Community Priorities for Future Content from CA - Total War: Warhammer 3 Immortal Empires

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  • @MidnightBlackandVictoria
    @MidnightBlackandVictoria 5 місяців тому +40

    They had the perfect format- Do a Chaos/Villain and two factions oppossed to them. Throne of Decay was the way to go. Why fix whats not broken?

    • @josephdoria5237
      @josephdoria5237 5 місяців тому +4

      From CA’s perspective, that format *is* broken. The first time they tried it out with SOC they released one of the most poorly-received DLCs in Total War history, mostly because people were outraged with the price tag.
      Three-faction DLCs take too long to develop for CA’s liking, and the community has decreed that they’re not worth $25 anyway. Ergo, they’re going back to releasing 2-faction DLC because they’re both faster to produce and cheaper to price.
      To be fair, I don’t think the format itself was truly broken (as evidenced by the critical and financial success of TOD) but it did lead to increased development times and long hiatuses that are likely incompatible with CA’s business model.

    • @revanlord05
      @revanlord05 5 місяців тому +2

      From a business standpoint, that format *_is_* broken. In CA's eyes, they want less time on production, make less content, and sell it high. However, that is what angered the community with SoC. Why buying a DLC, that took so long, that has less content that promised, for a price of that of an indie game? They had to cave in to the demands and supply in ToD, but it isn't what they want.
      The chances are that they're going to be back to what it used to be in WH2. Two Lords, Two Subfactions format.

    • @Tentacl
      @Tentacl 5 місяців тому +6

      @@revanlord05 Well duh. From a customer stand point I want high quality, high quantity and FREE.
      I don't give a flying fudge about what EA or SEGA WANTS. They can start being competitive or just bankrupt for all I care. We as player base are WAY too used to bend over to companies trying to keep epicemic profit levels when it was OBVIOUSLY not a permanent thing.

    • @happycompy
      @happycompy 5 місяців тому

      @@Tentacl Agreed.

    • @MidnightBlackandVictoria
      @MidnightBlackandVictoria 5 місяців тому

      @@Tentacl Yeah. Except maybe the free part. I don't mind paying if its WORTH the asking price. SOC wasnt imo....But thrones WAS worth it.
      Throughout the lifecycle of game one and two, there was ALWAYS something going on. The hype for one paid DLC would be just starting to die off and bam- An FLC LL trailer hits. Often with celebrities doing the VAs. I have to wonder- did the massive success of one or two test what they could mentally handle and they failed? Did the success go to their heads and make them lazy? Who knows....I just know that the passion REALLY fizzled with game 3. Now I KNOW there was some non-gaming related drama behind the scenes, but that shouldnt have caused THIS much of a stall.
      Thrones felt like a return to form. Maybe it was you all holding their feet to the fire (Me too) but it seemed like the old CA, fired up and passionately working as much as possible to make it awesome- And it worked! Thats all we expect. For them to do the work and put in the passion, and we would line up and gladly throw money at them for MANY DLCs to come!
      They are sitting on a real treasure with Warhammer fantasy. This beloved IP sells itself! And yet they REALLY dropped the ball. They picked it back up, gladly, but for how long can they hold it?
      Because if they burn the fans on a franchise THIS popular, it could end their company whether they know it or not. But it could bring them to new heights as well, if done right.

  • @AK-bm1yl
    @AK-bm1yl 5 місяців тому +10

    Why does CA do ToD so well and then does a 180to make the game China-only focus?

    • @washedupazir2873
      @washedupazir2873 5 місяців тому

      These are just rumors, dont act like its going to happen until officially announced

  • @andrijarogic2638
    @andrijarogic2638 5 місяців тому +7

    I don't think that community doesn't want chaos rework/dlc but the problem is that you can't chose more options on the pool. Me, for example, I'd take next reworks for undead, norsca and lizardmen, and add slaneesh and khorne DLCs cuz tzeentch and nurgle already got thier DLCs

  • @weaseltheweasel302
    @weaseltheweasel302 5 місяців тому +26

    I just want my Khorne dlc 😭😭😭it was going so well! I was just two dlcs away from having my precious khorne dlc but then they smacked me in the face, spat in my mouth and are giving me 2 cathay dlcs instead.

