Ross Dellenger Thinks The Big 12 and Florida State/Clemson Have Talked
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- Ross Dellenger from Yahoo! Sports joins me live from Big 12 Media Days in Las Vegas. He says the Big 12 has talked with FSU and Clemson.
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This is simply a backup plan for FSU and Clemson. Highly unlikely they go to the Big 12.
Backup plan is to remain in ACC, after extorting unequal payouts.
As a Big 12 fan i am a hell no on unequal shares.
Same here.
PREACH!!
I don’t think either will be in the Big12. No worries. I think they’ll both be in the SEC. Both fanbases would never forgive the SEC for games at Wiscy in November.
@@audreycrowe1780 FSU Clemson blue bloods you are absolutely trash conference in football
😂 I’m not because I’m a Oklahoma State fan I done know we get a full slice but I get what you saying tho
So basically Ross knows as much as any of us… nothing to see here.
They really know nothing. Gossip. Blah blah blah blah.
This is such a great interview John! Thanks for the info and asking great questions.
No on unequal... now if we decide to do it yearly depending on how schools do that might be ok.
Unequal distribution of money to troublemaking schools from the ACC is nonsense.
"Troublemaking" school? You clowns on UA-cam know nothing about what you're talking about. FSU joined in the early 90s and literally carried the ACC for 25 years and then Clemson carried them for FSU's down stretch from 2017-2021. FSU is consistently top-10 nationally in TV value and consistently commits resources with the goal of winning titles. Even during FSU's worst period since the early 70s, they were still #1 in the conference in TV ratings and more than doubled everyone other than Clemson. The ACC would have lost its "power conference" standing long ago if it wasn't for FSU.
Half of the ACC have put nothing into football or even trying to compete for championships as they take their check. FSU for years has tried different ways to address the financial disparity between the ACC and their competitors in the SEC, but the ACC has done nothing (aside from champion getting increased revenue starting in 2024). Throughout that entire time, the ACC has consistently demonstrated incompetence without a care of advancing its members. The final straw came when the ACC did NOTHING to advocate for its champion to be in the CFP, while Sankey did an entire propaganda tour to ensure the winner of UGA/Bama made the CFP no matter what. The ACC is now trying to impose unconscionable penalties for any member who tries to leave. Hate to break it to you, but without FSU or Clemson, the Big 12 doesn't have a national brand or a team who can consistently compete for a title.
@@fsu5452 Great except the big 12s runner up played for a national championship 2 years ago. next
@@homework1167you mean the one that got curbed stomped by Georgia? At least FSU was playing with their back ups against Georgia. What’s TCU’s excuse?
@@caleb7137 They beat Michigan and played an extra game before national champ, sec champ Georgia. You guys lost to sec runner up and didn't play Michigan the prior week
@@caleb7137 TCU didn't have an excuse... Georgia was simply the better team and, dare I say, an absolute juggernaut up until Alabama beat the Bulldogs in the SEC title game last year. Did the result suck? Yes. But, in fairness to TCU, I think Georgia would have obliterated Michigan or 95 percent of the non-SEC schools out there.
I dont think FSU and Clemson are fighting this hard to get out of the ACC if they don't already have a spot in the P2. They arent doing this blindly and just hoping something materializes. Also, over time the P2 will continue to seperate themselves financially so going to the BIG12 would only help in the short term.
This ⬆️
It's increasingly obvious that FSU did make a desperate "all or nothing" move. CLEMSON hasn't gone scorched earth.
Neither of them have a definite spot , I would say though that they both got feedback that they'd have a spot in either the sec or big 10
If FSU went to the Big 12, everyone in the SEC and the B1G would laugh, and the fans would have to hide all evidence that they are FSU fans and would have to stay off the internet, forever. The 63-3 score would seem like a minor faux pas compared to FSU leaving the ACC and making the conscious decision to go to the Big 12.
Nope. Don’t want them that bad.
Great show as usual John! Come to Lawrence I will buy you a burger at Johnnys
I would be all for Clemson and FSU joining the party as long as they don't bring that prima donna UT nonsense. If we went to 18 we would probably have to start talking pods. But I'm kind of worried about them being bad faith ACC members
Agreed. We just got rid of Texas. We don't need any more of that garbage. If we add ACC schools, I would prefer schools like Louisville, NC State, and VT. Unequal revenue sharing is a non-starter for me.
