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Farmer: "Hey I have a question I need to ask you about the dog I bought from you" Breeder: "What does it truly mean to be bought...can one ever really say they own a wild animal, you merely provide an easier form of survival for it..." Farmer: "Dude you can have this philosophy all you want, but stop teaching it to the dogs! It's freaking out my sheep!"
The dog may or may not have been part of the private militia group known as Diamond dogs, working closely with his previous owner "Punished" Venom Snake.
Despite the justification, Jack never says what the wolves do is “good”. And if he was the one who killed the wolf, he wouldn’t say it’s a good thing he killed it or even it’s bad that the wolf died. Jack is just doing his job to protect the sheep, and the wolves are doing their job to survive. It’s just a consequence of living.
It’s heavier knowing that in the comic prior, Jack basically condemned them to that fate by denying them food. He mightve been doing his job, but one can imagine he still feels responsible.
Which is probably a factor in why Jack doesn’t allow the sheep to mocking the poor wolf. Appreciation of being alive is one thing, speaking ill of the dead who are just trying to survive is another matter.
@@paleriderpublishing451 Yes, but that’s just survival. Jack is aware that the wolves don’t hunt for fun, but to get something to eat. That’s probably why he wouldn’t tolerate the sheep callous attitude, while of course they don’t want to die either but they don’t have to gloating. Jack would probably have the same of a wolf gloating over how defenceless the sheep is in comparison to other preys.
You completely missed the meaning. The dog is not the Shepard. The human is the Shepard and the dog is the guard. The sheep spent they're time being scared of the wolves while their human care takers housed them to be food for themselves. The sheep died either way. They have more to fear for yet they're spite and ignorance keeps them blissful.@@bigshot103
The first sheep's pragmatic response was honestly fair because it focused on how the wolf's death was good for them, but the rest made the mistake of taking the principles of nature personally. They were just being spiteful.
Metanightmare, u right, it acgually remknds my of hoe people dispise insectsts and different animals then the traditional like cats and dogs, killing the different ones for fun. I dont wanna get into deep because slmetimes there are reasons why people feel this way, but when they just kill them because its disgusting to them, the insect or other animal when they are doing literally nothing🐜(hi im existing). It makes me very angry
"Do you want to be respected? Then be respectful to everyone. It doesn't matter if they are friends or enemies, even if they want to kill you or kill you or do something bad, they either do it unknowingly or knowingly, that's their problem. But one of the things I've learned so far is that respect is not given to honest, good, brave, heroic people, but to those who deserve it. Never forget that. If you forget that, then you can't earn that respect. Even if you do, it's fake respect. Do what's right and proper, the rest will be questioned or keep it to yourself."
The distinction being, for those unaware, is not every opponent or adversary is inherently evil or motivated by personal animus. Good and evil, as enemies (and to a lesser degree, adversaries) implies are natural enemies. Their intrinsic qualities are definitionally opposed, there can be no accord, no treaty, no trust with such an enemy. ..but that's rarely the case. Not everyone on the other side of a situation got there on purpose, they aren't self-attracting, self-annhilating pairs like virtual particles in the quantum realm. They're just the people who wound up on the other side of a matter, it need be no more than that. Just cause you fought with someone doesn't mean they aren't a friend -- before, after, or during. It might sound like a petty difference, enemy from opponent, but it means the world. With an enemy, in this sense of the word, there can only be conflict; with an opponent, understanding, alliance, friendship, reconciliation, justice those hopeful avenues into possible futures exist and are preserved. One means destruction, and the other is a vast gulf of potential. It's the very difference between the sheep and their guardian dog. One is shallow, ignorant, naive and the other wise and introspective. The former won't think to take a lesson in any form from this turn of events, while the latter is liable to come away wiser.
The dubbing is SPOT ON !! That was just perfect and really emotionnal ! Y'all did a great job ! This shepherd dog got his head on his shoulder and don't forget the harsh reality of his ennemies ! That was pure cinema !
I have actually once my neighbor had a female wolfdog hybrid and she looked very much like a wolf. I saw him walking her with his Siberian Husky once. I am aware that there are differences between huskies malamutes and wolves but they’re also a lot of similarities between them too. For example huskies and malamutes howl more than they bark and they have a really strong prey drive on top of being pack hunters just like wolves.
Poorly. Tbh Jack has no leg to stand on past his perspective. The sheep have every right to feel the way they do and anyone saying different has to act like they’re not sheep that have a one sided dynamic only with the wolves of which isn’t a fair predators arms race of competition. The sheep have literally no choice but to die. They don’t attack the wolves so this isn’t equal and Jack was just dismissive of their feelings since he’s more empathetic as a dog and may be in the wolf’s position. The sheep don’t hunt wolves nor antagonise them. Yes the wolves aren’t monsters but it’s fair for the sheep to see them that way and have zero sympathy.
@ livestock have no choice to die or destroy the environment they live in and die in the process(reasoning ability is completely different in humans and animals). But this is why we can’t humanize animals, or else we sound as dumb as you.
Honestly, watching this makes me think about that line from Jurassic World. “To a mouse, the cat is a monster.” Frankly, I understand why the sheep feel the way they do. It’s hard not to see someone or something that has tried to eat you as vicious, no matter what their reasons. However, I agree with Jack. To say that the wolves deserve cruel deaths just because they’re carnivorous animals and can’t survive unless they kill and consume other animals is unfair to the wolves. After all, they didn’t get to choose what they need to survive.
@@alienbastards No, you just walked yourself into a corner there. Wolves are not cruel. You, however, are, and are probably of the same oafs who think celebrating death of a CEO and encourages more of that. There is no good to come about celebrating a death like this. They were just trying to live, and nature dictates that they die because they couldn't find their food in time. Welcome. To nature. You child.
@@alienbastards neither is unfair. there is no objective fairness, only objective reality. fairness is a subjective assessment we choose to enforce because we are moral creatures. its not a "wokescold". its basic philosophy and to many, common sense
Why would you keep to yourself the happiness that comes from surviving more day. I wouldn't keep it to myself. I would be relieved to see that the wolf died. Definitely wouldnt say " I hope he suffered" that's going too far in my opinion, but surely I wouldn't keep to myself
@@dianareis9624 The sheep are always fearful of the wolf when it the end it is the shepherd that eats them. To say you find pleasure in the wolf's outcome but that can just as likely be said the same about you
@@dianareis9624 That's not the problem, the problem is "i Hope it SUFFER", not even predators like us wish suffering or the worst for our prey, And sometimes it's good to keep quiet
Empathy I feel is a confusing thing to some people. Expressing understanding to something that isn’t even worth being understood is viewed by most as frivolous, but when you do, you can understand things that you would never be able to in the first place. In addition to that, I find that empathy also puts you at odds with the people around you because they don’t understand it, and I find that this short shows that
It one of the more sad things as human are the reason wolfs an many animals are in the situation their in now. Yet no matter how much we try to help there only so much we can do with the state of things.
@@laitdejabot9890 and here we have someone that thinks they're enlightened, kinda funny to see honestly. Lack of care and ignorance does not make you 'better' or 'smarter', you just look like an fool
Someone said it on the original comic, I think, but I also wanna point out how Big Jack doesn't ask the sheep to straight up feel bad for the wolf or sympathize with it. He understands there's a complicated dynamic there, where they both want to live at the obligated expense of the other, but he doesn't want to hear them gloat about the death of a creature that, as far as they know, doesn't kill out of sadism or pleasure (within the comic). I also have to wonder if it makes him think a little, how if he was less fortunate, the flock he's protecting would wish him a painful, lonely death, too.
Maybe, but having others wishing a painful lonely death isn't nearly as awful as living in the fear that at any moment you or your children could experience it at the hands of a merciless predator. Even if he isn't asking them to understand he still demands they keep silent, reminding them subtly that he isn't too different and has the capacity to harm them as well.
@@ajregalia1334 your use of the description "merciless predator" has some deep connotations. If we were talking of a human, who is not an obligate carnivore and is instead an omnivore tool user with a sophisticated level of intelligence, philosophy and community compared to all other animals, your words make a stronger moral point about fear and expressing it. But when talking about a wolf, you are missing the dog's point entirely. The wolf cannot offer mercy to its prey for it's own survival and that of the pack. Why should its death be favored over the prey's? Why should it defy the rules of nature and the cycle of the ecosystem, when prey animals must be eaten to keep their populations in check as to not over consume the plants? To live is to eat, and when we no longer live, we are to be eaten by the dirt and bugs, replenishing the soil and returning our nutrients. All things want survival, but life is not guaranteed to anyone. Humans are animals, yes, and we often fail to reconcile that truth with our reality. But humans also have qualities other animals do not possess that give us alternative options for maintaining ecosystems, and thus allow us to express "mercy" more often than we used to as hunter-gatherers. Agribusiness is the cruelty, not respectful hunting for food and craft material, in moderation and to meet community needs.
But at the end of the day, who cares *why* the wolf does what it does? It still eats the sheep's loved ones, so why should it hold back? This is one of their only ones of actually fighting back against their predators, and even then it's already dead
@@ajregalia1334those predators often experience the same fear. Rival predators and even herbivores will kill their children to get rid of competition .
Agreed. Man so many commenters here miss the point. it’s not about needing to feel bad for the wolf, it’s about giving another perspective. not everything has to be black and white, sympathy or none. Media literacy is a dying things nowadays.
fr like i get the message but it really feels like the dog is just projecting himself onto the wolf and taking the insults personally, when most creatures would be happy that if someone or something that wanted to eat and kill them and their family, i think if the dog had a natural predator and was at risk of dying every day and night he too would also be happy that one of the things hunting it and its family is dead
It was the 'I hope it suffered' comment that definitely crossed the line from pragmatism to moral righteousness. Everything before was just undertones that might have been harmless, but trying to declare the wolf as evil for just wanting to eat... that's too far
He's giving a soldier's speech. Hate is dominant on the battlefield, but when the dust settles, in the end the enemy is just like you, doing his job or what needs to be done.
