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You can't "turn it into socionics" cause the interpretation of the functions are different, and you can see that in this video, almost all Arcane characters are mistyped if you use mbti interpretation, Silco is not an ISTP, is an INTJ, Vi is not an ESFP, is an ESTP, Cait is definitely not a Te dom.
@@caniandi INTJ LSI makes perfect sense mate. The interpretations are not different, it would literally break any logic, they are literally all derived from the same source, you cannot type someone INTJ and then think this works with a completely different set of functions that don't even overlap. You're likely talking about your interpretation of MBTI as per the general community at large, basically tumblr explanations and stereotypes
@@Just_Rusted You didn't get what I meant, the "interpretation of the functions" are quite different, not the set of functions, one of the best examples is the function Fe, what for socionics is Fe for MBTI isn't, that one is the most affected but happen with all the functions, that's why most of your arcane typing differs from an mbti perspective, and no, I'm not basing in steriotypes or any of that, by the same logic I can say the same of you mate, is not my interpretation, is mbti function interpretation that differs from Socionics, the function order is of course the same. Socionics is superior to classic mbti, but is not superior to modern mbti, which also gives an explanation to what you would call "shadow functions", and in the abssence of scientific corroboration from both sides we should just support the theory that we think is the most accurate until one day we can verify it by the scientific method, until that any of us can't know for sure which one is wrong, so let people choose the theory that they find more accurate instead of masking your theory with another.
@ I feel like it’s almost impossible to create an interesting plot with an IEI character. Their functions are so specific and strange that it feels less likely that you would naturally write a character that’s closest to being IEI. As a writer youre better off making a character that’s something else. That’s just my theory though
Thanks bro, you are right about the effort, i have spent 3 days working on it, certainly the most ambitious video project i worked on but i felt it paid off.
Another awesome in-depth description of the 16 personalities! Would you be able to expand on some differences that someone could tell between INFP and INFJ in this system? It's definitely one of the most confusing pairs of look-alike personalities imo
INFP is oriented first and foremost with it's own personal attitudes, that defines their whole world view and they way the view relationships and people, this is someone who is driven by his own values, sentiments, who they like and hate, they are very judgemental of peoples character etc, they're also much more rigid as individuals, there is more rigidity when it comes to lack of adaptability that is not present much with INFJ, INFPs are people who adapt to the emotions of the enviroment, they don't want to disrupt it, compare this to the INFJ, it's different, the INFJ will impose it's influence on the enviroment without any issues whtasoever. INFJ might know how they feel about people, who they like, how to get close to others but this is not their main focus, this is a person who is oriented on imposing it's emotions on others, influencing others, much more adaptable, more abstract and much more detached from the sentimental INFP.
Your effort in this endeavour I really appreciate Rust, I applaud your exploration into the topic. For INFP’s out there, I would advise closing your eyes from where INFJ examples start until when INFP examples end. Some of the words both positive and negative has some insightful gems, but unfortunately visual examples will be unfortunately unexpected in INFJ and typically disappointing in INFP. I would advise remembering real life INFP examples as pointed by but official mbti organisation, as well as sites like objective personality in this case. Examples of us are one of the only scenarios where reality is preferable to fiction.
I love your descriptions of the types!! but I have to disagree with a few of these typings (mainly Caitlyn Kiramman and Luna Lovegood among others). Caitlyn strikes me more as an ixxj - an introspective individual with ideals concerning group harmony and group systems leading with a perceiving function that allows them to dissect information and build plans that serve their goals. She is a highly strategic detective with a big heart that leads her to ideals of harmonizing Piltover and Zaun while understanding a need for structure and systemization. The death of her mother (the estj imo) drives her down into her inferior functions and we see a rigid and cold Caitlyn, unlike the sympathetic, warm side we saw in S1 giving up her only form of protection (rifle) to help an injured Vi. And Luna Lovegood just screams dreamy infp with her head in the clouds, getting distracted with her Ne ideas. Her Fi clearly carries intellectual weight hence her Ravenclaw placement and her helping Harry solve riddles, supporting their fight against Dumbledore’s army, etc.
