If I remember correctly, Sidious was quite angry at Tarkin for destroying Alderaan and if he didn't died at the battle of Yavin, Tarkin would have died at the hands of Sidious.
I personally think deep down. He knew it was gonna be blown up the death star anyway. I think that's why he stayed behind. He knew he was gonna be executed. Oh, it's expected at so he decided. He rather died there than to face the emperor himself.
Palpatine decided to get rid of Tarkin after Scariff. He didn't appreciate Tarkin putting his personal power ahead of the Empire by destroying the Data Repository.
@@Eric6761 Vader and Tarkin were equals. Tarkin only had authority over Vader on the Death Star so as to not cause conflict with the crew. Anywhere else, Vader was the voice of Palpatine.
Honestly I think Tarkin's ideology/doctrine of ruling through fear was always very flawed. And it showed greatly when he destroyed Alderaan as well as in Rogue One
The only thing more powerful than fear is anger… when people have nothing to lose fear becomes irrelevant. The threat of fear works only when it’s a threat, once done the trick is complete and no longer of use.
@@Fordo007Right. Ruling through terror also only works when consequences can be avoided by silence and subservience. When you can be punished or executed at random, that terror will only galvanizes people against it.
I think Tarkin (and Sideous) made the same mistake of completely misreading Machievelli - ruling through fear ALONE not only isn't going to work, but it's going to come back and bite HARD. They mucked around; they found out.
Especially since the Empire would have a much easier time claiming that the attack on the Death Star was done in cold blood. In the original canon timeline, even many Imperial loyalists saw the destruction of the Death Star as a retaliation for Alderaan. In this timeline, however, the Rebel attack was blatantly pre-emptive as the station hadn't been publicly used against a populated planet yet.
Just cover up that it had a superlaser and suddenly it looks like a bunch of terrorists attacking a rather exorbitant, but not terribly useful, mobile base.
Not necessary, because Tarkin gladly and proudly announced it to the Galaxy anyways and said anyone who stepped out of line would be executed with this planet destroying weapon. It's why Sidious was so pissed at him, it's why he said that "if he didn't die at yavin then he would've died by my hands." Sidious was furious because the rebellion grew a thousand times bigger thanks to many in the core worlds rebelling against the empire.
Tarkin made sure that other ships in the system were able to escape to spread the word of what happened to Alderran. What was the purpose of blowing up a planet to spread terror ,If no one knew you did it?
What about Vader announcing the destruction of alderaan, due to being disgusted by the destruction and feeling the wound in the force caused by the planets destruction
I always thought that the Death Star's super-laser was way overkill for what would be practical for a mobile battle station. The laser only needs to be powerful enough to destroy heavily shielded capital ships and overpower planetary shields in a siege role, not destroy a planet outright. Destroying whole planets is a waste; Instead you can glass the planet to rid it of unwanted enemies and/or troublesome wildlife, and then either strip mine or build your own base there. A less powerful super laser would cost less resources to build, so you could either make multiple stations with these lasers or use the resources you saved for other purposes.
Two things: 1. The Death Star was never meant to be practical, it was meant to be a weapon of terror, and a deterrent against uprisings via the threat of use against a rebelling planet. Technically, it didn't even have to be used, although a wide-broadcast of its use on an uninhabited planet as a public demonstration would still be needed to solidify its role as a deterrent. 2. Star Wars actually has threats that warrant the use of a true planet buster. The ones that come to mind are worlds overrun by Mnggal-Mnggal, worlds overrun by Giant Amorphous Bantha Breakfast Biscuits (when the blue sauce isn't available, and yes that is a thing), planet-sized Abominors and Vong Worldships. These are all Legends content but I believe the Mnggal-Mnggal might have been ported to canon. If you wanted a practical application of the Death Star's technology, the _Conqueror_ class Star Destroyer would be a good example. It's far less powerful, only capable of cracking a planet's crust or destroying a small moon, but it gets the job done and works well as a long-range artillery ship to boot when fired in lower power modes.
This video shows a very important aspect of Sidious that is often overlooked. Sidious aka Palpatine is a genius politician with about 30 years of experience, taking over and then ruling the galaxy as an emperor. He damn well knows how to play the game
What if Coruscant Civilians stormed the Jedi Temple during Order 66 to help the Jedi? And this happened in all front-lines, the wookies turning on the clones, Syndulla rebels immediately turning on the clones, the Mandalorian uniting against the clones, etc.
What if Hondo Ohnaka foiled Palpatine’s Plans? Hondo has came close on several occasions. My idea is basically Hondo gives Dooku to the Jedi. I hope you guys would like this suggestion.
What if Dooku *became* General Grevious? Right before or during AOTC, Dooku suffers a horrific injury and is put into the same cybernetic suit originally designed for Grevious.
@@boomer310but the ability to use the force wont be too strong and you have to think about his mindset of cybernetics being for pussies so he would probably be conflicted about his new body making him weakee
In hindsight, the DeathStar is a money pit to hide the funds to construct the hidden fleet of Star Destroyers with their own superlasers in Exagol. Also Palpatine already built the DarkSaber which is probably the initial prototype for the Exagol superlasers. With the DeathStar_II had always been a trapped. So instead of a small exhaust port, there's a big gaping hole towards the core of the spacestation. All that extra missing part for the DeathStar_II, the funds for it was used to build the Exagol star destroyers and super star destroyer fleet including the Eclipse class ships.
The Darksaber project was built by Durga the Hutt’s crime family in Kevin J. Anderson’s book Darksaber. That project is entirely EU and has nothing to do with the new canon.
What if the CIS found out it was Yoda on Toydaria at the beginning of the clone wars, and orbitally strike the planet to deal a heavy blow to the jedi so early in the war
Yeah, overall that scenario just seems more likely if the story of A New Hope were to play out in a more realistic fashion rather than for the benefit of narrative shock
@@beansworth5694 I wouldn't say that lack of political savvyness is unrealistic. Fascists are not known to act in a reasonable ways. The Empire is a pretty good representation of fascist regimes when you think about it, especially with the corruption at the highest levels, and the obsession with designing "Wunderwaffen" that are actually more a liability than true assets. They like to project an image of efficiency, but in fact they are completely inept and only owes their successes to the institutions that survived their takeover. They shot themselves in the foot (fortunately) by destroying technological development that they deemed as "jewish science". One of the main reason as to why it is difficult to determine the responsibility for the Holocaust, is that Hitler gave his orders mostly verbally. And those orders tended to contradict themselves. So when two generals or ministers would recieve contradicting orders, they would fight and have to go back to him so he would solve their problem. Typical narcissist behavior, but a terribly inefficient way to administrate a country. The Tarkin Doctrine in SW is a good equivalent to that kind of stupid, obsessed with power mentality.
What if the Jedi gave Anakin and Padme permission to marry after seeing how much of a positive affect she had on Anakin? What if Obi-Wan became Grandmaster?
