@@Fabio_Garzena I think that was an alternative ship. Q transported them to the alternative present where they stole that timeline's version of La Sirena and used it to go to the past (prime timeline we assume). That's the vessel that Jurati took.
I think La Sirena is basically Raphaella's home and is a metaphorical equivalent of her Trailer park home from season one. But they didn't really bother using it much or at least not showing it in external establishing shots, they just showed the inside set mostly and very v ery rarely when the plot demanded it do you see the out side of it. A Voyager style "cruising establishments shot" would have been useful at a few points, since the location interiors are so dark and the villain's ship uses part of the same internal set to know where you are would be nice. Maybe they just used up a lot of budget on the Shrike.
Have you considered they beamed the ship into the cargo bay as parts? That is why they needed to beam Worf and Raffi to the transporter room. When they want to use it again they will beam it back together. Flat pack Ikea ship.
They might have left it in Bay 12 of the Museum when the toy the Enterprise D It would have been nice to show it sitting there as when the Enterprise left space dock in the movies it wasn't leaving an empty bay.
A flatpack ikea ship is actually a pretty solid idea. I can imagine even irl's future that would save a lot of space, assuming we could do something like beaming it back together. Might borrow that idea for a few KSP ships
I think you covered it: They filmed Word and Raffi on La Sirena and then struck the set before they moved into the bulk of season 3. WRT "Forgetting" other things: While there is no way the writers could have responded to the reaction to season 2, if there was enough online hate for season 1, they learned that getting rid of the S1 characters, or most of them, would be a priority for seasons 2 and 3. Hence Agnes and Rios are written out in Season 2, and Laris only appears in S3 episode 1, which was also probably filmed during the S2 block. Raffi is the only "new" character who hasn't been killed off, and even then, she's stopped calling Picard JL because fans hated that. She will probably be killed off in the first season of "Legacy," when we will learn that Elnor died when the Excelsior was destroyed on Frontier Day, Matalas' statement to the contrary notwithstanding. Moral: Be careful what you wish for from Hollywood...and don't whine about it when you get it.
I assumed they left the La Sirena parked in the Chin'Toka scrapyard to be retrieved at a later point. Since there are lots of wrecked starships there no one would probably bother it.
The La Sirena is larger then a Danube class Runabout, now I can buy it fitting inside the Enterprise D's main shuttle bay that thing is huge but not the Titan A/Enterprise G. This ship seems to pass from person to person so maybe Worf has it now or Picard does. Maybe if they ever make Star Trek Legacy we'll see it parked at the Vineyard lol.
@@ArtistryBranson I read somewhere that the ship was modeled after a guitar, so the paint job is no surprise. I could see it repainted however esp if Picard now owns it, probably have the Picard Family Logo on the side and be used to deliver his wine around the quadrent lol.
The strange thing is the La Sirena still existing at all. At the end of Season 2, Jurati took off with it while still in the 21st century. She didn't use it to travel back to her own time, instead building her new version of the Borg and preparing for her eventual encounter with the Stargazer. Did she keep the La Sirena somewhere for 400 years and give it back, or is Raffi simply using a another ship of the same design?
My theory is that La Serreina can fold herself or they made a special dock for her to morph to the Titan. If what they say is true that La Serreina is stored somewhere in Titan. But the ship is one vital part of the show where is it?
