One thing you are overlooking is that Burnice and Seth being in the game also open the door for triple anomaly teams, getting the max value out of Seth's additional passive. If you build him all in on anomaly, alongside Jane for physical and Burnice for burn, I really think you can build an insanely strong firework team with all the respective buffs, anomalies and disorders stacking up. Having 3 elements ot trigger disorder also fixes the problem you pointed out since there will alwasy be one of the 2 non applied ready to trigger
I see what your saying but I don’t think that makes Seth an anomaly agent still lol, he’s still a defense that can contribute to anomaly but not a pure anomaly agent, also u want impact on the 6th slot for him instead of anomaly mastery. So yea he’s great but I wouldn’t say he’s a pure anomaly agent.
I really don't think Disorder Anomaly teams will ever go triple element. The second Anomaly agent is just a glorified support who comes on field to set up for your primary DPS Anomaly Agent who will hog the majority of the field time. This is a hot take but I think in the future we might even see the second Anomaly agent ditched entirely in favour of maybe a support like Soukaku who can apply freeze really quickly whilst also offering more utility such as attack buffs.
@@goblez5900like Lucy. But they will probably have low anomaly proficiency which means that they will weaken your disorder procs as a whole. This may mean double anomaly still have a place as one type of team separate from anomaly/sub-anomaly team makeups. Of course they may release one agent that shakes up that ideology in the form of some s rank or another but it will be fine since it won’t be every agent
@bobafullsugar well the question would be in that case, does the buff the support provides prove more beneficial than the potential lost damage from their lower Anomaly prof/mastery stats? We don't know yet what a limited support is going to be capable of. We could get a 50% armour shred, or a giant attack buff. I'm gonna call it now that eventually we will see single Anomaly agent disorder team comps that may proc less disorders but make up for it with a consistently higher overall damage per totation rate.
I'm dying on the hill of Caesar being the star of 1.2. But I'm skipping 1.1 entirely to be able to pull for both girls. Really excited to finally get some cinemas on Lucy too.
In addition to anomaly teams, Burnice will most likely be a huge buff for the monofire team as well. The up time of "burn" will significantly increase, enabling S11 to utilize 4pc Inferno Metal passive better. This makes Burnice's pull value increase in my eyes as she can naturaly fit an anomaly team and even a standard crit-oriented fire dps team. The possibility of having a better S11 in the future is also there, so yeah Burnice is such a great character to pull for.
Srry… Lighter is a S rank Fire Attack agent, if they don’t make him better than S11 then no one will get him and they won’t make any money cause he’s a male and hoyo players prefer waifus, they usually only get males if they’re really strong…
I'm literally stuck between a rock, a hard place and a boulder about to drop on me with Jane's trailer bricking me up, Burnice bricking me up, and Miyabi's motivation in the near future bricking me up The struggle of a F2P waifu collector (Just shows to how good this game is imo)
I haven't even gotten a chance to run Grace, Seth, Jane disorder team and people are already saying it doesn't work and they're selling the solution with Burnice. Right now there is a division in CC players saying she is good or not. If a Grace/Jane disorder team is hard to play, but still good (even if not the best) isn't that just "skill issue." Either way we'll see, investment between players varies a lot. Some people just happen to have an invested Grace due to the nature of gacha and using Grace/Jane is just summoning for 1 limited character. I'm also wondering if CC players are using the strongest anomaly builds possible, some people say Grace takes too much field time, but she seems fast in other clips. So I'd still run Grace/Jane teams anyways because of how my roster worked out, but I'm also interested in seeing if that team is stronger than people think. Like obviously a limited S rank is stronger than a standard S rank I just think there is a possibility the current disorder pair of Grace/Jane is being undersold. Still cool to see everyone's opinions.
even if jane/grace is a good team, burnice will just be so much easier to play and still give you high output by replacing either jane or grace, burnice is just a much more comfortable option, but u can make jane grace work if your good enough itll just take alot more effort than a burnice variant
I've been set on using Jane, Seth, and Grace as well, ever since Jane's announcement. But I found out that having two characters that deal the same element dilutes the AP damage. So in this team, having Seth and Grace both deal electric attacks will ultimately dampen the disorder damage since Seth doesn't have AP. This is probably one of the CC's feedbacks to this team. Having said that, like Kettei's words "Disorder is just free damage". I personally don't care if my disorder damage is in the low side as long as my Jane hits hard. Disorder is just a bonus. Although I love using Grace, Burnice's kit is really appealing and will most likely replace Grace to make the team much more smoother to play.
as far as i watch jane craft theory, jane solo carry or anomaly disorder team with grace is not that different in overall damage but anomaly team is much harder to use and more expensive, pairing jane and burnice might be the solution but doing so is more expensive than the jane grace seth team.. because i have grace alr, i thought pairing her with jane will boost the damage but after compare it with grace piper is not that far ahead in my point of view (grace need quite a lot of on-field time, and it benefit piper so later she will have more SP to use EX skill to triggered anomaly faster) but again, you do you..