    • @TheBarser
      @TheBarser 5 місяців тому +4

      Dude take it easy. It's far from a certainty

    • @MidnightBlackandVictoria
      @MidnightBlackandVictoria 5 місяців тому +1

      Same here. Just one LL for Khorne is LAME. And some of us have been waiting since game one for them to get around to doing Khorne and the rest,after Chaos spent two whole game cycles as garbage. People who have only played TW and never TT have NO IDEA how awesome (or how popular) Chaos is when done right! And here we are, and they may have had glimpses of this greatness with Nurgle and Tzeentch, but STILL don't!
      And what the hell is a Khorne roster without Chimera, Slaughterbrutes, Arbaal, or Skulltaker? A lame one.

    • @13Lictor
      @13Lictor 5 місяців тому

      You must be happy now

    • @weaseltheweasel302
      @weaseltheweasel302 5 місяців тому +3

      @@13Lictor I’ve been endlessly singing and dancing for the past 24 hours.

    • @TheBarser
      @TheBarser 5 місяців тому

      @@weaseltheweasel302 And hopefully you learned not to trust every rumor you hear as facts?

  • @spiffygonzales5160
    @spiffygonzales5160 5 місяців тому +1

    Bretonnia, specifically the Green Knight needs an update. And so does tzeentch.

  • @agodelianshock9422
    @agodelianshock9422 5 місяців тому +6

    Essentially 10 years has been invested into this trilogy. I think anything short of "Complete" is a huge brand mistake. Ind, Kuresh, Nippon, reworks, roster additions, fixes, subfactions, that is the standard they should be held to. Like bare minimum. Even if they need a fourth game to make it happen, I'd even argue they should do it at a potential loss. If you alienate your loyal customers of over a decade that will hit extremely hard financially when its time for the next title. I'd say just doing the thing will be worth more than any marketing budget could buy you.

    • @abumy4
      @abumy4 5 місяців тому

      This simply is non option from financial perspective. Simply put, they don't have the money.
      And wh fantasy is well past its peak(wh2 final dlcs). They count not on the loyal fanbase for 40k,but on the whole horde of new customers(and let's be honest, that's alot of people).
      That is why we are seeing cashgrabs intead of passionate work, they are squeezing what's left out of wh3. That is why we, as community, have to fight tooth and nail just to get something close to what we had in good days.
      I doubt people would much care for many race packs, 1 at most.
      What people want is renewed focus on fleshing out the existing old/new world factions

  • @NotNewButYork
    @NotNewButYork 5 місяців тому +5

    C'mon man, there was a lot more on Araby than Cathay. The Bretonnian and Empire Araby lore alone was more than we had on Cathay. Then there is all the stuff from Tomb Kinks and Dogs of War. There is tons on them from Mordheim and they had a full Warmaster army. People tend to forget that they had a full list with models, lore, characters and all.
    Then the two towers came down and they were delayed and ended up in Mail Order only...

  • @piotrkozowski2180
    @piotrkozowski2180 5 місяців тому +1

    I want ind and kuresh the most, but if i were to choose additions instead of racepacks than khorne and slanesh having proper dlcs with their own flc lords is a must for me

  • @xtcedmgs
    @xtcedmgs 5 місяців тому +6

    Thx for the entertainment Costin, many hours you kept me cool 😎 Lvl 2 membership long overdue.

  • @Luca-wi1xh
    @Luca-wi1xh 5 місяців тому +4

    Would like each new LL pack to have a rework for the race(s) involved. So say we get the Sea Lord vs Slaanesh, the biggest part of the rework should go to Slaanesh whilst High Elves get a smaller rework, maybe focusing more on reworking Teclis' campaign.

