DM: "I have a really f***ed sense of humour". Me: "I'm not playing with someone with a "really f***ed sense of humour" who can't keep it to themselves".
Yeah that was just sad! Should have taken nobody laughing at his bad jokes as an indication not to continue, but I guess pride kicked in, making him double down and believe if he tried HARDER, he'll impress the GUYS at least! I feel he was hoping for a scenario where the girl would keep quiet and the guys who join him in being creeps or keep quiet and instead never factored the "we'll see ourselves out" applying ALMOST IMMEDIATLY! That did make me LOL cause I was like "FINALLY people FUCKING LEFT the very moment the creep DM bluntly showed off his creepiness in Minute/Hour 1 instead of waiting till Session 1-10!" But yeah it's best you never play "Sunk Cost Fallacy" Kiddos and just....just leave! These people like the DM of S1 NEVER get better and if their TRIPLING down like this in minute/hour 1! You have your proof right there that they are not "good peoples" so don't bother! You got better things to do then waste good time of your short life on idiots and losers! You already waste a penny worth already just in this timeframe, don't waste it any further. They will never get better because they don't WANT to get better (I'm sure he's gotten this reaction many MANY times in the past before OP group, so he doesn't have an excuse of "not knowing better" and I'm sure out of an example of 5 groups before OP, 1 of them did respond in the way he wanted and he still CLINGS to the fact he'll get such a group again when it's likely even THEY were only amused for a millisecond then dismissed him and moved on with their lives! Something HE should have done. And would not be surprised if OP's group WON'T be the last who just "fucking BAIL" on the loser! Hopefully far SOONER then OP)
DM: "What's your body count?" Rogue: "I don't know... 30?" DM: "That's a lot! Did you even love any of them?!" Rogue: "...Wait. Did you mean how many people I have had SEX with?" DM: "Uh, yeah?" Rogue: "Oh. Then none."
I honestly didn't know 'body count' could mean 'number of sex partners'. And so would probably have answered something like 'uh, I'm pretty new at this, do rats count?'
That second story hurts on so many levels 1 - "Only incels play Paladin". I can't speak for everyone's personal experience, but every Paladin player I've ever come across have been pretty chill people who want to play a challenging class that rewards the absolute rarest trait in any D&D player: self-control. That doesn't really scream incel to me 2 - It makes me a little sad to see that chaotic stupid characters have become so normalized and dime a dozen that putting items in the campaign tailored to people of an opposing alignment is viewed as a personal attack or favoritism 3 - Who wastes coffee like that, and I hope it was at least iced coffee and the DM wasn't burned
I remember a dude telling me that and I said "Not only you don't have a key there, you have no brain either" Tactless? Yes, I admit it, it was a specially bad day and he was being very obnoxious, I wish I had said or done something with more grace. Heck ,I should have just left, I don't get why I just had to be the one with the "smart sarcastic lingo" at that moment. But I still do believe that analogy is one of the most inaccurate and way to simplistic in existence and it still baffles me why some people still use it to this day.
I have bent and snapped multiple keys in anger. Anyhow. These guys act like the human body isn't alive. Like bro, when you lift a weight, what happens to your arm? The muscles inside it? Y'know, muscles, the things that (ironcally) are harder than soft unused tissues. Like cmon. Ya'll just want someone else to blame when you can't get you partner aroused stfu.
- Doge says to not search FATAL - I search it anyways - See that it's a system with sexual content that has a really negative reputation - Yep, checks out
The negative reputation is not simply for its content: it also has absurd game mechanics (make a contested roll by rolling d100 twice with no modifiers on either roll, and see which roll was higher - instead of flipping a coin) and issues (such as negative numbers appearing in places... let's say where they make no sense whatsover) that prove its creator(s) not only don't understand people but math. And said creator has a habit of doubling down on insisting the deep historical accuracy and mathematical genius of their work.
@@lagartopunkarrano, no, a good chunk of the reputation IS from the content. lest we forget that orifices circumferences may be part of saving throws against lethal damage
I have a feeling that the "DM" from the first story wouldn't have done that same joke with a female character he knew was played by a male player, becuase he thinks theres a difference in game between that.
Story #1 -Simply walking, best move possible. That is, short of bitch-slapping this DM into the middle of next week, which he fully deserved - but that would likely have gotten the police involved. I am glad that other Players also walked, and that they have all since found a much better DM. Story #2 - Sarah seemed to be well on her way to full-blown Main Character Syndrome, if not already there. Issues there, I guess. Her getting booted was the only thing to be done. No coming back from that kind of behavior. Story #3 - Player handled things exactly right. Another sorry excuse for a human being right there. Story #4 - Retreat can be the smart move, absolutely. But this DM clearly fails to understand that most people play RPGs to become awesome. If the Party cannot level up and all they ever get to do is run away from certain death, then that game is a total waste of time and Character sheets. Story #5 - Seems to me that the DM was knee-jerking his way through this scenario. Certainly, the only times he seemed to think even a little was when the Players called him out on stuff he'd done - and his excuses then were just sad. Story #6 - They tried talking with the DM about it. Him asking if it was actually happening or just seemed like it says pretty much all you'd need to know. WALK. Once again, this is not a thing that'll get better by itself. They COULD try talking with PP directly, but I am not optimistic
I believe there was a recent irl pvp horror story (either Crispy or Tales to Morrow) where a player was shouting at the DM and both were standing, about to start something physical. The player's GF tried to get in between to defuse but player violently pushed her away, and that's when DM punched player and a fight ensued. I believe cops did get involved but I suspect DM gpt away with some plea deal and the argument that he was trying to defend the girl from her gone-violent bf and himself too. We could invoke defense disproportionate to offense but I'm no lawyer and I don't have more details.
So happy that the guys in the first story supported the girl player. Far too often in these stories do the dudes just keep quiet or side with the creep, so it's just really nice to see them not putting up with it. See the third story for example. I really don't get dudes like the DM, but u do think the reason why they're so openly creepy is because they mistake being DM for having power over the players as people. That or they mistake blatant sexism for flirting. Both, maybe.
I don't care what a lady's bodycount is as long as she cleans up afterwards. Seriously Mildred I don't want another day off ruined by an impromptu trip to the pig-farm because you couldn't plan ahead. Less a case "DM didn't read the room" and more a case of the DM being full of fail full stop.
