5 Things: USC 32, Utah 34
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- WeAreSC's Erik McKinney, Greg Katz and Marc Kulkin give their 5 Things from USC's 34-32 loss to the Utah Utes on Saturday night at the Coliseum. They go through the Player of the Game, Play of the Game, Expectation Met, Surprise and Biggest Takeaway from a heartbreaking, last-second loss.
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Utah is a better team because of the coaching period
Lincoln Riley is Now 2-5 vs Top 25 at USC. He's still 1-5 in Bowl games, 0-3 in the playoffs, and 0-3 vs Utah. He's NOT Elite. When USC needed his VAUNTED 50+ point Offense, they only scored 20.
Caleb is 4-8 all time vs top25 teams. 79% of his turnovers are in those 12 games
O-4 vs Utah!
@@sonofrobert Lincoln Riley is 0-3 vs Utah.
@@SportZFan4Ever Ok, and I guess Utah has beat them 4 straight.
@@sonofrobert we're talking about Lincoln Riley AT USC. Not past USC coaches.
I’m disappointed in you guys. I know you don’t want to lose your access but you should have dropped the hammer on Riley in that post game presser.
the emperor doesn't want to hear he's butt naked.
This is the way i felt watching the Clay Helton day teams
At least clay Helton could beat Whittingham
Clay had a winning record against Utah.
@quintonmiller8266 I moved from L.A to salt lake in 2014 & trust me I know
Sione Vaki, player of the game. No question!
The striking difference in tackling between the two teams.
I;m guessing utah doesn't tackle bags in practice.
USC had their best season last year. It is downhill from here.
Looks like it
That why they say next year is a different Year.
They better make some changes
Utah: Disciplined, physical, tough.
USC: None of those things.
Utah: proud, honorable, united.
USC: None of those things.
The fact that Caleb is sitting on the bench in the 4Q feeling sorry for himself shows the culture and lack of leadership on this team. He should be rallying the team, urging the defense on, getting the home crowd into it. LR preached endlessly about culture and yet to see that is sad and frankly, disgraceful.
That’s because he was thinking; ‘I could have stayed at OU and be undefeated and the Heisman front runner!?”.
I don't think his body language has been good this season, and I also think he's regressed as a player. Still the most talented QB in CFB, but he's not the same level of player that he was last season IMO.
Bear Alexander has just entered the transfer portal
@@Nancinfool a 5-star DT and another 5-star DT in Anthony Lucas and SC's DL still got whopped.
“This team wants to win the game but doesn’t want to play the game. They’re worried about what their fat little girlfriends think of them”. ~Mike Leach
Kyle Whittingham is the old master and Lincoln Riley is the young knave. This game exposed how much Lincoln Riley needs to learn and grow before he can become a real coach -- he's years away. We hired an apprentice (who doesn't have a master to develop him) but we are paying him master money. That is on us, we were not able to evaluate his abilities based upon his performance at Oklahoma, and we gave this young apprentice a $100 million, 10-year contract. Perhaps Bob Stoops was mentoring Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma and that may be why he performed so much better there. Right now we have a 7-5 or 6-6 apprentice with no one to develop him. Worse still, I am not entirely sure he realizes he is just an apprentice. He was promoted too quickly and he began to believe his hype. He is really just a quarterback coach.
True whit is a good coach
Even a worse thought, how much worse would he be if he didn't have Caleb?
He had us in position to win the game. And the end of the game the defense couldn’t get a stop.
Bingo!!
Best thing ever happen to OU was for Wiley to sneak off; finally have a potential Heisman QB with a Defense w/confidence, going 7-0. He'll be fired within 2 yrs to collect his SC paycheks for the rest of his life. How many 100 million dollar coaches can SC afford, unlike the Fed, they can't print the money fast enough.
“This team wants to win the game but doesn’t want to play the game. They’re worried about what their fat little girlfriends think of them”. ~Mike Leach
Same Riley, not a surprise!😂
Clay Helton had a winning record vs Whittingham at 4-3.
Ouch.
To be fair, Utah’s talent has improved dramatically since then. Utah’s average player was rated a .83 between 2014-2016ish. Nowadays they average a .87. 2022 Utah would probably destroy each Helton USC team.
@@neverbackdown1918 Utah was ranked 3rd in the country in 2015 when Clay Helton led Trojans beat Utah. Helton also was the coach when USC beat Utah in 2017, 2019 and 2020 so Helton was actually 4-2 vs Whittingham and not 4-3 as I previously noted.
