Removing Zoanthids and Palythoa from the rock can be difficult. Here's how I did it. reefbuilders Texas Man Dies from Apparent Exposure to Palytoxin reefbuilders.c...
Great informative video Scott! When I first joined the hobby a few years ago, I was hesitant to even purchase zoas or palys but overtime I saw how calmly the employees at my lfs were when handling and bagging them, i realized most of the danger is when you are fragging and really messing with them. Anyone who has these in their reef should always keep fresh carbon in their tanks and if you plan to frag them, take all the necessary precautions. You can order full arm length gloves and goggles on Amazon for cheap. A mask isn’t a bad idea either. Full arm length gloves should be something we all have anyways so that we keep any oils or anything out of the reef. Good luck everyone, practice safety when working on corals and you’ll be fine. Happy reefing!
Your PPE use is NOT overkill. I would even consider a tyvec jumpsuit I’ve had a near miss with palytoxin Luckily I just had metallic taste and very slight tingling to fingertips. Honestly is scared the crap out of me since I have no idea how I got poisoned. I was removing hair algae from zoanthids and had to pull a few polyps using long tweezers. I had gloves and long sleeve shirt face shield and mask.
i have some crazy neon green palys and yellow palys also mohawks. i cant remove rock because my tank is to small and they are on main rocks! Right where I wan to put torches in one tank. Will torches smother them out? The other 20 gallon maybe tweezers. Not quite as bad! Any other suggestions? I s there maybe something I can inject like peroxide?
It’s a big deal. Bad news is when rewatching it I noticed I didn’t put a glove on about half way through after starting the camera. Not problem most Reefers have LOL. Fortunately I had no problems
people often say no one's died from palytoxin but many have died from the complications. this is the loosest video I've seen. I thought you were so game. they are one of my favourite corals and one if the reasons I got in to marine besides seeing reefing as a challenge. have you ever ripped zoas or palys off the rock with tweezers like that's and managed to frag them? I wouldn't be game to try it but they did appear to come off intact so now I am curious. I'm about to rip clean my tank and possibly remove all my zoas die to an outbreak of algae like you've never seen in your life.
It depends on the type some grow slowly and it’s not really a big deal others will take over everything. It doesn’t hurt to try it on an island until you know how it grows
Palys are hard to kill. A few years ago my light died. At the same time my husband had a heart attack and a stroke. Anyways, I didn't pay much attention to my tank and really didn't have desire to take care of it while my husband was healing. It was neglected for about a year. I started up my tank several months ago. The heater wasn't working, no light, no water changes. The only thing that survived was a damsel and a paly frag. Amazing the paly survived. My tank is doing great now and so is my husband
Don't be so judgemental until you walk in someone else's shoes. My husband almost died 3 times. I see your point but you have no idea of the hell I went through, which included lose of income. I had to step down my position on my job because I couldn't handle it. Yeh, when I look back I could have made better decisions, but when you deal with someone recovering from 15 strokes, and 2 heart surgeries and your almost evicted, well you just don't think logically
@@annebartells777 I have had some time to think about this and even though what you did is extremely wrong you have my compassion and sympathy. When we take these pets under our care its with understanding that they are a priority exactly when life deals us crushing blows. Your tank isn't doing fine now, your tank perished and you started over. The question is, when life throws disaster your way in the future will you allow this tank to rot as meaningless and repeat history or will you remember the stranger who bothered to correct you.
@@firstname713 yes, I was never proud of my neglect of my tank. I beat myself up enough. I have given away a snake, a ferret, a very expensive bird(including the cage). Oh, and a rabbit at some point in my life because I wasn't taking care of their emotional needs. I never starved anything. I was in a bad position and I didn't think. My tank crashed within a couple of weeks. I spent about 3 maybe 4 hours a night sleeping. I worked and then spent hours at the hospital. Giving a better home to something is not alien to me. I wasn't thinking. I was overwhelmed, depressed. I lost thousands of dollars in coral. Torturing something wasn't in my game plan. I just didn't think. To survive I detached myself from everything. I also told myself that if I ever got back into the hobby I would not let that happen again. I made that promise to myself before I got back into the hobby. I have a very happy reef now and one fish. The damsel. He deserves to have his territory to himself. He's a very happy fish and I get a lot of joy watching him.
@@annebartells777 I am sorry for being so harsh towards you. I find that so many people in reef keeping consider coral as "things" to collect in a display and not animals. It makes my blood boil because they depend on us much more so than a different pet when the oceans are already in turmoil. I am happy you are finding so much joy in your tank at this point in your life. I suggest making it ultra low maintenance and keeping easy coral so you can manage easier when life gets difficult. As much as i love SPS its just not something I can care for adequately.