One correction - the Death Star isn't large enough to cause more than very minute tidal effects, even considering its significantly higher density compared to a natural satelite of the same size. Remember, the DS-1 Battlestation is around 160km across at its largest possible size (some works list it to be as big as 900km but those sources are considered unreliable). This would put it around the size of Uranus's moon Puck. Most moons around this size, in fact, aren't even massive enough to hold a spherical form, and thus wouldn't have enough gravity to cause more than a millimeter or so of tidal differences if the object were in low orbit. The Death Star most likely would only cause about an inch or two of increased tides on a world's oceans at similar distances. At much greater orbital distances, the effects would be negligible.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Death Star's massive gravitational pull was caused not by its mass but by the casual contragravity Star Wars throws around like candy. All of that artificial gravity (or antigravity) confined to such a small area could have a noticeable effect on tides in a bizarre application of the inverse square law.
@@maltheopia It's possible, mainly because we don't know how things like artificial gravity and repulsors work in star wars other than "they use some sort of exotic matter they take from inside the event horizon of a black hole", and that bit of lore is from _Star Wars: Attack of the Clones Incredible Cross-Sections_ so it's legends content. We don't know how far artificial gravity fields or repulsor fields extend beyond the craft or anything like that. It has been observed that artificial gravity fields do "replace" the natural gravity field of an object within their area of influence, though - the Millennium Falcon has often been depicted as flying inverted in atmosphere without any change in the gravitational direction within the ship itself, even though inertial effects still apply.
@@VestedUTuber In the Battle of Yavin, Gold Leader gets shot while above the surface of the Death Star and ends up crashing onto it as if the craft was falling. This strongly implies that the Death Star's gravitational field extends well past where you would expect the Death Star's equipment and personnel to move. While ships like the Millennium Falcon probably do use localized artificial gravity fields, either the Death Star gets its artificial gravity from a uniform field that extends a good deal outside of the station--or the designers of the Death Star are wasteful AF and decide that the thousands of exterior turrets need their own repulsor field for... reasons. Which I wouldn't be surprised for the latter. As mentioned, Star Wars throws around artificial gravity and anti-gravity like candy.
What if Obi Wan turned Darth Vader to the light during the events of Obi Wan? Doing a complete reversal of Vader/Luke scene - after disabling Vader’s suit to the point Vader’s face is revealed, Obi Wan reveals the children are alive. Vader: No. That’s not true! That’s impossible! Obi Wan: Search your feelings Anakin, you know it to be true. Why else would I hide at Tatoonine? Vader/Anakin would clash over this revelation cause what Obi Wan said was true, why else would he hide at the one planet he would be loathed to return to? One of slavery and one where his only relatives live and where his mother is buried. While true those reasons were good reasons for choosing that planet - Obi wan could’ve chosen any number of planets like Yoda had done in exile…watching over the son of his friend and brother where is relatives were meant he told the truth! Then Obi Wan will show him a hologram of Luke in the distance and his growth as an adventurous rogue like his father. Anakin: You said there were two, a sister. Obi Wan: She was adopted by a king and queen, she too is adventurous and head strong like her father. She looks like her mother. Anakin: (by this time all dark side has faded as the pain of the revelation he killed Padme panged with the mention of her) Is it too late? I am I beyond….saving? The lives I took…friends….children… Obi Wan: I do not know…Anakin. But I know someone who may. *holds hand out to Anakin* Shall we find out together?
Vader believed in the will of the Force (going by the novelization), He believed that if the Force did not want something like a Deathstar roaming about the Force would see to its destruction, which ultimately did happen as a design flaw led to a pilot who was strong in the Force exploiting it and destroying the Station.
what if vader went out of his way to make the galaxy a better place in the name of padme and his kids even though he is heavy in the darkside he does it and he actively lies to palptain and successfully trick him into not looking deeper into what if happining in the empire, palpatin eventually has a accident leaving the empire to vader vader also does things like actively sabotage tarkin and his doctrins, takes care of the clones and make sure they are looked after and once he becomes emperor always the jedi to return however they will need to do their job as actually protector of the galaxy or else
Its possible; look at darth vectivus the sith who done no evil. Or even darth marr who was loyal too the sith culture and society. Even in our own reality though history there were many conquered who did evil acts who we can argue in the long run helped their societies even if at the cost of other society’s
I proposed this before, but I will say it again: What if Admiral Yularen joined the Rebel Alliance? Imagine him meeting Luke, telling him about his father during the Clone Wars!
That would be a great what-if! And honestly not an improbable one. In the 2017 Thrawn novel Yularen was angry when the Creekpath operation was mishandled and caused thousands of civilian casualties, saying it reminded him of the worst of the Clone Wars. It's hard to reconcile someone like that with someone who's OK with blowing up planets. One wonders if he viewed the DS more like Palpatine did in this video, as something to deter revolt simply by existing rather than actually using it to blow up worlds, but after Alderaan he was horrified and said screw it, I'm done with this shit and left the station before it was blown up & joined the Rebels.
This was amazing. I’ve been a fan of your videos for a while and it’s always fun to see your interesting SW what if’s. It was also fun to see Darth Vader stopping Tarkin from destroying Alderaan getting shown some love. This is definitely an interesting scenario and it should definitely get shown some more love. Plus I think we can all agree that this is probably one of the most interesting/unique scenarios in SW…but it’s a welcome one. Also if Vader did stop Tarkin from destroying Alderaan…then it would definitely be an interesting opportunity to show another side of his character and make it even more interesting. It was also nice to see Vader standing up to Tarkin getting shown some love, since while he usually never gets the chance to have an opportunity like this so he would like to still show that he’s still a powerful individual and it was a nice change of pace to see him take the initiative and definitely made us all impressed. Plus it was nice to see that part of Anakin still remained in Vader and stay true to himself and wanting to do what was right…afterall it was nice to see him have a solid plan and have Vader have enough of Tarkin’s BS, afterall this was probably the smartest and coolest course of action he could take, so it was nice to see him come up with this plan to shift the power balance of the galaxy, since he knows that there’s still opportunity and hope in the galaxy. Also it’s always nice to see just how determined Vader truly is and how he’s staying true to himself…also this was definitely something Vader would do. Also Vader is still an unstoppable badass. It’s also always nice to see one of the best characters in SW getting shown the love and respect they deserve. Great job as always and I can’t wait to see what you do next. I do have a few ideas for some possible what if’s: 1) What if Rey was a Mandalorian…essentially what if Din Djarin found Rey and took her in as a Foundling. 2) What if Ezra was a Mandalorian…something like how both his parents were Mandalorians who left Mandalore and went to start their own lives (you could still keep most of Ezra’s backstory) and potentially make Ezra and Sabine a couple (since Disney won’t, we have too…#ezrabine4ever. 3) What if Jango Fett and/or Boba Fett Joined the Republic…I think something interesting could happen with this. 4) What if Rey, Finn and Poe went back in time to the Clone Wars…this would make the World Between Worlds even more of an important focal point and I could also see them get along well with Anakin, Ashoka, Rex and the rest of the 501st (it would be fun to see Rey, Finn and Poe join the 501st) I hope these are some amazing ideas for some potential What if’s
I genuinely do like this turn of events, especially since it displays more of the brutal bureaucratic efficiency that makes an edifice like the Galactic Empire such a daunting foe to overcome.
Realistically speaking, it would be extremely unlikely to succeed. The cloning capabilities of the Kaminoans could only create the GAR through the support of corporations like Kuat and Blastech and the funding of Plagueis and Palpatine, as well as the droid forces of the CIS purposefully being prevented from reaching their full potential to keep the war going on long enough to justify the coming of the Empire. Simply put, they would have too little to work with and too many enemies if they tried.