@@neverbackdown1918 what do you think the talent level was this recent game? Utah had majority of backups in lol 😆
Riley must fire Grinch now
Yeah and Riley should already be on the hot seat. He's had plenty of talent brought in. It's not a lack of talent, it's a coaching/development and culture problem.
At OU under Riley, obscure QBs would always have the game of their lives. Nothing has changed.
Coach Whittingham doesn’t get enough credit.
He gets all the credit in the world because he's got Riley's number but the problem is look at the talent disparity and tell us it's not a coaching issue from the usc staff.
@@DontbeahaterbeaHattonthat’s the thing LR and grinch would get all these 4 and 5 stars but could never develop them. They just play off of talent and that only works against decent teams. As a OU fan it’s just gonna get worse. Each year it just gets worse and I see LR leaving if not after this season than def next year. He said he couldn’t recruit in Oklahoma and needed to get more money and be in California to get all the good recruits and now he’s there and nothing has changed.
He gets a lot of credit, but people still doubt Utah. Whitt has the team ready to play regardless of the talent he has on any given week. He gets beat sometimes, sure, and the Ws aren't always pretty, but the man knows football and how to get his teams ready!
5 things: 1.Daddy 34 USC 32
2. Championship nah
3. Calib 😂
4. Riley 😭
5. Grinch 😅
This team keeps getting worse because the play calling is horrible: Riley and Grinch call plays like the other team has more talent. They call stupid plays that put Trojans at a disadvantage.
Weren’t people saying this is what would happen with Riley! ? He is who we thought he was
At this point if Riley leaves for the NFL, good riddance. Offensive mastermind my @ss
OU fan here, after having lived through 5 years of Riley i can tell you that from 2017-2021 the team got progressively worse. A big reason why is he let Schmitty go after 2017 and brought in Wylie at S&C. In 2018 he got rid of Mike Stoops mid season. In 2019 he brought in Grinch. Turns out for a majority of the time they didn't tackle in practice. Grinch's D is so simplistic that the majority of guys who were here at OU last year had basically no defensive football IQ, which is why the D was so bad here. The players couldn't comprehend the system Venables brought in. Venables and the new coaches were shocked by the lack of basic understanding, physicallity, and tackling technique. Bob Stoops gifted Riley with a ferrari with Mayfield, Mark Andrews, Marquise Brown, several OL that went into the league and some defensive talent as well. And they got progressively worse through 2021.
Amen! Only this time he doesn’t have that staff with a killer mindset to get rid of. This team wins the poodle competition because it’s cute but not the overall competition of best in show.
Yes, a great summary of Riley's time at OU and the deficiencies of his coaching philosophy, deficiencies that are not getting better.
I talked to a guy at my gym who works for the SC Athletic Department but does not work directly with the football team. He does however have access to football practices and he told me he's never seen the team tackle or hit in practice. You play like you practice. SC is a soft program since Pete left.
@@kevinfessler6831
Remember, the last few years of Pete’s tenure weren’t that great
@@Nancinfool The last year (2009) things were starting to slip for sure. Pete was getting bored IMO. Named Rocky Seto as DC, position assistants not as good, defense fell off dramatically. 2008 however was 12-1 and finished at #3. That defense was lights out. 2007 was 11-2 with a Rose Bowl blowout of Illinois.
3rd string qb beats us. No excuse for this coaching staff
Usc is gonna have a real problem when they get to the big 10 next year. Having to play washington, michigan, osu, penn state and Oregon is gonna be rough
And Notre Dame
Don't forget they still have to play ND in that schedule and they have dominated them for yrs now
Riley is a lot like Kiffin. A quarterback centric team that’s fun to watch, plenty of athletes that look the part, sloppy on defense, undisciplined, error-ridden , and incapable of beating top tier opponents.
Told you guys...you took Utah for granted and got surprised again.
Not surprised this horrible team makes everyone look like the greatest show on terf team 6-6 here we come
I always find it particularly tricky converting a 2-point conversion after a DEFENSIVE TD, when your offense has been on bench.
excellent point. Riley should have just kicked the xp to not kill the momentum anyway.
Lincoln Riley teams age like boxed wine.
Keys the the loss
• allowing a D lineman to cover a RB out of the backfield not once but TWICE !! Thanks Grinch
• 2 dumbass penalties by Bear Thanks Bear
• 2 dumbass 2 point conversion
calls Thanks Lincoln
• abandoning the run game Thanks Lincoln
RB Fumbling? Thanks Loyd.
Vaki 140+ yards Receiving? Thanks Braylen Shelby.
