Wow that was an interesting statement! Thielemann said that "you have to look into their eyes. A conductor who doesn't look into their eyes or is not willing to do that is not a good conductor." But then what about a conductor like Karajan, one of the greatest conductors in history. He kept his eyes closed the whole time when conducting!
Beautifully done in spite of many long discursive footnotes. Lucid account of the Kappelmeister conception of conducting, a tradition that is in danger of disappearing as orchestras appoint increasingly young conductors without the training that derives from the discipline of apprenticeship.
Großartig. I am really enjoying this lecture. Thx for uploading. He is just one of the best living conducters. He was the one who showed me how beautiful Beethovens symphonies can be (with VPO). Before him I didnt conceive them.
Ein toller Vortrag! Als Thielemann-Fan ist es wirklich äußerst spannend ihn nicht nur als Kapellmeister zu erleben, sondern ihn auch mal reden zu hören! Allerdings denke ich, dass dieser Vortrag sehr schwer ist für alle Zuschauer, welche nicht Deutsch sprechen...(genauso wie dieser Kommentar!) :D
So interesting what he says about learning to breathe like a singer to learn conducting. In Brazil in 1886, a touring Italian opera company had no conductor for a performance of Aida after the local hired to conduct was forced out after a musicians revolt. Two replacements gave up and at that point the choir recommended the 19 year old asst. choir master, who knew the entire opera by heart. He was persuaded to take the baton at 9pm with no rehearsal and conducted the opera from memory. The performance was brilliant and the conductor so masterful that he was given the job. His name was Arturo Toscanini.
What a comprehensive 'tour d'horizon' what it takes to be good 'Kapellmeister' (ital.: maestro di capella). What Christian Thielemann did not explain why certain maestros (such as Nello Santi) conduct operas 'by hear', never referring to the partion and he apparently does not. But 'breathing' with the singers is very important to adjust the 'packing' (tempi) of the orchestra to the capacity of the singer's breating power. However, Christian Thielemann is obviously - he admitted it himself - 'infested by the Wagner virus'. And that 'contagion' reflects even when he is conduction Giacchino Rossini, one of the three stars of belcanto: Rossini-Bellini-Donizetti. Listen to the precision of his conduction the ouverture of 'Guillaume Tell' and yiou know what I mean. Thielemann was pupil of Herber von Karajan. Compare his conducting of the same piece. I feel that even Karajan hat also the 'teutonic precision virus', he really gets emotion of of the partition, which Thielemann in his Weidenfels speeach also considers the most important point of musical performances. Wagner fans have the habit of looking down on belcanto lovers. But Thielmann at the end of his speech has rightly remarked that conducting belcanto operas is also a very difficult task. As is conducting abny piece of music. Wagner and Strauss might be more 'difficult' for the 'general public' as they require intellectual 'willingness' to understand what the composer wants to communicate. As is the case of Benjamin Britten whose 'Turn of the Screw' I expecialy like. But don't forget: Even Wagner considered Bellini's 'Norma' as a masterpiece. Here's a link to Thielemann's Rossini ouverture: ua-cam.com/video/RWq8bIwdNhc/v-deo.html Bonne écoute.
"What can you do if the tenor one evening is just faster, you follow him, you don't kill him. You can do that, too, if you hate him, then you will not have him again, and so. Ja." - LMAO German humor at its best
What a wonderful lecture by Christian Thielemann, one of the best conductors in our time. ❤💯Enjoy it so much!!! Thank you for sharing❣
Genius of a conductor...and what an impressing human being he is, Thielemann...!
"Human being", nice modern term.
The Zeitgeist is a (mighty) demon. So are ideologies.
Wow that was an interesting statement! Thielemann said that "you have to look into their eyes. A conductor who doesn't look into their eyes or is not willing to do that is not a good conductor." But then what about a conductor like Karajan, one of the greatest conductors in history. He kept his eyes closed the whole time when conducting!
Karajan didn't do that all the time, there are also rehersals.
Beautifully done in spite of many long discursive footnotes. Lucid account of the Kappelmeister conception of conducting, a tradition that is in danger of disappearing as orchestras appoint increasingly young conductors without the training that derives from the discipline of apprenticeship.
