Hello ,just to say I have been in the trade since I was 15 now I am 71 and I would like to say that you're experience and the way you explain things is spot on .
Awesome video Al👍, my friend has had that problem of hot water coming out of the vent pipe on the F&E cistern. I thought air was getting into the central heating circuit and causing the boiler to overheat and shut down. I hadn't considered a blockage on the system. Thanks you.🔥👊👍
Same problem this problem started after plumber turned up central heating pump to max speed 3,turned the pump down to 1st speed cured hot water pumping like mad into F& E tank and overflowing tank and chucking put overflow pipe top of house.
Derek thanks video....there is no cold water feed to the F&E tank the stop cock is turned on?I even took plastic Ball cock apart no water coming through any ideas I'm stumped?
Hi Al and Jan, thanks for the info, looks a nice day down there, nice here as well in Yorkshire, please keep the videos coming , we realy apreciate it, hope your both doing ok, best wishe's, Stuart.uk.
Hi, great video, however my problem of very hot water filling the F&E was solved by turning the pump speed to the lowest setting...also gave the pump a clean out and checked its muscle by sticking a screwdriver in while it was operating.
Great video Question for you . I think my cylinder needs replacing because it is exactly how you described the problem. a heating engineer didn't listen to me when I explained and described the problems he went up the loft and said he bent the ball valve arm in the F&E tank ?? to stop it leaking but it never stopped and has condemned my boiler which I will have to replace. My question is will a new boiler rectify this ? if my cylinder coil has gone a new boiler wont fix the problem will it ? PLEASE REPLY 😁😁
@@dereton33 thanks so much for your reply I'm not a plumber or a gas engineer but i like to problem solve things because I like learning still even at my age and if he had listened to me about the symptoms then totally different outcome disappointed with the style of ethics of some of todays plumbers and gas engineers 👍👍👍👍 I wont be paying them for my boiler if it doesn't solve the problem which you and I know it wont
Hi Dereton ,Silly Question , how could you diagnose if it was the cylinder at fault, or sludge in the system , is there a simple test , ie would switching of the boiler, stop the overflow problem thus indicating it could be the cylinder problem , know nothing about plumbing ,many thanks in advance .
Hi Al, ive had my cylinder and boiler replaced and I've got this problem, I syphoned some of the water out but it fills up and drips constantly out the overflow pipe. it's not the ball valve, I've checked that.......any ideas ?
As you have had your cylinder replaced it cannot be the inner coil. So check you do not have an over heating problem where the tank fills up via the expansion pipe going into the tank.
@@dereton33 Thanks for your reply, yes I think that's where it's coming from, I've messaged the guy who fitted it all, just waiting for him to get back to me.
Hi there I seem to have this issue but with the expansion loop on the main bigger tank causing overflow for a while. Now I removed main tank by giving main feed to the single exit pipe at the bottom but I am getting constant hot water out the expansion pipe. So that may be an underlying issue. The other issue is I believe this is a vented system so do I need a expansion vessel? I'm not too good with these normally I work on combi systems.
Did you connect the main supply to the cold feed to the cylinder if you did you may well blow the hot tank apart as well as that water venting, the central heating boiler could also blow under mains pressure. Yes you do need an expansion vessel. If you have no experience with these systems leave them alone
I have this same kind of system with the 2 tanks in the loft but I have a different problem. I was getting a lot of funny noises coming from the hot water tank and some of my radiators were a bit colder than others. So I bled the radiators that had trapped air but now my boiler won't come on so I have no hot water or heating! I had the same problem once before and managed to get it working by pouring buckets of water into the smaller loft tank. I'm sure this can't be the proper solution. The ball valve is floating in the air, not sitting in the water, maybe this could be a problem? Any advise would be so much appreciated!