Offense scoring only 21 points? Thanks Lincoln Riley and Caleb Williams.
@@SportZFan4Ever can’t expect Shelby to cover a skill position that’s on Grinch
I saw something about heart when USC quarterback sulked at the bench and Utah’s just dug in and carried for 27 yards. That is football to me. Heart held over skill, for this time.
Why would we give up a 26 yard scramble in that situation when the QB was struggling to pass? His passes were off. Why Grinch didn't have a QB spy in there I will never know.
@@treble77Naw.
We went for 2 when we didn't need to at that point in the game. To say that we can't question Riley is laughable. And the defenses he's rolled out for the last 6 seasons have been atrocious to say the least.
We really went for 2pts and it ended up costing us the game it woulda been 34-34
Im not a fan of either team, but that was a real head scratcher for sure.
Yeah, who couldn't see that possibility coming.
Riley is not the whiz kid boy wonder anymore.
There's nothing to say at this point of the season. Riley and grinch are terrible. Riley is not an offensive genius period. No tangible positive in game adjustments by either riley & grinch. The season is over. This team is checked out and it'll show up over the next 4 weeks. I believe they lose their remaining games. There MUST be positive changes made to this coaching staff starting with moving off of his friend and terrible defensive coordinator, grinch.
Washington barely beat Arizona State
@@TheCloudShaman they will kill usc.
yes but they will beat stanford handily next week and then be ready for usc and beat them as well @@TheCloudShaman
“This team wants to win the game but doesn’t want to play the game. They’re worried about what their fat little girlfriends think of them”. ~Mike Leach
@@TheCloudShaman
Who cares? They beat Oregon and they’ll stomp USC
Lost to the best coach in the PAC12 again.
I will always be thankful to usc. Thank you so much for taking Lincoln and grench from Oklahoma. Thank you for paying so much to save oklahoma university.
Nice coverage ther bryson shaw. Utah would of needed a 55 yard kick but shaw decided to take a Junior h.S level angle and let the Utah QB run into scoring position.
watch mason cobb on the play. even worse.
Greg took a deep drink early in the podcast.
Marc not showing his face after all his emotional pre-game analysis LOL!
He had this team going undefeated lol
USC defense gave up 34 points and 482 yards to Utah, with the Utah offense national *ranking #95 in points-per-game, and ranking #98 in yards-per-game*. So yes, its the DEFENSE.
The only good time management and game plan that Riley ever put together was his exit from OU and how he bamboozled SC for all that money. He’s done. Oh, discontinue service from his special Offensive consultant as well.....
If utah had their tight Ends and rising, thsi would have been a bigger whopping than last years conference championship.
Cal is probably a loss and even ucla @ home is probably a tough loss. Not even talking about WA & Oregon.
Get used to it. As a OU fan I know very much about the frustration of Lincoln Riley's lack of defense and time management skills.
Did USC really think Riley and Grinch would be anything different than what they were in Oklahoma? If so, that' was pretty arrogant.
Two more opponents hit their high water mark on the Grinch defense. Back up Bryson Barnes had 292 total yards 4 Td's (3 pass 1 rush), Sione Vaki went for 207 total yards 2 td's. This bad Utah offense had almost 500 yards of total offense.
Very disappointed! We were OUT COACHED on Offense and Defense!
I hope and pray we play better against Cal!!! Angel USC'78
Outcoached, outclassed, and outplayed
When Williams finally decided to use his legs - rather than take sacks when no one's open, or throw balls away - SC at last put a scoring drive together, capped by his late TD run. But by then it was far too late. Williams' calamitous preseason Reprogramming to become a non-running, stay-in-the-pocket passer has sunk in too deeply, costing the former dual threat his bearings - and USC countless aborted downs, plays which used to instead wind up as Heisman-winner highlight-reel runs.
Defensively, the same old, coach-caused problems persisted - right up through the late scramble to get the first down and winning FG: tackling too high, and over-pursuit (on the game-clinching scramble it was Shaw who once again went flying by the runner instead of breaking down to make the tackle, or at least steer it inside).
Going for two-point conversions weren't bad calls - and in fact it was necessary after the go-ahead TD by Williams, whose mistake on the conversion attempt was heaving a desperate jump-ball instead of just scrambling around forever until something opened up. He wasn't in the clutches of any Utes, had plenty of field, and could have run back to his own 1-yard line if he pleased; it's not as Though Utah would have taken over on downs at the spot of the tackle.
Recall, it is impossible to say how the game would have transpired if SC had kicked extra points instead of going for two. Marty McFly, for one, would know this.