That's where I was heading too. Eventho I haven't tried that team comp yet it's obvious that grace and jane both require field time. it won't be hard you can still make it work. But if they can do it burnice will do that even better with how the way she works
@@cosmo7754 Yeah obviously Burnice will be better than Grace. I've seen the leaks and she is very hype. Imo she has the best animations in the game, but I already have S11 so I'm hesitant to roll for duplicate elemental DPS so early in the game and I'm saving for others like Caesar and Miyabi. Also it's kind of weird to play Burnice as an off field unit, even if that's her kit, when her animations are so fire
Another helpful video. Thanks, Kette7. One thing I'm thinking about is if I should invest deep in either stun or anomaly teams, or if I should invest evenly between the two archetypes. I feel like pulling for Burnice means I am encouraged to pull for disorder teams while pulling for Caesar means a more generalist support and more flexibility (Though I'm not sure how valuable Caesar and her +1k attack will be for anomaly agents) I'm currently torn between Caesar and Burnice. Caesar because of Rina Satou and +1k attack, Burnice because cute flamethrower lady who's potentially ZZZ's Xiangling. I guess I should just wait for now. Plenty of things can happen before their banners.
@@KetteiThe7th_ Caesar's also rumored to also have Lucy and Soukaku on her banner, and I want dupes for both. Yeah...again, not gonna stress out too much for now.
don't forget, of you wanna use Caesar for anomaly team, with Jane, the anomaly resistance build up means that Caesar might very well lower your damage, due to diluting physical anomaly with a lower contribution to the anomaly damage buildup, whoxh gets slower and slower to build up in tough fights
Question for you, do you think Burnice would work on fire teams just as well? I'm asking because I'm curious as to how well she will work with Lighter. Lighter is supposedly going to an S rank Fire Dps, so I want to know what your thoughts on her being a support for him
Jane is not the Kafka of this game. Burnice might be, but it is also possible that off-field anomaly units like her will be a niche filled by various units just like how we have burst vs. on-field stunners. Either way, Burnice will be the Kafka of disorder teams from her release to whenever another unit like her drops (possibly Yanagi).
i find it not smart to say that, having 2 elements that cause damage in a team makes it more versatile if you have a fire weakness it's cool, if you have a physical weakness it's cool. the only problem would be that the mob has both types as resistances/none on weak types but its very specific
@@mazen7013 I find that is not a very smart approach either. People will have more than 2 teams before very long at all and to clear the toughest stuff will be more a matter of capitalizing fully on weakness rather than just trying to go neutral or slightly better.
@@jaegybomb even if the boss is just fire weakness, or even if its just physical weakness -> jane / burnice / x will destroy it anyway (so its much more versatile, see it that way)
Went all in on Jane and feel like I need to take a step back for a while for ZZZ. Jane/Seth/Grace is serving me just fine. Even hit a 1.2million with them! (With resonia of course)
I never really understood why people say anomaly characters are easy to build, because you need a lot of anomaly proficiency to make an anomaly/disorder team work. I also dont think disorder teams are worth it, because it feels terrible to play. I currently have one right now and it is not fun. Im waiting for jane to come out so I can make a Jane, Seth, and Rina team, because that seems like so much fun.
That’s the whole point, burnice will make disorder teams not feel scuffed anymore, and idk what do you mean they’re not easy to build? I have an anomaly profiency on my 4th slot and an anomaly mastery on my 6th slot for piper, with barely any anomaly substats and I cleared everything in the game with her easy. She was by far the easiest character on my entire roster to build cause I didn’t care about substats at all and she gets the job done well
Nah, treat disorder damage as free damage, your anomaly affects are still carrying your overall damage. Burnice will make it so disorder teams can actually competent with crit teams. Even with burnice crit teams will probably still be slightly better but she closes the gap, and future anomaly agents can help close the gap even more.
