DTF vs White Toner Prints | Battle Of The Transfers | Direct To Film Comparison
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- In this video we're going to be comparing DTF and white toner transfers. I'll be showing how to print and press each one of them and comparing how they feel and look once finished.
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I have been looking for this video for weeks! GREAT job breaking down everything and I am so grateful for your details! You helped me make the decision on the R1000....Now it's just time to take my prints to the next level
Thanks so much! I'm super glad you found it helpful! 😁 I absolutely love my RI1000. I was worried at first with all the negative reviews from users, but while I have had some issues, it's been nothing major. I've been loving the machine so far its fantastic. I'll be making some future videos with info on it so stay tuned! You got this!
@@NekoPrints Do you think you could do a video on any issues you've gone through with your RI1000 and what you did to resolve them?
This was hands down the best review I’ve seen in ages! You crossed every t and dotted every i. Every question I had was answered and this is coming from someone very familiar to both dtf and white toner.
It makes me so happy to read that! I try to be as in depth as possible and cover every aspect of the topic, so it means a lot you say that. Thanks so much for watching!
Great information! I feel like you just saved me a ton of money by giving so much useful infotainment!
Thank you! Super glad I could help and you found it helpful!
Thank you, I have a white toner working from home. I was about to put my oki 9541 up for sale, thanks to your video you helped me made the right decision.
Tks again
Glad I could help! Were you looking to get a DTF printer?
@@NekoPrints I was looking into it, but I don't think it will be a good fit to have it in my house. I buy the prints from another company when I need it. The price is not bad, they sell me a
22.5" X 30" for $19.00CND taxes in
I don't use my white toner as much
Do you have any video on Sublimation printers? If so send me a link I wanna check it out.
@@fazalroshansingh871 I actually don't! But I was planning on making a full beginners guide to it fairly soon 😊
Great info I think I’ll stick to ordering my DTF prints for now
Glad you found it helpful! I now order all my transfers. It's so much easier and quicker
Man, this video was very helpful! My concerns for white toner printers is how durable they are and how they feel after the second press. Your info was very helpful. Thanks! I appreciate the video!!
Glad it was helpful! Thank you so much for watching 🙏
Thank you for this video!
Glad you enjoyed! You're welcome! 😊
excellent video! Are the films for dtf sheets and the forever a sheet the same material? Wondering if the PET sheets will go through the oki printer
Thank you so much! No they're not, it's got a different type of covering. Unless it's specifically made for laser, I wouldnt try specialty papers in a white toner printer. The heat from the printer could melt off some of it and get it on your rollers and cause a big problem
Excellent video brother...
What about the fumes from the DTF adhesive...do you have to filter it??
Thank you! It's best to have a fan to blow the fumes out. But I just open both my windows and wear a mask until the room airs out 😅
Awesome video, planning to use my sublimation printer to print on the dtf film. What are the block you were using to prevent your heat press to touch the dtf during curing?
Can I just not cure it and press it on a shirt?
With the sublimation Dtf hack you can just press it onto the shirt. There really isn't a need to cure it. But try both ways. One way might work better for you than the other. As far as the Dtf sub hack itself, I tried it and didn't like it. I actually have a video on here with my experience with it. The blocks I used are simple. I got 15 business cards and stacked them. Then on top of that I put the some cut pieces of the bottom foam of an old press I had. It creates enough space to be able to close my press and have it hover
Might be good to mention that toner printer does come in the larger size so you’re not limited to letter size prints and tiling. Just buy the bigger unit
It does! I was about to go with the bigger one but it was a bit more than I wanted to spend
Hey man.
Awesome vid and info!
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed and found it helpful! 🙌😁
@@NekoPrints I definitely did.
Looking to do my own printing and got overwhelmed with all the info out there.
Didn’t know where to start!
From heat presses to printers to papers to software to marketing etc.
But, I now know the difference between sublimation, 2-step heat transfer printing with white toner printer and a bit of the dtg/f kinda prints.
The difference with your feedback tho, is what made me sub to ur channel.
