Hey guys, hope you enjoyed the video. Remember, tier lists are a bit subjective, but I wanted to give my thoughts. I tried to look at 4v4 and 1v1 (on PC) to make an "overall" tier list. I'm well aware people are going to disagree with some of the points on here. Also make sure to check Dogiii's video in the description.
Nice video! I play on Xbox and I'd say your list is pretty close to what I'd say (I'm only basing mine on duels) I'd put zerk, warden, conq, shaolin and shaman in S, and the worst would be pk, shugoki, aramusha and lawbro
@@carterlastname3409 shugoki, if the opponent never attacks first and neither does shugoki eventually the opponent will gb his armor away and they'll have the advantage, so shugoki has to throw attacks and then he runs the risk of being parried
Shugoki rework ideas Named shugokis revenge Instant lights - 50 damage 50ms heavies -100 damage. 100ms charge heavy -666 damage Demons Embrace doesn’t do damage, but instead Shugoki eats the victim whole leaving them trapped in his stomach until the game ends. And Guardbreak throws have infinite throw distance, so they just keep on going, even through walls and the victim can be sent into other maps and even into different games. ALL UNBLOCKABLE ALL UNDODGEABLE NO STAMINA DRAIN AUTO PARRY INFINITE HYPERARMOR ALWAYS IN REVENGE AUTO CONTERGUARDBREAKS Plus he can teleport to allies, enemies, objectives, different maps, different servers, and even different games. So if that light spamming Orochi ragequits you can follow him into Minecraft and steal that bitches diamond
Japan Shizam Nah not good enough he needs 2300 health plus the ability to contact any ubi dev and force them to nerf every other character so they only do 1 damage 2 damage (heavy attack) while any shugoki is present. If two shugoki’s are on enemy teams have the game crash BECAUSE THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
Dimes災冬 nah they can just nerf the fucking developers. And nah b goki gets stronger in a pack. He can go from jumping from different games, to uninstalling games, to shorting out an opponents router, to confronting the opponent in real life.
Ubi should actually do an April Fools thing for one day where every character but Shugoki does 1 damage on every attack whereas Shugoki's lights Insta-kill the enemy.
@@皇甫鹤 why ? And while i can ask a chinese i take my chance. Do you find the wu lin voices in general cliché or not ? Like for me i find Glad, Conq and Warden voices cliché (but so good).
Today i played breach and the enemy team was filled with female tiandi's and everybody just left we couln't stand the screaming.i think female tiandi are meta.
He has really high OOS pressure, OS is really powerful with quick kick, dodge punish grab, a kick into grab which SOME dash attacks counter but not all, 400ms dashes, 300ms lights and 40 damage fairly quick soft feintable unblockable heavies. In DS he is pretty meh tho
@Algye that and his crazy GB punish, his safe kick, his excellent baits, his stupid damage and his broken whiff punish. Good place, not OP, but his slide is only one thing.
This Comment is in memory of all the Wardens who died in the making of this video. As always another great and informative video that's not overly drawn out but still really informative
How dare you place Raider in C Tier , I am a Raider main and I win a lot of duels and I lose even more...Did you ever play the game :D ENJOY THE SALT COMMENTS MATE :D Good video ! Nice to see other people doing this :)
I appreciate what you said about Nuxia's traps. All the videos I see are all about how easy they are to deal with but no one I ever fight can counter them reliably. They're a mechanic that changes the entire game for ONE character and that's tough to deal with.
Tiandi has not range in 4s? Cmon dude, Tiande and Shaolin slide awkwardly towards any targets... i know ppl are asking for nerfs everywhere but i just want sliding characters to not be a thing, its weird, awkward, buggy etc... doesnt look like something that is fine. Also removes the spacing factor from the fight wich is bad, but it wouldnt change much and a hero lile Tiandi that has great movement doesnt need that mess of a slide in order to close the distance... this goes for every hero in the game, not just those two.
I can't agree with that. It would be nice to not deal with it but that would limit the diversity of the characters and if they don't go outside the box of previous characters then, eventually, some will seem and act the same.
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy hahahaha i feel u, its by far one of the worst, its bad mechanics wise and looks wise, i mean, why give a character with a long weapon and leaping moves the downside of spacing? Hahahahhahah keep on skating hah
@@vitorvena I told my brother it's like he is on roller skates when he throws the attack. No foot movement or anything he just fucking slides. Warden, PK, and Valk all have a similar annoying feature but nobody is more annoying than monks with it right now
Lawbringer should not be in B tier, you brought up his bombs, and how you think they nerfed Igneus Umber, they nerfed every bomb he has, they all do less damage, have smaller range and longer activation time when they hit the ground. Everything in his kit other than block shove and long arm in a select few situations such as a 3/4v1 is useless.
@@Sam_Hyde_Apologist yeah meanwhile during those animations the other players can throw heavy galore on you. Nah lb is garbage in anti gank attack animations take way too long no reliable opener you just have to turtle which just isn't fun.
You put Shugoki in D tier? That kind of invalidates this whole list, clearly he's SS+ ultra tier and needed to be nerfed again. FFS Ubi it was just a meme.
In 4v4, Cent is good. He is a really good ganker. Because the indicators dont work really well there, the heavy unblockable into a pin is pretty cancer to face.
So excited for this being a PS+ game this month, releasing tomorrow. I like highlander and kensei, always been a 2h kinda guy and so glad they seem powerful in this game
For Shugoki, make his headbutt not kick the enemy off the engagement range; let it be used in mixups just as Conq's shieldbash. This thing alone could alter Shugoki's playstyle.
shugoki is the best companion in the game :D .. having him near to you, you don't worry about blocking. as he hit hard. i find him very helpful in breach if he was my teammate..
I think you did well for the most part. Nobushi however is a must pick in 2s and 4s, though can be substituted for a kensei sometimes. She has great hitboxes, is a great mid lane hero and most importantly she can cancel her recoveries on most attacks so that she's not punishable. She also has pretty decent feats and feat synergy. She needs a buff in her offense and a nerf in defense, but if you're considering both 1v1 and other game modes at once I'd say she has to be A tier at least.
As a Shinobi main I would like to add that his Anti-Gank and team fight abilities is one of the best in the game since he’s the only one that can throw ranged attacks. Either it’s by stunning enemies out of attacks or by killing enemies trying to retreat or out of range from regular attacks he can keep the pressure up in group fights. Add Yama Uba(which has been nerfed) on top of that and he’ll have surprisingly high survivability
Nobushi is high tier ONLY in group fights. She has absolutely no positives except her hidden stance for duels. And no, just a stance with a dodge property doesn't make her high tier just because she can still attempt to hit the opponent while using it. Her attacks are one of the easiest to parry in the whole game and she has 0 openers with her unblockable kick being one of the easiest unblockables to dodge/punish (slow and predictable compared to other unblockable bashes). Dodge attacks like kensei's are way better than nobushi's hidden stance tbh.
@Metalhead Gaming Exactly. All you can do is soft feint lights which does nothing against someone who knows it. Neutral game is non existant, the moment you try throwing a light from neutral it gets punished heavily. Hidden stance is a punisher that works on guessing, not an opener. (what I'm trying to say is that you won't get any real reaction to your light feints from someone experienced unlike the openers, 50/50's of certain other characters...)
My problems with raider is that when they do a stunning tap and my guard wasn’t up top I just can’t block it. Especially when I go to try and block a heavy but it gets fainted into tap and again I can’t block it no matter how fast I am.
