Years ago, a friend had bought brand new a cheap "Daewoo" car when they first came up for sale in Western Australia. It clocked up many miles as the family car for mum dad and 3 growing kids. Some years later the motor simply cut out in mid drive, and the car coasted to a stop. My friend had it towed home then called a "mobile mechanic" who came and dithered for a bit, and then just said "buy a new engine" and left without even diagnosing the actual breakdown fault. . Thanks for nothing mate ! Talking on the phone from NZ my friend was saying what he'd checked and what had been done, checking fuel and spark etc. I said it sounded like broken cambelt/camchain, but he could see looking through the oil filler (or maybe he'd removed valve cover by then) that valves tappets moving as it was cranking over. He then stripped it down a bit more . Luckily that model was a "non interference" engine. Turns out a round "key" of "shear pin" that keeps the pulley/sprocket (sorry can't remember) had just sheared through. The valves and tappets etc were functioning "sometimes" but the drive gear was slipping at times, so was always massively out of correct timing. Knowing he needed something round to a reasonably high level of accuracy, he went down to the local $2 shop/KingKong whatever the cheapy shop is called near him, and bought a set of normal twist drills. (Normally come in a set, the metric equivalent of what used to be from 1/16th to 1/4 inch). .The theory being they are made of reasonably high quality tool steel, but not too high as to be brittle. Finding a drill with a shank nearly the right size he held it in the vice and cut off the twist drill part with an angle grinder cutoff disc. He then sanded it down slightly with the grinder so it would fit firmly in the keyway. The car was fixed for the cost of buying a cheap set of twist drills and cutting one up.
There are several Ferguson schlepper here just restored Yellow 65, 165, 175, and two 185.. And yes I know how to unlock gears, in fact we know every little piece inside.. Gruss von Costa Rica. Aufwiedershen. Gracias por tomarse su tiempo para dicho video..
175 owner and you just saved me fella my heart sunk when I thought I broke something I’m 27 and just bought this beast I’ve never ran a tractor before so thanks pa
This is a bloody great video!! I love learning about the mechanics of things! You explain it really well! Today I was giving my son his first proper driving lesson. My car is a manual and I was trying to explain about the difference between gears and being in neutral. It's amazing to actually see the mechanics of it all! Kat 😀
Haha!!! “Fergie” now lives at a homesteading friend of ours Honey-bee Farmstead. We do miss her sometimes but her new home makes good use of the grand old lady 🥰
I can remember doing this to a 65 in 1969, the selectors and the end of the shifter are worn from a lot of use. They can also get stuck between gears selecting a forward and reverse gear at same time. Same procedure to get it sorted.
Thank you. I have the same, stuck in reverse problem, and have tried what you showed. I wasn't sure what was supposed to move where, but I didn't unstick it. I think a little jarring, with a screw driver and hammer, might do the trick. I would hate to have to take the whole cover off to fix it, but will, if I have to. I have done the, removing the cover, on a Cub Farmall, which was simple, and the cover and lever were all that had to come off. Different story on the Massey, with the steering box being part of the cover casting, and the hood being bolted to that. Update: I just went out, between rain showers, took the fill cap back off, took a hammer and screw driver and got a little firm with that sliding gear. I am back in business. A sincere, Thank you very much.
Great fix! I love working on the old machines built when things were kept simple. Nowadays it's like everything has a computer system and all sorts of nonsense that actually causes the problems. Ever think of using that tractor to make some Rip Lines on Contour like Ari over at Polyculture Farms? With large tracts of land letting rain just run off, a few Rip Lines could maybe make a lot of difference for you.
I think you're right. We don't actually have the Massey anymore sadly. But we have a narrow bucket we could dig some rip line like trenches. I really like the leaky weirs Ari has done too. Cheers mate, appreciate it.
@@ROCKPILEOffgridHomestead With as sandy as your soil is, you might be better off building One-Rock check dams rather than rip lines. The rain doesn't seem to have any problem getting into the soil when it slows down enough. While Rip Lines might help slow the water and get it into the ground, that's a lot of work. A One-Rock dam would do much the same and allow you to build up soil behind the dam, naturally terracing things. Seems fitting that the Rockpile homestead would use rock piles to reshape the landscape and increase productivity! ua-cam.com/video/hBCUeQbfFgY/v-deo.html
It is my understanding that there is a spring at the back of the shift fork that actuates a locking mechanism that prevents the engagement of 2 gears simultaneously. This spring gets weak through use and causes the shift fork to shift onto the wrong shift rail. To prevent this problem from reoccurring, at some point the spring should be changed. It is better described here: itstillruns.com/massey-ferguson-tractor-stuck-gear-10075898.html
Awesome, thanks for that info mate. I'll keep that in mind if we ever replace the clutch and while it's apart I'll look at a few things like that. Cheers!
