Declassified Israeli Documents Reveal Dark Truths
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- Опубліковано 4 лис 2023
- Ilan Pappe, professor of history at the University of Exeter and Director of the European Centre for Palestine Studies, joins Sam Seder and Emma Vigeland to discuss the ongoing conflict in Israel and Gaza.
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As a German in Germany this is a hard topic. But Palestinians have my support. Never again means never again to anyone. Antisemitism is not fought well by means of 'unconditional support to Israel' (Chancellor Scholz said we stand with Israel , he did not mention occupation or anything critical😢) . We are brainwashed if we ignore the negative sides of Zionism.
I am glad that Germans like you are speaking up - I am so disappointed by the (official) German stance.
Stimmt die deutschen werden in die Irre geführt durch Medien die allesamt dem Zionismus dienen.
What is the positive side of Zionism?
There is no positive side.
Zionism is a supremacist racist ideology. Nothing positive about it.
Israel doesn't have any right to exist in stolen land, if you want to live by international law and human rights. Otherwise, these terms become void of meaning.
Once you convince yourself you are “chosen” it becomes very easy to justify all sorts of atrocities.
The "chosen" or "favorite" (favoratism) is indicative of a "divide and rule"-strategy, by the outside stronger "divider" which usually has a GEOGRAPHICAL ADVANTAGE for the own country.
@@ralphbernhard1757
I am referring to religious fanaticism, where it is used to justify abhorrent behavior, believing it is a “deity’s will.”
@@seanpatrick1243 Yes, I actually agree.
The original "god" of the Bible, whether one believes in this god or not, was a "divider".
This "god" chose Israelites as "favorites", and these favorites where then given magical powers to get to their "promised land". This "god" even used total war measures to create lebensraum for his favorites, as in Sodom and Gommorha.
Can you follow my drift?
The entire narrative of the Old Testament is that of the "authoritarian god", who used total war measures incl. erasing entire cities, to grant his "favorites" their promised land of "milk and honey".
Damn that's good
Agreed! There are NO 'chosen ones'... only 'self-chosen' R-souls!
The ancestors of the Jews write an anthology of fairy-tales which tells them that they and their descendants are 'god's chosen people'... Surprise, surprise! 🤔
As the mother-in-law of a Native American, I profoundly disagree with Sam's perspective that the colonial settlement of the US is "settled." It's past the "raiding party" phase, but it's not "settled."
So many colonial, imperial and apartheid political entities have established themselves in foreign lands throughout history only to witness different outcomes. The vast majority of them ultimately failed because they couldn’t establish roots necessary for their sustenance. Roman provinces in the Levant, the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem during the crusades, the many European posts in Africa, the European outposts in Hong Kong, Shanghai, and Macao and the Spanish and Portuguese colonies in the new world are few just examples. The latest example is apartheid South Africa. The American example had a different outcome because of the overwhelming superiority of the occupier compared to the occupied. It is time for the occupiers of Palestine to realize this fact and spare us the anguish of this perpetual war what has been going on for a full century and acknowledge that God is not a real-estate agent. Delivering them from bondage of ancient Egypt to the Promised Land doesn’t mean taking lands that belong to others.
Perhaps this helps. The "doctrine of discovery" was a colonial construct that justified the removal of indigenous folks from their ancestral lands, and much more. It declared the land "empty" and ready for discovery. Used widely in the Western hemisphere to justify mistreatment of indigenous folks in Australia, New Zealand, the US and Canada
So sorry
@@bsahmed1I just loved your final sentences. I hope I can use them. Great comment!
Injustices are never settled, never forgotten. Those who try to forget are simply hoping that those who suffered move on. Keep hoping, not everyone buries their head in the sand.
As a survivor of the Israeli occupation of Beirut, thank you for bringing up the subject Sam
I wish it was possible, politically, to be opposed to the appallingly rightwing Israeli government without being branded as antisemitic. U.S. politics does not recognize nuance.
Millions of Israeli citzens are oposed to the Netanyahu govt so it s perfecty possible to be opposed to both Hamas and the Israeli govt
@@larrybxl5406True but still too few are standing up for palestinian rights unfortunately
At this point, it doesn't take nuance. It's quite apparent.
Conflating objection to Israel state policy, and a hatred of all Jewish people, is a propaganda ploy on the part of pro-Zionist Jewish organizations.
Israel is a _state._ Jewish people are people.
Condemning the crimes of the state of Israel is not anti-Jewish people.
Proof? There's many Jewish people who are against the occupation.