Having an entire holographic ship captained by the dr with a holographic bridge would be cool What i dont understand with the battle with the borg is that they left the defiant and voyager behind which was battle ready The lassuruna was forgotten, also all tech from season 1 It was such a dark ship There was that devise in the borg rhat can transport them light distances in the borg ship and the technology at the end of voyager and when does Janeway go back in time to save voyager And why is the titan lacking things like quantum slipstream drive and multiphasic torpedo's which are used at the end of voyager There are so many underused tech in the show . Why is there no individual fighters in star trek or did they forget about the swarm tech in the films It was so annooying that they firgot abiut the kamikasi nature of the domionion ships as they mentioned the shapeshifters but forget the weyons and jem hadar Imagine the borg using dominion ships Species 8472 massacred the borg ships There is so much tech that is forgotten in the show but in the new trek jt js more like magic
From Geordi's complaints, it sounded like they were requiring the old ships networked as well, so sending the D made sense as it wasn't entirely complete
lol they forget WAY more. For instance the la sirena went away with the borg for a very long time. And came back. its been gone for like 300 years. With borg tech on it. So lets say Rios got the ship just after the burning of mars. it still a old ship. Or the federation having ships linked to each other even though in progeny its shown to be dumb Or that the transporters have many filters and logs to stop borg stuff or that captians can lock down ships with commands from those drones or not using any of the other ships are the museum for the mission to dysion institute. Like voyager was there. Even without its future upgrades it was still a very strong ship. And was not linked to the fleet 2. Or the bird of prey or kronos or other bird of prey. etc etc i loved season 3. but plote holes where a plenty
Its not really canon, but id take a wager and say worf now commands la sirena. Since its still going places. Plus 7 of 9's first officer would of given it to her friend considering she was taking the role of first officer aboard the enterprise
Doubt CPT Shaw (I think his name was) would allow it on his Titan. He was strictly by the book at the beginning of season 3. I believe it would be only Starfleet equipment on board
I would respect the writers more if they just admitted the writers forgot the La Sirena. I could see them saying it's in a close orbit to the star they were at and was retrieved later. It's not perfect, but makes some sense. I could also see them using it to send a dummy signal to help distract Star Fleet. The fact that it wouldn't work doesn't hurt the story because they don't realize that at the time. But the fact is, the writers are put under a stupid amount of pressure and have practically no time to write these scripts, and yes I'm talking about the writer's strike now. I'd rather them forget the ship than a whole ass person.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail and every way shape and form possibly provided indeed👌.
Technically The Jurati Borg Queen ran off with the La Sirena at the end of season 2, So unless Q duplicated the shi[p when he returned every one to the present day? But from what have seen they re used the same sets for the Titan and the Stargazer in order to save on production costs...
Even though from our perspective this was a "hero ship," in the grand scheme of things om Starfleet, this was just another transport ship. I'm sure there's some Lower Deck officer that took command and took the La Sirena to the nearest starbase. Upon arrival, the ship would either be mothballed or she would be repurposed for another mission. Since it was not a capital ship of the line for Starfleet, it was just tuned up or refit and shuffled into the rotation for the next mission.
I have a solution. It's parked at some location and a long distance teleporting was performed. This is the 25th century. It's very plausible for long range transporting. If you remember that alternate reality Abramsverse were Spock (old Spock from prime timeline) teleports Kirk and Scotty from a moon to a starship that was already in warp and some considerable distance away using transporters that were far older tech than anything around in TNG --------------->Picard era. Spock knew this was possible. Therefore, this long range teleporting was known by Spock before he was sent back to alternate 2230s-2250s which was known already by 2380s in the prime timeline if not quite a bit earlier considering it was Scotty's (prime timeline) equation. This would be standard operating procedures and built in equations to transporters by this timeframe. Long range transporting would make sense as it would also allow the ship to be parked somewhere as it was not needed at the moment in time in the mission at hand. So it could have been parked at some station or moon base somewhere and then use transporter in long range mode. Just needed to be close enough for the transporter link to reach the Titan to make the link. It's possible the La Sirena was already parked in a starbase or station. The ship Raffi was on, and used in the SI mission may be just a ship assigned for the mission. Even then, ships would be equipped with long range transporter. When she was on the SI mission, was she using the La Sirena? If not, it could be a warp capable transport shuttle vessel. If it was, they would have parked it somewhere because it wouldn't fit inside, so transporter technology works just fine. They don't need to be so close you see the two ships on the screen. The warp technology Scotty used and then Kahn made use of in Alternate 2250s was introduced to him by old Spock who came with knowledge he knew in the 2380s in prime timeline. Remember, that transporter Kahn used could teleport a person from Earth to Klingon homeworld. That's a considerable range. It should be plausible to teleport a ship parked somewhere to another ship more than a light year distance apart by 2400s.
