covert to mono later.
I coudn't make any difference just by watching the video at the normal speed ! So, I keep my XT3.
I did guest B most of the time for Leica images. The contrast and the sharpness was the leica characteristic.
Same
I like A, though to have a monochrome Leica is always my dream.
They're all good. Every one of them can be tweaked a bit in post to look just like one of the others. All it really comes down to is personal preference.
FWIW, I shoot B&W exclusively. With a Fuji X-T2, and Fuji X100F, but the reasons why aren't addressed just by looking at the images. I really prefer Fuji's straight out of camera jpegs, I like having autofocus, and I really like Fuji's electronic viewfinder.
Great idea btw ! I picked B mostly ! Do you have a link to the full res of the comparison files ? It would be great to go through them at full res on a larger screen (not a small smart phone lol) Thanks !
I picked mostly A & B. The difference is negligible given the difference in price. Wonder why some of the A7III shots looked a bit overexposed. The one shot where I thought the Leica really stood out was the portraits. Nice deep tones.
exactly. the Leica looked so interesting on the portraits not sure why? but it did.
I’m surprised that I liked more of the Sony pictures, seeing as I shoot fuji; but I do edit my fuji shots, so I prob don’t like out-of-camera results
This is the best advantage of Fuji cameras!
straight A's!. I was a little nervous but now happy I went the Fuji way!
I couldn’t get the difference in most cases I thought images C were the Leica. To be honest Even if have the money I wouldn’t buy the monochrome camera
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I choose A, and seems consistent with my own experience shooting B&W on my Fujifilm cameras. I mainly prefer the Fuji’s rendering of the skies.
I didn't quite catch that they would be the same camera throughout so the Fuji and Sony got varied guesses but I seemed to pick out the Leica. There must be something a little extra to it. The fact it's much higher resolution by default probably helps (watched in 1440p) but there's something about the tones that did translate as well.
If you know the three brands, it was pretty obvious which was which. I began photography shooting B&W film, and I loved the pictures from the M10 Mono (the tones look "right"). Do I love it enough to spend that much money when my a7R III can do a decent job? Probably not.
I could tell which was which having owned 2 of the 3 cameras. for the best part the differences are subtle yet obvious. I could tell straight away which set the Sony was. it just looks a little flatter. The fuji and Leica are remarkably close, but the real difference was noticed in the portrait. The Leica just takes the edge with its dynamic range. A Leica is my dream camera, however I am more then happy to stick with the Fuji as bang for buck its possibly the best camera on the market
Thanks good work, I favored C. I use an Z6II in col and desat after, Cheers
I can’t do these blind tests. When I see the Leica M Monochrome as a gallery, I’m blown away by the tonal range, subtlety of grays, resolution, etc. The Fujis are softer than the other two. It would be better for me to see all the A’s, then all the B’s, then all the C’s. It takes a while for my eyes to open up to the sensor environment. Really it’s not about quick, first impressions. Also, the lens makes a huge difference. It’s pretty amazing to see what happens to a Fuji with great Leica glass attached. On another note, I understand Daniel Morrison B&W conversions of Sony A7Rii are pretty darn close to Leica Monochrome-easily the next best thing. I may try to convert my Nex6 which is just sitting around (since I hate Sony color anyway). For me (low fixed income) I would have to decide to only shoot digital B&W to even entertain the thought of owning the Leica-but would probably go back to film if that were the case. 8x10 film images blow every single alternative out of the universe, including $10K medium format digital.
Most of my choices were C. A lot of people are in agreement that the $7k Monochrome price tag is beyond what people are willing to spend for a dedicated BW camera. Thanks for the video. I’m sure this saved people a lot of money! 💰👍
Well, it's pretty easy to guess judging from the sharpness (the zoomed in section, the Leica is sharper because of the 40mpx resolution).
Fritzkier Its about the 40Mp and the Lens that outperformes the other lenses by miles.. So the comparison is not fair at all.
Gracias! La calidad de las tres cámaras es excelente. Muy díficil elegir.
3:45 the man standing on the bridge was headless! I double checked many times...
shoot, scary AF
decapitated
I mostly chose the Leica M10 with a couple of times going with the X-T3. The A7iii was usually third.
I get pretty good B+W using Olympus - They should be in the test as well
At the moment I'm using the original EM5 but the Pen F does better, especially in Mono Mode 2. Bring it back Olympus!
Differences may be more apparent when printing A3 or larger.
Wonder how many people there are with these type of cameras that just publish their photos on ig. I bet the number is pretty big.