Agreed, right now I think they are the only two that are fundamentally broken. The rest need adjustments, Tiandi and Shaolin need to be more punishable, but those two knights are a nightmare.
Sebastian Durando I wouldn’t say they’re broken. Conq shield bash spam is dumb and conq can turtle extremely well but as long as you mix up your attacks he’s not too bad. As for warden I think he’s a little overrated, yes he’s very good, however, his zone costs hella stamina and isn’t too hard to block his. His crushing counter really isn’t that good. I think the only thing that really makes him really good is his shoulder bash and your ability to feint it into GB. But I don’t know, I feel like everyone has their one very powerful attack, but goki’s just sat there sucking eggs
I mained warden and the only way to be good with him, is to constantly shoulder charge. (thats not how knights do it.) Conq is good, definitely not broken. seriously though, last time i played you could sit down and drink tea while i do my light attacks, fuck warden. (unless they make his attacks slightly faster.
As a rep 34 pure main Nobushi, i can say she is this high on the list because when you meet her in battle she is usually a high rep, and the rarity in which you see her proves she is a hero that requires true mastery, her move set is crazy small, but we fell in love with her early and never changed.
I think I agree with everything except Highlander. His mixups are very strong, but he's so slow and has trouble dealing with pressure in OS. I think he's more A tier.
Highlander in my opinion the strongest hero, but the hardest to master. He is slow but he has 400ms lights and 400ms dodges (in offensive)which means u can doge an Orochis 3 lights. Unless your in console then it’s 10 times harder to master. He is the only hero that can truly adapt to any opponent
That's a good point, and I've seen some deadly Highlanders that play that way. I guess I play on console, so I have trouble doing that, but toeknee was focusing on pc. So, maybe he would be S for pc, but A for console.
This is a much better tier list. Thank you, only things id change is musha in C tier, with the new siege mode his clear potential makes him almost an absolute pick and can be game ending. And highlander down to A just because he is a noob killer but because his attacks are slow af he isnt quite S tier.
All of Aramusha's soft feints are 400 ms now. Which means that it is very hard to react to now that the guard switch bug is fixed. He's still not top tier or anything but I don't think most people have realized that he can now provide at least moderate pressure in 1v1.
The only pressure i got from aramusha in duels was fucking zone spam his attacks are easy to predict and to block even if they are 400 ms you can easly go for a parry a lot
@@noxin473 well that's the point. You have to predict which way he feints. If you guess wrong then you risk eating a light and you're back at square one or worse, you risk eating the full finisher.
And you acc shugoki main after the rework because psn gives you the game for free and so you don't understand how is he d tier when soft feint heavy gb to wall demon's embrace and repeat kills anyone in 7 seconds
Finally some acknowledgment for my girl the pk. Everyone's cries really shafted her expecially in comparison to the other reworks she got a complete damage nerf meanwhile wu Lin, kensei, and conq exists
The thing with Zerk is he becomes almost useless when you're against someone with really good reflexes, because of his lack of directionless unblockable. Other S tiers like Warden, Shaolin, Conq and Highlanders all have faintable directionless attacks, which makes them so much more viable on high level plays because even reflexes aren't enough if the player changes up his attacks often enough, while with zerk, all you have to expect are blockable/parryable attacks.
I can agree with this list, the main character i agree with is tiandi, without his lights he is terrible, and as a shugoki main im offended: ( But its tru tho sad but tru... All you players who doubting the thiccness will regret it when we get our rework im telling ubi that your hating on us :( lol but i really hope shugoki gets one of the most broken reworks, i won't even be mad about losing to one, us shugoki mains really deserve it tbh i think we needed it more then the first characters that got a rework and 2nd is lawdaddy, us thicc bois and lawbros gotta stick together... We get stuff in common well we both like throwimg people over our shoulder XD lol
Bruh just take kensei's unblockable feat and give it to shugoki. Shugoki's attacks are slow anyways so it's no big deal, kensei used to as well but now his attacks are fast as hell and doesn't make sense to have that feat(on console especially)
In my opinion, Highlander is actually B tier in duels because more than half of the cast can just dodge attack from kick to grab, also if you stay up in hes face there isn't much he can do, and hes hyper armor comes to late and hes defencive stance is useless.
have you considered not spamming his kick-grab like an idiot and using his neutral 400ms lights with hidden startup, his 200ms wavedash dodge recovery into 40 damage punishes, his 3-option soft feints from unblockable heavies or his bait potential with his OS? no? you wouldn't be saying that otherwise then, because his neutral game is incredible
@@Doublejho come on nobody gets caught by the heavy soft feints into kick an if you soft feint this kick into grab your stamina is gone or the guy you're facing is just going to light you out of OS. Also consider the wulin with all their undodgeables wich make dodging into kick less safe than before
@@mrconnacht3017 alternatively, soft feint heavy into grab or light, both of these work feinting into defensive stance to parry lights is what any good HL will do too, so idk why you're still thinking of kick do you just play with his kick and that's why you have such a low opinion of him?
@@Doublejho No i don't just play with the kick and I don't have a low opinion of him I would put him in A tier as I said previously. Also the OS feint into light parry is up to the player not the character itself like any hard feints
As someone who played Highlander day one of release. I remember when Highlander was a D hero I was so happy they fixed the Highlander's kit. Now if only they could improve on it because the Highlander does need some shine here and there.
also ppl seem to noy know that a light parry for cent u can get a full charged heavy i been testing it and can confirm. idk if thats just for console or something but yea
With all due respect, this list has a lot of issues, all branching from one main problem: S-tier isn’t reserved for heroes who are “good and viable” it’s actually designed for broken characters who actually need a serious adjustment in balance. You put a character like Kensei in the same level as someone as exceptionally broken as Conq. Kensei doesn’t need any balance adjustment, he’s fantastically designed and fits nearly flawlessly into the balance department. Conquerer is broken in almost all balance senses, and doesn’t deserve to be in the same tier as Kensei. Furthermore, Valkyrie is A tier because while everything is reactable, she can mindgame a lot of people in duels. The point of the character is to mindgame people. Also, her bash isn’t actually reactable. At 500ms, and a somewhat variable timing, it isn’t hard to be unpredictable with it. The sweep requires you to program people into certain actions. I regularly land the sweep on very skilled players, including some of the best players on Xbox, you just need to make them think you’re doing something else. Then again, I’m a console player. I don’t think that directly effects her mindgames, because a lot of her stuff is somewhat reactable on console, hence why I’m contesting that. Nobushi also has some of the greatest defensive option selects in 1v1. I don’t think it bumps her out of B tier, but she’s a lot better than you think.
I came to this video bc I got For Honor free from PlayStation plus eventhough this video is for PC and it's been 3 months since the video originally came out can I still use it as a reference
@@zee2826 i love him I know some people might think that he is to op but if you use him right and you don't spam then you're good and if you can parry then the enemy is in trouble
@@Volroomste_melk I dont think I`ve ever heard anybody Rep 5 or higher say Centurion is OP. He is a Noob Punisher, a nightmare for noobs, outside of that, especially on PC he is almost useless.
leonardo clemente nunez can you explain how he is good? I find him easy to fight, but i dont see many. They usually just do side, top, side, top, top heavy feint.
Dominic Brunsmeier I personally main him(he’s like my third main) but I say he’s middle B tier due to the fact that the lunging top heavy attack gains hyper and is perfect for when you need to do a trade. His deadly fients are well deadly and even make someone go for a parry if you hard feint it. Now if you fine him ez to fight nice. But personally I think it really comes down to if the opponent turtles or not.
