in exo, sehun and kai are known to speak honestly as they are. that is why sometimes suho worried if they are both interviewed without being accompanied.
Like him or not, Taemin is still so adorkable when he talks on these programs. It's like he's embarrassed but trying to giggle through it, it's so stinking cute!
For people saying that Taemin “sugar-coated” his words, taemin is known for speaking with no filter too. He danced to girl group choreos so he knows the technical parts of her dance and pointed them out. Also, Taemin appreciates feminine movements and even incorporated them in his choreography just like in his song, “Move”
@@greeng6914 yes actually that was what taemin is trying to achieve when he made “Move.” To remove the boundary of the movements. I just termed it that way for explanation.
@@greeng6914 he wanted dances to be genderless because of that stereotype. He showed that there is no such thing as feminine or masculine movements because all dance styles are open for all genders. Korea is a conservative country so when he released “Move” it’s like he wanted to tell them that the border between what they see as feminine and masculine is nonexistent.
it's normal if Kai said that it didn't look tiring for him, because he saw it from his perspective as a boygroup member, and also most of SM groups have a difficult and tiring choreography so his standards are different
When being honest is also a crime What do these people expect Kai is the legendary main dancers he did the hardest choreos so from his perspective those dances arent as tiring...
Ikr, they asked him what he thought of the dance, he said it wasn't that had BECAUSE THEY DID MALE GROUP CHOREOGRAPHIES!! for a girl group dance it's insanely hard, but compared to exo's choreo it's stil hard but not thaat difficult. I love Yerin and Kai, but hating on him is :(
@@anonymous_1319 I'm NOT saying girls can't dance hard choreographies, I'm saying that *most* (not all) girl groups dance are *comparably* easier (as opposed to male choreographies). But girls can dance really well, just as well as males. I hope you understand :)
Kai was the first to comment "They have to turn a lot" so it means he appreciate that the choreo is indeed hard. And before he said it looks easy, he made an introduction by saying, "we do choreos for men..." meaning he has a different standard and he wants to clarify first what he meant.
Kai was just straightforward. While Taemin really analysed the dance and pointed out some technical details that the girl finds difficult to pick. This is why I love Taemin. He would understand your weakness and encourage you to do better. Give that choreography to a guy and see how he performs it. Some steps/moves may seem simple but it's hard when it's time to execute them.
@@syaasyaa5619 that's pretty a dumb opinion taemin just used technicality when he pointed the dance cuz he wasn't straightforward while kai just said it straight to everyone that it wasnt that hard even if he compared it to boygroups there are a lot of girlgroups that has harder choreo than what she showed it's the truth get over it people like you should just shut up when you know nothing about dancing contradict kai when you are better than him it's that easy :)
@@-_-3776 that's so dumb of you.. when kai gibe out his opinion all of you praise him.. meanwhile when taemin give out his opinion you said he is coating... where is the freedom of speech??you are the one who should shut up.. just admit they have different opinion and stop saying only kai's opinion matter.. i can only shut up if you post a dance cover of love whisper without any mistake.. only then i would shut up😂😂hahahhahah so funny of you only think kai's opinion is matter when they clearly give opinion.. and attack people who said kai is harsh
@@-_-3776 plus he just plainly compared to bg.. not a single damn world he said about other gg... he just saying "compared to bg" means he didn't go through the dance specifically
@@-_-3776 This is wrong. Just because someone is less talented than the individual they're criticising, it does not mean they don't know anything - especially when it's not even about his skills at dancing. Kai is very talented, yes, and I don't disagree with anything he said, nor do I hate his chosen words, but phrasing your critique in this way was unnecessary and rude. I do not need to be a master in a certain subject to judge things pertaining to that. I don't need to be the world's best dancer to know that Kai and Taemin are great at it. I know I'm being nitpicky, but I just wanted to point this out
Taemin is being so nice and polite and judging the dance from a girl's aspect and Kai goes all direct and said that he feels the dance to be not difficult at all..... Good I love this TaeKai pair....💖💖💜💜💞💞💚💚❣️❣️💛💛💟💟💙💙
yeah taemin literally analysis the techniques in the dance while kai goes through dance as whole and just compare the dance to bg that's why he think it's not tiring~
@Suga's grandpa dance Infired me so hard gg stans bash bgs as if they dont have it hard lmao, thats why i started bashing ggs, feminists ruin everything wbk
Why the hell only kai gets the hate??? The other idols were also saying that the dance was not that difficult/ tiring. Not saying they should get hate. None of them should get hate, including kai for their honest responds.
Snow Wee the way he said it make it sounds offensive. Because he started with the phrase, 'compared to boy group dances' its as if he is trying to explain and justify his point. Whether or not its the truth. If he just gave a quick reply in a witty manner e.g 'its not that good' it would have been funnier and people wouldnt have taken it too seriously. The others are comedians and so people are familiar with them and can accept it as a joke. For kai, its unfortunate and this is due to his lack of experience in variety shows
ohnimevol I agree. The fact is, Korea would look down on a girl group if they danced like boy groups. That doesn't mean Kai could degrade their efforts.
mark poge Kai didn't degrade their efforts tho. He just said it in his perspective as a main dancer of a boy group. Also, i think he just come along too with the teasing of other hosts. 😞
Crystal Xoxo It's not a big deal but I hope he can learn from his mistakes. One comment can create a disaster like this one. I'm an Exo-L but next time I won't be biased and I will drag them down to the dirt If I have to. I hope my fellow Exo-Ls can understand.
I am really proud of kai for speaking the truth in front of so many people and on a show. He gave honest opinion. And that's an opinion of one of the best dancers of kpop mind you. Rather than taking in a negative way people should appreciate him for speaking his mind. And for heaven's sake don't compare kai and taemin. Taemin is a person who will take positive things and motivate you and kai is a person who will tell your mistakes and motivate you. They are different persons. And both are kpop's best dancers.
He is not the best dancer in K-pop, kid, the most artistic one maybe, maybe but that's another type of dance. EXO movement are weak, so is BTS, so is the majority of nowaday boygroup, they're not really dancing, it's just moving to look like dancing, you can call that dancing but you need to distinguish that those dance move are far less demanding than the dance moves as such of TVXQ or 2PM. Girl groups dance never backed down from their previous difficulty, everytime there's a slide move while standing up straight, they're actually move their entire body weight using one leg because that knee has to sustain the weight throughout the body bending. Male group do slides while bowing down, that's easier because you don't move during the slides. Do some actual dancing. Don't be an idiot, kid.
Apurva Pradhan ignore the person below. they’ll keep replying with the same stupid and invalid shit that doesn’t and will never mean anything. don’t pay them any mind.
it could have been on older comments that are now buried by newer comments. like how this is 1 year old but there are a few 3 year old comments at the top.
*I seriously don't get why you guys were saying he was "rude" "disrespectful" and "said something wrong" all he was doing was saying his personal opinion (he was even clapping while she danced) and personally I think yerin exaggerated the choreography a bit plus kai wasn't the only one who said it wasn't hard so stop hating on just him gosh ppl these days* 😒
@Suga's grandpa dance Infired me so hard So blame yerin also for disrespecting other gg when their senior gg after school was there. Even other people said same thing about her but when kai said it like he is to be blamed.
I have to agree with Kai, majority of the girls groups dance are more towards being cute and sexy compared to the boy groups. I don't see what the big deal with all the hate he get.
The fact you all think that cute and sexy choreos are easy is... funny. You in fact have to control more your body and movements to make it look natural and not overdoing it. The movements may seem easier but the whole thing isn’t. Gfriend’q choreos are actually one of the hardest too for the gg
Well, it's a fact that dances of girl groups will be easier than boy groups. Men have more strenght, it's only natural to have a lot more powerful moves. He was just being honest, and that was my opinion too. That being said, gg dances can be complex too.
@@winhart9086 Sexy dances may be harder to do, but Korean girl groups sexy dances aren't even that sexy or hard. If you look at female back up dancers they do it better than the idols, and western artists and dancers sexy choreos are way harder than what they do. lets just face it, kpop girl dance groups dances aren't that hard to do, and its made that way so people can copy them. the facts she vomited and etc is because she's not eating or sleeping right.
That's very true, they lean more towards the cute side but when compared to the dances of boy groups like EXO and BTS it seems very easy since both BTS and EXO have dances that are truly tiring
yo but like, exo's choreography's actually pretty tiring, and Kai especially because he probably have much more expectations and would put more effort and energy into his dancing so that probably led him to say it wasn't that hard for that girl group. I mean, the guy can do ballet, contemporary and hip hop in them live performances ya' know what I'm saying?
Tbh I think she probably puked because of exhaustion and the strict diet they're put on... not proportionate to the energy required to practice singing and dancing? I do agree the part she danced doesn't look that hard, but I also agree that body condition plays a huge part in how we feel about the effort required, what she described sounds like when I pull all-nighters 😅 this whole thing was a mess tbvh it just left all those involved as open targets to their haters 😔🤜
@@Maltcandyxp this seems to be the only comment thread I can find with people who actually get what was trying to be said and pointed out, rather than just arguing over who's right/wrong & so forth.