@@avenuePadyou'd think that, but the political climate of the US is too cutthroat for even that distinction
I still remember the shock when, decades ago, the favorite historian of Israel's center-left, Benny Morris, emerged from the declassified IDF archives and said, it's true that we committed ethnic cleansing in 1947-48, but it was necessary. ...Truly a watershed moment.
Where did you hear or read that 👀
Water shed as in? Nothing changes.
@@intello8953 "There is no justification for acts of rape. There is no justification for acts of massacre. Those are war crimes. But in certain conditions, expulsion is not a war crime. I don't think that the expulsions of 1948 were war crimes."
"[t]here are circumstances in history that justify ethnic cleansing. I know that this term is completely negative in the discourse of the 21st century, but when the choice is between ethnic cleansing and genocide-the annihilation of your people-I prefer ethnic cleansing." Wikipedia page on Ben Morris
@@intello8953 Probably Ha'aretz. It was big news in Israel, back then.
@@justcommenting4981 In my opinion, it changed Israel for the worse. Many Israelis who had been center-left Nakba-deniers suddenly became center-right Nakba-justifiers.
In 1948 Jews walked into a Palestinian villages pointed guns at the residents told them to get out then moved in.
In 1958 Jews walked into a Palestinian villages pointed guns at the residents told them to get out then moved in.
In 1968 Jews walked into a Palestinian villages pointed guns at the residents told them to get out then moved in.
In 1978 Jews walked into a Palestinian villages pointed guns at the residents told them to get out then moved in.
In 1988 Jews walked into a Palestinian villages pointed guns at the residents told them to get out then moved in.
Today Jews walked into a Palestinian villages pointed guns at the residents told them to get out then moved in.
You forgot they massacred the once they resisted and killed their children
Not to mention the Israelis in charge spoke of the Palestinians as “dogs” in private while glad-handing their “allies” for money the entire time and saying they want “peace” w them.*
*Experience - I worked w Israeli diplomats in their homes for 3 years and quit out of disgust for their racism and what they stand for - in the 1990s. YES, they spoke like this (and worse) in private about Palestinians and I’ve no doubt they still do. Just look at what they’re now saying in public.
Ur Proof : trust me bro
@@arak9735 it's recorded history. Wtf are you on?
And today, those guns are being provided by Israel and Netanyahu.
I have so much deep respect for this man. He has paid a toll for his truth, yet still Speaks the Truth. BRAVO
I have a deep deep appreciation for Sam. Being Jewish, and being taught a history and then being faced with your people lying to you about that history must truly hurt. And i'd even wager that most Jews that are refusing to believe what they know is true now, are doing so because there is shame that comes with it and they dont want to deal with the shame, on a world platform. it sucks but its important that you go through it now so you can help as soon as possible. White americans have still never truly owned slavery, its impact on black americans to this day, and all of the native americans that have basically been pushed out of society altogether. Maybe this sparks that necessary change. keep going Sam
Being a woke leftist trumps any sense of being Jewish for regressive turds like Sam Seder.
I think this comment encapsulates the attitude really well.
I was with you til the slavery bit. Then you went out to left field.
...I started figuring out what the USA really was in high school.
I felt I had been lied to my whole life.
I had been.
I can’t imagine anyone believing religion is the answer knowing what religion did and is still doing.
You would think that Jewish people should have great compassion for Palestinians since they endured a great suffering during the second World War and during the endless pogroms. I was brought as a Dutch guy with the terrible hardships of the Jewish people and I was sympathetic with the Jewish suffering but now I do not understand why Israël and a lot of his Jewish citizens do not have empathy for the suffering of the Palestenians. But now hearing about the indoctrination I have a better understanding of why this is. Although I believe that the fate of the Palestenians is terrible.
The Palestinians want the Jews DEAD. How do you not get that? The charter calls for their extermination, WHY do you woke leftists conveniently just skate right on by that fact?
@BB-xx3dv "Multiple offers of a state" - you must be joking. They were offers that the Israelis knew were horrible & one-sided and they knew would never be accepted. They didn't want them to accept them. What you see happening now is what the end-game has always been for the Israelis.