I'm not sure the metaphor works because the sheep are less like soldiers and more like civilians. Civilians who have watched enemy troops slaughter their friends and family while being powerless to defend themselves. And are now being told by an "ally" soldier to be silent with a casual reminder he has a gun as well and it is only the chain of command that stops him from enacting similar cruelty. Plus the dynamics of enemies vs predator/prey is a bit different
@@ajregalia1334 It falls apart when you read into it as much as you have here and remember the whole "eating to survive" thing. The point OP is trying to make is that we are all just surviving.
@@garden_creature I get that, I just think it's pretty messed up to silence the ones that "have" to be eaten in that dynamic. The sheep aren't hurting the wolves but the wolves are hurting the sheep. The sheep aren't enemies, they're victims and prey. So telling them their celebration is wrong or cruel feels a touch dismissive. The wolves have no reason to hate the sheep but the sheep have good reason to hate the wolves
@@ajregalia1334that pretty much sums up this whole comic. Petfoolery Just needs to stick the light-hearted stories, because this attempt at philosophy doesn't hold up
@@ajregalia1334 Excellent points, I'd like to add one more thing. Yes, while carnivores DO need to kill to survive, they enjoy doing it too. They play with their prey before killing it. It only makes sense that what is good for survival is rewarded by their body. As the sheep said, they can't help but be cruel. Why feel bad for them when they will not feel bad for having to kill you? In fact they will do it gleefully and proud of themselves? "Not applying human morality to nature" goes both ways. While we can't expect empathy from them, we should not feel empathy for killing them in self defense either. They enjoy doing what it takes to survive. So should you, if it comes to it.
The cast's acting is astonishingly good. Every inflection, every little bit of tone is spot on, and Jack just radiates anger, and understanding, and a wounded compassion. It's perfect.
He knows his truth, he knows himself, and he knows that he is not supposed to be there, but he was able to play his role, and he regrets this matter and the difference in his outlook.
@@linkblade0 I will tell you something. He is sad because he gave up his freedom. A wolf can become a dog, but it is not the other way around. Getting rid of something is not the same as having it come back. He looks at my kidneys and I look confused. Is what he did right or not? He has gained something, but he has lost the most important thing, his freedom. He is tied to the shepherd.
@@thekingofdarkness4722 What is the purpose of freedom? Genuinely. You are free when you are jobless, you are free when you are homeless, and you are free when you are all by yourself. And yet, I'm not sure you're any better for it. You're putting the cart before the horse. The purpose of freedom is not to be untied to anything or anyone but to freely choose what you tie yourself down to. And who knows? The dog may just be happy with his shepard, after all.
This is such a brilliant short with phenomenal voice acting. I'm so glad I stumbled on this. Wolves are dogs ancient cousins. They may be so different in appearance but their souls are one and the same the difference is dogs descended from wolves that humans took in to benefit both lives symbiotically. Wolves stayed in the forest. We see it today when dogs are left to fend for themselves they very quickly regress because they never lost those instincts their cousins posessed. We made their fur softer, their faces cuter, their temperaments more docile but in their souls they are still wolves. I absolutely love dogs. I love wolves too. So this short gets top marks from me.
Good comic, but as I replied to someone here, It's really easy to demand empathy if you're not the one in risk of death AND having no means to defend yourself. It's good to see it from the "enemy'' perspective, and understanding that nobody deserves to die because of how they are born, but if his death means my survival, I'll be happy sure.
but that doesn't mean you should wish suffering or a cruel death on them as the first sheep says it doesn't matter how it dies the end result is the same.
I think this scene is fantastically written. The way that its just snow, the herd, Jack, and the dead wolf, all caked in a thick white gives it such a dramatic and impactful feel. The way that Jack never says anything about the wolf and never gives his opinion on what happened to the wolf is such a perfect addition as it makes his point hit all the harder. Just like him they are doing what they have to... And the way he doesn't judge the herd for finding pleasure in the wolf's death only tells them to keep it to themselves. I love it!
He is judging them in that though. Maybe he didn't intend it as such but reminding them that his Master and the convenience of easily accessible food is the only thing saving them from him, his unspoken anger over this"poor" creature that has been slaughtering them, and justifying the sheep's deaths and the deaths of their children as the wolf just trying to survive...even if it's true it still feels cruel. Silencing their celebration because it makes him uncomfortable, while he gets to sleep in a cozy home every time he does they and their families are at risk of being killed. Like he's telling/reminding them it's their place to be prey and that he isn't there to be the sheep's friend. I agree it's fantastically written though! I just got something different out of it.
@@ajregalia1334 "He gets to sleep in warm house" livestock guarding dogs are NOT kept in the house. They are with livestock 24/7 and that is their job. A dog like that would go crazy in the house. And nowhere did he blame the sheep for thinking that way, he just put things into perspective which can seem pretty rude and rough when you are stuck in certain beliefs. Yes, the sheep are trying to survive, but so is the wolf. For every sheep this dog saves, the wolves lose a meal which could mean a difference between life and death. The same goes for predator/prey interactions in the wild, only this is more complicated because there is a third party involved-humans with their guarding dogs. Without a dog, however, the sheep would be done for and the dog is actually acknowledging all the intervention he does in natural order of things.
@leavrhovec4992 That's something I didn't know about livestock guard dogs. (Though I also have read in other comments they have been bred not to eat sheep even when starving and actually have a lot of animosity for wolves) And you can say they are "stuck" in their beliefs I think it more accurate to say they are stuck in their reality. Wolves kill them, wolves kill their friends, their family and offspring. And they themselves have no way to fight back or even defend themselves. The wolves add nothing good to the sheep's lives, while for the wolves the sheep offer sustenance and for Jack both offer him a job which gives his owner reason to keep him fed. Them having understanding it's out of necessity doesn't change the fear of living that kind of reality, of living being prey. Imagine a mother sheep watching her lamb torn to pieces, not even having time to grieve if she's worried for her other offspring or her own life on that moment, being told to have understanding for the creature that killed and ate her kid. Or a sheep who's brother was eaten and himself maimed and scarred. A lamb growing up without parents because they were eaten trying to protect it. That being their reality for generations, I can see why they'd be stuck in their animosity. Understanding wouldn't serve them in the slightest. All it does is give them pause to trust their protector since, as he said, he really isn't all that different. Natural order seems really profound when you're not at the bottom of that hierarchy. And I'm not so dense not to know that living in fear of starvation is a reality for the wolves. (I wouldn't blame them if they had a similar animosity for the dog keeping their cubs from being fed or the human) Just...what Jack said may not have been rude but it didn't acknowledge the fear and powerlessness of living as prey. But that makes sense, he isn't prey. He's a domesticated predator.
I mean, it's different when you're the sheep. If I were the sheep, I probably wouldn't have been happy that he died, but then you have the situation where these sheep are just scared for their lives. The sheep have understandable animosity. They don't know all that much about the wolves. All they know is that the wolves attack them. They may not even know that the wolves eat meat because they are herbivores, and I've been around herbivores for a while. But even then, they may see the wolves as cruel because of how they kill them: they essentially bite into their necks and don't even try to find a more humane way of doing it. The way they die is bound to be incredibly painful. Not only do they die in an incredibly painful way, but their family members, loved ones, etc., die as well. It's not sheltered cowardice; it's fear and terror resulting from being treated like dirt. No one intended to treat anyone like dirt, but they were treated like dirt nonetheless. They, in and of themselves, have been suffering, and thus they became more nasty-hearted. So, it's not really sheltered cowardice; it's actually fear for their lives. They’re basically forced to hate them and resent the wolves because their lives are always at risk from them, as well as other predators like hyenas and carnivores. I can’t judge them for the way they think, because let's say someone is told, "I'm going to kill you if you don’t kill someone else." Now, the future victim has no idea why they’re being killed, all they know is that someone is threatening to kill them. It’s like a soldier in a war, basically being told they have to kill a civilian or they could die by their own government's hands. So what do they do? They go out and kill people, including civilians, making the lives of their victims terrible. If all the soldiers are threatened like this, then at least for a lot of them, killing innocent people becomes their reality. So, when they get up and go about their day and their lives, the victims hate that person, are happy that they're dead, and view this person as an evil monster. It’s not because the person was trying to survive, but because they came to attack. The victims don’t know that this person was threatened for their life. All they know is that he came to attack them. If they’re crueler, it’s because they’ve grown crueler due to their experiences. Even if one of them has empathy, it’s fully possible that they might actually think it’s better off that the attacker is dead because more predators mean more danger for them. They might be happy, or relieved or neither but still think it's for the best, not because they don’t like him or resent him, but because when they think about it, they realize someone else would have had to die if he lived. This isn’t a good way to feel in the slightest, but it’s a pretty sad situation that they’re in.
The lamb from the first comic comes up to jack, he’s a little older now but not yet is he an adult. Jack: why are you here little ‘un? You’ve warmer places to be Lamb: I just feel sorry for him, it’s like I’m seeing you dead there in the snow, even though I know you’re fine Jack: yeah, I feel sorry for him too. But I don’t feel sorry for defending you lot from ‘em, lamb: I never think that you do big jack.
@@Kanasubigi896? Domesticating an animal makes the intelligence of said animal become closer to the intelligence of the animal domesticating them, compared to their wild counterpart. Canis lupus familiaris subspecies members are generally ever so slightly smarter than Canis lupus lupus subspecies members.