Yep, until you get a chance to replace the spring change gears slowly and precisely no trying to fast shift especially from reverse to forward. R to2 or 2 to R if you get my drift and fully depress clutch pedal. I drove my first Massey 65 nearly 60 years ago👍😪
This issue was known enough to warrant a 'fix' in the factory manual involving removing the pin and tapping the cup back into position (the issue is apparently that the cup is forced up over time) and then staking it. Details are sketchy but that is the procedure. If you pull the pin and lift the lever then you can put it back in the reverse fork and then place it back in neutral. I know others are talking hardened steel for the pin but I'd use something softer than the shift lever since pins are easier to find and replace. My manual has these steps listed in group iv section a part 6.
Tried that a good bit today and I thought I had a pretty good amount of force on it. I think it’s stuck in First or second. all gear wheels seem to be turning while MF 135 is running. Any other suggestions? This tractor sat in a field for about year after fatal accident.. only a little rust on a gear or two, but I can’t tell about the shaft being that I put six or seven new gallons in there. Though slowly, the lift does go up and down.
My problem is on 290,I have changed bottom chart on the gear box but now it doesn't allow neutral on high and low gear,it go forward if I put reverse it stack
Thank you so much. You are a good Teacher. That helps a lot.
Glad to help 👍
Thank you my brother from a big mistake of taking it to the shop😢. Piece of cake to do. Again many thanks 🙏
@@StuartBiegel no probs mate 👍
Thank you for sharing that my brother 😊 you saved me from a large repair bill. Thanks again
@@StuartBiegel glad it helped!
To get an exact fit hardened pin I often make them out of a drill bit of the right diameter.
Awesome, thanks for the tip mate 👍
Years ago, a friend had bought brand new a cheap "Daewoo" car when they first came up for sale in Western Australia. It clocked up many miles as the family car for mum dad and 3 growing kids. Some years later the motor simply cut out in mid drive, and the car coasted to a stop. My friend had it towed home then called a "mobile mechanic" who came and dithered for a bit, and then just said "buy a new engine" and left without even diagnosing the actual breakdown fault. . Thanks for nothing mate !
Talking on the phone from NZ my friend was saying what he'd checked and what had been done, checking fuel and spark etc. I said it sounded like broken cambelt/camchain, but he could see looking through the oil filler (or maybe he'd removed valve cover by then) that valves tappets moving as it was cranking over. He then stripped it down a bit more . Luckily that model was a "non interference" engine. Turns out a round "key" of "shear pin" that keeps the pulley/sprocket (sorry can't remember) had just sheared through. The valves and tappets etc were functioning "sometimes" but the drive gear was slipping at times, so was always massively out of correct timing.
Knowing he needed something round to a reasonably high level of accuracy, he went down to the local $2 shop/KingKong whatever the cheapy shop is called near him, and bought a set of normal twist drills. (Normally come in a set, the metric equivalent of what used to be from 1/16th to 1/4 inch). .The theory being they are made of reasonably high quality tool steel, but not too high as to be brittle. Finding a drill with a shank nearly the right size he held it in the vice and cut off the twist drill part with an angle grinder cutoff disc. He then sanded it down slightly with the grinder so it would fit firmly in the keyway. The car was fixed for the cost of buying a cheap set of twist drills and cutting one up.
There are several Ferguson schlepper here just restored Yellow 65, 165, 175, and two 185.. And yes I know how to unlock gears, in fact we know every little piece inside.. Gruss von Costa Rica. Aufwiedershen. Gracias por tomarse su tiempo para dicho video..
You’re welcome, Thankyou for watching
Super, will give it a shot tomorrow after the rain subsides,,,
175 owner and you just saved me fella my heart sunk when I thought I broke something I’m 27 and just bought this beast I’ve never ran a tractor before so thanks pa
Cheers mate, so glad it helped you out on the 175 too! Enjoy the beast 😂
This is a bloody great video!!
I love learning about the mechanics of things! You explain it really well!
Today I was giving my son his first proper driving lesson. My car is a manual and I was trying to explain about the difference between gears and being in neutral. It's amazing to actually see the mechanics of it all!
Kat 😀
Hey I got 1960s Chamberlain 9G. Built to last. I dug out the side of my hill with its called Nigel. Great vid.
Nice work!
Thanks from USA. Prying the large gear foward got 240 going again. It was stuck in R. Saved me time of fighting with it.
Nice work!
Thank you my tractor with jam and I did what you said it got fix
Nice job!
Wow what a beautiful site. Those rocks are to die for and I loved the misty morning. I’m getting toy envy, hubby won’t let me buy bigger toys.
Haha!!! “Fergie” now lives at a homesteading friend of ours Honey-bee Farmstead. We do miss her sometimes but her new home makes good use of the grand old lady 🥰
Thank you from Canada. This happened to me today in reverse and will work on it tomorrow . I have a 1958'ish Massey Ferguson 50.
Let us know how you go! Hope it helps, good luck!
@@ROCKPILEOffgridHomestead Yes it worked great , thanks again.
@@dannytheplumber7394 Awesome! great to hear
Thanks buddy I appreciate it. I got a 1965 65 massey ferguson
My Mf 135 was stuck in the 3 speed. Thank you. Greetings from Uruguay.
Welcome 👍
I can remember doing this to a 65 in 1969, the selectors and the end of the shifter are worn from a lot of use. They can also get stuck between gears selecting a forward and reverse gear at same time. Same procedure to get it sorted.