You’re either not informed or just in denial. Do you realize , when Jews first came to the region , Arabs accepted them with open arms and felt they needed a safe place to live after going through the holocaust etc. it wasn’t until the Brit’s started to allow the Jews to basically have their own state and the Jews started to take land from Arab ppl. This is when the Arabs started disagreeing with what the Brit’s and UN wanted to do. Honestly, if the Jews just moved there and bought their own personal land etc, they all would’ve lived in harmony. Then they got split into 2 territories but in 1948, the Zionists went on a murdering rampage and ethnic cleansing against the arabs and ran 800k of them off and murdering thousands more. Mainly women and children. The Israelis committed the worst of the worst well before there was ever a Hamas or Hezbollah. They didn’t start saying death to Israel until after their families were slaughtered and their homes stolen. Palestinian ppl didn’t just wake up and hate Jews Smdh. They didn’t have that mentality until the Israeli government oppressed them and keep in mind, death to Israel is not the same as death to Jews. Israel as a criminal state has always committed atrocities and never played by the rules. And nobody would ever call them on their shit. They’d shoot Palestinian ppl protesting or imprison Palestinians for no reason at all. I used to be on Israel side until I started to go back and learn the true history of how things got to this point. And sadly, Israel looks worse then the nazis. And the USA funds this oppressive regime smh.
@BB-xx3dvnot the Palestinians, the terrorists wielding the weapons do, these weapons do intimidate the Palestinian people too. People want peace and security and a good live flr their children. Even the revolutionists of the French revolution were met with critizism and later even removed. But as can be seen in Iran, Russia, or the Congo etc. if your leaders don't hesitate to use the weapons they carry against you, the inner criticizer, it's hard to be against them and their plans and solution. There's polls done with everyday Palestinians beflre the 7.10 and the majority doesn't even want Hamas, they want peace.
I remember well the Chirstian Philangist massacre of men, women and children in Palastinian villages in Beirut. This utter genocide was facilitated by IDF troops commanded by Shimone Peres who guarded the exits preventing the escape of those trying to flee for their lives. Enitire families wipedout because all Palestinians were considered potential combatatants or worse the women who will give birth to furture terrorists. Peres lost his command due only to public pressure to hold him accountable for the murders and of couse he was later elected President of Isreal and provoked the early 2000's intifada and ordered subsequent invasions and murder of Palestinians and destruction of their homes as collective punishment.
Do you mean Ariel Sharon?
Yes Ariel “the Tank” Sharon is responsible for the 1983 massacre in Lebanon.
That's the difference between the Palestinians and the Israelis, Israeli citizens protested what their authorities did, Palestinians would CHEER it, as their people did for the October 7th massacre.
It's like putting on israili glasses the n Arabic glasses.. confusing, but the good hearted will be able to see without the lenses ..it's good against evil..ever it is so in this world .blessed are the true peacemakers who serve in battles in the way of compassion for their survival...
@@spauldingsmails7439That is incredibly overgeneralized. But let's say that it were true. What actions should we let that fact inform? I think either side can't be trusted to not commit genocide to the other. The main difference is Israel is better positioned to actually achieve it
Israel has kept the conflict going for decades as cover for stealing more land from Palestinians and creation of more settlements in the West Bank. As a psychologist, when I see apparently abnormal or dysfunctional behavior, I look for the nugget of reward that it achieves. Often the reward is not easily apparent, or even significant considering the level of effort. The taking of Gaza has been the long term goal of Israel for many years. And now in 2023, here we go.
They GAVE the f-ing Gaza Strip to the Palestinians and withdrew from it. Instead of being satisfied, the Jihad loving Palestinians have used it as a launching pad from which to kill Jews. They want the Jews DEAD. How do you woke regressives not get that?
Exactly. They were waiting on an excuse.
Let’s not forget the western influence behind all of what is happening and how the biggest land grabbing countries in the west are invested in getting at the untapped oil and reserves under Gaza .,
Since the blockade of Gaza in 2007, the Israeli government has established de facto control over Gaza’s offshore natural gas reserves. The contractor, British Gas, has since been dealing with the Israeli government, effectively bypassing the Palestinian government regarding exploration and development rights.
@@Ellieempress The British are outright thieves and liars.
American settler-colonialism is also "not a settled matter" here, Sam.
It's definitely not.
NATIVE POWER✊️
Absolutely! I thought the same thing.
To be charitable with him, I think he meant that thats the average americans perspective on the matter (unfortunately). Hes a smart dude Im sure he wouldnt believe the opposite.
I couldn't help but cringe and grit my teeth at that remark. Not a settled matter.
As an Arab Muslim, I too believe in the future that Mr. Pappe outlines as his hope; of a multi-ethnic Palestine. I truly believe that after the oppression that can be reversed is reversed, and the oppression that cannot be reversed is at least halted, that we will have a country in which all ethnicities and religions are celebrated.