Story 2: The dex fighter sounds like a bit of main char indeed, along the style-lines of 'if I don't like it, everyone has to hate and let me insult you if you dare to not agree with me'
Nonsense Story. Have to admit. I was laughing a lot listening to this one. Although I could see if the guys waiting at the basement door would lock it. That would be a good way with all the noise of a fire and stuff going on fighting a tiger nearby to be able to tell when the party came back to the door as the party would make noise right there trying to open the door. Thus alerting the guards that they were back and giving the guards a few seconds to ready themselves. The rest was just comical.
I understand people who think Lawful Good paladins are boring. I mean they are mostly from being forced into LG for so long. Fortunately now paladins are far superior to their ancient ancestors and can be ANY lawful alignment. Lawful Neutral or Evil conquest paladins can be hella fun.
I had a DM that did something similar to the first story (this was a woman BTW) I told her "Go ahead and give me the nat 1, my cleric is a bit of whore" She sat there next to my then wife and said "alright so the gnome offers a wide variety of healing"
@Bodycount I'd say he didn't even need to read body language. The person in question made it easy and told him to cut it out multiple times. @Coffee Throw Agreed, Doge, OP has weird logic, saying it's DM's fault they're down a player for kicking the asshole that threw coffee at them.
Advice for the last OP, get a sound file of a loud buzzer and play it whenever the problem player interrupts you. and follow it up with "Please don't interrupt". Then continue with what you were saying. If he interrupts again or complains, play the sound file again. don't raise your voice or get into an argument, just hit the buzzer when he interrupts and politely ask him not to.
"What's your body count?" "See, I know what you mean, but if you ask that again, I'll be increasing my body count by one under the _other_ meaning of the term." **brandishes knife**
Last story hit me pretty hard I was joining the advertise game that said we are the hero But the DM best friend just doing the war crime stuff without getting punished and also over-talking to the point of screaming to shut us up and not to mention keep bullying and force the scene away from my character Suddenly I got kick out of the game for not really getting along with his best friend even though “ my friend is really trying to be nice to you “ Some people are just blind because of “friendships” huh
First story: I like the session zero RP idea, but that guy was a creep with a capital CREEP! If someone asked for my body count like that, my answer would be “sex, none of your damn business. Murder, about to go up by one if you keep pestering me about this.” Second story: Sarah: “Are you trying to make me look stupid in front of the other players?” DM: “You don’t need any help from me.” Movie references aside, the DM made the right choice in kicking Sarah. Someone who gets physically violent over a pretend game is way too immature for D&D. Third story: Wow, that guy really thought he was doing something there. I’m torn between laughing at how stupid he is for thinking OP’s even going to care what’s happening in a game they’ve long since left and being deeply disturbed by how long he’s been holding that grudge and how determined he is to assault this character. Either way, I’m amazed that there’s anyone still willing to play with him after that incident. Fourth story: I get what the DM was trying to do here, but he really overdid it. Yes, running away is a valid choice and in some cases the smartest one. Yes, it’s reasonable as a DM to give the party an occasional encounter they can’t beat and have to run away from. The thing is, in D&D, the PCs are supposed to be the heroes of the story. If the heroes never have a chance to actually win, people are going to lose interest in the story, and that’s exactly what happened here. Fifth story: I don’t think this DM thought things through very well. I also think he might want to try a more rules-light system than D&D. D&D’s great, but it’s not for everyone, and multiple systems exist for a reason. Sixth story: My advice to OP would be to quit. You basically aren’t getting to play, and the DM is refusing to help. There are better groups out there-groups where everyone actually respects each other instead of just yelling over whoever’s trying to talk. Groups where the DM listens to player feedback instead of just telling them to deal with it. The point of D&D is to have fun. If you’re not having fun with this group and no one will work with you to make it fun, you should leave.
"Because the dungeon master refuses to let her play anymore," madre dios if she'd done that to me that sentence would've read "Because the hospital won't let her leave the ICU anymore."
First session definitely had a fascinating session zero convept that reminds me of some video game custom character creation aesthetics. Was expecting body count to mean "mature encounters", inappropriate treatment of a soldier, or baiting the player to think slain foes only to reveal it's mature encounters. Second story starts off with a bang with problem player preemptively treating paladin players as incels or problems players (an unfortunately common pattern in tabletop hirror stories). I feel slightly concerned about the way OP phrased the fighter getting kicked out implying the DM is at fault, but I'm certainly overthinking things. Good on OP of the third story for quitting and denying the problem DM's claim to the departed character. Even better how that guy's group got kicked out of a public place. Fourth story was (relatively) short and sweet response to constantly facing overpowered enemies too often. Fifth story felt like OP was a rules lawyer, though not maliciously or unfairly. Definitely some leaps in logic by the DM to return things to the enemy's favor. Fifth story sounds like OP should get other table members involved if DM will just brush it aside.
@@daggern15Literally never heard it used in this context until last week. Though I'm usually behind on the slang. Other commenter said it's used mainly in a certain community.
Along with "sexual market value" that's a very incel/alpha community term, it's disgusting it's sexist it's sleazy it shows the speaker has absolutely no idea how people operate and has clearly never touched a woman. In other words, perfect for the DM.
What is it about TTRPGs that makes perverts think that it is a bad door to sexy times or at least fetish fuel? Targeting her was just plain creepy and it is telling that some players stayed. The series of echo chambers that is The Internet normalizes crap like that way too much. Sex jokes are fine in a setting where all the people in the room are adults and comfortable with it, but I doubt that was a joke and he should have dropped it the second she gave push back.
Dave's character in that DM's games ceased to be his character the minute he walked away from the game. and thus, the DM can't hurt him by hurting her. I mean I wouldn't be too upset if my character DIED in a campaign, at least if it wasn't early on, especially if she gets to die heroically. but that's because I signed up for a campaign with danger and a chance of death. having it happen once every so often even if only rarely proves that I am getting what I signed up for. However this "DM" sounds like he's just torturing this now NPC character cuz he's a slimebag wormturd.