That is kinda the issue with MBTI sadly, it's mostly stereotyping, she is a clear LSE SP1 in Socionics. You have to look at her personality this, she is a person dedicated to a sense of righteousness and doing the right thing, adhering to systems and enforcing the law and rules, trying to do things by the book, she is someone who is oriented to changing and impacting her external world to fit what she believes to be correct, this is Extraverted Thinking Dominance, a personality oriented towards laws, order, rules and objective principles that judges the world the same exact way, wanting to impact and conform the world towards it's believed "should be's" Ne is not about being distracted with ideas, Ne dominant types are more grounded than high Ni types.
@ I agree w you that she has an organized way of doing things (J)- of thinking and of talking - but Caitlyn shows more feeling than an LSE or an ESTJ. She is quite practical and orderly but she has a sense of faith in people. She shows that very strongly in S1. Also, when she plans and investigates things, she reverts to an introverted way of doing things; she goes into spaces to see them herself or she researches intensely and alone instead of relying on the people/systems around her. She wants to be a part of the system to make change and to symbolize goodness. She’s not as adept at utilizing a system as an estj or an LSE. She doesn’t even totally see her self as fitting in as a kid in S1(jayce: then why are you out here? Caitlyn: “I’m a misfit too I suppose”). And mbti is not simply a stereotyping system. If you use socionics more, then you may be better at typing that way. MBTI has its own system and definitions - just like any other system, you have to learn how to use it and to discern what would constitute a stereotype versus what would accurately describe an individual without simplifying or flattening them. Sure there are A LOT of people that use stereotypes with mbti - especially now bc it’s more trendy! As with any system, it’s about how effectively you use and understand it.
@@Just_Rusted is she really oriented towards oriented towards laws and rules tho? From the beginning on shes constantly shown to break them, leaving her post, partacing in investigations she wasnt assigned to, forging a signature to get a criminal out. I agree with the changing and impacting her external world to fit what she believes to be correct part, but she doesnt strike me as somebody doing things by the book in the slightest
Tony Soprano is basically me as a protagonist. Not surprised you typed him ESTP. He’s always getting typed ENTJ like I am by the MBTI crowd because he’s very matter of fact and goal oriented. Some of his kills on the show really didn’t seem like the smartest decisions to make due to future consequences he wasn’t thinking about. Plus I’d say his therapy sessions definitely seemed like a conflictor relationship
Knowing the personality-database stereotype typings of Arcane characters made watching this video a wild experience (I especially agree with Vi's ESFP typing)
Good video, just wanted to let you know that the copy paste for the Socionics type videos in your descriptions links the ESI video next to the LSE tag and doesn't link the LSE video anywhere.
Offers an overview... There are many doubts about certain characters, but I discuss ENTP more by taking the case of Dr. House. Personally, House demonstrates an ENTP simaggeration during interaction that may still inhibit his most likely type (INTP) downplayed by the MBTI community in fiction. Let's concentrate on resolving patient cases. There's a real allusion to Sherlock in the way he evaluates pathologies and illnesses by differential diagnosis. Although he can propose multiple hypotheses (Ne) based on the patient's symptoms (Si). He does not deviate from the solving process, since the enigma is posed, its solution accompanied by a sequence formed by (Ti). What we perceive is House's extroverted function (Ne), which is passable but not primary. (Ti) that which is camouflaged for the untrained eye is also House's defining quality in the medical profession. Without being in the presence of the patient, House's Ti > Ne > Si > Fe gears work to subject accuracy to causation by elimination. And once resolved, the weakness of (Fe) is highly perceptible. Which might lead to this question: What happens once the relational element "pathology" is no longer there in a doctor-patient relationship ? Why does the series work best by seeking to break the stereotype of the benevolent, communicative doctor through cynicism, coldness, hurtful honesty and non-commitment ?
I just have this one question for you, do you believe and do you percieve House to be rigid, structured, methodical person in his approach to the world and logic because that is what Ti dominance does to someone.
@Just_Rusted While reading you, I notice the definition of Ti in socionics more than that presented by the work of Jung and its sequels by Myers Briggs. This is the reason why you may find objection on the same topic, but you are talking about MBTI this time.
