Most Hasan viewers are decent people and genuinely want to improve things, which makes the dumb shit Hasan says on a regular basis all the more aggravating
I'm not sure that is a supportable position. You could try to say most Rush Limbaugh listeners were good people who just wanted things to be better. If someone buys into Hasan's various nonsense then they are most definitely not a good person. The problem is that whenever Hasan says something correct its said with the same ignorance as the nonsense he's clearly wrong on like Ukraine. It's frankly disqualifying.
I highly highly doubt that. I think most Hasan viewers are terrible. They openly cheer on his behavior and make excuses for him. I have never ever seen his audience hold him accountable for anything.
I get hating them for the settling stuff but their whole history is so we got kicked out of our homeland then slavery, hatred, hatred, hatred, and wait... more hatred, they've finally said no and have decided to fight about it after being pretty accepting of millenia of bs.
This guy should get some credit imo, I think a lot of people have been down a rabbit hole once or twice in their time, at least he was ready to listen(somewhat at least)
This isn't even about getting information, its about being critical of the information you receive. When he believes in the houthi attacks on ships its like ending birth mortality by sterilizing everyone. But he's probably 13, so I'm faithful he'll change.
@@mayshack It's telling how you think THAT'S the only alternative. You really need to project your laziness onto everyone else to feel ok about your own.
Fr the "they used to coexist" line makes me want to crawl in a hole and scream. Dhimmitude isn't exactly peaceful coexistence buddy. There's always been strain there.
hearing some of the stories coming out of syrian prisons right now makes the whole "i dont think assad is as bad as they make him out to be" statement fucking crazy
49:20 “You can be a middle eastern colonizer” 💀💀💀wait till he hears about where Arabic people come from and how nearly the entire Middle East even became an Arab majority. 😭
It's because all of the Hasan orbiters suck up to their supreme leader, and so all his viewers can't imagine it being another way for other creators that disagree.
There isn't any point other than a few years ago, he said problematic things and maybe he's changed but no one else in these leftists' in-group would ever give him that benefit of the doubt so if I they ever relaxed on destiny, everyone they like would turn on them. It's simple in-group bias, peer pressure, and spinelessness.
It’s because hasan and his ilk are the same as leftwing maga. Destiny is just a proxy for the Jews or NWO. Notice how much he was saying the US was backing people and thus those groups were automatically bad.
@@aidanhearn4210well yeah atleast it’s something, he’s a dumbass but he isnt just gonna suddenly drop part of his world cause a guy he already didn’t like beat him in a conversation
I concur, this dude seamed interested in facts. These people should be coddled not smacked around. We want them to come to our side. Loner was a bit harsh IMO. Loner was 100% right, but a bit harsh.
It angers me that well meaning people's self-righteous rage are being taken advantage of and warped into something ugly. This guy seems incredibly well-meaning, but is trapped in a media-sphere of people that traffic in emotions rather than news. I wish him luck.
The anti-Israelis keep on calling Israel a Jewish ethno-state, but fact of the matter is that there are more non Jewish Israeli citizens in Israel than the number of Jews in all of the Arab countries combined.
It makes me a little sad to know that in any possible future Palestinian state there would probably be no Jews at all :l like I want them to have a state that it is worth living in, but we all know that while Israel will always have large populations of other ethnic and religious groups within it, the same will never be true for Palestine
I can't imagine what levels of regardation you need to have in order to say "Oct 7 is like the Warsaw ghetto uprising" and "I don't agree with the methods" within the same sentence.
God this kid has had his brain fried. 1st things 1st respect to the kid for actually coming & having the debate. You have already proven yourself better than Hassan with that action alone. Kid you need to leave the echo chamber & learn about these things without Hassan feeding you garbage. He legitimately cant conceive that Destiny isn't secretly behind everything. Respect to the regular Isrealis guest for handling it so well. You & LonerBox have done a great job giving Destiny reasonable but firm pushback.
Has LonerBox gone through literature from Mwatana? It’s a Yemeni-based human rights group and they track a lot of the shit the Houthis do, which is really useful for teaching Hasan viewers what their heroes are actually doing to their fellow people
Indeed there is hope for this one. You are a member so that’s why I’m asking you cuz you are the one who most likely knows lonerbox circle best. Does the guy and girl that lonerbox brought on have a UA-cam channel. I liked what they had to say and I’d like to learn more about them?