The sexual content wasn't the issue in story 1, but the shitty sexist attitude of that DM. When he said "the horny race?", this was probably meant as a pun about tiefling horns, and the DM should have noted her reaction and gone no further. That's at about the last point where the situation was still salvageable. Does he understand that his idiotic Red Pill beliefs are only going to make him bitter, lonely, and miserable?
Best guess for "only incels play Paladin" statement is that they can use the lawful good alignment to be all nice guy. Even then that doesn't really fit with the description of an "incel".
Good to see Luna joining your Like and Subscribe Kitty Squad on the regular! Speaking of which, I'd love to see the whole group together some day, maybe for a holiday or subscriber milestone special. Kudos to OP in that first story for not taking the troll bait! That was a super mature boss move that completely denied the pervy DM the power he was trying to claim over her. Ultimately, Perv DM's failure to grow up only cost him even more respect in addition to losing the privilege of using that store as his gaming venue. I'm a little worried that he still had players willing to tolerate his creepy fetish/obsession, it will only serve to enable and sustain the behavior. Which is sad because it'll already take a significant external challenge for this DM to reflect, correct, and grow to become a better person.
For the Nonsense story, I've definitely seen people like that, who just can't for the life of them keep track of size, distance, urgency, the locations of things, inventory.... You could be in the middle of a forest deep in the wilderness, two days trek from the nearest town, and he'll say he sits on a couch. It's a pretty sure sign that they're not here for role-playing.
Making a horny joke about a race with horns is cringe, but the crux of the issue is the host springing a NSFW campaign on the players without any indication of said NSFW campain. That is a good way to burn bridges. Then again, this DM thinks that a woman is worth less for having actual experience. The whole keys and locks things doesn't make any sense because a key that opens many locks is a liability, and a good way to get robbed. That's why master keys will have a few locks that they won't be able to open, to prevent theft. Not to mention that sex is more comparable to a mix between dancing and wrestling, both of which only get better with experience, regardless of the gender.
It all stems from a blatant lack of how female reproductive system works. Rather than understanding that it's a muscle... And functions like a muscle, they confuse it for something like an elastic inanimate object like a rubber band or hair tie. Something that permanently loses its elasticity the more it's "used". They genuinely don't know that "looseness" doesn't come from over use but is literally just the muscle relaxing because the woman is relaxed and enjoying things. "Tightness" means she either practices keegals which is great and enjoyable for both people or shes NOT enjoying herself and just tolerating it or even being SA'd, which is obviously bad...
Ahh yes. NSFW campaigns. The first rule is no kiddies. The second rule is that you don't talk about the NSFW campaign. The third rule is that ALL PARTIES are clear about the fact it is a NSFW campaign.
I genuinely would have told that one DM that using "my" old character like that is A. Pathetic and B. Sad, told him he was obsessed with me, and laughed in his face. Because that's what came out of my mouth while listening to that story. Truly, that's fan behavior. Bestieeeee.....
First one: huh, thought they meant how many people the character killed. Never heard of the number of past partners as a "body count." They did say they were there to kill. I think this story requires context for how old the players and gm are. A 10 year old doing this is them being dumb kids with no life experiance; a 20 year old doing this is a social disfunction.
We're missing a lot of context and backstory in the second story. If the Paladin seemed (to the OP) to be getting special treatment from the DM prior to this I can see getting upset at him getting such a powerful weapon. I can even see getting upset even without any prior special treatment if the weapon was significantly more powerful than anything anyone had seeing how it was only usable by the one character. That doesn't justify her dumping coffee on the DM.
Coffee Throw Story. Is it odd that I am more upset by the waste of the NECTAR OF THE GODS by this INFIDEL HEATHEN who angrily TOSSED AWAY THE ELIXIR OF LIFE just because they were upset than anything that was actually said?
Maaaaaaybe it's because I don't have much, so I super care about a lot of my clothing- but whether or not the coffee was hot that stuff STAINS. I would have been in tears if I had been drenched in coffee over something so dumb.
Bro, why are there so many stories of these dudes wanting sa and r@pe in there campaigns it's really gross and it makes me worry about what they are upto when away from the table
About the first story: This DM is the reason why DnD has a bad name to everyone, especially for women. Why there are Dm like this A-hole? Story: About the fighter, I would give her the benefit of the doubt and perhaps she had a bad experience with other players who played paladin before. I mean, after reading and listening TTRPG horror stories about paladins, maybe she was a victim by that class. IDK, I' just speculating. The third story, I will put that DM in the Ban List to enter the story, and let the other stores know about this DM. We should stop invite those creeps to play DnD. The last story, I would say to OP, dude, just leave the game, if this really stressing you out too much and the game is no fun anymore, just leave it. No DnD is better than Bad DnD.
Interupted Story. Simply put this will probably not end well. Even if PP doesn't realize he is doing it, it is part of his nature and he will continue to do it a lot even if he wants to stop. Which I doubt they actually do. DM is PP best friend, and the DM not even noticing they must ask their own girlfriend to repeat themselves because PP is talking over OP shows, to me at least, that DM and PP see nothing wrong with this behavior. I don't know how this will go down exactly, but I see a high probability that DM will either loose a GF or BF in the near future.
As a travel dragon, I know that I would only join a group with people I know. At least I know what i'm getting into. Shinadigains with friends are the best. Also Wish Luna a good recovery
Honestly I feel like all of the "horror stories" have literally only been horror stories because the players are incompatible with each other or the DM. Just haven't found the right people. But it can be tough because not everyone is into D&D
@@idr121 Non female type, he can't play with them. Look a group of racists can play fine... with other racists. DnD is for everyone, not just the people you deem worthy. Everyone can get along, just sometimes that means separately just find your group.
Throwing coffee on someone is assault. If the coffee is hot then it is also battery as there is physical harm! This may vary from state to state but where I live, this is the case. Hope this helps!
I would suggest muting the idiot when it's your time to do something so you don't have to listen to him. Say your piece without feeling like you have to "talk over" him, and then the others will have to deal with needing repeats. If it doesn't get better, leave, even with your bf.