I love that Burnice's kit is centered around off-field efficiency because one of the things that took me a while to get used to is lining up Disorder for maximum damage output. It took a lot of practice for me to not just proc anomaly willy-nilly when using Grace. Not to mention that the final damage on Disorder is dependent on the stats of the first Agent to proc Anomaly. What's more is that it would absolutely let Jane or Piper shine even more due to their high on-field demands to inflict Anomaly. You can basically start a fight with Burnice bulding up fire anomaly before switching her out while still inflicting anomaly without proc'ing, go ham with your main Anomaly, switch back to Burnice to proc Scorch for the Disorder and then immediately switch back to the main Anomaly for a second Disorder. And then with Jane Doe doing all that? Imagine the crit on those Assaults lmao
I still think Jane is better in a team boasting her own personal assault damage as high as possible, but I can’t wait to test it out for myself, and yes nurnice is a massive QoL for disorder
excited to try burn based burnice disorder too... and to top it off.. when physical is co-weakness, totally run Jane, if electric, go with Grace & Rina
maybe people should just wait and see how well the new characters perform against new enemies in outer ring. Imagine the developer implement factions' advantage against certain mob and boss, so element is not the only thing you need to consider. lol
@@KetteiThe7th_ What's the logic of a "crit value" statistic? Seems like its just an average between Crit Rate and Crit Damage to solidify the 1:2 ratio everyone talks about. Tbh I find it misleading to say you're gaining double of the crit value to most players because it's probably going to be misinterpretted as crit rate. Maybe a video explaining the difference is warranted? It's also ambiguous because different crit rates/damages can yield the same "crit value" for example: 100 crit 50 crit DMG or 75 crit 100 crit DMG I'd argue the second one has the better stats for combat. but both would yield 250 in crit value. There's also no benchmarks presented as aiming for a particular crit value would only be achievable with very specific combinations of the 2 stats. It also doesn't help that crit rate plays a heavier part in this formula but over investing in it will bring down your damage. Hope this makes sense, unless I'm missing something.
… crit value has been a thing for years in hoyo game dating back to Honkai impact. It’s just what everyone uses, if you have 50 crit rate and 100 crit damage from your drive disks you have 200 crit value total. You don’t count the first 5 crit rate and 50 crit damage because that comes by default. So if your character has 55 crit rate and 150 crit damage that means you got 50 crit rate and 100 crit damage from dive disks alone and that puts your crit value for your drive disks at 200 crit value total. I’m not the one who made this stuff, it’s just the benchmark and metric that been used for YEARS by the entire hoyo community again dating back all the way to Honkai Impact, and genshin, Star rail, and now zzz community uses it aswell. So if you don’t like the metric that fine but it’s just what the vast amount of Theorycrafters and meta players use to determine how good your crit is from your artifacts, relics and now for ZZZ your drive disks
Hoping Burnice/Grace/Piper will be the way to go. A tri-Anomaly would be fantastic. Let off-field Burnice keep burn up while Grace can quick proc shock. Once you got a full energy bar let Piper spin to win while burn continues. Then back to Grace to rebuild the others energy. Continuous disorder procs and it won't feel bad letting Grace/Piper split field time.
@@sparhawk2195 only issue that team is lacking buffs, and it feels unnecessary to try and fit Piper in, back in HSR when Kafka came out people tried 3 nihility and a sustain but people quickly realized soon after that 2 nihility with one harmony unit was more damage than 3 nihility, and this team feels like that same situation, instead of trying to force field time on grace and Piper, take on of them off the team and just add a good buffing support like Seth, Ceasar or Lucy and the benefit is your probably going to do not only more damage overall, but also have a much smoother flowing team. As now u just switch you buffer in to apply the buffs and piper or grace stays on field while burnice stays off field. The team just flows so much better and isn’t clunky now and it most likely doesn’t more damage too. I’ll gladly try this 3 anamoly team on stream but I just can’t see it being better than 2 anomaly 1 buffer unfortunately
@@KetteiThe7th_ with seth it bring 20% built-up anomaly res with 100 AP, does quite a good blocker, enabling grace passive core, its really a win-win sollution i think.. but if somehow burnice passive core doesnt active in this comp.. piper/burnice/lucy might be better
@@KetteiThe7th_ It is an idea and I understand it might not work out. But the idea is you don't need a buffer if you are procing disorder more often. Though it is more likely, as the game encourages you to run a support buffer of some sort, it probably wont work that way. The thought is that it would allow for more of a rotation of use instead of fighting for field time to apply an anomly and then get the next one proc'd asap. Also don't compare with HSR. It might be the same company but its a different game and mechanics do work differently. What works in one game may not work in the other and vise versa.