I remember the author said they had him alone to emphasize his loneliness in this ideal but thought about keeping the baby sheep first. I said the baby sheep being kept could've showed his early start to wisdom like the shepherd dog
DAAAAAAMN, why this thing hits so hard? I have to say, the acent of the dog, and his serene personality are great to admire and i absolutly love it. You know? I would actually love to see more characters like this in a more complex history
Yeah, no, THESE dogs aren't house pets. They're bred for large fields to guard livestock and tackle packs of cyotes and/or wolves. They're well built, have lushes loose fur to keep them warm through winter but also protect their skin from nipping from coyotes. Bold, territorial, and if not properly trained can and WILL eat off a farmer's livestock. They will fight untill their last breathe is taken from them... and even chase foes down way pass their territory just to finish the job. So again the only thing separating this dog from a wolf, is that the dog doesn't go to bed starving
wolf are made for hunt and live on the survival while dogs are made to live and protect humans... if the live they are likely to die since wolf fur, fangs, paws, skull, etc. is thicker to protect and attack... since the beginning dog are raised to protect humans and humans protect them. a loner wolf have way more chance in survival than a loner dog
@SirSamTheTank There surely is Good and Evil... Take this outside of the confines of an example where animals are anthropomorphized... And dogs and sheep speak, and then ask. Does Good and Evil exist in humans
@@SirSamTheTank wildlife? Is that what we were watching? Talking dogs and sheep... Right. Obviously. Duh. What was I thinking.... I remember my Dad telling me about a Bengal Tiger that ate 17 villagers over a 3 year period.... But my Dad didn't blame him, the Tiger... Because he's just an animal following impulses. But then the Tiger came into the village Square and started quoting Nietzsche, and Mein Kamph and trying to get the people to invest crypto currency into a pyramid scheme.... Then the villagers were thinking, "Dudes, THIS cat is bad News! I am pretty sure he's even Evil." But my dad reminded me that Tigers are wild life.... So, not evil. But still... There's that talking Tiger thing. It turned out fine really... He changed his name from Sanjeev, to Tony the Tiger and got a contract for Frosted Flakes and he's rich.
Well in fairness wolves haven't hunted him or his family, I have to wonder if him seeing his pup stolen away and devoured by a wolf and not just feeling but being utterly powerless to stop it but rather living in fear it could be another of his family or even himself next would give him more animosity.
@@ajregalia1334 did you forget that wolfs also can be scared? Like death by human hunter, death by bigger animals, death by other wolf pact, death by thirst or in this case death by hunger
@@UrošRajković-e7e Not at all, and like the sheep I wouldn’t blame the wolves if they hated humans or even Jack for denying them food while them and their cubs starve. I’m not being critical of the wolves
@@UrošRajković-e7e My mixed feelings are not of the wolves but of Jack and his speech. And it’s not so much that what he said was wrong. Just from a sheep’s perspective it’s pretty scary. He’s supposed to be their protector and they even considered him a friend, nothing like the wolves. He drew a distinction that he isn’t their friend, he’s their keeper and has more in common with the wolves than them. Were I a sheep in that situation I don’t think I could feel safe around Jack anymore when he makes it clear his owner keeping him fed is the only reason he isn’t turning his fangs on me or my kin. And they already didn’t feel safe with the wolves around, but they are powerless in the face of either. They just have to live in fear and hope Jack stays fed or a wolf doesn’t get past him. (Heck, with his sympathizing they might start fearing that if worse came to worse he might even side with the wolves, he certainly isn’t siding with them)
Idk who these VAs are, but they are absolutely incredible, the style of this series of comics is super cool, I've seen it a few times around the internet but never checked it before, glad I did it with this video
IMHO your interpretation of Jack's voice is the best one. Maybe I'm weird, but it feels fitting for the herding dog and his flock to have an accent (Scottish?) The accent adds to his atmosphere of pragmatism and stoicism.
there's three accents that i think would fit herding dogs pretty well, and Scottish was one of them, the other was Australian and the last is suprisingly Italian, due to me remembering my time with my grandparents maremma herding dog in a dairy and chicken ranch high up in Bergamo Italy
This is the 2nd dub of this comic I've seen, and my favorite part is how fitting the accents are for their speech AND roles. I also appreciate the voice actress's parts, everyone did their roles perfectly!
It was already said with how they worded it "You aren't like that-" is saying he's "one of the good ones." The sheep are aware that he's a carnivore capable of hurting them too, but he doesn't. They just don't see the reason WHY.
I don't think he's "one of the good ones" if he thinks wishing bad things over one's dead enemy is the same as the said enemy coming to kill one of them and them having to live in fear of that every day of their lives, or at least enough of a reason to threaten them with him turning and doing something like that to them.. If he truly was a protector he should know where they are coming from.
@AkairoKaminari he does know where they are coming from, but he also knows where the wolf is coming from. Yes, those sheep live in fear, but to insult the wolf and call it a monster for doing what it has to do to survive is making it personal. Hunting isn't personal, it's just survival... if the wolf was a "monster" and "vicious" like they oh so claimed then the wolf wouldn't pick off just one of them, it'd kill multiple. It's insulting to just label carnivores as monsters... you do realize those sheep would label US the same if they saw what we do to their kin and fellow farm animals right? Do you see all humans as monsters for needing to eat meat? For mass breeding and killing animals, even though we try to give them the best life possible before they have to take their last breath? Do you think we're monsters for how we used to hunt as well? Next time look at the meat on your plate and asked yourself... "Are you a monster for needing to eat?"
the ones that deserved be wished upon are the ones that takes enjoyment on the suffering of others, who is sadistic (most humans and some other primates and some dolphins... and many ants.. and well you got the point)
Man stories like these are scarce to make analogies towards something simple to something greater and it ashamed people have little to media literacy or maturity to truly appreciate stuff like this Edit: I think I was trying to say we don't get enough deep fable stories like these anymore I can see this as an analogy towards poverty we see homeless people as crazy and unhinged but there this way due to circumstances that are out of there control allow them to be this way but any of us who are well off or decently well off would just become as unhinged we were in there place
@Bgh583 I mean I'm aware of that I'm trying saying a lot stories aren't made nowadays or at least they don't get that much attention and sure once I gain the patient to read and the attention span to read
Several hundred years ago, a wolf was ravening through the Italian countryside. The locals were up in arms, since they had been unable to kill it. But before the townsfolk could go to war on this animal, the man known as St. Francis of Assisi was consulted. And St. Francis agreed to speak to the wolf, to find out why it was attacking and get it to stop. So the saint went up into the hills and summoned the wolf, asking the question why? The wolf told him that all the prey had been driven off and he was alone and hungry. So Francis asked him to follow, as he had a solution. Into the center of town walks St Francis, with the wolf walking as peacefully by his side as any pet. The saint speaks: this wolf is not evil, but hungry, as all the prey has been driven away. He promises that so long as you feed him, he will not attack any of you or your flocks. If all in the village take feeding this wolf in turn, no one will be overburdened. Are we agreed? The townsfolk agreed, and from that day to the end of the wolf's life, he was fed by the entire town and the wolf and the people lived peacefully together, and the wolf became as tame as any dog. When the wolf died, the town mourned. And all learned a lesson in kindness. I don't think the kids are told these stories anymore, but this was the first thing I thought of. Kudos to the author.
beautiful writing, incredible dialogue, love animation and most of all; i really really really loved the moral questions this poses about the "Us vs Them" and the need to survive. we dont choose where or to whom we are born, we come into this world kicking and screaming and perhaps rightfully so
“But we, we don’t want to die either cannibal,” said the wild Ram whose horns still dripped with warm blood. The Ram then said “you say these words to my withered kind but I know that you cannibalize many like them from other farms and these sheep will one day be eaten by the tall ones. But unlike you, I am free”.
"You call me cannibal as if your brother's blood doesn't stain your horns as much as mine does. You call it freedom. I call it a life of fear and watching over your shoulder for the jaws that will eventually claim you. Are you really foolish enough to think yourself better than the sheep I protected? Are you really foolish enough to think your life has any more value than anyone else's?"
A few minutes after the Sheep leave. Big Jack: He one of yours? Alpha: (sits across from Jack) Yes. Big Jack: I’m sorry, Truly. Alpha: … don’t be, it’s the natural order of things. Big Jack: nothin natural about being forced from your home, and watch your prey be driven off. Alpha: Maybe… or maybe Nature has decreed that our time is done… the strongest survive after all, and there ain’t none stronger than those you call, Master. Big Jack: … how can ya be so resigned to it? Alpha: I’ve always trusted in nature’s will, since I was a pup, it’s kept me alive… if it’s nature’s will that we give way to those you call Master… who am I to argue, I’ am as bound to Nature’s laws as you or them… in time, they will experience the same, either another will come along and remind them they are NOT invincible, or they will face a challenge too great to overcome. (Looks up) Alpha: will you say then as well, that it isn’t natural? Big Jack: … why tell me this? Alpha: you offered words of wisdom to our younguns once before, you show respect to our fallen (get’s up to leave) I simply wished to return the favour (walks off) Big Jack: … (looks down at corpse of young wolf) … Snow will cover you soon friend… sleep now, you’ve earned it (returns to duty).
I agree with the dog, but if the sheep says "good for us he's dead" I think that's fair enough, I mean, it's a fact the sheep would be in danger if the wolf was alive
The weird thing is; the sheep being absolute cunts makes sense. There's nothing more monstrously spiteful than an herbivore. It's how they're wired to survive. Something that eats meat will have the sense to back off from a fight, but when something that chews grass for calories squares up, the only mindset is "either I'm your calories or you're fertilizing the grass" and there is no in between. It's why the water buffalo in Africa are called widowmakers, and why the moose is the most dangerous animal in North America. If they think you're trying to eat 'em, they'll try to take you with them to hell.
Oof. Wow. That fekkin' hit HARD and DEEP; I felt that in my soul... 😦😣 Cuz Big Jack is absolutely right. Who can blame him for taking offense to the sheeps' pragmatic and spiteful remarks? And yet, all the while, he maintains an air of composure, wisdom, and respect that is COMmanded but not DEmanded - respect for the order of Nature AND for his (would-be) enemies. 😌 As he spoke, I'll bet that the irony of Big Jack being a descendant of the wolf - of being a closely-related carnivore himself, albeit domesticated - must have hit the flock like a punch to the gut. 😖 Mad props to him. 🧐✨🫡
There are LAYERS to this. They just explained so much that I didn't think a lot of people caught. There's a visual narrative being used, and the dialogue explains a serious and consistent top-down issue. Way to address multiple problems and attitudes in 2 minutes.
Good job completely missing the point, morons. The wolf didn't choose his life any more than the sheep chose theirs. It's pointless and stupid to hate someone or something for being what it was made to be. And Jack understands that there really isn't that much of a difference between himself and the wolf. Jack understands that not having to kill to eat is a luxury that can be taken away from him at any moment. What kind of monster will you become when the luxuries that you take for granted are taken from you? Pray that you can stay as soft, stupid, and protected as those sheep.