Body Count: . . . Simple rule between lovers; we don't kiss and tell. Coffee Throw: That sounds like an incredibly insecure little person and does not have my sympathy. Besides that... Why paladins? Yeah...but why paladins? (guess the movie reference) Old Horror DM: Good for the store staff to kick them out... besides him being a manchild... WHY IS HE AND HIS GROUP DO THAT KIND OF SHENANIGANS IN A LOCAL GAME SHOP!? Run Away: What kind of game is he running? A peasant game? I'm more confused by how the DM felt the need to TEACH instead of hosting the game than the roundabout way of nothing. Nonsense: Annnd the importance of having a script to default to when players do crazy stuff. Having it at least as a reference would help a lot. Interrupted: Advice? Tell the DM that even if the Problem Player is his best friend, he gotta put his foot down about the interruptions. It is not fair for the other players that the problem player has a say in almost everything. It is a social game, not a one-man-band show. Don't hassle yer boyfriend, but let him know that if it keeps up, you're going to step away with no plans of returning to that campaign. Also...red flags are not forbidden ju-ju, they are warnings to proceed with caution; so it is okay to show a little favoritism to you, girl! Why? It is ten times better than showing no love or attention AT ALL towards you (because that is social neglect... in a social game... where the biggest spell component in the magic of D&D is VERBAL.)
Re: the "House on Fire" story. Obviously, the DM completely blew it, but I can sympathize. We've all been there -- the party figures out a way to breeze through your scenario, and suddenly you're in damage control mode, trying to improvise some way to make it a challenge for them. It's easy to panic and start grasping at straws, which I suspect is what happened here. If they're a decent DM in general, I would cut them some slack, and maybe recommend they avoid something as open-ended as a heist adventure until they have a little more experience under their belt.
When I play on discord and I feel like I'm not being heard (or more often I just wanna make a comment and not interrupt) I type it out int he Discord chat or Roll20 chat.
Incel is a conjunction word of “Involuntary Celibate,”and it’s often referring to men online who think women are conspiring against them to keep them virgins. It’s a real group with real world consequences (including a shooting.) That being said, doubt the player the lady is accusing is an incel at all and she was just looking for justifications to judge them for their character choice.
I get the pun he was trying to make (in a cringeworthy manner) but humans are clearly the horny race in D&D and the very existence of Tieflings proves that, along with half elves, half orcs, probably Dragonborn.
Incel is short for "Involuntary Celibate." Although technically gender neutral, it is usually used to refer to a man who, for whatever reason, is unable to find a girlfriend or sexual partner. It is most often used as an insult.
It always saddens me when I see a story where one person is harassing another player and NOONE says anything! For the love of all that's holy people if you see someone being harassed speak up!
To be honest, I thought that was kind of funny. When the DM said the horny race, But then it did kind of get weird when he actually meant like sexually and not because they actually have horns.
Ok, I'm not exactly proud of this, but I have poured coffee on someone for pissing me off but hear me out. It wasn't scalding, it was an iced mocha. I didn't throw it, I poured it in someone's lap. And it wasn't for no reason, but because the creep kept rubbing my calf with her foot after I told her to stop THREE TIMES.
You should be proud of that, as you gave them the most literal cold shoulder possible beyond actually putting ice on theirs. And from the sounds of it, they got the hint at that point.
Asking about body count if your not in a relationship with that person or in the process of starting a relationship is cringe. Its personal info that should only be discussed between a couple.
First story, I sort of getting what I meant with that quote, he is implying that she is servient to a man or is public toilet to all, very gross perspective he has there.
The "horny race" would cause my form so much cringe. Than add the "I exist to kill specific race" for a story would legit make me go... Okay time to go. (Still sorry for what happened to her though.)
I only recently learned that "body count" can mean sex, I thought it always meant murder until a couple of years ago.
In some cases it does.
Oh man, that’s a relief. I was wondering how people knew. I always kept saying 0.
It DID mean murder until a couple of years ago...
Regarding the DM in story one, I've never seen a dude try to advertise his lack of success with women so aggressively in my life.
Gee, I wonder why he has no luck with the ladies? Could it be his "winning personality".
DM: "I have a really f***ed sense of humour".
Me: "I'm not playing with someone with a "really f***ed sense of humour" who can't keep it to themselves".
Yeah that was just sad! Should have taken nobody laughing at his bad jokes as an indication not to continue, but I guess pride kicked in, making him double down and believe if he tried HARDER, he'll impress the GUYS at least! I feel he was hoping for a scenario where the girl would keep quiet and the guys who join him in being creeps or keep quiet and instead never factored the "we'll see ourselves out" applying ALMOST IMMEDIATLY! That did make me LOL cause I was like "FINALLY people FUCKING LEFT the very moment the creep DM bluntly showed off his creepiness in Minute/Hour 1 instead of waiting till Session 1-10!" But yeah it's best you never play "Sunk Cost Fallacy" Kiddos and just....just leave! These people like the DM of S1 NEVER get better and if their TRIPLING down like this in minute/hour 1! You have your proof right there that they are not "good peoples" so don't bother! You got better things to do then waste good time of your short life on idiots and losers! You already waste a penny worth already just in this timeframe, don't waste it any further. They will never get better because they don't WANT to get better (I'm sure he's gotten this reaction many MANY times in the past before OP group, so he doesn't have an excuse of "not knowing better" and I'm sure out of an example of 5 groups before OP, 1 of them did respond in the way he wanted and he still CLINGS to the fact he'll get such a group again when it's likely even THEY were only amused for a millisecond then dismissed him and moved on with their lives! Something HE should have done. And would not be surprised if OP's group WON'T be the last who just "fucking BAIL" on the loser! Hopefully far SOONER then OP)
A key that won’t open any locks is also a shitty key.
Nothing says horny incel like talking about sex market.
The perfect response to the lock comparison is to respond “ can your key actually open any lock ?”
Id say the perfect response is "women arent locks, dude"
or "A pencil sharpener that can sharpen any pencil is a good pencil sharpener. A pencil that has been sharpened too much is small and useless"
DM: "What's your body count?"
Rogue: "I don't know... 30?"
DM: "That's a lot! Did you even love any of them?!"
Rogue: "...Wait. Did you mean how many people I have had SEX with?"
DM: "Uh, yeah?"
Rogue: "Oh. Then none."
"That guy" Rogue: "oh, then all 30 of them... After I killed them"
Edited: A level one rouge with 30 corpses already? Sounds like a reliable assassin.
@@sharkjumpingwalrus6744or... level 3.