    • @christopherlane467
      @christopherlane467 5 місяців тому

      At the very least, I'd like to see influence reworked along with all that.

    • @Luca-wi1xh
      @Luca-wi1xh 5 місяців тому

      @@christopherlane467 Agreed some sort of rework, but would be less work than slaanesh rework.

  • @thehonestaspy102
    @thehonestaspy102 5 місяців тому

    I think all mono-god factions need 3 LL (One Greater Deamon, one Lesser Deamon and one Mortal) and currently only Nurgle has that. Tzeentch could easily be finished with an Egrimm FLC but Khorne and Slaanesh are both still lagging behind.
    All I really want at this point though are Ushoran and a bloodlines rework. That's it.

  • @CacneaMain
    @CacneaMain 5 місяців тому +1

    I'm still kinda sour about the old roadmap and the Slaanesh DLC being cancelled
    DEs are probably my favourite Faction Overall at this point and Slaanesh is easily my favourite Game 3 Faction, and the content for them apparently is just kinda gone at this point (besides one FLC)
    And Slaanesh is kinda miserable rn aswell (and I doubt we will get any meaningful fixes if they have been relegated to FLC)

  • @mrtasiors
    @mrtasiors 5 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for another great video as usual. One question for you - Regarding reworks for the older races I can only see it happening through the addition of new Legendary Lords as subfactions. For the factions from TW: Warhammer 1 and 2, most of the roster is already complete. In the case of the Vampire Counts, I can only think of 2 or 3 more units that could be added in a DLC. In the first version of Shadows of Change we got 3 units per faction and that was the main reason for the outrage. Do you think there's a realistic chance for such a rework? Considering the roster is almost full and Creative Assembly can't just come up with too many original additions
    Thanks in advance for your response.

    • @Costin_Gaming
      @Costin_Gaming  5 місяців тому +1

      We'll see I guess. I hope CA is wiser than that.

    • @samhobbs9116
      @samhobbs9116 5 місяців тому

      Reworks could be done wholesale with not a single new unit and it would be better than any new unit they could make. Rosters are fine, factions are dogshit.

  • @tancrede3086
    @tancrede3086 5 місяців тому

    For me, the minimum would be a DLC for every starting race of warhammer 3 (so Slaanesh, Khorne, ogre), a DLC/rework for Norsca and rework for ogre. Would also be welcome: rework and DLC for VC and Bretonnia and rework for the lizardmen.
    Lots of choice is possible after that, new content for the other race pack, new DLC for starting race of warhammer III, Inja, Kuresh, mercenary. Why not sub-factions like the jade vampires? Personally, I preferred content for the race pack, but that's not my minimum expectations.

  • @tyco969
    @tyco969 5 місяців тому

    I would be happy with anything they do that is on par with the last dlc

  • @TheMusicWarlord
    @TheMusicWarlord 5 місяців тому

    i just want more Chaos Dwarf content, and give Gorth the Cruel his own damn model, he's an important character! also they gotta fix norsca BADLY

  • @robzero9357
    @robzero9357 5 місяців тому

    A dlc pack with 2 or 3 extra units for all races (lords/hero's where necessary) (skip new legendary lords) rework existing races
    Units don't have to be big for example more line infantry for the empire or skirmishes fill the gaps of the rosters
    like how kislevs cheap spear infantry make the rosters feel more complete
    There are planty of gaps in the rosters of the races
    They dont have to make everything from scratch use existing units with wit minor changes to the looks

  • @Eliwood29
    @Eliwood29 5 місяців тому +3

    I do care about Cathay DLC tbf but I'm happy with anything except beastmen and brettonia

  • @mauroferrari5518
    @mauroferrari5518 5 місяців тому

    But I wouldn't mind another Cathay DLC. Just not ONLY Cathay. Everybody was fine with the Monkey King vs Ogres.