I understand that there are those who see the solution of expelling one group or the other as a valid one, but I believe that those notions come from a place of pain and anger. This land and its history is too rich and beautiful for a part of it to be removed altogether.
As two wrongs don't make a right, we must understand that there are many who call Palestine home, and I hope that there will always be a place for anyone to live there in peace and security.
Thank you for doing what you do, and I pray that you find success in bringing truth and conciliation to all.
I was inclined to agree, but then I thought what do the Palestinians want?
@@ohnopleasesayitaintso there are many who believe the same way (from the people I have spoken to) and I hope the younger generations also adopt this view. Believe me, I will protest the expulsion of any peoples from that land. It's important that we stand for what's right, and not stand from a strategic point so that we can "look good" when the dust settles
Then both "sides" must break through the power of the "divide and rule"-setup of the ME, implemented at the end of WW1, and continuing through to today.
Where lines are drawn in the sand, lines also go through the minds of millions of people. It's how "divide and rule" works, and why it is so effective.
*It was "division" in WW1, and it still is "divide and rule" today.*
It's ALWAYS divide and rule if governments defend wrongs against the wishes of its inhabitants.
For the "dividers", the resulting division is always good. They can rule over the fear, the discord, moderare the "finger pointers", and manage the "pointed at" alike.
The "winners"?
It those who send 3.8 billion to fund Israel each year, in Washington DC, almost all of it flowing back to the USA in the form of arms purchases...
It's how "divide and rule" works...
I don’t understand how a 2 state solution can be accepted if the nearly one million jews, that have been allowed to build settlements on Palestinian land, stands. Would Israel be willing to relocate those people? Clearly Israel never wanted, or accepted a 2 state solution as it was originally designated. This is not going to be an easy peace deal. I hope that international pressure, in an effort to prevent further war in the Middle East, prevails. The US must push Israel for a peace deal, that at last gives Palestinians a homeland, or this insanity will not stop, leaving Israel in a constant state of war and insecurity.
That land was never theirs. Yes, they were told where the green line is and they chose to break the law. They need to move those 700,000 Jews back onto their own land. Palestinians will have to move, again, and so Jews will need to move.
They must be forced to leave ALL palestinian land !
Yeah, they gotta move.
alternative to relocation of settlers are imposing a heavy tax, property transfer laws etc.
@@khairulhelmihashim2510 they are going to need some creative solutions like that, for sure.
Professor Pappe is a jewel of understanding.
Thank you Sam & Emma, for having Ilan Pappe on, and discussing these important themes...cutting through the built up mythologies. Ilan Pappe is amazing
Ita funny how mainstream news is not reporting on this at all
It's not. This is how corporate media has been my whole life and I'm 55 years old. If you want actual news and not to be brainwashed into the state's "right think", you need to not watch the corporate propaganda.
Thank you Majority Report for reporting the truth ❤
Him pointing out the lack of compassion should hit home for all the pro Israel ppl
Many of them will accept it as a compliment.
You two, Mr. Pappe and Mr. Seder, deserve my ardent respect and admiration. Thank you for letting equity and morality steer your consciousness and form your viewpoints and ideologies. The world could certainly use more of that in these trying times.
Guy hit the nail on the head. In conversations that I've had, people would argue that not only does the October 7th attack justify everything Israel did prior (including the Al-Aqsa Mosque incident on Ramadan, 2021) but also every they've done after. Even when posed with a hypothetical 250k civilian casualties, some still default to October 7th.
It’s unreal. Most of the people I have debated with about this issue actually try to use the argument that it’s not people that Israel is killing, it’s an ideology… That even the youngest children will grow up to launch rockets, so they must go. How do you argue with that sort of insanity?!
They come with it was ok to bomb Dresden and Co to get rid of Nazis, and it's the same for them now. Except, a) Nazis were the oppressors not the oppressed, and more importantly, it was already controversial back then and would be considered war crimes today. That's why I don't get why it is used as an excuse in disputes.
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After watching your interviews with this gentleman I watched a documentary called
1948: Creation & Catastrophe
It really was so informative. As a therapist I was disgusted by how the Brits allowed traumatized people just liberated from Auschwitz & other camps to be prompted to occupy and ethnically cleanse the Palestinians.
I wonder if you could speak about the trauma the Jewish people suffered~if it made them more inclined to do the things they did to the Palestinians. This by no means says that they had the right to do so. But there is a lesson to be learned here~lessons that cannot be learned from military people.
It was so irresponsible of the BRITs and others in the West to prompt them to occupy an ethically cleanse a Palestinians from their land. Their own trauma was not dealt with.