@@sharkjumpingwalrus6744I played a bard with many more kills than that. To be fair though he was from the college of whispers.
I honestly didn't know 'body count' could mean 'number of sex partners'. And so would probably have answered something like 'uh, I'm pretty new at this, do rats count?'
That second story hurts on so many levels
1 - "Only incels play Paladin". I can't speak for everyone's personal experience, but every Paladin player I've ever come across have been pretty chill people who want to play a challenging class that rewards the absolute rarest trait in any D&D player: self-control. That doesn't really scream incel to me
2 - It makes me a little sad to see that chaotic stupid characters have become so normalized and dime a dozen that putting items in the campaign tailored to people of an opposing alignment is viewed as a personal attack or favoritism
3 - Who wastes coffee like that, and I hope it was at least iced coffee and the DM wasn't burned
Literally every class, and every race in dnd, had an asshole playing it. The "Only incels play Paladin" made me laugh so hard.
Anyone using the "Key and Holes" analogy should have their 'key' snapped tbh.
It wouldn't be a big loss. He's clearly never used his.
They should be countrpointed with the pencil and the pencil sharper.
I remember a dude telling me that and I said "Not only you don't have a key there, you have no brain either"
Tactless? Yes, I admit it, it was a specially bad day and he was being very obnoxious, I wish I had said or done something with more grace. Heck ,I should have just left, I don't get why I just had to be the one with the "smart sarcastic lingo" at that moment. But I still do believe that analogy is one of the most inaccurate and way to simplistic in existence and it still baffles me why some people still use it to this day.
I have bent and snapped multiple keys in anger. Anyhow. These guys act like the human body isn't alive. Like bro, when you lift a weight, what happens to your arm? The muscles inside it? Y'know, muscles, the things that (ironcally) are harder than soft unused tissues. Like cmon. Ya'll just want someone else to blame when you can't get you partner aroused stfu.
the master key/shitty lock analogy and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
- Doge says to not search FATAL
- I search it anyways
- See that it's a system with sexual content that has a really negative reputation
- Yep, checks out
The negative reputation is not simply for its content: it also has absurd game mechanics (make a contested roll by rolling d100 twice with no modifiers on either roll, and see which roll was higher - instead of flipping a coin) and issues (such as negative numbers appearing in places... let's say where they make no sense whatsover) that prove its creator(s) not only don't understand people but math. And said creator has a habit of doubling down on insisting the deep historical accuracy and mathematical genius of their work.
@@DanaOtken I wasn't implying that the bad reputation was just from the content, but good to know all this stuff.
@@lagartopunkarrano, no, a good chunk of the reputation IS from the content.
lest we forget that orifices circumferences may be part of saving throws against lethal damage
@@serPomizso, a smaller orfice is less likely to take butthole-damage?
@@zeehero7280the contrary
I have a feeling that the "DM" from the first story wouldn't have done that same joke with a female character he knew was played by a male player, becuase he thinks theres a difference in game between that.
Story #1 -Simply walking, best move possible. That is, short of bitch-slapping this DM into the middle of next week, which he fully deserved - but that would likely have gotten the police involved. I am glad that other Players also walked, and that they have all since found a much better DM.
Story #2 - Sarah seemed to be well on her way to full-blown Main Character Syndrome, if not already there. Issues there, I guess. Her getting booted was the only thing to be done. No coming back from that kind of behavior.
Story #3 - Player handled things exactly right. Another sorry excuse for a human being right there.
Story #4 - Retreat can be the smart move, absolutely. But this DM clearly fails to understand that most people play RPGs to become awesome. If the Party cannot level up and all they ever get to do is run away from certain death, then that game is a total waste of time and Character sheets.
Story #5 - Seems to me that the DM was knee-jerking his way through this scenario. Certainly, the only times he seemed to think even a little was when the Players called him out on stuff he'd done - and his excuses then were just sad.
Story #6 - They tried talking with the DM about it. Him asking if it was actually happening or just seemed like it says pretty much all you'd need to know. WALK. Once again, this is not a thing that'll get better by itself. They COULD try talking with PP directly, but I am not optimistic
I believe there was a recent irl pvp horror story (either Crispy or Tales to Morrow) where a player was shouting at the DM and both were standing, about to start something physical. The player's GF tried to get in between to defuse but player violently pushed her away, and that's when DM punched player and a fight ensued. I believe cops did get involved but I suspect DM gpt away with some plea deal and the argument that he was trying to defend the girl from her gone-violent bf and himself too. We could invoke defense disproportionate to offense but I'm no lawyer and I don't have more details.
Old Horror DM. That dm has got to be one of the most pathetic people I have ever heard of.
Better to be a door that has many keys, then a key that can’t open any doors. Lol
So happy that the guys in the first story supported the girl player. Far too often in these stories do the dudes just keep quiet or side with the creep, so it's just really nice to see them not putting up with it.
See the third story for example.
I really don't get dudes like the DM, but u do think the reason why they're so openly creepy is because they mistake being DM for having power over the players as people. That or they mistake blatant sexism for flirting. Both, maybe.
The idea of Confucius going around pontificating cereal box manosphere quotes is hilarious
Luna is such a precious baby!!!
"A key that has never opened a lock is a useless key"
Maybe that key's just waiting for the right lock
I don't care what a lady's bodycount is as long as she cleans up afterwards. Seriously Mildred I don't want another day off ruined by an impromptu trip to the pig-farm because you couldn't plan ahead.
Less a case "DM didn't read the room" and more a case of the DM being full of fail full stop.
Story 2: The dex fighter sounds like a bit of main char indeed, along the style-lines of 'if I don't like it, everyone has to hate and let me insult you if you dare to not agree with me'
Nonsense Story. Have to admit. I was laughing a lot listening to this one. Although I could see if the guys waiting at the basement door would lock it. That would be a good way with all the noise of a fire and stuff going on fighting a tiger nearby to be able to tell when the party came back to the door as the party would make noise right there trying to open the door. Thus alerting the guards that they were back and giving the guards a few seconds to ready themselves.
The rest was just comical.
I understand people who think Lawful Good paladins are boring. I mean they are mostly from being forced into LG for so long.
Fortunately now paladins are far superior to their ancient ancestors and can be ANY lawful alignment. Lawful Neutral or Evil conquest paladins can be hella fun.