42:00 - The Gaza blockade did not happen in 2005. It happened in 2007, after six Palestinian suicide bombing in Israel culminated in Hamas's seizure of Gaza, despite the fact that the so-called occupation had ended two years prior. That was when Israel stupidly assumed that they could contain the violence by just putting up a wall and hoping for the best. All that did was to delay it 16 years. It was never about occupation. Egypt occupied Gaza from 1948 - 1967, and not a single "Palestinian" complained about it. In fact, they didn't even call themselves Palestinians until Israel recaptured the territory. Suddenly they were no long Egyptians anymore; they were magically Palestinian instead.
@@JohnDoesSports well yeah, but I give him a lot of credit for engaging in the conversation and being willing to change his mind throughout. Most fully grown adults can't even do that.
@@JohnDoesSports the guilt by association with 4 degrees of separation to trying to explain that Destiny (who actually has no relevance to the conversation) is a nazi because he supports ethical CP, if you actually know anything about these talking points made me almost think this guy must just be meming. There couldn't be a more perfect manifestation of a negative stereotype about online leftists. It's not his fault, if I look back on the type of creators and videos I was watching growing up I could totally see a future where I went full alt-right. I think these content creators just need to be more responsible and held to their actions, at some point when there is so many proven examples of knowingly lying/spreading misinfo shouldn't there be some kind of consequences for these people?
On the Russian Crimea point... not only did Russia fill up the area with Russian's, didn't they go around with guns while making people vote? Am I wrong or am I crazy that I remember that happening?
Yes, the 2014 "election" was rigged as shit! The most recent survey I know of was from like the 90s and then it was a slight majority in favor of staying a part of Ukraine.
Yes, the GRU officer who led the Crimean coup Has admitted it on his podcast, on telegram, and bragged that he forced the crimean parliament to dissolve at gun point.
I really appreciate you, lonerbox. You approach this subject with compassion and empathy for both Jews and Arabs, you do a ton of research, and unlike destiny, you don’t tend to put your foot in your mouth. Keep up the good work, we need people like you
he doesnt care about making people feel bad because he knows that the only reason they see things the way they do is because theyve been taken advantage of and pumped full of misinformation for hasans own profit, keeping his audience radicalized with lies and propaganda is whats keeping his pockets full, and loner only cares about letting people know the truth
Loner, I really think you have the ability to change the future of the region. I wish you can help more people see peace with us Jews as an option. Thank you
A while ago I was under the impression loner is some anti Israeli person, only ever saw some random clips from his streams / videos, after I started watching him I have to say he is so incredibly knowledgeable and he sees the world very well, he calls Israel for its bs and is also very supportive when it’s deserved, I love your videos, keep doing this important work!
I actually feel bad for this person, who just speaks talking points he heard, he obviously doesn’t understand anything he talks about. He needs help not debates…
I still don't get it. I was 19 and dumb too but I never invested this much of my identity in global politics nor did I take a bunch of staunch stances on it based on surface level information that I knew I was never going to look deeper into. I might have had thoughts occur in my head that resemble this kid's but it was always followed by the next thought which was, "I probably don't know everything and would likely be humiliated and laughed out of the room if I was ever confronted by someone who knows more." I just don't buy that being capable of that is exceptionally mature for a 19 year old. I think college freshman are more than capable of being more discerning. Why are we treating these kids like toddlers instead of, you know, college freshmen?
@@RiceShouldBeFluffy I think it's normal these days for kids to come out of high school with strong opinions and nothing but surface-level knowledge. The internet has made it really easy to politicize people on any issue. I don't think we should blame the kid here.
I blame the internet. Kids are lonelier than ever and seek community on the internet. Unfortunately, the internet encourages the worse, most inflammatory stuff to propagate the farthest.
@@blarblablarblar And they engage in constant cruelty in service of those convictions; they shouldn't get to skate consequence free from it. I'm all for compassionately walking them through the logic on why they're wrong but at some point, there has to be an actual reckoning. You don't get to spew venom like what Hasan teaches you for how many years only to then walk away with nothing more to say for yourself than, "lol I was a dumb college freshman." If these kids are gonna be rehabilitated down the line, fine, but make them earn it. The lesson can't just be "the internet was bad and it made you bad." There has to be an actual conversation about idolatry, group thought, tribalism, social cruelty in service of an in-group, complicity, and COWARDICE. There needs to be a hard lesson in being too cowardly to stand up to your friend group. The lesson these kids take can't be one where they get to scrub their hands clean. The lesson can't be, "it's actually totally valid to just nod along with your herd; rolling with your set is valid so you actually have no personal responsibility for the garbage you advocated for."
Hey, Israeli here. Only here to comment on the Hummus: Sabra sucks. If you're in Israel look for Mashani Hummus it's way better. Also no hate towards Palestinians but I had the opportunity to try your cola and it sucks lmao get coke and Pepsi to sell there. LET US BRING PEACE WITH THE POWER OF COKE AND PEPSI.