This is one thing I always felt that anakin as Vader should have said something or indeed stopped it. As a general anakin was actually really smart in terms of strategy and public relations. Not much on that last part but he knew that fear can only go so far before it is used against them
What if Anakin met Quinlan Vos on Tatooine (and, perhaps even, discovered that he was a Jedi) before Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Padme ever arrived on the desert planet in The Phantom Menace?
In the national public radio drama vader yells at him that Palpatine should be consulted..but talking cows him by telling him Palpatine gave him a free hand
Palpatine would pull all the strings he could to force it to happen somehow, maybe allowing and directing the CIS to attack specific Republic worlds to foster a sense of fear and urgency within the Senate, that without this army, there would be no other effective way to stop the CIS from doing whatever they want to the Republic.
What if the Death Star turned out to lack the power to destroy a planet, and was found to only be the galaxy's largest and most expensive laser pointer?
This was good but had Palpatine read Luke or Anakin it would've been good for Luke to learn the truth he killed his sister. Or more plausible Palpatine would've used Leia's death as a rallying cry for imperial pride how the noble princess had been brought aboard the station at he own becuze, the station that was just destroyed by insurgents as proof to the great house of alderean what Palpatine said was true
Yeah ngl this what if kind of ignores everything in the original movie. Like seriously Obiwan and Luke don't try to save Leia one of the main acts in the movie and than Palp wouldn't use her death against the rebellion
yeah that kind of bugged me as well. It kinda just got forgotten about and only got brought up so Vader can suddenly swap sides, despite the fact he literally killed his own wife in the 3rd movie and continued to work for Palpatine despite not figuring out the whole "save someone from dying" force trick. I feel like the minute the station got destroyed, Palpatine and the Empire would immediately go "hey the princess of Alderan was on our station for diplomatic reasons and the rebels are to blame for her death. This would cause alot of people to side with the Empire over the Alliance due to the fact of them appearing as more terrorists than as Heroes, and it could have changed the outcome of the entire war It's a good video regardless, I just think it's weird how certain parts were skipped over. I can't comment on characters added in from the tv series that i've not watched, so I wont question if there were any other moffs more suited than the one from Mando. Or why certain characters would be leading the attack on the death star over say any other Rebel leader Also kind of funny that this is probably one of the few theories i've listened to where Han isn't part of the story. Which makes sense, he got paid to take them to Alderan, so he either went back to pay money to Jabba, or he's a slab of carbonite
@@kingwildcat6192000 Alderaan was not destroyed, so when the Falcon arrives it is not captured or taken on board, and thus R2-D2 does not find out that the Princess is on board. There is absolutely no reason for them to try and save her from some place they don't even know she is at. @b-sha2744 The Princess had gone missing long before the first Death Star was destroyed, and the Death Star did not leave Alderaan space. Alderaan had made it public that the Princess was missing, if the Empire had suddenly stated that she was on the Death Star for any reason it would have been clear that she had been kidnapped by the Empire and held against her will.
@@LainK1978 Not true, in the original film they arrive to Alderaan's air space and tried to destroy a Ti fighter before it could reveal they were there and after that got sucked into a tractor beam and couldnt escape. If anything its more likely in this scenario its more like that the death star would of had inspected them since they had the same markings from tatooine. From there Vader also sensed Obiwan.
What if Anakin could control both the Light and Dark sides since when he was just a Padawan? (Let's say, in this Universe, he has some sort of passive for that or something) I think this could be interesting, Anakin could use this to prove the Jedi wrong, give Dooku and Sidious misinformation, surprise the Jedi council member, etc. He wouldn't powerful from the start of course, but would be a lot stronger than his original part.
Day 63 of asking for one of these ideas. 1. What if Jyn Erso survived and went onto fall in love with Luke Skywalker? 2. What if The Sith returned during the High Republic era? 3. What if cal and Merrin had a daughter? 4. What if Bo-Katan and Din Djaran fell in love? 5. What if the Jedi didn't forbit attachments? 6. What if the Yuzhan Vong invaded during the galactic civil war? 7. What if the Yuzhan Vong invaded during the First Order-Resistance war? 8. What if Kylo Ren never destroyed Luke's Jedi order?
The first hint of Vader NOT being purely evil and having some good in him was in Shadows of the Empire (novel between 2nd and 3rd movie) when Prince Xixor spied on the scene from Empire Strikes Back where Vader told Palpatine that Luke would join them or die. Xixor was a master at reading body language and detecting emotions in voice and he noticed a slight hesitation and lack of conviction in Vader's assurance that he would die if not joining them. He knew then and there that Vader had no intention of killing his son. It was great voice acting on the part of James Earl Jones since I noticed that myself when seeing the movie. I think the true first sign of Vader not being purely evil was that he HESITATED for several seconds when Princess Leah was begging him to be merciful and not let Alderaan be destroyed. I think he WANTED to spare that planet and felt trapped because Grand Moff Tarkin, who actually outranked Vader I believe, was angrily glaring at Vader as if daring him to make him lose face by contradicting his order. I think Vader felt trapped because had he done so Tarkin would have reported that act to Palpatine and the emperor would have seen him as a liability and likely would have tortured him to death. When Vader backed up Tarkin and said "Alderaan will be destroyed" there was a slight bit of regret in his tone, like he was not happy about it.
What if Ahsoka Tano trained Gungi on Lothal and gave Sabine needed time to not self loathe? What if Jaro Tapal survived with Cal Kestis? What if Gungi trained Grogu and was officially knighted by GM Luke Skywalker, then becoming one of his first masters or even Jedi Battlemaster?
Not only did Darth Vader never get to work with Dr Aphra, but in the grand scheme of things the lives of Han solo, chewbacca, and Lando Calrissian ended up being pretty meaningless and they died with no True Legacy
So even though they lost. The rebellion would eventually stilĺ win. They still got their democracy in a democratic empire, slaves would be emancipated over time and palpatine and vader are gone. However, the empire crushed the rebellion, instilled imperial patriotism, and was even strong enough to eliminate the final order after the death of palpatine. Well I'd say thats about as neutral as you could get for one of these stories. Great work.
Honestly, I would think that this would result in an outcome far better than what occurred in canon, since due to the patriotism that was instilled in the population, there is a force keeping the galaxy from fracturing akin to what happened to Yugoslavia. In canon, without such a force existing, and with all potential governing bodies being eliminated, that is likely to happen.
What if Sly Moore and Anakin fell in love What if R2 proved to Anakin that Palpatine was manipulating him before the Dreams about padme What if Obi-wan reincarnated in his own young self (dies at deathstar, awakens just after seeing qui gon die)
A part 2 is needed of this timeline where the Vong are given a 'proper' fight by this united Empire. This also might well be my favorite alt. fiction of Star Wars in the original trilogy era. 👏👏👏
There is no 'proper' fight against the Vong. They will have sewn the same if not more distrust among this "Democratic Empire." Further with the weaker state of the Jedi things likely would have went worse.
@@LainK1978 Really? I would've thought that with a United Empire with it's super weapons and Thrawn to boot would give the Vong a greater challenge than the Alliance.