  • @sjoroverpirat
    @sjoroverpirat 5 місяців тому

    The biggest problem is that I can't get any of my friends to buy it. It's too damn expensive if you want a complete game.
    Question: if you could make a dlc with only units, how would it look like? Can be a mix from different races and you can pick the price.

  • @intrepidHuntress
    @intrepidHuntress 5 місяців тому

    I would like to buy more dlc for Cathay but i'm not interested in lords of Shang Yang when we still have dragons left. Give me Yin Yin and i would be happy instead of Tigerman and Oger. The Snake man of Kuresh would also be great, Nagas would be a nice addition to the races and are a barley used setting in fantasy. Racial updates and reworks of some game mechanics should get done side by side with the dlc's, even if the races are not featured in the content to keep the game up to date. Some factions really ned some rework to be fun again

  • @sheph1145
    @sheph1145 5 місяців тому

    Slannesh, Khorne, and the bottom right of the map filled out. The rest I don't care

  • @Draxynnic
    @Draxynnic 5 місяців тому

    Not really all that surprising. Undead have a pretty fanatical core fanbase who will always be in support of more undead - and from an objective viewpoint, there's not really any undead race that couldn't do with a bit more. There are always people who'll want new races if they're on the table. For Order, a couple of races did just get an update, and some of the remainder (Lizardmen, Elves) are races that I've observed people tend to either love or hate, so there are probably people who don't care if they never get the updates they need. Chaos has never actually been as popular as the core Chaos fanbase likes to claim it is, and Chaos rosters apart from Norsca have grown quite a bit from DLC units being able to be given to multiple races. And as you observed, the "Destruction" races, with the exception of Ogres, are mostly in reasonably good places at the moment.
    There might be better information if you'd asked about each race individually and given people multiple votes (so Nagash doesn't just take them all), but I suspect that UA-cam's voting system doesn't really allow for that.
    I'd be curious what the results would have been if new races were taken off the table (they probably are apart from DoW) and people who voted for them had to vote for one of the other categories. Most of the possible new races are more like Order races than the other categories, so I suspect that Order would get a bigger boost than the others. Undead would probably still come out on top, but the margin might be quite a bit smaller.

  • @Booklat1
    @Booklat1 5 місяців тому

    Costin doing the heavy lifting of market research for CA

    • @Costin_Gaming
      @Costin_Gaming  5 місяців тому

      I can smell the sarcasm...but really you have to wonder sometimes WTF their market research teams are doing.

    • @samhobbs9116
      @samhobbs9116 5 місяців тому

      @@Costin_Gaming Smoking crack clearly

  • @unyielding_Light
    @unyielding_Light 5 місяців тому

    Hey guys crustin gaming here

  • @HotaruNoMomonga
    @HotaruNoMomonga 5 місяців тому

    CA has the same bias as GW. They believe warhammer being the story of chaos crushing the world, people will embrace chaos factions/armies to play that fantasy.
    And as for tabletop campaigns, people prefer playing the ones that resist chaos.

  • @tong8865
    @tong8865 5 місяців тому +1

    I think you're exaggerating that no one wants DLC Cathay. It's not just Asians who like this race, and Asians aren't the only ones who like Cathay. Stop stereotyping.

    • @Costin_Gaming
      @Costin_Gaming  5 місяців тому +2

      I got hard data to back it up that a lot of people don't want Cathay, simple as that.
      I mean hell CA themselves have made it clear what races are popular in which market.

    • @Draxynnic
      @Draxynnic 5 місяців тому +1

      I don't think that's what Costin has actually been saying. The impression I get is that Cathay is still popular among Western audiences, just not as popular as Kislev and the Empire, while in Asia that's reversed. Which isn't really surprising.
      If the leaks about Cathay getting two DLCs all on their own are correct, though, then that plus their part of SoC (and they arguably got the best end of the deal from SoC, especially with the additional units added after the backlash) is excessive. I'm sure they have the material to do it, but they really should be spacing it out a bit more with updates to some of the other races.