I'm a musician and I fell out of my local underground music scene because of how young it skews and how the politically charged segment of it wields their convictions like a cudgel against bands they don't like. The Las Vegas scene is ALL highschool - college freshmen Hasan viewers. It's dumb kids with Soviet patched winter hats (like the hat Kyle wears in South Park), and hammer and sickle stickers on their Instagram bios. The frontwoman from one of the biggest local bands out here started booking shows and called her promotion group "Pravda Productions." I don't know if it's like this in the underground arts scenes in all college towns but from where I'm standing, what Hasan is doing to kids is super obvious.
@@rockbark2137 I haven’t, I’m never on twitch however. I kinda assumed a guy like Asmongold has man children as his audience, but I guess it makes more sense that it’s just children lol
@@greendalf123 i think you guys underestimate how many 19-25 year olds are adult sized children. I think there's more of those in their audiences than we give them credit.
Everytime this kid gets questioned on his stance and he doesn't know what to answer, he sounds like that "Have you ever had a dream like this?" kid meme. It's hilarious
Confused how anyones make the argument against an ethnostate relating to Israel yet supports the long existing Arab Muslim ethnostates? Can someone explain if I’m missing something.
Israel is actually the only country in the ME that has full rights for minorities. Contrast that with Muslim societies where minorities are persecuted and the governments are despotic.
Eh his positions on the pagers attack was pretty shitty and his standards for genocide seem to come from some realm of stubbornness or something, but he is certainly one of the most knowledgeable streamers on this topic
God damn this was a great clip dude. I didn’t catch the names of the two dudes and girl who were with you the whole time. But they were great additions to the show. They conduct themselves well and don’t chime in with stupid BS. Good stuff Loner.
Its so pathetic tbh. Also lonerbox is by no means a destiny parrot. This idea that anyone who isn't fully in agreement with hasan is a destiny clone is deranged
Hey Loner, appreciated your Discord announcement warning people about the graphic content being posted online from Syria. Just thought that was a thoughtful thing for you/your mods to do.
Don't celebrate too soon. He came back for another and regressed completely. Social validation from your peers telling you that you socked it to him will do that.
Cheers, LonerBox! You’re most excellent. 🫶🏽 How can anyone thinks it’s logical to deny Jews self-determination (Zionism) to promote Palestinian self determination 🤦🏻♀️ these kids need serious d3radicalisation!
I’m a new viewer to your content and I just wanna say I appreciate your coverage a lot. You’re definitely very underrated and I’m glad you came on the h3 podcast a couple weeks back! I’m glad to see someone fighting back against the insane propaganda spreading online. I think right now it’s getting particularly bad on TikTok. almost every comment section I open talking about this conflict is cancerous.
How old is this guy, 16? EDIT oh 19, not that far off...I don't blame him, at 19 I didn't know sh*t either though in my defence I wasn't going around claiming I do...
I appreciate Loner trying to get through to this kid, because if I was arguing with someone about this stuff and they said they're 19 I would just stop wasting my time.
Truth is when it comes to US domestic politics Hasan has mostly good takes, he gets into that counterproductive, impractical, I'm right in principle so damn electorialism nonsense that so often cripples the left & progressive more than I'd like but he's far from he worst actor in the online left in that regard. However, his foreign policy takes are consistently rock stupid campest drivel. Like the dude will literally rationalize & even defend Russian & Chinese imperialism & the resultant atrocities just because its not western imperialism. The guy will literally infantalize & give the benefit of the doubt to any nation or faction that opposes western hegemony regardless of the situation or context on the ground. Not saying American/Western Foreign policy isn't pretty f-ing atrocious it is & constant deserves scrutiny but that's just not true of just the west & Hasan has no excuse for remain for ignorant of that this long & has done has fans a huge disservice by choosing to stubbornly remain so simple minded & naive.
This kid needs to do some research on Islamic colonisation, including in his home country. How does he justify Lebanon no longer being majority Christian.. 🤔
Because he probably is. The whole reason this propaganda works on these kids is because emotionally charged slogans, chants, and heuristics tickle their righteous spot. It makes them feel like noble warriors; the feel like they're part of "the good" in a war of good vs evil, the same way evangelical christianity does. So when they have a conversation like this where the myth unravels and they slowly start to feel like evil pawns who parroted a bunch of disgusting non-sense, they get defensive, lash out, and if you get past that and break them down enough, they get shamed into wanting to cry.
