Ameer al oud was my first oud fragrance. I didn’t like it at first and performance was mid, but after sime time its beast mode and one of my favourites for the winter 🙌
I’m not a big believer in that whole maceration thingy but my valentino born in roma uomo was not lastinh and projecting when I first bought it, then boom. It does it’s job right now, not a beast mode but I wouldn’t want the scent to scream either. Definitely let your fragrances sit for a while after some use
Good pronunciation is important. I am glad to hear it correctly, your seriousness and commitment is appreciated. I would never take advice from someone who recommends something they don't even know how to pronounce. Imo you are one of the top guys in english languaje 👍🏻 Greatings
Neeb, just got Assad and kahmarah in 1ml testers, instantly loves both and will get big bottles. The asad was just liked you said if you took suavage elixer and toned down the liquorish and added a bit of vanilla, wonderful frag
@@h2woah127 projects well above average for 3-4 hours , then it sits closer, but never a skin scent and lasts till I wash it off... it kinda works against it to an extent because you can only use it in the winter because of that and because of the fact that you have heavy spicy and vanilla notes backing the oud
these def the more hype, but if we talking about the best Lattafa has to offer when it comes to price to performance, Vintage Radio is up there, and Honor and Glory
@@yotoulminville8705 i think VR is better blended and ready to go out the box, but Honor and Glory you can rock year round (lighter sprays during summer) but it had to age a bit when it arrived for it to smell at its best. if you like plum notes go VR, if you like pineapple cremebrulee(kinda unique) go Honor & Glory.
@@yotoulminville8705 V.R. is better blended and ready to go out the box. Honor and glory you can rock year round (do lighter sprays in summer high heat) but my batch had to age about a month.
-Amethyst 5/5 to synthetic -oud Glory 7.5/10 but hard to wear -Khamrah 6.5/10 to sweet, a little synthetic and get me headache -Qaed 6/10 boring, & got me headache too -Fakhar 8/10 nice nice nice, easy to wear - Asad 7/10 it's hard to wear, & got me headache
May as well do a Fragrance World top 10 as well (including FA Paris, North Stag, etc) I'm impressed with After Effect, Harmony Code Absolu, Jack of Clubs, Expressions Deux, Proud of You Amber, Ghost Wraith and Spectre
I think we agree that we want to smell very good but different from what we already know, CH, Paco Rabbane, etc.. and there are many options at a very good price and they won't tell you or think you smell like my ex. Raghba Wood in my opinion it smells very good, with only two sprays on my blanket to test it and let it dry... after days of entering my bedroom it still projects and smells delicious without being synthetic, it is for cold weather or cool nights and to use in meetings or going out for a walk, blind buy, for the cost you will get a great fragance, I am sure you will like it.
I've used all my Hayaati as a bathroom spray before I have company over. That's what I think it smells best for, so I think it makes a great, long lasting, room spray.
why do all men with a killer chest have no arms? ever noticed akhi good video your videos are always on point... brother is it true that lattafa perfumes reach their full potential after a certain time until everything marinates? Do you know anything about it?
Lattafa be putting out some Bangers!! I got both Karmahs & just bought the Vintage Radio(SO Good!) and I have some Maison Alhambra fragrances will be getting a lot more Lattafa Gragrances. Oh yea I am a new sub.
Very good review, and straight to the point - i like that. Kamrah is on the wanted list for sure, but will go for the Qahwa i think , also Fakhar black, Hayaati, Oud for glory, Eternal oud. I have Asad, Ameer al oud int, and Najdia. I gave away three of my others to a girlfriend- Qaeed al fursan, amethyst, and Qaeed. Qaeed - ouch, might re- buy that one. I hope she wears them and not chuck them in a box with all else associated with my good self ( we broke up ) . Al fursan i wont miss much, and Amethyst ( better on her than me). Other Mid Easters are - Kismet ( it’s ok) and Afro leather - which i would describe as ‘ barnyard ‘ really good tho. It’s one of those .. ‘ phwwaaaaaaarrrr’ frags , gutsy opening . Nice one 👍💜
I have fakhar and I m almost done with the bottle after two months. It s that good. Is a universal fragrance, you can wear it anywhere and is a very nice fresh sweet smell.
QUESTION: What is the BEAST mode version of Quaid al Fursan???? I luv its scent but its very weak and not the best when it comes to performance. I need something similar but Good Projection, performance and long lasting.