I played the orochi and I think it is limited by not having any unblockables outside of it’s deflect counters. However, if your play style is deflect king or queen then it could be punishing.
How in the hell is Warlord A tier? I've mained him since the beta and he used to be A, but after they nuked him I'd say he's lower B at the very best. He's so slow and predictable, doesn't get good damage, and has one of the smallest movesets in the game. The only really good thing he has is his charge, which you mentioned, bur I don't think that cheese charging strat warrants him being put in A tier
@@Korow- I can see where you're coming from but glads zone is alot different from a charge thats easily dogeable that you have to wallbang or ledge someone with to get damage off of. Not to mention if they do dodge it, they get a punish, especially if they have a dodge attack. So it pretty much automatically doesn't work against any assassin, kensei, and valk
Yea Shaolin have huge diverse kit, but I think many people judge him by just looking at it, not realizing he have hard time utilizing it. Safest way is to whiff an atack, which puts you out of reach (although the heavy jump has some nice distance)
Why is LB not below shugoki, shugoki has Hyperarmor. I do think shugoki is bad but If LB impaling charges Goki he armors through free GB. If LB long arms Goki armors through. Also LB doesnt have light chains so he gets caught by Gokis light headbut
This has to be the dumbest reason for lb to be worse than shugoki. Shugoki has everything lb has but without the shove on block option. His hyper armour is shit, waaaay to easy to take down just from a gb. He has nothing. Lawbringer at least has one of the best defensive tools in the game.
Shugoki has 0 pressure ever, just backdash whenever you see any indicator that isn't GB and you'll never get touched. And then if you get him out of hyper armour stance he takes extra damage because reasons :) Just turtle Shugoki and wait for a light -> Parry -> Punish -> Repeat.
@@egggnog_176 Ye that's why he can't feint anything into GB either. Like at least characters like Aramusha and Lawbro can get chip, Shugo don't even get that lmao
imo Highlander is only decent against characters who don't have undodgeable attacks. since basically the entire Wu Lin faction and a good portion of the cast have this, he's hot garbage in duels. He also has the Shugoki problem where he can't effectively anti-gank in 4's. He's godly at ganking, trash at dealing with ganks.
Exactly, zerker and orochi's neutral dodge attacks are really easy to parry, shaolin needs to go into qi stance to do his undodgeables, and warlord into full block. Tiandi is better since he has 500 ms undodgeables, but even if you can't parry them reliably, blocking those is as easy as blocking against a warden, you just have to exit offensive stance.
You can actually counter the Wu Lin dodges by doing Celtic Curse, it typically works when I do it but I’m an Xbox player. Also, he’s meh in duels, it really depends on reading your opponent. I notice that when I play highlander (he’s my third most played character, first being Warden and second being centurion) typically S tier characters like to think they can just avoid his attacks but making good use of offensive form makes him easily more viable, especially if you can flow between defensive and offensive.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy your content, but I can't agree that Shinobi is A tier. ( I know I'm going to get backlash but listen) I agree his tackle is annoying, his long range guard break is stupid. However, the rest of his kit is so predictable in high level gameplay in Dominion and in duel. All his long range attacks are garbage in fights, it's far too predictable and punishing. I feel like he's just being neglected due to community hate. My idea is to change his long range moveset. First, remove his LR guard break, second change his LR attack and give a feint option for the first throw, and either make them light input with decreased dmg OR remove the knockdown punish. Why does any parry of a heavy input result in a heavy+ punish combo from other characters? And overall decrease his dmg, he's an assassin, faster attacks, decreased dmg. Sorry for ranting lol, and congratulations for reading, keep up the great content ✌️
MovingOctoPictures. Ink I agree but another thing is this list has some issues I don’t agree shaman is A tier and cent and lawbringer should be above nobu in my opinion bc I’ve faced some amazing law bringers and cents and they reck , also vaylk should be A tier this season she absolutely destroys
@@ghostgamingxd7881 I think Cent and Law have better OOS pressure than Nobu, so in that aspect yes, but they are far too predictable, it's all bash mix-ups, like a 50-50 guessing game that makes it challenging/frustrating..lol
Only true shinobi mains can understand this... Heard of things like : quad dash, smoke less dash, baiting attack by fake kick or light attack or just double dodge and guardbreak? He isnt about throwing random ranged attacks in duels you play him diffrent in 4v4 and in duels
@@noxin473 most of that is OOS pressure, the quad dash is his greatest tool but it's still a reasonable and moderate bash, his light attacks are on par, if not worse than orochi's too. It's really depending on your strengths, and it's the fact that Shinobi can't even use ranged attacks in any situation to begin with, so why is it even there, you can't neglect half the kit. Light spam is boring and cheese.
as someone who has fought multiple rep 60, max refined shinobi players in ranked (diamond 4) as of late, there is absolutely nothing you can do against a good shinobi his turtle game is way too strong, with his dodges and backflips being an amazing way to avoid mixups altogether (backflip can even net him damage if they try to gb him or just whiff their attack) and his per-instance damage is retardedly high, a lot of characters would need to hit two heavies just to deal more than one of his with ghouls rage only reason way to deal with shinobi is to play LIKE shinobi, and a lot of chars just cannot do that effectively he's also solid against the majority of the s-tiers, nullfying their bash-based mixups pretty easily while reducing their opportunities to deal damage to pitiful levels only reason i wouldn't drop him in s-tier is his lack of a solid opener lmao
Lol he can win against players with amazing reaction. Delayed lights are reaching top 5% of reaction time. His rush is almost unreactable. That was proven in an analyses. All of his attacks almost have an guarantee follow up. The only reason he isn't A. Is because of his guard. aka being an assassin
@@starcow17 Link ? becouse u know u talk BS. U can just light or heavy his storm rush. if u try to parry it its ur own dam fault. He cant use his Dodge attack its a save parry for every good player. All he has left are his Lights..... If u get 100 to 0 by lights whitout getting some parrys its honestly that he is better than u
Dragonfly Montage if the dude has bad connection. Otherwise orochi isn't that bad because you just pick an unblockable bash spam character (conq or warden) and shut him down by being hyper agressive with your 50/50 mind games. Or you just simply out cheese him with Berserker because 400 ms lights ontop of an infinite ontop of 1 of, if not, the best feint game in the game, ontop of hyper armor, and an unblockable. Oh and zerker's dash attack is faster than rochi's and had a better deflect.
As a Kensei main since day 1 (console), I'm surprised that you put him at S- tier. I second your assessment on him in 4v4's and 1v1. Now for my only other character used, Aramusha; he can be S-tier if they up the reaction time of his blade blockade. But as of now with the last re-work (patch v2.02.1), he's not as good but still fun to use :D.
@@steel2572 don't choose your character based off this list. Cause I play aramusha and think he is amazing but that's my opinion and I just learned how to use my character to it's best ability
I do think that Blade Blockade does shine through in 4v4’s in denying chains and mixups, his short range does make his anti-gank chances suffer but it’s not impossible to so. However what he does suck at is ganking because an Aramusha’s mixups are completely null and void against external blocking, coupled with the fact that he has no unblockable openers or attacks besides his zone means that he just stinks at helping teammates. But I do stand that there’s quite a lot more merit to his all-guard than meets the eye just because of how fast it can come out and just deny spam or difficult mixups.