I think I will head canon that Worf activated the Holographic functions and told the ship to go hide somewhere, go and wait at the museum or let the holocrew do what the like with it until they needed it again.
The better question is, how could La Sirena even still be around during season 3 since Jurati and her Borg offshoots took it in the 21st century. And yes that was in the prime timeline. Renee had gone on her mission snd everything was corrected by that point. This is why the crew were stranded and Q had to send them back to the 25th century. The fact is that they had the sets, CG model, a small budget and the hope that no one would notice this continuity error. Unless in addition to saving Elnor’s life, Q bonused the La Sirena as well which seems out of character for him.
There was two La Sirena star ships. The "Original" stayed with the fleet, like U.S.S Stargazer. The "Borg One" was the Confederate La Sirena from the Alt-Timeline. Therefore the original one still exists. - Jack
the Defiant was constantly changing size in DS9 to fit the scene so there's no reason why they can't just change La Sirena's size to fit into the hangar bay
I thought the doctor/borg queen took La Sirena in the past and Q sent the remaining crew forward in time without it. I figured Rafi was just on a generic unnamed ship.
Doesn't matter. There are lots of movies where the hero parks his car, walks away, and we never see it again. I assume that in 2401, you can park a space ship somewhere.
The La Sirena was reliable transport - nothing more, nothing less. It served it's purpose...until the cast could all jump on a starship and save the universe. Hope you guys aren't running out of subject matter😀
I watched the first two seasons, couldn't tell you the name of the ship, nor the shape of the ship. The bridge looked like a dingy cargo bay. Neelix had a ship. Isn't used. No big deal.
To be honest I don't believe any starships even their biggest could fit the La Sirena I just thought like many ships of the past it was put into a museum or something I don't think the federation would sell ships. Nor would they scrap it and recycle it for futer designs.
I’ve watched all episodes of Star Trek: Picard but I’m bit confused, I thought said ship had been taken by the Borg Queen when if left Picards future château. I know she was from a deleted timeline but she did end up in the Delta Quadrant or am I missing something?
I just need an explanation for ommitting the Agnes Queen. I mean, Borg signals all over & she didn't have a clue about it? & where did the other queen come from if Agnes & the Borg Queen were fused into one being? I would have thought solving this issue would have aided Agnes Queen in her application to join the Federation. Your's, Very confused
It's a different collective. That borg queen was from the alternate timeline created by Q, that then helped them travel back in time before the branch point in the timeline. Presumably they are still watching the big hole in space. Honestly - I think it's just best to not think about the first 2 seasons of picard.
Because the first two seasons aren't canon, and instead were two highly inaccurate holodeck simulations. It makes much more sense when you just flush all that down the toilet.
@@nfr201 Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought in regards to disconnection of continuity, but I still feel like Agnes would detect the carrier signal
@@isaachunt7107 It was two completely different showrunners who weren't even Star Trek fans. Ignore them, their lazy writing isn't worth wasting your time on.
Hopefully it was left in a scrap yard and we never see it again, love the return of typical star fleet ships. Would have been cooler if it was a stolen bird of prey in season 1 and 2 if your going to have "outlaws" in the star trek universe they have some ships that would give them some more advantages such as cloak.
Anyone with more than two brain cells and watched season 2 of Picard knows that the ship was given to Agnes the new borg queen while the others are left in the past on earth in Picard's grape fields.
That ship was ugly and a blight on the beautiful yachts that were the federation starships. Lets just pretend their was an offscreen scene of the klingons blowing it up.