Thanks for covering the textures, prices, maintenance etc. man.
I’m sure it’ll help out thousands and help save us even more than that!
May you and your channel be blessed.
Greetings from Cape Town South Africa 🇿🇦
@@CheslinEngel That means a lot thank you! Yes! Trust me I know! It's super overwhelming, but that's why I made this channel to try and help make it a bit easier to understand 😁
Best of luck on your journey! I'm sure you're going to do great!
@@NekoPrints thanx a mill bud!
Great video
Thank you 🙌
I shoulved waited to get a white toner, I did buy it used so not too bad…. I didn’t want to spend too much money, but I want a DTG printer maybe in a year or so. I got it mainly due to the low maintenance.
I regret getting my DTG printer to be honest. I should have stuck with my white toner more or maybe gotten a print and cut like a Roland bn20.
My main issue with DTF is the constant maintenance the machinery need. If for some reason you stop production even for a week, you are gonna suffer from clogs and make you lose an entire day of work.
Yup, that's why you should only go with a Dtf printer if you are 1. Ok with the maintenance, or 2. If you have enough work to justify using it daily for hours on end
our ricoh DTG was permanently destroyed because we werent able to run it every single day. got clogged so bad it couldn't be recovered. ricoh says you have to run it every day or you will get clogs and they don't warranty it. a very expensive lesson. we ditched it and went white toner and never looked back.
@zeiot says DTG and you say DTF... Does the rule apply to both... Using it daily rule?
Love the video great job💕💕💋💋💎💎
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed 😊😁
Do you pre heat the press so the bottom platen heats up prior to pressing the images to the shirts?
I only preheat the bottom platen before marrying the a and b sheets. 2 minutes does the trick for me at 310. I only do it the first time though before marrying the first transfer
Great job. Loves the explanation on both. What temperature did you use marry the A and B sheet for the white toner ?
Thanks so much! I used 310f for 2 minutes
@@NekoPrints Thank you so much. Keep up the great work and thank you for your time in making these videos for newbies
You're welcome! I'm so glad to hear you enjoy them and find them helpful 🙌
Thank you so much for this video. I have a white toner printer, but I do not like the results after washing. I think I'm going to us my printer for sublimation jobs and do away with white toner printing.
I still use it from time to time even though I have a dtg. It's more for kid shirts and quick ones I don't want to pretreat lol. But I still see white toners as a great way to print full colors for people who can't afford a dtg or have the time or space for Dtf
sublimation is definitely superior even compared to inkjet DTG, especially for durability. our i550 is great for sublimation toner.
I have a Uninet iColor 560 and wasn't happy with the paper feel of it. It feels to thin and cheap. Is there any way to improve the feel such as better paper or ink? I'm stuck with the printer and just wanted to maximize it as best as possible. Thanks for the video very informative!
There are a few different paper options. I've tried the basic and the premium paper. The difference was minimal, but there are quite a few options you can check out. Thanks so much for watching!
How does the color(color match) come out on the ricoh dtg machine if used for dtf? Does it come out matte? If the dtf or dtg machines does not get clogged, I would buy it right now!
Dtf I have noticed comes out a bit lighter than what you get on the screen. You also have to take into account it prints in cmyk so certain colors will be lighter. I haven't had a clog thankfully. It has an automatic cleaning system, but still needs regular light maintenance
question have you tried using dtf powder on white toner sheet either before or after Its Transferred To White Toner B Sheet ? Have you Tried This? If So Does The Image Sit Better Or Worse?
So the adhesive powder after marrying the sheets? No I haven't, but the powder won't stick since there isn't anything wet to keep the powder in place
I bought the icolor560. One thing that pissed me off is they give you a standard ink cartridge for C, M, Y & black. They gave me an extended florescent white cartridge. I was able to print 200 sheets before the colors went out & my white is still full. So I had to speed $750 to get the extended cartridges. So just beware of that. I do love the printer because there is no maintenance. You just need to add the cost of A & B sheets to your sale.
