Tascam M 35 Vintage Mixing Console Overview and Demo
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- Tascam M 35 Vintage Mixing Console Overview, Details and Test
Closeups, details and a short demonstration of the Tascam M-35 analog mixing console from 1982!
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00:00 Start
00:08 Intro
01:10 Overview
01:59 Top Panel Controls
06:17 Back panel connections
09:04 Tascam M-35 usage
11:16 Tascam M-35 mix demo with Fostex R8
13:07 Summary and thank you!
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Thanks for sharing this. That's a nice little board. It's cool you restore them.
Thank you! I try to clean things up and show them in videos. I can't fix everything but I'm learning a lot.
Love this. I recently purchased a Fostex R8 and 450-8. Both units went to the shop as they were in need of some work. I e yet to use them together as I am like you, this stuff seems to find me lol. Thank you for sharing and pointing things out to me. I used to own a nice studio years ago lol. I had a Fostex E16 with 450-16, and I had a Tascam MSR24 and Fostex 2440 mixer. I enjoyed those pieces so much. Always wanted to get some JBL 4412’s lol. There’s no end to the fun.
I really like the R8. The transport is quick and accurate and it sounds good. I have a 450-8 as well as the Tascam M-35 and a Yamaha RM805 all of which are good match for the R8. I just end up with a lot of these things like the 450 I saved from a pawn shop. These things are so much fun to use! I've got several videos with the R9 including replacing the original plastic real pulleys with new aluminum ones. That and a calibration was really all my needed to sound very good. I also like it's portability and the less expensive tape cost for 1/4" tape on 7" reels.
I want a set up like that for sure!
It works well for me since I started recording with this type of console and tape machines. Works well for hybrid setups as well.
Great Video! this is like my Tascam M-308B!
The Tascam gear from the 80s is really good quality and the sound is unique and something that has grown more and more in popularity. The M-35 and M-308B are a bit different but have the same vibe with the M-308B having a lot more features. That's a good console.
Mr Grady, as always terrific video! You gave me some pointers on pairing my "new" Tascam DM24 digital mixing console and my DAW. Finally got a second ADAT interface and now enjoying 16 In/Out via ADAT (DAW has RME HDSP 9652 that accommodates 3 ADAT pairs). Looking for one more ADAT expansion card for the mixer to accommodate a full 24 channel digital I/O. The flexibility of channel routing on a digital console are incredibly flexible... I can choose to use the 100's of on-board effects of the Tascam mixer or the plugins on the DAW.
Sorry for long message, thank you so much for these helpful videos!
LJ & DAWathy (yes, named my DAW)
Great name! It sounds like your setup is coming along nicely and you'll have a lot of flexibility for recording and mixing. Tascam has always made really good reliable gear. I used to own a big M3500 and it sounded good and had 2 faders for each channel which I thought was really cool. Hopefully you can find another ADAT card to complete your setup the way you want. Thanks again!
There's a mu:zines scan called "the tascam way" sporting the M5/80-8 rig, also an 8×4 mixer. Neat!
Cool! I've never heard about that. I've used a 38 but never an original 80-8.
Nice1. Thanks for sharing that with us. Btw, what cleaning agents did you use to clean it up?
Mostly deoxit 5 to clean all the switches and pots. It was really easy with this mixer since it's modular. I also used some electronics cleaner to clean up the outside. I'm not sure what all is in it but has alcohol and probably some mild detergent. It came from my old job where I worked on computers and it's just basic electronics cleaner similar to screen cleaning wipes.
@@TwinCreekAudio awesome! Thanks for the prompt response and information, as usual: much appreciated.
@@wotizit2937 you're welcome! I enjoy making videos and helping with analog audio questions. That's the main reason I started this channel so I'm glad to be able to help. Thanks for watching!
Hey mate!
Im thinking of getting a Tascam M50.
It seems to look like its from a different line than this and the m308b.
Do you think it will sound similar?
I like the sound of this looking range and the 38 mixer.
The M50 is close to the same era as the M35 but it looks like it has more features and routing available. I would imagine the sound is pretty similar as well so if the sound of the preamps and the mixer will work and sound good on the sources that you want to record, then it should be a pretty good choice. The Tascam stuff from the early '80s is usually very good quality and reliable as well.
