For people just now discovering this, you can actually map the "preset change" in some synths and effects to LFOs in Bin/binary mode (Xfer Serum, Glitchmachines Convex both do this). You can AFK farm racks and synths with enough LFO, Device Randomizer + Macro^n, etc
How did he map the preset change in this tutorial ö that was not shown he was doing it by hand and then all of a sudden it was automated and quantized - also how do you get the presets of your soft synth to show up in the device below?
Helluva bump but I've been doing something similar with a vocal chop technique. Just move the start location around on a vocal loop as it plays and re-sample that. Wouldn't have thought of those particular splices without the randomization. The way ableton stitches them together sounds very similar to this technique. Cool stuff.
Also, just thought I'd mention, that I didn't refer to this as a song once, also, I wrote this chord progression in MIDI (not someone else's MIDI notes). Also, what is 'musical'? Like what does that even mean? Isn't it completely subjective, and everyone thinks it's a different thing? You probably think speed core isn't musical either.. however, I seem to know a lot of people who'd disagree.
Also I'd like to add that although plugins can be expensive, supporting the company by actually paying for these great products is what allows them to keep making them!
Zebra 2 is a synth made by a company called U-he. It's about $250 from their companies website. It's not essential to replicate this idea, I just used it because I like it. You can use anything you want.
I use Tim Exile's "The Finger" plug-in to do this. Each key on the piano roll is a different effect and you can play multiple keys to stack effects. You can record and edit the MIDI take of the effect triggers and edit/ adjust them.
David Bowie used to do something similar to get some of his song lyrics, He wrote a piece of software called, I believe, The vocalisizer, which would pick random words from a series of newspaper headlines that he typed into it. Of course he nicked the technique off Genesis P. Orridge who learned it from Burroughs who nicked it off the Dadaists.....Yawn. :D
I've often wondered how you managed to get such intricate arrangements, and I assumed you did it all by hand. This is a great method, but such a cheap trick lol! I have to try it.
You're right, I don't know anything about mashups and remixes. I know original music stuff. I tend to prefer it, but I get that remixes and mashup artists are fashionable these days and I can see why this kind of music is popular.
Oh right, the original synth, yeah.. I made it, it's really simple, it's just a saw wave and some FMing (I think), then some filtering, then after it I just widened it using filter delay and 2 utility plug-ins in a rack :)
When familiar sounds/notes/chords/drums etc are used straight from other popular songs, regardless of how much you chop them up, is a remix. If they are just cheesy loops people buy off the internet, then sure, you can call that original. But honestly all my posts in here are mega trolling, I like Mr. Bill and his tutes/music. You just gotta call it as it is sometimes.
Mr Bill, just something I thought of: Can you do a tutorial on how to make those really kind of almost wet sounding really textural basses? Not sure how to explain exactly what I mean, but you have some really awesome bass sounds in your tracks and I can't for the live of me figure out how to get them right.
Hey, nice tutorial Mr. Bill! give me some inspiration. I like the operator voicing you created before you added the effects. Would you mind telling me the 4 individual waveforms/values? Even roughly so I can use something similar?
one of my favorite things ever are the sounds created while i play with the delay... guess i can use the same principle? just record and after manipulate the **** out of it?
Hi, Mr.Bill! If you still make tuts on ableton, could you please explain, how can i map a knob excluding special values. For example, I want to change arp rate excluding 1/12 and 1/24. I found one complex way throug creating chais an mapping speaker-ons and rates with special values, but I guess there must be easier way. Thanks if answer!
Hi, so there are a couple different ways to do it. first, make a midi clip. At this point you have two choices. you can either A: make a chord and apply the midi effect Arppegiator under the midi effects tab, to which you have a series of options of controlling the speed, and note sequence of your arp. B: create your own arp on the piano roll. if you right click, zoom in and zoom out, the boxes on the roll will start to change from 1/4 notes, all the way to 1/32 notes. you'll need to know the timing of these signatures in order to make your arp go at the speed you want. If you want to add swing, there is a little button on the left side (USA VERSION) that has 2 waves, click on that, and in the box, right click to see a menu and click new groove, from there a menu will pop up, drag the groove into the box, and then drag the groove from the box onto your midi clip. hope that helps!
in order for this to sound the way it does, your chords have to have a lot of breaks in between. sylenth is the only vst I know that change sounds and still play in the middle of a chords. just a heads up!