That sounds strange to be honest, I got standard CMYK and W. Why an extended florescent cartridge? And yes I agree, you need to account for the price of the sheets. Which depending on the sheets averages to about $2 and change printed.
How many prints do you find you get out of the extended cartridges?
Question: would it be possible to use dtf film and powder on a white toner printer?
I'm honestly not sure. I don't think the powder would stick to the toner though since the toner comes out dry and is a powder already rather than an ink. Also, id be hesitant to put any paper not meant for a white toner printer on it because of the heat the printer produces when printing. It could potentially cause damage to your printer
I’m curious, there are premium and premium stretch papers for the Uninet iColor. Would those have a better feel and/or durability on part with DTF transfers?
I might get a few of the premium papers to test and compare with the standard. The only downside from my research is that premium sheets need to be run through a laminator before marriage of A+B sheets.
From what I've been told from different people that have used other types of paper, it does help. But it's not worth the crazy price difference. I personally never used them. I can't justify paying for the uninet premium 2 step paper. If you do a test, I'd love to hear your results 😁
@DirkthePanda, did you ever test this out
Does the white toner printer come in bigger sizes like A3? If so how much would it cost? Thank you!
Yes it does! The Uninet iColor 650 prints A3 size. It starts at just under $8,000.
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Can u do a video on how to take the smaller image and make it bigger with several piece. I have a dtf printer but it only goes to 8x11 I want to make bigger images
Definitely will do!
Nice video but I do believe you were a little bias and I could definitely tell from the beginning of the video that you were leaning DTF. With that being said I do like the DTF process but I also have a Oki 9541 and I'm pretty happy with that also. Again nice vid.
Thank you! That's fair, I tried being as unbiased as I could but it's really all based on personal experience and the use I have had. I still use my white toner and I love it. I personally have always been huge on durability which is why I lean for DTF more. Even though I hate the process of making them using a DTG and heatpress lol. With that being said, I still do use my white toner and love the ease of use and zero maintenance. I still recommend it if dtf isn't an option for whatever reason. But as far as having to pick which type of transfer I would go with if I didn't have any machine to print, I'd go with DTF. Thank you so much for watching 😊
@@NekoPrints I appreciate the response but really not needed. I get it, the DTF process in my opinion is better than white toner and this is coming from an Oki9541 owner that loves his printer. I really enjoyed you video and thought it was very informative. My comment was just an observation not a criticism.
Can I use any white toner printer? Or does it have to be that uninet one
For white toner prints you should be able to use any white toner printer as long as you have the correct A and B sheet to print on. I'd double check with the manufacture just in case but most white toner printers I've seen can be used for transfers
thanks
Thanks for watching! 🙏
I'm really not fealling the price on the White toner printer. Seem like using 3g opaque would be just as good. idk. Thanks for the vpost Neko, I"m stll doing my research on both of these options.
The thing about the white toner printer is that it has tons of other uses. I use it for one off shirts all the time as well.
I would have a question about dtf printers (specially epson sc f170/f100), how is these printers about white color when printing on another than white surface (can they at least somehow imitate (by mixing collors for example) white color)?
If it's a Dtf printer, it'd always gonna lay down any colors and then the white on top. So when you press it, the white side is down and the colors up. The printer mixes whatever colors it needs to get the desired print
@@NekoPrints Thank you for your response, it helped me. 👍
Hey Neko what heat press are you using?
Hi! I have the Heat Press Nation Signature Series :)
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What is the b sheet called ?
The paper is the standard uninet paper. The b sheet is simply called the B Sheet or the adhesive
What is the shelf life of a dtf transfer. How long do you have before it won't transfer.
As far as I know they should be good for years. I've seen this question asked around a bit and every answer I've read is they're fine as long as they're stored normally
What printers do you recommend for all-over T-shirt printing?
The easiest way, from my understanding, is by using sublimation. So you would need to find a wide-format sublimation printer or print it in different parts and press them together. Aside from that, I believe the best way is through cut and sew.
So you can use DTG printer to do DTF?
