Whats crazy is there are some super nintendo and genesis games on steam, which I can rip the roms off, put them on a real gmae cart, and play them on the OG hardware.
I'm assuming emulating original ROMS is the quickest, easiest, cheapest, and most accurate way to rerelease these games. That is a good thing for the average Joe Six Pack who doesn't know anything about emulation or obtaining ROMs. Quick, Easy, and Cheap means a better selection of titles and a lower price for him. Most people reading this know how to do their own emulation which means we aren't the target market. I've bought games (on sale only) that I know I can emulate just for the convenience of playing them on a console and to support the publisher who made them available this way.
I have a TON of illegal ROM's. I generally only pirate stuff when it's not available any other way. But if that's the case, then I have no moral issues with it.
I'm very much the same way with other media if it's available legally I will get it legally if I cannot then I will get the illegal version until such time as the legal version is available at which point I discard the illegal and get the actual one
I played Fire Emblem Genealogy of the Holy War. An old game was never released outside of Japan, and a good entry that implemented a lot of future mechanics which would go on to be staples in the present day. It's only thanks to emulation + translation that I got to experience that.
@@CyberVforVictory Yeah, when I talk about media, I accept DVD or DRM-free downloads only. Streaming services and other things like that do not count as far as I'm concerned. The only site I can think of that meets my requirements is Bandcamp. I'm not paying for digital music/movies without a DRM free download, period. So if DVD's aren't available, I pirate. I see streaming services as a scam.
Emulation is the only way to play some of the games that the companies have made impossible to purchase legally. It is one of the most important things for the preservation of video games.
@@RonaldMcVale Really good for you and sad of our times now with this among other things I have to deal with and music and video games aren't the only things getting pirated now since the times now got worse with the inflation and theft going on among other bad news along with the bad weather.
Remember, steam's business model currently is literally just "easier than pirating" while the rest wages crusades and inquisitions and purges and plunders on regular gamers in the name of "fighting piracy".
Steams new model is " Lets do Nothing" and its WORKING they did what they wanted to do and It effing Works. GEE WIZ i wonder why everyone one hates them as they keep shooting their feet.
@@snintendog it more of doing thing in the background that most people doesn't realize. From controller support to linux which then lead to steam deck, steam/valve does a lot of thing that many do not see nor realize.
@@snintendogI mean my steam account is from 2009, and having full custody of 4 kids I prefer buying games on that platform for either my gaming laptops and multiple Steam decks. I also have a psn account which I gave up on, even after 3 vita’s 😅…i dont prefer the switch anymore and its crazy prices ( still own 2)…as for xbox your account is synced with pc gaming now even steam…and my last Xbox account was from 360 era, even my avatar is displayed while playing forza horizon 4 off the steam deck.
Don't mix up collectors and people that go mental. Why buy a Van Gogh painting when you can print a replica. right? Things have a value as physical; the moment you translate them in the digital world they have no value anymore; and games (and the hardware on which they run on) ARE art, as a record, as a book, as a painting.
Quick shout-out to the memory of Emuparadise, and not for the games, but for everything else game related. For the logging of years and years worth of magazines, instruction manuals, comics, books, hacks, and improvement patches. Heck, you could probably find something to make your PC run smoother. It was a terrific community.
Search for any of the following videos if you want Emuparadise back: Fix the Emuparadise Download links 2022 Using Tampermonkey Javascript Code EMUPARADISE Script Workaround 2023 - Fix Download Links for ROMS and ISO's Original Download Links Restored for ONE CONSOLE on EmuParadise?!?
@@monkaWGiga the downloads dont work, they are shutdown ages ago when they got the letter to do so or get sued, what the point of getting access to article about some patch or software that I cant even gain access to
Adulthood is realizing that “illegal” and “immoral” have two different definitions. Don’t give corporations any more respect than they would give you, folks.
Respect is earned not given, and I think that applies even more to big companies and corporations than individuals. I also think a lot of companies aren't worth s**t based on the way they act and treat their customers, sometimes preaching fairness and tolerance on one hand and then raining down lawsuits against people who don't always deserve it on the other.
@@garydiamondguitaristyeah, like when fans making complete NEW game, small teams making something original with good old characters, like with Nintendo, a new game, Nintendo can sue them down for ANY reason! Just because Nintendo didn't liked it, or its being better than original Nintendo games, its so cheap way of competition! After this why i should be bothered about im getting their games illegally? But im still buying games i liked most tho
I don't think someone downloading a ROM for personal use should be called a Pirate. Piracy would be someone downloading ROMS, THEN selling them to people for money. I see lots of people selling hacked game systems, or emulator systems they built with ROMS preloaded into the machines. China and Russia are very guilty of this act. Selling bootleg consoles with preloaded games. It even happens at street level. I saw some guy on Facebook Marketplace selling laptops he configured to be Emulation machines. He had a set price for the machine, then charged extra if you wanted games. THAT is actual piracy. People downloading movies then burning them to discs. Taking those discs and selling them for money. THAT is piracy. I don't think Mr. Average Andy who downloaded a ROM of Sonic 2 to show to their kids should be lumped into the same category as actual pirates.
It is literally piracy… with the exception of Games that have not been offered in an official release for more than ~10 years (depending on state) then the game is AbandonedWare which is legal to share for free. But you can not charge for it unless it’s public domain. Also in my state it is illegal to share the rom… but having it is legal
@@RusticRonnie Abandonware isn't legal or a legal state, it's a grey area because usually somebody holds the copyrights, but does not sell it. It's usually overlooked by these companies because selling them would not generate profits.
So it IS illegal... but it seems illegal in the same since that in NY it's illegal to wear slippers after 10PM. Nobody really cares to enforce it. "Piracy" is such a broad term that flips from someone who downloads a couple roms, movies, or songs here and there for personal use, all the way to that guy at the barber shop trying to sell you dvds for $10 a pop of movies that aren't even out yet and are recorded on a camcorder. These companies only really care about people trying to turn a profit on their product and not the little guy just trying to enjoy the product, even if they can't afford it. Hell they know (depending on the product) they're more likely to buy this item or then next one they put out if they like what they got for free
Bro! The demonizing of emulators and roms did not start with YuZu being taken down. That started years ago back in the Nesticle & AOL dial-up internet days.
Sony also had a little beef with commercial PS1 emulator creators (Connectix, Bleem! Company) back in the day. And it was the same dance, that the "Big N" has today with Yuzu.
@krzysztofpiskorz5876 I remember Bleem!, I never used it because of it wanting money and i didn't see the reason when I could use custom discs on og hardware with the goldfinger. That and at the time my available computers had trouble running any emulated 3D games.
You forgot two other advantages. First the ability to access region locked games. Take Secrets of Evermore for the SNES. An amazing game that was never released outside the US and in a limited release. Via emulation the rest of the world can now enjoy this gem that often gets overshadowed by the Mana series. Second romhacks, you briefly touched on this but romhacks can breath new life into our favorite games, Loved Super Mario 64? Try Super Mario 64 The Star Road and have an all new hubworld with all new levels and stars. I myself am watching this while playing a Super Metroid romhack. Seriously if you haven't checked out any romhacks yet do so. They're are some insane ones out there. I started a collection of Super Metroid ones. I'm up to ten FULL conversions of this amazing game.
Amen to that! I got through playing Pokemon TCG Neo the other night which is a hack of the Gameboy game which swaps the cards out for the ones in the Neo series from Gen 2. It was my 2nd playthrough and I was satisfied as I felt that the game was everything it should've been. There's also one with cards from throughout the history of the franchise called Generations as well.
Great comment. Roms can be also localized or "hackers" can fix translation/dev errors (such as Simons Quest npc dialogues making game much less confusing&frustrating). This can even further help with region unlocks but also great for community overall (altho kinda legally dubious as they have to change original game rom - often these games are very old so there should be 0 financial loss for right owners).
You don't necessarily need to use emulation to play a rom hack, the emulator is mimicking the original system, so the rom hack will play fine on original hardware. I play lots of Castlevania rom hacks on original hardware. The rest of the world can enjoy these games with an everdrive, they don't necessarily need emulation.
As a heads up, Piko Interactive isn't actually that good. They send takedowns to groups who host prototypes of games they release, they've said some questionable stuff about preservation, they steal code for the emulators they use, and more. (There's also the whole NFT support thing, but that's its own issue.)
@@nuxxexe3968 At least with Retroarch, using it doesn't directly fund them. Piko Interactive makes actual money off their re-releases, giving them more money to buy up more franchises, and therefore more things they can send DMCAs to.
@@DarkInugami92 Especially when it turns out that, as far as the copyright holders are concerned, both methods give them the exact same amount of money. Why should I spend hundreds of dollars on CTR for PS1, when Naughty Dog gets the exact amount of money from me that they would if I just downloaded the ISO for free?
Gabe Newell said it best: _"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. Most people pirate because they don't have access (or difficult access) to the product/service they want. They would gladly pay for it, but they can't."_ Emulation is the answer to that problem.
If I ever get into emulation, that's probably the route I'd go. I have plenty of cartridges but not quite the know-how on how to turn them into roms yet.
@@apanapane SEGA are the most notorious for having the sense to do this, and unless a game gets delisted like with Sonic 3 to be included in Sonic Origins, it's free money. Craziest of all, they're like $5 max, usually a dollar per game
About 70% of the games I care about emulating are old Nintendo games that are out of print. The rest are PS1, Saturn and Dreamcast. Do I care if Nintendo is butt hurt? Not even slightly.
The whole concept of game preservation is enough of a reason for emulation to be encouraged. It's what prevents games on long-discontinued hardware of ever-increasing rarity from entering the digital dustbin of history.
While I agree we should buy games as a means to support devs to some extent, the thing is that how it actually works in the game dev industry is the fact that those devs have already been paid their amount to make the game, the only thing buying games does is just simply help cover some of the marketing costs and if profit is made, maybe a bonus. As someone who has recently gotten in to indie development I had to learn all this stuff ahead before finally starting any kind of work. Yes please continue to buy games as to some extent depending on the company, could send a message as to what gamers want, just remember that when you buy a copy, doesn't automatically mean a dev got paid right then and there.
@@assassin8636 Nintendo sues anything that moves, Sony have more than enough income from console sales, and Microsoft bought up every major game studio not owned by EA
@@EmulatorNoobconsole sales don’t typically make them money. It’s the game sales that make the majority of money for game consoles and that’s been a thing for a long time. Sony and Microsoft have been known to sell consoles at a slight loss so they can keep the price down so people buy their systems and thus buy the games
Well the industry acts like they have problems with old games...and act like they don't have the technology to have them available on current platforms when they know they can.
??? Since when? Virtual Console has been around since the Wii, and Nintendo has tons of old nes, snes, n64, gb, gba, and even genesis games available through Nintendo Switch Online
@user-md7er6xe2z yeah, but the point is that I've NEVER heard a company claim that they can't port older games because of technological restrictions EVER.
@@dominicballinger6536 The most recent of examples i can think of is the rerelease of Thousand year door. Gamecube and no issue running the game at 60fps, but for some reason nintendo brought it down to 30. Yes they were able to port it but your telling me the switch cant handle a handle a 20year old game at the same specs on newer hardware?
