what you're actually describing is the oval/belgiun cast. Works well not only for streamers, but also for anytime you might be using split shot, or antrhing that might put weight on the line.
Great tip. I was casting a big streamer the other day with the standard cast and it was frustrating. This makes perfect sense. I’m definitely going to do this next time. Thank you
Another great casting lesson! I really appreciate these videos. They have helped me immensely. Consistency has been my enemy, but it’s not due to a lack of practice. I have developed some bad habits over the years and am finding it really tough to break myself from them. These are helping me, so THANKS!
I switched from weighted (e.g. sculpzilla) to unweighted streamers, as the former was providing that "rod shock" you describe unexpectedly. Now I know to use the Belgian Cast you demonstrate, so thank you, Joe ! 😉
I just returned from a still water fishing trip and noted this issue with weighted streamers on my 5-wt rod. The line slack and subsequent line shock made casting frustrating. It will be great to start using your recommended technique. Thanks much!
Joe thanks for the vid. I know you said when casting a heavy fly your back stroke should be wide and your front stroke tight. While watching the vid I noticed it looks like you are almost doing a belgium cast which the way I understand it is a constant pressure cast is this what you are doing?
great tips on the last two clips guys!! you should touch a bit the belgian/oval cast also, as always, very help full tips red fly shop!! Thank you for sharing
Yes, I think in one of the outakes I talked about the Belgian wind cast but felt like I may lose some folks. Obviously not you haha. Thanks for the props!
@@Mkeflyfish It is often called a "Constant Pressure Cast" or a "Belgian Wind Cast" with the idea that rod always remains loaded to a small degree and never goes slack, consant motion to prevent wind or in this case "shock" from a weighted fly to erode the cast.
Yup, been doing this for a long time. Constant contact if you have not developed it already is HUGE for two flies/indicator setup, especially with heavy flies or shot.
Have fun pitchin' the big stuff. Shouldn't be as much of a chore if you stay tight to the fly the entire time. Thanks for the good vibes and the comment. Good luck!
Watching this video just made me realize that I don’t have to start with a bunch of fly line out in front of me with my 7wt. Shooting line is the name of the game. With sinking tip and the weighted fly in the equation, the method of shooting line, especially with the 7wt, becomes more apparent. Does that make sense?
Great question! It depends a bit on the situation, if I'm trying to get deep with a floating line I might run all the way out to 10', but am typically around 7-8' with floating lines and 3-5' on sink tips.
Interesting that I've never heard this anywhere. Makes a lot of sense though that you would actually use a different technique for streamers. There are some similarities to Euro casting. I rarely fish streamers, but I'm looking to do it more. I look forward to trying this out - I can already tell it should work well, thanks.
So I’m new and I admit I was doing what you were talking about. With bream and a four weight I was good but when I went to the streamer it would tap the water in from of me and lose its momentum and after the back cast would fall in the weeds. The heavier streamers and clauser minnows are night and day different. Should I practice in my yard with weights equal to the streamer weight
You can certainly practice with a streamer that has the hook cut off. Work on staying "connected" to the streamer at all times and keep the rod under "constant pressure" without getting slack in the line.
Great reason to have some spey gear along: an extra spool with running line and a shooting head for your favorite regular single hander can free you up from the need for that long back cast. Plus the fact that water-anchored casting forms love big sloppy flies, and are just plain fun. Just a thought....
Yes, essentially the same thing. I would have to consult a text book to say that with 100% certainty because some internet Alpha would correct me haha. But yes, both rely on constant pressure.
False casting?! Say it ain't so, Joe! The first day I ever held a fly rod was in your boat and you ordered me to stop that false casting, complete with mention of some movie with Brad Pitt and likening it to something teenage boys do in their private time. To this day, I don't false-cast. =)
Ha I think I have the picture. You fish like my dad does. For every time he presents a fly to a fish there are 6, 8, 10 false casts. For every time he successfully presents a fly to a fish he untangles his leader twice. I cannot get him to quit it and exactly like he said it's some sort of pathology about a bygone era where presumably they didn't have fly flotant and false casts dry the fly and blah blah. That said it's not that he needs to do no false casting but it does introduce a lot of unnecessary drama to the process. My younger brother didnt take up the sport till he was older (my fault) and he thought the goal was to have the fish grab the fly out of the air (from watching all the false casts)
This guy makes the best fly fishing vids
Oh thanks Tom, I love what I get to do here at Red's and appreciate the kind words!