This was a nice sequel ❤ It shows that even though he was willing to kill them the night before, he still respects them and their lives. Not enough hero like him ❤
Loved this. Clicked on it because I thought it was a different video, one where the dog argues with the wolf about their predicament - the wolf has to kill to survive, but the dog has a duty to protect the sheep. Great discussion, and this is a worthy followup.
This reminds me of this quote from a Borderlands character, a robot, forgot his name, but it goes something like this: "I'm neither man nor woman, but both deserve more respect than you."
I don't think Jack is very understand here neither. Sure he is right, but it's much less complicated to the sheep. To them the wolf is much more of a threat than it is to a dog. To them it's a monster that snatches their friends, their children and relatives at night, something that can snatch them any time too. Some of them probably have already felt loss of a dear friend, or a sister, a brother or even a son or daughter. The others who didn't, they just saw the mourning of another sheep and felt empathy. They are in fear for their life, it's really easy to start hating wolves really
While this is true, and the perspective of the sheep is to be considered. They are ignorant of the fact that a wolf and a domesticated dog are the same thing, one is just easier to discipline, usually. The sheep's perspective ignores that their protector is the same thing they taunt and cheer at the death of. This is what the dog is getting at. His "keep it to yourself" is him saying to stop insulting the very thing that made him what he is. To stop insulting his siblings. Is a wolf a monster, if one of them or a relative is keeping away the other monsters?
@@arimfoxer3889honestly a stray dog can cause a lot more trouble with livestock because they will attack viciously anything even if they don't need it hungry drives them crazy around prey wolfs just take one and leave
@@justice_of_UA-cam, because this "someone" is a predator that would eat your corpse/your kid alive/eventually anyone you love? It's natural to hate someone who is an absolute threat. Hate makes you angry and the angry prey may kill some predators to protect the others.
I agree that finding pleasure in anyone's death should be looked down upon, but it's pretty understandable for the sheep to feelthat way. They live in constant fear, their only defense a single dog, It's odd that Jack makes excuses for the wolves' state of being, but not the sheep. And as if there isn't plenty of other woodland creatures for these "poor wolves" to find and feast on, they only hunt the sheep because it's easy pickins. Even if Jack was "trying to live", I'd hope he would stoop to such a position of weakness.
While the Dog, the side defending them, makes a very good point, he is telling the Sheep, the side being killed with no way to defend themselves, to feel sympathy for the Wolf, the side killing them. While I understand it as an allegory it doesn't really work for the actual sheep, are they supposed to think "Oh no this wolf is killing me, but he is just hungry, so I guess I should be ok with that" they have every reason to be happy that there is one less wolf out there.
@@CEMonaghanOfficialbut how does gloating about it affects the sheep negatively? With humans this idea works because we benefit from peace and proper relationships even with our enemies, by not dehumanizing others we can argue against them dehumanizing us, reducing harm and cruelty this way, but how does that apply to the sheep?
@@CEMonaghanOfficial And the point I am making is that sheep are not humans. It works as an allegory of war for us, but it doesn't apply at all for the sheep themselves.
@@Ducilios Except it does because it's a fable which means they are anthropomorphized and made into people, and real sheep and dogs don't speak irl. Do you understand basic media literacy, my guy?
@@CEMonaghanOfficial My guy, I am arguing the speech doesn't work in universe because it doesn't, it works for us the reader as a metaphor for war but not for the actual characters in the story. This will be the third time I say I understand the metaphor here, so I am questioning your reading comprehension.
Honestly, I don't think the sheep are entirely in the wrong here. Their whole lives they live in fear, unable to fight back as their bodies are weak and not designed to fight but run. This is essentially their only way of throwing a punch. Whether it's disrespectful or spiteful to make fun of a dead creature, it's absolutely understandable.
The guardian dog is so quick to judge the sheep for wanting to live in peace. It’s strange that he talks about the “other side” of canines but not the “other side” of predator vs prey
But that’s what the sheepdog is there for, he’s the punch. Not everyone needs to throw punches, nor is the ability to throw punches inherently good. It is good if used correctly, to protect. And throwing punches inherently vindictiveness isn’t actually protecting anything, just satiating anger.
So you think feeding your anger through sadistic pleasure as a form of coping mechanism is ok? Look. Call me biased.. But that does not seem like a mindset suitable. Believe me.. I am glad to he alive, I am not glad it is at expense of other beings. I do not want or need anger through petty disrespect and antagonization to ruin me. Being Blind to my mistakes is not rare nor is it immoral but sure can end up that way if limits are pushed.
@@corbanbausch9049yeah, thats why the police is there for finding your missing child, but you still feel frustrated not capable doing anything to help. It doesnt matter if someone does the job. Just thinking that something is out of control makes someone mad.
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Farmer: "Hey I have a question I need to ask you about the dog I bought from you"
Breeder: "What does it truly mean to be bought...can one ever really say they own a wild animal, you merely provide an easier form of survival for it..."
Farmer: "Dude you can have this philosophy all you want, but stop teaching it to the dogs! It's freaking out my sheep!"
The dog may or may not have been part of the private militia group known as Diamond dogs, working closely with his previous owner "Punished" Venom Snake.
Breeder: I say this is the sign of a well trained dog, leading the sheeps in more ways than one, Your sheeps are well guarded...
This isn't truly philosophy. It's simple wisdom
I'm never buying a dog from jordan peterson again
@@micahrobbins8353what does Jordan have anything to do with this conversation?
Despite the justification, Jack never says what the wolves do is “good”. And if he was the one who killed the wolf, he wouldn’t say it’s a good thing he killed it or even it’s bad that the wolf died. Jack is just doing his job to protect the sheep, and the wolves are doing their job to survive.
It’s just a consequence of living.
In the end, it's the basics of life. And harsh basics at that.
It’s just the RULES OF NATURE!
Doing right won't always be equal to doing good.
@talkingdomination1928 A metal gear reference?
That's just how nature works and there ain't much you can do about it
It’s heavier knowing that in the comic prior, Jack basically condemned them to that fate by denying them food. He mightve been doing his job, but one can imagine he still feels responsible.
maybe it died because of this and jack knows this.
Which is probably a factor in why Jack doesn’t allow the sheep to mocking the poor wolf. Appreciation of being alive is one thing, speaking ill of the dead who are just trying to survive is another matter.
Well
He was trying to eat them
If he gives himself leave to eat them in order to Survive then perhaps they have leave to mock him
@@paleriderpublishing451 Yes, but that’s just survival. Jack is aware that the wolves don’t hunt for fun, but to get something to eat. That’s probably why he wouldn’t tolerate the sheep callous attitude, while of course they don’t want to die either but they don’t have to gloating. Jack would probably have the same of a wolf gloating over how defenceless the sheep is in comparison to other preys.
Was it confirmed that the predators in the previous comic were wolves?
Sheep feared the wolves all their life and in the end it was the shepherd who ate them.
uh no he just said if he was in the wolfs place he would do the same. not that he was actually going to eat them.
@@bigshot103brother or sister idk what you are either way, reread that slowly.
@@bigshot103
The shepherd is the human. The dog herds them.
Damn right. But he fed them and keep them from cold and harm, so that's kind of a point.
You completely missed the meaning. The dog is not the Shepard. The human is the Shepard and the dog is the guard.
The sheep spent they're time being scared of the wolves while their human care takers housed them to be food for themselves.
The sheep died either way. They have more to fear for yet they're spite and ignorance keeps them blissful.@@bigshot103
00:20 The dog doth declare: How dare thee besmirch the honor of mine forebears, thou vile wretch!
The first sheep's pragmatic response was honestly fair because it focused on how the wolf's death was good for them, but the rest made the mistake of taking the principles of nature personally. They were just being spiteful.
Woah good catch there
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Metanightmare, u right, it acgually remknds my of hoe people dispise insectsts and different animals then the traditional like cats and dogs, killing the different ones for fun. I dont wanna get into deep because slmetimes there are reasons why people feel this way, but when they just kill them because its disgusting to them, the insect or other animal when they are doing literally nothing🐜(hi im existing). It makes me very angry
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Pretty much sums it up, if they stopped at “welp that’s one less wolf to worry about” jack probably wouldn’t have said much.
Jack pays his respects even to his enemies. In this gesture he shows wisdom and compassion. These things are in short supply these days.
Nah those things are not in short supply these days, they’re still in excess, we just have a hard time finding their purest form.
Opponent, not enemy
The wolf wasn't an enemy. It was just another being trying to survive.
"Do you want to be respected? Then be respectful to everyone. It doesn't matter if they are friends or enemies, even if they want to kill you or kill you or do something bad, they either do it unknowingly or knowingly, that's their problem. But one of the things I've learned so far is that respect is not given to honest, good, brave, heroic people, but to those who deserve it. Never forget that. If you forget that, then you can't earn that respect. Even if you do, it's fake respect. Do what's right and proper, the rest will be questioned or keep it to yourself."
The distinction being, for those unaware, is not every opponent or adversary is inherently evil or motivated by personal animus. Good and evil, as enemies (and to a lesser degree, adversaries) implies are natural enemies. Their intrinsic qualities are definitionally opposed, there can be no accord, no treaty, no trust with such an enemy.
..but that's rarely the case. Not everyone on the other side of a situation got there on purpose, they aren't self-attracting, self-annhilating pairs like virtual particles in the quantum realm. They're just the people who wound up on the other side of a matter, it need be no more than that.
Just cause you fought with someone doesn't mean they aren't a friend -- before, after, or during.
It might sound like a petty difference, enemy from opponent, but it means the world. With an enemy, in this sense of the word, there can only be conflict; with an opponent, understanding, alliance, friendship, reconciliation, justice those hopeful avenues into possible futures exist and are preserved. One means destruction, and the other is a vast gulf of potential.
It's the very difference between the sheep and their guardian dog. One is shallow, ignorant, naive and the other wise and introspective. The former won't think to take a lesson in any form from this turn of events, while the latter is liable to come away wiser.
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This shepherd dog got his head on his shoulder and don't forget the harsh reality of his ennemies ! That was pure cinema !