Not sure if this is unrelated but something I hate almost just as much as publishers making their games hard to acquire legally is when a publisher actually does rerelease an old game and it also happens to be the worst version of that game
Yeah Metalslug trilogy is unplayable because the official release runs on a shitty and unoptimized emulator. It is legitimately worse than the original and every other standard emulation method. Not worth anyone's money. Just emulate the original yourself.
I refer you to 'Duke Nukem 3D: Megaton Edition,' which was replaced by the '20th Anniversary World Tour Edition' in 2016. I am Not shelling out another 30 bucks to buy this again, just for a new episode.
"Legal" ROMs is all fun and games, until you realize that even the companies that OWN the rights are using "pirate" copies. I don't remember from the top of my head now, but there was a few instances that people found out those emulated re-releases were using internet available ROMs and not an "original" copy. Sure, they own it, so it's fine. But I want to highlight that even "piracy" is good for preservation and a ton of the stuff we have today is because a dude made a copy and released on the web. Like really, there is so much content that was lost (either because of a disaster or because companies not having backup procedures back then) and it is still available because of piracy. Movies/series that only exist today because people used to record TV with their VHS system.
I watched the madcatz video that you did about 2 weeks ago if not alittle longer As if it was like a curse, one week later i see the madcatz steering wheel in my local goodwill with the logo front and center
@@fishchips6752 ill tell you this, it was in california and if i remember correctly it was about 5-10$ They still charge a bit for electronics there even if they are pieces of junk🗿
@@hithere01OP specifically mentioned about it because lately, Rerez's content no longer just revolves around bad games, specifically 'Just Bad Games' series. Now, they're also making a pretty good video essays about retro gaming too alongside with their original series that propelled this channel, which I welcomed such changes. 😊
@@danielsuguwa746 You mean, as of lately, yeah, the "Just Bad Games" series has made as much traction as their bootleg console reviews (not that that's a bad thing), but they have done some video analyses in the past about retro gaming in their other channels.
@Tylerson If I pay for a game I want to own it. Not have it get taken away at anytime or have it stop working because the servers that support the always online for a single player game go down. Also DRMs that are borderline malware.
The quality of rerez constantly is evolving and gets even better as the years have gone by, I remember when it was just Shane 10 years ago talking about the best wii u games I should pick up on my next trip to toys r us. I used to think back on your camerawork and engaging video that captivates the viewer through the entire production. Cant say much has changed on how innovative, you have become one with your style and I love how you continue to make everything even more professional in your youtube endeavor's. Thank You Rerez for giving me stellar content to watch from when I was 7 years old, all the way to now where im graduating highschool.
We also have to remember that Nintendo were really sue happy. Remember when they went after let's players, claiming that them playing the game on video was copyright infringement? Then they made content creators sign some kind of contract with them if they wanted to stream themselves playing Nintendo games. Nintendo is ridiculously petty and sue happy.
I remember that, Nintendo was very C&D happy when UA-camrs started streaming their games. That partnership program at the end only pushed back said content creators from wanting to play their games and at the end they ended up dropping it once the damage was already done. Their pettiness knows no bounds.
@@pablodelgado7919 They C&D'd a fan-sequel of Chrono Trigger that used a BUNCH of Radical Dreamers and Chrono Cross lore and wove it into the CT world, too, WAY WAY BACK in like, I wanna say 2004? 2005? I think I still have that hack somewhere in my folders-- Crimson Echoes, IIRC? That's long (3-4 years!) before they re-released the DS version that added a tiny bit more ties to CC. At least with ASM2R they only C&D'd it when they were about to release their own Super Metroid 2 remake.
@@neoqwerty Nintendo? I'm pretty sure that was Squeenix that did that one, Nintendo's got nothing on the Chrono series aside from CT originally being a SNES game (though they probably wouldve done what you said if they had the power)
This is why you only pirate games that follow any of the criteria here: A. Aren't being sold by the company anymore and can only be obtained through buying second hand (like, say, SNES/NES games, Genesis games, GameBoy games, etc.) B. Are made by big corporations C. Aren't indie games (seriously dude douche move if you pirate one of these)
I think you're really underestimating how much the common person does not want to mess with anything that involves a set up. Tons and tons and TONS of people just want to press the play button on their game and play it. They don't want to set up an emulator, they don't want to go through menus and rebind buttons, they don't want to download cores and artwork and external community made filters. and for the people that do this stuff already, they don't care about the "legality" of any of it. They're mostly older people who couldn't care less about making sure the companies are happy. Don't get me wrong, this is a super interesting topic! I like learning about "Legal Roms" because it IS interesting. I just think this dream where you can just buy rom files with no way of playing it out of the box is WAY more niche than you're making it out to be. Companies do not stand to make buckets of money from this. They'd get way more sales wrapping them with an emulator and selling them to people who just want to play a video game. Especially since these can be easily played on consoles as well. not even getting into the topic of how game compilations should also be way more than just a collection of rom files. Look at stuff like Sonic Mega Collection and Gems Collection. Are their emulators the best? No, of course not but they are still some of the greatest packages because of everything put into them. The presentation, the extras, the music. It's just as memorable as the games themselves. This is already a dying art breed, I feel like we shouldn't be encouraging companies to do even less.
They never sold official games on my country or even sold the console in official way (Nintendo and Xbox), so technically playing them "illegally" is still considered legal right?
Even then it would be illegal, but if they're not giving you the opportunity to buy them, there's morally nothing wrong with resorting to other methods. After all, the problem with piracy is that you deprive them of a sale, but if this sale was impossible in the first place, they don't lose anything (I should add this is different from the argument "I was never going to buy their game at the price they set it at, so I'm not depriving them of anything by pirating", because in that case the ability to pirate the game for free will always have a subconscious effect on the decision that you were never going to buy the game anyway, such as eliminating a potential future impulse purchase).
The Sega Genesis Collection on Steam has Workshop support with tons of extra games available for free. Dunno if they technically count as legal, but it's been like this for years and Sega hasn't ever put a stop to it. I'm pretty sure you can even mod in the missing Sonics, maybe romhacks and stuff too?
The nice thing about the legal ROMs is that you can put them on an EverDrive and play them on real hardware if you want to. In fact if you buy them through a site like Stone Age, they usually come with a pack of licensed ROMs just to get you started.
I never understood the whole emulation is bad thing online. Most emulated games are older and no longer being made/supported and emulation keeps games alive making it easier to get and be played
@@StrokedGT Actually you could argue that emulators (At least for older consoles) are already better then original hardware. Emulators provide graphics options to enhance the resolution of game. Emulators even can fix graphical issues that were present on original hardware. Its okay if you have the opinion that original hardware is better though.
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 if they're better, they wouldn't need updates or have compatibility issues. I don't really need those graphics options, as nearly every console I have natively outputs clean RGB and that can go into a cheap upscaler like the OSSC and looks amazing on a modern TV, but I can still plug the console into a CRT and play them the same way I remember.
No, but not just because those are reasonably common Italian names. Comedian/Actor Robin Williams named his daughter Zelda out of his love for the game.
Small minded people work on opinion, not facts. Too many impressionable people who spend too much time listening to "people they like" instead of people who know what they're talking about. I've literally had people, here on UA-cam, tell me that I'm right...but they like the person who made the video, so they didn't care he was wrong. Emulation has been legal longer than most people using UA-cam have been alive and anyone who says that people should be punished for using an emulator is just marking themselves as someone who doesn't know what they are talking about AND are happy to give their opinion on ANYTHING, lol. Always happy to get a new video from Rerez. I wish they could happen more often but understand that it's not feasible and would just result in half-assed results. But I can't wait to see what you have for us next time!
I 100% agree. The only people who argue that using an emulator is illegal or makes you a bad person is a Nintendrone/corporate shill. There is NOTHING wrong with emulating games you own and using emulators to play games is not a crime. Emulation =/= Piracy and Im sick and tiered of idiots equating the two.
@@CuriousChronicles82275 Exactly! Then they hypocritically use emulation technology themselves to make a profit off of older games after them just saying that emulation is bad and "stifles innovation".🤦♂
you fail to mention that a lot of the games that people are pirating don't have way for you to buy them legally. even if you have a legal copy Nintendo doesn't like you using it for emulation.
Just leaving a comment to boost the video a bit- It seems that UA-cam is hiding it somehow, doesn't appears in everyone's sub tab! Love your vids Rerez!!
Yeah, I was surprised to see this one in my recommended on the home page while not remembering seeing it in my subscriptions. Not usually nearly a week late since I joined XD
My first emulation experience was so awesome, it was mid 90's. I grew up with the NES and SNES, but my brother in law loved PC gaming. Eventually, he said "ever play Atari?" And took me to his PC, somehow he had a real Atari joystick hooked up, and wow, a giant list of every Atari game you could think of. I had so much fun for that hour, me and my sister playing Rampage and other games we haven't seen. It's just crazy thinking back at how early money he was on emulation.
Yeah the atari controller standardized joystick ports on pc's between the late 70' up till the late 90's. I remember plugging in a Sega controller to play game on the pc.
34:24 The fact they're gonna be doing this under the Bleem! branding is so poetic to me. The emulator that made emulators legal is now gonna be a site where you're gonna be able to buy ROMs to play on all the emulators it led to.
My journey to discovering hidden roms within my game collection started when I discovered Dot Emu's versions of their Neo Geo collection contained a folder of the original rom to use on a Retroarch! From there I looked into my old Intellivision Lives and Intellivision Rocks CDs. and discovered each CD contained original roms. Thanks to this video, I'm going back log digging!
There is nothing more satisfying than playing ps1 and n64 games at 1080p. Emulators can even enhance games, like taking the warble effects out of ps1 games, the ps4 controller has a sensor inside that can be used playing wii games to emulate the pointer and sensor bar, and longer draw distances in games. I have a video on my channel going over some of the best emulators for windows computers/laptops.
@@Plsrateeight The ps1 and n64 could only play games at 640x480, so yes, 1080 does matter. There's no real reason to go above 1080 with retro games, you can only get so much detail out of them. If you think 1080 doesn't matter, then it's obvious you know nothing about emulation, and to call me a little child shows that you have zero respect for fellow youtubers or your fellow peers, and is really childish behavior.
I'd really like to see them try to work out a deal with Micheal Jackson's estate in trying to get the copyright to them, honestly I think it's worth it.
@@xSABRET00THI take your point and do agree with it, but Michael Jackson's estate is an especially egregious example. Specifically his late father. And it seems he absolutely put people in charge who are just as selfish and ruthless as he was.
It always nice to see these old games ported properly for the new generation of people and not just be forgotten in the past. Also at 21:50 Actually that game 40 Winks was ported to the PS3/PSP/Vita by the PlayStation Classics catalog but sadly only on Europe... Which kind of suck since the PS3 PS Store on Europe has a bunch of good PS1 and PS2 old titles that never were released on America for some reason, one of them are the Fear Effect games.