This is merely and observation from someone who is a mental health professional.
I want us to learn from this.
I thank you so much for your speaking out about it.
This is such a delicate situation. I worry so much about the Palestinians right now every single day. I just feel sick to my stomach. But I also worry about what happens after this . Dear God, I’m terrified about all the horrible things that people do to one another.
some people use the trauma of others as a tool. The trauma of the jews in europe started when zio...ism started. This artificial self image of superiority, made them strangers in the communitues they had lived in for a long time. Suddenly the younger ones acted like little kings, and looked down on old friends as if they were dogpoop,
Then came the war, the cleansing, all planned, all needed to make jews both unliked and chased, AND scared and fearing for their lives, so that they would move.
This trauma was created, not ignored.
It was families like the Rothschilds who betrayed the Jewish people in order to populate their fiefdom.
Lol another true ans so deleted post no doubt.
Dr Gabor Mate, also a mental health professional, whom is a survivor himself of a concentration camp, as well as an ex Zionist, has spoken about this subject.
Have you seen the video of a 95 year old Israeli? He starts off interview trying to say the right things. He was involved in the 1948 war. Then the interviewer shows a video of him speaking to idf soldiers, he was employed to lift their morale, fighting spirit. He says pretty much... we must kill the fathers, the mothers... everyone of them. One news station in the US tried to reveal what an incredible man he is but they never showed his fighting hatred part. Does traumatic suffering excuse those inflicting pain and genocide. This is your field, not mine. But this man surely knew what to say and what not to say, but he got caught. You pose a greak question, answer I don't know. How many broken soldiers came back with ptsd but tried to live a normal life with all that pain, and not lash out, after that war? Perhaps different generational mindset. One thing I would add is why take it out on Palestinians, why not direct your pain and anger against the Germans?
Please don’t think it’s a settled matter because as a Native American I assure you it’s really not a settled matter for the majority of us.
100% agree. That line at the outset was incredibly disappointing. Definitely not settled by a longshot.
He has been one of my favorite guests. Not only did I learn something, but I gained some insight as well. Thank you all for the work that you do during this time.
Thank you Sam Seder for having Ilan Pappe on The Majority Report. I salute Ilan Pappe for being able to get beyond the conditioning of his religion, his culture and his academia. Those forces are very strong forces to keep individuals in lock step with these three: academia, culture and religion. Mr Pappe , to me, is a HERO because he was able to cut through this conditioning and to arrive at the deeper layer of each being...COMPASSION. I am so glad that he and others exist and that you, Sam, and others like you give these voices of insight and compassion, a platform.
Sam, I commend you and your channel for bringing forward facts that are often ignored. Historical context matters and i appreciate your efforts
Call me a dunce, my memory only goes back to Oct 7
Context is what censorship is all about what actually happened is hard to hide, but the why is very flexible.
You’re not a dunce, you’re just lucky to have been born where you were born
@@MarkMayhew you’re a dunce
@@eddawson9617 how do you know where I was born?
Sad to realize that fundamentalist will not accept a truth based on reality😢
"I don't understand well educated Jews even who don't have any compassion to Palestinian suffering." As a Turkish person I can relate as I have seen something similar among my own family members and relatives who live in Turkey. They have this myth of surving and rising out of the ashes of WWI and the consequent wars of liberation against the Greeks and the French. Since then, they taught the following generations that we can only survive if we never allow our country to be dissolved by foreign powers again. Which is why many Turks, to this day, have a deep mistrust and hatred towards our ethnic and religious minorities, especially the Kurds and the Armenians (with latter who survived a Genoc+de but its still being denied.)
As far as I understand, Israel has a similar mindset with the survival of the Holocaust (which is way worse than just surviving WWI of course), so the words "Never again" are more in the context of never being the victim again. So there is deep instilled fear and anger towards "the other" as well, that goes way beyond just dehumanization.
except for one thing. Jews of the z type, they work with whites.. and despise anyone with extra melanin.
When ethioouan jews moved to that country, they were sterilized against their will, and against their knowing at first.. Why? Because isr dont want any dark ones among them. They are super racist.
So, never again the victim, but perpetrating is fine.
I’d rather Israel be like Turkey. At least 20 million Kurds (I forget the exact number) inside Turkey have equal rights, unlike Israel.
@@MyUniqueVibe Equal rights up to a point. They don't have cultural autonomy and they are discriminated against very often. But on the other hand, Kurds have the right of movement, can take every job, can marry someone of any ethnicity, plus Kurds are often very active in our society (at least more open than it used to be.)