Gfriend choreos are actually one of the hardest for the gg groups. This part may no have looked hard but look at the entire choreo. They have lot of jumps and shiftings that require stamina. It may not be as hard as exo’s choreo but it is. Anyway I think he said that to entertain as it’s a variety show
Win Hart i mean even if he's being honest, is it something that should've been taken as offensive?, he was giving his own opinion objectively based on his experience as a great male dancer. Yerin too, when saying such a statement in front of an audience that's consisted of her seniors (and great dancers) should've held back or rethink her wordings. Throwing out statements like that in front of professional dancers, what do you expect them to do when the dance itself is not as tiring as what the statement expect it to be?
khalishah ardya hmm I wasn’t attacking him or anything... Ofc he has his own opinion and I don’t mind lol. I also think he said that to entertain as it’s a show and all so yeah X) He has more experience in dance so maybe he doesn’t find this choreo or just part of this choreo tiring and all but she does that’s all!
why so much hate for kai?? he said nothing wrong and every one has their own opinions and others were also commenting then why only hate for kai?? I don't understand why so much hate for only him just chill haters
i think its more to do with the fact that he didn't necessarily have to undermine her story by saying that. its a bit like, what did he have to gain from saying that? he didn't move into another story or anything afterwards. he just said it. i agree it doesn't look that hard to do watching it. it doesn't look like she has to put a lot of effort into it, but a lot of dances are like that. ballet for example is designed to look as effortless as possible, but at this point everyone pretty much knows that ballet is one of the most gruelling dance styles out there. (on that note tho, that's probably why kai didn't think it was hard, because he's ballet trained, and nothing really compares to the intensity of ballet)
myfirstloveisgot7 onceahagasexol I agree with you... These haters needs a rest.. really..I'm an exo-l & also a hidden kard but if Kai says that their choreo is tougher than kard's choreo or he finds kards' dance easier, I wouldn't blame him..coz exo's dance is on an another level..they are known for their sharp dances..& Kai despite being a great dancer, he always practices & works hard..
@@labyrinth2881 girl, it was easy. please it’s embarrassing seeing people try to say that dance was hard 😬 taemin most likely sugarcoated as most idols tend to do.
Honestly with the amount of dieting these poor girls do I feel like even those simple dances are pretty hard to do. Now you might say that applies for the guys too, they actually have muscle and are very strong. The girls are not allowed to have that much muscle so I feel like Yerin's point is valid. The idols probably said that it was not that hard because they haven't experienced it before. (notice that im NOT BLAMING KAI ONLY).
actually male idols go through all that as well. they also have body image issues, theyre also pushed to diet, both by their companies and by the pressure they put on themselves. baekhyun currently thinks hes fat and should lose weight, when hes probably the skinniest hes ever been. minseok was put to diet i believe since prior to debuting. MANY male idols have fainted on stage, and off stage. the fact that they have muscle and work out (not all, even) doesnt keep them from being physically exhausted. having muscle doesnt save you from exhaustion
Guy's are hassled for weight alot too. Taemin's legs are around the same size of a thin girl's. Infinite's Sungjong had a 24 inch waist, he could wear After School Nana's dress. And she's a model. EXO during debut had some of the skinniest arms I've seen on guys. They both have a valid point, Gfriend dances are harder than math.
Yes, I do realize that and its absolutely horrible. But the guys have muscle and the girls don't have nearly as much. Even if they weigh the same that obviously means that the girls are a lot weaker. So the dances will generally obviously feel harder for the her. Maybe she was doing a very strict diet while learning that dance so she threw up even though it was supposedly easy.
Pranavi D. yea but for her to say that gf choreo is harder or diff than other gg is really too much even when her sunbaes r there too. I remember AF also have to diet for their Bang choreo, their outfits r two pieces so the belly would be shown. they had to make it tone and that too, dancing with a drum. Not only gf had it hard, others too & sometimes even harder but we don't see them complaining. Much Respect to Sunbaes
OTHERS WERE ALSO COMMENTING THAT THE DANCE STEP DOESN'T LOOK DIFFICULT EVEN LIZZY, WHY IS KAI THE ONLY ONE WHO GOT BASHED?! Seriously I just can't understand this absurd situation 😒
Dian Farhana 'cause he is a man so some women took it to their pride also he is famous so he naturally got some antis and antis won't let these things slip away to bash their target.
I agree that the other men - outside of Taemin - were dismissive of Yerin's opinion. The difference is that Kai specifically compared it to what men do and used that to discredit it. It does come off snotty and the reason most people probably came for Kai is because 1) he had a specific comment and 2) because they know and love Kai and don't like that he's downplaying the skill set that a woman brings to the table.
(This is a reply for the reply above) Of course he would compare it to bg dances. He's in a bg. I don't think he studies gg dances all day. Bg have more vigorous dancing so from his view point, gg dances require less "effort" for lack of a better word. (which imo it is) If I trained in martial arts for 10 years and some random person was like "what i do is really difficult, brace yourselves" and does a high kick, of course in my mind i'd be like "really? that's it?" The only thing he was downplaying was the girl's "hype". If she didn't go on about how hard the dance was he wouldn't have commented on how easy it looked.
Stating the truth does not make you a hater. Kai was stating the truth and buddies have to accept it because the rest were stating the same as well. If you were to do the pole dance like what Afterschool's done, what would you say to Yerin? THINK AND STOP HATING KAI.
leys ooh true! I mean they are at least telling her the truth that it's not that hard compared to others. She started that theirs is different to other girlgroups so they expected it's somewhat difficult. But naaah.
anirtac hmo Tell me about it! I've seen so many girl's groups doing such dance and to relate it with most difficult other than the rest is just another lame thing she had claimed. Afterschool and Orange caramel are no joke, I even watched how the members had struggled to do the pole dancing with bruises all over their bodies. But this yerin girl, omg, I can't help but to laugh. Though I ain't a dancer but I think through practices, we can just master it but to make your body looking like having a magnet on is super difficult. I think blackpink's dances are more complicated than hers.
AA Ting Ikr? Buddies are lacking of common sense. If everyone were to be the judges, many would claim that it isn't difficult as per stated. Let alone when it's a cute dance. Boy's groups dances (tho dance should not be related to gender but this is my opinion) are a lot difficult. With the stunts, doing the 'back flip' and stuffs, are they (Gfriend) going to do that? Surely they would cry ocean.
leys ooh hahahaha yasss me too. I think more girlgroup dances has more difficult dances than theirs. I almost laugh as she said theirs are harder. But i think she just underestimated her sunbaes. That's why lizzy commented and somewhat disrespected. Blackpink's is way too harder gfriend's i also wanna include sistar. They are even dancing with heels so there. I disagree with this yerin. And i salute jongin for being honest sunbae
leys ooh tbh gfriends dance aren't really hard they just require you to have strong stamina. Specially their recent dance, they jump and twirl around but that's about it.
I don't think Kai said anything wrong lol The host ask him, he just answer and its his opinion. He even said FOR HIM it doesn't look tiring since he dance to boy group. I guess there's more tiring dance for him than this. As for Taemin, I think hes think the same that's is not tiring lol He commented about the moves, agreed that could be hard. Hard and tiring could be different :) Well she compare to other gg aswell while there's other sitting there XD and then comparing start
I mean have you try to dance to Love Whisper. Up until now , even after their disband gfriend love Whisper is always chosen as the hardest choreography from GG
I think Yerin should be more considerate while many of her sunbaes is there and most of them are idols who have danced to difficult choreography, especially Lizzie. It's true that her group is on hiatus but Yerin was like complaining so they were like scolding in a funny way and that's fair. I really don't understand why people are bashing Kai for it as well. Watching a lot of variety shows, I know how straightforward attendants are, it's how it works.
Anh Thy Nguyen its variety and shes trying to be funny. She always do that on varieties. The issue about what kai said isnt about gfriend at all. Its about how he underestimated gg choreo in general.
yerin wouldn't complain if they didn't brought it up and with hard diats i guess it maks sense why shes tired of it gf r known for hard choreo and this recent choreo is the easiest true if its easy for lizzie doesn't mean its easy for everyone
tbh i think (this is all my opinion) yerin chose the wrong words to say. i do believe it could be very tiring especially after practicing those steps continuously for hours but claiming that it was harder than other girl groups is quite offensive i guess many guests were from girl groups and lizzy is from afterschool (the girls who danced with poles yes) but nevertheless, no kpop choreo is easy may it be for men or for women, may it be cutesy or powerful. + ill be seeing gfriend perform live soon yaaaay
exo has the best choreo ever thats why kai says so becoz he already experience a kind deferent choreo to perfect and also taemin they are both the best dancer in kpop
Have you all watched EXO's "Power" Live Stage Performance?? Kai did the spin the way best Ballerina would do. even better. Look! Ballerina is for a girl..And he did it well. Kai is real good at dancing since he was a kid. So maybe, he has a high standard of how a choreography can be called difficult even for a girl group. He is being honest. However, He was quite joking there. All people were joking to yerin there. So stop hating on kai!
I am a girl and a pro dancer, and my reaction to Yerin was the same as Kai's...It's not meant to offend her, it is just our opinion... Why is Taemin so cute oh my gawd
when yerin danced, i imagine all the boy groups saying "awww that's cute" but seriously gfriend's dances are heavy on footwork so i understand how it can be really tiring but i think yerin has to take care of herself more so she can pull off any choreo without much trouble
Ayeska Emilly kai's comment is sexist? because he said, that he do choreography for men? that's not sexist, that's just true i don't know any kpop girl group that has choreography as hard as boy groups
Between Kai and Taemin, I'm a Kai. I dont sugarcoat that shit 😂😂 lets be real, we've seen harder girl group dances. Hoobaes need to work harder than their Sunbaes because it was obvious that Lizzy was like, "you call that hard" in a nicer way.
kash4shoes well maybe taemin knows girl group dances are hard on their own bc he has danced them before since debut and he has also worked with female choreographers. also, it's not called sugarcoating but being respectful and aware of ur surroundings. the MCs were already giving her shit and kai just made it worse lmao. he said that bc he doesn't know much about the techniques used unlike taemin who observed the choreo closely. he could have just said "it doesn't look difficult" instead of bringing in girl group/boy group. how is that relevant? dance is dance.