3:38 Plenty of people have confirmed NSO emulation doesn't run as well as it ought to. I know, because I was one of them. For some context, starting in late 2022, I was playing through the entire DKC trilogy with a friend via NSO. Having very laggy internet connections certainly didn't help, but to add insult to injury, there were times where the games would crash, DKC 3 did this the most. Those videos are still up on my channel as proof, neither of us were exaggerating or making up how bad it really was. So I can attest to those who say the NSO emulation isn't all that great.
I always said, physical media doesn't mean ownership, stuff will break by itself eventually and no corporation will honor the "ownership" of your media.
Another option worth mentioning is the GB Operator. It is a device that lets you play Gameboy, Gameboy Color and Gameboy Advance cartreidges on your PC and extract the roms easily to play on any emulator you want.
33:43 Piko Interactive also come across as scummy as hell. The modern re-release of Glover being the most infamous cases of their shady practices as it was very poorly recieved and came across as a cash-grab. And while the PlayStation version is included, it's nothing more than blatant emulation. Plus, they're very anti-preservation. I can list their other controversies, but I hope the other people in the comments can state that for me.
@@benmalsky9834 // Yes, I watched the video. Well, some of it. Yes, emulation can be a good thing for preserving rare or lost games. All I'm saying is that Glover's infamous re-release is one of the reasons why they have such a questionable reputation, along with using stolen emulator code and supporting NFTs.
Glad you made this video, and I'm really glad you didn't go down the "just pirate anyway!" route a lot of emulation advocates go for. Emulation isn't inherently bad, it's just making sure the rights holders get their fair share. It's easy enough for anyone to just download and run whatever retro game they want, and no one is going to stop that. The best thing any publisher can do is to just give people a way to purchase these ROMs legally. People who want to pirate will continue to do so, but those who are willing to pay will. It costs the publisher basically nothing; they have everything to gain and nothing to lose.
Emulation = preservation. Imagine, you lost all of your original game cartridges during a move and now you emulate them to bring them back, just for being able to play them again - there is nothing wrong with it imo, since you paid for them back then.
2:13 - It's a matter of some debate on whether the PSP emulates PS1 games or not. The actual PS1 code runs natively on a PSP. The "emulator" is more of a shell that maps the buttons and translates the video signal to the PSP's screen.
We have seen time and time again that emulation is the only way to preserve the history of video games, so many games that wouldve been lost to time or are so rare that the only copies are just sitting in a warehouse somewhere have gotten a chance to see new life due to emulation. If all games were just available on a marketplace, then i would be inclined to agree with those that see emulation as morally wrong. The fact of the matter is, the only way we can 100% preserve these games are to archive them through emulation.
@@StrokedGT hardware are limited, there is a reason why speedrunner are allow to use emulator now on certain games, because getting the physical copy and the hardware require to run it is pretty much impossible for most people... eventually you need emulation if you want to play old games.
@@StrokedGT the armored core games are being upselled to hell and back. A disc only copy of Armored Core 2 is going for $45. You can just emulate it and only take a couple of minutes to play it
@StrokedGT say that in few years when ps3 and 360 consoles are all but died from hardware failures and there's no other way to play the 100s of exclusives and delisted digital games.
1:19 The situation's gotten so bad that Twitter can somehow detect any variation of that particular SpongeBob screencap and it'll automatically put a Community Note on it saying "It is false that emulation is illegal." and linking to the Sony court case. Even if it doesn't have the "People who emulate games should be fined" caption on the sign.
Soooooo I can speak to the positive side of emulation. Not only is the Compatibility Mode in Windows the only thing that allows me to play my hand-me-down sports games (NR2003 and NHL 2004 for those curious), but I've actively been helping a community that uses the PCSX2 emulator to keep NCAA Football 06 alive with texture upgrades. It's a VERY fun process, and Shane is completely right in saying that the folks who know their ways around emulation are very dedicated to their craft.
I totally support Nintendo taking down Yuzu. Going after emulators for systems that you can’t buy anymore, that’s not good. But going after an emulator for a system THAT IS STILL ON THE MARKET, I can’t argue with that. Once the switch is long gone, go for it, emulator guys!
Also worth noting that a lot of more popular games that don't have easily accessible ROMs often have reverse-engineered ROMs available. These are still legal to own and use - the same way reverse-engineered emulators are - and since the source code is publicly available, you might even be able to find patches that fix issues or add new features (for example, there's a patch for Pokemon Emerald that adds the physical/special move split that was introduced in Gen 4). The major downside is that some technical know-how may be required, as these projects typically require you to build them from source. It's not a _particularly_ difficult thing to do (the PRET team provides in-depth instructions on how to get their ROMs working), but it isn't for the faint of heart.
Another thing you can do with owning roms are to load them in special carts for your original hardware. Companies like Everdrive sell Carts that let you pop in an SD card will all of the roms you have. You could take your entire rom collection and play it on original hardware. It also means you can legally buy newly released games for those systems and still play them on original hardware. For CD based consoles, there are modifications that can replace those dying lasers. For Sega Saturn specifically you can get a cart call the Saroo that does the same thing as an Everdrive without any hardware modding. Saroo also improves load times, act as ram expansions and uses your SD card to handle save files for every game. I can see you making a Part 2 with these.
You don't have to pirate Switch games to emulate them on PC. I can rip my own games that I have purchased, furthermore I can upscale them and play them at higher frame rates.
Yeah, me too. But a lot of Switch owners can't do that, since Nintendo fixed RCM with hardware changes. No easy way into those consoles aside from modchips.
0:03 That should be the FBI (or in your case, the CSIS, the Canadian FBI), not the local police. Copyright infringement is a federal crime. Though it is only covered by criminal law in the rare roughly 1% of cases were the Feds actually get involved. Otherwise it is purely civil law. Also under federal jurisdiction.
In my opinion, buying second-hand is the same as piracy, because you're getting a copy of a game without imbursing the devs. The original owner would have bought the game regardless if you come along and buy it from them, and the devs miss out on a sale because you bought a copy that was already sold (obviously they don't miss out if you're looking for the game after it's no longer for sale by official means)
When retro game collections include the roms as a legal resource I make sure to buy them to support that practice. Was hoping with Retroarch hitting steam that more devs would do so and maybe use a common rom folder for RA to find. Would be great if Steam just had a rom collection library built in for that purpose too. Don't forget new gamesfrom indies made for old hardware that also include a playable rom or as DLC, those are real nice.
3:37 Yes, actually, we do. While I will admit that Nintendo Switch Online has taken a very long time to improve as a digital service, some of the emulation artifacts and goofs slip through the cracks. I especially notice problems with the audio, in that the musical hiccups vary by game. Other times, it's just that Nintendo leaves out features that were previously accessible in the original physical editions of classic titles. I encountered this while playing The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Seasons. There is a secret shop that can only be accessed via the GBA... only Nintendo forgot to implement that feature for crossplay with the Game Boy (Color) and GBA libraries with the NSO basic and Expansion Pack subscription tiers. Whoops...
also, sin and punishment (iirc) doesnt let you save on switch online; basically, if you quit the game, unless you savestated, you have to restart it all
@@ZEKESPILLEDINKMUSIC yes, but i think in super r type, there were no checkpoints in the original game on normal hardware, but you can save on the original sin and punishment, which you cant do on switch online
I've been saying for years, companies like Nintendo should just put up easy to download roms for a couple bucks a peice and I guarantee tons of people would stop pirating them and buy them officially
If I recall correctly, the 25th/30th Anniversary of Neo Geo games from DotEmu are just enough of the rom files to run the game, meaning you may need to use an entire Neo-Geo BIOS and the Uni-Bios to get it working in MAME
I actually bought Sonic 3 and knuckles on steam to use for angel island revisited. You can do a lot of neat stuff with the rom outside of simply emulating it.
I really appreciate this video as someone who will always defend emulation; there's a couple points I want to bring up though. 1. I still appreciate having a modern day emulator of something like the switch because, ultimately, playing games via the emulator was just a more enjoyable experience. I own TOTK but I never played it on my switch, instead I played it on the PC via emulation where I could get higher FPS, use a controller that's not my drifting joycons, and not have to deal with hooking my switch up. I understand I'm in the minority and most people just pirate, but if I can get an experience that's better than the original hardware... yeah I'm gonna take it. 2. People who think emulation is immoral is annoying as hell, especially when it comes to playing games that you just can't get your hands on anymore. One of my favorite games of all time is Fire Emblem Path of Radiance, a game that has only ever been released on the GameCube and can cost upwards of $300 (more?) to get your hands on these days. Yeah... it's **not** unreasonable to nab a copy from the net and emulate it... its not legal but that's besides the point. All I know is this, what's the morals of legally obtaining the game when the money will never see the original devs? Not saying there's anything wrong with buying or selling second-hand games, but if there's no way for the original devs to make money off of a game, then all bets are off.
Your take on Yuzu is kinda hot. If I purchased a Switch and purchased a copy of a game, I have fulfilled all the legal requirements to play that game. If I want to use an emulator to play the game in 4K60, that is 100% my business, and Nintendo should have absolutely no say in what method I use to achieve that.
they didn't have a say in you using the emulator, they had a say in another entity raking commercial profits from a product primarily designed to circumvent IP protection technologies, which is a crime.
A quick correction shane: The problem that got Yuzu a lawsuit wasn't because of the patreon, it was because they were illegally paywalling features and updates, as well as paywalling unreleased game leaks (Such as playing ToTK months before release if you paid them). Yuzu LEGALLY could not be taken down by nintendo if it was just the patreon, as emulation is not illegal nor has it ever had any negative outcome in court. Yuzu's devs got very very very greedy and we all paid the price for it.
You're wrong too, Yuzu was taken down because it messed with direct data from nintendo (auto-generation of keys or title keys auto generated) in order to emulate games, which ryujinx apparently doesn't do.
My favorite argument about ROMs is the people that act like you're not supporting the developer by doing it. That's not how Economics work. If you purchase a game from a store you're purchasing it from the store who is already paid for that item at cost with a marked up the price by more than 50%. That store couldn't legally sell it to you if they didn't own it which is why companies like GameStop love selling used games because they get all the profit. If a game doesn't sell the store can return the stock but after 6 months that doesn't become possible anymore
And you can't support a dead company anyway, like CING, who have done a favourite twofer of mine. So considering the region locking of some of those...? What will these twits say about that?
Loved this video so much after watching it on Patreon that I just had to come over to the UA-cam version to give it a Like. Love the idea of companies just selling ROM's and I hope it takes off.
There’s a twitch streamer named Andy Bundy who was streaming Mario Kart 64 a couple months ago using the switch virtual console and noticed that the game was running at a different speed because the audio for the credits music wasn’t synced up correctly. He proved it by busting out his copy of the N64 version and replaying the same circuit he’d just done. So there is definitely a difference between emulation and original hardware. And there’s definitely a lack of quality on Nintendo’s emulator.
Omg YES. Even though I pirate roms all the time, it just feels nice owning a Doom WAD legally. It's one of the few "legal roms" that I actually went out of my way to obtain.
Finally someone who puts into words exactly what I have always thought of about accessing older games. If your a game publisher and you can make the game available you may as well make it available (Im looking at you Nintendo). Trust me, its not going to hurt the sales of your newer games or remakes.