I'm not sure if all models are able to, but my Ricoh RI1000 is able to. I beleive the Epson is also able to
How long do you cure your DTF prints under the heatpress?
I'm still experimenting but this one was 400f for 100 seconds
@@NekoPrints how did it hold up after pressing and washing? Did any edges come up?
@@alinagarrison2221 nope! I just uploaded a wash test on my TikTok 😁
Wondering, since you have a DTG pri ter, why would you ever print DTF and add the extra steps and materials?
Few reasons, actually. For one, you can't DTG print on polyester. So you can print DTF and then press on to poly. You can also sell these transfers. Depending on the material, you could also press DTF onto certain hard surfaces
i like dtg , dtf combination
Me too!
hola , me parece interesante este video , podria traducirlo al español por favor , gracias.
Hola gracias por ver mi video! Si claro, tengo un canal en español. No tengo mucho ahi pero pronto voy a empezar a subir mas.
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I own this machine OKI8432 and do NOT recommend it. It DOES crack even on the first wash or with just a little bit of stretch, even after following ALL of their instructions (using t-seal paper to finish it, don't wash same day you print, wash inside out, no fabric softner etc..). Easy way to know this is do a video printing it and streching it a little, you will see how it will crack every single time. If someone made it work for them great.. what I say to this person is, make a video showing your technique and putting it to the test. Also, if the humidity of the room the machine is in is not super high, like over 60, the print will come with smears/dots/marks etc.. If you are printing white or black, the edges will always have a line around the edges of a different color. Hope this helps someone who is trying to decide to buy it or not, the choice is yours but at least you will see the opinion of someone who uses it a lot.
That's unfortunate, my prints don't crack after the first wash. They definitely wrinkle and wrinkle bad. Kinda like paper but they don't crack. Not until a few washes at least. I usually give it a stretch while it's hot to help with durability. Doesn't help a ton but it helps a bit
@@NekoPrints you cannot use ANY heat when laundering garments with transfers or they will crack into oblivion very quickly. cold wash and air dry on hangers or you will destroy your transfers. hot wash will degrade them but tumble drying destroys them fast!
Another plus for white toner is that it’s toner….. you can also use it for your regular laser printer. Depending on what machine, some let you lay the white first so you can print on dark paper and card stock and other stuff. One model has the option of metallic toner and other specialty toners. I wouldn’t use it to print long reports (the toner is pricey) but for Christmas and birthday cards you’re golden.
Yup that's totally true! In this video I didn't mention that because this is a transfer comparison not necessarily a printer comparison, but those facts I do have mentioned in my white toner video!
Is laser transfer paper dtf?
No it's not. I think the powder used on the sheets is different.
Any updates? I’m still trying to decide
No updates. I prefer Dtf still 😁
@@NekoPrints any updates as in last longer, color vibrancy. I def want maintenance free. But they are so expensive 😵💫
@@ynellirosas DTF still reigns Supreme! There's a few ways to get white toner to last longer, but hoenstly Dtf so far has proved to be better in feel and long lasting. Colors haven't faded either
So on TikTok, I always see these small business selling transfers. They have 1000's of transfers in their office. They can't be printing all of these? Are they just wholesale buying them?
If it's their own design, then they could be buying in bulk. Personally if I have a few designs of my own that sell tons, I'd be buying transfers and reselling them rather than printing them myself. It saves a lot of time. If they're doing custom then they could have the bigger machines. If you have a dedicated crafting room you can fit a printer with the shaker to cure the prints. But you just need to have the order volume.
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on the white toner press you did use any cover sheet. Was that intentional or did you forget the cover sheet?
Depending on the kind of transfer, I apply direct heat. The second press however I always use a cover.
I AM GETTING ORDERS BUT NOT SURE WHAT TO WHICH TO NOW. I LIKE DTF BUT YOU JUST MADE ME THINK LIKE OH NO LOL. HELP A FRIEND?
Lol sorry! What about Dtf made you rethink it?
So just by dtf transfers from tko????