Interesting concept what if the La Sirena was beamed up and held in transporter stasis like scotty in relics we know that ships can be transported as we have seen the voth Transport voyager
It wasn't forgotten... La Sirena was taken by The Borg Queen at the end of season 2 before the crew returned to the future.... The ship in season 3 is simply another ship of a similar class... Problem solved...
BA-HAHAHAHAHA La Sirena who? There’s no doubt in my mind La Sirena was conveniently forgotten! However in my mind, yeah I just assumed it was left behind for some reason. That my have just been discussed at some random point. That is how “I explain little holes in the story” in my head! HEHEHEHE LOVE THE VIDEO Capt. Jack and the Trek Central Team!!
I just assumed La Sirena was left/parked somewhere. By season 3, it was basically a transport/shuttle.
Wasn't the ship given to the new kind alternative Borg Queen AKA Dr. Jurati at the end of season 2?
@@Fabio_Garzena I think that was an alternative ship.
Q transported them to the alternative present where they stole that timeline's version of La Sirena and used it to go to the past (prime timeline we assume). That's the vessel that Jurati took.
@@MacTX You are right. Anyway, who cares of the La Sirena? It was a minor ship...😉
I think La Sirena is basically Raphaella's home and is a metaphorical equivalent of her Trailer park home from season one.
But they didn't really bother using it much or at least not showing it in external establishing shots, they just showed the inside set mostly and very v ery rarely when the plot demanded it do you see the out side of it.
A Voyager style "cruising establishments shot" would have been useful at a few points, since the location interiors are so dark and the villain's ship uses part of the same internal set to know where you are would be nice.
Maybe they just used up a lot of budget on the Shrike.
They didn't FORGET La Serina, they just quietly left her out from the main storyline of season 3.
It was in the storyline of season 3 though…
- Jack
@@TrekCentral only because they had the set and needed to save money
@@TrekCentral Like you said, those shots were filmed during the S2 block.
Have you considered they beamed the ship into the cargo bay as parts? That is why they needed to beam Worf and Raffi to the transporter room. When they want to use it again they will beam it back together. Flat pack Ikea ship.
They might have left it in Bay 12 of the Museum when the toy the Enterprise D
It would have been nice to show it sitting there as when the Enterprise left space dock in the movies it wasn't leaving an empty bay.
A flatpack ikea ship is actually a pretty solid idea. I can imagine even irl's future that would save a lot of space, assuming we could do something like beaming it back together. Might borrow that idea for a few KSP ships
With all the high functioning AI onboard the La Sirena, I don’t see why the compute couldn’t just pilot it back to a home port for storage.
I think you covered it: They filmed Word and Raffi on La Sirena and then struck the set before they moved into the bulk of season 3.
WRT "Forgetting" other things: While there is no way the writers could have responded to the reaction to season 2, if there was enough online hate for season 1, they learned that getting rid of the S1 characters, or most of them, would be a priority for seasons 2 and 3. Hence Agnes and Rios are written out in Season 2, and Laris only appears in S3 episode 1, which was also probably filmed during the S2 block. Raffi is the only "new" character who hasn't been killed off, and even then, she's stopped calling Picard JL because fans hated that. She will probably be killed off in the first season of "Legacy," when we will learn that Elnor died when the Excelsior was destroyed on Frontier Day, Matalas' statement to the contrary notwithstanding.
Moral: Be careful what you wish for from Hollywood...and don't whine about it when you get it.
I assumed they left the La Sirena parked in the Chin'Toka scrapyard to be retrieved at a later point. Since there are lots of wrecked starships there no one would probably bother it.
I don't doubt the LA Sirena cold fit in the shuttlebay. They were able to fit shuttles, the Delta Flyer, and Neelix' shuttle into Voyager after all.
See Starfleet used this tech from a Gallifreyan guy (or was it a girl?) for their shuttle bays.
The LaSirena could be maintaining orbit around some planet awaiting Raffi's return.
Just like Laris who Picard said he be back in a few days and never came back.
@@specie8470 She'll get over it!