What an idiodic idea, you do not have a right to make roms. If anything you should let games run their natural course, games will naturally be forgotten. That is completely fine and "preservation" is an idiodic and childish idea because YOU can't handle the idea that nothing lasts forever.
@@tinycoinfromholland1391 I assume you saw the responses I made to your comments before. Game dumping is legal and theres nothing you can do about it. Keep crying. 🤡
@tinycoinfromholland1391 I assume you saw the responses I made to your comments before. Game dumping is legal and theres nothing you can do about it. Keep crying. 🤡
@tinycoinfromholland1391 I assume you saw the responses I made to your comments before. Game dumping is legal and theres nothing you can do about it. Keep crying. 🤡
Remember that emulators are a great way to increase the amount of games people can play. Launching a new OS, just include a high level emulator for current Gen consoles so that gamers can play games on your OS without the developers officially supporting it.
Emulation is awesome! How else would we be able to play those precious old console and arcade games we invested so much time into when we were kids/teens, if there weren't emulators to bring back those games?!? Remakes and remasters? Sure, go at it, but let us also play the original games in their original form, through emulators, everdrives, ODEs or whatever form we enjoy best!
I think what it comes down to is in the past companies like Nintendo and Sony didn't care about their back catalogue as much, but now they've realised they can monetise it by putting it behind a monthly subscription paywall they do. Hence Nintendo especially are willing to fight more to "protect" that, even if it's totally overbearing and doesn't gel with their family friendly image. It's especially shameful in cases where they're using emulators or parts of the code from them that are free under GPL and then they're monetising this, which actually violates the concept of GPL quite a bit. What I find strange though, and I'm starting to think it's a generational thing, is how the attitude of regular people has also changed - "people are scared of doing this, really?" was my reaction when I found this out. It seems like certain portions of Gen Z have been more conditioned to respect big companies that don't respect them and to be scared of their potential power and reach although it'll probably never affect them. This was never the prevailing attitude when I was younger - if a company did scummy things, they were scummy, end of story. If you happened to pirate from a company like that, maybe it was a little satisfying where it wasn't previously. In the past when I was a kid we thought nothing of copying cassette tapes of C64 games or using stuff like Xcopy on the Amiga to clone existing software. A common defence would be, well we couldn't afford every single game anyway so we're not making them lose a sale. Later on of course I legally bought a lot of games new and used, and indeed have a pretty big library bought from the Xbox, Nintendo and PlayStation stores so I still think that was fair. I still occasionally download games I own or have owned that someone has made a copy of which would be inconvenient for me to do so, or interesting example, some games I legally own digitally on the PS3 and Vita do not work for me when I use the legal copies. Sony isn't going to help me, are they, so I helped myself to "legal roms" in order to be able to play games I've owned for years that for whatever reason don't work. To summarise this mini-essay of a comment, I think the world in general used to be aware that things exist in shades of grey; why a lot of people think everything is black or white, right or wrong in the current era is beyond me. Kowtowing to big companies out of fear is certainly not the answer though, because they'll double down on whatever scummy things they can get away with. It's important for people to push back against stuff like this; if everyone did it a bit more perhaps Disney wouldn't have been allowed to buy and ruin multiple classic IPs and the world would be a happier place.
Nah mate, your opinion is completely false. Stop defending the emulation community, the more people defend emulation the harder companies will clamp down in an effort to protect their ips, emulation is wrong and people just became aware of that. Just because you grew up in a time where people accepted emulation doesn't mean emulation is a good thing, if anything it is harmful due to the fact that emulation allows people to emulate current games which can kill a dev's motivation to make games because why make a game if people are just going to distribute your game without permission? You can't have emulation without rom distribution being a thing, by idolizing emulation you prove that you support people using illegal roms.
@@tinycoinfromholland1391 An opinion is not a thing that can be true or false, I see your conception of how they work is completely wrong because your world view is so jaded and blinkered it's not even funny. It's really sad you think you have the right to attack people over something like video game emulation, like you are entitled to it. Show me the part where I said I "idolise ROMs". You're putting words in my mouth and/or making a strawman argument because the actual things I'm putting forward don't support your argument, which makes no sense at all. Everybody accepts emulation, that's why there's loads of emulated games on Steam, Nintendo Store, PS Store. Why are you defending developers so hard when it's clear from what you wrote you have almost no understanding of how they and the industry as a whole work? I notice you still haven't commented on whether or not you think it's okay that free emulators made by developers under the GPL (do you know what that is?) are then taken by developers at other companies like Nintendo and then used to emulate their games which they then sell for profit on their stores? Does that seem right to you, that what other developers who loved certain systems made for free in their own time is then used to make money for someone else? I know you won't answer so I'll just keep asking to hammer home that point, over and over.
I'm surprised so many bought the corporate lie emulation is illegal. It is only a problem when you try to get copyrighted code. Technically, a lot of Xbox homebrew had to be fetched over think IRC as they were built using a leaked SDK.
Unfortunately there are many idiots out there that let nostalgia blind their judgement of game companies, allowing game companies to easily lie about this kind of stuff. Because after all: "The people who made my childhood games would never lie about this stuff for their own benefit. Right?"
I always use an emulator when I play my Atari 2600 games. There's so many games on the Atari 2600 that are just completely unplayable on modern TV's and monitors. Asteroids is one of them. Pac Man is another. Basically, any Atari game that uses flickering to allow for more than three sprites on the screen at the same time just don't work on modern flat screen TV's and monitors. They're unplayable. Modern TV's can't handle generating the flickering. I remember when I got my flat screen TV, I hooked my Atari 2600 up to it and put Asteroids in, and the asteroids were pretty much invisible. With Pac Man, the ghosts were invisible and non-existent. Using an emulator, it will display the things on the monitor properly. In my opinion, emulation is the ONLY way to play many Atari 2600 games now that CRT's are mostly gone. They're impossible to find now unless you get them used in heck knows what shape.
PREACH! I am a romhacker, and I would 100% use legal roms if I could, even going as far as requiring a checksum match to the version that was purchaseable.
That old CRT effect on retro graphics was real, man. I remember playing the Genesis Sonic games and being mesmerized by how detailed and 3D the sprites and levels seemed to be. So much so that when the Sonic Advance games came along (with their own technological advancements like the GBA's rotation support) it felt like a downgrade even though it was really just a shift in art style.
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The fact that we're able to rip the ROM files out of some Steam rereleases of older games is genuinely amazing to me
Human brain
***me ripping ultimate doom to use through zandronum and gzdoom be like:***
Whats crazy is there are some super nintendo and genesis games on steam, which I can rip the roms off, put them on a real gmae cart, and play them on the OG hardware.
@@Palendrome I know right?? It's just wild
I'm assuming emulating original ROMS is the quickest, easiest, cheapest, and most accurate way to rerelease these games. That is a good thing for the average Joe Six Pack who doesn't know anything about emulation or obtaining ROMs. Quick, Easy, and Cheap means a better selection of titles and a lower price for him. Most people reading this know how to do their own emulation which means we aren't the target market. I've bought games (on sale only) that I know I can emulate just for the convenience of playing them on a console and to support the publisher who made them available this way.
Sega truly pioneered the “hidden roms in the install folder” genre
Common SEGA pro-consumer W
yeah the dream cast was great for that
Nintendo did the same in the NES and SNES classics.
They even included fan rom hacks in the release.
@@BinglesP youre acting like they dont put denuvo in their games
I have a TON of illegal ROM's. I generally only pirate stuff when it's not available any other way. But if that's the case, then I have no moral issues with it.
I'm very much the same way with other media if it's available legally I will get it legally if I cannot then I will get the illegal version until such time as the legal version is available at which point I discard the illegal and get the actual one
This is the only way to play Sims 2 today unless you want to spend money on a rare disc.
I played Fire Emblem Genealogy of the Holy War. An old game was never released outside of Japan, and a good entry that implemented a lot of future mechanics which would go on to be staples in the present day.
It's only thanks to emulation + translation that I got to experience that.
Same here
Got plenty of oldies on Switch BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY PUT THEM ON SALE THERE! And not at Organ Market Prices.
XD
@@CyberVforVictory Yeah, when I talk about media, I accept DVD or DRM-free downloads only. Streaming services and other things like that do not count as far as I'm concerned. The only site I can think of that meets my requirements is Bandcamp. I'm not paying for digital music/movies without a DRM free download, period. So if DVD's aren't available, I pirate. I see streaming services as a scam.
Emulation is the only way to play some of the games that the companies have made impossible to purchase legally. It is one of the most important things for the preservation of video games.
Really sadly in these times that really is more and more of the case now more than ever.
Basically driver san francisco.
@@RonaldMcVale Really good for you and sad of our times now with this among other things I have to deal with and music and video games aren't the only things getting pirated now since the times now got worse with the inflation and theft going on among other bad news along with the bad weather.
@@kellychuang8373 Yeah i agree.
Remember, steam's business model currently is literally just "easier than pirating" while the rest wages crusades and inquisitions and purges and plunders on regular gamers in the name of "fighting piracy".
Steams new model is " Lets do Nothing" and its WORKING they did what they wanted to do and It effing Works. GEE WIZ i wonder why everyone one hates them as they keep shooting their feet.
@@snintendog it more of doing thing in the background that most people doesn't realize. From controller support to linux which then lead to steam deck, steam/valve does a lot of thing that many do not see nor realize.
They will always do expensive anti piracy campaigns, since its a quick way to either wash money or waste money to avoid taxes
@@KPX01 i mean Yes but to the average consumer they wont see that or use them. If anything that only add to their good rep
@@snintendogI mean my steam account is from 2009, and having full custody of 4 kids I prefer buying games on that platform for either my gaming laptops and multiple Steam decks. I also have a psn account which I gave up on, even after 3 vita’s 😅…i dont prefer the switch anymore and its crazy prices ( still own 2)…as for xbox your account is synced with pc gaming now even steam…and my last Xbox account was from 360 era, even my avatar is displayed while playing forza horizon 4 off the steam deck.
People are elitist for OG hardware only until they lose their Pokemon save due of a faulty battery.
My copy of Pokemon Gold that I got when I was 5 had to have the battery replaced, RIP to my level 100 Feraligatr.
or the laws of entropy.
Don't mix up collectors and people that go mental. Why buy a Van Gogh painting when you can print a replica. right? Things have a value as physical; the moment you translate them in the digital world they have no value anymore; and games (and the hardware on which they run on) ARE art, as a record, as a book, as a painting.
Haha, yeah, as a kid who grew up with the 8 and 16 bit generation, I still have no idea why some people take OG hardware so seriously.
Not everyone who prefers playing on OG hardware is elitist. Flash carts exist.
Quick shout-out to the memory of Emuparadise, and not for the games, but for everything else game related. For the logging of years and years worth of magazines, instruction manuals, comics, books, hacks, and improvement patches. Heck, you could probably find something to make your PC run smoother. It was a terrific community.
Also used to deal in that part before it went too. Real good memories there.
You can still get the roms off of there if you use the workaround script on Firefox.
Just saying.