Have a couple of lattafa fragrances but ameer al oud stands out the most for me. Had fakhar but it was too sweet for me so I gave it away and recently got sheikh al shuyukh instead. It's dry down is really good.
Great work as always. Was wondering if you could do an overall ahmed al maghribi video. I know you've made some but not an overall haul. This has become one of my favorite brands but they have so many they havent been spoken on. Just my thoughts.
Ragba Wood Intense is great! Needs to be higher up… Qaed Al Fursan needs to pegged back, smells way too close to a Vodka Pineapple beverage. I got Honour & Glory from one of your recommendations… it’s fantastic with loads of complments!
This axe body spay is very intriguing name This is for men to attract woman but it’s a body spray Axe Fine Fragrance Men's Deodorant Spray, Spiced Latte, Cardamom + Patchouli Aluminum Free, 4 oz
I skipped Amethyst. Eternal Oud is still on my list. But its summer. Sheikh Shuyukh Final Edition often in my rotation. Rahgba for men deserves the honor to be mentioned. Awesome for its price tag. Asad is my least favorite. But yes they are all in my collection and beat the crap out, by now, my limited designers. Like my Prada is for show as I prefer 9PM to spray. Ow and yep the wood intense also religious for me....😇
I have every of the fragrances mentioned in this video but angrily gave out Amenthyst because of it's annoyingly synthetic character, besides i think Suqraat should be on the list but Neeb knows better, so that ain't a problem to me
Asad is amazing! And for $25 Canadian?!?! Come on, that’s basically giving it away for free It’s gorgeous, I spray it all the time, even just a wee Bakst so I can smell it on myself for a few hours minimum
I would like to see the 10 from afnan , and maison al hambra also , for lattafa i would really like Masa , antique , the twin liam, al Dana (best hacivat clone),the Al Nashama twins, sehr 😁🔥
The only I can disagree on is RAGBA WOOD INTENSE its very unpleasant 😢 I don’t understand why people say is a good fragrance, i use it in my bathroom to get rid of bad smells….😅
Damn, I didn’t know I needed a ‘holy’ fragrance. As a Christian I respect and love my Islam brothers. Love the idea of something incense dark and holy.
Enigma Une is the best Elixir clone. He's said it before in a different vid. Super close to the actual Elixir. I have it but rarely wear it even tho my wife loves it. It's good, but I personally don't love the licorice or nutmeg. Too dense a frag for warm weather. Maybe I'll like it more in the cold, but I wish I'd bought Asad instead. It's half the price of enigma and it's easier to wear
Even though certain scents are less expensive like Fakhar, the average person out there isn't going to realize or know that it's super high quality or not, and will still mass appeal to the average person,as opposed to a fragrance Guru.
Now are we just talking strictly Lattafa or their sub brands well? Fakhar Gold Rave Now Mahir Legacy Suqraat Nebras Qaed Al Fursan Unlimited Vintage Radio Atlas Liam Blue Shine Thouq (Delina Exclusif for the ladies) Leonie/Libbra (YSL Libra for the ladies) Maison Alhambra The Tux Maison Alhambra Fabuloso Intense This list can keep going Lol.
Keep up the awesome vids. Please don’t take this as hate but you cannot let influencers with no middle eastern background have a more correct pronunciation 😭. Badee al oud is more like bdee. The word you are saying does exist and it does make sense but it isn’t what is written on the bottle. You are saying بادع but on the bottle it says بديع
@@krisdzons i had both of them, Velvet Oud is good but Ramz Silver sucks, it's too synthetic, if you want Ultra Male clone that is even better than 9pm get Maison Alhambra Glacier Ultra, it is a spitting image of the Original
@@ObokomboI have 9pm, and my bottle of Ramz Silver is on the way. I dont know maybe you need to mancerate for ramz silver, I heard that its scent vise closer to Ultra Male because of Pear note that is absent from 9pm. Also 9pm in this hot days I wouldn't say it stinks but its definitely synthetic smelling even if I wear it on late hours or even under AC turned on. Idk. Thanks for recommendation. As I heard from fragnatica and other people from youtube Velvet Oud is very long lasting but hey not every skin is same.