I enjoyed this one a lot, lots of twists & turns in direction yet it all makes sense. Having the Empire survive despite Obi wan, Anakin, Trained Luke was unexpected. Definitely enjoyed the “neutral” ending
this was actually quite nice, i know in the bad batch series that it was all "the new empire is better than the republic" and i'm glad cuz of this simple decision that this statement becomes true :) GO EMPIRE! GO EMPIRE! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EMPIRE!!!!
I have a stupid idea for a crossover what if. What if the Doctor and the Master from Doctor Who, were jedi and sith respectively, meaning the doctor being a jedi and the master a sith
Ruling through fear works, especially when you feel no remorse. The emperor was totally willing to blow up any planet, if it resisted. Core world or rim world didn't matter to him. As a Sith, fear is right in center of his belief system. He wanted an absolute rule.
. It is most unwise to destroy Alderaan. . Unwise? Isn't that the whole point of this Battle Station? No. The point is not senseless destruction. The point is POWER....and Fear. (Slowly raising a hand in Tarkin, but doesn't initiate a Force Choke. Yet). POWER need not be used, to strike FEAR, (sarcastically saying the name)Grand Moff Tarkin. Do you not agree? Tarkin tries to maintain a poker face, but fails, turns away. I...see your point... Lord Vader. Of course, you are correct. Tarkin straightens, gathers himself, strides back to Leia. Well Princess, it appears you owe Lord Vader your life. And the lives of all on your world. Guards take her away. After she is gone. I said nothing of sparing her life. No...but...I had a...feeling it was the right thing to do. . Yes. As do I.
Honestly, Tarkin's death was pretty satisfying, 10/10 would recommend it again. Bet Vader never thought killing Leia would come back to haunt him, I genuinely think if Luke hadn't given him a chance there he would have just grabbed his lightsaber and ended himself right there. Really feel bad for Bail and Breha tho, finding out their daughter was dead probably destroyed them. As fun as it is the many ways Sidious can die, sometimes a good old Duel of the Fates is what is really needed. All in all, a pretty interesting scenario where the Empire wins but it's not completely a terrible thing, specially since the Sith end up dying out and ironically the Jedi actually got the chance to truly return, great story. What if Anakin was the one captured by the Trandoshans instead of Ashoka, and in their attempts to survive and escape he and O-mer accidentally developed a master-student bond that couldn't be undone and neither was the one he has with Ashoka? I'm curious how Anakin would do if he had to care for two padawans simultaneously instead of just one.
27:41 His HAIR??? His hair's not GROWING back! The roots were killed off by the lava. He's been Darth Vader for 20+ years and he's still bald as an egg. His hair is GONE for GOOD!
Makes sense, because Alderaan, while on the list of possible planets to destroy, was also listed as "Consult the Emperor fist." This was because Palpatine would have to turn the Imperial propaganda machine against Alderaan for a few weeks first.
During the phantom menace Qui-gon jinn performed a blood test on anakin, padme and jar jar so that he could find out anakin's midichlorian count. So what if padme's blood was also tested and she was found to be a force senstive as well. With a midichlorian count that rivals mace windu's and was potentially along with anakin a dyad in the force.
If I remember correctly, Sidious was quite angry at Tarkin for destroying Alderaan and if he didn't died at the battle of Yavin, Tarkin would have died at the hands of Sidious.
Yup, palpatine told tarkin to make for coruscant. And afterwards tarkin would be executed. Unknown to tarkin too lmao.
I personally think deep down. He knew it was gonna be blown up the death star anyway. I think that's why he stayed behind. He knew he was gonna be executed. Oh, it's expected at so he decided. He rather died there than to face the emperor himself.
@@thermslusitania1151To quote the Grand Inquisitors, "There are some things far more frightening than death."
I'm pretty sure Palpatine would give Vader permission to Force Choke Tarkin
Palpatine decided to get rid of Tarkin after Scariff.
He didn't appreciate Tarkin putting his personal power ahead of the Empire by destroying the Data Repository.
Canonically, Vader knew destroying Alderaan was a bad idea. So this is a very realistic what-if.
He only allowed because Tarkin outranked him and he didn't wanted to suffer Sidious wrath if Palpatine did wanted Alderaan alive
@@Eric6761 Vader and Tarkin were equals. Tarkin only had authority over Vader on the Death Star so as to not cause conflict with the crew. Anywhere else, Vader was the voice of Palpatine.
@@ronaldnelson6692 No, Tarkin was expressly given authority over Vader they were not equals at the time though they had been in the past.
Vader wasn't technically apart of the galactic military. He was really only there to observe Tarkin and or stop him from trying to preform a coup.
Some people didn't believe a lone X-Wing could destroy the Space Station...
"Proton torpedoes don't melt durasteel exhaust ports!"
Bruh. That 9/11 reference 💀😂
Evidently they do
Honestly I think Tarkin's ideology/doctrine of ruling through fear was always very flawed. And it showed greatly when he destroyed Alderaan as well as in Rogue One
The only thing more powerful than fear is anger… when people have nothing to lose fear becomes irrelevant. The threat of fear works only when it’s a threat, once done the trick is complete and no longer of use.
Tarkin was a damned psycho. A complete sadist.
@@Fordo007Right. Ruling through terror also only works when consequences can be avoided by silence and subservience. When you can be punished or executed at random, that terror will only galvanizes people against it.
that's the point of Star Wars
I think Tarkin (and Sideous) made the same mistake of completely misreading Machievelli - ruling through fear ALONE not only isn't going to work, but it's going to come back and bite HARD.
They mucked around; they found out.
Nah, this is what would happen:
Vader: You heard her, destroy Dantooine
Dantooine: "Tell my story!"
Tarkin would yell “WAIT”
Tarkin:
Vader? Dantooine?! What the hell?! You've been at a cocktail party at my house for Christ's sake!
Vader:
Sorry!
Considering the planet’s destruction only ended up helping the Rebellion in the long run, this What If could benefit the Empire.
Especially since the Empire would have a much easier time claiming that the attack on the Death Star was done in cold blood. In the original canon timeline, even many Imperial loyalists saw the destruction of the Death Star as a retaliation for Alderaan. In this timeline, however, the Rebel attack was blatantly pre-emptive as the station hadn't been publicly used against a populated planet yet.
@@VestedUTuber plus that makes the rebellion look bad for essentially committing mass murder of planetary proportions.
Just cover up that it had a superlaser and suddenly it looks like a bunch of terrorists attacking a rather exorbitant, but not terribly useful, mobile base.
I’m impressed you mentioned Omega being a pilot. As most people wouldn’t know that if the didn’t watch the finale of the Bad Batch.
Wait is she an imperial pilot?
Da skrunkly.
@@vinces8817 REBEL pilot
I didn’t know the Bad Batch ended…..
@@mysticdragonwolf89 The last episode was Season 3 Episode 15: "The Cavalry Has Arrived"
What if leia secretly broadcasted the destruction of alderaan
Not necessary, because Tarkin gladly and proudly announced it to the Galaxy anyways and said anyone who stepped out of line would be executed with this planet destroying weapon. It's why Sidious was so pissed at him, it's why he said that "if he didn't die at yavin then he would've died by my hands." Sidious was furious because the rebellion grew a thousand times bigger thanks to many in the core worlds rebelling against the empire.