Even still buffs are extremely strong in this game and are only going to get stronger, and as we get more supports with even more broken buffs their going to start balancing attack and anomaly characters the 2 DPS classes around having the supports on their teams. That’s how they always do it, so it’s just extremely slim chances that a triple anomaly team could ever just beat a 2 anomaly 1 support team, especially once there’s multiple S rank supports in the game in the future
I have grace, I really want to pull for burnice, but I don't know if I should pull for Jane also. I allready have 2 strong teams but I want a team focus on burnice in the future idk what to do T-T
go with what you feel like... got Jane accident, trying to get a single Seth copy.. and I've taken a liking to her... but if you already aj e Ellen and Zhu Yuan, you can skip jane without worrying
Disorder is the future. 1.2 really has people split on who to choose a shielder who also buffs or a pyromaniac who's good at keeping enemies burned and allow disorder. Burnice is also good because most ethereals are weak to fire
the corrupted thugs > ethereals are the ones weak to fire, res to electric. They’re not very prominent the current and previous critical shiyu rotations, but perhaps in 1.2 and beyond, they’ll get more appearances at the higher nodes
Hmmm so i have to get Seth and hope i will get him before i reach pity. But if i reach pity and still no Seth and i will have to pray not to get Jane to guarantee Burnice so i can finally have a decent team for my Grace !!! Any other character to pair with Grace and Burnice instead of Seth ?
@@dualathloner from the two of them i would chose big daddy too but lighters wengine is 5*. Ngl lighters design looks like 4* and i thought he would be on caesars or burnices banner.
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One thing you are overlooking is that Burnice and Seth being in the game also open the door for triple anomaly teams, getting the max value out of Seth's additional passive. If you build him all in on anomaly, alongside Jane for physical and Burnice for burn, I really think you can build an insanely strong firework team with all the respective buffs, anomalies and disorders stacking up.
Having 3 elements ot trigger disorder also fixes the problem you pointed out since there will alwasy be one of the 2 non applied ready to trigger
I see what your saying but I don’t think that makes Seth an anomaly agent still lol, he’s still a defense that can contribute to anomaly but not a pure anomaly agent, also u want impact on the 6th slot for him instead of anomaly mastery. So yea he’s great but I wouldn’t say he’s a pure anomaly agent.
thats why they nerfed seth because people were building him as an anomaly
I really don't think Disorder Anomaly teams will ever go triple element.
The second Anomaly agent is just a glorified support who comes on field to set up for your primary DPS Anomaly Agent who will hog the majority of the field time.
This is a hot take but I think in the future we might even see the second Anomaly agent ditched entirely in favour of maybe a support like Soukaku who can apply freeze really quickly whilst also offering more utility such as attack buffs.
@@goblez5900like Lucy. But they will probably have low anomaly proficiency which means that they will weaken your disorder procs as a whole. This may mean double anomaly still have a place as one type of team separate from anomaly/sub-anomaly team makeups. Of course they may release one agent that shakes up that ideology in the form of some s rank or another but it will be fine since it won’t be every agent
@bobafullsugar well the question would be in that case, does the buff the support provides prove more beneficial than the potential lost damage from their lower Anomaly prof/mastery stats?
We don't know yet what a limited support is going to be capable of. We could get a 50% armour shred, or a giant attack buff.
I'm gonna call it now that eventually we will see single Anomaly agent disorder team comps that may proc less disorders but make up for it with a consistently higher overall damage per totation rate.
i guess Burnice will be the beginning of the off field meta agents.
Yea!
I'm dying on the hill of Caesar being the star of 1.2. But I'm skipping 1.1 entirely to be able to pull for both girls.
Really excited to finally get some cinemas on Lucy too.
@@goblez5900 good to hear!
