@@jb76489 sweden is a small country therfore they are much less likely to get orders because they just cant produce as many planes as the us. sweden still make some of the best military equipment in the world escpecially auto loading systems, atgm systems and IFVs. the cv90 is the best ifv platform in the world and the most versatile. swedes are definitely good engineers.
The F-16 are old jets (1970’s technology) and Lockheed’ Martin just wants to sell their old junk, so as to keep their assembly lines open! Buy the Gripens NOTcF-16.!
F-16 is available in huge numbers both in terms of training, spare parts and just volume. F-16 can also use AGM-88 HARM effectively, while JAS-39 is not compatible with it at all. JAS-39 is absolutely not the right tool for this job.
Beautimous. The great advantage of the Gripen is that it can take off and land just about anywhere, so the enemy never knows where it's coming from or when it will appear. Speaking as a retired aerospace engineer, I would love to have been sitting with the design team when they settled on the canard configuration. Great nations do not negotiate with terrorists.
That's why it is liked by nations that don't have the support like NATO or the US has. Nations that can't have permanent bases everywhere defended from all possible threats. Many nations need a Jet that works even if your airbases taking hits, and the F-16 does a poor job at that.
NATO does also, British motorways all have long straight stretches with no bridges usually near services that can quickly be turned into airstrips that was designed in from the off.
The airplane was designed with a potential ruZZian invasion in mind, when the normal runways are targets of missile attack. It is the perfect plane for Ukraine but there are a very few built. There are thousands F-16's
True! America has a snobby attitude..if it ain’t made in America, it ain’t no good! Saab should be used by US navy and Air Force as trainers and air national guard!
@@dadwire1483 it astonishes me how incorrect people are. Also the new T-7A is a Saab and Boeing cooperation built as a new advanced pilot training system meant to replace their current fleet.
But I worried, quite a lot if not even more, that the BIble = the World of God tells us, that Ukraine will join forces with the Russia!/. Yes! They will, so I don't want, that Russia get the Technology of Swedish SAAB Gripens to Their selves!/. Nope! No sir!
I had a really interesting chat with their ground team at RIAT 24 as they demo’ed reloading the Meteor missile in 2 minutes. The turnaround between missions is 20 minutes, run by a technician and 4 conscripts: reload, refuel and launch. Perfect for Ukraine!
Germany should order 100 of them and lease also some to Ukraine. As counter business Sweden could order 500 German tanks. We in Germany need an airplane that can be used on roads and which is easy to maintain. We have too much high-tech and no practical things, as usual.
Why should Germany get a jet that is worse than their own Eurofighter? All Western fighter jets can be used from roads. Sweden has no need for 500 tanks.
@@johanlassen6448There’s a difference in the occasional take off or landing on a highway stretch that has been carefully cleaned and prepared to using disperse roadbases and highways with small, portable service and armament teams as tactics. Try that with a EF or F16. They weren’t designed to be ”guerilla jets”.
I very much hope, that Ukraine gets 12-14 Gripen. This was what I said from the beginning of this war, that this plane is ideal for Ukraine.. it can use roads, it can rearm quickly, it is strong in electronic warfare. And probably it´s strong electronic warfare is the reason why it did not go to Ukraine until today - Sweden did not want that Russians can find out too many details about it.
Also crucial, it's STOL capacity of course, and the ability to take off from highways. And well, the Swedes sell it as the ultimate "MiG killer", so that too might help. While hoping it also loves to "eat" Sukhoi et al.
If we'd ordered Gripens for Ukraine back in 2022, when Phase II of the 2014 Russo-Ukrainian War kicked off, Ukraine would have had its own fighter jets flying for a year already. Instead we're waiting for the war to end before we send the F-16s in.
@@WilliamMagnusson-cb5qv Getting parts for the Gripen isn't really an issue. A lot is NATO standard. But yes, it's not like there are tens or hundreds of unused hulls to service and ship off. But for aircraft, I believe the situation will be similar to other equipment: soon, the stockpiles of old junk will dwindle and Ukraine's allies will need to buy brand new. And just like Denmark and others are ordering brand new CV90's for Ukraine, others will at some point need to send factory-fresh aircraft. It would be most reasonable for that to be the Gripen.