Großartig. I am really enjoying this lecture. Thx for uploading.
He is just one of the best living conducters. He was the one who showed me how beautiful Beethovens symphonies can be (with VPO). Before him I didnt conceive them.
Hahaha! The Wagner disease made me literally laugh out loud at my desk.
Yes! The bug that bit me when I was a teenager! Couldn't live without it. :)
Wellcome to a life of illness!
Can confirm.
Ein toller Vortrag! Als Thielemann-Fan ist es wirklich äußerst spannend ihn nicht nur als Kapellmeister zu erleben, sondern ihn auch mal reden zu hören! Allerdings denke ich, dass dieser Vortrag sehr schwer ist für alle Zuschauer, welche nicht Deutsch sprechen...(genauso wie dieser Kommentar!) :D
Warum denken Sie dass dieser Vortrag sehr schwer sei für Leute die nicht deutsch sprechen?
Okay. Ich denke nun weiß ich was Sie meinen. Aber ich denke es ist nicht so tragisch. Einige wenige deutsche Worte die nicht übersetzbar sind.
So interesting what he says about learning to breathe like a singer to learn conducting. In Brazil in 1886, a touring Italian opera company had no conductor for a performance of Aida after the local hired to conduct was forced out after a musicians revolt. Two replacements gave up and at that point the choir recommended the 19 year old asst. choir master, who knew the entire opera by heart. He was persuaded to take the baton at 9pm with no rehearsal and conducted the opera from memory. The performance was brilliant and the conductor so masterful that he was given the job. His name was Arturo Toscanini.
So toll Christian …. Dank dir
What a comprehensive 'tour d'horizon' what it takes to be good 'Kapellmeister' (ital.: maestro di capella). What Christian Thielemann did not explain why certain maestros (such as Nello Santi) conduct operas 'by hear', never referring to the partion and he apparently does not. But 'breathing' with the singers is very important to adjust the 'packing' (tempi) of the orchestra to the capacity of the singer's breating power. However, Christian Thielemann is obviously - he admitted it himself - 'infested by the Wagner virus'. And that 'contagion' reflects even when he is conduction Giacchino Rossini, one of the three stars of belcanto: Rossini-Bellini-Donizetti. Listen to the precision of his conduction the ouverture of 'Guillaume Tell' and yiou know what I mean. Thielemann was pupil of Herber von Karajan. Compare his conducting of the same piece. I feel that even Karajan hat also the 'teutonic precision virus', he really gets emotion of of the partition, which Thielemann in his Weidenfels speeach also considers the most important point of musical performances. Wagner fans have the habit of looking down on belcanto lovers. But Thielmann at the end of his speech has rightly remarked that conducting belcanto operas is also a very difficult task. As is conducting abny piece of music. Wagner and Strauss might be more 'difficult' for the 'general public' as they require intellectual 'willingness' to understand what the composer wants to communicate. As is the case of Benjamin Britten whose 'Turn of the Screw' I expecialy like. But don't forget: Even Wagner considered Bellini's 'Norma' as a masterpiece. Here's a link to Thielemann's Rossini ouverture: ua-cam.com/video/RWq8bIwdNhc/v-deo.html Bonne écoute.
"If a conductor talks to much he loses the interest of the orchestra" Maestro that is so true, it becomes so unbelievably boring.
Christian Thielemann has good politics too. Hopefully more romantic gentiles aspire to be great like him.
We know where this leads!!! Oh Gawd!
@@worfsonofmogh1154 problem is it leads nowhere.
Augenöffnend. Zutiefst menschlich und lebensbejahend, ohne sentimental zu sein.
"What can you do if the tenor one evening is just faster, you follow him, you don't kill him. You can do that, too, if you hate him, then you will not have him again, and so. Ja." - LMAO German humor at its best
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Mostly old people in the audience, no wonder they say classical music is dying.
CVArts I observed the same and commented to a patron who said, they,vet been same the same thing for the last 50 years.
@@michaelharris3057 in my opinions, this kind of music begins to like so late...
CT is certainly no H v K or RK, Kna must be turning over in his grave.