I had a DM that did something similar to the first story (this was a woman BTW) I told her "Go ahead and give me the nat 1, my cleric is a bit of whore" She sat there next to my then wife and said "alright so the gnome offers a wide variety of healing"
@Bodycount
I'd say he didn't even need to read body language. The person in question made it easy and told him to cut it out multiple times.
@Coffee Throw
Agreed, Doge, OP has weird logic, saying it's DM's fault they're down a player for kicking the asshole that threw coffee at them.
That fire in the manor? It wasn't a fire, it was the northern lights.
At this time of the year? At this time of the day? In this part of the country? Localized entirely within this manor?
@@RocknRoll301199 Yes!
F that first DM, and F the players that stayed with him.
I don’t think anyone wants to F that dm.
Advice for the last OP, get a sound file of a loud buzzer and play it whenever the problem player interrupts you. and follow it up with "Please don't interrupt". Then continue with what you were saying. If he interrupts again or complains, play the sound file again.
don't raise your voice or get into an argument, just hit the buzzer when he interrupts and politely ask him not to.
To the first story: this is not a red pill moment, this is not asking for your future wife moment. This is escapism and fiction.
"What's your body count?"
"See, I know what you mean, but if you ask that again, I'll be increasing my body count by one under the _other_ meaning of the term." **brandishes knife**
you're one of my all time favorite knitting companions :3
Last story hit me pretty hard I was joining the advertise game that said we are the hero
But the DM best friend just doing the war crime stuff without getting punished and also over-talking to the point of screaming to shut us up and not to mention keep bullying and force the scene away from my character
Suddenly I got kick out of the game for not really getting along with his best friend even though “ my friend is really trying to be nice to you “
Some people are just blind because of “friendships” huh
First story: I like the session zero RP idea, but that guy was a creep with a capital CREEP! If someone asked for my body count like that, my answer would be “sex, none of your damn business. Murder, about to go up by one if you keep pestering me about this.”
Second story: Sarah: “Are you trying to make me look stupid in front of the other players?”
DM: “You don’t need any help from me.”
Movie references aside, the DM made the right choice in kicking Sarah. Someone who gets physically violent over a pretend game is way too immature for D&D.
Third story: Wow, that guy really thought he was doing something there. I’m torn between laughing at how stupid he is for thinking OP’s even going to care what’s happening in a game they’ve long since left and being deeply disturbed by how long he’s been holding that grudge and how determined he is to assault this character. Either way, I’m amazed that there’s anyone still willing to play with him after that incident.
Fourth story: I get what the DM was trying to do here, but he really overdid it. Yes, running away is a valid choice and in some cases the smartest one. Yes, it’s reasonable as a DM to give the party an occasional encounter they can’t beat and have to run away from. The thing is, in D&D, the PCs are supposed to be the heroes of the story. If the heroes never have a chance to actually win, people are going to lose interest in the story, and that’s exactly what happened here.
Fifth story: I don’t think this DM thought things through very well. I also think he might want to try a more rules-light system than D&D. D&D’s great, but it’s not for everyone, and multiple systems exist for a reason.
Sixth story: My advice to OP would be to quit. You basically aren’t getting to play, and the DM is refusing to help. There are better groups out there-groups where everyone actually respects each other instead of just yelling over whoever’s trying to talk. Groups where the DM listens to player feedback instead of just telling them to deal with it. The point of D&D is to have fun. If you’re not having fun with this group and no one will work with you to make it fun, you should leave.
Shake, rattle and roll.
Hope Luna is well
"what do you think about that?"
"I don't think about it."
"Because the dungeon master refuses to let her play anymore," madre dios if she'd done that to me that sentence would've read "Because the hospital won't let her leave the ICU anymore."
Thrown coffee is assault either way. All you have to is touch some, for it to be considered assault.
First session definitely had a fascinating session zero convept that reminds me of some video game custom character creation aesthetics. Was expecting body count to mean "mature encounters", inappropriate treatment of a soldier, or baiting the player to think slain foes only to reveal it's mature encounters.
Second story starts off with a bang with problem player preemptively treating paladin players as incels or problems players (an unfortunately common pattern in tabletop hirror stories). I feel slightly concerned about the way OP phrased the fighter getting kicked out implying the DM is at fault, but I'm certainly overthinking things.
Good on OP of the third story for quitting and denying the problem DM's claim to the departed character. Even better how that guy's group got kicked out of a public place.
Fourth story was (relatively) short and sweet response to constantly facing overpowered enemies too often.
Fifth story felt like OP was a rules lawyer, though not maliciously or unfairly. Definitely some leaps in logic by the DM to return things to the enemy's favor.
Fifth story sounds like OP should get other table members involved if DM will just brush it aside.
That’s now twice I’ve heard “body count” used in that manner.
It's a thing used in the red-pill community.
@@spectrelead Yep its a red flag to indicate someone doesn't know how vaginas work.
It's a pretty common term.
@@daggern15Literally never heard it used in this context until last week. Though I'm usually behind on the slang. Other commenter said it's used mainly in a certain community.
Along with "sexual market value" that's a very incel/alpha community term, it's disgusting it's sexist it's sleazy it shows the speaker has absolutely no idea how people operate and has clearly never touched a woman.
In other words, perfect for the DM.
What is it about TTRPGs that makes perverts think that it is a bad door to sexy times or at least fetish fuel? Targeting her was just plain creepy and it is telling that some players stayed. The series of echo chambers that is The Internet normalizes crap like that way too much. Sex jokes are fine in a setting where all the people in the room are adults and comfortable with it, but I doubt that was a joke and he should have dropped it the second she gave push back.
Dave's character in that DM's games ceased to be his character the minute he walked away from the game. and thus, the DM can't hurt him by hurting her.
I mean I wouldn't be too upset if my character DIED in a campaign, at least if it wasn't early on, especially if she gets to die heroically. but that's because I signed up for a campaign with danger and a chance of death. having it happen once every so often even if only rarely proves that I am getting what I signed up for.
However this "DM" sounds like he's just torturing this now NPC character cuz he's a slimebag wormturd.
