Mullins is THE most thoughtful and generous artist I know in modern times. He completely changed my views on art. Thanks Ash for the interview, this is a wonderful wonderful episode.
This is probably the most candid Craig has ever been, and the most he's ever talked in a recorded interview. When he brought up Sijun forums, it made me really nostalgic. Those were the good ol' days and we don't have anything like that anymore (I searched, and the closest I found was Crimson Daggers, but it's just a a couple of handful of regulars postings, me included). Discord, subreddits, and social media are just not the same as the forum experience.
I would like to note that it is possible to perfectly synthesize the mystical religious worldview and art. I am a deeply religious person, but I in no way reject science. For me, religion is the essence of life and the impulse for creativity. The very nature of beauty and harmony is inherent in man. Only we, in the context of present perception, have self-awareness. Only we can appreciate the greatest and boundless power of art. And all those physiological and biological processes are only a consequence of that divine spark that inspires us to live and create. Thanks a lot. It was great listening to you guys.
Why I make pretty pictures? Because the joy of drawing itself, the feeling of drawing, controlling the pencil against the paper, movement of the finger, hand, elbow, arm coordinating with the brain and the eyes. The feeling of making a line, a stroke is amazing, the joy of just sketching freely. Ai or photobashing removes the drawing part completely, I feel dead inside when using Ai or doing photo bash, the drawing process is what makes me feel alive.
I’ve been a fan of Mr Goodbrush for decades and remember so well the sijun days. Thanks for putting this together. Fascinating to hear him speak and learn more about how he thinks. But i think you may have barely scratched the surface. With minds like these there’s a thick layer of troll to get through before you get to the real artist. Hopefully you guys can do a part 2 some day and get a little deeper. Loved it!
I don't see why thinking that human activity/intelligence/consciousness/culture etc, is not outside of "nature" leads to a deterministic ontology. I think we can have free will and see our activity as part of nature at the same time. What we call nature is just a lot more fundamentally permeating through everything we think and do, whereas it's most often thought of as a background upon which we think and do. I don't believe that nature plays out entirely deterministically, quantum mechanics pretty much says otherwise. Everything is just so much more fundamentally chaotic than we're comfortable formulating.
Disagreeing totally with Ash and Craig as much as I love them. This vulnerability to get metaphysical because you might end up looking like insecure and naive could be very damaging. Things like virtues and love exist in the metaphysical realm, since they have no measure outside of your head. If you go full materialistic, virtues do not exist, there is only "power" since thats the most obvious measurement you could use to estimate your value in the material world .This mindset is very dangerous and damaging to society. Those who are familiar with Jung probably know his quote, that the opposite of love is not hate, its the will to power. Living in extremely capitalistic society and having this mindset is probably the worst combination we could have as a species. Kind of sad that Craig compared his work to selling sparkly water for kids (he almost sounds like the marketing guys from the Matrix 4), the whole point of art is elevating the human spirit above our every day wants and needs , away from consumerism and into thriving in our creative potential. However comparing Craig's work to selling sparkly water actually sends the message that the meaning we get from art is just chemical reactions in our brain and like Ash calls it - a drug. This is total BS and cheapens the idea of art turning it the most extreme capitalistic ideas , that in the end of the day everything is a product and nothing more. If we follow their logic to its end point -> I should stop using the word mother - because it has many metaphysical meanings and replace it with " that birth-ing person, who calls me on Sundays ". Many movie people nowadays seem so uninspired to listen to, packaging their view as positive sounding cynicism / capitalistic apologetics That said I would always have big respect and love for both Ash and Craig.
Thanks for the episode and the podcast. I have huge respect and admiration for Craig as an artist. Some of his non-art views rubbed me up the wrong way to be honest. I know we wouldn't get on if we were in a pub sinking a few pints together but that's what's great about interview shows like The Collective Podcast. You find out more about the person behind the artwork.
Craig is spitting 0s and 1s as usual. He is a cyborg =) I don't even understand how he has the motivation to live with such a high level mindset. Downscaling everything to material. I love him. About robots, maybe instead of destroying humans, AI decides existing doesn't matter anymore and self destructs.
Thanks for the interview. Craig sounds like he would like to be software developer in another life :D. The trolling regarding Photoshop didn't really affect me that much to be honest. I actually agree. Whether you might like or not like Adobe as a company, you have to admit that Photoshop is brilliant piece of software. At the same time there is plenty of other similar programs that have potential to be just as good or even better in the future than Photoshop. I got similar appreciacion when I use Blender. On every step of using it I see that lots of effort went into making of this program.
I think that explaining "mystical/spiritual" things sort of reduce its experience since the medium of explaining it is very limited, language. If we maybe can transfer experiences in the future. That would probably do it more justice.