Ameer al oud was my first oud fragrance. I didn’t like it at first and performance was mid, but after sime time its beast mode and one of my favourites for the winter 🙌
Try arabiyat prestige hypnotic oud - same dna, but much higher quality
It smells horrible imo
@@stephjuststeph i thought so at first, now i put it on before sleeping sometimes because its a comfy scent 😅
Got mine last month, and it smells way too sweet that it disturbs my stomach. I don't like it yet. I pray I get to like it later
I’m not a big believer in that whole maceration thingy but my valentino born in roma uomo was not lastinh and projecting when I first bought it, then boom. It does it’s job right now, not a beast mode but I wouldn’t want the scent to scream either. Definitely let your fragrances sit for a while after some use
Good pronunciation is important. I am glad to hear it correctly, your seriousness and commitment is appreciated. I would never take advice from someone who recommends something they don't even know how to pronounce.
Imo you are one of the top guys in english languaje 👍🏻
Greatings
Reviewing a scent has got nothing to do with how well you can pronounce arabic words
@@L.Z.-
Lol
😂😂😂😂 Well said bruv
raghba 7
amethyst 9
khamrah 10
hayaati 8
fursan 8.5
fakhar 8.7
eternal oud 9
asad 10
Oud for glory 9
Ameer al oud ?
??
Amethyst 7
I really like Rahgba WI. At first it wasn't that way but it grew on me quite a bit.
Neeb, just got Assad and kahmarah in 1ml testers, instantly loves both and will get big bottles. The asad was just liked you said if you took suavage elixer and toned down the liquorish and added a bit of vanilla, wonderful frag
Great video! Totally enjoy the pronounciation of each item, rock on!
Glad you liked my pronunciation :)
@aromatixrrt lol just realized I needs to work on mine... maybe I needs to go back to collage 🤣
Nebras, Vintage Radio, Hayaati. All bangers and what I feel at 9 or 10/10.
Have never seen anyone mention Najdia Oud... It is a more mature take on an Invictus style fragrance and it is great for cold weather
Ouuuu how’s the performance?
@@h2woah127 projects well above average for 3-4 hours , then it sits closer, but never a skin scent and lasts till I wash it off... it kinda works against it to an extent because you can only use it in the winter because of that and because of the fact that you have heavy spicy and vanilla notes backing the oud
Been on the fence about this one months ago. Couldn’t find reviews it was like $20
You inspired me to buy final edition and what a great fragrance. People ask me what I’m wearing all the time. Second purchase imminent.
Not having Lattafa Jasoor in this list is an absolute crime. One of my tops from the brand for sure. Keep crushing it, brother. 👊🏼
Read the title boss
these def the more hype, but if we talking about the best Lattafa has to offer when it comes to price to performance, Vintage Radio is up there, and Honor and Glory
Totally agree!👍👍
Which is better I have both on in my cart??
@@yotoulminville8705 i think VR is better blended and ready to go out the box, but Honor and Glory you can rock year round (lighter sprays during summer) but it had to age a bit when it arrived for it to smell at its best. if you like plum notes go VR, if you like pineapple cremebrulee(kinda unique) go Honor & Glory.
@@yotoulminville8705 V.R. is better blended and ready to go out the box. Honor and glory you can rock year round (do lighter sprays in summer high heat) but my batch had to age about a month.
Nice. Out of the 30+ Lattafa / Maison Alhambra's I have, Ejaazi, Al Maleky, and Ishq al Shuyukh Silver have to be some of the top.
Does ishq smell like paco rabanne one million lucky?
From what I hear. I've never smelled that one. It does smell like a 1 Million style fragrance.
@@adtase1489 im trying to find an og bottle with the silver banner on the bottom front of the bottle
Al qaem silver is one hell of a performer , smells great , last long
Wow I have 9/10 of these fragrances!! Following your recommendations way too much lol love all of these scents!
-Amethyst 5/5 to synthetic
-oud Glory 7.5/10 but hard to wear
-Khamrah 6.5/10 to sweet, a little synthetic and get me headache
-Qaed 6/10 boring, & got me headache too
-Fakhar 8/10 nice nice nice, easy to wear
- Asad 7/10 it's hard to wear, & got me headache
You are supposed to live with headache 😅
I recently discovered Ishq al Shuyukh Gold...absolutely gorgeous and, IMO, perfectly unisex. Babycat vibes, but I prefer this one.