Berg Electron but you can trigger Blade Blockade by attacks from your teammates so just go to your buddy and wait for them to attack so you can slap the enemy
In a 1v1 who do you all think is the objectively strongest hero (I.e most favorable matchups, best mix ups that kinda stuff) because I think conqueror has insane defensive and offensive capabilities but my brother is dead set on berserker being the strongest duelist
I'd say LB is C tier (his bombs aren't good enough to justify B tier and the character has no openers), Valk is A tier (mobility, range, shield charge as good as conq, crushing counters, etc.), and Shaman is S tier (Don't feel like I need to explain, but she's got mobility, crazy damage, and so many mix-ups it's impossible to guess where she'll attack from half the time) Overall good list, very well informed
Kinda agree with nobu being in B for duels, but only for the defense side of HS. You can't rely on the offensive tools from it at all on PC as they are reactable.
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Hey guys, hope you enjoyed the video. Remember, tier lists are a bit subjective, but I wanted to give my thoughts. I tried to look at 4v4 and 1v1 (on PC) to make an "overall" tier list. I'm well aware people are going to disagree with some of the points on here. Also make sure to check Dogiii's video in the description.
I enjoyed it
Nice video!
I play on Xbox and I'd say your list is pretty close to what I'd say (I'm only basing mine on duels) I'd put zerk, warden, conq, shaolin and shaman in S, and the worst would be pk, shugoki, aramusha and lawbro
Who would you consider worse shugo or arumusha
@@carterlastname3409 shugoki, if the opponent never attacks first and neither does shugoki eventually the opponent will gb his armor away and they'll have the advantage, so shugoki has to throw attacks and then he runs the risk of being parried
Gaming is fun ok thanks
It's crazy how all these characters have these crazy weapons and armor and look badass but they can all be dominated by a bald guy with a broom stick
Stick are strong
stronk stic
and that he can block your giant raider axe with his bare hands
@@cykacat4196 it's his metal bracers
Lawbringer is fit, fully armored from head to toe, have the most versatile weapon
Is a low tier and only uses that weapon for pushin people
Shugoki rework ideas
Named shugokis revenge
Instant lights - 50 damage
50ms heavies -100 damage.
100ms charge heavy -666 damage
Demons Embrace doesn’t do damage, but instead Shugoki eats the victim whole leaving them trapped in his stomach until the game ends.
And Guardbreak throws have infinite throw distance, so they just keep on going, even through walls and the victim can be sent into other maps and even into different games.
ALL UNBLOCKABLE
ALL UNDODGEABLE
NO STAMINA DRAIN
AUTO PARRY
INFINITE HYPERARMOR
ALWAYS IN REVENGE
AUTO CONTERGUARDBREAKS
Plus he can teleport to allies, enemies, objectives, different maps, different servers, and even different games. So if that light spamming Orochi ragequits you can follow him into Minecraft and steal that bitches diamond
Japan Shizam Nah not good enough he needs 2300 health plus the ability to contact any ubi dev and force them to nerf every other character so they only do 1 damage 2 damage (heavy attack) while any shugoki is present. If two shugoki’s are on enemy teams have the game crash BECAUSE THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE
Dimes災冬 nah they can just nerf the fucking developers. And nah b goki gets stronger in a pack. He can go from jumping from different games, to uninstalling games, to shorting out an opponents router, to confronting the opponent in real life.
He would still be too weak
I can get behind this
Ubi should actually do an April Fools thing for one day where every character but Shugoki does 1 damage on every attack whereas Shugoki's lights Insta-kill the enemy.
Can we nerf fem Tiandi's voice...
P L E A S E
Maybe it pleases chinese players to hear a woman screaming at them...reminds them of home maybe?
as chinese，we also don’t like tiandi ‘s voice
@@皇甫鹤 why ? And while i can ask a chinese i take my chance. Do you find the wu lin voices in general cliché or not ? Like for me i find Glad, Conq and Warden voices cliché (but so good).
@@romainrondeau4242 Chinese here and Female Tiandi is annoying as fuck.....
Lawbringer with a cape is S+ tier
Shugoki with exposed chest is S++ then dude
its the only reason why i started playing lawdaddy
You can make him look like a kingsguard from Game Of Thrones
Pk with exposed face are SS
Yeah!
D for dominant right? Right....?
why are you here
Shugo should be thicc tier
Yeah prince... Sure
I guess
D for bad
Lmao get good Tony obviously shugoki is S tier that's why they keep nerfing him.
I get the joke but I hate how ubi just fucking curbstomps him all the fuckin time
@@egg4548 straight down the drain
Shugoki mains need to start a riot
Caiden Cockrell wtf he is actually good u just need to know how to use him
@@subscriberswithnovideo-vk7gr Ha good joke
Who's here after psn gave for honor for free?
Me and AM maining conqueror without even knowing he was s tier
ME
Sadeshking me, i am bringin the law
@@efestus5 hows conqeror
@@mynameisnotshane404 who do you use
Us Lawdaddy mains got it tough...
At least we got armor and executions
Lawbros unite! I dont want that they make him op, just do something. Like change zone to something usefull at least.
Law bro is honestly one of the most balanced character in the game
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Then you got us shugo mains... life is tough on this end.
And not a rework
Today i played breach and the enemy team was filled with female tiandi's and everybody just left we couln't stand the screaming.i think female tiandi are meta.
Nuxia’s scream is also annoying af
@@thesilverwind6922 excuseme
wasoo wasoo
YUNYA FWE FWE YEEM YEAH
What the highlander every 3 seconds DON MCGLASS
S-Kensei, Conq, Bersk, Highlander, Warden, Shaolin
A-Chinese PK (Nuxia), Tiandi, Shinobi, Warlord, Shaman, Gladiator,
B-Orochi, Lawbringer,Jiang Juan, Valkyrie, Nobushi
C-Raider, Roman boi, Peacekeeper
D- Big boi, Arma
Echlipse Meow your list makes no sense
@@jugsforthewin7825 it's not his list bro
Wouldn't say highlander is S tier im maining him and basicly any hero with a dodge attack destroys him and there's a lot of them
He has really high OOS pressure, OS is really powerful with quick kick, dodge punish grab, a kick into grab which SOME dash attacks counter but not all, 400ms dashes, 300ms lights and 40 damage fairly quick soft feintable unblockable heavies. In DS he is pretty meh tho
@Algye that and his crazy GB punish, his safe kick, his excellent baits, his stupid damage and his broken whiff punish. Good place, not OP, but his slide is only one thing.
Tbh I think console and PC should have separate tier lists, alot of the characters who aren't as good on PC dominate on console.
Chewitt12 agreed
I assume light spammers
@@MirrorReaper orochi floods the population on console, with light spamming
Binxy ___ I agree, Orochi on console is actually the most annoying thing to happen, Valk can be annyoing too, basically anyone with quick lights.
*Peacekeeper light spam intensifies*
This Comment is in memory of all the Wardens who died in the making of this video. As always another great and informative video that's not overly drawn out but still really informative
Thank you very much :D and I should have switched bots. We want equality with our death.
Equality across all the factions
It's not informative if it's opinionated.
Eh true but he takes all their stats,moves speed and other facts about the characters to rank them
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I’ve low key saw a Shugoki anti gank 4 people today
That guy is a fuckin legend then
Yesturday i was fighting off ganks as shugak...Idk why but that day i was pullin spliced's left and right
He was just waiting for them to throw heavies to either guard brake or heavy them
And then you woke up lol
Still confused how you "low key" saw it, like did ya see it or not lmao
"Nothing polite" he says well...