Tbh Ceasar will be the best banner value we have till then
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In addition to anomaly teams, Burnice will most likely be a huge buff for the monofire team as well. The up time of "burn" will significantly increase, enabling S11 to utilize 4pc Inferno Metal passive better. This makes Burnice's pull value increase in my eyes as she can naturaly fit an anomaly team and even a standard crit-oriented fire dps team. The possibility of having a better S11 in the future is also there, so yeah Burnice is such a great character to pull for.
I said this in the video lol, and on last nights stream. I have high expectations for it
I was saying that 1.2 is S11's time to shine! People called me crazy
Until lighter steals the spotlight once again lol
@@KetteiThe7th_ nooo don’t say that 😭 S11 being powercrept is a punch to the gut
Srry… Lighter is a S rank Fire Attack agent, if they don’t make him better than S11 then no one will get him and they won’t make any money cause he’s a male and hoyo players prefer waifus, they usually only get males if they’re really strong…
Now I know why you dropped the creator program 😂, great video nonetheless. I'm excited to play with her
I feel so free now ngl
Ima pull for Burnice and Caesar. Built up Piper, might build my Lucy.
Sons of Calydon gonna take over!!!
Good luck to you!
i was already pulling for her since drip marketing
good luck to ya!
I'm literally stuck between a rock, a hard place and a boulder about to drop on me with Jane's trailer bricking me up, Burnice bricking me up, and Miyabi's motivation in the near future bricking me up
The struggle of a F2P waifu collector
(Just shows to how good this game is imo)
Stay strong and just do your best!
lvl 99 gooner
I haven't even gotten a chance to run Grace, Seth, Jane disorder team and people are already saying it doesn't work and they're selling the solution with Burnice. Right now there is a division in CC players saying she is good or not. If a Grace/Jane disorder team is hard to play, but still good (even if not the best) isn't that just "skill issue." Either way we'll see, investment between players varies a lot. Some people just happen to have an invested Grace due to the nature of gacha and using Grace/Jane is just summoning for 1 limited character. I'm also wondering if CC players are using the strongest anomaly builds possible, some people say Grace takes too much field time, but she seems fast in other clips.
So I'd still run Grace/Jane teams anyways because of how my roster worked out, but I'm also interested in seeing if that team is stronger than people think. Like obviously a limited S rank is stronger than a standard S rank I just think there is a possibility the current disorder pair of Grace/Jane is being undersold. Still cool to see everyone's opinions.
even if jane/grace is a good team, burnice will just be so much easier to play and still give you high output by replacing either jane or grace, burnice is just a much more comfortable option, but u can make jane grace work if your good enough itll just take alot more effort than a burnice variant
I've been set on using Jane, Seth, and Grace as well, ever since Jane's announcement. But I found out that having two characters that deal the same element dilutes the AP damage. So in this team, having Seth and Grace both deal electric attacks will ultimately dampen the disorder damage since Seth doesn't have AP. This is probably one of the CC's feedbacks to this team.
Having said that, like Kettei's words "Disorder is just free damage". I personally don't care if my disorder damage is in the low side as long as my Jane hits hard. Disorder is just a bonus. Although I love using Grace, Burnice's kit is really appealing and will most likely replace Grace to make the team much more smoother to play.
as far as i watch jane craft theory, jane solo carry or anomaly disorder team with grace is not that different in overall damage but anomaly team is much harder to use and more expensive, pairing jane and burnice might be the solution but doing so is more expensive than the jane grace seth team..
because i have grace alr, i thought pairing her with jane will boost the damage but after compare it with grace piper is not that far ahead in my point of view (grace need quite a lot of on-field time, and it benefit piper so later she will have more SP to use EX skill to triggered anomaly faster)
but again, you do you..
That's where I was heading too. Eventho I haven't tried that team comp yet it's obvious that grace and jane both require field time. it won't be hard you can still make it work. But if they can do it burnice will do that even better with how the way she works
@@cosmo7754 Yeah obviously Burnice will be better than Grace. I've seen the leaks and she is very hype. Imo she has the best animations in the game, but I already have S11 so I'm hesitant to roll for duplicate elemental DPS so early in the game and I'm saving for others like Caesar and Miyabi. Also it's kind of weird to play Burnice as an off field unit, even if that's her kit, when her animations are so fire
Another helpful video. Thanks, Kette7.