Pierre Roudaut Found it ! Just insert the Edison plugin on the master channel, start recording and play the main track. Stop recording and export as .wav/.mp3
PLEASE HELP ! ! ! i`m using windows, ableton and zebra2 but when i change between presets the sound stops and the new preset starts with the next note. i've looked everywhere and couldn't find a solution
Also , you computer might be to slow to reproduce this effect. You can create it with a instrument rack with many instances of zebra , then simply switch between them.
I'm sure bill wrote those chords, he can do it in his sleep. There is an art to random experimentation, and people can do whatever they want when they write music.
so this is AWESOME. question: does anyone know how to get the program (preset) change messages to the synth to be trigged by midi (instead of clicking the mouse?) i just wanna push buttons rather than click around all the time :) anyone know?
Hey I was wondering if anyone could help me out, I bought a new cheap audio interface (Xenyx Q502usb) and having a fairly common problem which is that there is a delay between the audio and what you can see playing in Ableton, but in my case the delay is making it so that the automations I make to any parameters aren't in sync with what I have drawn. Its difficult to explain, but it basically reads the automation a couple of seconds ahead rather than playing what it should. Cheers!
that's a fucking stupid question. I don't normally comment on youtube comments, but when I do, it's to say how fucking stupid people like are you asking fucking stupid questions. GOD FUCKING DAMN IT YOU'RE SO FUCKING STUPID!!! ... Plus 87bpm is a nice tempo, it's like a slower boom-bap-beat tempo and you can double it to 174bpm and get some solid dnb style change ups.
obvious troll is obvious. I am actually a fan. herp derp! I still can't believe get all butthurt over the internet. No. Mr. Bills music is amazing. Just chill out bro.
Thanks! So..let me get this straight. Use patches. Use other peoples midi notes. Then randomly do things. Sorry, this is the least musical thing I have seen. No soul or feel, no musical talent, no song already in your head etc. Very cool technique for experimenting or sound design, but doing this and calling it a song is a NO NO. Remember kids, this kind of thing is cute and fun to play with, but hitting a random button and uploading it to soundcloud does not make you a musician.
How am I just now watching all of your tutorials. These are excellent.
Thanks :)
+Mr. The Orb were pretty much my first ever major musical inspiration btw. Heaps and heaps congratulatory-ness on the tour. Miss ya sir. :)
+skytree Same, i feel like i have wasted a lot of time by not find these earlier.
tell me about it haha
Im realizing this also 2 years later
For people just now discovering this, you can actually map the "preset change" in some synths and effects to LFOs in Bin/binary mode (Xfer Serum, Glitchmachines Convex both do this). You can AFK farm racks and synths with enough LFO, Device Randomizer + Macro^n, etc
How did he map the preset change in this tutorial ö that was not shown he was doing it by hand and then all of a sudden it was automated and quantized - also how do you get the presets of your soft synth to show up in the device below?
Totally, doing the same thing with effects after you get the source signals happening is really fun, too :)
Helluva bump but I've been doing something similar with a vocal chop technique. Just move the start location around on a vocal loop as it plays and re-sample that. Wouldn't have thought of those particular splices without the randomization. The way ableton stitches them together sounds very similar to this technique. Cool stuff.
Also, just thought I'd mention, that I didn't refer to this as a song once, also, I wrote this chord progression in MIDI (not someone else's MIDI notes). Also, what is 'musical'? Like what does that even mean? Isn't it completely subjective, and everyone thinks it's a different thing? You probably think speed core isn't musical either.. however, I seem to know a lot of people who'd disagree.
Nice one.. I finger myself to tutorials sometimes..
Coming back to this after ableton announced comping in 11. Excited to streamline this process
Also I'd like to add that although plugins can be expensive, supporting the company by actually paying for these great products is what allows them to keep making them!
This has opened up a world of ideas. Favourite ableton tutorial to date (about 50). I'm a gonna fry me brain with this shit.
Zebra 2 is a synth made by a company called U-he. It's about $250 from their companies website. It's not essential to replicate this idea, I just used it because I like it. You can use anything you want.
No problem, man :) Stoked you liked it!
I use Tim Exile's "The Finger" plug-in to do this. Each key on the piano roll is a different effect and you can play multiple keys to stack effects. You can record and edit the MIDI take of the effect triggers and edit/ adjust them.
You can do this hotswapping devices in the Ableton Browser. you might get more clicks, but you can edit those out in post.
Circuit bent! i've always wondered how did got those cool sounds! this is such an easy way! thanks so much for the vid Mr.Bill!
David Bowie used to do something similar to get some of his song lyrics, He wrote a piece of software called, I believe, The vocalisizer, which would pick random words from a series of newspaper headlines that he typed into it. Of course he nicked the technique off Genesis P. Orridge who learned it from Burroughs who nicked it off the Dadaists.....Yawn.