I hope you have a great rest of your day and the rest of your week.
and I was here expecting people to be rude. Touche
Urgh have a nice day pfft. Well you too then mister nice ugh. Jk :)
FUCK YOU GUYS. FUCK BEING POLITE. THE FROGS ARE TURNING THE WATER GAY!!!! FUCK
How dare you place Raider in C Tier , I am a Raider main and I win a lot of duels and I lose even more...Did you ever play the game :D ENJOY THE SALT COMMENTS MATE :D Good video !
Nice to see other people doing this :)
I'm confused is you're tier list better makes a lot more sense but I'm new so who should I listen too???
dogiii um.. Acutally according to the community raider is like D tier.
@@Neutral_1zed sarcasm mate...Sarcasm...
@@dogiiiPCGaming Nah, rAiDEr iS s tIeR, uBIsHaFt PlS bAFf
raider is still C tier, sometimes he works, sometimes he doesnt.
Tier S. All light attack spamers because you can't always block.
Tier D. All other.
Shugoki should get the same respect as lord tachanka
Centurion?
MORE LIKE C-TIERION
hahaha....ha.... :( That is too real it hurts man....
MORE LIKE
*CUT C-INE TURION*
@@callumtracey2875 I main him and hes not that bad. Just learn how to play him🕺
@@aimartxo23
A brother I see. *_INCREDIBILIS!_*
I appreciate what you said about Nuxia's traps. All the videos I see are all about how easy they are to deal with but no one I ever fight can counter them reliably. They're a mechanic that changes the entire game for ONE character and that's tough to deal with.
#LAWDADDY4HYPERARMOR
PLLEEASE
Tiandi has not range in 4s? Cmon dude, Tiande and Shaolin slide awkwardly towards any targets... i know ppl are asking for nerfs everywhere but i just want sliding characters to not be a thing, its weird, awkward, buggy etc... doesnt look like something that is fine.
Also removes the spacing factor from the fight wich is bad, but it wouldnt change much and a hero lile Tiandi that has great movement doesnt need that mess of a slide in order to close the distance... this goes for every hero in the game, not just those two.
I can't agree with that. It would be nice to not deal with it but that would limit the diversity of the characters and if they don't go outside the box of previous characters then, eventually, some will seem and act the same.
@@slothofakind5998 what are u talking about? What diversity has to do with buggy animations?
Shaolins sliding overhead heavy is so fucking cancer in 4v4 I hate it. Dude teleport across the map basically
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy hahahaha i feel u, its by far one of the worst, its bad mechanics wise and looks wise, i mean, why give a character with a long weapon and leaping moves the downside of spacing? Hahahahhahah keep on skating hah
@@vitorvena I told my brother it's like he is on roller skates when he throws the attack. No foot movement or anything he just fucking slides. Warden, PK, and Valk all have a similar annoying feature but nobody is more annoying than monks with it right now
Lawbringer should not be in B tier, you brought up his bombs, and how you think they nerfed Igneus Umber, they nerfed every bomb he has, they all do less damage, have smaller range and longer activation time when they hit the ground. Everything in his kit other than block shove and long arm in a select few situations such as a 3/4v1 is useless.
I'd put Lawbro in C tier for fours because his impale and feats are somewhat useful, but D tier for duels because..obvious reasons
Yeah, RIP law bro
Lawbringer has the second best ganking tool in the game (impale into a wall into long arm) which makes him alright
But he looks too good for c tier
@@Sam_Hyde_Apologist yeah meanwhile during those animations the other players can throw heavy galore on you. Nah lb is garbage in anti gank attack animations take way too long no reliable opener you just have to turtle which just isn't fun.
an extract from the s7 patch notes
"top tier heroes such as shugoki, centurion and lawbringer"
-ubisoft
You put Shugoki in D tier? That kind of invalidates this whole list, clearly he's SS+ ultra tier and needed to be nerfed again. FFS Ubi it was just a meme.
damn you right.
Every game needs meme characters
Lmao still not as powerful as piranha plant i from smash
@@cosminpopa1184 I swear Shugoki has basically become Tachanka
On console he’s B rank tbh, I main him and on 4v4’s it’s quite easy too tank all 4 people at once, that’s just console though and pc will be different
Loved the video really helpful. I just started which is the best easy hero
Hey bud, this video is outdated they all got nerfed or buffed or reworked :}
@@deadrobot8855 oh thanks anyways
In 4v4, Cent is good. He is a really good ganker. Because the indicators dont work really well there, the heavy unblockable into a pin is pretty cancer to face.
Ya I can see that for sure.
Who says cancer anymore. It’s big gey now
@@tsun_edm smelling a butthurt Centurion main xD
M4tyas wut?
@@tsun_edm Why else would you even post that comment?
This is probably the best tier list I've seen so far. Nice Job.
Well thanks
I've only been back a little while, but I have yet to defeat an aramusha. Guess I'm a scrub.
So excited for this being a PS+ game this month, releasing tomorrow. I like highlander and kensei, always been a 2h kinda guy and so glad they seem powerful in this game
For Shugoki, make his headbutt not kick the enemy off the engagement range; let it be used in mixups just as Conq's shieldbash. This thing alone could alter Shugoki's playstyle.
Krzysztof Górgól if you could chain headbutts like Conq bashes I’d be concerned about Shugo’s brain. Concussions everywhere.
Thank you for this content. I’m new to this game and your guide/tier list was very helpful. Cheers!
Y tho
Because we love you Mr. Incredibilis
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as a Highlander main I came here to see what tier you put hl in, other heroes tier doesnt even matter. And Im not disappointed I give you my like.
I low key saw 4 shogki fighting 1 female kensi
Everyone forgets about crushing counters
shugoki is the best companion in the game :D ..
having him near to you, you don't worry about blocking. as he hit hard. i find him very helpful in breach if he was my teammate..
I think you did well for the most part. Nobushi however is a must pick in 2s and 4s, though can be substituted for a kensei sometimes. She has great hitboxes, is a great mid lane hero and most importantly she can cancel her recoveries on most attacks so that she's not punishable. She also has pretty decent feats and feat synergy. She needs a buff in her offense and a nerf in defense, but if you're considering both 1v1 and other game modes at once I'd say she has to be A tier at least.
Nuxia is 100% not A tier. At all. If you see her trap, you can literally just emote.
I didnt know you could do that lol
@@sobervision1049 you can also light or unlock target
As a Shinobi main I would like to add that his Anti-Gank and team fight abilities is one of the best in the game since he’s the only one that can throw ranged attacks. Either it’s by stunning enemies out of attacks or by killing enemies trying to retreat or out of range from regular attacks he can keep the pressure up in group fights. Add Yama Uba(which has been nerfed) on top of that and he’ll have surprisingly high survivability
Nobushi is high tier ONLY in group fights. She has absolutely no positives except her hidden stance for duels. And no, just a stance with a dodge property doesn't make her high tier just because she can still attempt to hit the opponent while using it. Her attacks are one of the easiest to parry in the whole game and she has 0 openers with her unblockable kick being one of the easiest unblockables to dodge/punish (slow and predictable compared to other unblockable bashes). Dodge attacks like kensei's are way better than nobushi's hidden stance tbh.
@Metalhead Gaming Exactly. All you can do is soft feint lights which does nothing against someone who knows it. Neutral game is non existant, the moment you try throwing a light from neutral it gets punished heavily. Hidden stance is a punisher that works on guessing, not an opener. (what I'm trying to say is that you won't get any real reaction to your light feints from someone experienced unlike the openers, 50/50's of certain other characters...)