Tarkin made sure that other ships in the system were able to escape to spread the word of what happened to Alderran.
What was the purpose of blowing up a planet to spread terror ,If no one knew you did it?
That would be impossible since she was witnessed to it under Imperial custody.
@@XTHHedgehog contact lenses with camera function?
What about Vader announcing the destruction of alderaan, due to being disgusted by the destruction and feeling the wound in the force caused by the planets destruction
You glossed over that 3-year period with Vader and Luke reconnecting and redeeming. That's a whole story right there.
That's the thing, The destruction of the death star was the catalyst to the Original trilogy.
I always thought that the Death Star's super-laser was way overkill for what would be practical for a mobile battle station. The laser only needs to be powerful enough to destroy heavily shielded capital ships and overpower planetary shields in a siege role, not destroy a planet outright. Destroying whole planets is a waste; Instead you can glass the planet to rid it of unwanted enemies and/or troublesome wildlife, and then either strip mine or build your own base there. A less powerful super laser would cost less resources to build, so you could either make multiple stations with these lasers or use the resources you saved for other purposes.
it could control its power level, like how it fired at Scariff only to destroy the military base
Yeah the Death Star without a laser would be like high charity and wouldn’t be easy to blow up without a laser.
Two things:
1. The Death Star was never meant to be practical, it was meant to be a weapon of terror, and a deterrent against uprisings via the threat of use against a rebelling planet. Technically, it didn't even have to be used, although a wide-broadcast of its use on an uninhabited planet as a public demonstration would still be needed to solidify its role as a deterrent.
2. Star Wars actually has threats that warrant the use of a true planet buster. The ones that come to mind are worlds overrun by Mnggal-Mnggal, worlds overrun by Giant Amorphous Bantha Breakfast Biscuits (when the blue sauce isn't available, and yes that is a thing), planet-sized Abominors and Vong Worldships. These are all Legends content but I believe the Mnggal-Mnggal might have been ported to canon.
If you wanted a practical application of the Death Star's technology, the _Conqueror_ class Star Destroyer would be a good example. It's far less powerful, only capable of cracking a planet's crust or destroying a small moon, but it gets the job done and works well as a long-range artillery ship to boot when fired in lower power modes.
@@VestedUTuberCould you explain what the hell is the blue sauce?
@@VestedUTuberWouldn't blowing a planet to smithereens spread it farther, there by playing into the Mnggal Mnggal's "hands"?
Sabine: THATS YOUR DAD!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
Hey Ahsoka do you know who's kid this is.
Luke kills Sabine and Ben, to ensure the cover-up is complete lol.
Dude just hand waved Anakin returning to the light, insted of milking it for an entire season. Respect
This video shows a very important aspect of Sidious that is often overlooked. Sidious aka Palpatine is a genius politician with about 30 years of experience, taking over and then ruling the galaxy as an emperor. He damn well knows how to play the game
What if Coruscant Civilians stormed the Jedi Temple during Order 66 to help the Jedi? And this happened in all front-lines, the wookies turning on the clones, Syndulla rebels immediately turning on the clones, the Mandalorian uniting against the clones, etc.
What if Hondo Ohnaka foiled Palpatine’s Plans? Hondo has came close on several occasions.
My idea is basically Hondo gives Dooku to the Jedi.
I hope you guys would like this suggestion.
I feel like Palpatine would blame dooku not hondo because hondo isn't a jedi or someone who can 1v1 palps dooku should know better
Vader has to give a speech
Vader : the empire is pretty chill
Glad to see Tarkin get his comeuppance
What if the Empire brought galactic leaders onto the Death Star, destroyed a lifeless world or moon, and broadcasted it across the holonet?
Destroying some lifeless planetoid is what they should have done. Alderaan was way too far, even if it was a hotbed for rebellion.
What if Dooku *became* General Grevious? Right before or during AOTC, Dooku suffers a horrific injury and is put into the same cybernetic suit originally designed for Grevious.
So Dooku with a cybernetic body and grievous with the ability to use the force?
Bro is speedrunning Vader
@@boomer310but the ability to use the force wont be too strong and you have to think about his mindset of cybernetics being for pussies so he would probably be conflicted about his new body making him weakee
In hindsight, the DeathStar is a money pit to hide the funds to construct the hidden fleet of Star Destroyers with their own superlasers in Exagol. Also Palpatine already built the DarkSaber which is probably the initial prototype for the Exagol superlasers. With the DeathStar_II had always been a trapped. So instead of a small exhaust port, there's a big gaping hole towards the core of the spacestation. All that extra missing part for the DeathStar_II, the funds for it was used to build the Exagol star destroyers and super star destroyer fleet including the Eclipse class ships.
Palpatine did not build the Darksaber.
The Darksaber project was built by Durga the Hutt’s crime family in Kevin J. Anderson’s book Darksaber. That project is entirely EU and has nothing to do with the new canon.
TFW you remember TROS exists
What if the CIS found out it was Yoda on Toydaria at the beginning of the clone wars, and orbitally strike the planet to deal a heavy blow to the jedi so early in the war
What if Anakin went native and became an honorary Wookiee? Imagine Vader joining the Rebellion to protect Kashyyyk.
“Screw this whole jedi shit” *returns to wookie*
maybe mundi will finally shut up about the droid attack on the wookies
The hell
@@aileenginger3287 you must be new here. This is my least unhinged idea.
What if Vader had a bad ass mustache that even fire can’t beat.
I'm at 1:21 and an alternative title could be "What if Darth Vader was politicaly savvy"
Yeah, overall that scenario just seems more likely if the story of A New Hope were to play out in a more realistic fashion rather than for the benefit of narrative shock
@@beansworth5694 I wouldn't say that lack of political savvyness is unrealistic. Fascists are not known to act in a reasonable ways.
The Empire is a pretty good representation of fascist regimes when you think about it, especially with the corruption at the highest levels, and the obsession with designing "Wunderwaffen" that are actually more a liability than true assets.
They like to project an image of efficiency, but in fact they are completely inept and only owes their successes to the institutions that survived their takeover. They shot themselves in the foot (fortunately) by destroying technological development that they deemed as "jewish science".
One of the main reason as to why it is difficult to determine the responsibility for the Holocaust, is that Hitler gave his orders mostly verbally.
And those orders tended to contradict themselves. So when two generals or ministers would recieve contradicting orders, they would fight and have to go back to him so he would solve their problem. Typical narcissist behavior, but a terribly inefficient way to administrate a country.
The Tarkin Doctrine in SW is a good equivalent to that kind of stupid, obsessed with power mentality.
What if after the Phantom Menace, Jango Fett freed Shmi Skywalker instead of Cliegg Lars freeing Shmi?
Boba and Omega as Anakin’s siblings?
Nice, him or Fenn Rau as Shmi's husband would be interesting! 😁
Why would Jango do that, though? He didn't care about slaves.
@@Elyseonwell he was sold into slavery after the battle of Galladraan, so he might maybe care a little bit?
What if the Jedi gave Anakin and Padme permission to marry after seeing how much of a positive affect she had on Anakin?
What if Obi-Wan became Grandmaster?