Not enemies, just adversaries. Enemies are created by unnatural hate.
I agree!
Tbh I dont know how but the scottish accent just clicks with the kangal dog even though their origin has nothing to do with scotland lol.
@@murmurghle yeah I prefer the Scottish dub to all the southern accent ones
@@murmurghle I think this is supposed to be a Malaklisis, not a Kangal. But they have the same origin, so Scottish accent still makes no sense 😂
1:11 that sheep has clearly never met a Siberian Husky or an Alaskan Malamute they’re basically wolves but friendlier
And also more drama queens! Specially huskies!
U clearly never seen them next to eachother…. Wolves are very much different, twice as big to say the least…
@@soundcity100but compared to other dogs, they're one of the closest visually to wolves, right?
I have actually once my neighbor had a female wolfdog hybrid and she looked very much like a wolf. I saw him walking her with his Siberian Husky once. I am aware that there are differences between huskies malamutes and wolves but they’re also a lot of similarities between them too. For example huskies and malamutes howl more than they bark and they have a really strong prey drive on top of being pack hunters just like wolves.
Yeah.. Wolves are 2x bigger and stronger than any dog
Dog’s voice actor so brutal and chill at the same time. So beautiful for ears
“Does your dog bite?”
“No, it’s worse. He lectures you.”
His bark is worse than his bite, but that isnt to say his bark doesnt really sting...
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One of the few sane comments
Poorly. Tbh Jack has no leg to stand on past his perspective. The sheep have every right to feel the way they do and anyone saying different has to act like they’re not sheep that have a one sided dynamic only with the wolves of which isn’t a fair predators arms race of competition. The sheep have literally no choice but to die. They don’t attack the wolves so this isn’t equal and Jack was just dismissive of their feelings since he’s more empathetic as a dog and may be in the wolf’s position. The sheep don’t hunt wolves nor antagonise them. Yes the wolves aren’t monsters but it’s fair for the sheep to see them that way and have zero sympathy.
@ livestock have no choice to die or destroy the environment they live in and die in the process(reasoning ability is completely different in humans and animals). But this is why we can’t humanize animals, or else we sound as dumb as you.
I can’t help but imagine hearing the other wolves in the distance, howling mournfully for their dead packmate.
May I... stand unshaken...
They actually do that and they mourn their dead for days on end
1:17 you can iven her them
@reyveronasworld Wolf packs are family units so it’s not a “pack mate” but their brother/sister or child. They are definitely saddened
You can actually hear howling in the video
"...We're hungry..."
“ Sorry to hear that, but there’s no food for you here. “
That's the first thing that came to my mind when i saw the vid
"sorry hungry... but I'm not dad"
@@DestroyanRoyale😂
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Honestly, watching this makes me think about that line from Jurassic World. “To a mouse, the cat is a monster.” Frankly, I understand why the sheep feel the way they do. It’s hard not to see someone or something that has tried to eat you as vicious, no matter what their reasons. However, I agree with Jack. To say that the wolves deserve cruel deaths just because they’re carnivorous animals and can’t survive unless they kill and consume other animals is unfair to the wolves. After all, they didn’t get to choose what they need to survive.
Hunger looks a lot like evil when you're on the menu.
The sheep can never be unfair to the wolves like the wolves have been unfair to the sheep. Keep your wokescold to yourself.
@@alienbastards No, you just walked yourself into a corner there.
Wolves are not cruel. You, however, are, and are probably of the same oafs who think celebrating death of a CEO and encourages more of that. There is no good to come about celebrating a death like this. They were just trying to live, and nature dictates that they die because they couldn't find their food in time. Welcome. To nature. You child.
@@alienbastards neither is unfair. there is no objective fairness, only objective reality. fairness is a subjective assessment we choose to enforce because we are moral creatures. its not a "wokescold". its basic philosophy and to many, common sense
1:44 as should
Why would you keep to yourself the happiness that comes from surviving more day. I wouldn't keep it to myself. I would be relieved to see that the wolf died. Definitely wouldnt say " I hope he suffered" that's going too far in my opinion, but surely I wouldn't keep to myself
@@dianareis9624 The sheep are always fearful of the wolf when it the end it is the shepherd that eats them.
To say you find pleasure in the wolf's outcome but that can just as likely be said the same about you
@@dianareis9624 That's not the problem, the problem is "i Hope it SUFFER", not even predators like us wish suffering or the worst for our prey, And sometimes it's good to keep quiet
Empathy I feel is a confusing thing to some people. Expressing understanding to something that isn’t even worth being understood is viewed by most as frivolous, but when you do, you can understand things that you would never be able to in the first place. In addition to that, I find that empathy also puts you at odds with the people around you because they don’t understand it, and I find that this short shows that
It one of the more sad things as human are the reason wolfs an many animals are in the situation their in now. Yet no matter how much we try to help there only so much we can do with the state of things.
I passed this childish lack of perspectives, and just don’t care about both parties
@@gsamalot
If it wasn’t humans it would be something else who care? Get over it it’s part of nature
@@laitdejabot9890 and here we have someone that thinks they're enlightened, kinda funny to see honestly. Lack of care and ignorance does not make you 'better' or 'smarter', you just look like an fool
@@laitdejabot9890 Found the 14yo. Aint it past your bedtime lil bro?
Someone said it on the original comic, I think, but I also wanna point out how Big Jack doesn't ask the sheep to straight up feel bad for the wolf or sympathize with it. He understands there's a complicated dynamic there, where they both want to live at the obligated expense of the other, but he doesn't want to hear them gloat about the death of a creature that, as far as they know, doesn't kill out of sadism or pleasure (within the comic).
I also have to wonder if it makes him think a little, how if he was less fortunate, the flock he's protecting would wish him a painful, lonely death, too.
Maybe, but having others wishing a painful lonely death isn't nearly as awful as living in the fear that at any moment you or your children could experience it at the hands of a merciless predator. Even if he isn't asking them to understand he still demands they keep silent, reminding them subtly that he isn't too different and has the capacity to harm them as well.
@@ajregalia1334 your use of the description "merciless predator" has some deep connotations. If we were talking of a human, who is not an obligate carnivore and is instead an omnivore tool user with a sophisticated level of intelligence, philosophy and community compared to all other animals, your words make a stronger moral point about fear and expressing it.
But when talking about a wolf, you are missing the dog's point entirely. The wolf cannot offer mercy to its prey for it's own survival and that of the pack. Why should its death be favored over the prey's? Why should it defy the rules of nature and the cycle of the ecosystem, when prey animals must be eaten to keep their populations in check as to not over consume the plants? To live is to eat, and when we no longer live, we are to be eaten by the dirt and bugs, replenishing the soil and returning our nutrients. All things want survival, but life is not guaranteed to anyone.
Humans are animals, yes, and we often fail to reconcile that truth with our reality. But humans also have qualities other animals do not possess that give us alternative options for maintaining ecosystems, and thus allow us to express "mercy" more often than we used to as hunter-gatherers.
Agribusiness is the cruelty, not respectful hunting for food and craft material, in moderation and to meet community needs.
But at the end of the day, who cares *why* the wolf does what it does? It still eats the sheep's loved ones, so why should it hold back? This is one of their only ones of actually fighting back against their predators, and even then it's already dead
@@ajregalia1334those predators often experience the same fear. Rival predators and even herbivores will kill their children to get rid of competition .
Agreed. Man so many commenters here miss the point. it’s not about needing to feel bad for the wolf, it’s about giving another perspective. not everything has to be black and white, sympathy or none. Media literacy is a dying things nowadays.
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You cant fault the wolf for hunting. But you cant fault the sheep for being glad there is one less hunter
fr like i get the message but it really feels like the dog is just projecting himself onto the wolf and taking the insults personally, when most creatures would be happy that if someone or something that wanted to eat and kill them and their family, i think if the dog had a natural predator and was at risk of dying every day and night he too would also be happy that one of the things hunting it and its family is dead
It was the 'I hope it suffered' comment that definitely crossed the line from pragmatism to moral righteousness. Everything before was just undertones that might have been harmless, but trying to declare the wolf as evil for just wanting to eat... that's too far
I LOVE the tone shift right after 0:17!!!
He's giving a soldier's speech.
Hate is dominant on the battlefield, but when the dust settles, in the end the enemy is just like you, doing his job or what needs to be done.
I'm not sure the metaphor works because the sheep are less like soldiers and more like civilians. Civilians who have watched enemy troops slaughter their friends and family while being powerless to defend themselves. And are now being told by an "ally" soldier to be silent with a casual reminder he has a gun as well and it is only the chain of command that stops him from enacting similar cruelty. Plus the dynamics of enemies vs predator/prey is a bit different
@@ajregalia1334 It falls apart when you read into it as much as you have here and remember the whole "eating to survive" thing. The point OP is trying to make is that we are all just surviving.
@@garden_creature I get that, I just think it's pretty messed up to silence the ones that "have" to be eaten in that dynamic. The sheep aren't hurting the wolves but the wolves are hurting the sheep. The sheep aren't enemies, they're victims and prey. So telling them their celebration is wrong or cruel feels a touch dismissive.
The wolves have no reason to hate the sheep but the sheep have good reason to hate the wolves
@@ajregalia1334that pretty much sums up this whole comic. Petfoolery Just needs to stick the light-hearted stories, because this attempt at philosophy doesn't hold up
@@ajregalia1334 Excellent points, I'd like to add one more thing. Yes, while carnivores DO need to kill to survive, they enjoy doing it too. They play with their prey before killing it. It only makes sense that what is good for survival is rewarded by their body. As the sheep said, they can't help but be cruel. Why feel bad for them when they will not feel bad for having to kill you? In fact they will do it gleefully and proud of themselves?
"Not applying human morality to nature" goes both ways. While we can't expect empathy from them, we should not feel empathy for killing them in self defense either. They enjoy doing what it takes to survive. So should you, if it comes to it.
The cast's acting is astonishingly good. Every inflection, every little bit of tone is spot on, and Jack just radiates anger, and understanding, and a wounded compassion. It's perfect.
He knows his truth, he knows himself, and he knows that he is not supposed to be there, but he was able to play his role, and he regrets this matter and the difference in his outlook.