Search for any of the following videos if you want Emuparadise back:
Fix the Emuparadise Download links 2022 Using Tampermonkey Javascript Code
EMUPARADISE Script Workaround 2023 - Fix Download Links for ROMS and ISO's
Original Download Links Restored for ONE CONSOLE on EmuParadise?!?
Emuparadise is still alive. You just have to be able to see where everything is hidden.
@@monkaWGiga the downloads dont work, they are shutdown ages ago when they got the letter to do so or get sued, what the point of getting access to article about some patch or software that I cant even gain access to
Adulthood is realizing that “illegal” and “immoral” have two different definitions. Don’t give corporations any more respect than they would give you, folks.
"STOP BULLYING THE MILLION DOLLARS COMPANY, LEAVE THEM ALONE"
-most sane nintendo fans
Respect is earned not given, and I think that applies even more to big companies and corporations than individuals. I also think a lot of companies aren't worth s**t based on the way they act and treat their customers, sometimes preaching fairness and tolerance on one hand and then raining down lawsuits against people who don't always deserve it on the other.
@@ZeroConZxmulti million*
@@garydiamondguitaristyeah, like when fans making complete NEW game, small teams making something original with good old characters, like with Nintendo, a new game, Nintendo can sue them down for ANY reason! Just because Nintendo didn't liked it, or its being better than original Nintendo games, its so cheap way of competition! After this why i should be bothered about im getting their games illegally?
But im still buying games i liked most tho
@@ZeroConZx also, playstation and xbox fans as well...
I don't think someone downloading a ROM for personal use should be called a Pirate.
Piracy would be someone downloading ROMS, THEN selling them to people for money. I see lots of people selling hacked game systems, or emulator systems they built with ROMS preloaded into the machines. China and Russia are very guilty of this act. Selling bootleg consoles with preloaded games. It even happens at street level. I saw some guy on Facebook Marketplace selling laptops he configured to be Emulation machines. He had a set price for the machine, then charged extra if you wanted games. THAT is actual piracy. People downloading movies then burning them to discs. Taking those discs and selling them for money. THAT is piracy.
I don't think Mr. Average Andy who downloaded a ROM of Sonic 2 to show to their kids should be lumped into the same category as actual pirates.
Wait, so, downloading roms you don't own and redistributing roms...aren't they two separate crimes?
I can't believe I didn't think of saying this for anything emulation, but I'm glad you did, and you have my agreement.
It is literally piracy… with the exception of Games that have not been offered in an official release for more than ~10 years (depending on state) then the game is AbandonedWare which is legal to share for free. But you can not charge for it unless it’s public domain.
Also in my state it is illegal to share the rom… but having it is legal
@@RusticRonnie Abandonware isn't legal or a legal state, it's a grey area because usually somebody holds the copyrights, but does not sell it. It's usually overlooked by these companies because selling them would not generate profits.
So it IS illegal... but it seems illegal in the same since that in NY it's illegal to wear slippers after 10PM. Nobody really cares to enforce it. "Piracy" is such a broad term that flips from someone who downloads a couple roms, movies, or songs here and there for personal use, all the way to that guy at the barber shop trying to sell you dvds for $10 a pop of movies that aren't even out yet and are recorded on a camcorder. These companies only really care about people trying to turn a profit on their product and not the little guy just trying to enjoy the product, even if they can't afford it. Hell they know (depending on the product) they're more likely to buy this item or then next one they put out if they like what they got for free
Bro! The demonizing of emulators and roms did not start with YuZu being taken down.
That started years ago back in the Nesticle & AOL dial-up internet days.
Sony also had a little beef with commercial PS1 emulator creators (Connectix, Bleem! Company) back in the day. And it was the same dance, that the "Big N" has today with Yuzu.
@krzysztofpiskorz5876 I remember Bleem!, I never used it because of it wanting money and i didn't see the reason when I could use custom discs on og hardware with the goldfinger.
That and at the time my available computers had trouble running any emulated 3D games.
No, but it reinvigorated it. People saw it as proof it really was illegal.
Yuzu fucked up pretty hard though.
@@bittertriumph2045 Agreed
Admit it. You all downloaded at least one "legal" ROM
One?
Gotta admit, i downloaded a modded version of sonic 2 with hyper sonic form back in the day.
Lol fire emblem by accident it was a rom hack though the patch was there
Just one?
Yeah mabey a few here and there! But as far as their concerned, all my rom files are legit copies of past purchases! Lol
You forgot two other advantages. First the ability to access region locked games. Take Secrets of Evermore for the SNES. An amazing game that was never released outside the US and in a limited release. Via emulation the rest of the world can now enjoy this gem that often gets overshadowed by the Mana series. Second romhacks, you briefly touched on this but romhacks can breath new life into our favorite games, Loved Super Mario 64? Try Super Mario 64 The Star Road and have an all new hubworld with all new levels and stars. I myself am watching this while playing a Super Metroid romhack. Seriously if you haven't checked out any romhacks yet do so. They're are some insane ones out there. I started a collection of Super Metroid ones. I'm up to ten FULL conversions of this amazing game.
Amen to that! I got through playing Pokemon TCG Neo the other night which is a hack of the Gameboy game which swaps the cards out for the ones in the Neo series from Gen 2. It was my 2nd playthrough and I was satisfied as I felt that the game was everything it should've been. There's also one with cards from throughout the history of the franchise called Generations as well.
Great comment. Roms can be also localized or "hackers" can fix translation/dev errors (such as Simons Quest npc dialogues making game much less confusing&frustrating). This can even further help with region unlocks but also great for community overall (altho kinda legally dubious as they have to change original game rom - often these games are very old so there should be 0 financial loss for right owners).
You forgot the Super Mario 64 Romhack which gives Mario a shotgun
You don't necessarily need to use emulation to play a rom hack, the emulator is mimicking the original system, so the rom hack will play fine on original hardware. I play lots of Castlevania rom hacks on original hardware. The rest of the world can enjoy these games with an everdrive, they don't necessarily need emulation.
Magical Vacation on GBA is that game for me. Fan Translation and emulator was the only way i got to play it and i loved its sequel to death as a kid.
As a heads up, Piko Interactive isn't actually that good. They send takedowns to groups who host prototypes of games they release, they've said some questionable stuff about preservation, they steal code for the emulators they use, and more. (There's also the whole NFT support thing, but that's its own issue.)
It’s a good thing most people don’t pay attention to that stuff, just the games themselves they’ve put out and preserved.
@@benmalsky9834 They send DMCAs to other folks who do game preservation, you know.
Retroarch is pretty sketchy as well
@@nuxxexe3968 Why does everyone act like everyone is sketchy???
@@nuxxexe3968 At least with Retroarch, using it doesn't directly fund them. Piko Interactive makes actual money off their re-releases, giving them more money to buy up more franchises, and therefore more things they can send DMCAs to.
If I can't buy it from the company that made it, then it's, as far as I'm concerned, abandonware and free game for me
Yup! And it's infinitely better than setting your wallet on fire trying to buy those rare titles that go for hundreds of dollars on the resale market.
@@DarkInugami92 Especially when it turns out that, as far as the copyright holders are concerned, both methods give them the exact same amount of money. Why should I spend hundreds of dollars on CTR for PS1, when Naughty Dog gets the exact amount of money from me that they would if I just downloaded the ISO for free?
Gabe Newell said it best: _"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. Most people pirate because they don't have access (or difficult access) to the product/service they want. They would gladly pay for it, but they can't."_
Emulation is the answer to that problem.
I'm a weirdo who actually owns cartridge ripping hardware. If Nintendo allowed me to buy the roms, I would have spent SO MUCH MORE directly to them.
I'm also that kind of weirdo. Nice seeing a fellow weirdo here in the comments.
If I ever get into emulation, that's probably the route I'd go. I have plenty of cartridges but not quite the know-how on how to turn them into roms yet.
ROM STORE ROM STORE, FFS Just ROM STORE and let Devs make GOOD Emulators to put on consoles EVERY ONE WINS
@@snintendog For sure. I would buy a lot of games if I could purchase the ROMs directly.
@@apanapane SEGA are the most notorious for having the sense to do this, and unless a game gets delisted
like with Sonic 3 to be included in Sonic Origins, it's free money. Craziest of all, they're like $5 max, usually a dollar per game
About 70% of the games I care about emulating are old Nintendo games that are out of print. The rest are PS1, Saturn and Dreamcast.
Do I care if Nintendo is butt hurt? Not even slightly.
The whole concept of game preservation is enough of a reason for emulation to be encouraged. It's what prevents games on long-discontinued hardware of ever-increasing rarity from entering the digital dustbin of history.
While I agree we should buy games as a means to support devs to some extent, the thing is that how it actually works in the game dev industry is the fact that those devs have already been paid their amount to make the game, the only thing buying games does is just simply help cover some of the marketing costs and if profit is made, maybe a bonus. As someone who has recently gotten in to indie development I had to learn all this stuff ahead before finally starting any kind of work. Yes please continue to buy games as to some extent depending on the company, could send a message as to what gamers want, just remember that when you buy a copy, doesn't automatically mean a dev got paid right then and there.
Indie devs are different
Indie devs deserve our money. Giant corporations like EA, Ubisoft, Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft don't
@EmulatorNoob Ea and Ubisoft I understand, but Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft not really but that's my opinion
@@assassin8636 Nintendo sues anything that moves, Sony have more than enough income from console sales, and Microsoft bought up every major game studio not owned by EA
@@EmulatorNoobconsole sales don’t typically make them money. It’s the game sales that make the majority of money for game consoles and that’s been a thing for a long time. Sony and Microsoft have been known to sell consoles at a slight loss so they can keep the price down so people buy their systems and thus buy the games
Well the industry acts like they have problems with old games...and act like they don't have the technology to have them available on current platforms when they know they can.
??? Since when? Virtual Console has been around since the Wii, and Nintendo has tons of old nes, snes, n64, gb, gba, and even genesis games available through Nintendo Switch Online
@@dominicballinger6536 Thats fair, but they definitely could have way more GBA and GB games on the NSO service.
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 And better running ones, too. Often their "official" emulator is way worse than those you can have on a pc.
@user-md7er6xe2z yeah, but the point is that I've NEVER heard a company claim that they can't port older games because of technological restrictions EVER.
@@dominicballinger6536 The most recent of examples i can think of is the rerelease of Thousand year door. Gamecube and no issue running the game at 60fps, but for some reason nintendo brought it down to 30.
Yes they were able to port it but your telling me the switch cant handle a handle a 20year old game at the same specs on newer hardware?
Not sure if this is unrelated but something I hate almost just as much as publishers making their games hard to acquire legally is when a publisher actually does rerelease an old game and it also happens to be the worst version of that game
Yeah Metalslug trilogy is unplayable because the official release runs on a shitty and unoptimized emulator. It is legitimately worse than the original and every other standard emulation method. Not worth anyone's money. Just emulate the original yourself.
I refer you to 'Duke Nukem 3D: Megaton Edition,' which was replaced by the '20th Anniversary World Tour Edition' in 2016. I am Not shelling out another 30 bucks to buy this again, just for a new episode.
Heads up, SEGA is delisting the Megadrive Collection on December 6th
I choose to believe the rest of your outfit also looks like Spongebob.