@@grmpEqweer thats what they think... and THAT is the problem.
Thank you so much for this interview. It’s quite uplifting to see that voices of reason and humanity still exist even in the darkest times and most dystopian places on earth.
I am pretty sure the indigenous people of this country would argue with you that it is a settled matter here, just sayin'
As a Palestinian I would have to say that the colonial settlement of the states is not settled. Especially not with the indigenous natives. Nothing can ever be settled with a people forever wronged. It passes from generation to generation. I will never forget the families that were massacred and the ongoing ethnic cleansing of my people funded by my tax dollars.. It’snot only sad but heartbreaking.
Yes, I agree 100% That comment from the beginning was extremely disappointing. It's not settled, not by a long shot.
Sam, you are batting a thousand. Thank you so much for your coverage & interviews on the Israel-Hamas atrocities. Historian Pappe is a treasure.
7:54 "You can stop being part of a mistake at any time."
Reconnecting with our basic humanity - - that is what we all need to do. We all have been indoctrinated in one way or another. We must learn to think critically. To tell the truth about our history, even when it’s really difficult and painful to do so. We will never heal any other way.
My guess is that when US/British historians finally get around to writing about the depravity of the own capital cities (empires), the people will rebel. Everything they've been told, is to a large extent distorted by the reality of human nature in the real world, and to which lengths people will go to in order to rule and dominate over others.
The truth of a systemic analyses turns the generally accepted narratives of the "victim/exploiter"-versions of events 180° around.
Because both London, then Washington DC implemented the *"policy of the world"* (quote King Edward VII letter to Theodore Roosevelt) by exploiting their geographical detachment from the rest of the world's countries to their own advantage.
my heart bled for Israelis on October 7th..... but from October 8th my heart bleeds mostly for Palestinians
Because you’re not a logical thinking person. We all feel terribly for civilians… but if civilians are knowingly harboring Hamas terrorists in Palestine. Why have any sympathy?
@@ProtossHyrdaliskDo you think they really have a choice?
@@ProtossHyrdaliskyou are completely illogical. Hamas is in the tunnels underneath. And there has been no poll to see whether the people of Gaza support Hamas after they were elected 20 years ago. And - the children certainly do not support or have anything to do with Hamas. You are a sad case of ignorance and lack of logic.
@@AnnchristinaAlmazanYes? They’ve basically been given a choice of: die by Hamas or die by Israel. Interesting that they’d choose Israel? Perhaps due to the brutality of Hamas on an individual level?
@@ProtossHyrdaliskFirst of all, that's a big IF. Second, war crimes are still war crimes. Third, you have no business talking about logical thinking.
Palestine was multi culture and Jews, Christians and Muslims lived together as equals from 638 to 1948.
Colonial settler state, like the United States; that's the best way to describe it.
❤❤❤ madd love for the Majority Report. Beginning the dialogue of truth is the road to peace.
Illegal settlement s .. in ireland we called them plantations .. modern day colonialism tbh ..
And Israel is arming and training the squatters!
@mariocastro7379 england did same against the Irish for centuries .. did the Irish ever give up ?
In Denmark we call them Greenland and the Faroe Islands.
@@christianmccann9400no but that’s why a lot of Irish folk and those of Irish diaspora who remember their grandparents not being considered white tend to empathize with the Palestinians. English colonialism is why I don’t speak Irish.
@@gingerkid1048 Palestinian and Irish history is so similar. Colonialism was invented and tested in Ireland by the British .. they then exported it to the new colonies like .. India
very very interesting to listen to Prof.Pappe 👍
When you really look at what Jesus was doing in his work, he was basically calling Jews to be more compassionate towards those they judged and those they saw as “other.” Unfortunately that awareness is often lost when we only focus on Christianity’s post-crucifixion interpretations of the remembered events. At its heart, the Jesus story is about the human heart more than it is about theological propositions.
Jesus, peace be upon him, was born in Bethlehem, grew up in Nazareth, and left this world from Jerusalem, all Palestinian towns. He was a Palestinian Jew. Modern day Palestinians are the direct descendants of his people.
@@bsahmed1👍
God, i beg You, Forgive us for our sins! Amen.
God, please, i beg You, Bless us all! Amen.
God, i beg You, Save us and people of Gaza and people of Ukraine and people of Russia! Amen.
Ilan Pappe, and others like him, should be given the power in Israel, to guide it through this insanity. His perspective is the only saving grace to Israel's ultimate survival through this madness.