@@benisboy2697 Kinda people who are dedicated to film, but scan the negative and edited it in lightroom, and then hashtag film is not dead.
Cool test of which I set out to try and ID the M10M camera and I managed 4 of 6 images. The last 2 images is where I stumbled. Depending on the scene, one can really see the difference of the Mono sensor. Thanks, really enjoyed this video!
I would never use a monochrome mode on any camera. You can do so much more by processing a RAW file in software.
The RAW files in the Monochrome are monochrome. The files are insane and shadow detail is unlike anything I’ve seen before. Just expose for highlights and as long as they’re not blown out, you can push these RAW files crazy hard
Mostly A and B from time to time. Never C...
The exposure was sometimes different .
I chose mostly photos from the leica, followed by the Fuji. The portrait taken with the leica was striking and really stood out. The sony lacked midrange tonality.
It would be great if the RAWs were posted. I like the methodology taken and am curious about the differences. but the differences are not going to come across in a video (esp. UA-cam). All cameras compared are excellent performers, so the differences are going to be in the finest of details (likely lost to video compression). Also, the notes say "a 35mm lens on each camera" was used but was the same lens on each camera (adapted), or a least the same make and model? And what lens or lenses?
I think the test is a bit off: I assumed C is the Leica M10M because this camera tends to overexpose the highlights if not underexposed a bit. It means that for some reason in this test the Sony shots were overexposed which you see especially in the first set.
I chose mostly A or B, with C often overexposed. I would like to see this mono comparison: Fuji Acros, Olympus Pen F Mono #2, Lumix L. Monochrome D - all tend to lean to greater contrast. Hard to tell true sharpness with YT compression.
I would have liked the Fujifilm using its Acros film simulation rather than straight Monochrome.
I shoot black & white images with a Fuji X-Pro2 digital mirrorless with a Fujinon 23mm f/1.4 lens and a Leica M10 digital rangefinder with a Zeiss Distagon 35mm f/1.4 lens. The black and white images produced by my two cameras are very similar.
I was not surprised that I thought the A images and the B images in your blind test were very similar. However, I was surprised that I preferred the Sony C images to the other two. To me, the whites in Fuji and the Leica images appeared to be too muddy. The Sony whites appeared to be cleaner or brighter.
All three very nice, but the B images were a cut above the others... I guess that is good for the price! Much harder to focus that thing though... did you find it more difficult to get good focus on the rangefinder?
I thought there was little between A & B but marginally preferred A and assumed incorrectly that was the Leica. On other videos its been the Leica and not Fuji that I've preferred and with more of an obvious difference but I think that was the Fuji X100V against the Leica Q2.
Gone back and slightly prefer B to A .. but is it because I know its a Leica now :-o
I chose B in all of the sets. Common points in each set are:
A and B almost have the same dynamic range and overall looks similar. C on the otherhand was bright as hell on all tests and I found myself just gravitating back towards A and B. Also, during the pixel peeping parts, C was "clearly" the softest of the 3. And B was just sharper to me compared to the A.
Cool test. I found A and B were really close and generally preferred C. But personally would toned that C set down just a touch.
From my perspective I consistently chose A & C as my choices. Sharpness and finer details in the trees and grass but they also had more contrast. B to me looked a bit flat but had smoother transitions. C looked a bit overexposed as compared to A & B. In the last group I was sure C was the leica as they appeared sharpest. Overall I preferred A. I'm wondering if Fujifilm was the under dog as it was the only camera with a 23mm lens while the Lieca and Sony had 35mm lenses. Loss of detail in the A group could be due to a larger crop. Funny enough I own the Fujifilm X-Pro 3 and shoot a lot in ACROSS. It could be my eye is accustom to the look of the Fujifilm. I am a Leica fan but this test took the obsession for Leica out of my head.
But 23mm on fuji is a 35mm equivalent. No crop applied then.
I am with you. On my cell phone I have chosen A for the first shots and C for the last ones....Never B....
Snap!
I loved the As and was pleasantly surprised it was a Fuji. I don't own the system, but to think that the Leica would not please me aesthetically leaves no doubt in my mind that I am not missing out on anything.
I understand using basic monochrome for Fuji for comparison, but I can't see an user preferring that to using Acros and the color chrome modes.
What surprised me the most was that none of the photos were sharp when zooming in. Interesting test. Thanks!
Our pleasure, glad you got something out of it
My pick, most B and 1 A and 1 C. I wonder why Fujifilm don't make a X100V Monochrom? That will be a favorite for street and Black and White photography.