My problems with raider is that when they do a stunning tap and my guard wasn’t up top I just can’t block it. Especially when I go to try and block a heavy but it gets fainted into tap and again I can’t block it no matter how fast I am.
In my opinion warden and conqueror are on a hole different level
Agreed, right now I think they are the only two that are fundamentally broken. The rest need adjustments, Tiandi and Shaolin need to be more punishable, but those two knights are a nightmare.
Sebastian Durando Tiandi is fine, Shaolins on a next level yikeS
Sebastian Durando I wouldn’t say they’re broken. Conq shield bash spam is dumb and conq can turtle extremely well but as long as you mix up your attacks he’s not too bad. As for warden I think he’s a little overrated, yes he’s very good, however, his zone costs hella stamina and isn’t too hard to block his. His crushing counter really isn’t that good. I think the only thing that really makes him really good is his shoulder bash and your ability to feint it into GB. But I don’t know, I feel like everyone has their one very powerful attack, but goki’s just sat there sucking eggs
They went a little too far with Wardens buff
I mained warden and the only way to be good with him, is to constantly shoulder charge. (thats not how knights do it.)
Conq is good, definitely not broken.
seriously though, last time i played you could sit down and drink tea while i do my light attacks, fuck warden. (unless they make his attacks slightly faster.
As a rep 34 pure main Nobushi, i can say she is this high on the list because when you meet her in battle she is usually a high rep, and the rarity in which you see her proves she is a hero that requires true mastery, her move set is crazy small, but we fell in love with her early and never changed.
I think I agree with everything except Highlander. His mixups are very strong, but he's so slow and has trouble dealing with pressure in OS. I think he's more A tier.
Khelah10 i main highlander and i agree, i when A tier ended i was wondering if they forgot to put him in the video
Highlander in my opinion the strongest hero, but the hardest to master. He is slow but he has 400ms lights and 400ms dodges (in offensive)which means u can doge an Orochis 3 lights. Unless your in console then it’s 10 times harder to master. He is the only hero that can truly adapt to any opponent
That's a good point, and I've seen some deadly Highlanders that play that way. I guess I play on console, so I have trouble doing that, but toeknee was focusing on pc. So, maybe he would be S for pc, but A for console.
This is a much better tier list. Thank you, only things id change is musha in C tier, with the new siege mode his clear potential makes him almost an absolute pick and can be game ending. And highlander down to A just because he is a noob killer but because his attacks are slow af he isnt quite S tier.
All of Aramusha's soft feints are 400 ms now. Which means that it is very hard to react to now that the guard switch bug is fixed. He's still not top tier or anything but I don't think most people have realized that he can now provide at least moderate pressure in 1v1.
@Strasznik true, but if the aramusha predicts a back dodge he can hard feint the finisher into side heavy which will catch the opponent
www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveForHonor/comments/9puy0f/aramusha_has_options_to_beat_backdodge_on_his/
The only pressure i got from aramusha in duels was fucking zone spam his attacks are easy to predict and to block even if they are 400 ms you can easly go for a parry a lot
@@noxin473 well that's the point. You have to predict which way he feints. If you guess wrong then you risk eating a light and you're back at square one or worse, you risk eating the full finisher.
@@bournechupacabra there are only two sides it's not like i have to chose one and hope
The best tier list I've ever seen! Give this man some Sake at my cost!
Well thank you sir :D
@@ToeKnee I am not going to forget about that sake. One day you will get it. :P
When you hope your main is in the best tier..
Rip aramushi in D
Me sh-A-man
And you acc shugoki main after the rework because psn gives you the game for free and so you don't understand how is he d tier when soft feint heavy gb to wall demon's embrace and repeat kills anyone in 7 seconds
Rip shugoki
Finally some acknowledgment for my girl the pk. Everyone's cries really shafted her expecially in comparison to the other reworks she got a complete damage nerf meanwhile wu Lin, kensei, and conq exists
PepeHands Being carried to A or S tier by a single move while the rest of your kit is so bad FeelsGladMan
FeelsWarlordMan
Toestab zone toestab zone toestab zone
FeelsWardenMan
isn't this just every hightier in the game besides the wu lin lol
FeelsShinobiMan
“You can still deal with her as long as you got you know.. you know like a team.” Cracked me up hard man. Your subconcious has spoken!
hey man the truth must be told.
24:32 *Teleports behind you* "Nothing personal kid"
Omae wa, mo shinderu
The thing with Zerk is he becomes almost useless when you're against someone with really good reflexes, because of his lack of directionless unblockable. Other S tiers like Warden, Shaolin, Conq and Highlanders all have faintable directionless attacks, which makes them so much more viable on high level plays because even reflexes aren't enough if the player changes up his attacks often enough, while with zerk, all you have to expect are blockable/parryable attacks.
I can agree with this list, the main character i agree with is tiandi, without his lights he is terrible, and as a shugoki main im offended: (
But its tru tho sad but tru... All you players who doubting the thiccness will regret it when we get our rework im telling ubi that your hating on us :( lol but i really hope shugoki gets one of the most broken reworks, i won't even be mad about losing to one, us shugoki mains really deserve it tbh i think we needed it more then the first characters that got a rework and 2nd is lawdaddy, us thicc bois and lawbros gotta stick together... We get stuff in common well we both like throwimg people over our shoulder XD lol
The beginning of the toeknee tierlists
I think shugoki needs 400ms lights
Bruh just take kensei's unblockable feat and give it to shugoki. Shugoki's attacks are slow anyways so it's no big deal, kensei used to as well but now his attacks are fast as hell and doesn't make sense to have that feat(on console especially)
100ms* :D
I say make all shugoki attacks unblockable hiperarmour 100 ms attacks #buffshugoki
@@mrmorfo1182 it's called demons hate and he runs and stomps the nigga on the back and it does like 35dmg
I think shugoki needs 5 nanoseconds heavies with 243 damage
Great write up man! I'm on console but I think your pretty spot on, even from a console perspective --- Subbed!
In my opinion, Highlander is actually B tier in duels because more than half of the cast can just dodge attack from kick to grab, also if you stay up in hes face there isn't much he can do, and hes hyper armor comes to late and hes defencive stance is useless.
Maybe b tier is a but low imo bit i agree he is no s tier
have you considered not spamming his kick-grab like an idiot and using his neutral 400ms lights with hidden startup, his 200ms wavedash dodge recovery into 40 damage punishes, his 3-option soft feints from unblockable heavies or his bait potential with his OS? no? you wouldn't be saying that otherwise then, because his neutral game is incredible
@@Doublejho come on nobody gets caught by the heavy soft feints into kick an if you soft feint this kick into grab your stamina is gone or the guy you're facing is just going to light you out of OS.
Also consider the wulin with all their undodgeables wich make dodging into kick less safe than before
@@mrconnacht3017 alternatively, soft feint heavy into grab or light, both of these work
feinting into defensive stance to parry lights is what any good HL will do too, so idk why you're still thinking of kick
do you just play with his kick and that's why you have such a low opinion of him?
@@Doublejho No i don't just play with the kick and I don't have a low opinion of him I would put him in A tier as I said previously. Also the OS feint into light parry is up to the player not the character itself like any hard feints
As someone who played Highlander day one of release. I remember when Highlander was a D hero I was so happy they fixed the Highlander's kit. Now if only they could improve on it because the Highlander does need some shine here and there.