The sexual content wasn't the issue in story 1, but the shitty sexist attitude of that DM. When he said "the horny race?", this was probably meant as a pun about tiefling horns, and the DM should have noted her reaction and gone no further. That's at about the last point where the situation was still salvageable.
Does he understand that his idiotic Red Pill beliefs are only going to make him bitter, lonely, and miserable?
Best guess for "only incels play Paladin" statement is that they can use the lawful good alignment to be all nice guy. Even then that doesn't really fit with the description of an "incel".
2nd story: Yeah, ok, ASSAULT! I'm sorry, who is supposed to be the incel here!?
Good to see Luna joining your Like and Subscribe Kitty Squad on the regular! Speaking of which, I'd love to see the whole group together some day, maybe for a holiday or subscriber milestone special.
Kudos to OP in that first story for not taking the troll bait! That was a super mature boss move that completely denied the pervy DM the power he was trying to claim over her. Ultimately, Perv DM's failure to grow up only cost him even more respect in addition to losing the privilege of using that store as his gaming venue.
I'm a little worried that he still had players willing to tolerate his creepy fetish/obsession, it will only serve to enable and sustain the behavior. Which is sad because it'll already take a significant external challenge for this DM to reflect, correct, and grow to become a better person.
For the Nonsense story, I've definitely seen people like that, who just can't for the life of them keep track of size, distance, urgency, the locations of things, inventory.... You could be in the middle of a forest deep in the wilderness, two days trek from the nearest town, and he'll say he sits on a couch. It's a pretty sure sign that they're not here for role-playing.
Making a horny joke about a race with horns is cringe, but the crux of the issue is the host springing a NSFW campaign on the players without any indication of said NSFW campain. That is a good way to burn bridges. Then again, this DM thinks that a woman is worth less for having actual experience. The whole keys and locks things doesn't make any sense because a key that opens many locks is a liability, and a good way to get robbed. That's why master keys will have a few locks that they won't be able to open, to prevent theft. Not to mention that sex is more comparable to a mix between dancing and wrestling, both of which only get better with experience, regardless of the gender.
Its pretty obvious no one has let him near a vagina since he doesn't seem to know how they work.
It all stems from a blatant lack of how female reproductive system works. Rather than understanding that it's a muscle... And functions like a muscle, they confuse it for something like an elastic inanimate object like a rubber band or hair tie. Something that permanently loses its elasticity the more it's "used". They genuinely don't know that "looseness" doesn't come from over use but is literally just the muscle relaxing because the woman is relaxed and enjoying things. "Tightness" means she either practices keegals which is great and enjoyable for both people or shes NOT enjoying herself and just tolerating it or even being SA'd, which is obviously bad...
Ahh yes. NSFW campaigns. The first rule is no kiddies. The second rule is that you don't talk about the NSFW campaign. The third rule is that ALL PARTIES are clear about the fact it is a NSFW campaign.
The best way to start Monday
I genuinely would have told that one DM that using "my" old character like that is A. Pathetic and B. Sad, told him he was obsessed with me, and laughed in his face. Because that's what came out of my mouth while listening to that story. Truly, that's fan behavior. Bestieeeee.....
Finally, an example of why the Alignment System is not a useless wishy-washy thing
First one: huh, thought they meant how many people the character killed. Never heard of the number of past partners as a "body count." They did say they were there to kill.
I think this story requires context for how old the players and gm are. A 10 year old doing this is them being dumb kids with no life experiance; a 20 year old doing this is a social disfunction.
We're missing a lot of context and backstory in the second story. If the Paladin seemed (to the OP) to be getting special treatment from the DM prior to this I can see getting upset at him getting such a powerful weapon. I can even see getting upset even without any prior special treatment if the weapon was significantly more powerful than anything anyone had seeing how it was only usable by the one character.
That doesn't justify her dumping coffee on the DM.
Coffee Throw Story. Is it odd that I am more upset by the waste of the NECTAR OF THE GODS by this INFIDEL HEATHEN who angrily TOSSED AWAY THE ELIXIR OF LIFE just because they were upset than anything that was actually said?
Yeah, even I felt regret for wasting good morning juice in a pissy fit.
Maaaaaaybe it's because I don't have much, so I super care about a lot of my clothing- but whether or not the coffee was hot that stuff STAINS. I would have been in tears if I had been drenched in coffee over something so dumb.
Bro, why are there so many stories of these dudes wanting sa and r@pe in there campaigns it's really gross and it makes me worry about what they are upto when away from the table
About the first story: This DM is the reason why DnD has a bad name to everyone, especially for women. Why there are Dm like this A-hole?
Story: About the fighter, I would give her the benefit of the doubt and perhaps she had a bad experience with other players who played paladin before. I mean, after reading and listening TTRPG horror stories about paladins, maybe she was a victim by that class. IDK, I' just speculating.
The third story, I will put that DM in the Ban List to enter the story, and let the other stores know about this DM. We should stop invite those creeps to play DnD.
The last story, I would say to OP, dude, just leave the game, if this really stressing you out too much and the game is no fun anymore, just leave it. No DnD is better than Bad DnD.
A lot of these problems DM/players are walking around like they’ve never gotten punched in the face for their behavior and it shows
First DM sounds like the kind of guy to say "Get woke, go broke" unironically.
6:18 bad doge. we never discuss that system. (love your vids tho)
Interupted Story. Simply put this will probably not end well. Even if PP doesn't realize he is doing it, it is part of his nature and he will continue to do it a lot even if he wants to stop. Which I doubt they actually do. DM is PP best friend, and the DM not even noticing they must ask their own girlfriend to repeat themselves because PP is talking over OP shows, to me at least, that DM and PP see nothing wrong with this behavior. I don't know how this will go down exactly, but I see a high probability that DM will either loose a GF or BF in the near future.
As a travel dragon, I know that I would only join a group with people I know. At least I know what i'm getting into. Shinadigains with friends are the best.
Also Wish Luna a good recovery
I once looked up fatal, and besides just being a weird game it doesn't even look like it's rules were completed.
Now I want to create an incel paladin character.
Old horror dm, sounds like an individual with control issue's.