One thing I'm thinking about is if I should invest deep in either stun or anomaly teams, or if I should invest evenly between the two archetypes. I feel like pulling for Burnice means I am encouraged to pull for disorder teams while pulling for Caesar means a more generalist support and more flexibility (Though I'm not sure how valuable Caesar and her +1k attack will be for anomaly agents)
I'm currently torn between Caesar and Burnice. Caesar because of Rina Satou and +1k attack, Burnice because cute flamethrower lady who's potentially ZZZ's Xiangling. I guess I should just wait for now. Plenty of things can happen before their banners.
@@nothingtodohere123 Caesar is good for both archetypes, but burnice is more comfortable for anomaly
@@KetteiThe7th_ Caesar's also rumored to also have Lucy and Soukaku on her banner, and I want dupes for both. Yeah...again, not gonna stress out too much for now.
don't forget, of you wanna use Caesar for anomaly team, with Jane, the anomaly resistance build up means that Caesar might very well lower your damage, due to diluting physical anomaly with a lower contribution to the anomaly damage buildup, whoxh gets slower and slower to build up in tough fights
Question for you, do you think Burnice would work on fire teams just as well? I'm asking because I'm curious as to how well she will work with Lighter. Lighter is supposedly going to an S rank Fire Dps, so I want to know what your thoughts on her being a support for him
Yes! She will be good for S11 and Lighter, because she can help keep burn uptime allowing their fire set to have immense value!
what about a grace koleda burnice team?
I think that can work too, but disorder cause stun now after the buff, so I think Seth is better in Koleda spot there but Koleda should still work
Jane is not the Kafka of this game. Burnice might be, but it is also possible that off-field anomaly units like her will be a niche filled by various units just like how we have burst vs. on-field stunners. Either way, Burnice will be the Kafka of disorder teams from her release to whenever another unit like her drops (possibly Yanagi).
i think yanagi will be simialr to burnice
The biggest problem I have with disorder team comps is you are probably only getting weakness to line up with half of your damage.
That will be fixed the longer the game life is and we have anomaly agents for every on field and off field for every element
i find it not smart to say that, having 2 elements that cause damage in a team makes it more versatile if you have a fire weakness it's cool, if you have a physical weakness it's cool.
the only problem would be that the mob has both types as resistances/none on weak types but its very specific
@@mazen7013 I find that is not a very smart approach either. People will have more than 2 teams before very long at all and to clear the toughest stuff will be more a matter of capitalizing fully on weakness rather than just trying to go neutral or slightly better.
@@jaegybomb even if the boss is just fire weakness, or even if its just physical weakness -> jane / burnice / x will destroy it anyway (so its much more versatile, see it that way)
@@mazen7013 I see what you are saying. I think it's just not smart.
Went all in on Jane and feel like I need to take a step back for a while for ZZZ. Jane/Seth/Grace is serving me just fine. Even hit a 1.2million with them! (With resonia of course)
Gonna do jane burnice lucy team or jane burnice caesar (if I will like her in story missions and if she wont be nerfed)
Good luck to ya!
I never really understood why people say anomaly characters are easy to build, because you need a lot of anomaly proficiency to make an anomaly/disorder team work. I also dont think disorder teams are worth it, because it feels terrible to play. I currently have one right now and it is not fun. Im waiting for jane to come out so I can make a Jane, Seth, and Rina team, because that seems like so much fun.
That’s the whole point, burnice will make disorder teams not feel scuffed anymore, and idk what do you mean they’re not easy to build? I have an anomaly profiency on my 4th slot and an anomaly mastery on my 6th slot for piper, with barely any anomaly substats and I cleared everything in the game with her easy. She was by far the easiest character on my entire roster to build cause I didn’t care about substats at all and she gets the job done well
@@KetteiThe7th_ looking back at my team, I realized that I was just trying to optimize how much damage I can get out of disorder 😭
Nah, treat disorder damage as free damage, your anomaly affects are still carrying your overall damage. Burnice will make it so disorder teams can actually competent with crit teams. Even with burnice crit teams will probably still be slightly better but she closes the gap, and future anomaly agents can help close the gap even more.
Thank you Keith very cool
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Can a Lucy Burnice Piper team work? It would be absolutely awesome if all three of my favourite characters can work together in a non copium team
Yes that team will work very well. Caesar is a little bit better than Lucy but Lucy is still great!
take a shot everytime "disorder team" was said xD great vid btw!