It was left behind when they were on the Titan. Maybe it was left in orbit of that star & Worf went back afterward and got it for his adventures.
The La Sirena is larger then a Danube class Runabout, now I can buy it fitting inside the Enterprise D's main shuttle bay that thing is huge but not the Titan A/Enterprise G. This ship seems to pass from person to person so maybe Worf has it now or Picard does. Maybe if they ever make Star Trek Legacy we'll see it parked at the Vineyard lol.
With a less "Eddie Van Halen" paint job, of course! 😂
@@ArtistryBranson I read somewhere that the ship was modeled after a guitar, so the paint job is no surprise. I could see it repainted however esp if Picard now owns it, probably have the Picard Family Logo on the side and be used to deliver his wine around the quadrent lol.
I think that Worf has the LaSirena.
I had the same thought
Maybe Ro took it after she returned from faking her death.
@@90lancaster, they did loose feed from Ro's shuttle before it impacted which she could have transported to the LaSirena.
The strange thing is the La Sirena still existing at all. At the end of Season 2, Jurati took off with it while still in the 21st century. She didn't use it to travel back to her own time, instead building her new version of the Borg and preparing for her eventual encounter with the Stargazer. Did she keep the La Sirena somewhere for 400 years and give it back, or is Raffi simply using a another ship of the same design?
Two different ships
I was wondering if this was going to be pointed out out as well. I didn't catch that there were two of them.
My theory is that La Serreina can fold herself or they made a special dock for her to morph to the Titan. If what they say is true that La Serreina is stored somewhere in Titan. But the ship is one vital part of the show where is it?
Having an entire holographic ship captained by the dr with a holographic bridge would be cool
What i dont understand with the battle with the borg is that they left the defiant and voyager behind which was battle ready
The lassuruna was forgotten, also all tech from season 1
It was such a dark ship
There was that devise in the borg rhat can transport them light distances in the borg ship and the technology at the end of voyager and when does Janeway go back in time to save voyager
And why is the titan lacking things like quantum slipstream drive and multiphasic torpedo's which are used at the end of voyager
There are so many underused tech in the show .
Why is there no individual fighters in star trek or did they forget about the swarm tech in the films
It was so annooying that they firgot abiut the kamikasi nature of the domionion ships as they mentioned the shapeshifters but forget the weyons and jem hadar
Imagine the borg using dominion ships
Species 8472 massacred the borg ships
There is so much tech that is forgotten in the show but in the new trek jt js more like magic
From Geordi's complaints, it sounded like they were requiring the old ships networked as well, so sending the D made sense as it wasn't entirely complete
The fact they just swooped the enterprise f like not even doing it justice
lol they forget WAY more. For instance the la sirena went away with the borg for a very long time. And came back. its been gone for like 300 years. With borg tech on it.
So lets say Rios got the ship just after the burning of mars. it still a old ship.
Or the federation having ships linked to each other even though in progeny its shown to be dumb
Or that the transporters have many filters and logs to stop borg stuff
or that captians can lock down ships with commands from those drones
or not using any of the other ships are the museum for the mission to dysion institute. Like voyager was there. Even without its future upgrades it was still a very strong ship. And was not linked to the fleet 2. Or the bird of prey or kronos or other bird of prey.
etc etc
i loved season 3. but plote holes where a plenty
Its not really canon, but id take a wager and say worf now commands la sirena. Since its still going places. Plus 7 of 9's first officer would of given it to her friend considering she was taking the role of first officer aboard the enterprise
Doubt CPT Shaw (I think his name was) would allow it on his Titan. He was strictly by the book at the beginning of season 3. I believe it would be only Starfleet equipment on board
It is difficult to say whether if a small ship like that could have been able to fit into a shuttle hangar bay in the USS Titan
Enterprise G refit adds an Odyssey style birth for the La Serina.