One correction - the Death Star isn't large enough to cause more than very minute tidal effects, even considering its significantly higher density compared to a natural satelite of the same size. Remember, the DS-1 Battlestation is around 160km across at its largest possible size (some works list it to be as big as 900km but those sources are considered unreliable). This would put it around the size of Uranus's moon Puck. Most moons around this size, in fact, aren't even massive enough to hold a spherical form, and thus wouldn't have enough gravity to cause more than a millimeter or so of tidal differences if the object were in low orbit. The Death Star most likely would only cause about an inch or two of increased tides on a world's oceans at similar distances. At much greater orbital distances, the effects would be negligible.
The 900 KM is based on the scene where the Executor crashes into DSII, so doesn't apply here
But yes, mostly no effect
@@glauberglousger956 ds II is also larger in the material, so that checks out with ds I being smaller.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Death Star's massive gravitational pull was caused not by its mass but by the casual contragravity Star Wars throws around like candy. All of that artificial gravity (or antigravity) confined to such a small area could have a noticeable effect on tides in a bizarre application of the inverse square law.
@@maltheopia
It's possible, mainly because we don't know how things like artificial gravity and repulsors work in star wars other than "they use some sort of exotic matter they take from inside the event horizon of a black hole", and that bit of lore is from _Star Wars: Attack of the Clones Incredible Cross-Sections_ so it's legends content. We don't know how far artificial gravity fields or repulsor fields extend beyond the craft or anything like that. It has been observed that artificial gravity fields do "replace" the natural gravity field of an object within their area of influence, though - the Millennium Falcon has often been depicted as flying inverted in atmosphere without any change in the gravitational direction within the ship itself, even though inertial effects still apply.
@@VestedUTuber In the Battle of Yavin, Gold Leader gets shot while above the surface of the Death Star and ends up crashing onto it as if the craft was falling. This strongly implies that the Death Star's gravitational field extends well past where you would expect the Death Star's equipment and personnel to move. While ships like the Millennium Falcon probably do use localized artificial gravity fields, either the Death Star gets its artificial gravity from a uniform field that extends a good deal outside of the station--or the designers of the Death Star are wasteful AF and decide that the thousands of exterior turrets need their own repulsor field for... reasons.
Which I wouldn't be surprised for the latter. As mentioned, Star Wars throws around artificial gravity and anti-gravity like candy.
What if Obi Wan turned Darth Vader to the light during the events of Obi Wan?
Doing a complete reversal of Vader/Luke scene - after disabling Vader’s suit to the point Vader’s face is revealed, Obi Wan reveals the children are alive.
Vader: No. That’s not true! That’s impossible!
Obi Wan: Search your feelings Anakin, you know it to be true. Why else would I hide at Tatoonine?
Vader/Anakin would clash over this revelation cause what Obi Wan said was true, why else would he hide at the one planet he would be loathed to return to? One of slavery and one where his only relatives live and where his mother is buried. While true those reasons were good reasons for choosing that planet - Obi wan could’ve chosen any number of planets like Yoda had done in exile…watching over the son of his friend and brother where is relatives were meant he told the truth!
Then Obi Wan will show him a hologram of Luke in the distance and his growth as an adventurous rogue like his father.
Anakin: You said there were two, a sister.
Obi Wan: She was adopted by a king and queen, she too is adventurous and head strong like her father. She looks like her mother.
Anakin: (by this time all dark side has faded as the pain of the revelation he killed Padme panged with the mention of her) Is it too late? I am I beyond….saving? The lives I took…friends….children…
Obi Wan: I do not know…Anakin. But I know someone who may.
*holds hand out to Anakin*
Shall we find out together?
Vader believed in the will of the Force (going by the novelization), He believed that if the Force did not want something like a Deathstar roaming about the Force would see to its destruction, which ultimately did happen as a design flaw led to a pilot who was strong in the Force exploiting it and destroying the Station.
what if vader went out of his way to make the galaxy a better place in the name of padme and his kids even though he is heavy in the darkside he does it and he actively lies to palptain and successfully trick him into not looking deeper into what if happining in the empire, palpatin eventually has a accident leaving the empire to vader
vader also does things like actively sabotage tarkin and his doctrins, takes care of the clones and make sure they are looked after and once he becomes emperor always the jedi to return however they will need to do their job as actually protector of the galaxy or else
Its possible; look at darth vectivus the sith who done no evil. Or even darth marr who was loyal too the sith culture and society. Even in our own reality though history there were many conquered who did evil acts who we can argue in the long run helped their societies even if at the cost of other society’s
I proposed this before, but I will say it again:
What if Admiral Yularen joined the Rebel Alliance?
Imagine him meeting Luke, telling him about his father during the Clone Wars!
That would be a great what-if! And honestly not an improbable one. In the 2017 Thrawn novel Yularen was angry when the Creekpath operation was mishandled and caused thousands of civilian casualties, saying it reminded him of the worst of the Clone Wars. It's hard to reconcile someone like that with someone who's OK with blowing up planets. One wonders if he viewed the DS more like Palpatine did in this video, as something to deter revolt simply by existing rather than actually using it to blow up worlds, but after Alderaan he was horrified and said screw it, I'm done with this shit and left the station before it was blown up & joined the Rebels.
@@CleverUsername1 I agree with that! And I think Yularen would find working with Luke reminiscent of working with Anakin!
Props on scienceing the tides with the arrival of the Death Star
What if everything went right for Palpatine, more right than the canon timeline
What if ppsw rewrote the sequel trilogy ❤
it wouldn't be anything like what we had if he was smart.
We tried telling him this. He actually likes the sequels.
This was amazing. I’ve been a fan of your videos for a while and it’s always fun to see your interesting SW what if’s. It was also fun to see Darth Vader stopping Tarkin from destroying Alderaan getting shown some love. This is definitely an interesting scenario and it should definitely get shown some more love. Plus I think we can all agree that this is probably one of the most interesting/unique scenarios in SW…but it’s a welcome one. Also if Vader did stop Tarkin from destroying Alderaan…then it would definitely be an interesting opportunity to show another side of his character and make it even more interesting. It was also nice to see Vader standing up to Tarkin getting shown some love, since while he usually never gets the chance to have an opportunity like this so he would like to still show that he’s still a powerful individual and it was a nice change of pace to see him take the initiative and definitely made us all impressed. Plus it was nice to see that part of Anakin still remained in Vader and stay true to himself and wanting to do what was right…afterall it was nice to see him have a solid plan and have Vader have enough of Tarkin’s BS, afterall this was probably the smartest and coolest course of action he could take, so it was nice to see him come up with this plan to shift the power balance of the galaxy, since he knows that there’s still opportunity and hope in the galaxy. Also it’s always nice to see just how determined Vader truly is and how he’s staying true to himself…also this was definitely something Vader would do. Also Vader is still an unstoppable badass. It’s also always nice to see one of the best characters in SW getting shown the love and respect they deserve. Great job as always and I can’t wait to see what you do next.
I do have a few ideas for some possible what if’s:
1) What if Rey was a Mandalorian…essentially what if Din Djarin found Rey and took her in as a Foundling.
2) What if Ezra was a Mandalorian…something like how both his parents were Mandalorians who left Mandalore and went to start their own lives (you could still keep most of Ezra’s backstory) and potentially make Ezra and Sabine a couple (since Disney won’t, we have too…#ezrabine4ever.