*Lincoln Riley is now 2-5 vs Top 25 teams.*
Trojans better make changes quickly because nowadays, they will lose the Branch bros and the RBs to the transfer portal. The play calls make WRs and RBs look bad.
I don’t think they’ll lose the branch brothers. Zion got the start yesterday and probably has a concussion. Not sure if he came back though
Riley lost Ou fans his FIRST season . Pissing down his leg in rose bowl. Many many were done then
Then why were OU crying so badly about betrayal when he left?
What is McKinney talking about question Riley going for the field goal in the 4th? SC had a 4th and 15 from about the 20. Did I miss something? You can't go for it there. That was about the only SC coaching that was correct.
It is so enjoyable watching y’all attempting to understand “Why”. I wish you success with your task, I was never able to get there.
Sione was the player of the game
defense is trash
Riley went for 2 because he knows that the YOGA STRENGTH defense cant stop anything.
1. Replace Alex Grinch with a real power 5 defensive coordinator.
2. Pay up for offensive line recruits.
3. Win championships.
Impeach Riley and his entire staff
Not yet
@@mprod25you already know what your going to get. His track record proves this lol… his recruiting is garbage, every year being out recruited by OU where allegedly can’t be recruited to. This is probably the best season they have for awhile after losing Caleb
$75,000,000.00 or so buy him out
Riley is stealing money lol
Grinch must know a deep secret about LR because LR fired DC Mike Stoops after the OU/Texas a year and a half after taking over OU.
Yeah they're chocolate starfish buddies.
It appears that Kyle Whittingham has been transforming Utah into what USC used to be in the past under Pete Carroll and further back in time. Utah just might be the 'new USC', and Whittingham is Utah's 'Pete Carroll' or 'John McKay' or 'John Robinson'. Expect Utah to end up in Rose Bowls or Orange Bowls.
Pete Carroll ran to the Seahawks after forfeiting a NC for getting caught cheating, pay to play Reggie Bush. Wiley may have to get his checkbook out to keep his job.
@@nightfighterfour4468 wrong, and you know it. go peddle you agenda to the ncaa.
@@nightfighterfour4468 Pete Carroll didn't run no where. He was a NFL Coach before USC and his goal was always to go back to the NFL. Also none of his National Titles were vacated because the AP National Titles still stand. That's why USC claims 11 National Titles instead of 9 and 7 (should be 8) Heismans instead of 5.
If your player of the game is not Sione Vaki, what are you even doing!?! Stud of the season is Vaki!
Absolutely loved watching Caleb on the sidelines after this loss it was priceless. Whittingham Congrats for a Brilliant decision letting Caleb score with 1;46 left so u could get the ball back and of course Caleb didn't realize what u were doing and instead of going down at the 1 or 2 and milking the clock Caleb wanted to be the Hero so he walked into the end zone pounding his chest look at me Ego before team you guys played him like a fiddle he did exactly what u wanted him to do you just knew he wouldn't figure it out way to go Brilliant move it won u the game.
Yes, if you watch the Utah defense on Caleb's score at the end of the game I think it's pretty clear that he was "allowed" to score. Shrewd move by a smart head football coach. Wish we had one.
It’s the scheme Greg- grinch has 245 pound DEs chasing a WR, and we’ve lost contain all year.
That is crazy
The Culture at USC has to be changed...I mean has to be CHANGED. The physicality on offense & DEFENSE, in particular the lines and at Linebacker (on defense), is a huge disparity not only against top PAC-12 teams,, but also the Top 'Blue Bloods' in the Country: Michigan, Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama, Penn State, LSU. People need to stop judging with their feelings and be real about it. SC looks small, weak, and lacks tenacity., and they have to be called on it. 'YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE' at this point. Maybe 8-4 or 7-5. Long live the days of Pete Carroll and those teams that took your heart out no matter where they played and stepped on it, while their family watched! Get physical and ditch this SCHEME, and do a nation wide search for some snot nosed lineman who want to dominate and play on the next LEVEL!!
We are all suffering from Grinch fatigue. Like a broken piece of exercise equipment, we have to live without it until it is replaced…..
1.) real question is the alleged experts that had USC as a playoff team lol!!
Riley set himself up for failure last year.
...Retained Grinch.