"Legal" ROMs is all fun and games, until you realize that even the companies that OWN the rights are using "pirate" copies.
I don't remember from the top of my head now, but there was a few instances that people found out those emulated re-releases were using internet available ROMs and not an "original" copy.
Sure, they own it, so it's fine. But I want to highlight that even "piracy" is good for preservation and a ton of the stuff we have today is because a dude made a copy and released on the web.
Like really, there is so much content that was lost (either because of a disaster or because companies not having backup procedures back then) and it is still available because of piracy.
Movies/series that only exist today because people used to record TV with their VHS system.
Rainbow 6 vegas 2 and max payne 2 are examples.
As in they used pirated copies at one point.
I watched the madcatz video that you did about 2 weeks ago if not alittle longer
As if it was like a curse, one week later i see the madcatz steering wheel in my local goodwill with the logo front and center
tboi pfp
@@molotovcockvore funny crying game
what is this conversation
How much was it? What gw location?
@@fishchips6752 ill tell you this, it was in california and if i remember correctly it was about 5-10$
They still charge a bit for electronics there even if they are pieces of junk🗿
This new era of rerez is amazing
Nice betaboy comment
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What new era?
@@hithere01OP specifically mentioned about it because lately, Rerez's content no longer just revolves around bad games, specifically 'Just Bad Games' series. Now, they're also making a pretty good video essays about retro gaming too alongside with their original series that propelled this channel, which I welcomed such changes. 😊
@@danielsuguwa746 You mean, as of lately, yeah, the "Just Bad Games" series has made as much traction as their bootleg console reviews (not that that's a bad thing), but they have done some video analyses in the past about retro gaming in their other channels.
When you don't own your game, paying for it means nothing.
This exactly. Btw...Yuzu is being forked, because it was open source. And open source projects cannot be shut down.
When you don't pay for your games, developing them means nothing.
@@Tylerson Okay, let me just get $100,000,000 to find a good working NES on mint condition and a cartridge. No biggy.
@Tylerson If I pay for a game I want to own it. Not have it get taken away at anytime or have it stop working because the servers that support the always online for a single player game go down. Also DRMs that are borderline malware.
@@A.B.-ub9unbro a Nintendo does not even cost near that much and you can buy retro stations easily
The quality of rerez constantly is evolving and gets even better as the years have gone by, I remember when it was just Shane 10 years ago talking about the best wii u games I should pick up on my next trip to toys r us. I used to think back on your camerawork and engaging video that captivates the viewer through the entire production. Cant say much has changed on how innovative, you have become one with your style and I love how you continue to make everything even more professional in your youtube endeavor's. Thank You Rerez for giving me stellar content to watch from when I was 7 years old, all the way to now where im graduating highschool.
We also have to remember that Nintendo were really sue happy. Remember when they went after let's players, claiming that them playing the game on video was copyright infringement? Then they made content creators sign some kind of contract with them if they wanted to stream themselves playing Nintendo games. Nintendo is ridiculously petty and sue happy.
I remember that, Nintendo was very C&D happy when UA-camrs started streaming their games. That partnership program at the end only pushed back said content creators from wanting to play their games and at the end they ended up dropping it once the damage was already done.
Their pettiness knows no bounds.
@@pablodelgado7919 They C&D'd a fan-sequel of Chrono Trigger that used a BUNCH of Radical Dreamers and Chrono Cross lore and wove it into the CT world, too, WAY WAY BACK in like, I wanna say 2004? 2005? I think I still have that hack somewhere in my folders-- Crimson Echoes, IIRC?
That's long (3-4 years!) before they re-released the DS version that added a tiny bit more ties to CC. At least with ASM2R they only C&D'd it when they were about to release their own Super Metroid 2 remake.
Ah yes, being held at gunpoint-I mean, the Nintendo Ambassador program
@@neoqwerty Nintendo? I'm pretty sure that was Squeenix that did that one, Nintendo's got nothing on the Chrono series aside from CT originally being a SNES game (though they probably wouldve done what you said if they had the power)
No, Shane!
Think of the corporations!
Think of the billionaire executives!!! They'll surely starve!!
This is why you only pirate games that follow any of the criteria here:
A. Aren't being sold by the company anymore and can only be obtained through buying second hand (like, say, SNES/NES games, Genesis games, GameBoy games, etc.)
B. Are made by big corporations
C. Aren't indie games (seriously dude douche move if you pirate one of these)
@@totallyreyalfactsfsfs Also the games that aren't available for purchase in your country
DEAR GOD, NOT THE ECONOMY
@@totallyreyalfactsfsfs I would say still support retro game stores just don't buy their overpriced crap.
I think you're really underestimating how much the common person does not want to mess with anything that involves a set up. Tons and tons and TONS of people just want to press the play button on their game and play it. They don't want to set up an emulator, they don't want to go through menus and rebind buttons, they don't want to download cores and artwork and external community made filters.
and for the people that do this stuff already, they don't care about the "legality" of any of it. They're mostly older people who couldn't care less about making sure the companies are happy.
Don't get me wrong, this is a super interesting topic! I like learning about "Legal Roms" because it IS interesting. I just think this dream where you can just buy rom files with no way of playing it out of the box is WAY more niche than you're making it out to be. Companies do not stand to make buckets of money from this. They'd get way more sales wrapping them with an emulator and selling them to people who just want to play a video game. Especially since these can be easily played on consoles as well.
not even getting into the topic of how game compilations should also be way more than just a collection of rom files. Look at stuff like Sonic Mega Collection and Gems Collection. Are their emulators the best? No, of course not but they are still some of the greatest packages because of everything put into them. The presentation, the extras, the music. It's just as memorable as the games themselves. This is already a dying art breed, I feel like we shouldn't be encouraging companies to do even less.
They never sold official games on my country or even sold the console in official way (Nintendo and Xbox), so technically playing them "illegally" is still considered legal right?
Brazil?
illegal but not enforced 👍
Even then it would be illegal, but if they're not giving you the opportunity to buy them, there's morally nothing wrong with resorting to other methods. After all, the problem with piracy is that you deprive them of a sale, but if this sale was impossible in the first place, they don't lose anything (I should add this is different from the argument "I was never going to buy their game at the price they set it at, so I'm not depriving them of anything by pirating", because in that case the ability to pirate the game for free will always have a subconscious effect on the decision that you were never going to buy the game anyway, such as eliminating a potential future impulse purchase).
Its still is illegal, but I wont judge you for pirating the games.
there's still the pirate bay if all hope lost
The Sega Genesis Collection on Steam has Workshop support with tons of extra games available for free. Dunno if they technically count as legal, but it's been like this for years and Sega hasn't ever put a stop to it. I'm pretty sure you can even mod in the missing Sonics, maybe romhacks and stuff too?
Another note to Sega: PLEASE rerelease Knuckles’ Chaotix! It’s become a Sonic fans’ Holy Grail.
The nice thing about the legal ROMs is that you can put them on an EverDrive and play them on real hardware if you want to. In fact if you buy them through a site like Stone Age, they usually come with a pack of licensed ROMs just to get you started.
What is this Stone Age website you speak of? Can we get a link?
Any Mario ROMs on there?
I never understood the whole emulation is bad thing online. Most emulated games are older and no longer being made/supported and emulation keeps games alive making it easier to get and be played
"You should only play old games on original hardware." - eBay resellers.
It's the best way to play them
@@StrokedGT *In my opinion
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 it's a fact, emulators are in a never ending journey to be as good as original hardware
@@StrokedGT Actually you could argue that emulators (At least for older consoles) are already better then original hardware. Emulators provide graphics options to enhance the resolution of game. Emulators even can fix graphical issues that were present on original hardware.
Its okay if you have the opinion that original hardware is better though.
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 if they're better, they wouldn't need updates or have compatibility issues. I don't really need those graphics options, as nearly every console I have natively outputs clean RGB and that can go into a cheap upscaler like the OSSC and looks amazing on a modern TV, but I can still plug the console into a CRT and play them the same way I remember.
Emulation is how we preserve games, it's just about doing it the right way.
nice spongebob drip. great video as always.
Nintendo would probably sue someone if they named their kids "Mario" and "Luigi".
Nintendo suing the country of Italy for infringing the Mario accent
No they wouldn’t.
Paranoia seems to be taking over you.
No thy wouldn't
No, but not just because those are reasonably common Italian names. Comedian/Actor Robin Williams named his daughter Zelda out of his love for the game.
Small minded people work on opinion, not facts. Too many impressionable people who spend too much time listening to "people they like" instead of people who know what they're talking about. I've literally had people, here on UA-cam, tell me that I'm right...but they like the person who made the video, so they didn't care he was wrong. Emulation has been legal longer than most people using UA-cam have been alive and anyone who says that people should be punished for using an emulator is just marking themselves as someone who doesn't know what they are talking about AND are happy to give their opinion on ANYTHING, lol.
Always happy to get a new video from Rerez. I wish they could happen more often but understand that it's not feasible and would just result in half-assed results. But I can't wait to see what you have for us next time!
I 100% agree. The only people who argue that using an emulator is illegal or makes you a bad person is a Nintendrone/corporate shill. There is NOTHING wrong with emulating games you own and using emulators to play games is not a crime. Emulation =/= Piracy and Im sick and tiered of idiots equating the two.
Only Nintendo thinks that emulation is evil and bad. I agree with you sir 100%.
@@CuriousChronicles82275 Exactly! Then they hypocritically use emulation technology themselves to make a profit off of older games after them just saying that emulation is bad and "stifles innovation".🤦♂
you fail to mention that a lot of the games that people are pirating don't have way for you to buy them legally. even if you have a legal copy Nintendo doesn't like you using it for emulation.
"Not morally questionable ROMs"
This is even funnier watching this vid right after reading something Battletech related.
Comstar here waiting on you to open that door already, what are you doing back there?
Just leaving a comment to boost the video a bit-
It seems that UA-cam is hiding it somehow, doesn't appears in everyone's sub tab!
Love your vids Rerez!!
Yeah, I was surprised to see this one in my recommended on the home page while not remembering seeing it in my subscriptions.
Not usually nearly a week late since I joined XD
My first emulation experience was so awesome, it was mid 90's. I grew up with the NES and SNES, but my brother in law loved PC gaming. Eventually, he said "ever play Atari?" And took me to his PC, somehow he had a real Atari joystick hooked up, and wow, a giant list of every Atari game you could think of. I had so much fun for that hour, me and my sister playing Rampage and other games we haven't seen. It's just crazy thinking back at how early money he was on emulation.
Yeah the atari controller standardized joystick ports on pc's between the late 70' up till the late 90's. I remember plugging in a Sega controller to play game on the pc.
34:24 The fact they're gonna be doing this under the Bleem! branding is so poetic to me. The emulator that made emulators legal is now gonna be a site where you're gonna be able to buy ROMs to play on all the emulators it led to.
My journey to discovering hidden roms within my game collection started when I discovered Dot Emu's versions of their Neo Geo collection contained a folder of the original rom to use on a Retroarch! From there I looked into my old Intellivision Lives and Intellivision Rocks CDs. and discovered each CD contained original roms. Thanks to this video, I'm going back log digging!