Because he's an ill-informed teenager filled with rehearsed Hasan talking points arguing with someone who actually knows his shit and can go off script.
this is absolutely ridiculous. He instantly claims the caller is making a white supremacist argument, and then when he realizes that the collar is making the opposite point, HE starts making the white supremacist argument!!?
Most Hasan viewers are decent people and genuinely want to improve things, which makes the dumb shit Hasan says on a regular basis all the more aggravating
As a decent Hasan viewer I agree
@@JustSomeReptile that's an oxymoron
I'm not sure that is a supportable position. You could try to say most Rush Limbaugh listeners were good people who just wanted things to be better. If someone buys into Hasan's various nonsense then they are most definitely not a good person. The problem is that whenever Hasan says something correct its said with the same ignorance as the nonsense he's clearly wrong on like Ukraine. It's frankly disqualifying.
I highly highly doubt that. I think most Hasan viewers are terrible. They openly cheer on his behavior and make excuses for him. I have never ever seen his audience hold him accountable for anything.
Most Hasan viewers makes me rethink my takes on gulags
"Yes, we are blaming jews for global conflicts again, but we're right this time"
Over and over again, decade after decade, century after century
I get hating them for the settling stuff but their whole history is so we got kicked out of our homeland then slavery, hatred, hatred, hatred, and wait... more hatred, they've finally said no and have decided to fight about it after being pretty accepting of millenia of bs.
No one said this. Shlomo sure does like to make things up.
@@brentoncarter4275Do you hate Jews because they a convenient scapegoat to explain why you’re such a loser?
In Europe?
Because we coexited in peace for centuries...
In Europe?
Because we coexist for centuries...
Oh god. Seeing this is making me see that Hasan is genuinely evil. This is so sad
This is a good thing. Hasan is a crappy human being.
Im surprised it wasn't obvious before.
@@_Addi_ it's not tbh. Hasan comes across as ignorant instead of malicious
@@theanimerapper6351 Maybe if you don't do absolutely any honest research yourself. But if you did, it would be alarmingly obvious.
@@_Addi_ dude chill. Not everyone is as terminally online as you are. The guy above might have been genuinely not knowledgeable on hasanism
“Hasan is Muslim because he has a Muslim name” is like saying everyone called David is a Jew 😂🤦🏻♀️
Who said this?
@yossibtk חסן
@@JohnDorian-j7x Literally like the first person speaking with lonerbox in the video.
I mean, this guys practically just a victim in how he's been radicalized. It's actually more sad than infuriating
True 😢
This guy should get some credit imo, I think a lot of people have been down a rabbit hole once or twice in their time, at least he was ready to listen(somewhat at least)
It’s only sad until he does something violent as a result of
It, I have no pity for him.
To be fair I was in a tankie phase at 19 too and now looking back now at the age of 28 I cringe
Yeah
This guy is what happens when you only get your information from Twitter and Twitch.
You misspelled twitch. Its spelled hasan.
This isn't even about getting information, its about being critical of the information you receive. When he believes in the houthi attacks on ships its like ending birth mortality by sterilizing everyone.
But he's probably 13, so I'm faithful he'll change.
@@mayshack
It's telling how you think THAT'S the only alternative. You really need to project your laziness onto everyone else to feel ok about your own.
Sounds like he only gets his information from Hasan
UA-cam isn't too much better.
kidnapping unarmed civilians from countries unrelated to the conflict COURAGEOUSLY
Unironically arguing for Jews to take on the Dhimmi status is buck wild lol
But that's what leftists want
I think paying my oppressor tax just to be able to practice my religion and avoid being killed or imprisoned is 50/50 relationship
but how would i know that when i have no idea that dhimmi is? i mean i _had_ to choose an opinion on that topic
Fr the "they used to coexist" line makes me want to crawl in a hole and scream. Dhimmitude isn't exactly peaceful coexistence buddy. There's always been strain there.
Who is arguing for this?
hearing some of the stories coming out of syrian prisons right now makes the whole "i dont think assad is as bad as they make him out to be" statement fucking crazy
but you know, that's just american propaganda funded by the endless pockets of the american propaganda machine.
49:20 “You can be a middle eastern colonizer” 💀💀💀wait till he hears about where Arabic people come from and how nearly the entire Middle East even became an Arab majority. 😭
Do you know how ? 😂
Hascord is truly sending their best.
Also wtf is up with all this Destiny paranoia? I truly don't get it
It's because all of the Hasan orbiters suck up to their supreme leader, and so all his viewers can't imagine it being another way for other creators that disagree.
There isn't any point other than a few years ago, he said problematic things and maybe he's changed but no one else in these leftists' in-group would ever give him that benefit of the doubt so if I they ever relaxed on destiny, everyone they like would turn on them. It's simple in-group bias, peer pressure, and spinelessness.