Am I the only one who thinks Tiandi's feats really suck?
Yea the worst feets in the game imo
What do you mean? You dont like helping your team with every feat?
Patrick Morris I think his feats are good because when your low on health you get shield and life leech.
There are few that are alright but overall they suck
Nope tiandi is op fast attacks counter to everything high damage good zone massive combo potential
Its shaman all over again
Great video Toeknee :)
2:32 I guess they never miss huh?
The most important thing we learned from this vid is that Toeknee can't dodge Warden's charge
2:32 ... i geuess they never miss huh? You've got a boyfriend.... So sorry xD
Commit not breathing
Commit toaster bath. ngl thought the same thing
I was scrolling trough the comments just to see if anyone picked up on this. Lol 💀
I guess I never hit blockade
I was fr bout to comment that
also ppl seem to noy know that a light parry for cent u can get a full charged heavy i been testing it and can confirm. idk if thats just for console or something but yea
With all due respect, this list has a lot of issues, all branching from one main problem:
S-tier isn’t reserved for heroes who are “good and viable” it’s actually designed for broken characters who actually need a serious adjustment in balance. You put a character like Kensei in the same level as someone as exceptionally broken as Conq. Kensei doesn’t need any balance adjustment, he’s fantastically designed and fits nearly flawlessly into the balance department. Conquerer is broken in almost all balance senses, and doesn’t deserve to be in the same tier as Kensei.
Furthermore, Valkyrie is A tier because while everything is reactable, she can mindgame a lot of people in duels. The point of the character is to mindgame people.
Also, her bash isn’t actually reactable. At 500ms, and a somewhat variable timing, it isn’t hard to be unpredictable with it.
The sweep requires you to program people into certain actions. I regularly land the sweep on very skilled players, including some of the best players on Xbox, you just need to make them think you’re doing something else.
Then again, I’m a console player. I don’t think that directly effects her mindgames, because a lot of her stuff is somewhat reactable on console, hence why I’m contesting that.
Nobushi also has some of the greatest defensive option selects in 1v1. I don’t think it bumps her out of B tier, but she’s a lot better than you think.
The Bygone King you joking about Kensei right? Arguably the most broken character in this game at the moment
I Was Rumble Kensei is a mega yikes tbh
I agree but the video was a PC tier list
Having every tool in the game does not make a character balanced
@@coltono2488 lmao what. what makes Kensei broken? Everything he has is reactable and balanced
I came to this video bc I got For Honor free from PlayStation plus eventhough this video is for PC and it's been 3 months since the video originally came out can I still use it as a reference
One thing I disagree with is the centurion but I know it's it opinion
nice vid btw
What do you think of the cent?
@@zee2826 i love him I know some people might think that he is to op but if you use him right and you don't spam then you're good and if you can parry then the enemy is in trouble
@@Volroomste_melk I use him alot and he is anything but OP he's just ok at exaggeration
@@zee2826 ikr
@@Volroomste_melk I dont think I`ve ever heard anybody Rep 5 or higher say Centurion is OP. He is a Noob Punisher, a nightmare for noobs, outside of that, especially on PC he is almost useless.
Have an nice day Toeknee
I was about to aramusha should be higher up till u said ur a pc gamer bc I play on console and he’s pretty dang good
Finally a comment about my main
leonardo clemente nunez can you explain how he is good? I find him easy to fight, but i dont see many. They usually just do side, top, side, top, top heavy feint.
Dominic Brunsmeier I personally main him(he’s like my third main) but I say he’s middle B tier due to the fact that the lunging top heavy attack gains hyper and is perfect for when you need to do a trade. His deadly fients are well deadly and even make someone go for a parry if you hard feint it. Now if you fine him ez to fight nice. But personally I think it really comes down to if the opponent turtles or not.
Toeknee: “It’s fucking UA-cam, there’s not gonna be anything nice.” Me: “Keep up the good work Toeknee, enjoy your vids.”
I hate everything about the wu Lin faction.
What the Fuck baaaaaaad
I played the orochi and I think it is limited by not having any unblockables outside of it’s deflect counters. However, if your play style is deflect king or queen then it could be punishing.
How in the hell is Warlord A tier? I've mained him since the beta and he used to be A, but after they nuked him I'd say he's lower B at the very best. He's so slow and predictable, doesn't get good damage, and has one of the smallest movesets in the game. The only really good thing he has is his charge, which you mentioned, bur I don't think that cheese charging strat warrants him being put in A tier
Glad is A tier, In duels hes S tier only becouse of his zone. Other than that Glad is Trash. So jes 1 really good move can get Warlord to A tier
@@Korow- I can see where you're coming from but glads zone is alot different from a charge thats easily dogeable that you have to wallbang or ledge someone with to get damage off of. Not to mention if they do dodge it, they get a punish, especially if they have a dodge attack. So it pretty much automatically doesn't work against any assassin, kensei, and valk
Yea Shaolin have huge diverse kit, but I think many people judge him by just looking at it, not realizing he have hard time utilizing it. Safest way is to whiff an atack, which puts you out of reach (although the heavy jump has some nice distance)
Ok you can’t rate law a B for group play but at the same time put shugo at D.
No, my Aramusha boy! You have foresaken me 😭. Still gonna main him, this list changes nothing but it was still entertaining. Great video 👌
feels bad man where in the same boat :I
Why is LB not below shugoki, shugoki has Hyperarmor. I do think shugoki is bad but If LB impaling charges Goki he armors through free GB. If LB long arms Goki armors through. Also LB doesnt have light chains so he gets caught by Gokis light headbut
This has to be the dumbest reason for lb to be worse than shugoki. Shugoki has everything lb has but without the shove on block option. His hyper armour is shit, waaaay to easy to take down just from a gb. He has nothing. Lawbringer at least has one of the best defensive tools in the game.
LB is very good at punishing if he parry's a heavy and he can punish really good when your in a corner
Shugoki has 0 pressure ever, just backdash whenever you see any indicator that isn't GB and you'll never get touched.
And then if you get him out of hyper armour stance he takes extra damage because reasons :)
Just turtle Shugoki and wait for a light -> Parry -> Punish -> Repeat.
Daniel Edwards backdodge even with guardbreak indicators and his range and tracking is so shit it doesn't matter
@@egggnog_176 Ye that's why he can't feint anything into GB either.
Like at least characters like Aramusha and Lawbro can get chip, Shugo don't even get that lmao
Awesome vid! Just subscribed
imo Highlander is only decent against characters who don't have undodgeable attacks. since basically the entire Wu Lin faction and a good portion of the cast have this, he's hot garbage in duels. He also has the Shugoki problem where he can't effectively anti-gank in 4's. He's godly at ganking, trash at dealing with ganks.
Your opponent have undodgeable attacks ? Go into offensive stance. Get out of it. Free light parry boi.
Exactly, zerker and orochi's neutral dodge attacks are really easy to parry, shaolin needs to go into qi stance to do his undodgeables, and warlord into full block. Tiandi is better since he has 500 ms undodgeables, but even if you can't parry them reliably, blocking those is as easy as blocking against a warden, you just have to exit offensive stance.
Zacha Riz oh alright we just use our feint button ( e by default )
Adam Beatove good players don’t react to the fact that u are going into the stance they wait till u use your kick
You can actually counter the Wu Lin dodges by doing Celtic Curse, it typically works when I do it but I’m an Xbox player. Also, he’s meh in duels, it really depends on reading your opponent. I notice that when I play highlander (he’s my third most played character, first being Warden and second being centurion) typically S tier characters like to think they can just avoid his attacks but making good use of offensive form makes him easily more viable, especially if you can flow between defensive and offensive.