Amazing Video, thanks for sharing legal ways to get roms
There is nothing more satisfying than playing ps1 and n64 games at 1080p. Emulators can even enhance games, like taking the warble effects out of ps1 games, the ps4 controller has a sensor inside that can be used playing wii games to emulate the pointer and sensor bar, and longer draw distances in games. I have a video on my channel going over some of the best emulators for windows computers/laptops.
Not to mention playing games in actual 3D with a vr headset.
Little child 1080p does not matter
@@Plsrateeight The ps1 and n64 could only play games at 640x480, so yes, 1080 does matter. There's no real reason to go above 1080 with retro games, you can only get so much detail out of them. If you think 1080 doesn't matter, then it's obvious you know nothing about emulation, and to call me a little child shows that you have zero respect for fellow youtubers or your fellow peers, and is really childish behavior.
@@2GlitchinAwesome no little hipster it doesn't matter keep hipping
@@2GlitchinAwesome cry about it child, as long as I walk the line your report will be laughed at.
As much as I want to see Sonic 3 come back to Steam, that music MIGHT be a problem.
They re-did the music for Sonic Origins, perhaps that will propagate.
I get it, I have one before delisted because Sonic Origins.
Even Sonic AIR was need legal key for run this game.
I'd really like to see them try to work out a deal with Micheal Jackson's estate in trying to get the copyright to them, honestly I think it's worth it.
@@DannyTan6675i dont understand why older generations just lock things up being greedy. think about the fans for once lol.
@@xSABRET00THI take your point and do agree with it, but Michael Jackson's estate is an especially egregious example. Specifically his late father. And it seems he absolutely put people in charge who are just as selfish and ruthless as he was.
It always nice to see these old games ported properly for the new generation of people and not just be forgotten in the past.
Also at 21:50
Actually that game 40 Winks was ported to the PS3/PSP/Vita by the PlayStation Classics catalog but sadly only on Europe...
Which kind of suck since the PS3 PS Store on Europe has a bunch of good PS1 and PS2 old titles that never were released on America for some reason, one of them are the Fear Effect games.
SNK had a humble bundle with a lot of shoddily emulated games with the rom inside the install folders. Cool stuff.
3:38 Plenty of people have confirmed NSO emulation doesn't run as well as it ought to. I know, because I was one of them. For some context, starting in late 2022, I was playing through the entire DKC trilogy with a friend via NSO. Having very laggy internet connections certainly didn't help, but to add insult to injury, there were times where the games would crash, DKC 3 did this the most. Those videos are still up on my channel as proof, neither of us were exaggerating or making up how bad it really was.
So I can attest to those who say the NSO emulation isn't all that great.
I always said, physical media doesn't mean ownership, stuff will break by itself eventually and no corporation will honor the "ownership" of your media.
Another option worth mentioning is the GB Operator. It is a device that lets you play Gameboy, Gameboy Color and Gameboy Advance cartreidges on your PC and extract the roms easily to play on any emulator you want.
33:43
Piko Interactive also come across as scummy as hell. The modern re-release of Glover being the most infamous cases of their shady practices as it was very poorly recieved and came across as a cash-grab. And while the PlayStation version is included, it's nothing more than blatant emulation. Plus, they're very anti-preservation.
I can list their other controversies, but I hope the other people in the comments can state that for me.
Don’t spoil it for anyone.
Did you even watch the video?! Shame goes into detail how emulation can be a a GOOD thing, and why it’s a good thing with Glover.
@@benmalsky9834 // Yes, I watched the video. Well, some of it. Yes, emulation can be a good thing for preserving rare or lost games. All I'm saying is that Glover's infamous re-release is one of the reasons why they have such a questionable reputation, along with using stolen emulator code and supporting NFTs.
@@benmalsky9834 // How in the hell am I spoiling it for discussing such a company with anti-preservation methods, anyway?
@@polancoboomer I never heard of any of that.
1:18 i'd like to note that this tweet is satire towards people who genuinely thing emulation is illegal
Glad you made this video, and I'm really glad you didn't go down the "just pirate anyway!" route a lot of emulation advocates go for. Emulation isn't inherently bad, it's just making sure the rights holders get their fair share. It's easy enough for anyone to just download and run whatever retro game they want, and no one is going to stop that. The best thing any publisher can do is to just give people a way to purchase these ROMs legally. People who want to pirate will continue to do so, but those who are willing to pay will. It costs the publisher basically nothing; they have everything to gain and nothing to lose.
It is so good to have you back Shane. I've always loved your videos- especially the ones like this. Great job chap :)
Nintendo not gonna be happy about this, lmfao nice video as always
When are they ever happy with anything? They crack down on fan Smash tournaments, and custom steam icons for Christ sake.
@@_TwinkThey are happy so much of the time you know.
Eh, they won’t care. This video will be perfectly safe.
Emulation = preservation. Imagine, you lost all of your original game cartridges during a move and now you emulate them to bring them back, just for being able to play them again - there is nothing wrong with it imo, since you paid for them back then.
2:13 - It's a matter of some debate on whether the PSP emulates PS1 games or not. The actual PS1 code runs natively on a PSP. The "emulator" is more of a shell that maps the buttons and translates the video signal to the PSP's screen.
We have seen time and time again that emulation is the only way to preserve the history of video games, so many games that wouldve been lost to time or are so rare that the only copies are just sitting in a warehouse somewhere have gotten a chance to see new life due to emulation. If all games were just available on a marketplace, then i would be inclined to agree with those that see emulation as morally wrong. The fact of the matter is, the only way we can 100% preserve these games are to archive them through emulation.
What games? I play thousands of games and don't rely on emulation. It's one way to play them, but not the only way.
@@StrokedGT hardware are limited, there is a reason why speedrunner are allow to use emulator now on certain games, because getting the physical copy and the hardware require to run it is pretty much impossible for most people...
eventually you need emulation if you want to play old games.
@@StrokedGT the armored core games are being upselled to hell and back. A disc only copy of Armored Core 2 is going for $45. You can just emulate it and only take a couple of minutes to play it
@@StrokedGT Talk to me in 20 years.
@StrokedGT say that in few years when ps3 and 360 consoles are all but died from hardware failures and there's no other way to play the 100s of exclusives and delisted digital games.
1:19 The situation's gotten so bad that Twitter can somehow detect any variation of that particular SpongeBob screencap and it'll automatically put a Community Note on it saying "It is false that emulation is illegal." and linking to the Sony court case. Even if it doesn't have the "People who emulate games should be fined" caption on the sign.
Soooooo I can speak to the positive side of emulation. Not only is the Compatibility Mode in Windows the only thing that allows me to play my hand-me-down sports games (NR2003 and NHL 2004 for those curious), but I've actively been helping a community that uses the PCSX2 emulator to keep NCAA Football 06 alive with texture upgrades. It's a VERY fun process, and Shane is completely right in saying that the folks who know their ways around emulation are very dedicated to their craft.
I totally support Nintendo taking down Yuzu. Going after emulators for systems that you can’t buy anymore, that’s not good. But going after an emulator for a system THAT IS STILL ON THE MARKET, I can’t argue with that.
Once the switch is long gone, go for it, emulator guys!
"The King has returned" (Rafiki, 1994).
Gotta love John Rerez wearing SpongeBob outfit again 😂
Also worth noting that a lot of more popular games that don't have easily accessible ROMs often have reverse-engineered ROMs available. These are still legal to own and use - the same way reverse-engineered emulators are - and since the source code is publicly available, you might even be able to find patches that fix issues or add new features (for example, there's a patch for Pokemon Emerald that adds the physical/special move split that was introduced in Gen 4). The major downside is that some technical know-how may be required, as these projects typically require you to build them from source. It's not a _particularly_ difficult thing to do (the PRET team provides in-depth instructions on how to get their ROMs working), but it isn't for the faint of heart.
Another thing you can do with owning roms are to load them in special carts for your original hardware. Companies like Everdrive sell Carts that let you pop in an SD card will all of the roms you have. You could take your entire rom collection and play it on original hardware. It also means you can legally buy newly released games for those systems and still play them on original hardware.
For CD based consoles, there are modifications that can replace those dying lasers. For Sega Saturn specifically you can get a cart call the Saroo that does the same thing as an Everdrive without any hardware modding. Saroo also improves load times, act as ram expansions and uses your SD card to handle save files for every game.
I can see you making a Part 2 with these.
You don't have to pirate Switch games to emulate them on PC. I can rip my own games that I have purchased, furthermore I can upscale them and play them at higher frame rates.
Yeah, me too. But a lot of Switch owners can't do that, since Nintendo fixed RCM with hardware changes. No easy way into those consoles aside from modchips.
0:03 That should be the FBI (or in your case, the CSIS, the Canadian FBI), not the local police. Copyright infringement is a federal crime. Though it is only covered by criminal law in the rare roughly 1% of cases were the Feds actually get involved. Otherwise it is purely civil law. Also under federal jurisdiction.
If buying isn't owning......
......Then piracy isn't stealing!
Yoo, two rerez vids this month. Nice!
In my opinion, buying second-hand is the same as piracy, because you're getting a copy of a game without imbursing the devs. The original owner would have bought the game regardless if you come along and buy it from them, and the devs miss out on a sale because you bought a copy that was already sold (obviously they don't miss out if you're looking for the game after it's no longer for sale by official means)
When retro game collections include the roms as a legal resource I make sure to buy them to support that practice.
Was hoping with Retroarch hitting steam that more devs would do so and maybe use a common rom folder for RA to find.
Would be great if Steam just had a rom collection library built in for that purpose too.
Don't forget new gamesfrom indies made for old hardware that also include a playable rom or as DLC, those are real nice.
3:37 Yes, actually, we do. While I will admit that Nintendo Switch Online has taken a very long time to improve as a digital service, some of the emulation artifacts and goofs slip through the cracks. I especially notice problems with the audio, in that the musical hiccups vary by game. Other times, it's just that Nintendo leaves out features that were previously accessible in the original physical editions of classic titles. I encountered this while playing The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages and Seasons. There is a secret shop that can only be accessed via the GBA... only Nintendo forgot to implement that feature for crossplay with the Game Boy (Color) and GBA libraries with the NSO basic and Expansion Pack subscription tiers. Whoops...
yea but that's locked behind a subscription, you're not *buying* roms. you're renting them.
also, sin and punishment (iirc) doesnt let you save on switch online; basically, if you quit the game, unless you savestated, you have to restart it all
@@hhhh82userIt's the same with the infamous Super R-Type, which has no checkpoints at all.
@@JessicaFEREMTrue.
@@ZEKESPILLEDINKMUSIC yes, but i think in super r type, there were no checkpoints in the original game on normal hardware, but you can save on the original sin and punishment, which you cant do on switch online
I've been saying for years, companies like Nintendo should just put up easy to download roms for a couple bucks a peice and I guarantee tons of people would stop pirating them and buy them officially
This was really cool info. I never would have considered exploring the install folders to find rom files. Great PSA!