This is very helpful. 25 yrs of fishing and I’ve never been good at casting heavy flies. Thank you!
what you're actually describing is the oval/belgiun cast. Works well not only for streamers, but also for anytime you might be using split shot, or antrhing that might put weight on the line.
Yes, exactly. Most wouldn't know that term, I always try to describe "constant pressure" when teaching in person lessons.
Wish I would have watched this before my Alaska trip last week! doh! I ready for the next streamer trip now.
very nice technique and details this is the only video i found on yt thats helpful on this matter
Great tip. I was casting a big streamer the other day with the standard cast and it was frustrating. This makes perfect sense. I’m definitely going to do this next time. Thank you
Thanks! It's a bit like throwing a rock with a sling. Start slow and keep it under tension. Appreciate you watching and the nice words!
I found this extremely informative and look forward to testing this technique on the next fish!
Another great casting lesson! I really appreciate these videos. They have helped me immensely. Consistency has been my enemy, but it’s not due to a lack of practice. I have developed some bad habits over the years and am finding it really tough to break myself from them. These are helping me, so THANKS!
You are so welcome, thank you for your service sir. Never met ya, but I admire ya. Thank you and enjoy the outdoors.
Great content as always! Thank you for spreading your knowledge to those who are lucky enough to listen and put it to practice!
I switched from weighted (e.g. sculpzilla) to unweighted streamers, as the former was providing that "rod shock" you describe unexpectedly. Now I know to use the Belgian Cast you demonstrate, so thank you, Joe ! 😉
I just returned from a still water fishing trip and noted this issue with weighted streamers on my 5-wt rod. The line slack and subsequent line shock made casting frustrating. It will be great to start using your recommended technique. Thanks much!
Joe thanks for the vid. I know you said when casting a heavy fly your back stroke should be wide and your front stroke tight. While watching the vid I noticed it looks like you are almost doing a belgium cast which the way I understand it is a constant pressure cast is this what you are doing?
great tips on the last two clips guys!!
you should touch a bit the belgian/oval cast also, as always, very help full tips red fly shop!!
Thank you for sharing
Yes, I think in one of the outakes I talked about the Belgian wind cast but felt like I may lose some folks. Obviously not you haha. Thanks for the props!
Is this cast called a Belgian cast? Or something different?
@@Mkeflyfish It is often called a "Constant Pressure Cast" or a "Belgian Wind Cast" with the idea that rod always remains loaded to a small degree and never goes slack, consant motion to prevent wind or in this case "shock" from a weighted fly to erode the cast.
@@Mkeflyfish fundamentals are the same as the belgian or oval cast
@@redsflyshop Thank you for the reply
Works great to keep indicators two flies and shot from tangling as well.
Yup, been doing this for a long time. Constant contact if you have not developed it already is HUGE for two flies/indicator setup, especially with heavy flies or shot.
Yes great input, keeps you squared away and untangled.
Amazing video as usual, thanks joe!!
Oh thank you very kind of you.
Excellent! Your a great teacher.
I think the word you’re looking for is “elliptical” in describing the casting motion.
I’m off to a mown field to practice. Thanks!
Yes, thank you!
Great advice, also works with salmon tubes etc.
Yes it does! Thank you.
Awesome video, thank you! Can’t wait to try this out.
Have fun pitchin' the big stuff. Shouldn't be as much of a chore if you stay tight to the fly the entire time. Thanks for the good vibes and the comment. Good luck!
Watching this video just made me realize that I don’t have to start with a bunch of fly line out in front of me with my 7wt. Shooting line is the name of the game. With sinking tip and the weighted fly in the equation, the method of shooting line, especially with the 7wt, becomes more apparent. Does that make sense?