I have 8 of the 10. When I catch Eternal Oud on sale, I'll grab it.
May as well do a Fragrance World top 10 as well (including FA Paris, North Stag, etc)
I'm impressed with After Effect, Harmony Code Absolu, Jack of Clubs, Expressions Deux, Proud of You Amber, Ghost Wraith and Spectre
impeccable video. clear and great review. perfect summary
Much appreciated!
Thank you very much for your insights Neeb.😊
I'm glad you found the insights helpful!
I got compliments by women in the doctor's office for wearing hayaati.
Looks like hayaati is the secret to winning hearts at the doctor's office!
I think we agree that we want to smell very good but different from what we already know, CH, Paco Rabbane, etc.. and there are many options at a very good price and they won't tell you or think you smell like my ex. Raghba Wood in my opinion it smells very good, with only two sprays on my blanket to test it and let it dry... after days of entering my bedroom it still projects and smells delicious without being synthetic, it is for cold weather or cool nights and to use in meetings or going out for a walk, blind buy, for the cost you will get a great fragance, I am sure you will like it.
I've used all my Hayaati as a bathroom spray before I have company over. That's what I think it smells best for, so I think it makes a great, long lasting, room spray.
LOLLL
no vintage radio is crazy
I was thinking the same thing
bro vintage radio is overhyped. shits garbage.
It's meh
@@emirx1126overhyped as f***
@@emirx1126 what makes it garbage
why do all men with a killer chest have no arms? ever noticed
akhi good video your videos are always on point... brother is it true that lattafa perfumes reach their full potential after a certain time until everything marinates? Do you know anything about it?
Lattafa be putting out some Bangers!! I got both Karmahs & just bought the Vintage Radio(SO Good!) and I have some Maison Alhambra fragrances will be getting a lot more Lattafa Gragrances. Oh yea I am a new sub.
Like always excellent review Neeb! Stay blessed bro 🤜🤛
Will you do this for lattafa women’s fragrances that you’ve come across? 💁♀️
Very good review, and straight to the point - i like that. Kamrah is on the wanted list for sure, but will go for the Qahwa i think , also Fakhar black, Hayaati, Oud for glory, Eternal oud. I have Asad, Ameer al oud int, and Najdia. I gave away three of my others to a girlfriend- Qaeed al fursan, amethyst, and Qaeed. Qaeed - ouch, might re- buy that one. I hope she wears them and not chuck them in a box with all else associated with my good self ( we broke up ) . Al fursan i wont miss much, and Amethyst ( better on her than me). Other Mid Easters are - Kismet ( it’s ok) and Afro leather - which i would describe as ‘ barnyard ‘ really good tho. It’s one of those .. ‘ phwwaaaaaaarrrr’ frags , gutsy opening . Nice one 👍💜
My 2 sons love Ameer al Oudh intense Oud and Qaed Al Fursan (Neeb)😅. I need to purchase Asad for them. 👌
Can't go wrong
@@manuka7313 try Gaith by Khadlaj
It would bw really nice if you Reviewed Lattafa Wajood, i Personally find it to be a very nice and unique scent
I have fakhar and I m almost done with the bottle after two months. It s that good. Is a universal fragrance, you can wear it anywhere and is a very nice fresh sweet smell.
Neeb bro we need Top Maison Alhambra
QUESTION: What is the BEAST mode version of Quaid al Fursan???? I luv its scent but its very weak and not the best when it comes to performance. I need something similar but Good Projection, performance and long lasting.
Thanks for the content Neeb 😎
thanks for the shoutout! Glad you're enjoying the videos!
Have a couple of lattafa fragrances but ameer al oud stands out the most for me. Had fakhar but it was too sweet for me so I gave it away and recently got sheikh al shuyukh instead. It's dry down is really good.
I have like 6 of those fragrances 😅 great review Neeb 👍🏾
6 fragrances! That's awesome! Thanks for checking out the review !
@@aromatixrrt Actually make it 8 😂😂😂
I love Ragba Wood 🍻
same
Great work as always. Was wondering if you could do an overall ahmed al maghribi video. I know you've made some but not an overall haul. This has become one of my favorite brands but they have so many they havent been spoken on. Just my thoughts.
Next rate Armaf
What about khamarah qahwah?? Do you recommend??