Even Gfriend other song choreos are harder than that one tbh. I think he made the distinction between "male/female choreography because it's what he knows, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know about technique, Jongin is classically trained he knows his shit 😂
odd eye nah it don't matter if Taemin danced to female choreo or not. If you know Taemin you would know that he gives compliments. Even the thing that he commented on about her neck and whatever I didn't even see her do. So I don't know what he was trying to refer to. Btw Kai is a well trained dancer and he quite knows his sh*t. The dance was easy and it shouldn't be hard to admit it. Even Lizzy stepped in to make a point that Afterschool (her group) has harder dances then hers. Gfriend's dances are typically not hard, hey just require good stamina.
Taemin doesn't really sugarcoat things, he's actually really honest too and that has caused him some problems in the past because he says things before thinking well (not enough to become scandals but still)... He's just really nice and maybe just felt like complimenting her since the mcs were being kind of rude to her, but yeah, he's definitely not a sugarcoater.
2:58 I think there's nothing wrong about what Kai said. He didn't say anything wrong about the choreography, he just said that it's easy to dance for him (knowing that his the EXO's dancing machine)
People need to understand that the dance that girl did was hard for girls because we have all these things that could make it difficult to dance this dance but when a boy sees it and dance it you can see that he dances the dance with no distractions like heels and mini skirt so I myself can see were kai is coming from but I can see were some in the comment are coming from. This is just my opinion 😃.
My two cents on the whole dancing matter: - First of all, beginning the story with "we threw up while dancing this coreography" was unfourtunate. I don't doubt that they did, but considering how idols schedules are they probably hadn't eaten or slept sufficiently meaning they were low on energy, as well as having to practice this exact choreo for x number of hours. Of course you would then want to throw up, that doesn't mean that the choreo in itself makes you want to do so every single time you perform it. - Secondly, I'm not a dancer and has no knowledge regarding what is considered difficult or not, but it is true that GFriends choreo has alot bigger movements (arms, legs, jumps etc) than other girl groups - which can be the reason why they're dubbed as powerful and difficult. - Generally girl- and boygroups' dances are different in style. The girls are often supposed to be cute or sexy, none of these equals big and fast dance moves (which boygroups dances often include). Other than that ALL DANCING is physically tiring, it gets your heart pumping and blood flowing so to say that one type of dance is easier than another might be correct BUT it does not by any means mean that you won't get tired from doing it. - What the companies and fans want from their respective group also differs depending on the gender. The boys can preferably be muscular while the girls should be thin. Of course that will reflect on your muscle mass, the amount of food you get to eat as well as how much energy/power you can put into the choreo. - Finally: Yerin handled the situation very well by being able to make everyone laugh instead ("Oh, is it not tiring?"). Taemin was very good in his response, which in my opinion truly shows that he's danced for many years but is also used to the variety stage, in explaining that the dance moves might not be big and powerful but there were alot of technical details in every part of the dance that you have to master. Then there is Kai. He obviously could've phrased himself better and given a softer impression while he said it, but that comes down to variety exposure (in addition, I think that he, as well as everybody else in the audience, were disappointed by the level of cuteness in the dance since they expected something like a cardio pass). Yep, this turned into an essay. If anybody is knowledgeable in dance could they point me to some kpop dances that are considered difficult (technically or physically)? The kpop scene holds a much higher aptitude than the western singers and I've grown used to the skill that they're showing.
I really agree with your opinion. Both groups have hard choreography's, but I'm worried about Exo-ls being able to stop this and blaming everything on Yerin. Buddies stop already, so I'm getting really annoyed from them.
In regards of the dances that are considered hard, i would point out, in the first place, After School's First Love. They spent months practicing pole dance for those stages, and ended up covered in bruises. For boygroups, the first one that comes to mind is SHINee's Lucifer. It's extremely fast paced and intrincate and when you try to learn it you get the sequence but you just dont have enough time to get your limbs to do the thing? Much less make it look good. Its possible of course, its just... a hard one. Also, -i'm not too sure about this one, as I didnt see it as difficult personally, but I just remembered Yeri from Red Velvet said she hated the dance to Rookie because it was very hard to sing while dancing. It's probably tiring as its very fast paced, though not as difficult techincally speaking.
If you read closely, I think she said they were more tiring than other gg choreos, not harder. She wasn't talking about technical aspects. She was talking about being tired from the dance, which could be due to a number of factors (ie: position changes, her having more lines during the more difficult parts of the dance, etc)
yep. it would be easier for girls to do tough dance routines if they we're allowed to be a little bit muscular (abs, toned arms/legs) but they aren't allowed to be that way so they have to do cute dances and starve themselves... And girls menstruate so i think it's better to just have cute dance because it would be easier to dance when you're on your periods (if you have painful periods).
Okay, but Buddies have nothing to do with hating on Kai, we were simply defending Yerin. Those hating on Kai are just anti's from either different fandoms because it ain't us.
Let me get this straight, Yerin said that their choreography was sooo hard that she nearly vomited. When asking Taemin's opinion he humbly said that yeah, from his perspective the'res some technical difficulties. Then After School members were saying that their choreography was harder( one of them even said that their lips turned blue) and advised Yerin that maybe the way she feels is because of her health. She needs to work out to lose her muscles. Then Kai was ASKED for his opinion so he said "As he does men's choreography it didn't seem hard to him" which was highlighted. Now the issue is ya'll are calling Kai a misogynist, sexist and what not, all because the guy said that the choreography didn't seem hard to him. I agree that maybe, he could've worded it out better but that doesn't mean he should be hated on like this. Let's just acknowledge it now, ya'll are calling him out only because he's an EXO member because if that wasn't the case you guys would be mad at others too( Not saying anybody should be hated on INCLUDING KAI) for not agreeing with Yerin.
This things are kinda old but yeah , Im so enough of seeing people hating Kai for this . It's normal tho , he deserves to give his opinions too. What do you expect him to say "ahh , that must be exhausting" something like that ? He just said something based on what he saw . It's not rude tho , it's normal cause we're talking about variety shows here . Get a life come on . Just because you felt what he did was wrong in your eyes , doesn't mean he really did . People has different opinions. Im not defending him as a fan but im talking about how he deserves to say his thoughts just like anyone else . You can't make everyone to have same thoughts ,God.
Well i hate this video for using kai's and Taemin's name just for fans to watched it even they only showed at the very end of the video for just few seconds. I must say again antis always finding a way to put dirt on any exo's member or anything related to exp. There's nothing wrong for what kai's opinion. GUYS DID YOUR SCHOOL TEACH YOU THAT EVERY OPINIONS AND SUGGESTIONS ARE RIGHT AND NOTHING IS WRONG WHEN SAYING AN OPINION? GOSH
Shahir Ali i must say that i agree, but hate is quite a strong word, and lets face it most of the people on youtube use clickbait, we dont need to be surprised anymore😂
You're right, but at the same time, Taemin said that not just because he is understanding and kind but because he's just way more experienced than Kai, too, especially with "feminine" dance moves and because of that, also has a lot of respect for "female" choreography. Kai was being ignorant because he doesn't have nearly as much knowledge. Taemin was also more thoughtful because he looked at it from Yerin's perspective.
Poor Yerin, some of them were so disrespectful towards her. Even if she would have done the entire choreography, they still wouldn't have grasped how difficult it really is because all the other members are missing and not performing with her. At least Taemin understood because of his experience and respect for female dancers, explaining the steps and everything, instead of insulting Yerin. It's moments like these that really show which people know what they're talking about and which don't. This made me respect and support him and SHINee even more. Gfriend&SHINee, fighting!
they were disrespectful because she had the gall to call that dance hard in front of people like Izzy and Sunmi who have danced waaayy harder choreo. gfriend have harder choreo than this, don’t get me wrong. but her calling this choreo hard was cringey and lowkey disrespectful.
@@tuopsy bruh what? 💀 if she finds it hard that’s her honest opninion, even Taemin said it himself that there were some hard pieces in the choreo/footwork. just because other groups have more difficult choreography’s doesn’t mean she isn’t aloud to find it hard.
from a dancing perspective, i can say that the choreography that yerin did was quite hard. the spins that she did were very detailed and being able to move your entire body at the same time must have taken a long time to practice. i think the largest difference between boy and girl group dances is that boys usually have bigger steps in their movement and do footwork mostly, and girls focus on their entire body, doing things with much smaller, but defining detail.
From a dancer perspective of many years most girl dances including Gfriends is really not hard at all. I understand it can be for inexperienced beginner dancers but for example me, I have been dancing since I was 4. The dances comes so easy and don't over think the moves and body focus. When you've been dancing for so long and enjoy it, it really isn't a problem and comes pretty much naturally. The synchronization also isn't hard at all. Its quite easy when you have people who are actually trying to dance and become better and people with experience. You just remember the counts and have to know the choreograph.
