This is a fantastic concept. This is similar to one I made some years ago, but this with the 3d printed parts etc. The piezoelectric concept reminds me of the crystal cartridges made years ago for records. With this concept it would be worth finding a Colombian machine like this four parts and putting an electric motor on it. Complete electric phonograph. Love this. On my channel you will find my attempt at phonograph related things. Pickups, machines etc
Thanks for the kind words. The concept isn't new but with this video I wanted to demonstrate how easy it could be and how well it can perform. Demonstrating the modern possibillities from a slightly different angle.
“Smeller ws50” soldering iron and a commodore64 oscilloscope… probably more but these I spotted. On second time watching. Strange brand of caulk too. 🙂
You've spotted them all. Although only the caulk cartridge and the soldering iron were intentional. The oscilloscope with the C64 label wasn't. I rescued that label from a scrap C64 a long long time ago, didn't know what to do with it and stuck it on my oscilloscope. It lives there for many years now. And, which impresses me the most, uses the same adhesive tape that it was stuck onto the C64 with now almost 40 years ago. The soldering iron seemed funny at the moment and I think I'll keep it that way, I can only hope that that adhesive will be just as good.
No worries, she was only acting and she did a brilliant job. Although a bit stubborn sometimes... She got some extra (well earned) treats the days I filmed the cat related scenes.
Very nicely done. Does the speed of the drum vary? I wonder if putting an encoder on the drum and correcting the recording based on speed through recording would be of use. Ooooor mega overkill. These are two possibilities 🙃
The speed of the drum doesn't seem to vary much. It's more the general speed that never seems to be right. As the recording speed often was changed during recording to fit the song better to the size of the cylinder. Now you can change that easily on the machine. Also speed drops during playback if the spring isn't fully wound (but that's not an issue, simple use the device as intended and you can easily play a full cylinder. But speed variation is not worth the effort of fixing it in post (using an encoder to measure the speed during recording). Although I like the concept, so thanks for mentioning. Doesn't have to be really difficult, the encoder could be combined with the audio signal since the recording can be done in stereo, you could use one channel (left) for audio and the other channel (right) for the speed info (encoder pulses). This way you have accurate info about the position of the cylinder and could correct in software later on. I'll not be pursuing that concept, simply because the software would be a project in itself in order to do it right.
They were in use in the forties already and enabled lighter tracking forces. Interesring to see the pickup applied to cylinder records, but the results would have been better with a phonograph with feedscrew tracking and a sturdier motor.
Hello Norm, I made my stylus myself and in the video "reproducing a reproducer" I show how to do that (although I used regular glass). The main problem with borosilicate glass is the higher melting point, so if you start with a piece of glass that's too big, you'll have difficulty melting it using a regular flame. If you have a very thin piece of borosilicate glass already, then you can do it with a normal flame, although it does require some practice. Anyway, there are shops online that can help you out with a ready made stylus for your machine, although I don't have any direct links to them. Regular glass does work fine for occasional use and simple/short experiments, but it is not recommended for a serious repair/restoration, for that you do need a borosilicate glass stylus. See my website for more info about the how and why.
I've created the 3D printed parts using FreeCAD and I've put the design files on my github page: github.com/JanDerogee/Phonograph_piezo_pickup/tree/main/3D_printed_parts However, the design might not be perfectly suited for the type of piezo element you are using, so please check all possible measurements regarding the placement of the element and make adjustments to the design accordingly. For detailed photos regarding it's construction: janderogee.com/projects/reproducer_piezo/piezo_reproducer.htm
Nice. I've done experiments like this before and have really developed a fine art in preserving sound. I actually downloaded my phonograph video back in the day and put the audio on a media file and burned it on a CD. Still have the disc. I really like to preserve my pink Lambert and see what digitizing does to this one. Cornfield Medley Sung by the American Quartet roughly 1901. Enjoy this video. Even though video quality isn't great the cylinders audio is quite nice and clear but would probably sound better if digitized ua-cam.com/video/OqDXzUZLjNw/v-deo.htmlsi=Z-8SFgfeoqWAChg0
that actually sounds quite poor and is a lot of work. the CANAPHONIC ARCHIVETTE slips on to an Edison reproducer and provides high quality archivable results.
I experienced that most of the skipping I experienced was caused by hitting the table by accident. Or by not having the phonograph perfectly level. The fact that the cylinders I have aren't perfect doesn't help either. But to be honest, I I had a perfect cylinder... I wouldn't dare playing it.
This is a fantastic concept. This is similar to one I made some years ago, but this with the 3d printed parts etc. The piezoelectric concept reminds me of the crystal cartridges made years ago for records.
With this concept it would be worth finding a Colombian machine like this four parts and putting an electric motor on it. Complete electric phonograph. Love this.
On my channel you will find my attempt at phonograph related things. Pickups, machines etc
Thanks for the kind words. The concept isn't new but with this video I wanted to demonstrate how easy it could be and how well it can perform. Demonstrating the modern possibillities from a slightly different angle.