LOL
I love that Burnice's kit is centered around off-field efficiency because one of the things that took me a while to get used to is lining up Disorder for maximum damage output. It took a lot of practice for me to not just proc anomaly willy-nilly when using Grace. Not to mention that the final damage on Disorder is dependent on the stats of the first Agent to proc Anomaly. What's more is that it would absolutely let Jane or Piper shine even more due to their high on-field demands to inflict Anomaly. You can basically start a fight with Burnice bulding up fire anomaly before switching her out while still inflicting anomaly without proc'ing, go ham with your main Anomaly, switch back to Burnice to proc Scorch for the Disorder and then immediately switch back to the main Anomaly for a second Disorder. And then with Jane Doe doing all that? Imagine the crit on those Assaults lmao
I still think Jane is better in a team boasting her own personal assault damage as high as possible, but I can’t wait to test it out for myself, and yes nurnice is a massive QoL for disorder
excited to try burn based burnice disorder too... and to top it off.. when physical is co-weakness, totally run Jane, if electric, go with Grace & Rina
Thanks Keith !
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maybe people should just wait and see how well the new characters perform against new enemies in outer ring. Imagine the developer implement factions' advantage against certain mob and boss, so element is not the only thing you need to consider. lol
Sorry the video said the burn discs give 56% crit value ? I read 28 lol wheres the pther 28 coming from?
@FallenSenpai in these game u have to multiply crit rate x 2 then add your crit dmg to get your crit value.
@@KetteiThe7th_ What's the logic of a "crit value" statistic? Seems like its just an average between Crit Rate and Crit Damage to solidify the 1:2 ratio everyone talks about.
Tbh I find it misleading to say you're gaining double of the crit value to most players because it's probably going to be misinterpretted as crit rate. Maybe a video explaining the difference is warranted?
It's also ambiguous because different crit rates/damages can yield the same "crit value" for example:
100 crit 50 crit DMG
or
75 crit 100 crit DMG
I'd argue the second one has the better stats for combat. but both would yield 250 in crit value. There's also no benchmarks presented as aiming for a particular crit value would only be achievable with very specific combinations of the 2 stats. It also doesn't help that crit rate plays a heavier part in this formula but over investing in it will bring down your damage. Hope this makes sense, unless I'm missing something.
… crit value has been a thing for years in hoyo game dating back to Honkai impact. It’s just what everyone uses, if you have 50 crit rate and 100 crit damage from your drive disks you have 200 crit value total. You don’t count the first 5 crit rate and 50 crit damage because that comes by default. So if your character has 55 crit rate and 150 crit damage that means you got 50 crit rate and 100 crit damage from dive disks alone and that puts your crit value for your drive disks at 200 crit value total.
I’m not the one who made this stuff, it’s just the benchmark and metric that been used for YEARS by the entire hoyo community again dating back all the way to Honkai Impact, and genshin, Star rail, and now zzz community uses it aswell. So if you don’t like the metric that fine but it’s just what the vast amount of Theorycrafters and meta players use to determine how good your crit is from your artifacts, relics and now for ZZZ your drive disks
Any opinions on who among Piper or Jane would synergize better in a team with Burnice & Lucy
i would say the diffrence isnt to big for that team, i would rather run piper with burnice and have a seperate team for jane, but thats just me
is jane + burnice good? and who should be in the third slot?
Need to test it, but it should honestly be fine imo
Hoping Burnice/Grace/Piper will be the way to go. A tri-Anomaly would be fantastic. Let off-field Burnice keep burn up while Grace can quick proc shock. Once you got a full energy bar let Piper spin to win while burn continues. Then back to Grace to rebuild the others energy. Continuous disorder procs and it won't feel bad letting Grace/Piper split field time.
@@sparhawk2195 only issue that team is lacking buffs, and it feels unnecessary to try and fit Piper in, back in HSR when Kafka came out people tried 3 nihility and a sustain but people quickly realized soon after that 2 nihility with one harmony unit was more damage than 3 nihility, and this team feels like that same situation, instead of trying to force field time on grace and Piper, take on of them off the team and just add a good buffing support like Seth, Ceasar or Lucy and the benefit is your probably going to do not only more damage overall, but also have a much smoother flowing team. As now u just switch you buffer in to apply the buffs and piper or grace stays on field while burnice stays off field. The team just flows so much better and isn’t clunky now and it most likely doesn’t more damage too. I’ll gladly try this 3 anamoly team on stream but I just can’t see it being better than 2 anomaly 1 buffer unfortunately
@@KetteiThe7th_ with seth it bring 20% built-up anomaly res with 100 AP, does quite a good blocker, enabling grace passive core, its really a win-win sollution i think.. but if somehow burnice passive core doesnt active in this comp.. piper/burnice/lucy might be better
Why would burnice core passive not activate? She only needs another anomaly or sons character, grace piper and Jane are all anomaly
@@KetteiThe7th_ It is an idea and I understand it might not work out. But the idea is you don't need a buffer if you are procing disorder more often. Though it is more likely, as the game encourages you to run a support buffer of some sort, it probably wont work that way. The thought is that it would allow for more of a rotation of use instead of fighting for field time to apply an anomly and then get the next one proc'd asap.