@@persephionie7412 at least I haven't seen any other girl group who come close to gfriend's synchronization. so you're saying you're better than all those dancers? those spins and turns requires balance and control, on top of that they have to do it in an elegant and graceful way, which isn't something you could achieve. synchronizing with 5 other people while spinning and jumping continuously is hard.
I agree with kai too cuz boy groups have powerful and fast choreographies so of course their standards to the word “tiring” is really different but taemin answered in the perspective of a woman so that’s why he understood that it was tiring for her
when i first heard about kai and yerin, i was like "what's wrong with kai?" but when I watched this video, it's obviously nothings wrong. they just give their own opinion😂 - p/s: i'm buddy and exol. don't get me wrong✌
Omg me too i'm a buddy and an exo l and i don't see what's wrong kai wasn't the only one who gave an opinion about the dance but the hate is all on kai i don't really know why kai is only getting all the hate. People just over reacts things like this.
wonutae fav I'm neither a buddy nor an exo-l but even I think that the people clearly overreacted, the Girl group member presented her dance and Kai just judged it from his own experience, which is not a crime.
Well I'm sorry but I actually agree with Kai and the others. It doesn't mean the dance wasn't hard for Yerin. But it really doesn't look difficult to me. And I love Kai for being down to earth like that... lolz even between him and Taemin... He seems really down to earth. They're both lovely guys. Taemin is being really nice here.
It's just Taemin wanted to be called as "Hyung" by Kai bc he is 5 months older than him😂😭 But they have been bff for over 13 years now. They even though they were going to debut in a same group at the first and after decade they debut together in SuperM🥰❤
@@thedemontheangel4308 ofcourse I am a loser. I am spamming the comment section with truths and facts. Spitting the truth is irking you and I am enjoying it. Lol 😂 Agreeing to what you said but it is not gonna change the fact that Taemin is biggest LOSER ever. Does people even know him outside his fandom ? NO. Simply saying Taemin and Kai are the best is not gonna change any facts. People might not even know Who Taemin and Kai is. Even if people come to know who they are, there is going to be none who agree that they are the best. Taemin is a trans...r and Kai is st...r Rofl 🤣
@@taleriom6807 What you're claiming has literally zero to do with facts or the truth. Fact is, Taemin is known as the best dancer in K-pop and the Michael Jackson of Korea and Kai is known as one of the best. The majority consider both of them better than Jimin. Taemin is in the top 10 of the most successful solo artists, so obviously people know and love him. Stop trying to drag him just because you're pressed over the fact that people like him more than your bias, Jimin, same with Kai, it's not their fault they're more acknowledged than Jimin. If you want Jimin to be acknowledged more, dragging others down isn't the way to go. All Jimin has to do is become a better dancer, if he can't do that, then that's just how it is. Learn the difference between androgynous and transgender, and I don't even know what "st...r" is supposed to mean. Honestly, it seems like you actually like Taemin and are just in denial, considering how obsessed you are with him, kinda like how homophobes are often closeted homosexuals. Just admit you have a massive boner for him, it's quite obvious at this point anyway.
@@thedemontheangel4308 Taemin is the fake Michael Jackson. He just Tries to replicate MJ in music and dance. That is not called as talent or best. He doesn’t even have his own style or name to make on his own. There is always only one MJ and MJ is MJ. He doesn’t even have any talents this standout and copying like a child copying his homework from A grade student. Lol... Jimin has his own style and he gets more love, fame and money from the whole world. So I am not pressed here. I am just spitting the truth that Kai and Taemin are so much low but their stupid fans are fighting over who is best.
As a Taemin fan.... why does it make me happy when they decide to consult a dancing expert at 2:43... and immediately turn to Taemin? I don't know why this one small thing makes me smile.... I guess just the acknowledgement that out of everyone in the room, even including Kai, he is without question or debate the best? It makes my fangirl heart flutter a little (even though this is just a variety show.... Oh well! ❤️ Taemin!)
HAA!!! HAAAAAA!!! HA!!! god thats so funny 😂 Edit: i mean kai has his own opinions so why hate exactly? and why is Taemin and Kai so cute when they’re together
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in exo, sehun and kai are known to speak honestly as they are. that is why sometimes suho worried if they are both interviewed without being accompanied.
kurrota show 😂really?
Not just them but Kyungsoo too. Among the members, he's the most honest. Sehun on the other hand is savage
Not really looks honest. He is the type who just speaks his mind.
Kai said he didn't like Ellen at all! And it was his debut on western TV! He definitely don't hold back his opinions when being asked...
@@Gabriela-fp8wz can you just send me the link in which interview he said that...
Like him or not, Taemin is still so adorkable when he talks on these programs. It's like he's embarrassed but trying to giggle through it, it's so stinking cute!
trogdorthe8th and he blinks so much when he's nervous or finds something funny haha
Totally, "A'dork'able."
Cringe
I think the title go wrong..in fact they are quite close right now..good friends to each others..
don’t forget that blinking eyes😂
For people saying that Taemin “sugar-coated” his words, taemin is known for speaking with no filter too. He danced to girl group choreos so he knows the technical parts of her dance and pointed them out. Also, Taemin appreciates feminine movements and even incorporated them in his choreography just like in his song, “Move”
Also, gfriend choreos are hard. Try dancing to them while being in perfect sync with the other members. Good luck.
@@greeng6914 yes actually that was what taemin is trying to achieve when he made “Move.” To remove the boundary of the movements. I just termed it that way for explanation.
@@greeng6914 yeah he actully did promote what you are talking about...
@@greeng6914 he wanted dances to be genderless because of that stereotype. He showed that there is no such thing as feminine or masculine movements because all dance styles are open for all genders. Korea is a conservative country so when he released “Move” it’s like he wanted to tell them that the border between what they see as feminine and masculine is nonexistent.
@@greeng6914 objective there is no feminine move, but if we look at society’s classification then you can say it’s a feminine move
Taemin is so nice 🤗😚
Lavendova i
we love a kind hearted man
Lavendova wait kai and taemin aren't brothers ??? Wtf 😱😱
Lavendova
Min yoongi's SWAG lol, they aren't, but are good friends :)
Taemin has an angelic personality, so thats why he can see a positive thing from other person
If you're looking for Taemin and Kai's part only, it's @ 9:37
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it's normal if Kai said that it didn't look tiring for him, because he saw it from his perspective as a boygroup member, and also most of SM groups have a difficult and tiring choreography so his standards are different
When being honest is also a crime
What do these people expect Kai is the legendary main dancers he did the hardest choreos so from his perspective those dances arent as tiring...
Ikr, they asked him what he thought of the dance, he said it wasn't that had BECAUSE THEY DID MALE GROUP CHOREOGRAPHIES!! for a girl group dance it's insanely hard, but compared to exo's choreo it's stil hard but not thaat difficult. I love Yerin and Kai, but hating on him is :(
@@wannableishere1156 majority of male group dances are made up by female choreographers though so what's your point???
@@anonymous_1319 I'm NOT saying girls can't dance hard choreographies, I'm saying that *most* (not all) girl groups dance are *comparably* easier (as opposed to male choreographies). But girls can dance really well, just as well as males. I hope you understand :)
Exactly
Kai was the first to comment "They have to turn a lot" so it means he appreciate that the choreo is indeed hard.
And before he said it looks easy, he made an introduction by saying, "we do choreos for men..." meaning he has a different standard and he wants to clarify first what he meant.
Kai was just straightforward. While Taemin really analysed the dance and pointed out some technical details that the girl finds difficult to pick. This is why I love Taemin. He would understand your weakness and encourage you to do better. Give that choreography to a guy and see how he performs it. Some steps/moves may seem simple but it's hard when it's time to execute them.
yep fr!! some movement looks easy by rough eyes but requires complicated techniques ~ he analyse the dance~ while kai compare the dance to bg
@@syaasyaa5619 that's pretty a dumb opinion taemin just used technicality when he pointed the dance cuz he wasn't straightforward while kai just said it straight to everyone that it wasnt that hard even if he compared it to boygroups there are a lot of girlgroups that has harder choreo than what she showed it's the truth get over it people like you should just shut up when you know nothing about dancing contradict kai when you are better than him it's that easy :)
@@-_-3776 that's so dumb of you.. when kai gibe out his opinion all of you praise him.. meanwhile when taemin give out his opinion you said he is coating... where is the freedom of speech??you are the one who should shut up.. just admit they have different opinion and stop saying only kai's opinion matter.. i can only shut up if you post a dance cover of love whisper without any mistake.. only then i would shut up😂😂hahahhahah so funny of you only think kai's opinion is matter when they clearly give opinion.. and attack people who said kai is harsh
@@-_-3776 plus he just plainly compared to bg.. not a single damn world he said about other gg... he just saying "compared to bg" means he didn't go through the dance specifically
@@-_-3776 This is wrong. Just because someone is less talented than the individual they're criticising, it does not mean they don't know anything - especially when it's not even about his skills at dancing. Kai is very talented, yes, and I don't disagree with anything he said, nor do I hate his chosen words, but phrasing your critique in this way was unnecessary and rude. I do not need to be a master in a certain subject to judge things pertaining to that. I don't need to be the world's best dancer to know that Kai and Taemin are great at it. I know I'm being nitpicky, but I just wanted to point this out
Taemin is being so nice and polite and judging the dance from a girl's aspect and Kai goes all direct and said that he feels the dance to be not difficult at all..... Good I love this TaeKai pair....💖💖💜💜💞💞💚💚❣️❣️💛💛💟💟💙💙
yeah taemin literally analysis the techniques in the dance while kai goes through dance as whole and just compare the dance to bg that's why he think it's not tiring~
@@syaasyaa5619 even Lizzy from after school said that it's not that hard too, so why does Kai is the who's getting hate?