Cheers for that Pat, appreciate hearing your experience 👍
Thankyou!! That solved the problem. Hardest bit was getting the filler cap off!
Awesome, good one mate. Glad it helped!
This was such a great video, thanks for sharing what you did and how 🤍
Fun fact... that Massey now lives at Honey-bee Farmstead :-)
Thanks Rockpile! Same issue with my MF135. Followed your instruction and worked perfectly. I’m grading again....
Nice work!
Awesome. Great place to start. Thank you
Thank you so much for this help! Our mf35 was stuck in reverse. Greetings from Iceland and thank you again
Aai
You're welcome! Great to hear from someone all the way in Iceland :-)
Thank you. I have the same, stuck in reverse problem, and have tried what you showed. I wasn't sure what was supposed to move where, but I didn't unstick it. I think a little jarring, with a screw driver and hammer, might do the trick. I would hate to have to take the whole cover off to fix it, but will, if I have to. I have done the, removing the cover, on a Cub Farmall, which was simple, and the cover and lever were all that had to come off. Different story on the Massey, with the steering box being part of the cover casting, and the hood being bolted to that. Update: I just went out, between rain showers, took the fill cap back off, took a hammer and screw driver and got a little firm with that sliding gear. I am back in business. A sincere, Thank you very much.
Awesome work!
Great video. Told me what I'm hoping will get mine freed up
Thank you! Let us know if it works 👍
@@ROCKPILEOffgridHomestead
Yes it worked perfectly. Walked out there and had it freed up in seconds. Thanks!
@GravelOverlord that’s awesome mate, thanks for the update!
Great fix! I love working on the old machines built when things were kept simple. Nowadays it's like everything has a computer system and all sorts of nonsense that actually causes the problems.
Ever think of using that tractor to make some Rip Lines on Contour like Ari over at Polyculture Farms? With large tracts of land letting rain just run off, a few Rip Lines could maybe make a lot of difference for you.
I think you're right. We don't actually have the Massey anymore sadly. But we have a narrow bucket we could dig some rip line like trenches. I really like the leaky weirs Ari has done too. Cheers mate, appreciate it.
@@ROCKPILEOffgridHomestead With as sandy as your soil is, you might be better off building One-Rock check dams rather than rip lines. The rain doesn't seem to have any problem getting into the soil when it slows down enough. While Rip Lines might help slow the water and get it into the ground, that's a lot of work. A One-Rock dam would do much the same and allow you to build up soil behind the dam, naturally terracing things.
Seems fitting that the Rockpile homestead would use rock piles to reshape the landscape and increase productivity!
ua-cam.com/video/hBCUeQbfFgY/v-deo.html
Worked for me. Thanks.
Good to hear
Thanks, my was stuck and move the first gear fixed it.
Glad it helped
Thank you I have solved my problem 🙏
It is my understanding that there is a spring at the back of the shift fork that actuates a locking mechanism that prevents the engagement of 2 gears simultaneously. This spring gets weak through use and causes the shift fork to shift onto the wrong shift rail. To prevent this problem from reoccurring, at some point the spring should be changed. It is better described here: itstillruns.com/massey-ferguson-tractor-stuck-gear-10075898.html
Awesome, thanks for that info mate. I'll keep that in mind if we ever replace the clutch and while it's apart I'll look at a few things like that. Cheers!
Yep, until you get a chance to replace the spring change gears slowly and precisely no trying to fast shift especially from reverse to forward. R to2 or 2 to R if you get my drift and fully depress clutch pedal. I drove my first Massey 65 nearly 60 years ago👍😪
Happens about 4 times a year with my old 65, I always make sure it's in neutral before sliding that over.
Good tip!
This issue was known enough to warrant a 'fix' in the factory manual involving removing the pin and tapping the cup back into position (the issue is apparently that the cup is forced up over time) and then staking it. Details are sketchy but that is the procedure. If you pull the pin and lift the lever then you can put it back in the reverse fork and then place it back in neutral. I know others are talking hardened steel for the pin but I'd use something softer than the shift lever since pins are easier to find and replace. My manual has these steps listed in group iv section a part 6.
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Thank you!!!!!
You're most welcome. Hopefully it helped!
@@ROCKPILEOffgridHomestead yes it sure did!! I'm 17 and my papa gave me a 71 massy 150. And she got stuck in reverse haha
Tried that a good bit today and I thought I had a pretty good amount of force on it. I think it’s stuck in First or second. all gear wheels seem to be turning while MF 135 is running. Any other suggestions? This tractor sat in a field for about year after fatal accident.. only a little rust on a gear or two, but I can’t tell about the shaft being that I put six or seven new gallons in there. Though slowly, the lift does go up and down.
MF65 Dieselmatic here in Canada. Followed this video and now she's stuck in first instead of reverse. 😢
Oh no!!! Have you resolved it yet?
Detent on shifter rail is weak or worn out,replace these items,solve problem!!!
My problem is on 290,I have changed bottom chart on the gear box but now it doesn't allow neutral on high and low gear,it go forward if I put reverse it stack
Thank you for sharing that my brother 😊 you saved me from a large repair bill. Thanks again