Also don't compare with HSR. It might be the same company but its a different game and mechanics do work differently. What works in one game may not work in the other and vise versa.
Even still buffs are extremely strong in this game and are only going to get stronger, and as we get more supports with even more broken buffs their going to start balancing attack and anomaly characters the 2 DPS classes around having the supports on their teams. That’s how they always do it, so it’s just extremely slim chances that a triple anomaly team could ever just beat a 2 anomaly 1 support team, especially once there’s multiple S rank supports in the game in the future
Shes a must pull, skipping all the way until her banner
Wouldn’t say must pull for any agent, but hey if you love her then good luck to ya!
@@KetteiThe7th_ Thanks! I just really like her design and kit
would go for burnice and yanagi if she is an anomaly
I think yanagi will be an anomaly imo
@@KetteiThe7th_ earlier leaks says she's ether anomaly but changed to electric
Yea she’s electric
Yeah....disorder, totally the reason I'm saving for her, no other considerations..........
@@thegamewoods8473 😏
I want Burnice the most so idk if i should get Jane or Caesar with her. Cant do all 3.
Either one will work, but Caesar is more versatile, you can use her on more teams in the future
Im aiming for Burnice and Ceasar and then the Section 6 girls Yanagi and Miyabi
Good luck to ya!
@@KetteiThe7th_ Thank man, you too!
Bro what if she yells like a female Mauga
“HAHAAAAAAAA!”
@@marcusbullock2753 LOL
I have grace, I really want to pull for burnice, but I don't know if I should pull for Jane also. I allready have 2 strong teams but I want a team focus on burnice in the future idk what to do T-T
@@leonardoklinkers6847 watch my stop overthinking video
go with what you feel like... got Jane accident, trying to get a single Seth copy.. and I've taken a liking to her... but if you already aj e Ellen and Zhu Yuan, you can skip jane without worrying
Disorder is the future. 1.2 really has people split on who to choose a shielder who also buffs or a pyromaniac who's good at keeping enemies burned and allow disorder. Burnice is also good because most ethereals are weak to fire
the corrupted thugs > ethereals are the ones weak to fire, res to electric.
They’re not very prominent the current and previous critical shiyu rotations, but perhaps in 1.2 and beyond, they’ll get more appearances at the higher nodes
Your voice .... so ... su.. Sugo.... sugooiiiiiii
LOL
Great now I really don't know who I want to pull for atm lmao
Watch my 3 things you should consider when pulling video
so.. she can't be on-field dps?
u could probably make it work
@@KetteiThe7th_ yeah, i have s11 it might works. the thing is, I just wanted her to appear more often on screen lol
You’ll get the most out of her when she’s off field
i still like chicken🗿
Chicken is so goated
I need her for soldier 11👀🔥🔥🔥
good luck to ya!
Hmmm so i have to get Seth and hope i will get him before i reach pity. But if i reach pity and still no Seth and i will have to pray not to get Jane to guarantee Burnice so i can finally have a decent team for my Grace !!! Any other character to pair with Grace and Burnice instead of Seth ?
Rina
Nah, i'm tired of so many waifu / fan service characters
I'm saving my pulls to the leaked red boar dude
PIG MAN
We dont know if he will be playable or just npc. Maybe he will be a rank in lighters banner tho
@@markhui i hope he's S rank. I don't want a Green Hair kirito, after all he's supposed to be the real creator of sons of calidon faction.
@@dualathloner from the two of them i would chose big daddy too but lighters wengine is 5*. Ngl lighters design looks like 4* and i thought he would be on caesars or burnices banner.
They changed him cause they already have, Lucy and Piper. It was enough justification to try and get more money out of him