Hasan paints the picture that anything bad that happens or anyone who disagrees with him are somehow connected to Destiny.
It’s because hasan and his ilk are the same as leftwing maga. Destiny is just a proxy for the Jews or NWO. Notice how much he was saying the US was backing people and thus those groups were automatically bad.
Destiny lives rent-free in Hasan's head.
C'mon guys let's be nice. The guy came in, talked, didn't run, and seemed open to changing his mind by the end. I think that should be lauded.
The bare minimum
@@aidanhearn4210well yeah atleast it’s something, he’s a dumbass but he isnt just gonna suddenly drop part of his world cause a guy he already didn’t like beat him in a conversation
@@aidanhearn4210 ? yes, and?
I concur, this dude seamed interested in facts. These people should be coddled not smacked around. We want them to come to our side. Loner was a bit harsh IMO. Loner was 100% right, but a bit harsh.
@@aidanhearn4210 thats not at all the bare minimum. especially in a I/P conversation lmao
It’s crazy to me how disgusting Hasan has smeared you just because you disagree with him, keep up the good work.
It angers me that well meaning people's self-righteous rage are being taken advantage of and warped into something ugly. This guy seems incredibly well-meaning, but is trapped in a media-sphere of people that traffic in emotions rather than news. I wish him luck.
The anti-Israelis keep on calling Israel a Jewish ethno-state, but fact of the matter is that there are more non Jewish Israeli citizens in Israel than the number of Jews in all of the Arab countries combined.
Yeah they keep screaming that the country with whose Arabic judge in the supreme court sentenced a Jewish former PM to prison "apartheid"
"Something something Mossad attacked Jews pretending to be Arabs (links Avi Shlaim)"
It makes me a little sad to know that in any possible future Palestinian state there would probably be no Jews at all :l like I want them to have a state that it is worth living in, but we all know that while Israel will always have large populations of other ethnic and religious groups within it, the same will never be true for Palestine
So 10? Cuz last i checked thr arab countries killed all the jews.
@@lolno6465Abbas has said explicitly there will be no Jews in a future Palestinian state. But that’s not antisemitic or an ethnostate. 🤦🏻♂️
I can't imagine what levels of regardation you need to have in order to say "Oct 7 is like the Warsaw ghetto uprising" and "I don't agree with the methods" within the same sentence.
Double thought and cognitive dissonance will get you.
Brain damaging levels of cognitive dissonance!
yeah thats a killshot of a contradiction.
Its a Hasan talking point that he made up on the spot because he has no fucking clue about anything.
Who said that?
God this kid has had his brain fried. 1st things 1st respect to the kid for actually coming & having the debate. You have already proven yourself better than Hassan with that action alone. Kid you need to leave the echo chamber & learn about these things without Hassan feeding you garbage.
He legitimately cant conceive that Destiny isn't secretly behind everything. Respect to the regular Isrealis guest for handling it so well. You & LonerBox have done a great job giving Destiny reasonable but firm pushback.
Has LonerBox gone through literature from Mwatana? It’s a Yemeni-based human rights group and they track a lot of the shit the Houthis do, which is really useful for teaching Hasan viewers what their heroes are actually doing to their fellow people
To be willing to change your viewpoint live like this is difficult, and shows open mindedness.
True most Hasan viewers dont actually engage with other view points so props to this young dude.
Indeed there is hope for this one. You are a member so that’s why I’m asking you cuz you are the one who most likely knows lonerbox circle best. Does the guy and girl that lonerbox brought on have a UA-cam channel. I liked what they had to say and I’d like to learn more about them?
Anyone know how old this guy is?
@@_levant1n_708 19
@@_levant1n_70819
42:00 - The Gaza blockade did not happen in 2005. It happened in 2007, after six Palestinian suicide bombing in Israel culminated in Hamas's seizure of Gaza, despite the fact that the so-called occupation had ended two years prior. That was when Israel stupidly assumed that they could contain the violence by just putting up a wall and hoping for the best. All that did was to delay it 16 years. It was never about occupation. Egypt occupied Gaza from 1948 - 1967, and not a single "Palestinian" complained about it. In fact, they didn't even call themselves Palestinians until Israel recaptured the territory. Suddenly they were no long Egyptians anymore; they were magically Palestinian instead.
I wish more people would realise this but ignorant people don't want to, I hope the free palestine trend ends with all there propaganda nonsense
That's false...
I lived gaza the blockade was even before Hamas took power...
this is actually so interesting, this poor kid was brainwashed
It's so painfully obvious he's never thought about the things he's been told and just accepted everything as fact without critical engagement.