Hi Deretoon33 thank you for your videos they're fabulous! I'm wondering if you can help with a problem. I recently had a leak on an underfloor copper pipe in the bedroom that got resolved by a plumber. However, I don't have any hot water or radiators now. I have a back boiler. I have tried resetting the programmer but that didn't work. Went into the loft today and noticed the f and e tank water level was below the outlet hole and what appeared to be reminisce of a previous water line, and the ball float was low. Wobbling the float didn't make a differenc, no water was coming into the tank. I thought I might need a new ball cock float but not being a plumber thought it strange that the water wasn't coming in to the expansion tank. I followed the inlet supply pipe feed from the expansion tank that lead me to the main tank like a 2 way valve with a tap on it so naturally checked to see if the tap was in the open position (although nobody's been in the loft). The tap was so stiff I tried to turn it gently with some pliers and it managed to move but I also noticed the tap was entirely in the off position so water could come into the main cistern tank but not the f and e tank. The f and e tank is now filled and the ball cock does work but I think it's strange that the radiators and hot water have been working since I bought the house and moved in over a year ago, is it possible for the heating and hot water to work when technically the supply to the f and e tank was off but the supply to the main big btank was on? It looked like it had been off for a very long time. I also bled all the radiators just in case but only the usual bedroom and bathroom radiator let lots of air out. The back boiler seems to have fired up and heating water for the moment but and worried what might have caused the boiler to stop working since the problem only seemed to arrise once the leak was fixed as the plumber wasn't called out about the boiler and I now can't get hold of him. Hope this makes sense? Any help and wisdom appreciated. Thank you
The water even when turned off to the F and E tank would last quite a long time. If you start to get an overflow from that tank, then you will know the reason was because the inner coil of the cylinder is gone.
Hello ,just to say I have been in the trade since I was 15 now I am 71 and I would like to say that you're experience and the way you explain things is spot on .
Thank you for your kind comments.
Taking the time too help someone, nice bloke,, I'll be sure too ask if I ever get stuck with something, stay safe 👍
Please do!
I think it's a Wren. Smashing video thank you!
Could be
Awesome video Al👍, my friend has had that problem of hot water coming out of the vent pipe on the F&E cistern. I thought air was getting into the central heating circuit and causing the boiler to overheat and shut down. I hadn't considered a blockage on the system. Thanks you.🔥👊👍
Thanks for the info
Same problem this problem started after plumber turned up central heating pump to max speed 3,turned the pump down to 1st speed cured hot water pumping like mad into F& E tank and overflowing tank and chucking put overflow pipe top of house.
Derek thanks video....there is no cold water feed to the F&E tank the stop cock is turned on?I even took plastic Ball cock apart no water coming through any ideas I'm stumped?
Hi Al and Jan, thanks for the info, looks a nice day down there, nice here as well in Yorkshire, please keep the videos coming , we realy apreciate it, hope your both doing ok, best wishe's, Stuart.uk.
Thanks, will do! Keep well too mate.
Cheers, Al. Stay safe!
You too mate.
Hi, great video, however my problem of very hot water filling the F&E was solved by turning the pump speed to the lowest setting...also gave the pump a clean out and checked its muscle by sticking a screwdriver in while it was operating.
Thanks for sharing
Hi, how did you realise this was the issue?
I've just had new CH pumps fitted recently and now have hot water in FnE with an overflow
found this video very informative and useful al stay safe.
Glad it was helpful! Keep well mate.
Great video Question for you . I think my cylinder needs replacing because it is exactly how you described the problem. a heating engineer didn't listen to me when I explained and described the problems he went up the loft and said he bent the ball valve arm in the F&E tank ?? to stop it leaking but it never stopped and has condemned my boiler which I will have to replace.
My question is will a new boiler rectify this ? if my cylinder coil has gone a new boiler wont fix the problem will it ? PLEASE REPLY 😁😁
No it will not, but at least he will be responsible for sorting it out then, as you can say you did tell him before hand.
@@dereton33 thanks so much for your reply I'm not a plumber or a gas engineer but i like to problem solve things because I like learning still even at my age and if he had listened to me about the symptoms then totally different outcome disappointed with the style of ethics of some of todays plumbers and gas engineers 👍👍👍👍 I wont be paying them for my boiler if it doesn't solve the problem which you and I know it wont
Great advice thank you, this tank driving me nuts lol
Glad to help
Thank you for the video. Yes the bird was just beautiful 🐦
We usually get too much noise from planes trains and traffic to hear them normally, such a delight. Keep well Lily.
dereton33 and you Jan and the fur family 👍🐶😻
good video , hope your well
Thanks, you too!
Hi Dereton ,Silly Question , how could you diagnose if it was the cylinder at fault, or sludge in the system , is there a simple test , ie would switching of the boiler, stop the overflow problem thus indicating it could be the cylinder problem , know nothing about plumbing ,many thanks in advance .
Yes if it runs when the boiler is off then it is this problem.
Hi Al, ive had my cylinder and boiler replaced and I've got this problem, I syphoned some of the water out but it fills up and drips constantly out the overflow pipe. it's not the ball valve, I've checked that.......any ideas ?
As you have had your cylinder replaced it cannot be the inner coil. So check you do not have an over heating problem where the tank fills up via the expansion pipe going into the tank.