I would respect the writers more if they just admitted the writers forgot the La Sirena. I could see them saying it's in a close orbit to the star they were at and was retrieved later. It's not perfect, but makes some sense. I could also see them using it to send a dummy signal to help distract Star Fleet. The fact that it wouldn't work doesn't hurt the story because they don't realize that at the time. But the fact is, the writers are put under a stupid amount of pressure and have practically no time to write these scripts, and yes I'm talking about the writer's strike now. I'd rather them forget the ship than a whole ass person.
Yep. The fact that they forgot Laris was a thousand times worse.
@@bjorn00000 Oh yeah, justice for Laris. I want an explanation for that.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail and every way shape and form possibly provided indeed👌.
It was forgotten like the 1st two seasions
Technically The Jurati Borg Queen ran off with the La Sirena at the end of season 2, So unless Q duplicated the shi[p when he returned every one to the present day?
But from what have seen they re used the same sets for the Titan and the Stargazer in order to save on production costs...
I imagine that it was set to auto-pilot its way do a docking/parking facility, somewhere.
It was definitely docked or parked somewhere before Worf and Raffi beamed onto the Titan.
Could see it as a personal yacht for the Enterprise-G magically scaled down to fit.
Even though from our perspective this was a "hero ship," in the grand scheme of things om Starfleet, this was just another transport ship. I'm sure there's some Lower Deck officer that took command and took the La Sirena to the nearest starbase. Upon arrival, the ship would either be mothballed or she would be repurposed for another mission. Since it was not a capital ship of the line for Starfleet, it was just tuned up or refit and shuffled into the rotation for the next mission.
One can hope, that thing was ugly and stupid! Its like a Star Citizen ship that got lost.
La Sirena now is singing: In fondo al mar with Sebastian and the other fishes
It would have been nice to have an establishing shot of La Sirenna docking with Titan-A, but I'll go with what Blass said. Next.
I have a solution. It's parked at some location and a long distance teleporting was performed. This is the 25th century. It's very plausible for long range transporting. If you remember that alternate reality Abramsverse were Spock (old Spock from prime timeline) teleports Kirk and Scotty from a moon to a starship that was already in warp and some considerable distance away using transporters that were far older tech than anything around in TNG --------------->Picard era. Spock knew this was possible. Therefore, this long range teleporting was known by Spock before he was sent back to alternate 2230s-2250s which was known already by 2380s in the prime timeline if not quite a bit earlier considering it was Scotty's (prime timeline) equation. This would be standard operating procedures and built in equations to transporters by this timeframe. Long range transporting would make sense as it would also allow the ship to be parked somewhere as it was not needed at the moment in time in the mission at hand.
So it could have been parked at some station or moon base somewhere and then use transporter in long range mode. Just needed to be close enough for the transporter link to reach the Titan to make the link.
It's possible the La Sirena was already parked in a starbase or station. The ship Raffi was on, and used in the SI mission may be just a ship assigned for the mission. Even then, ships would be equipped with long range transporter. When she was on the SI mission, was she using the La Sirena? If not, it could be a warp capable transport shuttle vessel. If it was, they would have parked it somewhere because it wouldn't fit inside, so transporter technology works just fine. They don't need to be so close you see the two ships on the screen. The warp technology Scotty used and then Kahn made use of in Alternate 2250s was introduced to him by old Spock who came with knowledge he knew in the 2380s in prime timeline. Remember, that transporter Kahn used could teleport a person from Earth to Klingon homeworld. That's a considerable range. It should be plausible to teleport a ship parked somewhere to another ship more than a light year distance apart by 2400s.
Does anything in Picard season 2 or 3 make sense at all anyway?
Rafi is using the La Sarina, but in the second season la Sarina was taken by juradi borg queen in the 21st century so how is it back
It forgot an entire separate borg ship and collective excisted yet strangely disappeared even though part of the timeline
I thought the Borg Queen took it in season 2. How'd they get it back?