@@WilliamMagnusson-cb5qv true but the gripen is more capable on mobility of bases being able to use normal roads without the need for massive hardened runways that will be quickly targeted by the rf
If you factor in mission needs, losses , accidents and maintenance Ukraine would need at least 40 JAS-39 theres barely 300 JAS-39 built Ukraine needs the AGM-88s for hunting SAMs and Jammers, the JAS-39 is not equipped to use the AGM-88s The F-16 can use CBU-87/89/97 cluster munitions. As Sweden is party to Convention on Cluster Munitions (CCM), they wouldnt be able to integrate those weapons Remember, Ukraine use cluster munitions have inflicted serious damage on Russian forces. 6 ATACMS with cluster payloads wiped out nearly 20 Russian helps As far as industrial capability goes Lockheed can integrate French , Germany, UK Israel and other weapons to the F-16 faster than SAAB can to the JAS-39 For the future Yes absolutely 60-100 JAS-39E/F , however for right now, its the F-16
More front-line countries, countries that border Russia, where all of their airfields are within FPV drone range of Russia, should be buying Gripen. Easier to fly from highways. Easier to train ground crew. And cheaper, so they can buy more.
The major problem is that this plane integrates too many elements from foreign countries with the multiplication of related potential industrial risks.
No NATO "game" has ever shown the JAS-39 to be superior. The things you are thinking of literally never happened, it is a myth peddled by a Stefan Englund who is just a SAAB fanboy. He was never at any of these exercises. Real results from actual evaluations done by airforces like Finland, Switzerland and Czech Republic show the reality.
Ukraine is going to have one of the strongest air forces this way...if all the nato countries donate their planes to them they will have multiple types to fly.
what? the c has 7 pylons lmao. the e has 10. it doesnt have any internal storage so to call it poor is just ignorant haha. russian bot gonna bot i guess. good luck facing the nordic air force with half your stockpiles being gone due to corruption hahahah // you do know the only reason for internal storage is reduced radar signature right? im guessing you dont since you are a farmer boy from russian countryland without education. glhf!
Never heard of an aircraft, military or otherwise, with 'weapons pilons' - are you perhaps thinking of weaponized pilots? As for internal stores, they are - internal, and by definition hidden from sight .. But that's not really what your comment's actually about, is it? You just want to poo poo on the aircraft for one reason or another. Well, that's your prerogative - but to be brutally honest, your poo does come through as rather mediocre. Why don't you have another go at it..? ;)
True but the critical fact is that isnt enough for a sustained conflict if you factor in mission needs, losses , accidents and maintenance Ukraine would need 40-60 planes, There are only 300 JAS-39s built With the F-16 there are over 4600 built Enough for Ukraine needs right now For the future, yes buy JAS-39E/F but for now its F-16
@jjsmallpiece9234 Yes _but_ it's designed to land and relaunch from ordinary roads anywhere--so no need to return to the place it came from--and its ground crews train to refuel, add fresh lubricants, and re-arm it _with the engine running, in less than 10 minutes._ That's for everything. They aim for a _seven_ minute turnaround. So it can be back in the air, and the fight, with fresh weapons, very quickly indeed. You've got to admire the Swedes' fighting abilities! 😊
@@jjsmallpiece9234 Which laws of physics/aero exactly? T/W? Lift? There isn't a 1:1 relationship between installed thrust and weight carrying capability. Besides, with precision guided weapons you don't need to hang B-52 quantities of dumb bombs or whatever. We aren't talking about doing a Sandy mission with a Skyraider loitering for hours dropping napalm and shooting WP rockets at everything that moves.
Fighter jets are not only acquisition cost, these machines costs thousands of dollars per flight hour (maintenance and fuel), and if Ukraine wants their machines to keep flying they will still have to pay the operational cost, even if the acquisition cost was zero. The Gripen is said to be cost effective in the sense that it only costs $4700 per hour to fly. For comparison, F-16 is $7000 per hour, F-35 is $21000.
