I really dislike the media’s preoccupation with controversy. I’ll take a Scottie Scheffler any day over the LIV “Bro Golf” episode at the U.S. Open. Great golfer, good human captures my eye all the time.
My biggest issue is the fact that a player who is 151 in the fedex cup and over 200 in the world, seems to get a lot more “invites” to the signature tournaments than he should. The player? Web Simpson. WTF?
Good show guys, I cancelled UA-cam tv so no more golf channel/thurs Friday rounds. Tho I get more insight from these short segments than any amount of golf channel, and eamons voice gives me bad dreams.
AGREE all the way! Whose idea was it to have many of the Signature events, bookending Major Championships? Probably the same man who never took the LIV threat seriously, and allowed the fracturing of the PGA Tour - Mr. Monahan. The captain of the Titanic. He needs to go "for the good of the game" and to "grow the game" - two of his own favorite phrases.
USA open ratings were up 300% on last year, says it all, brilliant tournament, tough, everyone back together, Troon will rock, links golf, hard course, we fans love that type of golf
Lav...Rahm debuted at Mayacoba not Jeddah. And you guys forgot that Nashville has been one of the fatest growing cities in the country and is also "golf starved" It was the perfect storm for LIV.
Signature events should not be immediately before or after Majors. 4 before Masters, 2 before PGA, Memorial. That's it. Lav now a bomber! Rory beware! Great podcast.
I really disliked the no cuts and loss of any friday drama-especially for fantasy team league purposes. There needs to be more players, 100? and perhaps even a Monday qualifier? Maybe 10 worst scores can't play in next siggy event?
I agree. I hate LIV but these boys dont have to really try for 4 days 5x a year and they get $$ even if they finish DEAD LAST and OWGR points. Its like pure laziness.
Nothing compares to the majors, and this is even more so since Liv started. If i'm honest, the lack of competitive quality and stars in the field to challenge Scottie scheffler is now becoming a bit boring. Scheffler is making hay in the absence of Rahm, Bryson, Cam Smith etc....
Rahm hasn't even won on LIV yet. Cam Smith hasn't won on LIV in a year. Koepka's hit or miss. DJ's gone. People like you have no idea how many good players there are in the world now. A few players going to LIV just opens more spots for new talent to rise. But if you're stuck up Cam Smith's ass forever I guess you can't see that.
Exactly right. We saw what happened when Scheffler played a big boy golf course like Pinehurst - he got his a$$ handed to him by Bry58n and 41 other players in the strongest field. As he did in the Ryder Cup as well. Scheffler just can’t hack it against the big dogs at LIV.
The Masters has now become the best test at the highest level of the Majors. In these normal (to Professionals) level golf set ups, the best wins most often, but in other Majors there is a lot of adjustments that must be made, and there is more of a chance for luck to intervene. The US Open set up was really crazy, and Bryson truly deserves credit for what he did, and Rory should have, could have etc...but he also performed. In any normal conditions, Scottie is easily favored, and in difficult/crazy conditions I give him a slight edge.
Nope, Augusta national has become a novelty course. I don’t think it should be played every year. The setups lately have not produced the back nine drama. Many great holes, many bullshit holes like 6,8,9,14,17 and the weakest of all finishing holes. 2,7,10,16 I give the chef kiss. Bobby would have hate what they did to 11,13,15. The added length ruined the course
I'm a golf super junkie. I don't wanna see scheff keep winning. He's boring as heck. Im hoping for big time putting yips to come back. Loved every second of Pinehurst. We need all the a$$holes back from Saudi blood money tour to make it entertaining.
Deep crop of players ? It is impossible for Scottie to do what Tiger did even if he wins 29 times because of the sad pga tour fields; especially these limited pga tour fields (who give their few exemptions to their favorite politician players). The pga tour needs Scottie to lose. And lose often. Let’s keep in mind the two guys taking the most money from ssg were not there (again). I can’t remember: Was Scottie there when Rory won at quail hollow ? Scottie is polarizing in the sense he is too boring for many fans. Xander going to LIv ? The pga tour signature events were way better when they were full fields (albeit they still had some players that have gone to LIv sense). They way they are now is no bueno. I’m trying to watch them but am missing them for better sporting events and not feeling like I’m missing much. I made it to Halftime.