Great interview. Craig is definitely thinking on a different level than most artists, so much like Ash, I'll have to chew on some of the ideas he threw out there! lol I think it's interesting what Craig thinks about Photoshop ('Photoshop is a more amazing creation than anything that has come out of Photoshop'), because I think it really depends on how you look at it. Photoshop can't even exist without the user (eg - the artist) using it - same with any technology, really - and yet, as a tool for art it is an extremely advanced tool that has evolved into something interesting in its own way. It's helped create a boom in the amount of photographers, designers, illustrators, etc. out there, but again it would never have evolved into the "amazing creation" it is today without people using it and then others like Craig to kick down the door and show us its potential. It's kind-of a cool symbiotic relationship the artist has with their tools that makes the creation of artwork fascinating to me. 🙂 I don't know what this says about ai-generated art, but I guess we'll find out eventually. Also love the book Breath. Picked it up along with his other book Deep after I came across this lecture the author did a few years ago: ua-cam.com/video/aH9boP9pksM/v-deo.html
I think the first chunk of the podcast not having anything directly to do with art likely caused the viewers to drop off which unfortunately sends a clear signal to the algorithm not to share it (not that I'm saying any dispariging about it)
@AndyWalsh not sure if that's fair to say, they're talking about their lives as professional artists, how is that unrelated to art? i found the convo quite refreshing compared to the art stuff i usually do get recommended - the algorithm is just bad
@@oowaz well, it got a few dislikes, which I wondered about. Having been doing a lot of research into video content lately, especially youtube analytics, I can pretty much guess what people are doing and it's just how attention span works these days. You literally have to capture an audience's attention immediately and hold it, or they're gone.
@@AndyWalsh thats why i say its a shame, yeah things in internet DO work like this, that dosent mean tis fair or the best thing for us users. the platforms are only concerned about profit this days, not the best user experience, we should rebel against that.
The way you know society is not well is that someone as smart as Craig is afraid that saying a bunch of based in reality stuff will get you cancelled. Sad part is he’s right…
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Mullins is THE most thoughtful and generous artist I know in modern times. He completely changed my views on art. Thanks Ash for the interview, this is a wonderful wonderful episode.
This is probably the most candid Craig has ever been, and the most he's ever talked in a recorded interview. When he brought up Sijun forums, it made me really nostalgic. Those were the good ol' days and we don't have anything like that anymore (I searched, and the closest I found was Crimson Daggers, but it's just a a couple of handful of regulars postings, me included). Discord, subreddits, and social media are just not the same as the forum experience.
god i love craig, such a breath of fresh air to listen to him, appreciate you sharing this ash, cheers
I would like to note that it is possible to perfectly synthesize the mystical religious worldview and art. I am a deeply religious person, but I in no way reject science. For me, religion is the essence of life and the impulse for creativity. The very nature of beauty and harmony is inherent in man. Only we, in the context of present perception, have self-awareness. Only we can appreciate the greatest and boundless power of art. And all those physiological and biological processes are only a consequence of that divine spark that inspires us to live and create. Thanks a lot. It was great listening to you guys.
Why I make pretty pictures? Because the joy of drawing itself, the feeling of drawing, controlling the pencil against the paper, movement of the finger, hand, elbow, arm coordinating with the brain and the eyes. The feeling of making a line, a stroke is amazing, the joy of just sketching freely. Ai or photobashing removes the drawing part completely, I feel dead inside when using Ai or doing photo bash, the drawing process is what makes me feel alive.
This flew under the radar! Almost missed this! Thank you Ash!
30 min in and so much has been covered and explored. Would love to listen to Craig daily
I’ve been a fan of Mr Goodbrush for decades and remember so well the sijun days. Thanks for putting this together. Fascinating to hear him speak and learn more about how he thinks. But i think you may have barely scratched the surface. With minds like these there’s a thick layer of troll to get through before you get to the real artist. Hopefully you guys can do a part 2 some day and get a little deeper. Loved it!
Absolutely with you Craig Mullins. I'm a working concept artist and have always been a materialist. Interesting chat. Thanks.
That was deep. Great to hear Craigs thoughts on composition.
I'm surprised Craig is such a committed materialist when so many of his works are beautifully abstract and fluid and open to interpretation.
I Cannot see the the contradiction
only 10k view that's a shame, i'm almost at the end and I agree with almost everything. so good conversation
Congrats ! Years in the making ✌️
Thank you both for sharing all these amazing insights!! I really enjoyed this podcast and learned so much! I’m looking forward to the next one!
I like that the track you use for your podcast is Drunk Dial
This was amazing. Thank you!
Great and enlightening conversation!
The “… DaVinci got nothing on me baby…” almost killed me! 😂
I don't see why thinking that human activity/intelligence/consciousness/culture etc, is not outside of "nature" leads to a deterministic ontology. I think we can have free will and see our activity as part of nature at the same time. What we call nature is just a lot more fundamentally permeating through everything we think and do, whereas it's most often thought of as a background upon which we think and do. I don't believe that nature plays out entirely deterministically, quantum mechanics pretty much says otherwise. Everything is just so much more fundamentally chaotic than we're comfortable formulating.