And winning against f16 every year in Alaska Red Flag. 5-0, 5-0, 5-0 and 5-1 for Gripen. Also way less problems then f-16. Changing engine in 45 min. Refuel and weapons in 15min. Can carry Meteor. Best possible combat system. Can keep on this list forever while you can't specify nothing but a oneliner.
They would. NATO’s entire development philosophy for fighter jets was to counter Soviet/Russian designs, and since the SU57 and designs like it are mostly farce it has a good shot.
Russian jets? LOL. Gripen is small/harder to detect, has advanced EW, excellent radar, excellent datalink, excellent cockpit, and is scary dangerous when hanging Meteor AAMs. Russian SAMs are another story.
The Russian jets and especially the pilot skill we have seen in Ukraine does not paint a very good picture for their quality now do they?!? I'm highly confident these Jets would be more than a match for Russia if push come to shove.
The Gripen is far superior to anything Ukraine has now. If their old SU-27's and MiG-29's have survived for two years, a Gripen fleet shouldn't have any issues either. It has better weapons, better sensors, is more maneuverable and more versatile in general. This war is pretty much exactly what the Swedish materiel administration foresaw when they ordered the development of the plane.
It might be easy to TRANSITION to by already proficient fighter pilots, but that doesn't mean that it's EASY to fly... And it's a LOT better than the F-16 for what the Ukraine needs. It can fly off of almost any flat surface. The F-16 needs a swept, impeccable runway to not get FODded up and blow up an engine. PLUS it fires the Meteor BVR and IRIS-T magic trick that comes back and back again... I mean.... What else do you want?
One of the prettiest and the sleekest looking jets around! The Swedes are the best weapon engineers! 🇸🇪 👏💪👍
Lmao, good joke
@@jb76489 who do u think is best
@@pepperroni6252 probably not the ones who can't get anyone do adopt their jet
@@jb76489 You have no clue about how modern military aviation business works, do you?
@@jb76489 sweden is a small country therfore they are much less likely to get orders because they just cant produce as many planes as the us. sweden still make some of the best military equipment in the world escpecially auto loading systems, atgm systems and IFVs. the cv90 is the best ifv platform in the world and the most versatile. swedes are definitely good engineers.
This is what is needed. Not F16s. Quick, Easy to Fly, Reduced Training, Reduced Cost. Right tool for the right job.
The F-16 are old jets (1970’s technology) and Lockheed’ Martin just wants to sell their old junk, so as to keep their assembly lines open! Buy the Gripens NOTcF-16.!
F-16 is available in huge numbers both in terms of training, spare parts and just volume. F-16 can also use AGM-88 HARM effectively, while JAS-39 is not compatible with it at all. JAS-39 is absolutely not the right tool for this job.
@@johanlassen6448Gripen use Meteor, f16 can't.
US will never send Gripens because it doesn't benefit US economy. F16s will circle back the billions aid and keep it in US (and politician's pocket).
@@johanlassen6448Then why the hell are they still not there yet? We promised they'd be delivered July at the latest it's almost August!
No airfield needed and only a small ground support crew 👍
Beautimous. The great advantage of the Gripen is that it can take off and land just about anywhere, so the enemy never knows where it's coming from or when it will appear. Speaking as a retired aerospace engineer, I would love to have been sitting with the design team when they settled on the canard configuration.
Great nations do not negotiate with terrorists.
That's why it is liked by nations that don't have the support like NATO or the US has. Nations that can't have permanent bases everywhere defended from all possible threats.
Many nations need a Jet that works even if your airbases taking hits, and the F-16 does a poor job at that.
I love that the Swedes have airbases on their public roads... or used to. They can rapidly bring them back into use in no time at all I bet.
You are totally correct on that we still asphalt those areas even today and keep the roads wide on some places for the trucks and stuff
Excellent ideas!
NATO does also, British motorways all have long straight stretches with no bridges usually near services that can quickly be turned into airstrips that was designed in from the off.