@@jaehyuniversity then why taemin got all the hate when he said it's quite complicated from his pov..
@@besomebaddies7456 then i'm not hating kai.. then why he saying kai got the hate? when literally all yerin taemin n kai got hate?
@@besomebaddies7456 i'm not even saying IT'S KAI FAULT. THEN WHY HE ASSUMED ME SAYING KAI GOT HATE??YOU WTF?QIBAI
for people who were hating on what Kai said.....i totally agreed with him. and I think he just said what we were all low-key thinking
Edith Andisi I know right , why would they even ask one of the best dancer of kpop🤔
@Suga's grandpa dance Infired me so hard delusional gg stan
@Suga's grandpa dance Infired me so hard ofc, cause they dont have it harder, they have it easier, because of female privilege
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Female privilege? In the Kpop industry? Are you joking?
@Suga's grandpa dance Infired me so hard gg stans bash bgs as if they dont have it hard lmao, thats why i started bashing ggs, feminists ruin everything wbk
Why the hell only kai gets the hate??? The other idols were also saying that the dance was not that difficult/ tiring. Not saying they should get hate. None of them should get hate, including kai for their honest responds.
Snow Wee the way he said it make it sounds offensive. Because he started with the phrase, 'compared to boy group dances' its as if he is trying to explain and justify his point. Whether or not its the truth. If he just gave a quick reply in a witty manner e.g 'its not that good' it would have been funnier and people wouldnt have taken it too seriously. The others are comedians and so people are familiar with them and can accept it as a joke. For kai, its unfortunate and this is due to his lack of experience in variety shows
mark poge well yerin was being disrespectful to other girl groups too just sayin
ohnimevol I agree. The fact is, Korea would look down on a girl group if they danced like boy groups. That doesn't mean Kai could degrade their efforts.
mark poge Kai didn't degrade their efforts tho. He just said it in his perspective as a main dancer of a boy group. Also, i think he just come along too with the teasing of other hosts. 😞
Crystal Xoxo It's not a big deal but I hope he can learn from his mistakes. One comment can create a disaster like this one. I'm an Exo-L but next time I won't be biased and I will drag them down to the dirt If I have to. I hope my fellow Exo-Ls can understand.
I am really proud of kai for speaking the truth in front of so many people and on a show. He gave honest opinion. And that's an opinion of one of the best dancers of kpop mind you. Rather than taking in a negative way people should appreciate him for speaking his mind. And for heaven's sake don't compare kai and taemin. Taemin is a person who will take positive things and motivate you and kai is a person who will tell your mistakes and motivate you. They are different persons. And both are kpop's best dancers.
He is not the best dancer in K-pop, kid, the most artistic one maybe, maybe but that's another type of dance. EXO movement are weak, so is BTS, so is the majority of nowaday boygroup, they're not really dancing, it's just moving to look like dancing, you can call that dancing but you need to distinguish that those dance move are far less demanding than the dance moves as such of TVXQ or 2PM. Girl groups dance never backed down from their previous difficulty, everytime there's a slide move while standing up straight, they're actually move their entire body weight using one leg because that knee has to sustain the weight throughout the body bending.
Male group do slides while bowing down, that's easier because you don't move during the slides.
Do some actual dancing.
Don't be an idiot, kid.
Apurva Pradhan ignore the person below. they’ll keep replying with the same stupid and invalid shit that doesn’t and will never mean anything. don’t pay them any mind.
@@markarmage3776 lol 😆 funny. Let's laugh ahaha
@@markarmage3776 You're really funny.
@@PCVP4729 No, pal, you are misguided
I am the only one who sees everone saying "stop hating"and cannot find any comment which
hated him
Ikr!!!! Can't find any
Hahaha yeah. Most of the comments say that but I can't find any hating comments unless on reply section where they start doing the debates 🤣
Same though HAHAHAHAHA
He must have been criticised on twitter or ig
it could have been on older comments that are now buried by newer comments. like how this is 1 year old but there are a few 3 year old comments at the top.
taemin is so kind and sweet!
*I seriously don't get why you guys were saying he was "rude" "disrespectful" and "said something wrong" all he was doing was saying his personal opinion (he was even clapping while she danced) and personally I think yerin exaggerated the choreography a bit plus kai wasn't the only one who said it wasn't hard so stop hating on just him gosh ppl these days* 😒
The only problem is yerin' weakness
@@lalaland6181 like what difference?
@@lalaland6181 bruh quit being so sensitive it's not a big deal
@@lalaland6181 im a girl i dont find whats wrong with what he said. Lmao. Its his own perspective. 🙄😌
@Suga's grandpa dance Infired me so hard So blame yerin also for disrespecting other gg when their senior gg after school was there. Even other people said same thing about her but when kai said it like he is to be blamed.
I have to agree with Kai, majority of the girls groups dance are more towards being cute and sexy compared to the boy groups. I don't see what the big deal with all the hate he get.
@Suga's grandpa dance Infired me so hard you think men can keep being that skinny like idols without diets? Lol. They all diet
The fact you all think that cute and sexy choreos are easy is... funny. You in fact have to control more your body and movements to make it look natural and not overdoing it. The movements may seem easier but the whole thing isn’t. Gfriend’q choreos are actually one of the hardest too for the gg
Well, it's a fact that dances of girl groups will be easier than boy groups. Men have more strenght, it's only natural to have a lot more powerful moves. He was just being honest, and that was my opinion too. That being said, gg dances can be complex too.
@@winhart9086 Sexy dances may be harder to do, but Korean girl groups sexy dances aren't even that sexy or hard. If you look at female back up dancers they do it better than the idols, and western artists and dancers sexy choreos are way harder than what they do.
lets just face it, kpop girl dance groups dances aren't that hard to do, and its made that way so people can copy them.
the facts she vomited and etc is because she's not eating or sleeping right.
That's very true, they lean more towards the cute side but when compared to the dances of boy groups like EXO and BTS it seems very easy since both BTS and EXO have dances that are truly tiring
And Kai was only being honest tho,and nothing's wrong with that!!!
edit: its been a year but i legit got goosebumps when i saw the likes 😂
Myles Odi people made it a big deal bc it's an exo member and people will take every chance they get to hate on exo
euphemism sai
yes that is so true
Myles Odi ii
İ agree with him btw
Myles Odi lol, Taemin was like that before, and he knows how to react better now since he have more activities along, they are just too honest
yo but like, exo's choreography's actually pretty tiring, and Kai especially because he probably have much more expectations and would put more effort and energy into his dancing so that probably led him to say it wasn't that hard for that girl group. I mean, the guy can do ballet, contemporary and hip hop in them live performances ya' know what I'm saying?
Tbh I think she probably puked because of exhaustion and the strict diet they're put on... not proportionate to the energy required to practice singing and dancing? I do agree the part she danced doesn't look that hard, but I also agree that body condition plays a huge part in how we feel about the effort required, what she described sounds like when I pull all-nighters 😅 this whole thing was a mess tbvh it just left all those involved as open targets to their haters 😔🤜
@@Maltcandyxp this seems to be the only comment thread I can find with people who actually get what was trying to be said and pointed out, rather than just arguing over who's right/wrong & so forth.
Gfriend choreos are actually one of the hardest for the gg groups. This part may no have looked hard but look at the entire choreo. They have lot of jumps and shiftings that require stamina. It may not be as hard as exo’s choreo but it is. Anyway I think he said that to entertain as it’s a variety show
Win Hart i mean even if he's being honest, is it something that should've been taken as offensive?, he was giving his own opinion objectively based on his experience as a great male dancer. Yerin too, when saying such a statement in front of an audience that's consisted of her seniors (and great dancers) should've held back or rethink her wordings. Throwing out statements like that in front of professional dancers, what do you expect them to do when the dance itself is not as tiring as what the statement expect it to be?
khalishah ardya hmm I wasn’t attacking him or anything... Ofc he has his own opinion and I don’t mind lol. I also think he said that to entertain as it’s a show and all so yeah X)
He has more experience in dance so maybe he doesn’t find this choreo or just part of this choreo tiring and all but she does that’s all!
Kai is a honest man like he literally has no mask! Thats what l like and also what he said wasn’t even rude. He said through his perspective alri
right! he didnt say the dance wasnt tiring, he said it didnt look tiring to HIM as in it wouldnt be tiring for him to do. whichh is the truth.
When you realize the reason Samuel knows the dance is bc he used to be in pledis and Seventeen always danced to it
unsocial butterfly When I saw him dancing I got all emotional.
unsocial butterfly
Wait he was in seventeen!?
JIMIN YOU GOT NO JAMS yes, when he was 10/11
JIMIN YOU GOT NO JAMS he was a pledis trainee but he didnt debut with them
why so much hate for kai??
he said nothing wrong and every one has their own opinions and others were also commenting then why only hate for kai??