I wouldn't say he regrets his role. I feel that he only regrets the fact that other creatures like the wolf don't have the same opportunity.
@@linkblade0 I will tell you something. He is sad because he gave up his freedom. A wolf can become a dog, but it is not the other way around. Getting rid of something is not the same as having it come back. He looks at my kidneys and I look confused. Is what he did right or not? He has gained something, but he has lost the most important thing, his freedom. He is tied to the shepherd.
@@thekingofdarkness4722 What is the purpose of freedom? Genuinely.
You are free when you are jobless, you are free when you are homeless, and you are free when you are all by yourself. And yet, I'm not sure you're any better for it. You're putting the cart before the horse. The purpose of freedom is not to be untied to anything or anyone but to freely choose what you tie yourself down to. And who knows? The dog may just be happy with his shepard, after all.
@@thekingofdarkness4722 He could reasonably just leave, Dogs have bred with wolves before. He stays because it what he is "meant" to do
There’s no “his” truth, only truth.
This is such a brilliant short with phenomenal voice acting.
I'm so glad I stumbled on this.
Wolves are dogs ancient cousins. They may be so different in appearance but their souls are one and the same the difference is dogs descended from wolves that humans took in to benefit both lives symbiotically. Wolves stayed in the forest.
We see it today when dogs are left to fend for themselves they very quickly regress because they never lost those instincts their cousins posessed. We made their fur softer, their faces cuter, their temperaments more docile but in their souls they are still wolves.
I absolutely love dogs. I love wolves too. So this short gets top marks from me.
Good comic, but as I replied to someone here, It's really easy to demand empathy if you're not the one in risk of death AND having no means to defend yourself.
It's good to see it from the "enemy'' perspective, and understanding that nobody deserves to die because of how they are born, but if his death means my survival, I'll be happy sure.
but that doesn't mean you should wish suffering or a cruel death on them as the first sheep says it doesn't matter how it dies the end result is the same.
@bigshot103 And yet the wolves don’t just wish death on the sheep, they actively kill them.
notice how Jack calls the wolf "he" while the sheep call em' "it"
I think this scene is fantastically written. The way that its just snow, the herd, Jack, and the dead wolf, all caked in a thick white gives it such a dramatic and impactful feel. The way that Jack never says anything about the wolf and never gives his opinion on what happened to the wolf is such a perfect addition as it makes his point hit all the harder. Just like him they are doing what they have to... And the way he doesn't judge the herd for finding pleasure in the wolf's death only tells them to keep it to themselves. I love it!
He is judging them in that though. Maybe he didn't intend it as such but reminding them that his Master and the convenience of easily accessible food is the only thing saving them from him, his unspoken anger over this"poor" creature that has been slaughtering them, and justifying the sheep's deaths and the deaths of their children as the wolf just trying to survive...even if it's true it still feels cruel.
Silencing their celebration because it makes him uncomfortable, while he gets to sleep in a cozy home every time he does they and their families are at risk of being killed. Like he's telling/reminding them it's their place to be prey and that he isn't there to be the sheep's friend.
I agree it's fantastically written though! I just got something different out of it.
@@ajregalia1334 "He gets to sleep in warm house" livestock guarding dogs are NOT kept in the house. They are with livestock 24/7 and that is their job. A dog like that would go crazy in the house. And nowhere did he blame the sheep for thinking that way, he just put things into perspective which can seem pretty rude and rough when you are stuck in certain beliefs. Yes, the sheep are trying to survive, but so is the wolf. For every sheep this dog saves, the wolves lose a meal which could mean a difference between life and death. The same goes for predator/prey interactions in the wild, only this is more complicated because there is a third party involved-humans with their guarding dogs. Without a dog, however, the sheep would be done for and the dog is actually acknowledging all the intervention he does in natural order of things.
@leavrhovec4992 That's something I didn't know about livestock guard dogs. (Though I also have read in other comments they have been bred not to eat sheep even when starving and actually have a lot of animosity for wolves)
And you can say they are "stuck" in their beliefs I think it more accurate to say they are stuck in their reality. Wolves kill them, wolves kill their friends, their family and offspring. And they themselves have no way to fight back or even defend themselves. The wolves add nothing good to the sheep's lives, while for the wolves the sheep offer sustenance and for Jack both offer him a job which gives his owner reason to keep him fed. Them having understanding it's out of necessity doesn't change the fear of living that kind of reality, of living being prey.
Imagine a mother sheep watching her lamb torn to pieces, not even having time to grieve if she's worried for her other offspring or her own life on that moment, being told to have understanding for the creature that killed and ate her kid. Or a sheep who's brother was eaten and himself maimed and scarred. A lamb growing up without parents because they were eaten trying to protect it.
That being their reality for generations, I can see why they'd be stuck in their animosity. Understanding wouldn't serve them in the slightest. All it does is give them pause to trust their protector since, as he said, he really isn't all that different.
Natural order seems really profound when you're not at the bottom of that hierarchy. And I'm not so dense not to know that living in fear of starvation is a reality for the wolves. (I wouldn't blame them if they had a similar animosity for the dog keeping their cubs from being fed or the human)
Just...what Jack said may not have been rude but it didn't acknowledge the fear and powerlessness of living as prey. But that makes sense, he isn't prey. He's a domesticated predator.
I also like how it shows that the sheep, in their sheltered cowardice, are even more nasty-hearted than the wolves.
I mean, it's different when you're the sheep. If I were the sheep, I probably wouldn't have been happy that he died, but then you have the situation where these sheep are just scared for their lives. The sheep have understandable animosity. They don't know all that much about the wolves. All they know is that the wolves attack them. They may not even know that the wolves eat meat because they are herbivores, and I've been around herbivores for a while. But even then, they may see the wolves as cruel because of how they kill them: they essentially bite into their necks and don't even try to find a more humane way of doing it. The way they die is bound to be incredibly painful. Not only do they die in an incredibly painful way, but their family members, loved ones, etc., die as well. It's not sheltered cowardice; it's fear and terror resulting from being treated like dirt. No one intended to treat anyone like dirt, but they were treated like dirt nonetheless. They, in and of themselves, have been suffering, and thus they became more nasty-hearted. So, it's not really sheltered cowardice; it's actually fear for their lives. They’re basically forced to hate them and resent the wolves because their lives are always at risk from them, as well as other predators like hyenas and carnivores.
I can’t judge them for the way they think, because let's say someone is told, "I'm going to kill you if you don’t kill someone else." Now, the future victim has no idea why they’re being killed, all they know is that someone is threatening to kill them. It’s like a soldier in a war, basically being told they have to kill a civilian or they could die by their own government's hands. So what do they do? They go out and kill people, including civilians, making the lives of their victims terrible. If all the soldiers are threatened like this, then at least for a lot of them, killing innocent people becomes their reality. So, when they get up and go about their day and their lives, the victims hate that person, are happy that they're dead, and view this person as an evil monster. It’s not because the person was trying to survive, but because they came to attack. The victims don’t know that this person was threatened for their life. All they know is that he came to attack them. If they’re crueler, it’s because they’ve grown crueler due to their experiences. Even if one of them has empathy, it’s fully possible that they might actually think it’s better off that the attacker is dead because more predators mean more danger for them. They might be happy, or relieved or neither but still think it's for the best, not because they don’t like him or resent him, but because when they think about it, they realize someone else would have had to die if he lived. This isn’t a good way to feel in the slightest, but it’s a pretty sad situation that they’re in.
You can hear the wolves mourning…
I always just hear coyotes hunting where I am
I live in chechnya and we hear that every night
1:17
@Chechenia_Noaxchi I love Khamzat
The sheep don’t know why they are being cared for lol.
Respect to all my Anatolian Shepherds and wolves out there🫡🐺
That was chilling. The repressed anger in Jacks voice, the emotions are just flowing with every word he speaks. This was great👏👏👏.
The lamb from the first comic comes up to jack, he’s a little older now but not yet is he an adult.
Jack: why are you here little ‘un? You’ve warmer places to be
Lamb: I just feel sorry for him, it’s like I’m seeing you dead there in the snow, even though I know you’re fine
Jack: yeah, I feel sorry for him too. But I don’t feel sorry for defending you lot from ‘em, lamb: I never think that you do big jack.
And so little Timmy learned that day that men don't think racist things, they do them. And they lived happily ever after.
The only difference between a dog and a wolf…is where its food comes from.
Well wolves are also much more intelligent and shy
@@Kanasubigi896? Domesticating an animal makes the intelligence of said animal become closer to the intelligence of the animal domesticating them, compared to their wild counterpart. Canis lupus familiaris subspecies members are generally ever so slightly smarter than Canis lupus lupus subspecies members.
I remember the author said they had him alone to emphasize his loneliness in this ideal but thought about keeping the baby sheep first.
I said the baby sheep being kept could've showed his early start to wisdom like the shepherd dog
DAAAAAAMN, why this thing hits so hard?
I have to say, the acent of the dog, and his serene personality are great to admire and i absolutly love it.
You know? I would actually love to see more characters like this in a more complex history
The dog we keep as a pet
Yeah, no, THESE dogs aren't house pets.
They're bred for large fields to guard livestock and tackle packs of cyotes and/or wolves. They're well built, have lushes loose fur to keep them warm through winter but also protect their skin from nipping from coyotes. Bold, territorial, and if not properly trained can and WILL eat off a farmer's livestock. They will fight untill their last breathe is taken from them... and even chase foes down way pass their territory just to finish the job.
So again the only thing separating this dog from a wolf, is that the dog doesn't go to bed starving
@@sabertoothno34lotta yapping, still a pet
breath* is the noun, breathe is the verb
wolf are made for hunt and live on the survival while dogs are made to live and protect humans... if the live they are likely to die since wolf fur, fangs, paws, skull, etc. is thicker to protect and attack... since the beginning dog are raised to protect humans and humans protect them. a loner wolf have way more chance in survival than a loner dog
You can really feel the emotion in his words AND performance. Masterfully done!
At 1:50 I don’t know if it’s just me, but does the hoof prints not look like the word “wolf”?