That's great, wonder what it would sound like playing back record LP's ?
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Super cool. Great job.
“Smeller ws50” soldering iron and a commodore64 oscilloscope… probably more but these I spotted. On second time watching. Strange brand of caulk too. 🙂
You've spotted them all. Although only the caulk cartridge and the soldering iron were intentional. The oscilloscope with the C64 label wasn't. I rescued that label from a scrap C64 a long long time ago, didn't know what to do with it and stuck it on my oscilloscope. It lives there for many years now. And, which impresses me the most, uses the same adhesive tape that it was stuck onto the C64 with now almost 40 years ago. The soldering iron seemed funny at the moment and I think I'll keep it that way, I can only hope that that adhesive will be just as good.
I like piezo
I like your video style
I like the cat
Feels bad for the cat having to wait outside for all the days for epoxy and caulk curing, and 3D printing.
No worries, she was only acting and she did a brilliant job. Although a bit stubborn sometimes...
She got some extra (well earned) treats the days I filmed the cat related scenes.
I can relate in trying to record and getting interrupted lol
I like you. You're funny, and you don't bother with retraction. :)
Gravity is a powerful force.
Very nicely done.
Does the speed of the drum vary?
I wonder if putting an encoder on the drum and correcting the recording based on speed through recording would be of use. Ooooor mega overkill. These are two possibilities 🙃
The speed of the drum doesn't seem to vary much. It's more the general speed that never seems to be right. As the recording speed often was changed during recording to fit the song better to the size of the cylinder. Now you can change that easily on the machine. Also speed drops during playback if the spring isn't fully wound (but that's not an issue, simple use the device as intended and you can easily play a full cylinder. But speed variation is not worth the effort of fixing it in post (using an encoder to measure the speed during recording). Although I like the concept, so thanks for mentioning. Doesn't have to be really difficult, the encoder could be combined with the audio signal since the recording can be done in stereo, you could use one channel (left) for audio and the other channel (right) for the speed info (encoder pulses). This way you have accurate info about the position of the cylinder and could correct in software later on. I'll not be pursuing that concept, simply because the software would be a project in itself in order to do it right.
How about using a piezo-electric diaphragm on a lateral reproducer: will it work well?
I can not see any reason why that should not work, could be an interesting experiment.
They were in use in the forties already and enabled lighter tracking forces. Interesring to see the pickup applied to cylinder records, but the results would have been better with a phonograph with feedscrew tracking and a sturdier motor.
Very cool! Now where in the heck do you get a borosilicate stylus?
Hello Norm, I made my stylus myself and in the video "reproducing a reproducer" I show how to do that (although I used regular glass). The main problem with borosilicate glass is the higher melting point, so if you start with a piece of glass that's too big, you'll have difficulty melting it using a regular flame. If you have a very thin piece of borosilicate glass already, then you can do it with a normal flame, although it does require some practice. Anyway, there are shops online that can help you out with a ready made stylus for your machine, although I don't have any direct links to them. Regular glass does work fine for occasional use and simple/short experiments, but it is not recommended for a serious repair/restoration, for that you do need a borosilicate glass stylus. See my website for more info about the how and why.
@@janderogee Great, I'll check out the other video, thanks!
Are the cad files available
I've created the 3D printed parts using FreeCAD and I've put the design files on my github page: github.com/JanDerogee/Phonograph_piezo_pickup/tree/main/3D_printed_parts
However, the design might not be perfectly suited for the type of piezo element you are using, so please check all possible measurements regarding the placement of the element and make adjustments to the design accordingly.
For detailed photos regarding it's construction: janderogee.com/projects/reproducer_piezo/piezo_reproducer.htm
Nice. I've done experiments like this before and have really developed a fine art in preserving sound. I actually downloaded my phonograph video back in the day and put the audio on a media file and burned it on a CD. Still have the disc. I really like to preserve my pink Lambert and see what digitizing does to this one. Cornfield Medley Sung by the American Quartet roughly 1901. Enjoy this video. Even though video quality isn't great the cylinders audio is quite nice and clear but would probably sound better if digitized
ua-cam.com/video/OqDXzUZLjNw/v-deo.htmlsi=Z-8SFgfeoqWAChg0
No way he used the pencil casset trick
that actually sounds quite poor and is a lot of work. the CANAPHONIC ARCHIVETTE slips on to an Edison reproducer and provides high quality archivable results.
true, but i feel like the purpose of the video is to demonstrate one could be made at home
Too loud hasn't the effect, that the needle skips, because it was hill and dale.
I experienced that most of the skipping I experienced was caused by hitting the table by accident. Or by not having the phonograph perfectly level. The fact that the cylinders I have aren't perfect doesn't help either. But to be honest, I I had a perfect cylinder... I wouldn't dare playing it.
Poor cat😢
No worries, she's fine now.