This is one of the best channels for me. Channel of truth and hope
Thank you for this interview.
Free Palestine!
I loved this, kudos to you Sam fof having prof Pappe on. I've always wondered how a people who have produced some of the world's most renowed thinkers and practitioners of psychotherapy and nueroscience, like Adler, Freud or Frankl, are able to so dangerously compartmentalise and divorce that part of their brain from the ability to truly feel human compassion for people who don't look or pray like them or speak a different language.
Secondly, knowing so much about how the mind works, surely professinal psychologists or psychotherapists of Jewish descent, must know how generational trauma works or what happens when you keep telling someone for decades that they are less than a human being and are not worthy of your care, respect or a basic sense of dignity. What does that kind of maltreatment inculcate in a person, let alone an entire population?
Excellent, insightful conversation
I am an unapologetic orthodox Muslim. A Muslim that believes in the dreaded “shariah”.
This massacre has in some ways hardened my heart towards Israelis. But these brave Israelis and Jews of conscious soften my heart even more.
They serve as role models for us all. To be for justice, even if you are ostracized by your people, is not easy. It’s actually damn hard.
I salute all of you and have committed myself also to the pursuit of justice and to the weak and dispossessed, no matter who or where they are.
It’s impossible to stand for justice universally. There are so many injustices that you will be frozen from acting on any of them or becoming numb and indifferent to them all. So I think it’s ok to be selective. That doesn’t mean you are for injustice elsewhere. But rather you are focusing on what you know, while at the same time offering prayers for everyone. That’s a far cry from people who actively support the persecution of the Palestinians. If you are indifferent, stay on the sidelines. But at the very least, don’t be for oppression anywhere.
THANK YOU PROFESSOR!! Your insight and honesty is VERY MUCH NEEDED IN THIS WORLD
An important contribution to the discussion. Thank You Majority Report for going there......
Thank you Mr Pappe for telling it like it is!
TY Sam! Bibi wants to flatten Gaza for his canal and the resources off the Gaza coast.
It's about juwish lebensraum
@@curtisthomas2670 PURE RACIST ZIONISM, they cohorted with the nazis.
Please consider doing a video on direct democracy
Absolutely! Would LOVE this!
I love your podcast very informative and it’s honest
The hosts as well as Dr PAPPE, you make me cry ( I am a Psychiatrist, and believe me I don’t cry easily) your humanity, compassion and morality just penetrates me right to the heart…you guys make the world a much much better place to live in. It is people like you that I want as my neighbors , I will put my life on the line to defend you.
Sam I respect you even more as I realized you're a Jew. As an Arab speaking about Nakbba brought tears to my eyes, I could feel the sorrow of my ancestors and the atrocities they had to go through. Answering your question the probabilities of the isreali state going democratic and inclusive are slim to nothing. Isreal is managed by warmongers, war, arms, territorial expansion and showing power by murder is in their DNA, in fact Palestine have been multiracial and peaceful almost all of its history. Only when they came and imposed their fascist ideology it became so.
So maybe the Mossad and shin beth did know about a possible hamas attack and reasoned that that would make possible a destroying of hamas and conquer Gaza. Because gow could they have missed this and after all being warned by egypt and the US.
Great interview!
Thank you for vocalizing a problem in that there are many facets to war and we should try to be more compassionate and empathetic to others.
Thanks!
A powerful piece. Thank you for this. And thank you as ever, Prof Pappe, for standing for being a Mensch in the face of increasingly extremist group-think. Your viewpoint and work is so essential.
So interesting. Thank-you good people.
If I may request something; links in the description to the documents you are talking about would be greatly appreciated in the description. I don't know where to look to follow up on this.
You need to keep your questions/opinions short and sharp, Sam, and allow your guests to give their thoughts. Ilan Pappe has the patience of a saint.
1948 the world offered 3 nations and they had the audacity then to offer Argentina, when it was common knowledge the Nazis had retreated in that country. Look at the mentality then and now very different
The history clearly shows the madness that was the founding of the settler occupation state of Israel. The only way forward is a 1 state solution where all within its borders are respected and given equal rights and liberties. Because even now, if the palestenians had a state next to Israel, it would be a very crippled state, even if they got complete independence, on their own, it would take a very long time for them to heq with the state of Israel sat right next to it. They can geopolitically bully it. Israel must change to be more inclusive and tolerant, for things to finally heal, they are the wealthy and powerful ones.
Who in the world? did Argentina agree? Your two sentences read like an enigma.