The airplane was designed with a potential ruZZian invasion in mind, when the normal runways are targets of missile attack. It is the perfect plane for Ukraine but there are a very few built. There are thousands F-16's
@@asicdathens and you don’t think i know that? I’m from Sweden if you couldn’t tell. I was a kid when viggen patrolled our sky.
The Grippen is the logical aircraft to have in Ukraine but the U.S. don't want anyone to realize that because it could hit there sales.
True! America has a snobby attitude..if it ain’t made in America, it ain’t no good! Saab should be used by US navy and Air Force as trainers and air national guard!
@@dadwire1483 it astonishes me how incorrect people are. Also the new T-7A is a Saab and Boeing cooperation built as a new advanced pilot training system meant to replace their current fleet.
But I worried, quite a lot if not even more, that the BIble = the World of God tells us, that Ukraine will join forces with the Russia!/. Yes! They will, so I don't want, that Russia get the Technology of Swedish SAAB Gripens to Their selves!/. Nope! No sir!
I was fortunate to meet Major 'Sunshine' at RIAT 2022. He's very knowledgeable and friendly.
I had a really interesting chat with their ground team at RIAT 24 as they demo’ed reloading the Meteor missile in 2 minutes.
The turnaround between missions is 20 minutes, run by a technician and 4 conscripts: reload, refuel and launch.
Perfect for Ukraine!
Germany should order 100 of them and lease also some to Ukraine. As counter business Sweden could order 500 German tanks.
We in Germany need an airplane that can be used on roads and which is easy to maintain. We have too much high-tech and no practical things, as usual.
Why should Germany get a jet that is worse than their own Eurofighter?
All Western fighter jets can be used from roads.
Sweden has no need for 500 tanks.
@@johanlassen6448 Grippen is far superior to F16🙄
U sound like a Russian troll! Gripen is an excellent jet for Ukraine! And your name is not LASSEN
@@gimigimi1299 No, it isn't.
@@johanlassen6448There’s a difference in the occasional take off or landing on a highway stretch that has been carefully cleaned and prepared to using disperse roadbases and highways with small, portable service and armament teams as tactics. Try that with a EF or F16. They weren’t designed to be ”guerilla jets”.
I very much hope, that Ukraine gets 12-14 Gripen.
This was what I said from the beginning of this war, that this plane is ideal for Ukraine.. it can use roads, it can rearm quickly, it is strong in electronic warfare. And probably it´s strong electronic warfare is the reason why it did not go to Ukraine until today - Sweden did not want that Russians can find out too many details about it.
Also crucial, it's STOL capacity of course, and the ability to take off from highways. And well, the Swedes sell it as the ultimate "MiG killer", so that too might help. While hoping it also loves to "eat" Sukhoi et al.
If we'd ordered Gripens for Ukraine back in 2022, when Phase II of the 2014 Russo-Ukrainian War kicked off, Ukraine would have had its own fighter jets flying for a year already. Instead we're waiting for the war to end before we send the F-16s in.
A damn site more appropriate for Ukraine than the F16 which requires far too much maintenance and ground support.
But there are far more f16 produced and in use by diffrent countries this leads to it being harder to get spare parts and so on to the gripen
@@WilliamMagnusson-cb5qv Getting parts for the Gripen isn't really an issue. A lot is NATO standard. But yes, it's not like there are tens or hundreds of unused hulls to service and ship off. But for aircraft, I believe the situation will be similar to other equipment: soon, the stockpiles of old junk will dwindle and Ukraine's allies will need to buy brand new.
And just like Denmark and others are ordering brand new CV90's for Ukraine, others will at some point need to send factory-fresh aircraft. It would be most reasonable for that to be the Gripen.
@@WilliamMagnusson-cb5qv true but the gripen is more capable on mobility of bases being able to use normal roads without the need for massive hardened runways that will be quickly targeted by the rf
If you factor in mission needs, losses , accidents and maintenance
Ukraine would need at least 40 JAS-39
theres barely 300 JAS-39 built
Ukraine needs the AGM-88s for hunting SAMs and Jammers, the JAS-39 is not equipped to use the AGM-88s
The F-16 can use CBU-87/89/97 cluster munitions. As Sweden is party to Convention on Cluster Munitions (CCM), they wouldnt be able to integrate those weapons
Remember, Ukraine use cluster munitions have inflicted serious damage on Russian forces. 6 ATACMS with cluster payloads wiped out nearly 20 Russian helps
As far as industrial capability goes
Lockheed can integrate French , Germany, UK Israel and other weapons to the F-16 faster than SAAB can to the JAS-39
For the future
Yes absolutely 60-100 JAS-39E/F , however for right now, its the F-16
America should purchase 500 Gripens!