I don't understand why so much hate for only him
just chill haters
ikr he just giving his opinion its also don't look that hard
i think its more to do with the fact that he didn't necessarily have to undermine her story by saying that. its a bit like, what did he have to gain from saying that? he didn't move into another story or anything afterwards. he just said it.
i agree it doesn't look that hard to do watching it. it doesn't look like she has to put a lot of effort into it, but a lot of dances are like that. ballet for example is designed to look as effortless as possible, but at this point everyone pretty much knows that ballet is one of the most gruelling dance styles out there. (on that note tho, that's probably why kai didn't think it was hard, because he's ballet trained, and nothing really compares to the intensity of ballet)
yehetstyle Kai was being frank guys... He just said that since he himself performs critical dances, he found this easy..
myfirstloveisgot7 onceahagasexol I agree with you... These haters needs a rest.. really..I'm an exo-l & also a hidden kard but if Kai says that their choreo is tougher than kard's choreo or he finds kards' dance easier, I wouldn't blame him..coz exo's dance is on an another level..they are known for their sharp dances..& Kai despite being a great dancer, he always practices & works hard..
a . j a e excuse im sure you can't
taemin is kindhearted so humble and sweet❤
he is just perfect 😍😍
Kai and Taemin are so cute when they get shy !!♥♥
Kai never said the choreography was easy but it just didn’t look difficult to him because his choreography is usually way more complex.
didn't look difficult to him but looked tough to taemin, and it's the hardest cover dita (dance studio main dancer) had ever done. okay.
@@labyrinth2881 girl calm down. just because it looked difficult to taemin it doesn't have to look difficult for kai.
@@labyrinth2881 literally everyone was like "this is not enough to make you throw up" "this doesn't seem very hard"
but to be fair,,, it was pretty easy 🤷♀️
@@labyrinth2881 girl, it was easy. please it’s embarrassing seeing people try to say that dance was hard 😬 taemin most likely sugarcoated as most idols tend to do.
Honestly with the amount of dieting these poor girls do I feel like even those simple dances are pretty hard to do. Now you might say that applies for the guys too, they actually have muscle and are very strong. The girls are not allowed to have that much muscle so I feel like Yerin's point is valid. The idols probably said that it was not that hard because they haven't experienced it before. (notice that im NOT BLAMING KAI ONLY).
actually male idols go through all that as well. they also have body image issues, theyre also pushed to diet, both by their companies and by the pressure they put on themselves. baekhyun currently thinks hes fat and should lose weight, when hes probably the skinniest hes ever been. minseok was put to diet i believe since prior to debuting. MANY male idols have fainted on stage, and off stage. the fact that they have muscle and work out (not all, even) doesnt keep them from being physically exhausted. having muscle doesnt save you from exhaustion
Guy's are hassled for weight alot too. Taemin's legs are around the same size of a thin girl's. Infinite's Sungjong had a 24 inch waist, he could wear After School Nana's dress. And she's a model. EXO during debut had some of the skinniest arms I've seen on guys. They both have a valid point, Gfriend dances are harder than math.
Yes, I do realize that and its absolutely horrible. But the guys have muscle and the girls don't have nearly as much. Even if they weigh the same that obviously means that the girls are a lot weaker. So the dances will generally obviously feel harder for the her. Maybe she was doing a very strict diet while learning that dance so she threw up even though it was supposedly easy.
Pranavi D. yea but for her to say that gf choreo is harder or diff than other gg is really too much even when her sunbaes r there too. I remember AF also have to diet for their Bang choreo, their outfits r two pieces so the belly would be shown. they had to make it tone and that too, dancing with a drum. Not only gf had it hard, others too & sometimes even harder but we don't see them complaining. Much Respect to Sunbaes
I definitely agree. Mad respect to them. They probably had a very hard time doing it.
I like how taemin is so thoughtful with his opinions unlike others. That's why I love him the most.
TAEMIN LOOKS SO ADORABLE ILOVEYOU
kai and taemins comments were fine, all choreography can be hard, end of story.
OTHERS WERE ALSO COMMENTING THAT THE DANCE STEP DOESN'T LOOK DIFFICULT EVEN LIZZY, WHY IS KAI THE ONLY ONE WHO GOT BASHED?! Seriously I just can't understand this absurd situation 😒
Dian Farhana same thoughts. Also he did mentioned that they do men's choreography. Damn this bashers
I think it's just the way he said it. :)
Dian Farhana 'cause he is a man so some women took it to their pride also he is famous so he naturally got some antis and antis won't let these things slip away to bash their target.
I agree that the other men - outside of Taemin - were dismissive of Yerin's opinion. The difference is that Kai specifically compared it to what men do and used that to discredit it. It does come off snotty and the reason most people probably came for Kai is because 1) he had a specific comment and 2) because they know and love Kai and don't like that he's downplaying the skill set that a woman brings to the table.
(This is a reply for the reply above)
Of course he would compare it to bg dances. He's in a bg. I don't think he studies gg dances all day. Bg have more vigorous dancing so from his view point, gg dances require less "effort" for lack of a better word. (which imo it is)
If I trained in martial arts for 10 years and some random person was like "what i do is really difficult, brace yourselves" and does a high kick, of course in my mind i'd be like "really? that's it?"
The only thing he was downplaying was the girl's "hype".
If she didn't go on about how hard the dance was he wouldn't have commented on how easy it looked.
I came..., just to appreciate Kai! I love him so much! He's ONE of my treasures 😘😘😘
I like how Taemin was defending Yerin and pointing out the dance moves. So thoughtful.
Lisa Me too :) He’s such a sweetheart~
Lisa for real like he was explaining how the dances can be difficult at times.
Yes he is very much understanding than comparing!!!
he just said to those who don't get~ why it can be tiring right??
Stating the truth does not make you a hater. Kai was stating the truth and buddies have to accept it because the rest were stating the same as well. If you were to do the pole dance like what Afterschool's done, what would you say to Yerin? THINK AND STOP HATING KAI.
leys ooh true! I mean they are at least telling her the truth that it's not that hard compared to others. She started that theirs is different to other girlgroups so they expected it's somewhat difficult. But naaah.
anirtac hmo Tell me about it! I've seen so many girl's groups doing such dance and to relate it with most difficult other than the rest is just another lame thing she had claimed. Afterschool and Orange caramel are no joke, I even watched how the members had struggled to do the pole dancing with bruises all over their bodies. But this yerin girl, omg, I can't help but to laugh. Though I ain't a dancer but I think through practices, we can just master it but to make your body looking like having a magnet on is super difficult. I think blackpink's dances are more complicated than hers.
AA Ting Ikr? Buddies are lacking of common sense. If everyone were to be the judges, many would claim that it isn't difficult as per stated. Let alone when it's a cute dance. Boy's groups dances (tho dance should not be related to gender but this is my opinion) are a lot difficult. With the stunts, doing the 'back flip' and stuffs, are they (Gfriend) going to do that? Surely they would cry ocean.
leys ooh hahahaha yasss me too. I think more girlgroup dances has more difficult dances than theirs. I almost laugh as she said theirs are harder. But i think she just underestimated her sunbaes. That's why lizzy commented and somewhat disrespected. Blackpink's is way too harder gfriend's i also wanna include sistar. They are even dancing with heels so there. I disagree with this yerin. And i salute jongin for being honest sunbae
leys ooh tbh gfriends dance aren't really hard they just require you to have strong stamina. Specially their recent dance, they jump and twirl around but that's about it.
I love Kai, not afraid to speak the truth.💯
I don't think Kai said anything wrong lol
The host ask him, he just answer and its his opinion. He even said FOR HIM it doesn't look tiring since he dance to boy group. I guess there's more tiring dance for him than this.
As for Taemin, I think hes think the same that's is not tiring lol
He commented about the moves, agreed that could be hard.
Hard and tiring could be different :)
Well she compare to other gg aswell while there's other sitting there XD and then comparing start
Yes tiring and hard are different words....but she said tiring not hard😇
I mean have you try to dance to Love Whisper. Up until now , even after their disband gfriend love Whisper is always chosen as the hardest choreography from GG
i can say that either kai or yerin shouldnt get hate. both are just giving opinion from the pov
yeah kai just give opinion from bg and yerin gives opinion from gg~ but those who say taemin is sugarcoat can't be accepted 😡😡
Taemin always so humble💗
I think Yerin should be more considerate while many of her sunbaes is there and most of them are idols who have danced to difficult choreography, especially Lizzie. It's true that her group is on hiatus but Yerin was like complaining so they were like scolding in a funny way and that's fair.
I really don't understand why people are bashing Kai for it as well. Watching a lot of variety shows, I know how straightforward attendants are, it's how it works.
Anh Thy Nguyen its variety and shes trying to be funny. She always do that on varieties. The issue about what kai said isnt about gfriend at all. Its about how he underestimated gg choreo in general.
yerin wouldn't complain if they didn't brought it up and with hard diats i guess it maks sense why shes tired of it gf r known for hard choreo and this recent choreo is the easiest true if its easy for lizzie doesn't mean its easy for everyone
Yerin wasn't even complaining...
popo watch it again. she WAS complaining
Anika Hossain yoo its funny how wrote the comment 2 months ago and your replying now LOOOL and no...i dont have to watch it again. Thank you.
Kai’s so smexyyy haha
Taemin’s soo cute here! He’s so cute when he talks & smiles haha but when dance, he’s freakin hot!!
wow Kai is so honest,and also he is very nice 😻 anyway KAI is the best 💎💕😍😍😍
tbh i think (this is all my opinion) yerin chose the wrong words to say. i do believe it could be very tiring especially after practicing those steps continuously for hours but claiming that it was harder than other girl groups is quite offensive i guess many guests were from girl groups and lizzy is from afterschool (the girls who danced with poles yes) but nevertheless, no kpop choreo is easy may it be for men or for women, may it be cutesy or powerful. + ill be seeing gfriend perform live soon yaaaay
all love - from Buddies
+Hash Brown i cant wait ❤
true
exo has the best choreo ever thats why kai says so becoz he already experience a kind deferent choreo to perfect and also taemin they are both the best dancer in kpop
Have you all watched EXO's "Power" Live Stage Performance??