You don’t stand a chance in hell to land FSU so don’t worry about it
@@reginaldjohnson2289 LOL, that's what Pac-12 fans were saying a little over a year ago to Big 12 fans. Actually, I'm not worried about it at all. If FSU joins, fine. But just don't expect any special treatment.
@@reginaldjohnson2289 Because not standing a chance in hell means they expand the footprint of the SEC. Oops they don't. Well that means they are AAU so the big 10 would take them. Oops they are not. You were saying?
@@bryanjones8778 The only way FSU would join is if they got nearly the same payout as the B1G or SEC.
No to unequal shares. F that
I AGREE
I'd the big 10 is serious about the AAU stuff, then they will only add Virginia and North Carolina. The SEC could realistically add VT and NCST to get in those states.
As a fan of another ACC school, I appreciate that FSU and Clemson are playing the Big 12 to try to get a better offer from the ACC (or any other league).
If they go, they go. Maybe they should try the Notre Dame route. Hahahaha.
When Nebraska and Oklahoma were in the big 8 it was uneven shares based on the number of games and the time period of each games that were televised. It worked, if a similar system had continued The original Big 12 might still exist.
@@edwardcrone2465 the Big 12 adopted the same revenue sharing model as the Big 8. Equal Tier1/2 revenue sharing was adopted in 2011 after NU left.
For some inexplicable reason DeLoss Dodds, decided to play Santa Claus and actually told the Big 12 that Texas supported and wanted equal T1/2 revenue sharing! So it was adopted by the conference. No way it would have happened otherwise!
A real head scratcher why he did that!
This is a message for ESPN and FOX that FSU and Clemson can go to any conference as long as they get paid as SEC and B1G schools. FSU and Clemson are such a great "inventory" for any media companies.
Unequal won't work, especially for FSU. They'd ditch us at 1st chance. Clemson -maybe. I'd go for Miami, Louisville, VTech. Dukr & NCST.
Why would Tier 2 ACC flight risks move to the BIG12?
I could see a potential unequal revenue model where Clemson and Florida State start with higher yields, but with the qualifier that the next goals would be for the other schools to catch up as revenue increased.
If it takes unequal revenue sharing to get those schools, F that
Another thing, Ross sounds like a fool calling those 2 schools blue bloods
Clemson isn't that far removed from their national title dominance and Florida State does have a national title track record during the Bobby Bowden era. If we were to use that logic, then neither Oklahoma nor Texas would be considered blue bloods.
@@CreightonRabs OU has more national titles than FS. Clemson refuses to use the transfer portal; unclear whether the next head coach will continue the dominance.
You are dumb as hell if you don't think fsu is a blue blood.
Florida State is absolutely blue blood. Not a single blue blood school worth a damn in B12.
Since 1980, each of FSU and Clemson have more national titles than any of Notre Dame, Michigan, Penn State, Tennessee, Texas, Oklahoma, USC, Georgia, and Ohio State. Only two schools have more in that period.
And since 1980, FSU and Clemson have as many national titles as Notre Dame, Texas, Oklahoma, and Ohio State **combined**. "Blue bloods"
If the SEC or Big 10 want FSU/Clemson, they will go there. If those conferences are not interested, there is no need for unequal revenue sharing. Also, in the private equity world, nothing is 15 years, it is typically a 3-5 year cycle.
News Flash: If you're in communications w/ those 2 teams you intimately know the price of doing business....🤔🤔
But which team gets the most cash out of the big 12?as an outsider who is the breadwinner of the big 12 now that Oklahoma and Texas are gone? The big 12 doesn’t have a blue blood team anymore so if any conference should be equal sharing it’s the big 12.
LMAO 🤣 🤣 🤣
Couldn't have said it better. 🤪
I don't see them going for it but they would definitely be nice replacements for OU and Texas if the Allstate XII somehow managed it.
No it won't. Get over Oklahoma and Texas.
What if additional schools joining the Big XII meant renegotiating the media payments?
Florida State and Clemson ain’t even that good anyway how they fans think they’re above the big 12 😂😂 when they signed the trash contract in the first place, that last decades
They would expand the market, so yes.