Disagreeing totally with Ash and Craig as much as I love them. This vulnerability to get metaphysical because you might end up looking like insecure and naive could be very damaging.
Things like virtues and love exist in the metaphysical realm, since they have no measure outside of your head. If you go full materialistic, virtues do not exist, there is only "power" since thats the most obvious measurement you could use to estimate your value in the material world .This mindset is very dangerous and damaging to society. Those who are familiar with Jung probably know his quote, that the opposite of love is not hate, its the will to power. Living in extremely capitalistic society and having this mindset is probably the worst combination we could have as a species. Kind of sad that Craig compared his work to selling sparkly water for kids (he almost sounds like the marketing guys from the Matrix 4), the whole point of art is elevating the human spirit above our every day wants and needs , away from consumerism and into thriving in our creative potential. However comparing Craig's work to selling sparkly water actually sends the message that the meaning we get from art is just chemical reactions in our brain and like Ash calls it - a drug. This is total BS and cheapens the idea of art turning it the most extreme capitalistic ideas , that in the end of the day everything is a product and nothing more. If we follow their logic to its end point -> I should stop using the word mother - because it has many metaphysical meanings and replace it with " that birth-ing person, who calls me on Sundays ". Many movie people nowadays seem so uninspired to listen to, packaging their view as positive sounding cynicism / capitalistic apologetics
That said I would always have big respect and love for both Ash and Craig.
Thanks for the episode and the podcast.
I have huge respect and admiration for Craig as an artist. Some of his non-art views rubbed me up the wrong way to be honest. I know we wouldn't get on if we were in a pub sinking a few pints together but that's what's great about interview shows like The Collective Podcast. You find out more about the person behind the artwork.
care to elaborate?
Craig is spitting 0s and 1s as usual. He is a cyborg =) I don't even understand how he has the motivation to live with such a high level mindset. Downscaling everything to material. I love him. About robots, maybe instead of destroying humans, AI decides existing doesn't matter anymore and self destructs.
A book related to Denial of Death that is easier to digest is Worm at the Core, highly recommend reading both
Amazing chapter, every time I heard Craig I'm very curious how he process the world. Insightful, thanks Ash
Thanks for the interview.
Craig sounds like he would like to be software developer in another life :D. The trolling regarding Photoshop didn't really affect me that much to be honest. I actually agree. Whether you might like or not like Adobe as a company, you have to admit that Photoshop is brilliant piece of software. At the same time there is plenty of other similar programs that have potential to be just as good or even better in the future than Photoshop. I got similar appreciacion when I use Blender. On every step of using it I see that lots of effort went into making of this program.
Legend
Craaaaig!
I think that explaining "mystical/spiritual" things sort of reduce its experience since the medium of explaining it is very limited, language. If we maybe can transfer experiences in the future. That would probably do it more justice.
Great interview. Craig is definitely thinking on a different level than most artists, so much like Ash, I'll have to chew on some of the ideas he threw out there! lol
I think it's interesting what Craig thinks about Photoshop ('Photoshop is a more amazing creation than anything that has come out of Photoshop'), because I think it really depends on how you look at it. Photoshop can't even exist without the user (eg - the artist) using it - same with any technology, really - and yet, as a tool for art it is an extremely advanced tool that has evolved into something interesting in its own way. It's helped create a boom in the amount of photographers, designers, illustrators, etc. out there, but again it would never have evolved into the "amazing creation" it is today without people using it and then others like Craig to kick down the door and show us its potential. It's kind-of a cool symbiotic relationship the artist has with their tools that makes the creation of artwork fascinating to me. 🙂 I don't know what this says about ai-generated art, but I guess we'll find out eventually.
Also love the book Breath. Picked it up along with his other book Deep after I came across this lecture the author did a few years ago: ua-cam.com/video/aH9boP9pksM/v-deo.html
its a shame how youtube dont recomend this videos... just seing this now
same, every once and i while i google craig mullins to see what's up with him and find gems like this
I think the first chunk of the podcast not having anything directly to do with art likely caused the viewers to drop off which unfortunately sends a clear signal to the algorithm not to share it (not that I'm saying any dispariging about it)
@AndyWalsh not sure if that's fair to say, they're talking about their lives as professional artists, how is that unrelated to art? i found the convo quite refreshing compared to the art stuff i usually do get recommended - the algorithm is just bad
@@oowaz well, it got a few dislikes, which I wondered about. Having been doing a lot of research into video content lately, especially youtube analytics, I can pretty much guess what people are doing and it's just how attention span works these days. You literally have to capture an audience's attention immediately and hold it, or they're gone.
@@AndyWalsh thats why i say its a shame, yeah things in internet DO work like this, that dosent mean tis fair or the best thing for us users. the platforms are only concerned about profit this days, not the best user experience, we should rebel against that.
I love the podcast but could you at-least post the correct social media accounts of Craig Mullins.
The way you know society is not well is that someone as smart as Craig is afraid that saying a bunch of based in reality stuff will get you cancelled. Sad part is he’s right…
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