@@JohnDoesSports well yeah, but I give him a lot of credit for engaging in the conversation and being willing to change his mind throughout. Most fully grown adults can't even do that.
@@MomoIsMyHero That's true!
@@JohnDoesSports the guilt by association with 4 degrees of separation to trying to explain that Destiny (who actually has no relevance to the conversation) is a nazi because he supports ethical CP, if you actually know anything about these talking points made me almost think this guy must just be meming. There couldn't be a more perfect manifestation of a negative stereotype about online leftists. It's not his fault, if I look back on the type of creators and videos I was watching growing up I could totally see a future where I went full alt-right. I think these content creators just need to be more responsible and held to their actions, at some point when there is so many proven examples of knowingly lying/spreading misinfo shouldn't there be some kind of consequences for these people?
He has a more open mind that many many people. He's lost, but it's not hopeless for the kid. He sounds like a person who's open to knowledge.
On the Russian Crimea point... not only did Russia fill up the area with Russian's, didn't they go around with guns while making people vote? Am I wrong or am I crazy that I remember that happening?
Yes, the 2014 "election" was rigged as shit! The most recent survey I know of was from like the 90s and then it was a slight majority in favor of staying a part of Ukraine.
Russians don’t hold elections unless they already know the votes
Yes, the GRU officer who led the Crimean coup
Has admitted it on his podcast, on telegram, and bragged that he forced the crimean parliament to dissolve at gun point.
The Crimean vote came down to two choices: "Independence Now" or *in a much smaller text* "Independence later"?
You forgot about taking the lands from the tatars
This kid is a secret Destiny super fan. Could not help himself rapid fire spit out the Destiny’s greatest hits.
DGG sleeper agents living so deep in Hascord they forget who they fight for
@@thathappyaussie5209 we salute our brave agents for their sacrifice to the DGGihad, TAKBIR!!!
I really appreciate you, lonerbox. You approach this subject with compassion and empathy for both Jews and Arabs, you do a ton of research, and unlike destiny, you don’t tend to put your foot in your mouth. Keep up the good work, we need people like you
I think the foot in the mouth is part of the charm. I totally agree though.
Nah, Destiny is the Kang of this realm. Destiny number one, loner number two or three.
Except the part where he admitted he's defending an ethnostate. Multiple times
@@JohnDorian-j7x I love destiny, don’t get me wrong
@@eliasbobias9969 So true, king
bro is like 14 thinking he knows everything about the world he'll grow up
He's 19 😭
He's no more ignorant than your average person in the world
No way is he 19, his voice is still cracking
Hasan isn’t sending his best. This was pathetic.
This is probably the best they have. Hasans audience are all idiots
Actually he is sending his best :(
Don't be too mean. We were all dumb teenagers once.
He's sending little copies of himself
Given the streamers he birthed, this guy might as well be his best
Your patience with these ignorant parrots is admirable.
he doesnt care about making people feel bad because he knows that the only reason they see things the way they do is because theyve been taken advantage of and pumped full of misinformation for hasans own profit, keeping his audience radicalized with lies and propaganda is whats keeping his pockets full, and loner only cares about letting people know the truth
@supfam3166 yeah, it's part of the reason I watch him. That and he actually works to have a well informed opinion.
This is the closest you can get to debating Hasan lmao, just his slightly more regarded clone
42:00 in 1948 Israel stops 3 armies w 0.5M holocaust survivors and jews w a Palestinian passport, WITHOUT ANY US OR WEST HELP.
Bonerlox deradicalizes detoxifies defies
"They bankrupted a port"
Lol, someone has been watching too may Second Thought videos
Loner, I really think you have the ability to change the future of the region. I wish you can help more people see peace with us Jews as an option. Thank you
Lol
What a way to put pressure on our buddy.
VoterBox 2028
Now if only the Israeli government saw peace as an option.
They do, example: Egypt and Jordan.
No thoughts, only slogans. Palestine deserves better supporters.
Are the other 2 appearances by this guy going to be uploaded as well? Because they were quite illuminating.
I hope to see this too
What do you mean illuminating?
Wait, he's been on before? Oh PLEASE share.
@@RiceShouldBeFluffy he was on two more times since this appearance. Should be able to search the recent vods to find it.
A while ago I was under the impression loner is some anti Israeli person, only ever saw some random clips from his streams / videos, after I started watching him I have to say he is so incredibly knowledgeable and he sees the world very well, he calls Israel for its bs and is also very supportive when it’s deserved, I love your videos, keep doing this important work!