Myers work and Aushras are both derived from the same source, Jung, an INTP in MBTI is going to be an LII in socionics, those are the same exact cognitive functions.
@@Just_Rusted You know part of the story, and it's said that Aushra reworked his model after reading Jung's typology and its variants. Through his perception, we discovered the other facets of the 8 functions, which may sometimes not have been echoed in the 16 types. Compared to the simpler MBTI model, more Aushra explored, more complex the definitions became and the further they diverged from the classic model. Uh, Jung never explicitly did his own typing... Why ? But I can see him exploiting Ti in a positive way. That said, for you a Ti dom user of Jung's caliber would be likely, for example to have blind dogmatic thinking of Freud's opposing view in related work.
I watched this video to see how you would categorize Jynx, but I only saw her in the background while you were presenting another character as a particular type.
Hey bro So I purposefully got myself kicked out of the discord xD (I despise discord tbh, no hard feelings) But I really fw your work. Keep it up man. You have my full support. Also, amazing vid again,you simply don't miss.
Pretty obvious LIE in Socionics, FeSi superego af, a social idealist that wants to improve the well being and life of other people with idealistic plans of the future.
If we re talkin about SCS Jayce suits LIE far way better than ILE. Tbh, i think So7 is better related with LIE than ILE. If u look at the social normative block, He s very Fe+Si+ coded...way more than he could be Se+Fi+. Also could a character so obsessed about timing, bringing an efficient solution as soon as possible, being Ni ignoring? If u also look at his pragmatism , which is the way he solve his superego problems, Te>Ne all the day.
I can't see ESI on Jinx at all, she looks very IEE to me, she is impulsive af and her emotions are also impulsive, i think ESI is just correlation typing.
YES! I completely agree. I have my doubts between SX4 and SX7, but as for socionics I was sure she was IEE. Her Fe is too strong to be Ignoring, and it is also too chaotic/unstable to be EIE (many people think she is this sociotype).
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where is silco on intj?
@@0Havianas The INTJ is Viktor, not Silco
Subtly trying to turn MBTI into socionics instead of trying to make people move from MBTI to socionics is kind of brilliant ngl.
They will see the error of their ways
You can't "turn it into socionics" cause the interpretation of the functions are different, and you can see that in this video, almost all Arcane characters are mistyped if you use mbti interpretation, Silco is not an ISTP, is an INTJ, Vi is not an ESFP, is an ESTP, Cait is definitely not a Te dom.
@@caniandi INTJ LSI makes perfect sense mate.
The interpretations are not different, it would literally break any logic, they are literally all derived from the same source, you cannot type someone INTJ and then think this works with a completely different set of functions that don't even overlap.
You're likely talking about your interpretation of MBTI as per the general community at large, basically tumblr explanations and stereotypes
@@Just_Rusted You didn't get what I meant, the "interpretation of the functions" are quite different, not the set of functions, one of the best examples is the function Fe, what for socionics is Fe for MBTI isn't, that one is the most affected but happen with all the functions, that's why most of your arcane typing differs from an mbti perspective, and no, I'm not basing in steriotypes or any of that, by the same logic I can say the same of you mate, is not my interpretation, is mbti function interpretation that differs from Socionics, the function order is of course the same.
Socionics is superior to classic mbti, but is not superior to modern mbti, which also gives an explanation to what you would call "shadow functions", and in the abssence of scientific corroboration from both sides we should just support the theory that we think is the most accurate until one day we can verify it by the scientific method, until that any of us can't know for sure which one is wrong, so let people choose the theory that they find more accurate instead of masking your theory with another.
Everyone thinks they like INTJs until they try and talk to one.
Literally lol
Trying to mask socionics with the mbti skin is brilliant. Honestly keep doing this. Game is game
Love the way you formatted this video. I wish there were more solid INFJ characters lmao
Thanks bro, yeah honestly they're kinda hard to find for me
@ I feel like it’s almost impossible to create an interesting plot with an IEI character. Their functions are so specific and strange that it feels less likely that you would naturally write a character that’s closest to being IEI. As a writer youre better off making a character that’s something else. That’s just my theory though
Rust, I appreciate your correction of misinformation in a clear, concise and understandable way.