@@firstname713 I totally understand were you are coming from. I never thought of coral as a thing. It breaks my heart to think of the life that was lost. And I already took your advice. I refuse to get a coral I can't care for properly. My tank is set up with less maintenance corals. The damsel I have is very territorial. I won't get another fish until he lives out his natural life. I don't want to stress him out. He deserves to live a happy life
Fun times. I was just removing a ton of pink palys from my frag tank. They actually infest several of my tanks. Even isolating them eventually they grow up the front glass, up the back glass ect. In my nano they even grew into the hob filter. On the eggcrate I can cut and pull them off underwater which is much safer for me but less safe for the frags. Limited myself to 50 or so polyps a day and after 5 days got the bulk of them gone. Seeing that tile saw brought back memories. I haven't used one in probably 10 years. I know they don't cut the same things but replaced it with one of those inland bandsaws just before they started making ones designed for corals, but still does the job.
I'm a beginner just starting to research saltwater aquariums so obviously I came across Palytoxin poisoning and it's a little scary. This may be a dumb question, but can't you just avoid the risk altogether by not buying or growing any Palys or Zoas? Do they somehow just grow on their own?
Those paly's are experts at surviving and you call them stupid. They must be sad that all their survival skills are called stupid. They might just overgrow a monti because you said that.
@@MileHighReefers I did and my gsp never got bigger than 50 cent piece I do not understand I'm hoping my new 94 gallon system I will have better luck at it
My mushroom corals did great they split into 12 pieces which I was able to trade some in then all hell broke loose I had a major issue with aiptasia and I tried everything nothing work but my butterfly fish now I am dealing with major green hair algae
Great informative video Scott! When I first joined the hobby a few years ago, I was hesitant to even purchase zoas or palys but overtime I saw how calmly the employees at my lfs were when handling and bagging them, i realized most of the danger is when you are fragging and really messing with them. Anyone who has these in their reef should always keep fresh carbon in their tanks and if you plan to frag them, take all the necessary precautions. You can order full arm length gloves and goggles on Amazon for cheap. A mask isn’t a bad idea either. Full arm length gloves should be something we all have anyways so that we keep any oils or anything out of the reef. Good luck everyone, practice safety when working on corals and you’ll be fine. Happy reefing!
Fantastic advice!
Glad you were able to take out the nuisance Palys as well as gearing up in regards to protecting yourself
Your PPE use is NOT overkill.
I would even consider a tyvec jumpsuit
I’ve had a near miss with palytoxin
Luckily I just had metallic taste and very slight tingling to fingertips.
Honestly is scared the crap out of me since I have no idea how I got poisoned.
I was removing hair algae from zoanthids and had to pull a few polyps using long tweezers.
I had gloves and long sleeve shirt face shield and mask.
It’s crazy how potent this toxin is. So good to hear your ok
Now that you have them cut removed... How do you dispose of them?
i have some crazy neon green palys and yellow palys also mohawks. i cant remove rock because my tank is to small and they are on main rocks! Right where I wan to put torches in one tank. Will torches smother them out? The other 20 gallon maybe tweezers. Not quite as bad! Any other suggestions? I s there maybe something I can inject like peroxide?
Fair play!! That was ballsy! But we'll done taking all the precautions you did inspiring!
It’s a big deal. Bad news is when rewatching it I noticed I didn’t put a glove on about half way through after starting the camera. Not problem most Reefers have LOL. Fortunately I had no problems
This is the same palys in my tank the grow every where I hate them. Great job
They’re such a pain
people often say no one's died from palytoxin but many have died from the complications. this is the loosest video I've seen. I thought you were so game. they are one of my favourite corals and one if the reasons I got in to marine besides seeing reefing as a challenge. have you ever ripped zoas or palys off the rock with tweezers like that's and managed to frag them? I wouldn't be game to try it but they did appear to come off intact so now I am curious. I'm about to rip clean my tank and possibly remove all my zoas die to an outbreak of algae like you've never seen in your life.
Forget zoas. They are way too toxic. Plenty of other beautiful non toxic coral… be safe.
can I use a aptasia laser? or joes juice/kalkwasser???
I personally haven’t had a ton of success with those methods but it’s an easy thing to try. Just be mindful of paly toxins
fruit loops and rastas are awesome zoas and aren't crazy prices
Got rid of my Dinos by adding nitrifying bacteria in my tank
Very cool! What type did you use?