I think I will head canon that Worf activated the Holographic functions and told the ship to go hide somewhere, go and wait at the museum or let the holocrew do what the like with it until they needed it again.
But the LS returned cloacked when Work rescued Riker and Diana or did I remember it wrong ?
I just rewatched that scene and it looks like its a cloaked starfleet shuttle based on the silhouette.
@@JaredLS10 hm but shuttles have no cloak, I think he maybe took the bounty cloak for the LS but idk 🤔
Wasn’t Riker an admiral in Picard season 1?
The better question is, how could La Sirena even still be around during season 3 since Jurati and her Borg offshoots took it in the 21st century. And yes that was in the prime timeline. Renee had gone on her mission snd everything was corrected by that point. This is why the crew were stranded and Q had to send them back to the 25th century. The fact is that they had the sets, CG model, a small budget and the hope that no one would notice this continuity error. Unless in addition to saving Elnor’s life, Q bonused the La Sirena as well which seems out of character for him.
There was two La Sirena star ships. The "Original" stayed with the fleet, like U.S.S Stargazer. The "Borg One" was the Confederate La Sirena from the Alt-Timeline. Therefore the original one still exists.
- Jack
@@TrekCentral hot damn! I completely missed that! Thank you! :)
La Sirena seconded as the Shrike sets. So it kinda got left out once Worf and Raffi joined up with the rest.
Its not just tgr Titan. Cpt Seven say they're going on a "Shake down cruies". Shake Downs are for New ships, or Refits.
What about if the La Sirena was nearer to the camera - whoaaa there with common sense
Looks about as close to fitting in the Titan’s shuttle bay as the Delta Flyer was to Voyager’s so that’s probably just the answer.
Agnes Borg took it so how was it even in season 3?
Agnes Borg took the alternate future La Sirena. The S3 La Sirena was the normal timeline one.
the Defiant was constantly changing size in DS9 to fit the scene so there's no reason why they can't just change La Sirena's size to fit into the hangar bay
I like to think it's ultimate fate was to be part of the Picard Foundation or whatever it was in Lower Decks, loaned out to ethical archaeologists
wasn't it being flown raffi when she tried to warn starfleet academy of the impending attack.
I thought the doctor/borg queen took La Sirena in the past and Q sent the remaining crew forward in time without it. I figured Rafi was just on a generic unnamed ship.
This just shows that we need a new study whose findings we can use as a replacement in online discourse.
Doesn't matter. There are lots of movies where the hero parks his car, walks away, and we never see it again. I assume that in 2401, you can park a space ship somewhere.
Maybe they used tractor beams and or something and stored it sideways
Couldn't La Sirena change its shape? Am i remembering that wrong?
The La Sirena was reliable transport - nothing more, nothing less. It served it's purpose...until the cast could all jump on a starship and save the universe.
Hope you guys aren't running out of subject matter😀
Very much liking this video. I've much doubt the La Sirena could fit in the Titan's shuttle bay. It is too large. The writers just forgot about it.
It's legitimate salvage now.
So..... I want it!❤
It’s in some Soho backstreet, covered in strip club flyers and parking tickets.
I watched the first two seasons, couldn't tell you the name of the ship, nor the shape of the ship. The bridge looked like a dingy cargo bay.
Neelix had a ship. Isn't used. No big deal.
To be honest I don't believe any starships even their biggest could fit the La Sirena I just thought like many ships of the past it was put into a museum or something I don't think the federation would sell ships.
Nor would they scrap it and recycle it for futer designs.
I thought the Borg had taken it way back in the early days
they should've just named this the the USS Van Halen....
It does look like Eddie's guitar!
I’ve watched all episodes of Star Trek: Picard but I’m bit confused, I thought said ship had been taken by the Borg Queen when if left Picards future château. I know she was from a deleted timeline but she did end up in the Delta Quadrant or am I missing something?
It was the Confederation version of the La Sirena, not the Prime.
The La Sirena wouldn't stand a chance against The Borg Ultra Cube
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I just need an explanation for ommitting the Agnes Queen.