In Neeb we Trust ❤
Neeb, just make a video on strong Oud perfumes that have an excellent sillage and projection. I do love Oud frags.
Ragba Wood Intense is great! Needs to be higher up… Qaed Al Fursan needs to pegged back, smells way too close to a Vodka Pineapple beverage.
I got Honour & Glory from one of your recommendations… it’s fantastic with loads of complments!
My two favorites are ASAD and Al Nashama Caprice ... also been a fan of Masion Alhambra's Exclusif line ... Tabac, Saffron, and Oud.
I was surprised by Zanzibar. Of course I would suggest Honor and Glory too.
What about lattafa oud for honor and glory ? You didn't mention it in the top 10
I'm sure neeb mentioned it is niche quality
Instead of Quaed al fursan, it should be lataffa Rave Now..way better in performance and same smell...
Also can be layered with cdnim
Nice vid❤
I have 9/10 of them
Yeaaaaa me 😜
This axe body spay is very intriguing name
This is for men to attract woman but it’s a body spray Axe Fine Fragrance Men's Deodorant Spray, Spiced Latte, Cardamom + Patchouli Aluminum Free, 4 oz
Don't sleep on Lattafa Emeer, fellas.
I skipped Amethyst. Eternal Oud is still on my list. But its summer. Sheikh Shuyukh Final Edition often in my rotation.
Rahgba for men deserves the honor to be mentioned. Awesome for its price tag.
Asad is my least favorite. But yes they are all in my collection and beat the crap out, by now, my limited designers.
Like my Prada is for show as I prefer 9PM to spray.
Ow and yep the wood intense also religious for me....😇
can you please do a clone wars for mfk grand soir?
Good job bro!
Thank you so much!
@@aromatixrrt no doubt
Need 10 unpopular lattafa frags
North stag IX perfect you recomend is like g soir. Clasy and spectacular
Jesus loves you give your life to God he gave his life for yours ❤
I have every of the fragrances mentioned in this video but angrily gave out Amenthyst because of it's annoyingly synthetic character, besides i think Suqraat should be on the list but Neeb knows better, so that ain't a problem to me
Asad is amazing! And for $25 Canadian?!?! Come on, that’s basically giving it away for free
It’s gorgeous, I spray it all the time, even just a wee Bakst so I can smell it on myself for a few hours minimum
Whats the rating for Ameer al Oudh Intense?
0
Definitely needs to be a 9 or 10
He forgot to rate it ig? Lol
Neeb you are the best😂😂😂😂. You introduced me to amethyst lattafa and now Im hooked😂😂😂. Now im at my 4th bottle 😂😂😂😂 , just fabulous
4 bottles in, you're a true fan 😂
@@aromatixrrt thanks to you , and i got only compliments
Amher al oud Intense for Mr is perfect. For the person start with oud❤
I would like to see the 10 from afnan , and maison al hambra also
, for lattafa i would really like Masa , antique , the twin liam, al Dana (best hacivat clone),the Al Nashama twins, sehr 😁🔥
You didn’t score my favorite perfume on that list 😢
Hi, Neeb.
Why you don‘t scored Ameer Al Oudh Intense? I‘m very interested what your Score for that juice…
Best regards, Attila.
Where is QAA'ED the golden one ( original ) ??
Waiting for yoy to review Lattafa "The Kingdom"
The only I can disagree on is RAGBA WOOD INTENSE its very unpleasant 😢 I don’t understand why people say is a good fragrance, i use it in my bathroom to get rid of bad smells….😅
Me too.
@@arymhansie i wish you a very wonderful week...
@@kenailifesgood4997 You too!
Maison Alhambra next
What are the better sauvage elixir clones ? (I also think asad has too much vanilla)
I own Qaed al Fursan, Hayaati, & Najdia because it's under $13. Maybe I'll try something more expensive like Asad & Khamrah
Could you please how can I get them under 13$?
@@simobouanani7436 I live in Indonesia and these three are no longer hype anymore
@@primamuliateguhis qaed al fursan a masculine or fem scent?
No honor and glory
Damn, I didn’t know I needed a ‘holy’ fragrance. As a Christian I respect and love my Islam brothers. Love the idea of something incense dark and holy.
I have Najdia Oud, i think its the most underrated lattafa fragrance ever, the price is unexistense to the fragrance quality
Which is the best sauvage elixir clone then?