Seems to me that the signature event designation doesn't mean anything special on its own. Event with their own cache - Tiger's, Arnie's, Jack's - have that specialness but the rest are just small-field Tour events that pay out a lot of money. And putting ones in both the week before and after the US Open was just an act of scheduling idiocy. I'm not a LIV fan or follower, but it certainly seems like one way to get more "zing" in a tournament is to bring in some of the top LIV guys. Cut the number of signature back to the 3 associated with historical figures and invite guys like DeChambeau to those tournaments. But keep the asterisk and let Gooch go hang.
I’ve heard you guys a few times on Golf Today, but this is the first time I’ve watched your podcast. Great job. 👏🏾👍🏾 However, I kinda wonder if you will ever be pleased with any schedule that the Tour is able to develop. I think your requirements for a “home run” are unrealistic. BTW, I missed your show following the U.S. OPEN, so I don’t know what you said about the results. I was crushed that Rory lost, and further saddened that DeChambeau won. From my long distance perch watching but never having met the man, he strikes me as being insincere and a phoney. It annoys me that most of the media seems not to recognize that, or feels it can’t say so publicly. I wonder what my man Eamon Lynch would say if asked, perhaps privately? I bet Eamon would call it straight. Anyhow, now that I’ve watched once, I’ll be watching in the future. Keep on trucking.
Bryson, IMO, is not different than other elite golfers, and being a LIV player really showcases that he doesn't care what people think. He has continued to work hard, which I think is the exception on LIV, where laziness is rewarded handsomely. Bryson's youtube posts etc..have made him likeable. But he's only won 2 Majors, not 15 of them....the gushing is way overblown.
Scheffler likes easy courses against weakened fields, but he struggles on tougher courses vs the strongest fields like the US Open at Pinehurst and the PGA Championship. Also check the pre-US Open videos you uploaded - I did say that Scheffler would struggle and be exposed badly at Pinehurst - it was VERY OBVIOUS because of the focus on putting on turtleback greens and Scheffler not being a great putter.....anyone who picked Scheffler to win at Pinehurst didn't do their research properly or was a prisoner of the moment
What do say about Scheffler’s two victories at the Masters, and his Players win? Similar for the API and the Memorial? Easy courses, weakened fields? BS
Signature events were an utter disaster. Culminating in Rory skipping this week. Try as it might, getting all the players to show support for the PGA tour is impossible.
@@DavesMiniMenagerie I agree, it is very boring. The PGA Tour has never had such a shallow talent pool as it has right now. Rookies are winning at an incredible rate. That should tell you everything. The “veterans” just aren’t that good. They need around 50 more good players (nudge, nudge).
When Tiger did this nobody was asking if it was good, right? Everyone said that it was. In fact, the media lost their minds and portrayed Tiger as the second coming of Christ. However, when it comes to Scottie, I think it's disgusting that he's being held to a different standard. Why the double standard? I wonder..
@@oahujuniorgolfassociationc6656 LIV is a diminished field. They don't have Scottie, Rory, Clark, Schaffle, etc. It goes both ways. LIV has about 5 top players who should be winning every week, but they don't, even against very weak fields. Rahm, Koepka, DJ, Bryson, Smith. LIV has no depth beyond that. They're playing against the Kevin Na's of the world every week. The PGA Tour, you have to earn your spot based on results. LIV doesn't have that from week to week. Your argument refutes itself.
@@Nadia_Milkova LIv fields are a lot stronger than you say. The Latin contingent is amazing led by joaco . The South Africans led by Louie. The Aussies. The meronks and hattons of Europe. LIv is stacked. Sure they are missing about 6-10 players most of which you mentioned. But make no mistake LIv at 54 players is already a great competition.
It’s honestly irrelevant golf is golf and the events don’t seem to matter to most quote golf fans. Liv resonates with the casuals because it’s a gong show party atmosphere but the level of golf and courses isn’t always great. The pga tour needs to stop giving a crap what casuals think of it and just go forward.
Links golf is the best and why the Open is number 1 and always will be Troon will be epic, remember last one with Phil and Hendrik. Cookie cutter pgatour courses are boring.