:D
I love History
I'm gonna abuse this
Mwila _ HAHAHAHAHA! YOU GO MWILA!!!!! :D
me too hauhaushauhsuahs
Facts
Great technique, think it'll work really well with distortion for mudpies
Very creative use of presets... Great stuff as always! Thank you for posting this up!
I've often wondered how you managed to get such intricate arrangements, and I assumed you did it all by hand. This is a great method, but such a cheap trick lol! I have to try it.
Holy shit that track at the end
Thank you very much for posting this technique. It is greatly appreciated.
You're right, I don't know anything about mashups and remixes. I know original music stuff. I tend to prefer it, but I get that remixes and mashup artists are fashionable these days and I can see why this kind of music is popular.
Oh right, the original synth, yeah.. I made it, it's really simple, it's just a saw wave and some FMing (I think), then some filtering, then after it I just widened it using filter delay and 2 utility plug-ins in a rack :)
Thanks Mr. Bill! ^_^
Thanks for the great tut Mr. Bill. Definitely going to be adding this to my arsenal of glitch techniques :)
When familiar sounds/notes/chords/drums etc are used straight from other popular songs, regardless of how much you chop them up, is a remix. If they are just cheesy loops people buy off the internet, then sure, you can call that original. But honestly all my posts in here are mega trolling, I like Mr. Bill and his tutes/music. You just gotta call it as it is sometimes.
Mr Bill, just something I thought of: Can you do a tutorial on how to make those really kind of almost wet sounding really textural basses? Not sure how to explain exactly what I mean, but you have some really awesome bass sounds in your tracks and I can't for the live of me figure out how to get them right.
It's Frequency Shifter 90% of the time. Else, it's Razor or another additive synth or audio rate filter mod
It had you fooled ;) hehe
Take the headphones AWAY from your ears at 12:16, my left ear just suffered a trauma there... anyway thanks for all the tutorials Mr Bill!
Hey, nice tutorial Mr. Bill! give me some inspiration. I like the operator voicing you created before you added the effects. Would you mind telling me the 4 individual waveforms/values? Even roughly so I can use something similar?
That would be awesome if you toyed around with reverb compression and stereo placement a bit with this.
They're just standard volume fades in Live 8.
Very simple/interesting/awesome process. Thanks a lot for the tutorial! Keep up the great work. :)
Very interesting, original and usefull tutorial, as always!
so simple and so good.. excellent tutorial
You're a genius, man.
In other words right click on the clip and select 'Show Fades' . . . it only adjusts the volume like Bill said though.
one of my favorite things ever are the sounds created while i play with the delay...
guess i can use the same principle?
just record and after manipulate the **** out of it?
Very Interesting, I've done very similar things in another DAW.
I think this idea or Technique could be applied in maaany various ways.
lovely and finally some use for all these masses of presets :p
Learned this from max tundra back in the day :)
Hey man could you please tell me where you got the jazzy chord sample from? Thanks!
Did this ever turn into a song? It pretty good!
You are a genius bro.
Sounds really good, a bit like FLoating points
Hi, Mr.Bill! If you still make tuts on ableton, could you please explain, how can i map a knob excluding special values. For example, I want to change arp rate excluding 1/12 and 1/24. I found one complex way throug creating chais an mapping speaker-ons and rates with special values, but I guess there must be easier way. Thanks if answer!
Hi, so there are a couple different ways to do it. first, make a midi clip. At this point you have two choices.
you can either A: make a chord and apply the midi effect Arppegiator under the midi effects tab, to which you have a series of options of controlling the speed, and note sequence of your arp.
B: create your own arp on the piano roll. if you right click, zoom in and zoom out, the boxes on the roll will start to change from 1/4 notes, all the way to 1/32 notes. you'll need to know the timing of these signatures in order to make your arp go at the speed you want.
If you want to add swing, there is a little button on the left side (USA VERSION) that has 2 waves, click on that, and in the box, right click to see a menu and click new groove, from there a menu will pop up, drag the groove into the box, and then drag the groove from the box onto your midi clip. hope that helps!
did you try lowering youre latency? (in audio options)
Yeah, search for 'SugarBeats - Nickles (Mr. Bill ReInterpretation)'
I wrote those chords in MIDI.. It's not a sample.
Thanks for the tut Billy.
Is this the method you used to make the transformers sounds?
in order for this to sound the way it does, your chords have to have a lot of breaks in between. sylenth is the only vst I know that change sounds and still play in the middle of a chords. just a heads up!