Thank you Sam and Emma
Some people have a conscience and others don't. For example psychopaths don't have a conscience. Certainly there's a spectrum of this disorder however there seems to be a shift from having a conscience and losing one's conscience. Nearly all children, 98%, prior to the onset of puberty have a conscience. For many the transition takes place during puberty when approx. 40% lose their conscience. Without a conscience there's no intuitive sense of what's right and what's wrong.
I’ve listened to the whole interview. Absolutely brilliant, been popping back to listen to snippets you’ve put up since. Really great work majority report. He’s also been in a great debate alongside mehdi hasan. V Zionists brilliant debate.
Thanks
I like this guy.Leave it to you Sam to bring on a guy not afraid to lay it all out as it is and what it could be when he quoted the youth of Palestine and how in 2023 there is no more room for this brutality any more. I hope the kids get the world they want. All they have to do is stop a crop of old guys from blowing the planet up or capitulating to those who threaten to. Piece of cake.
There is something so sick in this nation. We are
We are psychopathologically ill.
We have so much hate in the United States of America right now. We have so much hate so much. Hate to go around. So many people hating so many different groups of people. I know a lot of people say that Marianne Williamson is Woo woo. But she was always right that the only way to heal this country and other countries and civilizations is to first accept responsibility for the harms done to others in the creation of just the United States of America, and then the apologies, and some kind of reparations, even if they aren’t monetary.
Collective psychosis
Hard truths cut both ways.
Interview of the year for me.
A great man and amazing historian on my favourite show.
Decolonisation is the act of re-humanising the oppressed, who were dehumanised, and the oppressor, who deified themselves. Decolonisation is the only path to humanisation, for all involved.
Very important information...unfortunately most Americans do not have a clue about the history...they are wilfully ignorant.
Kudos to you and your team Sam ..long time follower since Air America and when real journalism is called for the Majority Report delivers the real deal.
I am reminded of this:
"O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allāh, even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives. Whether one is rich or poor, Allāh is more worthy of both. So follow not [personal] inclination, lest you not be just. And if you distort [your testimony] or refuse [to give it], then indeed Allāh is ever, of what you do, Aware."
"There is to be no compulsion in matters of religion." Muslims ignore that part of the Qur'an just like how Christians ignore parts of the Bible they don't like.
You should add Ilan Pappe in the title of this video
Very interesting looking at this all these months later.
Indoctrinated is the perfect description. Some soldiers came to see the truth, once they stepped back for a moment.
Great to listen to Ilan Pappe he is the most important historian of the New Historians. He was able to read the declassified Ben Gurion’s diaries and the documents that show the history.
You should interview Avi Schlaim
Simply a fantastic human...
Absolutely accurate reporting!
Can we also in general talk about how the british really screwed with indigenous peoples around the globe? First it was North America and the South Pacific then Africa and the Arab territories. It's quite remarkable.
Mr pappe is something else.
Sir you will get the recognition you deserve when the day comes.
I heavily disagree with your point, settlers only make it worse.
Considering the ability to vilify Jews who object to the war on Gaza and apartheid, that lack of compassion has deadly potential within Judaism. Zionism is a distinct identity if it others Jews.
Biracial? A major part of the problem is that few have an understanding of the racial term "Semite." The vast majority of the Israeli's and the Palestinians are Semitic.
There is an old saying of a house divided cannot stand or to have built your house on sand ......all this ' talk ' of a two-state solution is but that, talk .... there must come a time for them to come together and consecrate the land over which much blood has been spilled and become one state again as it once was. If that sounds familiar we need only look to ourselves America , our civil war was the same in many ways. Just an observation, if you will . Very similar if you look at it. ✌️ Hallelujah 🙏 Shalom 🙏 and praise Allah 🙏.
Share the truth ppl, this is the least to do against this heinous genocide in Gaza!
I like him he needs to be on cnn fox nbc. Also they are allowing him to talk that’s good interviewing
Yea, right. 😅 Mainstream would never.
He would dismantle all their propaganda, and Israel would still never admit their wrong doings.
Hopefully this would not last forever? Are we already getting numb to this? I feel a real sense of urgency here, a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. Like we're not doing enough.
Eloquently explained.
OOOOOOOHHHHHH.... did he just say we "have the luxury of considering" American colonization and genocide of the Indigenous Americans as a "settled matter"? We should probably have a talk about that...
That's was something else? After all much needed clear facts
It's nice to finally see Emma's name on the heading - sorta. The MR with Sam Seder and Emma Vigeland would be much better. She's earned this.
People started to waking up.
Chazak ve ematz Ilan, I agree with every word!