We don’t need Clemson & FSU
Yes you do
No, we really don't need them. Who has all eyes on them right now? The Big 12. It's evident by all you SEC, ACC, and Big 10 Homers flooding Big 12 channels that Brett Yormarks' plans are working. Our viewership numbers will be better than ever starting next year and will set up increased media rights revenues in the future. Hate all you all want the Big 12 isn't going anywhere but up.
Not a chance this happens.😂
FSU and Cu fight that hard to get out to come to Big 12.
The BIG12 is the "nothing" in FSU's "all or nothing" strategy.
Unequal shares...HELL NO!! They can stay in the ACC. We already dealt with that with ut, OU, UN, and A&M and it doesn't work, and it puts the other program in a major disadvantage.
This would be a disastrous move for any of the teams mentioned. The combination of the leftovers of the two weakest conferences? As someone else said, Thanks, but no thanks.
Let them go to the BigSec and probably struggle. All these powerhouses can’t all be winners in the new conference. Someone’s gotta suck.
Missouri went to two SEC championships in their first three years. Texas A&M, a perennial also-ran that hadn't won a conference championship since 1998, went in Year 1, won 11 games, and beat Alabama. Acting like new conference members are automatically going to do worse is foolish. It's not like they just started a football team.
FSU's aim is the Big Ten anyway.
@@encycl07pedia-A&M had 1 good season. 😂
You mean struggle like FSU did against LSU and Florida for the past several years😂? Don’t count the UGA game where FSU was playing 3rd and 4th string players.
@@silverburst6123 yeah, and they did that with three and four stars just imagine what they can do with five and have that same leverage as Texas and Oklahoma they just need money they do that that’s why they are leaving the ACC. This is not getting the five stars anymore but now it seems like they’re doing good. We’re recruiting and investing in the future. That’s why they want to get out of the ACC so badly because the money gap is getting so high.
@encycl07pedia- Missouri also didnt have a winning conference record for 7 years after that. That was Missouri's two best teams of all-time and they caught the East when Tennessee, Georgia and Florida when they were at five-year lows. A&M, again, had their best team in the last 50 years at least and they finished 3rd in the West. Shit's been overblown.
“Talked” with the Big12, 😏
This is such bs, if they were talking to them, that would be a breach of contract. There is zero chance fsu goes to the big 12. Thats a lateral move at best.
Does the expansion compulsion mean that the existing Big XII is inferior?
Why is it so important to add more schools?
It seems you should be asking the 18 member big 10 that question
Because the existing and even future big 12 is inferior.
@@rx2878 The thing is, I do not ready about expansion on B1G vlogs. The fans there talk about their team or the 2024 season, but they are not obsessed with adding more schools. Expansion is not a big deal.
@@sarahmccoy1941 This is absolutely correct. Expansion is not even the priority in the B1G for function or content. They are pretty much set and do not obsess over it.
It's a business first, of course you would have to pay a "Fair Market Value" to obtain a Brand.... the value is invaluable w/ a FSU/Clemson addition.
The Truck Stop is inevitable
Blah blah blah blah. The talking heads are at it. Clemson and FSU are going to learn that the grass is not greener. Look at what happened to Maryland when it left. Umm.
I would laugh my ass off if FSU and Clemson have to pay $400 million to the ACC just to go to the horrible Big 12.
Big twelve ain’t no different than the Acc,
Don't tell me they do not have a spot in the B1G or SEC. That would be wild if they go to the Big 12. Lateral move.
I'm in the Big 10 (Ohio State) and they don't have spots. No one wants them. FSU is delusional thinking that they're be in the Big 10 when we don't have ESPN. If OU and Texas have to go from the Big 12 to the SEC because these conferences have ESPN so will these two ACC teams.
@@CarlaJenkinsTV you sure about that??
Big 12 makes more money now add those 2 and it makes far more
@@CarlaJenkinsTV Bet your life on it. Seriously.
non aau big 10 has already said no ty. geez do your research.
Ah yes. It's time for Clemson and FSU to leave the instability of the ACC behind, to move to {checks notes} the conference that's lost five members in the past 10+ years.
Going to the BIG12 would be a lateral move for Florida State and Clemson. Wishful thinking for the big12 guys to keep dreaming of FSU and Clemson joining that conference. It's BIG10 or SEC for us
What a great interview,
Why would anyone invite a new team into their conference with unequal revenue sharing?