3) What if Jango Fett and/or Boba Fett Joined the Republic…I think something interesting could happen with this.
4) What if Rey, Finn and Poe went back in time to the Clone Wars…this would make the World Between Worlds even more of an important focal point and I could also see them get along well with Anakin, Ashoka, Rex and the rest of the 501st (it would be fun to see Rey, Finn and Poe join the 501st)
I hope these are some amazing ideas for some potential What if’s
I genuinely do like this turn of events, especially since it displays more of the brutal bureaucratic efficiency that makes an edifice like the Galactic Empire such a daunting foe to overcome.
Liea would have a much better relationship with Anakin
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What if Jango Fett fell in love with Satine?
What if Malgus trained Anakin?
What if anakin refused to attack the jedi but had an inhibitor chip
What if the Kaminoans used the inhibitor chips to take over the galaxy for themselves?
Realistically speaking, it would be extremely unlikely to succeed. The cloning capabilities of the Kaminoans could only create the GAR through the support of corporations like Kuat and Blastech and the funding of Plagueis and Palpatine, as well as the droid forces of the CIS purposefully being prevented from reaching their full potential to keep the war going on long enough to justify the coming of the Empire. Simply put, they would have too little to work with and too many enemies if they tried.
What if Watto was a Sith Lord and NOT Palpatine? 🤔
Vader, "Hey. Hey! Hey! Stop it! Stop it."
Tarkin, "Okay."
Vader, "Okay?"
Tarkin, "Okay."
Vader, "Allright."
that was twisted good
This is one thing I always felt that anakin as Vader should have said something or indeed stopped it. As a general anakin was actually really smart in terms of strategy and public relations. Not much on that last part but he knew that fear can only go so far before it is used against them
What if Anakin met Quinlan Vos on Tatooine (and, perhaps even, discovered that he was a Jedi) before Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Padme ever arrived on the desert planet in The Phantom Menace?
What if Vitiate possessed Palpatine while he was still an apprentice?
Than Vitiate would possessed Anakin
@@Somethingfs-sx1ft yeah its a no brainer really.
You started to lose me at Scariff and Lothal. You lost me completely at Gideon.
What if palparine didn’t kill savage but killed maul. Or what if palpatine killed none of them
What if Luke grew up on Lothal and Ezra was born and raised on Tatttoine
Darth:" Should we do it??"
George: " Hell yeah!"
Darth: "OKi Dokie!"
In the national public radio drama vader yells at him that Palpatine should be consulted..but talking cows him by telling him Palpatine gave him a free hand
That was a wild butterfly effect
This story was interwoven with such detail! I enjoyed it 🎉
What if the Republic refused to pay the Kaminoans for the clone army?
Palpatine would pull all the strings he could to force it to happen somehow, maybe allowing and directing the CIS to attack specific Republic worlds to foster a sense of fear and urgency within the Senate, that without this army, there would be no other effective way to stop the CIS from doing whatever they want to the Republic.
“Then they had Tarkin publicly flogged. Which was rough to see because he was freakin’ old.” Lmao.
1:24 "Tarkin told Vader that Alderaan was infested IN Rebel leaders..." I think that you meant to say "...infested WITH Rebel leaders..."
This makes me wonder, What if Palp trully CARED about HIS empire?
Wow I really loved this story!! You really are an amazing story teller!!
What if Sidious killed Yoda in the Senate Chambers?
What if the Death Star turned out to lack the power to destroy a planet, and was found to only be the galaxy's largest and most expensive laser pointer?
This was good but had Palpatine read Luke or Anakin it would've been good for Luke to learn the truth he killed his sister. Or more plausible Palpatine would've used Leia's death as a rallying cry for imperial pride how the noble princess had been brought aboard the station at he own becuze, the station that was just destroyed by insurgents as proof to the great house of alderean what Palpatine said was true
Yeah ngl this what if kind of ignores everything in the original movie. Like seriously Obiwan and Luke don't try to save Leia one of the main acts in the movie and than Palp wouldn't use her death against the rebellion
yeah that kind of bugged me as well. It kinda just got forgotten about and only got brought up so Vader can suddenly swap sides, despite the fact he literally killed his own wife in the 3rd movie and continued to work for Palpatine despite not figuring out the whole "save someone from dying" force trick.
I feel like the minute the station got destroyed, Palpatine and the Empire would immediately go "hey the princess of Alderan was on our station for diplomatic reasons and the rebels are to blame for her death.
This would cause alot of people to side with the Empire over the Alliance due to the fact of them appearing as more terrorists than as Heroes, and it could have changed the outcome of the entire war
It's a good video regardless, I just think it's weird how certain parts were skipped over.
I can't comment on characters added in from the tv series that i've not watched, so I wont question if there were any other moffs more suited than the one from Mando. Or why certain characters would be leading the attack on the death star over say any other Rebel leader
Also kind of funny that this is probably one of the few theories i've listened to where Han isn't part of the story. Which makes sense, he got paid to take them to Alderan, so he either went back to pay money to Jabba, or he's a slab of carbonite
@@kingwildcat6192000 Alderaan was not destroyed, so when the Falcon arrives it is not captured or taken on board, and thus R2-D2 does not find out that the Princess is on board. There is absolutely no reason for them to try and save her from some place they don't even know she is at.
@b-sha2744 The Princess had gone missing long before the first Death Star was destroyed, and the Death Star did not leave Alderaan space. Alderaan had made it public that the Princess was missing, if the Empire had suddenly stated that she was on the Death Star for any reason it would have been clear that she had been kidnapped by the Empire and held against her will.
@@LainK1978 Not true, in the original film they arrive to Alderaan's air space and tried to destroy a Ti fighter before it could reveal they were there and after that got sucked into a tractor beam and couldnt escape. If anything its more likely in this scenario its more like that the death star would of had inspected them since they had the same markings from tatooine. From there Vader also sensed Obiwan.
When will What If the Sith Empire Returned During the Clone Wars Season 3 commence?
What if Anakin could control both the Light and Dark sides since when he was just a Padawan? (Let's say, in this Universe, he has some sort of passive for that or something) I think this could be interesting, Anakin could use this to prove the Jedi wrong, give Dooku and Sidious misinformation, surprise the Jedi council member, etc.
He wouldn't powerful from the start of course, but would be a lot stronger than his original part.
The “Hello” at the beginning always makes me laugh
Day 63 of asking for one of these ideas.
1. What if Jyn Erso survived and went onto fall in love with Luke Skywalker?
2. What if The Sith returned during the High Republic era?
3. What if cal and Merrin had a daughter?
4. What if Bo-Katan and Din Djaran fell in love?
5. What if the Jedi didn't forbit attachments?
6. What if the Yuzhan Vong invaded during the galactic civil war?
7. What if the Yuzhan Vong invaded during the First Order-Resistance war?
8. What if Kylo Ren never destroyed Luke's Jedi order?
Bo & Din? If I'm not mistaken, she's 10-20 years older than him.
@@AlexSDU And?