If I recall correctly, the 25th/30th Anniversary of Neo Geo games from DotEmu are just enough of the rom files to run the game, meaning you may need to use an entire Neo-Geo BIOS and the Uni-Bios to get it working in MAME
That GBA game looks absolutely fricking amazing, graphically. The sense of depth is blowing me away.
I actually bought Sonic 3 and knuckles on steam to use for angel island revisited. You can do a lot of neat stuff with the rom outside of simply emulating it.
I really appreciate this video as someone who will always defend emulation; there's a couple points I want to bring up though.
1. I still appreciate having a modern day emulator of something like the switch because, ultimately, playing games via the emulator was just a more enjoyable experience. I own TOTK but I never played it on my switch, instead I played it on the PC via emulation where I could get higher FPS, use a controller that's not my drifting joycons, and not have to deal with hooking my switch up. I understand I'm in the minority and most people just pirate, but if I can get an experience that's better than the original hardware... yeah I'm gonna take it.
2. People who think emulation is immoral is annoying as hell, especially when it comes to playing games that you just can't get your hands on anymore. One of my favorite games of all time is Fire Emblem Path of Radiance, a game that has only ever been released on the GameCube and can cost upwards of $300 (more?) to get your hands on these days. Yeah... it's **not** unreasonable to nab a copy from the net and emulate it... its not legal but that's besides the point. All I know is this, what's the morals of legally obtaining the game when the money will never see the original devs? Not saying there's anything wrong with buying or selling second-hand games, but if there's no way for the original devs to make money off of a game, then all bets are off.
if you want to skip the LONG ASS INTRO.....the actual information starts at 14:56, your welcome
Your take on Yuzu is kinda hot. If I purchased a Switch and purchased a copy of a game, I have fulfilled all the legal requirements to play that game. If I want to use an emulator to play the game in 4K60, that is 100% my business, and Nintendo should have absolutely no say in what method I use to achieve that.
they didn't have a say in you using the emulator, they had a say in another entity raking commercial profits from a product primarily designed to circumvent IP protection technologies, which is a crime.
@@TheJacklikesvideos I wholly agree on that point in particular.
I didn't get into emulation until fairly recently. Most of the ROMs I had were either homebrew games and unlicensed/bootleg games.
A quick correction shane: The problem that got Yuzu a lawsuit wasn't because of the patreon, it was because they were illegally paywalling features and updates, as well as paywalling unreleased game leaks (Such as playing ToTK months before release if you paid them). Yuzu LEGALLY could not be taken down by nintendo if it was just the patreon, as emulation is not illegal nor has it ever had any negative outcome in court. Yuzu's devs got very very very greedy and we all paid the price for it.
There is nothing illegal about paywalling features and updates. Stop pretending that you have any idea what you are talking about.
You're wrong too, Yuzu was taken down because it messed with direct data from nintendo (auto-generation of keys or title keys auto generated) in order to emulate games, which ryujinx apparently doesn't do.
My favorite argument about ROMs is the people that act like you're not supporting the developer by doing it. That's not how Economics work. If you purchase a game from a store you're purchasing it from the store who is already paid for that item at cost with a marked up the price by more than 50%. That store couldn't legally sell it to you if they didn't own it which is why companies like GameStop love selling used games because they get all the profit. If a game doesn't sell the store can return the stock but after 6 months that doesn't become possible anymore
And you can't support a dead company anyway, like CING, who have done a favourite twofer of mine. So considering the region locking of some of those...? What will these twits say about that?
Loved this video so much after watching it on Patreon that I just had to come over to the UA-cam version to give it a Like. Love the idea of companies just selling ROM's and I hope it takes off.
There’s a twitch streamer named Andy Bundy who was streaming Mario Kart 64 a couple months ago using the switch virtual console and noticed that the game was running at a different speed because the audio for the credits music wasn’t synced up correctly. He proved it by busting out his copy of the N64 version and replaying the same circuit he’d just done. So there is definitely a difference between emulation and original hardware. And there’s definitely a lack of quality on Nintendo’s emulator.
Emulating is best thing , no need to pay 100 plus or 1000 plus dollars when you can emulate, especially if the company doesn’t care for does games
This somewhat reminds me of the IDTECH sistem of wads, you buy the game, you get the wad of the game and now you can use the wad however you wish
Omg YES. Even though I pirate roms all the time, it just feels nice owning a Doom WAD legally. It's one of the few "legal roms" that I actually went out of my way to obtain.
@@Bubbabyte99 same! It feels Nice using whatever sourceport i want without headaches
Finally someone who puts into words exactly what I have always thought of about accessing older games. If your a game publisher and you can make the game available you may as well make it available (Im looking at you Nintendo). Trust me, its not going to hurt the sales of your newer games or remakes.
What an idiodic idea, you do not have a right to make roms. If anything you should let games run their natural course, games will naturally be forgotten. That is completely fine and "preservation" is an idiodic and childish idea because YOU can't handle the idea that nothing lasts forever.
@@tinycoinfromholland1391 Check out section 117 of the DMCA.
@@tinycoinfromholland1391 I assume you saw the responses I made to your comments before. Game dumping is legal and theres nothing you can do about it. Keep crying. 🤡
@tinycoinfromholland1391 I assume you saw the responses I made to your comments before. Game dumping is legal and theres nothing you can do about it. Keep crying. 🤡
@tinycoinfromholland1391 I assume you saw the responses I made to your comments before. Game dumping is legal and theres nothing you can do about it. Keep crying. 🤡
Remember that emulators are a great way to increase the amount of games people can play. Launching a new OS, just include a high level emulator for current Gen consoles so that gamers can play games on your OS without the developers officially supporting it.
Emulation is awesome! How else would we be able to play those precious old console and arcade games we invested so much time into when we were kids/teens, if there weren't emulators to bring back those games?!?
Remakes and remasters? Sure, go at it, but let us also play the original games in their original form, through emulators, everdrives, ODEs or whatever form we enjoy best!
I think what it comes down to is in the past companies like Nintendo and Sony didn't care about their back catalogue as much, but now they've realised they can monetise it by putting it behind a monthly subscription paywall they do. Hence Nintendo especially are willing to fight more to "protect" that, even if it's totally overbearing and doesn't gel with their family friendly image. It's especially shameful in cases where they're using emulators or parts of the code from them that are free under GPL and then they're monetising this, which actually violates the concept of GPL quite a bit.
What I find strange though, and I'm starting to think it's a generational thing, is how the attitude of regular people has also changed - "people are scared of doing this, really?" was my reaction when I found this out. It seems like certain portions of Gen Z have been more conditioned to respect big companies that don't respect them and to be scared of their potential power and reach although it'll probably never affect them. This was never the prevailing attitude when I was younger - if a company did scummy things, they were scummy, end of story. If you happened to pirate from a company like that, maybe it was a little satisfying where it wasn't previously.
In the past when I was a kid we thought nothing of copying cassette tapes of C64 games or using stuff like Xcopy on the Amiga to clone existing software. A common defence would be, well we couldn't afford every single game anyway so we're not making them lose a sale. Later on of course I legally bought a lot of games new and used, and indeed have a pretty big library bought from the Xbox, Nintendo and PlayStation stores so I still think that was fair. I still occasionally download games I own or have owned that someone has made a copy of which would be inconvenient for me to do so, or interesting example, some games I legally own digitally on the PS3 and Vita do not work for me when I use the legal copies. Sony isn't going to help me, are they, so I helped myself to "legal roms" in order to be able to play games I've owned for years that for whatever reason don't work.
To summarise this mini-essay of a comment, I think the world in general used to be aware that things exist in shades of grey; why a lot of people think everything is black or white, right or wrong in the current era is beyond me. Kowtowing to big companies out of fear is certainly not the answer though, because they'll double down on whatever scummy things they can get away with. It's important for people to push back against stuff like this; if everyone did it a bit more perhaps Disney wouldn't have been allowed to buy and ruin multiple classic IPs and the world would be a happier place.
Nah mate, your opinion is completely false. Stop defending the emulation community, the more people defend emulation the harder companies will clamp down in an effort to protect their ips, emulation is wrong and people just became aware of that. Just because you grew up in a time where people accepted emulation doesn't mean emulation is a good thing, if anything it is harmful due to the fact that emulation allows people to emulate current games which can kill a dev's motivation to make games because why make a game if people are just going to distribute your game without permission?
You can't have emulation without rom distribution being a thing, by idolizing emulation you prove that you support people using illegal roms.
@@tinycoinfromholland1391 An opinion is not a thing that can be true or false, I see your conception of how they work is completely wrong because your world view is so jaded and blinkered it's not even funny.
It's really sad you think you have the right to attack people over something like video game emulation, like you are entitled to it.
Show me the part where I said I "idolise ROMs". You're putting words in my mouth and/or making a strawman argument because the actual things I'm putting forward don't support your argument, which makes no sense at all.
Everybody accepts emulation, that's why there's loads of emulated games on Steam, Nintendo Store, PS Store.
Why are you defending developers so hard when it's clear from what you wrote you have almost no understanding of how they and the industry as a whole work?
I notice you still haven't commented on whether or not you think it's okay that free emulators made by developers under the GPL (do you know what that is?) are then taken by developers at other companies like Nintendo and then used to emulate their games which they then sell for profit on their stores? Does that seem right to you, that what other developers who loved certain systems made for free in their own time is then used to make money for someone else? I know you won't answer so I'll just keep asking to hammer home that point, over and over.
@@tinycoinfromholland1391 Corporate shill detected. How does the boot taste ?
@@TheZoroark007 ???
@@TheZoroark007 I think he's part corporate shill and part loony.
I'm surprised so many bought the corporate lie emulation is illegal. It is only a problem when you try to get copyrighted code. Technically, a lot of Xbox homebrew had to be fetched over think IRC as they were built using a leaked SDK.
Unfortunately there are many idiots out there that let nostalgia blind their judgement of game companies, allowing game companies to easily lie about this kind of stuff. Because after all: "The people who made my childhood games would never lie about this stuff for their own benefit. Right?"
I always use an emulator when I play my Atari 2600 games. There's so many games on the Atari 2600 that are just completely unplayable on modern TV's and monitors. Asteroids is one of them. Pac Man is another. Basically, any Atari game that uses flickering to allow for more than three sprites on the screen at the same time just don't work on modern flat screen TV's and monitors. They're unplayable. Modern TV's can't handle generating the flickering. I remember when I got my flat screen TV, I hooked my Atari 2600 up to it and put Asteroids in, and the asteroids were pretty much invisible. With Pac Man, the ghosts were invisible and non-existent. Using an emulator, it will display the things on the monitor properly. In my opinion, emulation is the ONLY way to play many Atari 2600 games now that CRT's are mostly gone. They're impossible to find now unless you get them used in heck knows what shape.
Fucking love Atari 2600. That thing was a beast
PREACH! I am a romhacker, and I would 100% use legal roms if I could, even going as far as requiring a checksum match to the version that was purchaseable.
That old CRT effect on retro graphics was real, man. I remember playing the Genesis Sonic games and being mesmerized by how detailed and 3D the sprites and levels seemed to be. So much so that when the Sonic Advance games came along (with their own technological advancements like the GBA's rotation support) it felt like a downgrade even though it was really just a shift in art style.