Awesome Scott. So I have a paly frag. Should I banish it to an island rock like gsp?
It depends on the type some grow slowly and it’s not really a big deal others will take over everything. It doesn’t hurt to try it on an island until you know how it grows
Palys are hard to kill. A few years ago my light died. At the same time my husband had a heart attack and a stroke. Anyways, I didn't pay much attention to my tank and really didn't have desire to take care of it while my husband was healing. It was neglected for about a year. I started up my tank several months ago. The heater wasn't working, no light, no water changes. The only thing that survived was a damsel and a paly frag. Amazing the paly survived. My tank is doing great now and so is my husband
Don't be so judgemental until you walk in someone else's shoes. My husband almost died 3 times. I see your point but you have no idea of the hell I went through, which included lose of income. I had to step down my position on my job because I couldn't handle it. Yeh, when I look back I could have made better decisions, but when you deal with someone recovering from 15 strokes, and 2 heart surgeries and your almost evicted, well you just don't think logically
@@annebartells777 I have had some time to think about this and even though what you did is extremely wrong you have my compassion and sympathy. When we take these pets under our care its with understanding that they are a priority exactly when life deals us crushing blows. Your tank isn't doing fine now, your tank perished and you started over. The question is, when life throws disaster your way in the future will you allow this tank to rot as meaningless and repeat history or will you remember the stranger who bothered to correct you.
@@firstname713 yes, I was never proud of my neglect of my tank. I beat myself up enough. I have given away a snake, a ferret, a very expensive bird(including the cage). Oh, and a rabbit at some point in my life because I wasn't taking care of their emotional needs. I never starved anything. I was in a bad position and I didn't think. My tank crashed within a couple of weeks. I spent about 3 maybe 4 hours a night sleeping. I worked and then spent hours at the hospital. Giving a better home to something is not alien to me. I wasn't thinking. I was overwhelmed, depressed. I lost thousands of dollars in coral. Torturing something wasn't in my game plan. I just didn't think. To survive I detached myself from everything. I also told myself that if I ever got back into the hobby I would not let that happen again. I made that promise to myself before I got back into the hobby. I have a very happy reef now and one fish. The damsel. He deserves to have his territory to himself. He's a very happy fish and I get a lot of joy watching him.
@@annebartells777 I am sorry for being so harsh towards you. I find that so many people in reef keeping consider coral as "things" to collect in a display and not animals. It makes my blood boil because they depend on us much more so than a different pet when the oceans are already in turmoil. I am happy you are finding so much joy in your tank at this point in your life. I suggest making it ultra low maintenance and keeping easy coral so you can manage easier when life gets difficult. As much as i love SPS its just not something I can care for adequately.
@@firstname713 I totally understand were you are coming from. I never thought of coral as a thing. It breaks my heart to think of the life that was lost. And I already took your advice. I refuse to get a coral I can't care for properly. My tank is set up with less maintenance corals. The damsel I have is very territorial. I won't get another fish until he lives out his natural life. I don't want to stress him out. He deserves to live a happy life
Fun times. I was just removing a ton of pink palys from my frag tank. They actually infest several of my tanks. Even isolating them eventually they grow up the front glass, up the back glass ect. In my nano they even grew into the hob filter. On the eggcrate I can cut and pull them off underwater which is much safer for me but less safe for the frags. Limited myself to 50 or so polyps a day and after 5 days got the bulk of them gone. Seeing that tile saw brought back memories. I haven't used one in probably 10 years. I know they don't cut the same things but replaced it with one of those inland bandsaws just before they started making ones designed for corals, but still does the job.
I thought I was the only one using a wet saw, NICE!
I'm a beginner just starting to research saltwater aquariums so obviously I came across Palytoxin poisoning and it's a little scary. This may be a dumb question, but can't you just avoid the risk altogether by not buying or growing any Palys or Zoas? Do they somehow just grow on their own?
Those paly's are experts at surviving and you call them stupid. They must be sad that all their survival skills are called stupid. They might just overgrow a monti because you said that.
They have some amazing survival skills that for sure
How many Clownfish do you have?
Wow here you are trying to remove zoas and I can't keep them in my tank
I bet you can keep those palys there tuff to kill
@@MileHighReefers I did and my gsp never got bigger than 50 cent piece I do not understand I'm hoping my new 94 gallon system I will have better luck at it
My mushroom corals did great they split into 12 pieces which I was able to trade some in then all hell broke loose I had a major issue with aiptasia and I tried everything nothing work but my butterfly fish now I am dealing with major green hair algae