Good news.
Very nice. Canada, UK, and the Baltics need a lot of these. They complement the F35 and the Euro fighter
Welcome Sweden!
Greetings from Canada
It’s a great shame the Griffin did not mke it to Ukraine a lot earlier in the war. It would have made an incredible difference !
Gorgeous looking bit of kit.
60 new Gripen E is in production for Sweden right now.
Love the sound of a jet engine ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Let's do it! Let's go!
i want one.
More front-line countries, countries that border Russia, where all of their airfields are within FPV drone range of Russia, should be buying Gripen. Easier to fly from highways. Easier to train ground crew. And cheaper, so they can buy more.
Well, now that the arrival of the F16s has been confirmed, the main question is whether it will be the Gripen or the Mirage that will arrive second?
Great news the ideal fighter for Ukraine!
The major problem is that this plane integrates too many elements from foreign countries with the multiplication of related potential industrial risks.
This is the fighter for Ukraine
Gear up!
Gripens are on there way to Ukrain soon. pilots could start training as soon as next month.
Far superior to f16 as the Nato games have proved !!!
source: trust me bro
@@jb76489 Source: alaska red flag exercise, they kicked f-16 and even f-35 butt.
Nice to see the RuZZki trolls getting nervous!😂
No NATO "game" has ever shown the JAS-39 to be superior. The things you are thinking of literally never happened, it is a myth peddled by a Stefan Englund who is just a SAAB fanboy. He was never at any of these exercises.
Real results from actual evaluations done by airforces like Finland, Switzerland and Czech Republic show the reality.
@@johanlassen6448 😂😂😂🤡
They are multi
Is the Eurofighter Typhoon a viable twin-engine "heavy fighter" option for Ukraine to counter Russia's Sukhoi Su-27, Su-30, and Su-35?
The best Europe has produced yet is Dassault Rafale.
Ukraine is going to have one of the strongest air forces this way...if all the nato countries donate their planes to them they will have multiple types to fly.
Fab
ther will be 50 f16 an 50 grippen pilots scooled for ukrane this year ?
Note the lack of external weapons pilons. Note the poor internal store’s capacity
what? the c has 7 pylons lmao. the e has 10. it doesnt have any internal storage so to call it poor is just ignorant haha. russian bot gonna bot i guess. good luck facing the nordic air force with half your stockpiles being gone due to corruption hahahah // you do know the only reason for internal storage is reduced radar signature right? im guessing you dont since you are a farmer boy from russian countryland without education. glhf!
Never heard of an aircraft, military or otherwise, with 'weapons pilons' - are you perhaps thinking of weaponized pilots? As for internal stores, they are - internal, and by definition hidden from sight .. But that's not really what your comment's actually about, is it? You just want to poo poo on the aircraft for one reason or another. Well, that's your prerogative - but to be brutally honest, your poo does come through as rather mediocre. Why don't you have another go at it..? ;)
Return to car manufacture to rival BMW, Audi, Mercedes!
True but the critical fact is that isnt enough for a sustained conflict
if you factor in mission needs, losses , accidents and maintenance
Ukraine would need 40-60 planes, There are only 300 JAS-39s built
With the F-16
there are over 4600 built
Enough for Ukraine needs right now
For the future, yes buy JAS-39E/F but for now
its F-16
Last time I checked, there were zero F-16’s in the fight thanks to Jake.
Small weapon load though
C/Ds don't have many hardpoints, that's true. E/F fixes this in a big way.