I picked B. But only just. Perhaps because I’m used to emulating a similar (not same) Leica M look with my Olympus OMD’s simply by selecting Low Key gradation and Contrast +1.
Questions: Were the monochrome images default profile in each camera? I guess Leica can shoot monochrome raw files, however the other two use jpgs by default if you want an in camara b&w. Final thought, as the difference is negligible between Fuji and Leica (Sony blows out the highlights), is it better to shoot the Fuji in Raw, and then to use a b&w LR profile? When you do that you even can use your RGB channels to fine tune your images, not so when you upload an already b&w jpg.
Interesting! I had C marked worst but couldn't decide between A and B.
I thought the Leica really stood out on two images, the portrait of the girl and the flowers. The sharpness really stood out with the flowers and the gradients were amazing on the portrait. As a Fuji x-pro shooter I know that the Acros profile has similar characteristics when used, and is a serious contender for the price.
The portrait shot was terrible. My 6 years old kid could focus better than that!
Great Video!
Really surprised as I have the Leica Mono 246. I chose mostly A - the Fuji. Really hard to decide on a smartphone screen. The best test would be comparing large prints but that’s impossible .....
I did choose the A camera for all images, except for the image 2, where I did prefer the B camera..
Me too....
ASimages me too 💪🏼
Very nice comparisson. Ive choose mostly B for its sharpness, but the Sony is slightly overexposured, what i like, because of the contrast.
So my blindtest was:
1. all close together. C has the nicest contrast, b B the better sharpness
2. all close together, i choose A for overall look, B for sharpness(here i assumed, that A must be the Fuji)
3. looks all similiar for me. Nice photo from each camera
4. B for its sharpness C for contrast
5. B
6. B
When i make photos in B/W, my focus is on sharpness. The contrast is something, you can adjust in the camera itself.
I was a little bit dissappointed by the Fuji, cuz iv got a Fuji XT2 by my own. But you need to set the noise reduction on -2 and switch off the noise reduction on long term photos to get maximum sharpness.(in the other way its a little bit more blury to cancel the noice) The overall sharpness is the point, why i prefer the 35mm f/2.0 over the 35mm f/1.4 Fuji lens.
The difference was negligible. I’d get the lightest/most compact camera or the cheapest depending on budget and need.
Ricoh GR plus use of Curves in Photoshop CC...
Exactly. They are all good, with very slight differences. It is pretty safe to choose based on price and other factors.
Well overall I preferred A and was quite surprised of this being Fuji X-Trans monochrome and not Leica M10. I felt the B pics had more contrast but felt this being to hard in most situations and the C, the Sony, overall being to flat. However it remains to be seen to what extend either the Fuji or Leica can be fine tuned to the desired individual look...
All depend on the scene, on some the higher highligts of Sony complement more the shot. For portrait at the end, A and B have a nice balance and C dont come out as good. I found A a bit on the dark side on most of the shots. B have a overhall betted balance. For sharpness, they are all sharp enougth. At the end nothing that can't be tweeked in camera for your personal preferences.
This video made me love my Fujifilm even more :D
I picked A, A, C B, B, A so it was a mix, each looked great, some seem to excel in a certain way. I have a Sony a7r 4 I was about to go do some b&w shooting. great video.
We appreciate the effort but it's impossible to make a serious judgment from UA-cam. Can we download the files? Or maybe you guys can upload on Fliker? Thank you
I have a Sony A7iii and an X-Pro1. I’ll definitely keep the X-Pro1 for black and white jpg straight of out camera. It’s magnificent
first place B, you can see it beats A and C .especially where is micro conntrast. in tecture where you can find more tones of grey, where in A and C you can see less tone differencies. second place is A and the looser is C.
A is consistently softer. B and C are both very sharp while C is brighter likely BSI sensor is letting in more light
Thanks, super interesting, choosing mostly A, some B no C. May we download the images to pixel peep? How did you compensate depth of field on the close up subjects? Stopping down the full frames 1 ⅓ stop?
Hi, I’m looking for a in camera picture profile for Sony A7riv that will give be a Leica Monochrome look ?
I do know what you mean but to be far we are watching though UA-cam and I would bet there is very little difference they all be very good. To see any of these you need to see the prints. Not to mention the user experience and the Leica will be both the hardest to use but will give you the biggest sense of achievement if when or if you get it right. Great video thanks I hope your fires go way soon.