Hey there I have a question? Would I be able to send each individual drum instrument “kick, snare, hat” through the direct outs into a 8 pre into my interface? I’m looking for a good vintage mixer to add some color/saturation to my drums. Thank you
Sure, you should be able to do that by using the direct out and the direct button. You can also use the subgroup outputs and group routing switches if you want to combine multiple sources etc. Make sure to set the input level of the audio interface to -10 to march the M35's line levels
Looks familiar from back in the day A3340, A3440, 80-8 Open reel recorders... :)
The manual even mentions the 80-8. I used one of these back in the early 90s with a Tascam 38. I'm not absokutely sure it was M-35 but it looked really close and I remember it being really heavy and thick like this one. I haven't tried the preamps yet but I will. It's a good nostalgia piece at the very least.
So true! I once owned a 3340S and that console would have been terrific pairing with it!
Very kool board. I actually just bought one because of your videos. The only disappointment is there's only 1 efx send? Anyway of getting around that?
The Cue send can also be used for effects unless you need it for headphone mixes or something else. Cue and Effects are just the names they gave to the Aux sends. They can be used for either purpose and work the same. Good luck with your M-35. They are very well built and reliable.
@@TwinCreekAudio thank you for taking the time to explain.
@TwinCreekAudio Sir Grady, my board just arrived. It's beautiful almost flawless but unfortunately it's not turning on smh.. Is there a fuse or any advice you can give me
@@teflondaprince Maybe a fuse you can also check the power supply module which is removable. It's the far right module and pulls out once you fold the armrest down. In afraid I'm not a tech but make sure nothing is damaged and reseat the power supply module making sure the contacts are clean.
I have a Tascam M35 I love those preamps but how can I convert without distorting that sound? I make blues ... maybe an Aurora converter? Apogee what do you recommend
Most modern converters will do a good job with the M-35. The direct out and bus outs are at -10 line level so make sure that interface is set accordingly and you shouldn't have any issue with distortion. Personally I like the MOTU interfaces as they are good quality and have no issues with drivers and things.
Got this one after your video!
A question- so if I use line inputs I miss the transformer on preamp? I will use it to saturate synths and drum machine. What’s the best input options?
Thanks
You can still saturate things a bit with the line inputs but it's mainly involving opamps then and the M-35 was designed to be clean originally. You can also use a pair of DIs with the mic inputs. I think the Countryman are among the best sounding DIs without spending too much but you can also use a $30 Hosa DI.
@@TwinCreekAudioyes, kind a clean, but, it drives well if you use Cue knob twice. By the way
I can not get stereo signal from the CUE sends to the monitor out. (My buss is not working here) is there a way to do it ?
@@KosmoDeuz You should be able to select Cue with the switch under the Control Room pot. There isn't a direct way to add the send to the Program buses as they were meant to connect to external headphone amps. The same with the Effects send. It's meant to go to an effects unit and then the output of the effects device has to be brought back into the console through the effects receive and then can be added to the program buses which also go to the master, control room and studio feeds. If you are unable to hear anything from the Cue sends when you select Cue under control room, that could be a problem with the console. The switch is there so you can audition the cue mix on the studio monitors. Hope that helps.
@@KosmoDeuz also the Cue send is mono, not stereo. So then you select it in Control Room, you're hearing the mono Cue send mix being sent to both sides.
My friend. Just bought this console and im trying to use my AKG condenser mic with it. Would you help me with a suggestion on how to use it in this console please?
You will have to purchase an external 48V phantom power supply. Plug the mic into that and then into the mic inputs on the console.
These RCA send/receive jacks would have made patchbay wiring so much easier. At least I never found any Y/insert snake readily available. Also IIRC unbalanced connections are really not a big deal unless covering longer distances...
Unbalanced connections don't seem to be a huge issue for me even with electronic items all around the room. I don't have an RCA or RCA to 1/4" patchbay but I may need to get one to use with all my unbalanced gear to make patching easier. Having those access send and receive connections make the console more useful for sure. I was really surprised that the M-35 is so quiet. Sounds pretty good too but I havent tried the transformer balanced mic pres yet but I will be doing that in a video soon.
I found an M-30 in May. I need to find parts for it though. If you have any ideas where I can get some, that would be great.
Try Tascam Ninja. Possibly eBay as well. I got parts for my R8 from Tascam Ninja and they were great.
@@TwinCreekAudio I looked, he didn't have any parts, I'll have to send him an email. I see you have a busted fader too. Your console is a lot cleaner than the one that I found.