Bringing back Grinch an overachieving with Heltons leftovers gave him a false sense of security. He thought he could just pick whatever players he wanted from the portal and shit would be good. HS recruiting is in the toilet and that’s going to cost them going forward. Next years schedule is insane too
LFR KILLS ME TRYING TO OUT SMART AN OLD MAN THAT SEEN IT ALL JUST LINE YOUR PKAYERS UP AND PLAY FOOTBALL
I turned on the TV to watch the game, then out of nowhere these people in Ronald McDonald outfits were holding feathers tickling the A** of the other team?! It wasn't the mighty Trojans at all, hmm?
Marc and Greg, everything you've said about this team and coaching staff, yes.
Linky has been a head coach for 7 years! Whats he learning
Calib Williams is more likely to enter the portal than he is the NFL draft.
Any athlete could tell Caleb was faking that hamstring injury last year.
Marc looks super pissed 😬
He is , he picked USC to go undefeated.
Marc is on suicide watch again....as he predicted another blow out win based on talent and helmet sticker alone again with no real analysis of the apposing team.
He had USC going undefeated this year , the man lost all credibility.
LR is checked out and is headed to the NFL
Let him go, I'd rather deal with someone who hires his personnel based on merit, not friendships.
As what? A water boy? Sorry you stuck with him 😂😂😂
USC lost to a team with 2 and 3 stars this week and a team with no 5 stars last week. Let that sink in.
See ya USC, it's been an absolute dishonor.
Wonder what the game would look like if this was Utah 2nd year against 6+ year LR team
Lincoln Riley, 6 years? Good luck!
100 million dollars will limit anyone’s sense of accountability…..
After watching the last six games , I have come to the conclusion:
Grinch has to go
Riley has to be only the head coach not the offensive coordinator . He can help with schemes but he is too involved to see the game properly.
If he was head coach , he would have run the ball more , not going for two points . Also seeing the Defense scheme for what it is .
He would have demanded to have the OC calm rhe shit out of CW and run the ball more , throw short passes and get rid of the ball . He seems to beholden to both Grinch and William . Why , they both need to direction and help . Riley play calling was shit all around . They the three are stubborn and stupid . Doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome .
Riley can't manage the game. He's a qb coach. Not even an OC.
Riley will NOT give up the play calling. He doesn't even have a special teams coordinator, why?!?
the best coaches never call plays, agree on that, should leave it up to a coordinator from the press box
At least you all showed up.
We don't need any more evidence. We know Riley's deficiencies and weaknesses as a coach. He overperformed in year 1, giving false hope, but he is clearly out of his depth.
That fat contract looks pretty stupid at this point.
Player of the game is Calen bullock
Dude is always out of coverage on big plays. He's overrated.
@@brentoniverson1020he makes a bunch of big plays for defense.
@@brentoniverson1020he is good compared to the rest
@@brentoniverson1020 he literally brought the crowd into it the game wit the pick 6 and then he’s out position cause of that bs grinch scheme
@@Cam.Deux.
True
Very deflating evening. Riley has ways to go before he can be a great coach. ✌🏾
Riley is what he is. He's not gonna change.
Oh, and QB Bryson Barnes is a pig farmer; he ain't no sprinter; thanks, Trojans, for letting a backup from small-town Utah run the ball to FG eligibility
Let's hire the entire Utah coaching staff! And get rid of the Excuses!!!
Marshawn fumbled the ball, but he shoulda stayed in the game. They can't stop him!!! He woulda bounced back! Gotta feed the beast and keep the pressure on the defense!!
Speed D...speed D baby😂😂😂
Last year people were ecstatic in landing Riley and now people make it sound like he is in the same realm as Kiffin and Sark etc. let’s see what he does next season
Well with his recruiting it’s not looking good besides offensive. And that is obviously irrelevant as we are watching the greatest qb and an elite offense now! This is as good as it gets
Kiffin was a much better recruiter with all the sanctions and stuff
you're a slow learner, aren't you?
I don't know why you do the five things format when you repeatedly refuse to follow it.
LOST TO A BACK UP QB---- sophistication
The kicker for Utah is from Roseville CA, ironic.
No sacks; no adjustment; no running; but why are we sparring the offense and Riley ? Take away the Bullock and Branch scores and USC scores only 19 points.
Marshawn a TD waiting to happen..why take him out the game???
Caleb’s throwing hand is hurt. His grip is off and you can see the bandages on his fingers, but it’s also a metatarsal.
The Bear Alexander penalty. Drove me friggin crazy. WTF
Uh he launched himself which meant targeting you must've not watched the game😂😂😂😂😂
i agree Lincoln got our COACHED!
Where's Mark?
Can't see him...
Fix it.
I thought we were going to get the Utah coach butt we got Riley instead. Grinch NEVER has our guys in the right position!