We are holding the hammer,
Even playing feild! This is Big Xll.
Why are we considering a Giant getting fatter on our achievements?
Looking to the future, why would we cut our own limbs off?
They Should be Greafull to be in the
Big XII
Go Knights
Playing Devil's Advocate here, but if FSU and/or Clemson can bring increased long-term value to the Big 12, it's a price I'd be willing to play to see the Big 12 add two quality football programs.
@CreightonRabs Only if it was an increase for them in the short term, then level playing field later on. No Big 12 current member is going to want to play teams in their own conference that have a resource advantage, making their path to a conference title that much harder.
Option 3 complete joke ? - ya ok you keep telling yourself that , in todays world option 3 is VERY MUCH an option -- may not be the top option but to say it' a joke show how muh you lack in any port knowledge, but you go ahead and keep thinking that
They will pay them what they’re worth so yes
Of course they’ve talked. Doesn’t change the fact that the big 12 has no shot at either.
~75% chance that FSU lands in the BIG12. How can it stay in the ACC?
Someone tell FSU about this click bait!!
Nope...
well lets see big 10 will not accept a non aau school, leaves fsu making about the same holding up the rest of another conferance, gurantee you this sec is open for business and more than 2x the payout.
For the millionth time in the last 2 months all the reporters have said the SEC does not want FSU and Clemson! They don't add any value because they already have a big brand in both the states in UF and SC. All they will do is dilute the money. Get it through your head they are never going to get an invite.
Nope. FSU will be like another Texas.
The Big12 commish trying to hustle and Jim Phillips hasn’t even rolled over and farted yet.
What is Phillips going to do? He sat on his hands and let the Big 12 pick up the best brands available. Adding Cal, Stanford, and SMU just shows Phillips already lost the battle against Yormark.
@@Goeers206 LOL... Every new BIG12 member was considered and rejected by the ACC.
@tarheel7406 No they weren't Colorado was one of the first teams from the Pac 12 to leave and they never even considered the ACC, they came back home to the Big 12. If that were the case, Utah or Arizona would be in the ACC right now over SMU. Clueless mate you are clueless.
Same share for all schools no one gets more. I say why bring ACC PROBLEM CHILD FSU IN OUR LEAGUE.
F NO FSU PLEASE DONT GO TO THE BIG12😂
There is ZERO chance of this. Ze Ro!
FSU will never be in the same conference as UCF
F No! This would be a turd in the punch bowl with FSU Alumni.
Big 12 sucks
@@caleb7137 Really..... How so?
@@lorenzohaynes3886 Their two best properties left. When's the last time a current Big 12 team won a national title (so don't include OU or Texas)?
@encycl07pedia- The 90's. But how does that mean the Big 12 sucks? It's still a solid conference.
@@lorenzohaynes3886 Oh, you're going to that shared/fake 1990 title Colorado shared with Georgia Tech? Colorado didn't really beat Mizzou that year, despite what the record says.
It's not great. TCU is the only one left that can win big games. Kansas State fell off. I'd put Utah up there but they've lost 5 bowl games in a row, two of them to freaking Northwestern. Who's left? BYU had prestige with Steve Young, who's been retired from the NFL for a quarter of a century... Oklahoma State should have played in the 2011 NCG and they've had a few great years, but still no championships. The conference is so bad Kansas started winning games.
But it's still better than the future ACC.
The Big 12 ain't getting FSU or Clemson.... don't fool yourself. Clemson and FSU are both above the SEC average program and won't pass them up.
For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC?
Boring. The B12 is hopeless.
lol so the Big 12 wasn’t open to giving UT/OU higher shares but will be open to giving unequal shares to FSU/Clemson? Makes sense Big 12 would do this!
NO unequal revenue sharing! 👎
They did get unequal revenue while in the Big12.
@@jansonroberts2616 Only on their Tier 3 rights (e.g., the LHN) in the Big 12, 2.0.
Tex U and NO-U seemed to have one foot out the door even before Bob Bowlsby was commissioner.
They were willing. UT and OU didn't accept it.