Thanks bro
Everything I wanted to say about this video has been said in the comments below. Great work, as always!
Appreciate it!
So based, the effort that was put into this video is remarkable, much support to you and your channel, Rust
Thanks bro, you are right about the effort, i have spent 3 days working on it, certainly the most ambitious video project i worked on but i felt it paid off.
Another awesome in-depth description of the 16 personalities! Would you be able to expand on some differences that someone could tell between INFP and INFJ in this system? It's definitely one of the most confusing pairs of look-alike personalities imo
INFP is oriented first and foremost with it's own personal attitudes, that defines their whole world view and they way the view relationships and people, this is someone who is driven by his own values, sentiments, who they like and hate, they are very judgemental of peoples character etc, they're also much more rigid as individuals, there is more rigidity when it comes to lack of adaptability that is not present much with INFJ, INFPs are people who adapt to the emotions of the enviroment, they don't want to disrupt it, compare this to the INFJ, it's different, the INFJ will impose it's influence on the enviroment without any issues whtasoever.
INFJ might know how they feel about people, who they like, how to get close to others but this is not their main focus, this is a person who is oriented on imposing it's emotions on others, influencing others, much more adaptable, more abstract and much more detached from the sentimental INFP.
basically: an INFP is someone who is more focused on their own feelings, and an INFJ is focused on the feelings of those around them
great video, man 🙏 really enjoying this format! i could only hope to see something like this from you with socionics ITRs
Your effort in this endeavour I really appreciate Rust, I applaud your exploration into the topic.
For INFP’s out there, I would advise closing your eyes from where INFJ examples start until when INFP examples end. Some of the words both positive and negative has some insightful gems, but unfortunately visual examples will be unfortunately unexpected in INFJ and typically disappointing in INFP. I would advise remembering real life INFP examples as pointed by but official mbti organisation, as well as sites like objective personality in this case. Examples of us are one of the only scenarios where reality is preferable to fiction.
Thanks. ENTJ was spot on.
Love this ❤
Thank you
Great vid man, honestly if anyone I know is curious about typology, I'll send them to this video
Thanks bro means a lot
Great video Bro, honestly you should do a video on conflictor relationships
Seen people talk about that lol
I love your descriptions of the types!! but I have to disagree with a few of these typings (mainly Caitlyn Kiramman and Luna Lovegood among others).
Caitlyn strikes me more as an ixxj - an introspective individual with ideals concerning group harmony and group systems leading with a perceiving function that allows them to dissect information and build plans that serve their goals. She is a highly strategic detective with a big heart that leads her to ideals of harmonizing Piltover and Zaun while understanding a need for structure and systemization. The death of her mother (the estj imo) drives her down into her inferior functions and we see a rigid and cold Caitlyn, unlike the sympathetic, warm side we saw in S1 giving up her only form of protection (rifle) to help an injured Vi.
And Luna Lovegood just screams dreamy infp with her head in the clouds, getting distracted with her Ne ideas. Her Fi clearly carries intellectual weight hence her Ravenclaw placement and her helping Harry solve riddles, supporting their fight against Dumbledore’s army, etc.
That is kinda the issue with MBTI sadly, it's mostly stereotyping, she is a clear LSE SP1 in Socionics.
You have to look at her personality this, she is a person dedicated to a sense of righteousness and doing the right thing, adhering to systems and enforcing the law and rules, trying to do things by the book, she is someone who is oriented to changing and impacting her external world to fit what she believes to be correct, this is Extraverted Thinking Dominance, a personality oriented towards laws, order, rules and objective principles that judges the world the same exact way, wanting to impact and conform the world towards it's believed "should be's"
Ne is not about being distracted with ideas, Ne dominant types are more grounded than high Ni types.