For Luna
Honestly I feel like all of the "horror stories" have literally only been horror stories because the players are incompatible with each other or the DM. Just haven't found the right people. But it can be tough because not everyone is into D&D
What's the right type of player for a DM harassing others about their body count? lol
@@idr121 Non female type, he can't play with them. Look a group of racists can play fine... with other racists. DnD is for everyone, not just the people you deem worthy. Everyone can get along, just sometimes that means separately just find your group.
@@nickerson1971 Hahahaha ok, hope you've found yours.
I looked up F.A.T.A.L. I shouldn't have did that.
Throwing coffee on someone is assault. If the coffee is hot then it is also battery as there is physical harm! This may vary from state to state but where I live, this is the case. Hope this helps!
Luna looks a bit like my sister's cat, Luna. I wonder if they have a common ancestor.
When i've read body count, i was thinking "Oh no, again some murderhobos players and DM ?"
And in fact, no... It seems way worse.
Yaaaaay... ???
Love how the lock and key analogy is almost exclusively used by dudes with shitty keys
6:09 Too late I already have the PDFs file.
(It's really bad)
I would suggest muting the idiot when it's your time to do something so you don't have to listen to him. Say your piece without feeling like you have to "talk over" him, and then the others will have to deal with needing repeats. If it doesn't get better, leave, even with your bf.
If anyone uses the key analogy to them respond with " ya but your key can't open any locks so it's a shitty key"
A DM that overuses impossible to deal with encounters on their low level party? That's dumb.
Body Count: . . . Simple rule between lovers; we don't kiss and tell.
Coffee Throw: That sounds like an incredibly insecure little person and does not have my sympathy. Besides that... Why paladins? Yeah...but why paladins? (guess the movie reference)
Old Horror DM: Good for the store staff to kick them out... besides him being a manchild... WHY IS HE AND HIS GROUP DO THAT KIND OF SHENANIGANS IN A LOCAL GAME SHOP!?
Run Away: What kind of game is he running? A peasant game? I'm more confused by how the DM felt the need to TEACH instead of hosting the game than the roundabout way of nothing.
Nonsense: Annnd the importance of having a script to default to when players do crazy stuff. Having it at least as a reference would help a lot.
Interrupted: Advice? Tell the DM that even if the Problem Player is his best friend, he gotta put his foot down about the interruptions. It is not fair for the other players that the problem player has a say in almost everything. It is a social game, not a one-man-band show. Don't hassle yer boyfriend, but let him know that if it keeps up, you're going to step away with no plans of returning to that campaign. Also...red flags are not forbidden ju-ju, they are warnings to proceed with caution; so it is okay to show a little favoritism to you, girl! Why? It is ten times better than showing no love or attention AT ALL towards you (because that is social neglect... in a social game... where the biggest spell component in the magic of D&D is VERBAL.)
Re: the "House on Fire" story. Obviously, the DM completely blew it, but I can sympathize. We've all been there -- the party figures out a way to breeze through your scenario, and suddenly you're in damage control mode, trying to improvise some way to make it a challenge for them. It's easy to panic and start grasping at straws, which I suspect is what happened here. If they're a decent DM in general, I would cut them some slack, and maybe recommend they avoid something as open-ended as a heist adventure until they have a little more experience under their belt.
RE "only incels play paladins."
... Lady doesn't know what 'incel' means.
the body count story i swore ive heard the other perspective from the girl
When I play on discord and I feel like I'm not being heard (or more often I just wanna make a comment and not interrupt) I type it out int he Discord chat or Roll20 chat.
What class, and subclass, do you think Luna would be?
Incel is a conjunction word of “Involuntary Celibate,”and it’s often referring to men online who think women are conspiring against them to keep them virgins. It’s a real group with real world consequences (including a shooting.)
That being said, doubt the player the lady is accusing is an incel at all and she was just looking for justifications to judge them for their character choice.
I get the pun he was trying to make (in a cringeworthy manner) but humans are clearly the horny race in D&D and the very existence of Tieflings proves that, along with half elves, half orcs, probably Dragonborn.
Nah dragonborn were made by dragons, it's a whole thing. But I'm sure humans have tried to sleep with them since they arrived.
correct answer: 39 buried, 0 found
Incel is short for "Involuntary Celibate."
Although technically gender neutral, it is usually used to refer to a man who, for whatever reason, is unable to find a girlfriend or sexual partner.
It is most often used as an insult.
So doge knows about F.A.T.A.L...
This one's for you, Luna ❤
this dog model with a human voice and vampire fangs is immediately off putting if im being honest but its cool
The story about the petty revenge dm reminds me of the Alpha Male Furry story from Den of the Drake. Seriously, both guys had the same idea.
by the amount of misogynist and transphobic people that there is I must say that I'm really lucky with my D&D group :/
Wait, so they decided to start a program that revitalizes their downtown area, and that made the rent rise and made the store close? I'm confused
The word of the day is "Gentrification."
It always saddens me when I see a story where one person is harassing another player and NOONE says anything! For the love of all that's holy people if you see someone being harassed speak up!
LUNA YAY!!
If I agree to sexual themes in a game, it doesn't mean I agree to misogyny.
Yeah, no, if he's doing it to the only women there it's doing it on purpose.
To be honest, I thought that was kind of funny. When the DM said the horny race, But then it did kind of get weird when he actually meant like sexually and not because they actually have horns.
❤ to Luna!
Ok, I'm not exactly proud of this, but I have poured coffee on someone for pissing me off but hear me out. It wasn't scalding, it was an iced mocha. I didn't throw it, I poured it in someone's lap. And it wasn't for no reason, but because the creep kept rubbing my calf with her foot after I told her to stop THREE TIMES.
You should be proud of that, as you gave them the most literal cold shoulder possible beyond actually putting ice on theirs. And from the sounds of it, they got the hint at that point.
@@gimok2k5 it was a good mocha tho...
@@AmaryInkawult A sacrifice, but not a wasteful one.
Asking about body count if your not in a relationship with that person or in the process of starting a relationship is cringe. Its personal info that should only be discussed between a couple.
First story, I sort of getting what I meant with that quote, he is implying that she is servient to a man or is public toilet to all, very gross perspective he has there.
Are you from Maryland by any chance? 😂
Dawww pretty Luna
The "horny race" would cause my form so much cringe.
Than add the "I exist to kill specific race" for a story would legit make me go...
Okay time to go. (Still sorry for what happened to her though.)