Actually yeah
To me it looks like help
@@charlesstiens5629I do see that as well
To me I also see a pucture of wolves in the prints
I think it looks more like help
Some deserve forever compassion, strength, bravery, hope, agility and immortal, some don't.
There is no good or evil, just survival.
@SirSamTheTank
There surely is Good and Evil...
Take this outside of the confines of an example where animals are anthropomorphized... And dogs and sheep speak, and then ask. Does Good and Evil exist in humans
@neilpace bro obviously there are evil humans, duh. I'm talking about wildlife. Ya know, the thing we watched?
@@SirSamTheTank the use of duh is helpful... If that gives you a dopamine hit... Okay
@@SirSamTheTank wildlife? Is that what we were watching? Talking dogs and sheep... Right. Obviously. Duh. What was I thinking....
I remember my Dad telling me about a Bengal Tiger that ate 17 villagers over a 3 year period.... But my Dad didn't blame him, the Tiger... Because he's just an animal following impulses. But then the Tiger came into the village Square and started quoting Nietzsche, and Mein Kamph and trying to get the people to invest crypto currency into a pyramid scheme.... Then the villagers were thinking, "Dudes, THIS cat is bad News! I am pretty sure he's even Evil." But my dad reminded me that Tigers are wild life.... So, not evil. But still... There's that talking Tiger thing.
It turned out fine really... He changed his name from Sanjeev, to Tony the Tiger and got a contract for Frosted Flakes and he's rich.
Jack knows he's got the easy life. He may still have to work hard, but when it comes down to it, he'll outlive entire generations of wolves.
Jack quietly reminding everyone “i am your protector but dont think of me as a friend”
i think he is not saying that he is not a friend to the sheep but more so that if circumstances were different he might not be.
Considering the farmer could pick one of them out for a lamb dinner and give Jack a few cuts as a treat, rightfully so.
Which is really stupid if you knew anything about livestock guardian dogs
@@Spider-Man2094
Shepherd dogs are NEVER fed with the animals they protect
@@gold8857You are not well traveled meat is meat and to save cost many farmers in my country feed thr dogs from what they once protected
I love how jack has no hatred for the wolves because he understands that they need to hunt to survive
Well in fairness wolves haven't hunted him or his family, I have to wonder if him seeing his pup stolen away and devoured by a wolf and not just feeling but being utterly powerless to stop it but rather living in fear it could be another of his family or even himself next would give him more animosity.
@@ajregalia1334 did you forget that wolfs also can be scared? Like death by human hunter, death by bigger animals, death by other wolf pact, death by thirst or in this case death by hunger
@@UrošRajković-e7e Not at all, and like the sheep I wouldn’t blame the wolves if they hated humans or even Jack for denying them food while them and their cubs starve. I’m not being critical of the wolves
@@ajregalia1334 from reading all comments you said, you sure look like you are blaming tham
@@UrošRajković-e7e My mixed feelings are not of the wolves but of Jack and his speech. And it’s not so much that what he said was wrong. Just from a sheep’s perspective it’s pretty scary. He’s supposed to be their protector and they even considered him a friend, nothing like the wolves. He drew a distinction that he isn’t their friend, he’s their keeper and has more in common with the wolves than them. Were I a sheep in that situation I don’t think I could feel safe around Jack anymore when he makes it clear his owner keeping him fed is the only reason he isn’t turning his fangs on me or my kin. And they already didn’t feel safe with the wolves around, but they are powerless in the face of either. They just have to live in fear and hope Jack stays fed or a wolf doesn’t get past him. (Heck, with his sympathizing they might start fearing that if worse came to worse he might even side with the wolves, he certainly isn’t siding with them)
Keep 'em coming boss. Love them
Hey Microfaun, love your work. Hope to see more of big jack!
Jack knows the meaning of the word *_Respect_*
Daggum. The comic was deep when I read it on Webtoons, but your dub gave it a whole new level. Props to you my guy.
Idk who these VAs are, but they are absolutely incredible, the style of this series of comics is super cool, I've seen it a few times around the internet but never checked it before, glad I did it with this video
That's simply awesome! That brilliant dubbing makes the stills seem moving. No less crazy than some anime level stuff!
The voice actors on this fucking thing are insane
Top shelf talent
This… This is the same account that makes the Pixie and Brutus comics?…
Holy fuck why are you everywhere?
Yup same artist and posted on their same Instagram account
Ikr!
Omg
Their range is pretty impressive
I've heard a few different voices for Big Jack and this one is honestly the best. Can't hear him any other way.
CLOCK THEIR TEA JACK
Best voice acting I've heard in a while, well done chaps.
I've come back to this video and the comic so many times, it always give me the chills and such a good message.
IMHO your interpretation of Jack's voice is the best one.
Maybe I'm weird, but it feels fitting for the herding dog and his flock to have an accent (Scottish?)
The accent adds to his atmosphere of pragmatism and stoicism.
there's three accents that i think would fit herding dogs pretty well, and Scottish was one of them, the other was Australian and the last is suprisingly Italian, due to me remembering my time with my grandparents maremma herding dog in a dairy and chicken ranch high up in Bergamo Italy
Jesus its about 2025 and you dumb americans are still acting like everyone else has an accent? I bet you still believe you are a melting pot too!
This is the 2nd dub of this comic I've seen, and my favorite part is how fitting the accents are for their speech AND roles. I also appreciate the voice actress's parts, everyone did their roles perfectly!
Thought one of the sheep was gonna be saying “you’re one of the good ones” to Jack
I mean, basically? That's kinda the idea that Jack was growling against.
Its basically like that though
It was already said with how they worded it
"You aren't like that-" is saying he's "one of the good ones." The sheep are aware that he's a carnivore capable of hurting them too, but he doesn't. They just don't see the reason WHY.
I don't think he's "one of the good ones" if he thinks wishing bad things over one's dead enemy is the same as the said enemy coming to kill one of them and them having to live in fear of that every day of their lives, or at least enough of a reason to threaten them with him turning and doing something like that to them..
If he truly was a protector he should know where they are coming from.
@AkairoKaminari he does know where they are coming from, but he also knows where the wolf is coming from.
Yes, those sheep live in fear, but to insult the wolf and call it a monster for doing what it has to do to survive is making it personal. Hunting isn't personal, it's just survival... if the wolf was a "monster" and "vicious" like they oh so claimed then the wolf wouldn't pick off just one of them, it'd kill multiple.
It's insulting to just label carnivores as monsters... you do realize those sheep would label US the same if they saw what we do to their kin and fellow farm animals right? Do you see all humans as monsters for needing to eat meat? For mass breeding and killing animals, even though we try to give them the best life possible before they have to take their last breath? Do you think we're monsters for how we used to hunt as well?
Next time look at the meat on your plate and asked yourself... "Are you a monster for needing to eat?"
Omg, you are my favourite dub of the Big Jack comic, I'm so glad to see part 2 is out too
If your bodyguard starts becoming sympathetic to those who want you dead you'd better find a bigger bodyguard quick! 😂
Jack basically went: "If you are gunna wish death on ANY creature, then do it where I can't hear ya, cause I DONT WANNA HEAR IT"
the ones that deserved be wished upon are the ones that takes enjoyment on the suffering of others, who is sadistic (most humans and some other primates and some dolphins... and many ants.. and well you got the point)
Fr
Man stories like these are scarce to make analogies towards something simple to something greater and it ashamed people have little to media literacy or maturity to truly appreciate stuff like this
Edit: I think I was trying to say we don't get enough deep fable stories like these anymore I can see this as an analogy towards poverty we see homeless people as crazy and unhinged but there this way due to circumstances that are out of there control allow them to be this way but any of us who are well off or decently well off would just become as unhinged we were in there place
i suggest you read more books then. because this topic has been well covered for the last 100 years
@Bgh583 I mean I'm aware of that I'm trying saying a lot stories aren't made nowadays or at least they don't get that much attention and sure once I gain the patient to read and the attention span to read
@@Bgh583 yes it has been...a hundred years ago.
Lately? Not so much.
Several hundred years ago, a wolf was ravening through the Italian countryside. The locals were up in arms, since they had been unable to kill it.
But before the townsfolk could go to war on this animal, the man known as St. Francis of Assisi was consulted.
And St. Francis agreed to speak to the wolf, to find out why it was attacking and get it to stop. So the saint went up into the hills and summoned the wolf, asking the question why? The wolf told him that all the prey had been driven off and he was alone and hungry. So Francis asked him to follow, as he had a solution.
Into the center of town walks St Francis, with the wolf walking as peacefully by his side as any pet.
The saint speaks: this wolf is not evil, but hungry, as all the prey has been driven away. He promises that so long as you feed him, he will not attack any of you or your flocks. If all in the village take feeding this wolf in turn, no one will be overburdened. Are we agreed?
The townsfolk agreed, and from that day to the end of the wolf's life, he was fed by the entire town and the wolf and the people lived peacefully together, and the wolf became as tame as any dog. When the wolf died, the town mourned. And all learned a lesson in kindness.
I don't think the kids are told these stories anymore, but this was the first thing I thought of.
Kudos to the author.
@@marieroberts5664 you are talking out your ass
beautiful writing, incredible dialogue, love animation and most of all; i really really really loved the moral questions this poses about the "Us vs Them" and the need to survive. we dont choose where or to whom we are born, we come into this world kicking and screaming and perhaps rightfully so
Brutal honesty at its best love it
DUDE I LOVE THE VOICE OF THE SHEEP, THE MALE ONE, I DONT KNOW WHY I JUST LOVE IT
Underated Masterpiece. 20/10 Dialogue writing. 12/10 Voice acting (the sheep sounds generic but that's fine tbh but the sheepdog sounds amazing)
“But we, we don’t want to die either cannibal,” said the wild Ram whose horns still dripped with warm blood. The Ram then said “you say these words to my withered kind but I know that you cannibalize many like them from other farms and these sheep will one day be eaten by the tall ones. But unlike you, I am free”.
"You call me cannibal as if your brother's blood doesn't stain your horns as much as mine does. You call it freedom. I call it a life of fear and watching over your shoulder for the jaws that will eventually claim you. Are you really foolish enough to think yourself better than the sheep I protected? Are you really foolish enough to think your life has any more value than anyone else's?"