60,70,80 mill a year would land Clemson or FSU lol Brett which you arent making.. its in the thirties and you would also need to help with other things...$$ TV deal is what six years? Others are longer
Big 12 is a last resort for FSU & Clemson!! Unless the Big 12 is gonna cover 75% of their buyout fee, slim chance. (Big 10: 55%, SEC: 40%, Big 12: 5%)
Lmfao why would Big12 care? They already are stable and have a deal in place. lol stop
As an FSU fan...I'd go independent before going to the the Big 12. Big 12 would benefit...FSU would not. We bring much more to the table in all our sports.
The Big 12 would at least be on equal footing with the ACC moneywise. And, given the bad ACC media rights deal, there's a good chance the Big 12 media shares might surpass those of the ACC.
😂🤣😂
All sports? You do know The Big 12 plays basketball right?
What an incredibly dump thing to say
@@Hayes641
2022/23 - 2023/24 Final D-Cup Standings:
ACC: 6 Top 10, 14 Top 20 (includes ND, STANFORD & CAL)
B12: 0 Top 10, 1 Top 20 (excludes TEXAS & TXAM)
B1G: 4 Top 10, 9 Top 20 (includes USC and UCLA)
PAC: 0 Top 10, 0 Top 20 (excludes USC, UCLA, STANFORD & CAL)
SEC: 10 Top 10, 16 Top 20 (includes TEXAS & TXAM)
Schools that finished 8x or more in the D-Cup Top 10 (1993/4 - 2022/23)
ACC: 4 (STANFORD, UNC, UVA, CAL)
SEC: 3 (TEXAS, FLORIDA, GEORGIA)
B1G: 5 (UCLA, MICH, USC, OHSTATE, PSU)
B12: 1 (ARIZ)
Nah as far as im concerned FSU just needs to be independent at this point. They have shown to be absolute garbage partners and i dont see that changing no matter what conference they are in. Its like a more toxic and obnoxious Texas and i didn't even think that was possible.
Really, how old are you? 12?
How old do you need to be to see FSU suing their conference?? Is that what good parters do?
@@DavidM442 The ACC isn't blameless.
@@DavidM442 That was a solid comeback👍. I'm guessing Reginald is a UT guy.
lol. Yeah, when the sugar daddy leaves you and tells you to get a real job, it's because they're "toxic." You have no clue.
FSU isn't going to sit back and become a G5 team. The Big 12 & ACC can go ahead and do that if they want.
Ummmm...as an FSU fan and graduate.....Thanks, but no thanks!
As a K-State fan and graduate, I concur. If we end up adding ACC schools, I prefer we go with schools like Louisville, NC State, and VT.
As an Ohioan and OSU fan, we're straight on FSU and Clemson. We're making $60 million without you two. Beggars cannot be choosers.
@@CarlaJenkinsTV We all know you're scared of FSU, Carl. I mean it's for good reason.
@@bryanjones8778 I'd be okay if we added Pitt to that list of potential ACC schools if for no other reason than giving West Virginia a much closer rival.
@@CreightonRabs Definitely. I think Pitt would be a good add for the WVU rivalry.
Misinformation served here.
BIG 12 HAD THE OPPERTUNITY TO COURT fsu CLEMSON AND A FEW OTHERS BUT THEY WERE COMPLACENT AND STUPID AND THAT IS WHO YOU SHOULD BE PISSED AT. NOT THE TEAMS LEAVING BECUASE THEY ARE DOING WHAT IS RIGHT. oSU CANNOT EVEN SIT THEIR RB FOR ONE GAME, RIDICULOUS/
Big 12 complete shit FSU not going to that trash conference complete lateral move
Classy. And informative. Not. Places like this could be a real fun exchange of ideas if it weren't for the jerks
@@cfb1923 please tell me who good I’ll wait 🤣😂🤣🫵🏾🤡
@@cfb1923 The truth hurts. The Big 12 without OU/Texas is much the same as the ACC without FSU/Clemson.
@@encycl07pedia- At the moment, the Big 12 is a lot more stable. When the media deals come up in the future---it'll be unstable again.
“Option” 3 is a complete joke that no serious person should consider in the slightest. Garbage clickbait idea
Its not impossible, it would just be a temporary arrangement until the super league forms or the SEC/B1G renew their deals. The Big 12 deal renews several years before the ACC's, they would have an easy out.