@ I agree w you that she has an organized way of doing things (J)- of thinking and of talking - but Caitlyn shows more feeling than an LSE or an ESTJ. She is quite practical and orderly but she has a sense of faith in people. She shows that very strongly in S1. Also, when she plans and investigates things, she reverts to an introverted way of doing things; she goes into spaces to see them herself or she researches intensely and alone instead of relying on the people/systems around her. She wants to be a part of the system to make change and to symbolize goodness. She’s not as adept at utilizing a system as an estj or an LSE. She doesn’t even totally see her self as fitting in as a kid in S1(jayce: then why are you out here? Caitlyn: “I’m a misfit too I suppose”).
And mbti is not simply a stereotyping system. If you use socionics more, then you may be better at typing that way. MBTI has its own system and definitions - just like any other system, you have to learn how to use it and to discern what would constitute a stereotype versus what would accurately describe an individual without simplifying or flattening them. Sure there are A LOT of people that use stereotypes with mbti - especially now bc it’s more trendy! As with any system, it’s about how effectively you use and understand it.
@@Just_Rusted is she really oriented towards oriented towards laws and rules tho? From the beginning on shes constantly shown to break them, leaving her post, partacing in investigations she wasnt assigned to, forging a signature to get a criminal out. I agree with the changing and impacting her external world to fit what she believes to be correct part, but she doesnt strike me as somebody doing things by the book in the slightest
That INFj (infp) description so accurate I felt just a bit attacked haha
Sweet and to the point. Great stuff.
Thanks bro
Tony Soprano is basically me as a protagonist. Not surprised you typed him ESTP. He’s always getting typed ENTJ like I am by the MBTI crowd because he’s very matter of fact and goal oriented. Some of his kills on the show really didn’t seem like the smartest decisions to make due to future consequences he wasn’t thinking about. Plus I’d say his therapy sessions definitely seemed like a conflictor relationship
Lol. Tony is literally you. Obesity, infidelity, murder, and all.
@ That’s Ne role. Looking at internal content before all else
People have a very weird perception of ENTJ ngl
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Lmao
Knowing the personality-database stereotype typings of Arcane characters made watching this video a wild experience (I especially agree with Vi's ESFP typing)
Good video, just wanted to let you know that the copy paste for the Socionics type videos in your descriptions links the ESI video next to the LSE tag and doesn't link the LSE video anywhere.
Thanks for the heads up, i will fix it
ESTP always get best characters ong
It was easy making it with the ESTPs lmao
notice how ENFPs are never villains but anti-heroes
it's the 4V in us
Perhaps is autism
Youre not capable of becoming a villain
Yall wilding
@@Just_Rusted protect me 1V user
@@natsimi8984 I have to agree. I cant imagine an infp as well. I mean kinda, but they will fail at it, like doofenshmirtz
Offers an overview... There are many doubts about certain characters, but I discuss ENTP more by taking the case of Dr. House.
Personally, House demonstrates an ENTP simaggeration during interaction that may still inhibit his most likely type (INTP) downplayed by the MBTI community in fiction.
Let's concentrate on resolving patient cases. There's a real allusion to Sherlock in the way he evaluates pathologies and illnesses by differential diagnosis.
Although he can propose multiple hypotheses (Ne) based on the patient's symptoms (Si). He does not deviate from the solving process, since the enigma is posed, its solution accompanied by a sequence formed by (Ti). What we perceive is House's extroverted function (Ne), which is passable but not primary. (Ti) that which is camouflaged for the untrained eye is also House's defining quality in the medical profession.
Without being in the presence of the patient, House's Ti > Ne > Si > Fe gears work to subject accuracy to causation by elimination. And once resolved, the weakness of (Fe) is highly perceptible. Which might lead to this question: What happens once the relational element "pathology" is no longer there in a doctor-patient relationship ?
Why does the series work best by seeking to break the stereotype of the benevolent, communicative doctor through cynicism, coldness, hurtful honesty and non-commitment ?
I just have this one question for you, do you believe and do you percieve House to be rigid, structured, methodical person in his approach to the world and logic because that is what Ti dominance does to someone.
@Just_Rusted While reading you, I notice the definition of Ti in socionics more than that presented by the work of Jung and its sequels by Myers Briggs. This is the reason why you may find objection on the same topic, but you are talking about MBTI this time.
Myers work and Aushras are both derived from the same source, Jung, an INTP in MBTI is going to be an LII in socionics, those are the same exact cognitive functions.