The Yuuzhan Vong would have gotten their asses wrecked by the Imperial Navy
The first hint of Vader NOT being purely evil and having some good in him was in Shadows of the Empire (novel between 2nd and 3rd movie) when Prince Xixor spied on the scene from Empire Strikes Back where Vader told Palpatine that Luke would join them or die. Xixor was a master at reading body language and detecting emotions in voice and he noticed a slight hesitation and lack of conviction in Vader's assurance that he would die if not joining them. He knew then and there that Vader had no intention of killing his son. It was great voice acting on the part of James Earl Jones since I noticed that myself when seeing the movie.
I think the true first sign of Vader not being purely evil was that he HESITATED for several seconds when Princess Leah was begging him to be merciful and not let Alderaan be destroyed. I think he WANTED to spare that planet and felt trapped because Grand Moff Tarkin, who actually outranked Vader I believe, was angrily glaring at Vader as if daring him to make him lose face by contradicting his order. I think Vader felt trapped because had he done so Tarkin would have reported that act to Palpatine and the emperor would have seen him as a liability and likely would have tortured him to death. When Vader backed up Tarkin and said "Alderaan will be destroyed" there was a slight bit of regret in his tone, like he was not happy about it.
Man I wanna see it now 😭
It was great
To make this story truly believable and be truly epic, you needed Palpatine to come back as one of his clones and him take his thrown back and rule
15:50 : So they've basically turned from hero to terrorists... ouch...
What if Ahsoka Tano trained Gungi on Lothal and gave Sabine needed time to not self loathe?
What if Jaro Tapal survived with Cal Kestis?
What if Gungi trained Grogu and was officially knighted by GM Luke Skywalker, then becoming one of his first masters or even Jedi Battlemaster?
Not only did Darth Vader never get to work with Dr Aphra, but in the grand scheme of things the lives of Han solo, chewbacca, and Lando Calrissian ended up being pretty meaningless and they died with no True Legacy
Tarkin was Vader's competitor as the Emporer's favorite. He just let Tarkin destroy himself .
The rebellion would have been even more hilariously fucked as their “Remember Alderaan!” political slogan never gets started
What if Sabé and the Handmaidens killed Darth Vader?
Good question. Now that I think about it, that doesn't sound like such a bad idea.
What if omega accidentally used the force to save tech
So even though they lost. The rebellion would eventually stilĺ win. They still got their democracy in a democratic empire, slaves would be emancipated over time and palpatine and vader are gone.
However, the empire crushed the rebellion, instilled imperial patriotism, and was even strong enough to eliminate the final order after the death of palpatine.
Well I'd say thats about as neutral as you could get for one of these stories. Great work.
Honestly, I would think that this would result in an outcome far better than what occurred in canon, since due to the patriotism that was instilled in the population, there is a force keeping the galaxy from fracturing akin to what happened to Yugoslavia. In canon, without such a force existing, and with all potential governing bodies being eliminated, that is likely to happen.
What if Sly Moore and Anakin fell in love
What if R2 proved to Anakin that Palpatine was manipulating him before the Dreams about padme
What if Obi-wan reincarnated in his own young self (dies at deathstar, awakens just after seeing qui gon die)
well done thank you for a great story awesomeness!
I wouldn’t execute Tarkin, rather Palpatine should have demoted the Moff to sector governor
A part 2 is needed of this timeline where the Vong are given a 'proper' fight by this united Empire.
This also might well be my favorite alt. fiction of Star Wars in the original trilogy era. 👏👏👏
There is no 'proper' fight against the Vong. They will have sewn the same if not more distrust among this "Democratic Empire." Further with the weaker state of the Jedi things likely would have went worse.
@@LainK1978 Really? I would've thought that with a United Empire with it's super weapons and Thrawn to boot would give the Vong a greater challenge than the Alliance.
I enjoyed this one a lot, lots of twists & turns in direction yet it all makes sense.
Having the Empire survive despite Obi wan, Anakin, Trained Luke was unexpected. Definitely enjoyed the “neutral” ending
this was actually quite nice, i know in the bad batch series that it was all "the new empire is better than the republic" and i'm glad cuz of this simple decision that this statement becomes true :)
GO EMPIRE! GO EMPIRE! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EMPIRE!!!!
This is the first time I’ve realized that Luke’s Parent died in his arms, both in this fiction and cannon, AND so did Anakin’s.
Thanks!
What if Maul brought Talzan back in the empire era
What if the crew of the death star revolted because they were ordered to destroy alderaan
This this was quite interesting 👌
Alderaan not being destroyed means that the rebellion does not get the support they did normally.
I have a stupid idea for a crossover what if.
What if the Doctor and the Master from Doctor Who, were jedi and sith respectively, meaning the doctor being a jedi and the master a sith
Ruling through fear works, especially when you feel no remorse. The emperor was totally willing to blow up any planet, if it resisted. Core world or rim world didn't matter to him. As a Sith, fear is right in center of his belief system. He wanted an absolute rule.
. It is most unwise to destroy Alderaan. . Unwise? Isn't that the whole point of this Battle Station? No. The point is not senseless destruction. The point is POWER....and Fear. (Slowly raising a hand in Tarkin, but doesn't initiate a Force Choke. Yet). POWER need not be used, to strike FEAR, (sarcastically saying the name)Grand Moff Tarkin. Do you not agree? Tarkin tries to maintain a poker face, but fails, turns away. I...see your point... Lord Vader. Of course, you are correct. Tarkin straightens, gathers himself, strides back to Leia. Well Princess, it appears you owe Lord Vader your life. And the lives of all on your world. Guards take her away. After she is gone. I said nothing of sparing her life. No...but...I had a...feeling it was the right thing to do. . Yes. As do I.
Honestly, Tarkin's death was pretty satisfying, 10/10 would recommend it again.
Bet Vader never thought killing Leia would come back to haunt him, I genuinely think if Luke hadn't given him a chance there he would have just grabbed his lightsaber and ended himself right there. Really feel bad for Bail and Breha tho, finding out their daughter was dead probably destroyed them.
As fun as it is the many ways Sidious can die, sometimes a good old Duel of the Fates is what is really needed.
All in all, a pretty interesting scenario where the Empire wins but it's not completely a terrible thing, specially since the Sith end up dying out and ironically the Jedi actually got the chance to truly return, great story.
What if Anakin was the one captured by the Trandoshans instead of Ashoka, and in their attempts to survive and escape he and O-mer accidentally developed a master-student bond that couldn't be undone and neither was the one he has with Ashoka? I'm curious how Anakin would do if he had to care for two padawans simultaneously instead of just one.
27:41 His HAIR???
His hair's not GROWING back! The roots were killed off by the lava.
He's been Darth Vader for 20+ years and he's still bald as an egg. His hair is GONE for GOOD!
Obiwan: You killed your own daughter. Princess Leia.
Vader: NOOOOOO!
Makes sense, because Alderaan, while on the list of possible planets to destroy, was also listed as "Consult the Emperor fist."
This was because Palpatine would have to turn the Imperial propaganda machine against Alderaan for a few weeks first.
During the phantom menace Qui-gon jinn performed a blood test on anakin, padme and jar jar so that he could find out anakin's midichlorian count. So what if padme's blood was also tested and she was found to be a force senstive as well. With a midichlorian count that rivals mace windu's and was potentially along with anakin a dyad in the force.
Alderan was an expensive asset, blowing up a planet that was in revolt is one thing.
What if Luke and leia were born instead of anakin being born