Just curious, how do you go about getting those smooth automation curves?
many thanks boss!
Haha! YES!
That's amazing ! Anyone knows how to record in FL studio the audio played in a sample/file the way it's done here on Ableton ?
Pierre Roudaut Found it ! Just insert the Edison plugin on the master channel, start recording and play the main track. Stop recording and export as .wav/.mp3
***** Well, it just takes the same amount of time that last the sample you want to record :-)
But yeah, the setup is pretty easy
@@pierreroudaut It's faster to recording arm a track, punch in/punch out track markers in FL
Thanks for sharing this man!
PLEASE HELP ! ! !
i`m using windows, ableton and zebra2 but when i change between presets the sound stops and the new preset starts with the next note.
i've looked everywhere and couldn't find a solution
Most plugins are not designed to do preset changes mid note. Your best bet is to create another midi track with a separate instance of zebra.
Also , you computer might be to slow to reproduce this effect. You can create it with a instrument rack with many instances of zebra , then simply switch between them.
Yes. bill.day3
I'm sure bill wrote those chords, he can do it in his sleep.
There is an art to random experimentation, and people can do whatever they want when they write music.
Cthulhu my dude.
is zebra 2 still the best method of doing this or is there an updated version i should purchase?
No, any plugin can do this. Serum can do it even better cause you can automate preset selection with MIDI CC control.
so this is AWESOME.
question: does anyone know how to get the program (preset) change messages to the synth to be trigged by midi (instead of clicking the mouse?)
i just wanna push buttons rather than click around all the time :)
anyone know?
Use the Key and MIDI button at the top right of Ableton to link :)
doesn't fully work...
+AK create a instrument rack with 5 or more chains , them simply switch between them . Simple
Hey I was wondering if anyone could help me out, I bought a new cheap audio interface (Xenyx Q502usb) and having a fairly common problem which is that there is a delay between the audio and what you can see playing in Ableton, but in my case the delay is making it so that the automations I make to any parameters aren't in sync with what I have drawn. Its difficult to explain, but it basically reads the automation a couple of seconds ahead rather than playing what it should. Cheers!
PDC
disappointed he never landed on gnome chompsky...wanted to hear that
This is so cool!
Is the finished song anywherE?
brilliant
phrased that badly sorry, I'm guessing you made the synth or it was already built it to ableton or...
Awesome dude!! :)
dude love it!
I have found the Aussie gold mine. I repeat I have found the Aussie gold mine
nice one. great toot
You are a genus my friend :D
She is happy to know she is not alone. Also, I made something prettycoolbutnotreallyjustdecent with this tecnique, are you on skype?
8 years ago..
Great Vid! Thanx a lot
Also good with Fx
its very cool idea.
thanks
I was just listening to some sexy sexy tunes of yours when I saw this pop up. Must watch.
oh the micro
THis channel is a fucking goldmine
this would be great.... but wtf is zebra 2 how much is it and where can I get it for free lol
Sweet!
Don't think this works on the latest version, really just sounds like im going through presets
thanks :)
this is some freddy todd level shit
thats what she said
I bet you’ve used this technique in Freedom Bill with infected mushroom
why is your track 87bpm?
+SlingSh0t why not is the real question
that's a fucking stupid question. I don't normally comment on youtube comments, but when I do, it's to say how fucking stupid people like are you asking fucking stupid questions. GOD FUCKING DAMN IT YOU'RE SO FUCKING STUPID!!!
...
Plus 87bpm is a nice tempo, it's like a slower boom-bap-beat tempo and you can double it to 174bpm and get some solid dnb style change ups.
nope, use patches in a different way, use own midi notes, record, then cut, rearrange, and edit. you were close though.
🥀🥀⛽️🎭⛽️🥀🥀
Yeaaaaaaahhh.. You seemed to miss the point completely, haha.
She sounds like a total ned. I think i like her!
assuming your hard drive can handle this lol
obvious troll is obvious. I am actually a fan. herp derp! I still can't believe get all butthurt over the internet. No. Mr. Bills music is amazing. Just chill out bro.
Thanks! So..let me get this straight. Use patches. Use other peoples midi notes. Then randomly do things. Sorry, this is the least musical thing I have seen. No soul or feel, no musical talent, no song already in your head etc. Very cool technique for experimenting or sound design, but doing this and calling it a song is a NO NO. Remember kids, this kind of thing is cute and fun to play with, but hitting a random button and uploading it to soundcloud does not make you a musician.