    • @techelitesareadisease8816
      @techelitesareadisease8816 5 місяців тому

      lmao there's literally data showing which factions get played the most by region - Cathay is favored in Asia, Kislev is favored in Europe and North America. I say that, btw, as an American who has played a lot more Cathay than Kislev and personally think Cathay is a more enjoyable and thematic faction, that doesn't somehow disprove the statistics lmao

    • @samhobbs9116
      @samhobbs9116 5 місяців тому

      Yea pump out content for a faction that is brand new, has no history and holds no nostalgia for anyone.
      Bold strategy Cotten let's see if it pays off for 'em.
      Could list 20 things I would rather see than more Cathay DLC. They good, they need nothing but lords that can come as FLC.

    • @Draxynnic
      @Draxynnic 5 місяців тому

      @@samhobbs9116 It's pretty clear that there's stuff for Cathay that was planned from the beginning that hasn't been implemented yet. We wouldn't want any other race to be left unfinished, we shouldn't want that for Cathay either.
      But 3 DLCs out of 5 is excessive, especially if two of those are going to be ALL Cathay.

  • @rumborabbit4532
    @rumborabbit4532 5 місяців тому

    i want the late game lag fixed optimise better and bugs before we get more dlcs

  • @JakubZN
    @JakubZN 5 місяців тому

    A couple of comments. 1. I really don't understand what you think is wrong with Khorne. It is the most lore friendly campaign there is and amazing gameplay if you push yourself. 2. We cannot really know hiw large is Chinese-speaking fan community. They are mostly separated from English-speaking communities, their own platforms, communicators etc. So hard to say. We may seriously underestimate them. 3. I certainly think launch lords of WH1 and WH2 need the most attention and the only way that happens is if we get DLC for those races. I agree with undead, and especially VC's need that, but if they don't rework Teclis before the end I will be really really gutted. 4. Please no end-times story lines and no Valten, that is stupid world-breaking stuff. We have great characters that are well established in lore like Schwarzhelm/Helborg rivalry etc. Also Nagash can be introduced as he existed in early editions, with story on him reassembling himself by sheer force of will after his assassination by Skaven. We don't need end-times for that. Although units of course could be cool, but I don't care that much about super OP units if anything I am sad some units in the game that should be super elite are really meh (I am looking at you dragon princes).

  • @Zuw_1
    @Zuw_1 5 місяців тому

    update existing races especially evil races thats what i want more than new DLCs content for God sake i bought those factions, make them fun we need more replayability +rework daniel -_-

  • @A_Falling_Cow
    @A_Falling_Cow 5 місяців тому

    As a fellow UA-camr how the hell do you post almost everyday. It’s very impressive hhahah

    • @Costin_Gaming
      @Costin_Gaming  5 місяців тому +3

      It's my full time job :)

    • @A_Falling_Cow
      @A_Falling_Cow 5 місяців тому

      @@Costin_Gaming love to hear it! I remember when you were sitting at 30k, good job! Got any tips for newbie hahah

  • @jedigandalf3437
    @jedigandalf3437 5 місяців тому +1

    I dont give a shit about chaos. Order almost all the way!! Yes-yes?

    • @christopherlane467
      @christopherlane467 5 місяців тому +4

      Wait a minute...

    • @CacneaMain
      @CacneaMain 5 місяців тому

      You aren't a fine citizen of the Empire. You are just two Skaven in a Trenchcoat!

    • @rlereza2701
      @rlereza2701 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@christopherlane467 I smell Vermin

  • @HotaruNoMomonga
    @HotaruNoMomonga 5 місяців тому

    CA has the same bias as GW. They believe warhammer being the story of chaos crushing the world, people will embrace chaos factions/armies to play that fantasy.
    And as for tabletop campaigns, people prefer playing the ones that resist chaos.