@@dereton33 Thanks for your reply, yes I think that's where it's coming from, I've messaged the guy who fitted it all, just waiting for him to get back to me.
@@dereton33 Thanks Al for the reply, I think this is the case tbh so what is causing it ?
@@jamiefors5062 did you get a solution after all?
Hi there I seem to have this issue but with the expansion loop on the main bigger tank causing overflow for a while. Now I removed main tank by giving main feed to the single exit pipe at the bottom but I am getting constant hot water out the expansion pipe. So that may be an underlying issue. The other issue is I believe this is a vented system so do I need a expansion vessel? I'm not too good with these normally I work on combi systems.
Did you connect the main supply to the cold feed to the cylinder if you did you may well blow the hot tank apart as well as that water venting, the central heating boiler could also blow under mains pressure. Yes you do need an expansion vessel. If you have no experience with these systems leave them alone
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Ha ha great idea Paul.
The ball in this tank seems to have compressed and is no longer a ball, guessing its not rated for heat?
My tank*
Used to have copper ones years ago.
@@dereton33 I have seen them before, I'm an sparky so not a great plumber haha just wondered if I should put a copper one in if you can still get them
Thanks. I would just assume it's the ballcock
Ye a common mistake.
So if it drips constantly as mine does it is more likely to be the cylinder than the ballcock?
Yes, but go up and check the tank. Bale it out below the valve just to make sure it is not letting by first.
dereton33 thanks will do, fingers crossed it’s the ballcock!
I have this same kind of system with the 2 tanks in the loft but I have a different problem. I was getting a lot of funny noises coming from the hot water tank and some of my radiators were a bit colder than others. So I bled the radiators that had trapped air but now my boiler won't come on so I have no hot water or heating! I had the same problem once before and managed to get it working by pouring buckets of water into the smaller loft tank. I'm sure this can't be the proper solution. The ball valve is floating in the air, not sitting in the water, maybe this could be a problem? Any advise would be so much appreciated!
Give the valve a wiggle up and down and it should start to fill and work again.
Hi Al, the water in my F&E tank is slightly warm when heating is on, is this normal?
Yes quite normal.
@@dereton33 many thanks Al
THANK YOU,,,,,
You are welcome!
Hi Deretoon33 thank you for your videos they're fabulous!
I'm wondering if you can help with a problem.
I recently had a leak on an underfloor copper pipe in the bedroom that got resolved by a plumber. However, I don't have any hot water or radiators now.
I have a back boiler.
I have tried resetting the programmer but that didn't work.
Went into the loft today and noticed the f and e tank water level was below the outlet hole and what appeared to be reminisce of a previous water line, and the ball float was low. Wobbling the float didn't make a differenc, no water was coming into the tank. I thought I might need a new ball cock float but not being a plumber thought it strange that the water wasn't coming in to the expansion tank. I followed the inlet supply pipe feed from the expansion tank that lead me to the main tank like a 2 way valve with a tap on it so naturally checked to see if the tap was in the open position (although nobody's been in the loft). The tap was so stiff I tried to turn it gently with some pliers and it managed to move but I also noticed the tap was entirely in the off position so water could come into the main cistern tank but not the f and e tank.
The f and e tank is now filled and the ball cock does work but I think it's strange that the radiators and hot water have been working since I bought the house and moved in over a year ago, is it possible for the heating and hot water to work when technically the supply to the f and e tank was off but the supply to the main big btank was on? It looked like it had been off for a very long time.
I also bled all the radiators just in case but only the usual bedroom and bathroom radiator let lots of air out.
The back boiler seems to have fired up and heating water for the moment but and worried what might have caused the boiler to stop working since the problem only seemed to arrise once the leak was fixed as the plumber wasn't called out about the boiler and I now can't get hold of him.
Hope this makes sense?
Any help and wisdom appreciated.
Thank you
The water even when turned off to the F and E tank would last quite a long time. If you start to get an overflow from that tank, then you will know the reason was because the inner coil of the cylinder is gone.
My neighbours overflow pipe from the loft just spat out enough water to fill a full bath tub
What could I tell them might be the problem lol
If it is that much then it could be the valve in the main roof tank, If it was hot water then the boiler is overheating.
@@dereton33 guessing it wasn't hot
Was surprising how much come shooting out lasted around 2 minutes
If I win the lottery, I'll get someone in to change my boiler, ALL the piping etc. Fed up with the constant repairs on my old system.
It`s like an old car, always breaking down.
All this is beyond me🤦♂️
Best call a plumber then.Ha ha.
@@dereton33 oh i did £300 to change radiator leaking nut.🤯