@jjsmallpiece9234 Yes _but_ it's designed to land and relaunch from ordinary roads anywhere--so no need to return to the place it came from--and its ground crews train to refuel, add fresh lubricants, and re-arm it _with the engine running, in less than 10 minutes._ That's for everything. They aim for a _seven_ minute turnaround.
So it can be back in the air, and the fight, with fresh weapons, very quickly indeed. You've got to admire the Swedes' fighting abilities! 😊
@@vmpgsc Small jet. Single engine. You can't beat the laws of physics/aerodynamics
@@jjsmallpiece9234 Which laws of physics/aero exactly? T/W? Lift? There isn't a 1:1 relationship between installed thrust and weight carrying capability. Besides, with precision guided weapons you don't need to hang B-52 quantities of dumb bombs or whatever. We aren't talking about doing a Sandy mission with a Skyraider loitering for hours dropping napalm and shooting WP rockets at everything that moves.
@@vmpgsc All very true, Doesn't alter the fact small aircraft equals a small weapons load. A B52 has 8 engines for a reason
🥱🤦🏽♂️🥴😂🤣😂
Ukrainians assemble the Gripens and end up with 3 dowels and 4 screws left over.
It's not like Ikea, these aircraft get built in their factory in Sweden so you don't have any screws left over.
@@matthewbaynham6286 You don't really get jokes, eh?
@@ianmacfarlane1241 I've been living in Germany since 2013, it's critical to adapt to the culture when you're the foreigner.
@matthewbaynham6286 What does German culture have to do with a joke about Swedish military aircraft going to Ukraine?
You've completely lost me.
Another Gamechanger... 😂😂😂
How can it be "cost effective" when Ukraine isn't buying any of this stuff?
Perhaps the "least expensive to give away"?
Fighter jets are not only acquisition cost, these machines costs thousands of dollars per flight hour (maintenance and fuel), and if Ukraine wants their machines to keep flying they will still have to pay the operational cost, even if the acquisition cost was zero. The Gripen is said to be cost effective in the sense that it only costs $4700 per hour to fly. For comparison, F-16 is $7000 per hour, F-35 is $21000.
The old Swedish heads told the younger politicians months ago," We have yet to see what the real cost will be ". to join NATO.
No they haven’t! WTF have you been smoking?
Just an UNPROVEN machine
Except for those 570 combat missions over Libya?
And winning against f16 every year in Alaska Red Flag. 5-0, 5-0, 5-0 and 5-1 for Gripen. Also way less problems then f-16. Changing engine in 45 min. Refuel and weapons in 15min. Can carry Meteor. Best possible combat system. Can keep on this list forever while you can't specify nothing but a oneliner.
Mig-31BM be like: "..oh, you want some of this too? Bring it..."
Are you playing with your toy models again?😂
@@Hiznogood yep, in his fantasy land
Realistically that jet wouldn't last against Russian Jets.
They would. NATO’s entire development philosophy for fighter jets was to counter Soviet/Russian designs, and since the SU57 and designs like it are mostly farce it has a good shot.
Russian jets? LOL. Gripen is small/harder to detect, has advanced EW, excellent radar, excellent datalink, excellent cockpit, and is scary dangerous when hanging Meteor AAMs. Russian SAMs are another story.
Yeah sure...another clown not having a clue about how things work.
The Russian jets and especially the pilot skill we have seen in Ukraine does not paint a very good picture for their quality now do they?!?
I'm highly confident these Jets would be more than a match for Russia if push come to shove.
The Gripen is far superior to anything Ukraine has now. If their old SU-27's and MiG-29's have survived for two years, a Gripen fleet shouldn't have any issues either. It has better weapons, better sensors, is more maneuverable and more versatile in general. This war is pretty much exactly what the Swedish materiel administration foresaw when they ordered the development of the plane.
It might be easy to TRANSITION to by already proficient fighter pilots, but that doesn't mean that it's EASY to fly... And it's a LOT better than the F-16 for what the Ukraine needs. It can fly off of almost any flat surface. The F-16 needs a swept, impeccable runway to not get FODded up and blow up an engine. PLUS it fires the Meteor BVR and IRIS-T magic trick that comes back and back again... I mean.... What else do you want?