I actually feel bad for this person, who just speaks talking points he heard, he obviously doesn’t understand anything he talks about. He needs help not debates…
I still don't get it. I was 19 and dumb too but I never invested this much of my identity in global politics nor did I take a bunch of staunch stances on it based on surface level information that I knew I was never going to look deeper into. I might have had thoughts occur in my head that resemble this kid's but it was always followed by the next thought which was, "I probably don't know everything and would likely be humiliated and laughed out of the room if I was ever confronted by someone who knows more."
I just don't buy that being capable of that is exceptionally mature for a 19 year old. I think college freshman are more than capable of being more discerning. Why are we treating these kids like toddlers instead of, you know, college freshmen?
@@RiceShouldBeFluffy I think it's normal these days for kids to come out of high school with strong opinions and nothing but surface-level knowledge. The internet has made it really easy to politicize people on any issue. I don't think we should blame the kid here.
I blame the internet. Kids are lonelier than ever and seek community on the internet. Unfortunately, the internet encourages the worse, most inflammatory stuff to propagate the farthest.
@@blarblablarblar And they engage in constant cruelty in service of those convictions; they shouldn't get to skate consequence free from it. I'm all for compassionately walking them through the logic on why they're wrong but at some point, there has to be an actual reckoning. You don't get to spew venom like what Hasan teaches you for how many years only to then walk away with nothing more to say for yourself than, "lol I was a dumb college freshman." If these kids are gonna be rehabilitated down the line, fine, but make them earn it. The lesson can't just be "the internet was bad and it made you bad." There has to be an actual conversation about idolatry, group thought, tribalism, social cruelty in service of an in-group, complicity, and COWARDICE. There needs to be a hard lesson in being too cowardly to stand up to your friend group. The lesson these kids take can't be one where they get to scrub their hands clean. The lesson can't be, "it's actually totally valid to just nod along with your herd; rolling with your set is valid so you actually have no personal responsibility for the garbage you advocated for."
Hey, Israeli here. Only here to comment on the Hummus: Sabra sucks. If you're in Israel look for Mashani Hummus it's way better.
Also no hate towards Palestinians but I had the opportunity to try your cola and it sucks lmao get coke and Pepsi to sell there. LET US BRING PEACE WITH THE POWER OF COKE AND PEPSI.
Humus is mentioned in the Ruth scroll
This is a perfect example of hasans manipulation. Kids who don't know any better and hear the lies and propaganda hasan says as truth.
Wow I thought Hassan’s audience being 19 was a joke
I'm a musician and I fell out of my local underground music scene because of how young it skews and how the politically charged segment of it wields their convictions like a cudgel against bands they don't like. The Las Vegas scene is ALL highschool - college freshmen Hasan viewers. It's dumb kids with Soviet patched winter hats (like the hat Kyle wears in South Park), and hammer and sickle stickers on their Instagram bios.
The frontwoman from one of the biggest local bands out here started booking shows and called her promotion group "Pravda Productions."
I don't know if it's like this in the underground arts scenes in all college towns but from where I'm standing, what Hasan is doing to kids is super obvious.
Have you seen the age metrics for twitch users? Its almost certainly the case that most viewers of any twitch streamers will be minors.
it is a joke, most of them are waaay younger.
@@rockbark2137 I haven’t, I’m never on twitch however. I kinda assumed a guy like Asmongold has man children as his audience, but I guess it makes more sense that it’s just children lol
@@greendalf123
i think you guys underestimate how many 19-25 year olds are adult sized children. I think there's more of those in their audiences than we give them credit.
Lonerbox and co. should start a cult deprogramming agency. The patience and effectiveness is unparalleled. This was a masterclass in reason.
Everytime this kid gets questioned on his stance and he doesn't know what to answer, he sounds like that "Have you ever had a dream like this?" kid meme. It's hilarious
Average hasan viewer
Sadly true
Hmmm, He seemed on the more reasonable end to me. Those guys are vicious antisemites.
“I am lebanese”
Living in the us? Never been to lebanon? No bro, you are American 🦅
O-O I WAS IN THE VOD LETS GOOO
Kudos to you. Sanity is the rarest commodity on the internet and you have it
This fallback point of they weren't on a list is crazy
Literally "Um actually" ass argument 🤓
Confused how anyones make the argument against an ethnostate relating to Israel yet supports the long existing Arab Muslim ethnostates? Can someone explain if I’m missing something.
Israel is actually the only country in the ME that has full rights for minorities. Contrast that with Muslim societies where minorities are persecuted and the governments are despotic.
ur missing nothing. no consistency-- they've just been programmed to have the sentiments they have by bigoted losers like hasan.