I love Lawbringer for anti-gank, the parry into the stun is extremely helpful
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy your content, but I can't agree that Shinobi is A tier. ( I know I'm going to get backlash but listen) I agree his tackle is annoying, his long range guard break is stupid. However, the rest of his kit is so predictable in high level gameplay in Dominion and in duel. All his long range attacks are garbage in fights, it's far too predictable and punishing. I feel like he's just being neglected due to community hate. My idea is to change his long range moveset. First, remove his LR guard break, second change his LR attack and give a feint option for the first throw, and either make them light input with decreased dmg OR remove the knockdown punish. Why does any parry of a heavy input result in a heavy+ punish combo from other characters? And overall decrease his dmg, he's an assassin, faster attacks, decreased dmg.
Sorry for ranting lol, and congratulations for reading, keep up the great content ✌️
MovingOctoPictures. Ink I agree but another thing is this list has some issues I don’t agree shaman is A tier and cent and lawbringer should be above nobu in my opinion bc I’ve faced some amazing law bringers and cents and they reck , also vaylk should be A tier this season she absolutely destroys
@@ghostgamingxd7881 I think Cent and Law have better OOS pressure than Nobu, so in that aspect yes, but they are far too predictable, it's all bash mix-ups, like a 50-50 guessing game that makes it challenging/frustrating..lol
Only true shinobi mains can understand this...
Heard of things like : quad dash, smoke less dash, baiting attack by fake kick or light attack or just double dodge and guardbreak?
He isnt about throwing random ranged attacks in duels you play him diffrent in 4v4 and in duels
@@noxin473 most of that is OOS pressure, the quad dash is his greatest tool but it's still a reasonable and moderate bash, his light attacks are on par, if not worse than orochi's too. It's really depending on your strengths, and it's the fact that Shinobi can't even use ranged attacks in any situation to begin with, so why is it even there, you can't neglect half the kit. Light spam is boring and cheese.
as someone who has fought multiple rep 60, max refined shinobi players in ranked (diamond 4) as of late, there is absolutely nothing you can do against a good shinobi
his turtle game is way too strong, with his dodges and backflips being an amazing way to avoid mixups altogether (backflip can even net him damage if they try to gb him or just whiff their attack) and his per-instance damage is retardedly high, a lot of characters would need to hit two heavies just to deal more than one of his with ghouls rage
only reason way to deal with shinobi is to play LIKE shinobi, and a lot of chars just cannot do that effectively
he's also solid against the majority of the s-tiers, nullfying their bash-based mixups pretty easily while reducing their opportunities to deal damage to pitiful levels
only reason i wouldn't drop him in s-tier is his lack of a solid opener lmao
Definitely spot on with ranking the heroes
I think Orochi in C list. He can win only vs players with bad reaction. All openers very predictible. Feints counter deflects.
Lol he can win against players with amazing reaction. Delayed lights are reaching top 5% of reaction time. His rush is almost unreactable. That was proven in an analyses. All of his attacks almost have an guarantee follow up. The only reason he isn't A. Is because of his guard. aka being an assassin
@@starcow17 Light attack vs rush. 60 FPS vs other things.
On console he's broken, seeing him on PC he isn't as bad he is at least reactable, on console you have to take it
@@starcow17 Link ? becouse u know u talk BS. U can just light or heavy his storm rush. if u try to parry it its ur own dam fault. He cant use his Dodge attack its a save parry for every good player. All he has left are his Lights..... If u get 100 to 0 by lights whitout getting some parrys its honestly that he is better than u
@@Korow- try to throw a light or heavy on me.. il deflect it thx
Ps. 500 hour roach here
Lot of upward inflections, but they make your points stick well. Besides Tiandi & warlords potential in 4v4s, I concur sir. Great video.
Console teir list
S-conq,beserker Warden,shaman
A-kensei,glad,highlander,warlord,
And rest same as pc
So orochi is SS+ then?
Dragonfly Montage if the dude has bad connection. Otherwise orochi isn't that bad because you just pick an unblockable bash spam character (conq or warden) and shut him down by being hyper agressive with your 50/50 mind games. Or you just simply out cheese him with Berserker because 400 ms lights ontop of an infinite ontop of 1 of, if not, the best feint game in the game, ontop of hyper armor, and an unblockable. Oh and zerker's dash attack is faster than rochi's and had a better deflect.
Just block his lights,not that hard and out damage him he is better on console then PC but still low A or high B
Faso offjuice which one? Orochi or Berserker? If it is Orochi then yes I agree with you. Just set your dead zone to 0 and it will help a whole lot.
@@AnimeALX orachi.berserker is extremely good
As a Kensei main since day 1 (console), I'm surprised that you put him at S- tier. I second your assessment on him in 4v4's and 1v1. Now for my only other character used, Aramusha; he can be S-tier if they up the reaction time of his blade blockade. But as of now with the last re-work (patch v2.02.1), he's not as good but still fun to use :D.
Is this still accurate?
Yep
@@ohplsstop9634 So no or only minor balance changes have happened since this?
Only minor ones apart from a shugoki rework which renders him still shit anyway
@@ohplsstop9634 Thanks
@@steel2572 don't choose your character based off this list. Cause I play aramusha and think he is amazing but that's my opinion and I just learned how to use my character to it's best ability
I do think that Blade Blockade does shine through in 4v4’s in denying chains and mixups, his short range does make his anti-gank chances suffer but it’s not impossible to so. However what he does suck at is ganking because an Aramusha’s mixups are completely null and void against external blocking, coupled with the fact that he has no unblockable openers or attacks besides his zone means that he just stinks at helping teammates.
But I do stand that there’s quite a lot more merit to his all-guard than meets the eye just because of how fast it can come out and just deny spam or difficult mixups.
Berg Electron but you can trigger Blade Blockade by attacks from your teammates so just go to your buddy and wait for them to attack so you can slap the enemy
This list is absolute bs for PS4
Trill Lee I agree, orochi with his light spams would be way higher in these tiers
egan crawford I assume this list is made with honor in mind. Ex: no spammers, ledgers, etc
Hey wasn't there supposed to be a raider buff in marching fire, like a heavy off of gb or something
Omfg the gameplay is so bad
How did my orochi go from A to B i still play him like a god s tier diamond top 1 percent 2.49 kd rep 8 174 gear orochi
I destroy with warden literally everytime, and you didn't mention the forward lunging swing that turns into an unblockable heavy, its op af
In a 1v1 who do you all think is the objectively strongest hero (I.e most favorable matchups, best mix ups that kinda stuff) because I think conqueror has insane defensive and offensive capabilities but my brother is dead set on berserker being the strongest duelist
Did anyone see the warden miss a guard break point blank at 22:59
When you have a massive war axe, huge muscles, thicc body armor, and a smexy helmet, but then a bald guy with a broomstick kicks ur ass.
I'd say LB is C tier (his bombs aren't good enough to justify B tier and the character has no openers), Valk is A tier (mobility, range, shield charge as good as conq, crushing counters, etc.), and Shaman is S tier (Don't feel like I need to explain, but she's got mobility, crazy damage, and so many mix-ups it's impossible to guess where she'll attack from half the time)
Overall good list, very well informed
Kinda agree with nobu being in B for duels, but only for the defense side of HS. You can't rely on the offensive tools from it at all on PC as they are reactable.