@@kheezy4 wow how wrong you are, everyone outside the USA puts the Open at number 1. Only Americans in their delusional arrogance put the Masters at number 1 when its easily number 4, same boring course with a limited invitational field. Pga championship is way better than the Masters
Is it just me or do these two really not like each other? The tension between these guys is palpable. They constantly disagree which is fine but they seem to take it personally when they do.
@@jimiverson3085 I get that and have no issue with that as it makes for good listening. I’ve watched several of their podcast and they come across as if they really don’t like each other.
I really dislike the media’s preoccupation with controversy. I’ll take a Scottie Scheffler any day over the LIV “Bro Golf” episode at the U.S. Open. Great golfer, good human captures my eye all the time.
That’s cool, but you already like golf. “Controversy” is relevant because it brings in more casuals = more money
Excellent comment
The quality of your prodcast is much better than watching the analysts on the Golf Channel tv broadcast.
My biggest issue is the fact that a player who is 151 in the fedex cup and over 200 in the world, seems to get a lot more “invites” to the signature tournaments than he should. The player? Web Simpson. WTF?
He’s such a nice young man.
@@oahujuniorgolfassociationc6656
Well, he was young once.....
Good show guys, I cancelled UA-cam tv so no more golf channel/thurs Friday rounds. Tho I get more insight from these short segments than any amount of golf channel, and eamons voice gives me bad dreams.
ESPN and Peacock covers all of the rounds if you are interested 👍👍
Stupid having these events in the week before and after the US Open. The field sizes need to be increased and they must have a cut.
AGREE all the way! Whose idea was it to have many of the Signature events, bookending Major Championships? Probably the same man who never took the LIV threat seriously, and allowed the fracturing of the PGA Tour - Mr. Monahan. The captain of the Titanic. He needs to go "for the good of the game" and to "grow the game" - two of his own favorite phrases.
USA open ratings were up 300% on last year, says it all, brilliant tournament, tough, everyone back together, Troon will rock, links golf, hard course, we fans love that type of golf
PGAT makes nothing from the US open.
@@billfairless6256 good
Lav...Rahm debuted at Mayacoba not Jeddah. And you guys forgot that Nashville has been one of the fatest growing cities in the country and is also "golf starved" It was the perfect storm for LIV.
They don’t have to talk about Liv. Do you see it’s a nbc show
They’re on a network that has always been attached to the pga tour, they literally get paid to be negative about LIV.
@andrew_l1900 maybe listen to the podcast before you comment d*mbass. They mentioned LIV Nashville so just stfu
@Jackielikeskillersmiles then why did they or did you not listen to the end of the podcast either? Please take your spam comments elsewhere
@@Crawdad1975 but the point is they “don’t have to!!” Get a clue! Spam comment, just because you don’t like it! Cry louder😹😹😹
Signature events should not be immediately before or after Majors. 4 before Masters, 2 before PGA, Memorial. That's it.
Lav now a bomber! Rory beware!
Great podcast.
Just dumb putting Memorial, US Open, Travelers back to back to back
I really disliked the no cuts and loss of any friday drama-especially for fantasy team league purposes. There needs to be more players, 100? and perhaps even a Monday qualifier? Maybe 10 worst scores can't play in next siggy event?
Agree, and how is awarding OWGR points justified if LIV doesn't get them?? I hate LIV btw.
I agree. I hate LIV but these boys dont have to really try for 4 days 5x a year and they get $$ even if they finish DEAD LAST and OWGR points. Its like pure laziness.
What if Rory and/or Scottie had the worst scores, are you going to exclude them from the next sig event?
Miss Patrick Reed 😢. It was must see 👀 TV
If Rory was winning like Scotty is, the amount of fanfare would be a whole lot more than for Scotty… people just don’t celebrate Scotty as much
1 or 2 in 8 of the last 10 tournaments. Dominant.
Nothing compares to the majors, and this is even more so since Liv started. If i'm honest, the lack of competitive quality and stars in the field to challenge Scottie scheffler is now becoming a bit boring. Scheffler is making hay in the absence of Rahm, Bryson, Cam Smith etc....
Honestly I feel the same way watching LIV, both tours are missing strong players.
Rahm hasn't even won on LIV yet. Cam Smith hasn't won on LIV in a year. Koepka's hit or miss. DJ's gone. People like you have no idea how many good players there are in the world now. A few players going to LIV just opens more spots for new talent to rise. But if you're stuck up Cam Smith's ass forever I guess you can't see that.