Was right about the three. I could see better sharpness in the Leica pictures and thought about the smaller sensor in the Fujifilm… for lower dynamic range
I chose "B" for most and "C" for some
Exposure wasn‘t always identical. And things like cloud coverage were sometimes slightly different between the cameras. Both have huge impact in overall contrast and light, which is way more emphasised when there‘s no color, so it would have been crucial that both exposure and cloud cloud coverage were the same across all cameras, but they weren‘t.
You can clearly notice how more or less clouds completely change the light and the way you see the image, so it‘s not a fair comparison in my opinion.
I did the test anyway, for the sake of it, and most of the images I chose were from the Leica. I personally use the Fujifilm X-T3.
I'm a Fuji user for more than 10 years. My choice was B > A > C.
beginner question: should I shoot directly in bnw or colour and only after turn it into bnw via lightroom?
Your raw files in a color sensor will always be in color, if you set your camera to bnw you will see in monochrome in EVF which is great for a real time assessment of the contrast and tonality. You will need to convert the raw files to bnw in your editing software
The Leica was obvious to spot in that line-up, but I wonder if it would be as easy to spot against a B&W render of a normal M10 image. How much of the quality came from the glass?
Great video
Are these processed photos or straight out of camera? I could not see any differences between sample photos.
All images are straight out of camera
The problem with the Sony photos is the black and white setting in camera isn't great. Converting a RAW file using the black and white tool in Capture One and then editing the dynamic range to suit gives me far better results than out of camera black and white jpgs. I only use the black and white creative style to preview in black and white when taking photographs.
I chose C on most of the images. I admit it's a personal taste more than a quantitative characteristic, but I liked the brightness and contrast of the images, and felt the images were sharp enough, though I found the M10 appeared a bit sharper in some images.
Vielen Dank für diesen tollen Test!
There were a few images at the beginning that I choose A or B near the end I was choosing B or C images B was consistently mostly chosen. I think the A B and C were switching between cameras. I'd love to own a Leica but its one of those things where They'd have to sponsor me with the camera and a couple of lenses :)
I preferred the images coming out of A and B over C for every set, mostly because C seemed over exposed with less details in the highlights. The result was that C always looked less contrasty. Between A and B I thought that B had the sharper image when zoomed in, the the shadows were crushed. For web publishing I'd prefer A, but for actual prints I feel like B or C (with better compensation for exposure) would be more ideal.
Ive choose mostly A and then B. C has less contrast and 3d pop in the Images.
on all but 1 and 3 i chose a each time, for which i chose b
went in totally blind, interesting to see that i picked fuji so consistently, and when i didn't it was for the only camera system i'd ever swap over too
I did like the Leica the most, the darker colors seemed richer and better contrast. I would be curious about the other b&w fuji profiles, I don’t usually use the one you chose when I shoot my xt-4. Does not really matter since I will never be able to buy the Leica.
Thank you so much for your compare. You help me save a lot money, because I want to buy the M10 recently. lol
B > A > C. C is too flat and artificial (bad post processing?). A is not bad, but slightly flat and blurry. B has most natural resolution and gradations. But it is very hard to judge based on UA-cam video.
I kept choosing A or B but I have C :(. Although, it seems to me that the Sony had a higher exposure, it think if it was exposed slightly lower and possibly a smidge of post processing it would be very difficult to tell these apart
A comparison to the Fuji X100* would be interesting!
quite a mix of favourites for me, but none better or worse to a great extent. overall, B was slightly better, C slightly worse, but sometimes i preferred them for being a bit brighter. Didn't see anything that made me think i need to rush out and change from my D750.
except the first two i guessed the B for the Leica, you can see the higher resolution in the zoomed picture. If you have to pick it out only by the black and white it would be impossible for me to see the difference .
I watched this video twice with the knowledge of knowing which was which. I don't see that much of a difference between these images that would bother me. I could change the contrast, highlight and shadow detail in Lightroom or Photoshop. I like the idea of various film emulsion choices on the FujifilmX-T3; although Lightroom has black-and-white presets. Now that I saw this test I could never justify spending that kind of money on a dedicated black-and-white camera. Since Leica has had success with there former monochrome camera, I believe they will succeed with this one. Even though I would not buy a camera like this it is a great camera and I pray for the success of Leica.
I chose B all the way with A coming in second in most cases. Nice test!
My results were … 1) CAB, 2) ABC, 3) ABC, 4) CAB, 5) CAB and 6) ACB with both A and C getting top spots 3 times each. Very surprised the Leica never made my first choice! Cool video. Nice work!