@@MikeFoerster I'm looking for a fader for mine as well. I'm guessing something will come along from eBay eventually. You can also find another one for parts. They can be had cheap if they aren't working.
great stuff...I have Tascam M-2600....Been trying to route it through audio interface to DAW, any help?. Thanks
You should be able to connect the direct outs on individual channels or the bus outputs to the inputs of an audio interface. Then connect the interface outputs to tape inputs on the console. You need an interface with a number of individual inputs and outputs. I've made a few videos on this subject. I'll dig up some links and post them here soon.
@@TwinCreekAudio thanks so much
Hi, I have a question about panning on my freshly acquired M-35: How do I pan my guitars while analog summing with it?
=> I'm sending 4 stereo busses from my DAW to the 8 channels/input modules through either their line in's or tape in's (in order to sonically benefit from the 8 transformers).
Then I assign each pair of input modules to the 4 "sub masters".
Then stereo out via the control room and back to my DAW. And it works (but no panning).
I originally planned 4 busses: Drums, guitars, bass, voice/synth.
I wish to pan the 2 guitars. They are on input modules 3 and 4.
I send them both to sub master 2. Unfortunately, I can't seem to pan them.
It seems I need to send those 2 inputs to 2 different busses in order to eventually get to pan them, but this gets way too confusing....
Can I use your experience to help me find a way?
Thank you!
The sub masters are mono so you need to use a pair. Assign the guitars to both sub masters and pan between them. I think that's the only thing you haven't got right. I normally use a pair of sub masters as my stereo master so I end up only using 2 subgroups on my final mixes with the M-35. You can still use the control room output or studio output to capture the final stereo mix too. I'll see what else I think of when I can look at my M-35 in person tomorrow.
@@TwinCreekAudio thank you very much! They're MONO! I get it now. It's working. Thanx again! Have a great day. Cheers from Belgium
However, the pan knobs in the input modules still dont work. I could only use those from the sub masters... If that makes any difference, I have plugged into the console via the 8 line in's.
@@OffsetterX I'll look at my M-35 today to be sure but I think the subgroups may need to be planned hard left and right too
@@TwinCreekAudio I think I've figured it out: First, assign 2 buttons on both channel strips, for example the the blues and reds on channels 1 and 2.
That sends them to sub modules 1 and 2. Next, do a hard pan left and right on both pan knobs within each of the two sub modules.
Then, pan both orange pan knobs to taste on the channel strips. That worked for me.
Would I get much from changing from an M-208 to an M 35 when recording to tape with eight channels? Seems like the main thing would be the transformers? Also, I would have to set up my inserts with new cables I guess. Honestly I think it might be a bit more trouble than it is worth. But, there is a good deal locally on an M35.
If memory serves, the M-208 has more features than the M-35. The main advantage of the M-35 is the modular construction and the mic transformers. I'm not sure that the sound would be that much different between the two but I have not used an M-208 in many years so it's hard to make an accurate comparison. Or maybe you could use both of them? The M35 has inputs for the subgroups and the master in order to connect another mixer to its buses so that might be something you could do. Recent prices on the M-35 are around the $500 to $650 area. I got this one for $300 which is pretty good deal.
@@TwinCreekAudio Saw one nearby for $250! So that is tempting in itself.
@@GearZenChannel that a decent price for sure. These things are heavy and built really well. Easy to take the channels out and clean too. The one I have is fairly quiet and the preamps sound good.
@@TwinCreekAudio Well, I just put together a song with my M-208 and I believe it is a keeper. I'm going to stop chasing gear for a bit and just make music! I have to do a bit more deoxit spraying, but the 208 really sounds great.
@@GearZenChannel that's great! I haven't used one in a long time but I know of a lot of records made on an M-208. If you ever listen to Steve Hartz, the old time music and bluegrass artists, a lot of his early records were done with an M-208 and an ADAT. My favorite of his is Crooked Steep and Rocky but he's made several albums with that setup before going to PT though I think he still uses the M-208 for preamps.
How about noise? Is the mixer noisy?
The M35 isn't really noisy at all. It's extremely quiet in my opinion. Especially for something made in 1982 and mine has not been recapped or modified in any way.
when you say you wind up with like 5, 6, 7 different mixers all around the place, do people just donate mixing consoles to you or .... ? you talk about this starting at 13:28
Yes that is correct. Sometimes people do donate things and other times if I find a good deal I'll buy it in order to make a video with it. I've also tested some gear including a mixer or two that were just loan to me for a video. So I guess it's a little of everything. The smaller mixers like the Tascam M35 and the fostex 450 were mixers I found cheap. So sometimes I tend to accumulate stuff because of this channel and my gear habit in general. Lol!
@@TwinCreekAudio I wish people would donate a cup of food for me ! :)