@@Nadia_Milkova Jons team won today.
@@Nadia_MilkovaDJ won in Vegas a few months ago, but don’t let facts get in the way of your agenda 🐑
Exactly right. We saw what happened when Scheffler played a big boy golf course like Pinehurst - he got his a$$ handed to him by Bry58n and 41 other players in the strongest field. As he did in the Ryder Cup as well. Scheffler just can’t hack it against the big dogs at LIV.
The Masters has now become the best test at the highest level of the Majors. In these normal (to Professionals) level golf set ups, the best wins most often, but in other Majors there is a lot of adjustments that must be made, and there is more of a chance for luck to intervene. The US Open set up was really crazy, and Bryson truly deserves credit for what he did, and Rory should have, could have etc...but he also performed. In any normal conditions, Scottie is easily favored, and in difficult/crazy conditions I give him a slight edge.
Nope, Augusta national has become a novelty course. I don’t think it should be played every year. The setups lately have not produced the back nine drama. Many great holes, many bullshit holes like 6,8,9,14,17 and the weakest of all finishing holes. 2,7,10,16 I give the chef kiss. Bobby would have hate what they did to 11,13,15. The added length ruined the course
Augusta does not rotate @@chevy4x466
@@chevy4x466disagree.
I'm a golf super junkie. I don't wanna see scheff keep winning. He's boring as heck. Im hoping for big time putting yips to come back. Loved every second of Pinehurst.
We need all the a$$holes back from Saudi blood money tour to make it entertaining.
Deep crop of players ?
It is impossible for Scottie to do what Tiger did even if he wins 29 times because of the sad pga tour fields; especially these limited pga tour fields (who give their few exemptions to their favorite politician players).
The pga tour needs Scottie to lose. And lose often.
Let’s keep in mind the two guys taking the most money from ssg were not there (again).
I can’t remember: Was Scottie there when Rory won at quail hollow ?
Scottie is polarizing in the sense he is too boring for many fans.
Xander going to LIv ?
The pga tour signature events were way better when they were full fields (albeit they still had some players that have gone to LIv sense). They way they are now is no bueno. I’m trying to watch them but am missing them for better sporting events and not feeling like I’m missing much.
I made it to Halftime.
Seems to me that the signature event designation doesn't mean anything special on its own. Event with their own cache - Tiger's, Arnie's, Jack's - have that specialness but the rest are just small-field Tour events that pay out a lot of money. And putting ones in both the week before and after the US Open was just an act of scheduling idiocy.
I'm not a LIV fan or follower, but it certainly seems like one way to get more "zing" in a tournament is to bring in some of the top LIV guys. Cut the number of signature back to the 3 associated with historical figures and invite guys like DeChambeau to those tournaments. But keep the asterisk and let Gooch go hang.
Full fields with randos are better
I’ve heard you guys a few times on Golf Today, but this is the first time I’ve watched your podcast. Great job. 👏🏾👍🏾 However, I kinda wonder if you will ever be pleased with any schedule that the Tour is able to develop. I think your requirements for a “home run” are unrealistic.
BTW, I missed your show following the U.S. OPEN, so I don’t know what you said about the results. I was crushed that Rory lost, and further saddened that DeChambeau won. From my long distance perch watching but never having met the man, he strikes me as being insincere and a phoney. It annoys me that most of the media seems not to recognize that, or feels it can’t say so publicly. I wonder what my man Eamon Lynch would say if asked, perhaps privately? I bet Eamon would call it straight.
Anyhow, now that I’ve watched once, I’ll be watching in the future. Keep on trucking.
Bryson, IMO, is not different than other elite golfers, and being a LIV player really showcases that he doesn't care what people think. He has continued to work hard, which I think is the exception on LIV, where laziness is rewarded handsomely. Bryson's youtube posts etc..have made him likeable. But he's only won 2 Majors, not 15 of them....the gushing is way overblown.