You can, but TKO offers screen printed transfers, not DTF. Depending on what you need, you would need to get larger quantities to get your money's worth. You can get DTF transfers on etsy or a few other online retailers. Sometimes with no minimum. I'll be adding them eventually to my website as well.
@@NekoPrints so what’s the difference in dtf and screen
What’s softer and last longer ?
Screen print transfers are done using a screen, squeegee, and ink. While Dtf prints are done using an actual DTF printer. Both last a REALLY long time and both feel excellent on a shirt. It really all depends on what you need for a particular job. In some cases Dtf transfers might be more cost efficient, in another Dtf could be better for smaller run full color prints.
@@NekoPrints TKo is a toner transfer (excluding white) with a screened white underbase - waterbased ink with hot melt powder - enables adhesion to a variety of surfaces - The process can also use plastisol transfer inks without hotmelt powder for T-shirt and like fabrics application..
The tensile strength of the actual transfer without the backing- Toner is superior to inkjet.
The speed (cost per print x time) - TonerTransfer process (hybrid) is superior to DTF in speed and so cost less..
The feel - Well, how do folks feel about the hand of TKo transfers?
All this to say - The B sheet technology of Toner transfers is the wall that must be overcome for a superior full color transfer process, that only a few have the privilege of getting over. - The issue is not the printer but the turnkey, business opportunity process, available to entry level printers with underwhelming innovation applied but enough for a viable niche market..
TKo base printer setup is about $360,000 (but that’s hundreds of prints per hour) you can get into the process for about $6-$8G excluding a conveyor dryer and the toner printer..
I bought an HP with white Ghost toner and I don't recommend it at all, the whites are a bit transparent and look muddy, I cannot get them to be white. The durability after washes is very poor and the plasticky touch is not good at all. I planned to sell t shirts but the quality was so poor I didn't even tried it
I actually opted out of the ghost white because it's not necessarily a dedicated printer for white toner. I read a lot of negative reviews. From the research I did, a dedicated one like the oki or the uninet is better. Still not the best quality. But the whites are pretty solid. But yeah, durability sucks regardless
@@NekoPrints Yes, an OKI is much superior because it is thought to be used with white toner, not something you add later
For those of you wondering for garment decoration, dtf is the way to go..if you have a heat press, just buy transfers. Easy call. White toner on garments is the worst option.
DTF is definitely the better option of the 2. But I feel white toner still has its place. I find use in it a lot when I get those last minute shirts for a kids birthday party or something like that.
Unless you're a fairly big shop it's way better to Outsource your DTF to a big manufacturer and let them have all the headache that is what I do after calculating all the costs of the printer and the headache it was way cheaper to Outsource
I agree 100% which is why I made a video talking about how much I regret getting my DTG printer. Both are best outsourced. Well, dtg at this point I feel is useless with so many other viable options
I have tht same image lol
Lol I think I got it off etsy some time ago
why does everyone keep calling basically adding halftone or literal hole rasterisation? Rasterisation is converting a vector image which you would have in illustrator to a bitmap image like a jpg or image. This has nothing to do with making the image look lo-fidelity.. Oh wow, look, a better word for it. Use that instead of rasterisation. You don't even need to rasterise it to make it look like that.
Because that's the term that was taught to us by the companies. I knew that was what rasterization meant, but figured the word had multiple meanings. Honestly, at this point, that term has been coined so it's not going anywhere
No need to cut the edges off DTF print.
Gotcha! Thanks for the input! :)
both methods are mess
A mess? I like Dtf I just don't like printing them
@@NekoPrints well, dark print no cut takes the "A" and "B" paper and the dtf takes the "plastic powder" that is what i call mess or if you prefer tricky
great video a+b sheets plus toner is a rip off.
Thanks! While I do find it more expensive than I'd like it to be, ultimately it does have it's place and it's uses.
I have printed DTF but after first wash it started to wrinkle like this drive.google.com/file/d/10nlp0W6bLOxxk84jpLyeVikfgCNucDL8/view?usp=drivesdk
Have you tried applying more pressure? Or a different DTF print?