Kai did the spin the way best Ballerina would do. even better.
Look! Ballerina is for a girl..And he did it well.
Kai is real good at dancing since he was a kid. So maybe, he has a high standard of how a choreography can be called difficult even for a girl group. He is being honest.
However, He was quite joking there.
All people were joking to yerin there. So stop hating on kai!
SINCE WHEN DID BALLET IS ONLY FOR GIRL HHAHHAHAHAH
Ballet is not anly for a girl lmao
For girls *
Ballet is not only for girls. I guess you don't know BTS Jimin. Boys take classes.
This is like the ninth comment I saw about, "stop hating kai!" OBVIOUSLY IDOLS HAVE HATERS.
0:11 Taemin is adorable 💕 he looks shy and awkwardish when he's clapping... cutie
I am a girl and a pro dancer, and my reaction to Yerin was the same as Kai's...It's not meant to offend her, it is just our opinion...
Why is Taemin so cute oh my gawd
you have acc for dance?
when yerin danced, i imagine all the boy groups saying "awww that's cute" but seriously gfriend's dances are heavy on footwork so i understand how it can be really tiring but i think yerin has to take care of herself more so she can pull off any choreo without much trouble
Yes yes....after all that situation she's still smiling😭😭😭
kai and lizzy made a comment but kai get attack while lizzy not.. this is basically because kai is exo right..
so lizzy should get hate? do you even know after school?
no, isn't because he is from exo, but because he made a sexist comment
Ayeska Emilly kai's comment is sexist? because he said, that he do choreography for men? that's not sexist, that's just true i don't know any kpop girl group that has choreography as hard as boy groups
baconlicious there was the arc before they disbanded
Shay Tuan ark?
Between Kai and Taemin, I'm a Kai. I dont sugarcoat that shit 😂😂 lets be real, we've seen harder girl group dances. Hoobaes need to work harder than their Sunbaes because it was obvious that Lizzy was like, "you call that hard" in a nicer way.
kash4shoes well maybe taemin knows girl group dances are hard on their own bc he has danced them before since debut and he has also worked with female choreographers. also, it's not called sugarcoating but being respectful and aware of ur surroundings. the MCs were already giving her shit and kai just made it worse lmao. he said that bc he doesn't know much about the techniques used unlike taemin who observed the choreo closely. he could have just said "it doesn't look difficult" instead of bringing in girl group/boy group. how is that relevant? dance is dance.
Even Gfriend other song choreos are harder than that one tbh. I think he made the distinction between "male/female choreography because it's what he knows, but that doesn't mean he doesn't know about technique, Jongin is classically trained he knows his shit 😂
Carat Serenity right
odd eye nah it don't matter if Taemin danced to female choreo or not. If you know Taemin you would know that he gives compliments. Even the thing that he commented on about her neck and whatever I didn't even see her do. So I don't know what he was trying to refer to. Btw Kai is a well trained dancer and he quite knows his sh*t. The dance was easy and it shouldn't be hard to admit it. Even Lizzy stepped in to make a point that Afterschool (her group) has harder dances then hers. Gfriend's dances are typically not hard, hey just require good stamina.
Taemin doesn't really sugarcoat things, he's actually really honest too and that has caused him some problems in the past because he says things before thinking well (not enough to become scandals but still)... He's just really nice and maybe just felt like complimenting her since the mcs were being kind of rude to her, but yeah, he's definitely not a sugarcoater.
Taemin and kai so sweet
I like EXO kai .he is simply superb and honest ....
Taemin is my ultimate bias same as kai☺️
SHINee✨
e)(o👑
Kai was just being honest with himself and because of that some of you people are judging him for it which is really childish so please stop
It’s funny how taemin and Kai didn’t have a clue that they were gonna be in a group together hahaha superM
i love how realistic KAI is♡
Kai smiles so brightly when he smile he look so cute and he is a very refreshing person😆😆😆😆
2:58 I think there's nothing wrong about what Kai said. He didn't say anything wrong about the choreography, he just said that it's easy to dance for him (knowing that his the EXO's dancing machine)
Finally taemin and kai together
People need to understand that the dance that girl did was hard for girls because we have all these things that could make it difficult to dance this dance but when a boy sees it and dance it you can see that he dances the dance with no distractions like heels and mini skirt so I myself can see were kai is coming from but I can see were some in the comment are coming from. This is just my opinion 😃.
kai is being honest, so don't hate to my nini
being honest or not you could see that offended her
Taemin and Kai were so close at the Music Bank Concert in Berlin
My two cents on the whole dancing matter:
- First of all, beginning the story with "we threw up while dancing this coreography" was unfourtunate. I don't doubt that they did, but considering how idols schedules are they probably hadn't eaten or slept sufficiently meaning they were low on energy, as well as having to practice this exact choreo for x number of hours. Of course you would then want to throw up, that doesn't mean that the choreo in itself makes you want to do so every single time you perform it.
- Secondly, I'm not a dancer and has no knowledge regarding what is considered difficult or not, but it is true that GFriends choreo has alot bigger movements (arms, legs, jumps etc) than other girl groups - which can be the reason why they're dubbed as powerful and difficult.
- Generally girl- and boygroups' dances are different in style. The girls are often supposed to be cute or sexy, none of these equals big and fast dance moves (which boygroups dances often include). Other than that ALL DANCING is physically tiring, it gets your heart pumping and blood flowing so to say that one type of dance is easier than another might be correct BUT it does not by any means mean that you won't get tired from doing it.
- What the companies and fans want from their respective group also differs depending on the gender. The boys can preferably be muscular while the girls should be thin. Of course that will reflect on your muscle mass, the amount of food you get to eat as well as how much energy/power you can put into the choreo.
- Finally: Yerin handled the situation very well by being able to make everyone laugh instead ("Oh, is it not tiring?"). Taemin was very good in his response, which in my opinion truly shows that he's danced for many years but is also used to the variety stage, in explaining that the dance moves might not be big and powerful but there were alot of technical details in every part of the dance that you have to master. Then there is Kai. He obviously could've phrased himself better and given a softer impression while he said it, but that comes down to variety exposure (in addition, I think that he, as well as everybody else in the audience, were disappointed by the level of cuteness in the dance since they expected something like a cardio pass).
Yep, this turned into an essay. If anybody is knowledgeable in dance could they point me to some kpop dances that are considered difficult (technically or physically)? The kpop scene holds a much higher aptitude than the western singers and I've grown used to the skill that they're showing.
I really agree with your opinion. Both groups have hard choreography's, but I'm worried about Exo-ls being able to stop this and blaming everything on Yerin. Buddies stop already, so I'm getting really annoyed from them.
In regards of the dances that are considered hard, i would point out, in the first place, After School's First Love. They spent months practicing pole dance for those stages, and ended up covered in bruises.
For boygroups, the first one that comes to mind is SHINee's Lucifer. It's extremely fast paced and intrincate and when you try to learn it you get the sequence but you just dont have enough time to get your limbs to do the thing? Much less make it look good. Its possible of course, its just... a hard one.
Also, -i'm not too sure about this one, as I didnt see it as difficult personally, but I just remembered Yeri from Red Velvet said she hated the dance to Rookie because it was very hard to sing while dancing. It's probably tiring as its very fast paced, though not as difficult techincally speaking.
If you read closely, I think she said they were more tiring than other gg choreos, not harder. She wasn't talking about technical aspects. She was talking about being tired from the dance, which could be due to a number of factors (ie: position changes, her having more lines during the more difficult parts of the dance, etc)
yep. it would be easier for girls to do tough dance routines if they we're allowed to be a little bit muscular (abs, toned arms/legs) but they aren't allowed to be that way so they have to do cute dances and starve themselves... And girls menstruate so i think it's better to just have cute dance because it would be easier to dance when you're on your periods (if you have painful periods).
Okay, but Buddies have nothing to do with hating on Kai, we were simply defending Yerin. Those hating on Kai are just anti's from either different fandoms because it ain't us.
Taemin my love❤
9:46 Kai's laugh is so cutee😍
Let me get this straight, Yerin said that their choreography was sooo hard that she nearly vomited. When asking Taemin's opinion he humbly said that yeah, from his perspective the'res some technical difficulties. Then After School members were saying that their choreography was harder( one of them even said that their lips turned blue) and advised Yerin that maybe the way she feels is because of her health. She needs to work out to lose her muscles. Then Kai was ASKED for his opinion so he said "As he does men's choreography it didn't seem hard to him" which was highlighted.
Now the issue is ya'll are calling Kai a misogynist, sexist and what not, all because the guy said that the choreography didn't seem hard to him. I agree that maybe, he could've worded it out better but that doesn't mean he should be hated on like this. Let's just acknowledge it now, ya'll are calling him out only because he's an EXO member because if that wasn't the case you guys would be mad at others too( Not saying anybody should be hated on INCLUDING KAI) for not agreeing with Yerin.
Taemin didn't say it looked tough he just commented on the technicalities lol
Thank you.