I mean, Borg signals all over & she didn't have a clue about it?
& where did the other queen come from if Agnes & the Borg Queen were fused into one being?
I would have thought solving this issue would have aided Agnes Queen in her application to join the Federation.
Your's,
Very confused
It's a different collective. That borg queen was from the alternate timeline created by Q, that then helped them travel back in time before the branch point in the timeline. Presumably they are still watching the big hole in space. Honestly - I think it's just best to not think about the first 2 seasons of picard.
Because the first two seasons aren't canon, and instead were two highly inaccurate holodeck simulations. It makes much more sense when you just flush all that down the toilet.
@@nfr201 Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought in regards to disconnection of continuity, but I still feel like Agnes would detect the carrier signal
@@NCC_1701 I feel that flushing previous episodes is very lazy writing & leaves us mending their mistakes.
Thanks for your answer though
@@isaachunt7107 It was two completely different showrunners who weren't even Star Trek fans. Ignore them, their lazy writing isn't worth wasting your time on.
Foldable nacelles similar to Voyager?
Laris took it, given everyone forgot about her too... :P
The name change from the Titan to the Enterprise G was lame and forced fan service.
So was the entire season, honestly. I remember watching Star Trek V in theaters and it was easier to sit through.
id say the La Sirena was gifted to Worf
I'm STILL wondering HOW Raffi got it back from Queen Jurati????
The Delta flyer didn't fit in Voyager shuttle bay either
She is in the transporter buffer….
I was hoping they just destroyed it in a thousand pieces. I always hated that ugly thing and happy they finally moved on.
I'm sure it was intentional. Same with that Romulan elf-boy.
And they forgot Laris, the "good" Borg, etc... 😏
Hopefully it was left in a scrap yard and we never see it again, love the return of typical star fleet ships. Would have been cooler if it was a stolen bird of prey in season 1 and 2 if your going to have "outlaws" in the star trek universe they have some ships that would give them some more advantages such as cloak.
The hologram is piloting it.
Anyone with more than two brain cells and watched season 2 of Picard knows that the ship was given to Agnes the new borg queen while the others are left in the past on earth in Picard's grape fields.
When time travel happened it changed the past
Cheers Jack
it folds!
I bet she could fit inside the Enterprise D 😂
Was never a fan of that ship, so no real loss
That ship was ugly and a blight on the beautiful yachts that were the federation starships. Lets just pretend their was an offscreen scene of the klingons blowing it up.
The borg took it at the end of s02
That’s an alternative universe ship
- J
yes - it was as if both previous seasons didnt happen
Interesting concept what if the La Sirena was beamed up and held in transporter stasis like scotty in relics we know that ships can be transported as we have seen the voth Transport voyager
It wasn't forgotten... La Sirena was taken by The Borg Queen at the end of season 2 before the crew returned to the future.... The ship in season 3 is simply another ship of a similar class... Problem solved...
That's not correct and is explained various times aha :)
- Jack
and la sirena would be way to big for titanprise
Some ships, especially this one, are best left forgotten 🙂
Don't care about this ship. It's ugly and even the Titan -A looks better
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Jurati the borg took it.
They forgot where they left it
It wouldn't fit. They lied again.
You do realise 'La Sirena' is the name of a p.o.r.n. actress?.
You do realise "La Sirena" means "The Mermaid", it's Spanish...
- J
Not a fan of the ship at allllllll.
Luckily I couldn't care less about this ship. 😂
No one cares about that ship
BA-HAHAHAHAHA La Sirena who?
There’s no doubt in my mind La Sirena was conveniently forgotten! However in my mind, yeah I just assumed it was left behind for some reason. That my have just been discussed at some random point. That is how “I explain little holes in the story” in my head! HEHEHEHE
LOVE THE VIDEO Capt. Jack and the Trek Central Team!!
Who cares? It was representative of Picard S1 & 2