Joe can you review the NRX + 5 weight? I casted the 6 and was blown away. Can't find out local
SO SO helpful!! Thank you, Joe!
Oh you are welcome, I hope you are firing that big heavy setup with ease after this!
“Opening the loop” is what I’ve heard it referred to
Nice video Joe. What type and length of leader are you using for big streamers?
Great question! It depends a bit on the situation, if I'm trying to get deep with a floating line I might run all the way out to 10', but am typically around 7-8' with floating lines and 3-5' on sink tips.
Basically doing a Belgian cast?
Yup, it's the same. Constant tension in the line
Interesting that I've never heard this anywhere. Makes a lot of sense though that you would actually use a different technique for streamers. There are some similarities to Euro casting. I rarely fish streamers, but I'm looking to do it more. I look forward to trying this out - I can already tell it should work well, thanks.
Thanks so much, very good support here thank you.
Back wide, forward tight, constant pressure. Thanks!
You're welcome, stick with that style and you'll keep tight control over those big awkward flies. Thanks for watching!
So I’m new and I admit I was doing what you were talking about. With bream and a four weight I was good but when I went to the streamer it would tap the water in from of me and lose its momentum and after the back cast would fall in the weeds. The heavier streamers and clauser minnows are night and day different. Should I practice in my yard with weights equal to the streamer weight
The streamers was with an 8wt I was gifted btw
You can certainly practice with a streamer that has the hook cut off. Work on staying "connected" to the streamer at all times and keep the rod under "constant pressure" without getting slack in the line.
Hey joe could you throw a galloups dungeon with a 4 weight? Or should I upgrade to a 6 or 7 weight I use 2 weights for nymphs and streamers sometimes
Oh I would say get a #6, the Sage PAYLOAD will launch that big streamer.
Very good job!
What's the streamer strategy when you have no room for backcasting due to thick brush?
Great reason to have some spey gear along: an extra spool with running line and a shooting head for your favorite regular single hander can free you up from the need for that long back cast. Plus the fact that water-anchored casting forms love big sloppy flies, and are just plain fun.
Just a thought....
Yea, 2nd that. The shortest Skagit head you can find. Probably an OPST Commando Smooth with a short tip. Shorter the better.
Thanks for this video! Is that the same as a Belgian cast?
Yes, essentially the same thing. I would have to consult a text book to say that with 100% certainty because some internet Alpha would correct me haha. But yes, both rely on constant pressure.
@@redsflyshop LOL! Thanks! Great videos.
God damn you’re the GOAT, dude.
Hey I'm not sure about that but it's nice that you appreciate what I try to do here at Red's. Have a great rest of your day.
Similar to a Belgian cast?
Yes exactly.
Thank you!
You bet, hope this was helpful.
Awesome thank you wonderful advice.
You are so welcome!
Great video. Thank you for sharing.
False casting?! Say it ain't so, Joe! The first day I ever held a fly rod was in your boat and you ordered me to stop that false casting, complete with mention of some movie with Brad Pitt and likening it to something teenage boys do in their private time. To this day, I don't false-cast. =)
Ha I think I have the picture. You fish like my dad does. For every time he presents a fly to a fish there are 6, 8, 10 false casts. For every time he successfully presents a fly to a fish he untangles his leader twice. I cannot get him to quit it and exactly like he said it's some sort of pathology about a bygone era where presumably they didn't have fly flotant and false casts dry the fly and blah blah.
That said it's not that he needs to do no false casting but it does introduce a lot of unnecessary drama to the process.
My younger brother didnt take up the sport till he was older (my fault) and he thought the goal was to have the fish grab the fly out of the air (from watching all the false casts)
This is a lot harder than it looks 😂
Constant tension.
Exactly.
Actually that’s a small streamer I thought more of pike or musky streamers here 😂
Oh yes in comparison yes, for casting on a six'er it's pretty good sized. All relative, on an 8-10 weight you wouldn't even feel it.