This things are kinda old but yeah , Im so enough of seeing people hating Kai for this . It's normal tho , he deserves to give his opinions too. What do you expect him to say "ahh , that must be exhausting" something like that ? He just said something based on what he saw . It's not rude tho , it's normal cause we're talking about variety shows here . Get a life come on . Just because you felt what he did was wrong in your eyes , doesn't mean he really did . People has different opinions. Im not defending him as a fan but im talking about how he deserves to say his thoughts just like anyone else . You can't make everyone to have same thoughts ,God.
right and he didnt say the dance was NOT tiring, he said he is used to harder dances so this dance wasnt tiring for HIM
Well i hate this video for using kai's and Taemin's name just for fans to watched it even they only showed at the very end of the video for just few seconds. I must say again antis always finding a way to put dirt on any exo's member or anything related to exp. There's nothing wrong for what kai's opinion. GUYS DID YOUR SCHOOL TEACH YOU THAT EVERY OPINIONS AND SUGGESTIONS ARE RIGHT AND NOTHING IS WRONG WHEN SAYING AN OPINION? GOSH
Johanna Ali EXP. HONEY NO
Nobody taught me that actually and no one is that dumb...
ikr.. such a clickbait
Shahir Ali i must say that i agree, but hate is quite a strong word, and lets face it most of the people on youtube use clickbait, we dont need to be surprised anymore😂
That's right
My darling Kai ur the best can't stop staring at you 😘😘❤️❤️😘😘😘😘
Taemin our Angel 💜💜 Always so understanding & kind.
You're right, but at the same time, Taemin said that not just because he is understanding and kind but because he's just way more experienced than Kai, too, especially with "feminine" dance moves and because of that, also has a lot of respect for "female" choreography. Kai was being ignorant because he doesn't have nearly as much knowledge. Taemin was also more thoughtful because he looked at it from Yerin's perspective.
Poor Yerin, some of them were so disrespectful towards her. Even if she would have done the entire choreography, they still wouldn't have grasped how difficult it really is because all the other members are missing and not performing with her. At least Taemin understood because of his experience and respect for female dancers, explaining the steps and everything, instead of insulting Yerin. It's moments like these that really show which people know what they're talking about and which don't. This made me respect and support him and SHINee even more. Gfriend&SHINee, fighting!
they were disrespectful because she had the gall to call that dance hard in front of people like Izzy and Sunmi who have danced waaayy harder choreo. gfriend have harder choreo than this, don’t get me wrong. but her calling this choreo hard was cringey and lowkey disrespectful.
@@tuopsy bruh what? 💀 if she finds it hard that’s her honest opninion, even Taemin said it himself that there were some hard pieces in the choreo/footwork. just because other groups have more difficult choreography’s doesn’t mean she isn’t aloud to find it hard.
from a dancing perspective, i can say that the choreography that yerin did was quite hard. the spins that she did were very detailed and being able to move your entire body at the same time must have taken a long time to practice. i think the largest difference between boy and girl group dances is that boys usually have bigger steps in their movement and do footwork mostly, and girls focus on their entire body, doing things with much smaller, but defining detail.
From a dancer perspective of many years most girl dances including Gfriends is really not hard at all. I understand it can be for inexperienced beginner dancers but for example me, I have been dancing since I was 4. The dances comes so easy and don't over think the moves and body focus. When you've been dancing for so long and enjoy it, it really isn't a problem and comes pretty much naturally. The synchronization also isn't hard at all. Its quite easy when you have people who are actually trying to dance and become better and people with experience. You just remember the counts and have to know the choreograph.
@@persephionie7412
at least I haven't seen any other girl group who come close to gfriend's synchronization. so you're saying you're better than all those dancers? those spins and turns requires balance and control, on top of that they have to do it in an elegant and graceful way, which isn't something you could achieve. synchronizing with 5 other people while spinning and jumping continuously is hard.
@@labyrinth2881 👍🏻👍🏻
Just remember that Kai does ballet too
Taemin looked so good in here. 😍
Kai is an amazing dancer!
I agree with kai too cuz boy groups have powerful and fast choreographies so of course their standards to the word “tiring” is really different but taemin answered in the perspective of a woman so that’s why he understood that it was tiring for her
Taemin as always so sweet 💗
Taeminie ♡♡♡♡♡♡♡
came here for taemin and kai only, the actual dancing kings duo
when i first heard about kai and yerin, i was like "what's wrong with kai?" but when I watched this video, it's obviously nothings wrong. they just give their own opinion😂
- p/s: i'm buddy and exol. don't get me wrong✌
wonutae fav thank you for the comprehension 😊
wonutae fav thank you for seeing through the screen and his words☺️
Omg me too i'm a buddy and an exo l and i don't see what's wrong kai wasn't the only one who gave an opinion about the dance but the hate is all on kai i don't really know why kai is only getting all the hate. People just over reacts things like this.
wonutae fav I'm neither a buddy nor an exo-l but even I think that the people clearly overreacted, the Girl group member presented her dance and Kai just judged it from his own experience, which is not a crime.
Grim Reaper don't talk like you are a buddy duh. can't you see yerin face. she looks offended so that's mean her feelings got hurt
Well I'm sorry but I actually agree with Kai and the others. It doesn't mean the dance wasn't hard for Yerin. But it really doesn't look difficult to me.
And I love Kai for being down to earth like that... lolz even between him and Taemin... He seems really down to earth.
They're both lovely guys. Taemin is being really nice here.
Aweee Taemin's so cute smiling the time
It's just Taemin wanted to be called as "Hyung" by Kai bc he is 5 months older than him😂😭
But they have been bff for over 13 years now. They even though they were going to debut in a same group at the first and after decade they debut together in SuperM🥰❤
Kai you go boy, I agree with u 100%
Trust Jongin to be honest. I love it. Taemin was like ...let me say something nice lol
the way taemin laughs is so cute >
Here for Taemin
But Taemin is still a loser and always will be 😂
@@taleriom6807 No, you're just confusing him with yourself.
@@thedemontheangel4308 ofcourse I am a loser. I am spamming the comment section with truths and facts. Spitting the truth is irking you and I am enjoying it. Lol 😂 Agreeing to what you said but it is not gonna change the fact that Taemin is biggest LOSER ever. Does people even know him outside his fandom ? NO. Simply saying Taemin and Kai are the best is not gonna change any facts. People might not even know Who Taemin and Kai is. Even if people come to know who they are, there is going to be none who agree that they are the best. Taemin is a trans...r and Kai is st...r
Rofl 🤣
@@taleriom6807 What you're claiming has literally zero to do with facts or the truth. Fact is, Taemin is known as the best dancer in K-pop and the Michael Jackson of Korea and Kai is known as one of the best. The majority consider both of them better than Jimin. Taemin is in the top 10 of the most successful solo artists, so obviously people know and love him. Stop trying to drag him just because you're pressed over the fact that people like him more than your bias, Jimin, same with Kai, it's not their fault they're more acknowledged than Jimin. If you want Jimin to be acknowledged more, dragging others down isn't the way to go. All Jimin has to do is become a better dancer, if he can't do that, then that's just how it is. Learn the difference between androgynous and transgender, and I don't even know what "st...r" is supposed to mean. Honestly, it seems like you actually like Taemin and are just in denial, considering how obsessed you are with him, kinda like how homophobes are often closeted homosexuals. Just admit you have a massive boner for him, it's quite obvious at this point anyway.
@@thedemontheangel4308 Taemin is the fake Michael Jackson. He just Tries to replicate MJ in music and dance. That is not called as talent or best. He doesn’t even have his own style or name to make on his own. There is always only one MJ and MJ is MJ. He doesn’t even have any talents this standout and copying like a child copying his homework from A grade student. Lol... Jimin has his own style and he gets more love, fame and money from the whole world. So I am not pressed here. I am just spitting the truth that Kai and Taemin are so much low but their stupid fans are fighting over who is best.
Uwu Kai look so cute here^_^His dance is WOW!!!!It's time to jopping hehehe
Taemin so handsome!
I agree after school dances are the toughest they were doing pole dancing while singing. after school are legends
As a Taemin fan.... why does it make me happy when they decide to consult a dancing expert at 2:43... and immediately turn to Taemin? I don't know why this one small thing makes me smile.... I guess just the acknowledgement that out of everyone in the room, even including Kai, he is without question or debate the best? It makes my fangirl heart flutter a little (even though this is just a variety show.... Oh well! ❤️ Taemin!)
Taemin to Kai: Call me Hyung
Kai: I don't think so!
HAA!!! HAAAAAA!!! HA!!! god thats so funny 😂
Edit: i mean kai has his own opinions so why hate exactly? and why is Taemin and Kai so cute when they’re together
After school learns marching band, tap dancing, and even pole dancing so I stand with Lizzy here hahaha
cutie Taemin-ah, here’s an uwu for you 😙
KAI’S HONESTY 👏
Everyone is saying about kai getting hated and defending him but I can't see any hate comments most of them are hating on Yerin
Like ... WTF
@@kokobopbop243 sorryyyyyyyy
yeah fr!! they wanna hating on yerin
Only came here for Kai. 🙏
same here
Same xD and taemin lolol
Meenakshi xo I only came for Taemin and Kai hehhe
same
Meenakshi xo me too
I Love Kai so much
Kai so handsome
I would like them to dance the gfriends songs over and over as they do in practice with that many turns and see if they still feel that way .🤨
I see people complaining about the hate Kai's getting but no comments hating on Kai. I'm glad the sensible comments took over.
Taemin was being nice and Kai was straight up savage😂😂