@@wreckim 🐑 🤡
dislike Bryson but like lynch. .. 😂
Scheffler likes easy courses against weakened fields, but he struggles on tougher courses vs the strongest fields like the US Open at Pinehurst and the PGA Championship. Also check the pre-US Open videos you uploaded - I did say that Scheffler would struggle and be exposed badly at Pinehurst - it was VERY OBVIOUS because of the focus on putting on turtleback greens and Scheffler not being a great putter.....anyone who picked Scheffler to win at Pinehurst didn't do their research properly or was a prisoner of the moment
When has Scottie struggled at the pga championship?😂and also he’s almost won a few us opens at the toughest courses
Absolutely!! 👍
lol he's won the masters twice homie. You still have time to delete this
"Easy courses"... Sawgrass, Bay Hill, Murfield, Harbor Town, and Augusta.. yeah those are super easy courses. Did you forget to take your meds?
What do say about Scheffler’s two victories at the Masters, and his Players win? Similar for the API and the Memorial? Easy courses, weakened fields? BS
Signature events were an utter disaster. Culminating in Rory skipping this week. Try as it might, getting all the players to show support for the PGA tour is impossible.
Both of your proposals aren't great. How about a tournament every week and 170 players.
Having just 1 dominant player sounds super boring to me
Especially when the guy is boring. Albeit a really good guy.
@@DavesMiniMenagerie I agree, it is very boring. The PGA Tour has never had such a shallow talent pool as it has right now. Rookies are winning at an incredible rate. That should tell you everything. The “veterans” just aren’t that good. They need around 50 more good players (nudge, nudge).
When Tiger did this nobody was asking if it was good, right? Everyone said that it was. In fact, the media lost their minds and portrayed Tiger as the second coming of Christ. However, when it comes to Scottie, I think it's disgusting that he's being held to a different standard. Why the double standard? I wonder..
I get your point, but tiger was entertaining. Scottie isn't. He's not a strong personality
You know what the double standard is. Good comment
Imo Scottie it comes down to the pga tour being diminished of players that went to LIv and these limited fields especially make it feel even more so.
@@oahujuniorgolfassociationc6656 LIV is a diminished field. They don't have Scottie, Rory, Clark, Schaffle, etc. It goes both ways. LIV has about 5 top players who should be winning every week, but they don't, even against very weak fields. Rahm, Koepka, DJ, Bryson, Smith. LIV has no depth beyond that. They're playing against the Kevin Na's of the world every week. The PGA Tour, you have to earn your spot based on results. LIV doesn't have that from week to week. Your argument refutes itself.
@@Nadia_Milkova LIv fields are a lot stronger than you say. The Latin contingent is amazing led by joaco . The South Africans led by Louie. The Aussies. The meronks and hattons of Europe. LIv is stacked.
Sure they are missing about 6-10 players most of which you mentioned.
But make no mistake LIv at 54 players is already a great competition.
It’s honestly irrelevant golf is golf and the events don’t seem to matter to most quote golf fans. Liv resonates with the casuals because it’s a gong show party atmosphere but the level of golf and courses isn’t always great. The pga tour needs to stop giving a crap what casuals think of it and just go forward.
Yeh ok
again, Lav, why do you make talking sound so difficult
Links golf is the best and why the Open is number 1 and always will be Troon will be epic, remember last one with Phil and Hendrik. Cookie cutter pgatour courses are boring.
You must be the only person on the planet who puts the Open as #1. St Andrew’s is the only course that can even bring that argument into play.
@@kheezy4 wow how wrong you are, everyone outside the USA puts the Open at number 1. Only Americans in their delusional arrogance put the Masters at number 1 when its easily number 4, same boring course with a limited invitational field. Pga championship is way better than the Masters
The majors are all great in their own right assuming they don’t let their fields continue getting diminished by the politics.
Scotty Scheffler is the most boring player on tour. He’s just not fun to watch.
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Whiner Central.
Is it just me or do these two really not like each other? The tension between these guys is palpable. They constantly disagree which is fine but they seem to take it personally when they do.
I don’t see that.
It's just you....
@@jimiverson3085 Well it’s not just me as many people have made comments saying the same thing.
@@jaydee5447
If they agreed all the time it would be B-O-R-I-N-G. So they are looking to expand the points of disagreement.
@@jimiverson3085 I get that and have no issue with that as it makes for good listening. I’ve watched several of their podcast and they come across as if they really don’t like each other.
He beat a Covid kid that no one knows or cares about.
PGA events have no value or meaning, its a about the majors.
He beat a Covid kid that no one knows or cares about.
PGA events have no value or meaning, its a about the majors.