@@Just_Rusted You know part of the story, and it's said that Aushra reworked his model after reading Jung's typology and its variants. Through his perception, we discovered the other facets of the 8 functions, which may sometimes not have been echoed in the 16 types.
Compared to the simpler MBTI model, more Aushra explored, more complex the definitions became and the further they diverged from the classic model.
Uh, Jung never explicitly did his own typing... Why ? But I can see him exploiting Ti in a positive way.
That said, for you a Ti dom user of Jung's caliber would be likely, for example to have blind dogmatic thinking of Freud's opposing view in related work.
A proper welcome to the world of MBTI, gg rust
Cheers man
I watched this video to see how you would categorize Jynx, but I only saw her in the background while you were presenting another character as a particular type.
W content
Cheers
im curious, why do you think house is an ENTp? What do you think his enneatype is?
Hey bro
So I purposefully got myself kicked out of the discord xD (I despise discord tbh, no hard feelings)
But I really fw your work. Keep it up man. You have my full support. Also, amazing vid again,you simply don't miss.
Tbh, I don't really see Jayce as ENXJ imo
Pretty obvious LIE in Socionics, FeSi superego af, a social idealist that wants to improve the well being and life of other people with idealistic plans of the future.
agree, he's an ILE
Eh.. I could see ILE or LIE tbh
If we re talkin about SCS Jayce suits LIE far way better than ILE. Tbh, i think So7 is better related with LIE than ILE.
If u look at the social normative block, He s very Fe+Si+ coded...way more than he could be Se+Fi+.
Also could a character so obsessed about timing, bringing an efficient solution as soon as possible, being Ni ignoring? If u also look at his pragmatism , which is the way he solve his superego problems, Te>Ne all the day.
I see some good arguments for LIE and yeah, he's definitely So7
Very nice 🔥
Thanks bro
I know you to be strict on correlations, so which side do you fall on when typing Jinx: ISFP SX4 ESI or ENFP SX7 IEE?
I can't see ESI on Jinx at all, she looks very IEE to me, she is impulsive af and her emotions are also impulsive, i think ESI is just correlation typing.
YES! I completely agree. I have my doubts between SX4 and SX7, but as for socionics I was sure she was IEE. Her Fe is too strong to be Ignoring, and it is also too chaotic/unstable to be EIE (many people think she is this sociotype).
EIE Jinx is wild, it's probably only a take in WSS, she is very emotivist and irrational type
I see a Rust video, I click
Cheers bro
Btw, are there any good web resources where I can learn about Socionics?
augustaproject.wordpress.com/esi-description/
classicsocionics.wordpress.com/
@@Just_Rusted thx
Thoughts on ekko's py, socionics, and ennagream subtype? Isnt it difficult to type someone based on such short amount of screen time?
SO7 ILE
Hey rust, what would you type Rhaenyra Targaryen in Socionics?
She was so hard to type for me, but if i was forced to say she has a type, it would have to be SEE probably
ENFJ 2w3-SO/SP-285 VELF EIE-D. How to be sure that I am this type?
Jayce Talis is NOT a Te-dom
LIE SO7
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I am cold
Second
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Get a job Iman
@@Sol_Invictus77 guess you're going to freeze
@@azybes6510are you fucking blind ?
Did you say ISTP are TACTFULL? 🥴
Mike is ISTP :(
If you type by letters then yes if by functions then no
Not oliver quick ;-;
Why not?
i thought he was ILI covert narcissist.. i just don’t wanna be grouped in with him but i agree his Fe is strong unfortunately
Wdyt of Aemond Targaryen's type?
SLE SP8 probably
@Just_Rusted I thought he was LSI SX6. Where did you see Lust in him?
@@Just_Rusted I thought he was LSI SX6. Where did you see Lust in him?
ESTP or ENTJ for Andrew Tate?
ENTP
Why isn't Elliot alderson an intp
INTP by letter dichotomies, but seems pretty clearly Ni-Te ego or ILI by functions, and therefore “INTJ”
He would only ever seem INTP by letter typing like covet said, he is not Ti dominant
Isnt geto an intj?
Yes