A few minutes after the Sheep leave.
Big Jack: He one of yours?
Alpha: (sits across from Jack) Yes.
Big Jack: I’m sorry, Truly.
Alpha: … don’t be, it’s the natural order of things.
Big Jack: nothin natural about being forced from your home, and watch your prey be driven off.
Alpha: Maybe… or maybe Nature has decreed that our time is done… the strongest survive after all, and there ain’t none stronger than those you call, Master.
Big Jack: … how can ya be so resigned to it?
Alpha: I’ve always trusted in nature’s will, since I was a pup, it’s kept me alive… if it’s nature’s will that we give way to those you call Master… who am I to argue, I’ am as bound to Nature’s laws as you or them… in time, they will experience the same, either another will come along and remind them they are NOT invincible, or they will face a challenge too great to overcome.
(Looks up)
Alpha: will you say then as well, that it isn’t natural?
Big Jack: … why tell me this?
Alpha: you offered words of wisdom to our younguns once before, you show respect to our fallen (get’s up to leave) I simply wished to return the favour (walks off)
Big Jack: … (looks down at corpse of young wolf) … Snow will cover you soon friend… sleep now, you’ve earned it (returns to duty).
@@commandercritic9036 damn dude. I am saving this post. This is well written and worthy of a new comic!
That's awesome!
OMG! This is so good I feel like it's the actual continuation to the comic, Good job!
Hermoso
Absolute cinema
Another masterpiece. Another short animation packed with wisdom. I hope it finds the audience it deserves.
I agree with the dog, but if the sheep says "good for us he's dead" I think that's fair enough, I mean, it's a fact the sheep would be in danger if the wolf was alive
I can't blame any of them, not even the sheep, they're just animals after all.
The weird thing is; the sheep being absolute cunts makes sense. There's nothing more monstrously spiteful than an herbivore. It's how they're wired to survive. Something that eats meat will have the sense to back off from a fight, but when something that chews grass for calories squares up, the only mindset is "either I'm your calories or you're fertilizing the grass" and there is no in between. It's why the water buffalo in Africa are called widowmakers, and why the moose is the most dangerous animal in North America. If they think you're trying to eat 'em, they'll try to take you with them to hell.
Oof. Wow. That fekkin' hit HARD and DEEP; I felt that in my soul... 😦😣
Cuz Big Jack is absolutely right. Who can blame him for taking offense to the sheeps' pragmatic and spiteful remarks? And yet, all the while, he maintains an air of composure, wisdom, and respect that is COMmanded but not DEmanded - respect for the order of Nature AND for his (would-be) enemies. 😌
As he spoke, I'll bet that the irony of Big Jack being a descendant of the wolf - of being a closely-related carnivore himself, albeit domesticated - must have hit the flock like a punch to the gut. 😖
Mad props to him. 🧐✨🫡
Oh man, when I saw this comic, I was so excited for when you'd dub it! Great work!
"Do you know what kind of creature waits for his own slaughter? ... Sheep "
-Appolyon 2017
There are LAYERS to this. They just explained so much that I didn't think a lot of people caught. There's a visual narrative being used, and the dialogue explains a serious and consistent top-down issue. Way to address multiple problems and attitudes in 2 minutes.
If i was born a sheep and i lose family members because of a wolf, of course i would be spiteful too.
Jack doesn’t understand because he can defend himself unlike the sheep
Humans eat sheep too.
Good job completely missing the point, morons.
The wolf didn't choose his life any more than the sheep chose theirs.
It's pointless and stupid to hate someone or something for being what it was made to be.
And Jack understands that there really isn't that much of a difference between himself and the wolf.
Jack understands that not having to kill to eat is a luxury that can be taken away from him at any moment.
What kind of monster will you become when the luxuries that you take for granted are taken from you?
Pray that you can stay as soft, stupid, and protected as those sheep.
jack just wants them to understand the perspective of the wolf.
@@bigshot103 you are subscribed to jubilee, aren't you?
Amen, brother.
Amen
Just when I thought I couldn’t have any more respect for Jack….then this drops.
This is a master piece of an audio experience of this comic
The voice acting does has any right to be this good.
Love the voice acting. I said this before on the last one, but the voices fit the characters so well.
This was a nice sequel ❤
It shows that even though he was willing to kill them the night before, he still respects them and their lives. Not enough hero like him ❤
I needed to sit in silence after watching this. It was so good
Loved this. Clicked on it because I thought it was a different video, one where the dog argues with the wolf about their predicament - the wolf has to kill to survive, but the dog has a duty to protect the sheep. Great discussion, and this is a worthy followup.
the difference is that they don't really think like us haha
This reminds me of this quote from a Borderlands character, a robot, forgot his name, but it goes something like this:
"I'm neither man nor woman, but both deserve more respect than you."
It's probably Zer0
@@zeeb2190 that’s actually FL4K!! I’m a huge Borderlands nerd :3
I don't think Jack is very understand here neither. Sure he is right, but it's much less complicated to the sheep. To them the wolf is much more of a threat than it is to a dog. To them it's a monster that snatches their friends, their children and relatives at night, something that can snatch them any time too. Some of them probably have already felt loss of a dear friend, or a sister, a brother or even a son or daughter. The others who didn't, they just saw the mourning of another sheep and felt empathy. They are in fear for their life, it's really easy to start hating wolves really
While this is true, and the perspective of the sheep is to be considered. They are ignorant of the fact that a wolf and a domesticated dog are the same thing, one is just easier to discipline, usually. The sheep's perspective ignores that their protector is the same thing they taunt and cheer at the death of. This is what the dog is getting at. His "keep it to yourself" is him saying to stop insulting the very thing that made him what he is. To stop insulting his siblings.
Is a wolf a monster, if one of them or a relative is keeping away the other monsters?
@ghoulishgoober3122 Fair enough
@@arimfoxer3889honestly a stray dog can cause a lot more trouble with livestock because they will attack viciously anything even if they don't need it hungry drives them crazy around prey wolfs just take one and leave
@@arimfoxer3889you missed the point? Why hate on someone just surviving?
@@justice_of_UA-cam, because this "someone" is a predator that would eat your corpse/your kid alive/eventually anyone you love?
It's natural to hate someone who is an absolute threat. Hate makes you angry and the angry prey may kill some predators to protect the others.
RIP wolf😢
Very intricate and well made comic, the Sheppard dog, speaks truth, very much needed these days😮😊
It’s so neet. One of the best animations I seen for last year.
I agree that finding pleasure in anyone's death should be looked down upon, but it's pretty understandable for the sheep to feelthat way. They live in constant fear, their only defense a single dog, It's odd that Jack makes excuses for the wolves' state of being, but not the sheep.
And as if there isn't plenty of other woodland creatures for these "poor wolves" to find and feast on, they only hunt the sheep because it's easy pickins. Even if Jack was "trying to live", I'd hope he would stoop to such a position of weakness.
I wonder what turn the story is gonna take if the owner hires one of those Donkeys they're involving as well in sheep guarding
I mean... fair enough for them not wanting to be eaten by a wolf. If the wolf can eat them, they can be happy that they didn't get eaten.
Dog really said « never forget , we was kangz » but wolf/dog version
Accents made this 10x better
While the Dog, the side defending them, makes a very good point, he is telling the Sheep, the side being killed with no way to defend themselves, to feel sympathy for the Wolf, the side killing them. While I understand it as an allegory it doesn't really work for the actual sheep, are they supposed to think "Oh no this wolf is killing me, but he is just hungry, so I guess I should be ok with that" they have every reason to be happy that there is one less wolf out there.
You can be fine with one less wolf out there and not gloat about it-and by gloating about it, you damage your own humanity. That's the point.
@@CEMonaghanOfficialbut how does gloating about it affects the sheep negatively? With humans this idea works because we benefit from peace and proper relationships even with our enemies, by not dehumanizing others we can argue against them dehumanizing us, reducing harm and cruelty this way, but how does that apply to the sheep?
@@CEMonaghanOfficial And the point I am making is that sheep are not humans. It works as an allegory of war for us, but it doesn't apply at all for the sheep themselves.
@@Ducilios Except it does because it's a fable which means they are anthropomorphized and made into people, and real sheep and dogs don't speak irl. Do you understand basic media literacy, my guy?
@@CEMonaghanOfficial My guy, I am arguing the speech doesn't work in universe because it doesn't, it works for us the reader as a metaphor for war but not for the actual characters in the story. This will be the third time I say I understand the metaphor here, so I am questioning your reading comprehension.
Honestly, I don't think the sheep are entirely in the wrong here. Their whole lives they live in fear, unable to fight back as their bodies are weak and not designed to fight but run. This is essentially their only way of throwing a punch. Whether it's disrespectful or spiteful to make fun of a dead creature, it's absolutely understandable.
The guardian dog is so quick to judge the sheep for wanting to live in peace. It’s strange that he talks about the “other side” of canines but not the “other side” of predator vs prey
But that’s what the sheepdog is there for, he’s the punch. Not everyone needs to throw punches, nor is the ability to throw punches inherently good. It is good if used correctly, to protect. And throwing punches inherently vindictiveness isn’t actually protecting anything, just satiating anger.
So you think feeding your anger through sadistic pleasure as a form of coping mechanism is ok?
Look.
Call me biased.. But that does not seem like a mindset suitable.
Believe me.. I am glad to he alive, I am not glad it is at expense of other beings.
I do not want or need anger through petty disrespect and antagonization to ruin me.
Being Blind to my mistakes is not rare nor is it immoral but sure can end up that way if limits are pushed.
@@corbanbausch9049yeah, thats why the police is there for finding your missing child, but you still feel frustrated not capable doing anything to help. It doesnt matter if someone does the job. Just thinking that something is out of control makes someone mad.
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Wanting to live in peace is not the same as wishing suffering upon a creature condemned to its nature
And that’s why he’s a good dog
A good dog dosent spend empathy for an enemy of his master
Idk man I think one can do better than to threaten the lives of those they are supposed to protect
Fantastic art, and make more of this dog character and the stories in the universe