I really like Lattafa Asad, but Frangrance World has Just Aswad that I feel is a little better.
Enigma Une is the best Elixir clone. He's said it before in a different vid. Super close to the actual Elixir. I have it but rarely wear it even tho my wife loves it. It's good, but I personally don't love the licorice or nutmeg. Too dense a frag for warm weather. Maybe I'll like it more in the cold, but I wish I'd bought Asad instead. It's half the price of enigma and it's easier to wear
Elixir Deluxe edition... I'm surprised that no one talks about it. The best sauvage elixir clone.
Gaith by Khadlaj
Even though certain scents are less expensive like Fakhar, the average person out there isn't going to realize or know that it's super high quality or not, and will still mass appeal to the average person,as opposed to a fragrance Guru.
Damn it's a nice list, I have most of them
But, is there any chances u are aware of a good Rehab clone?
I found Spicebomb Fresh very similar, but it's discontinued...
Honour & Glory 🍍 🍰
Nebras 💥
Al nashama needs to be here.
Honor & Glory or Amethys
Now are we just talking strictly Lattafa or their sub brands well?
Fakhar Gold
Rave Now
Mahir Legacy
Suqraat
Nebras
Qaed Al Fursan Unlimited
Vintage Radio
Atlas
Liam Blue Shine
Thouq (Delina Exclusif for the ladies)
Leonie/Libbra (YSL Libra for the ladies)
Maison Alhambra The Tux
Maison Alhambra Fabuloso Intense
This list can keep going Lol.
Neeb why lattafa had raghba in other bottle. You know the little one? Only curiosity
Pls rank 10 french avenue fragrance
What's a good channel allure homme sport clone? I got al dirgham and it's amazing, looming for smt similar. Love the vids
missoni wave..its a versace pour homme /allure homme sport mix....very nice
Lattafa Khalta Blend of Lattafa, a great fragrancen, no one talks about it.
W video bro
@neeb so what's the best overall ysl y EDP clone from other brands and I hope you are working on that discord.. thanks 👍🏾
Get lattafa fakrah
No lattafa jasoor?
Lattafa Khalta Blend of Lattafa is another great fragrance, no one talks about. 👌
You forgot to rate Ameer Al oud
Fakhar doesn't last
What about al qaim silver
Bro i need the plug those compression shirts 😭😭😭
I agree eternal oud is a 10!
Bka- hoodgood
Lattafa fakhar lasts all day? Reconsider bro. 1 hour max. very weak performance .
Yes, I agree
I usually spray Y over Fakhar to make it last
For me is a total disappointment. I use it only for gym
Maks video on proud of you oud
Keep up the awesome vids. Please don’t take this as hate but you cannot let influencers with no middle eastern background have a more correct pronunciation 😭. Badee al oud is more like bdee. The word you are saying does exist and it does make sense but it isn’t what is written on the bottle. You are saying بادع but on the bottle it says بديع
Err Neeb is a Yemeni and speaks Arabic. My mum is Saudi, every Arab has a very different dialect.
Ok
Top 3 freshies from Lattafa?
Hayaati, Nadija & Vintage Radio
So hard to concentrate on them perfumes cuz boi you got that man of a chest 🤩
Velvet Oud?
Yeah a very good leather forward fragrance(TF tuscan leather dupe). You can use it to layer with it as well. 👌
Nahhhhhh, it should not make the list, besides it's rather OMBRE LEATHER clone and everything dailed down
@@ObokomboI wouldn't say that.
Velvet Oud is beast performer for the price. Also Ramz Silver is great
@@krisdzons i had both of them, Velvet Oud is good but Ramz Silver sucks, it's too synthetic, if you want Ultra Male clone that is even better than 9pm get Maison Alhambra Glacier Ultra, it is a spitting image of the Original
@@ObokomboI have 9pm, and my bottle of Ramz Silver is on the way. I dont know maybe you need to mancerate for ramz silver, I heard that its scent vise closer to Ultra Male because of Pear note that is absent from 9pm.
Also 9pm in this hot days I wouldn't say it stinks but its definitely synthetic smelling even if I wear it on late hours or even under AC turned on. Idk. Thanks for recommendation.
As I heard from fragnatica and other people from youtube Velvet Oud is very long lasting but hey not every skin is same.