Dude still doesn’t have a clue what genocide is.
Im sipping coffee and nearly spit it out 3 min in. My god the brain rot from this kid. Loners the goat.
Eh his positions on the pagers attack was pretty shitty and his standards for genocide seem to come from some realm of stubbornness or something, but he is certainly one of the most knowledgeable streamers on this topic
@@DinggisKhaaniMagtaalactually based take
"jolani has nothing against israel" dude literally named himself after the golan heights (occupied syria) where his parents are from incredible
This discussion is so underrated I truly hope more people are blessed with the chance to get the perspective lonerbox has to offer
Oh god 10 minutes in and it's just pure propaganda being spoken by this child. He also sounds like he's on the verge of crying
God damn this was a great clip dude. I didn’t catch the names of the two dudes and girl who were with you the whole time. But they were great additions to the show. They conduct themselves well and don’t chime in with stupid BS. Good stuff Loner.
Minutes in, DESTINY, DESTINY!!
Hasan and his fans, are the biggest destiny fans!
Its so pathetic tbh. Also lonerbox is by no means a destiny parrot. This idea that anyone who isn't fully in agreement with hasan is a destiny clone is deranged
Rent free.
Least radical and most wel informed middle easterner living in the west.
please don't. Many of us are not like this child
@nozers yeah my comment is a bit more xenophobic than it is funny tbh, mb
@@un4893😂 all good, this kid is making me insane too
Hey Loner, appreciated your Discord announcement warning people about the graphic content being posted online from Syria. Just thought that was a thoughtful thing for you/your mods to do.
21:24 “where’s the evidence besides video” is insane man he said who u gonna believe me or this concrete evidence
Was not expecting the ethical CP debate to come up lmfao
Damn editing goes crazy, shoutout to the editor
I’m two minutes in and I would’ve bet the farm that there’s no way this guy would change his mind. Impressive
Don't celebrate too soon. He came back for another and regressed completely. Social validation from your peers telling you that you socked it to him will do that.
Whoever kept changing his name on discord throughout the conversation... thank you. I noticed. 😂😂😂
Omg I usually listen to streams like podcasts so I missed this beautiful comical nugget.
So, he believes Palestinans advocating for a Palestinan ethnostate are right, but Jews are wrong.
It sounded like this kid wanted to cry half of the video.
Do it again.
Hey dont bully children
all hail lonerbox
this intro was really good damn
The guy legit sounds like a 14 year old kid holy shit
19, apparently. He can barely articulate his opinions here
intro is absolute cinema
Cheers, LonerBox! You’re most excellent. 🫶🏽 How can anyone thinks it’s logical to deny Jews self-determination (Zionism) to promote Palestinian self determination 🤦🏻♀️ these kids need serious d3radicalisation!
“Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us”. Golda Meir 1:27:36
"ive seen one of them in nature reserves and their tunnels look really good" yes, magnificent tunnels, truly great tunnels
Them changing his name in Discord every 20min killed me 😆
That intro went so hard!!!
LonerBox taking names. Love it.
I’m a new viewer to your content and I just wanna say I appreciate your coverage a lot. You’re definitely very underrated and I’m glad you came on the h3 podcast a couple weeks back! I’m glad to see someone fighting back against the insane propaganda spreading online. I think right now it’s getting particularly bad on TikTok. almost every comment section I open talking about this conflict is cancerous.
Here from h3 too🎉
@@TheBteamairsoft family
The kids voice hasnt even dropped yet.
Most educated 19 year old hasan viewer
Mediterranean Jews were in Israel throughout the 2000years. In Jerusalem, zfat, teberia, Haifa, Jaffa.
10 seconds in and he went the holier than thou route. Bad faith😊
11 minutes in and this kid is in fucking tears LMAO
He is an 19 Year old Child who Watches too much Lefty Internet stuff. 🙈
Props to the editor 👏🏻
How old is this guy, 16?
EDIT oh 19, not that far off...I don't blame him, at 19 I didn't know sh*t either though in my defence I wasn't going around claiming I do...
I find it so cringe when orbiters unintentionally inherit the mannerisms of their group leader.
I liked this debate. Even if the guest wasn't really well informed he came for a genuine discussion and not a for bs sports like event.
stop bullying children lonerbox this is actually violent
That boy sounded like he was 13 or something. His was was even cracking
He's 19. He's just dumb enough to sound 13.
He is 19 so tecnically an adult
wait till someone from Hasancord screenshot this and send to Hasan, just for him to agree with it cuz LB is with "DiddyG"
I appreciate Loner trying to get through to this kid, because if I was arguing with someone about this stuff and they said they're 19 I would just stop wasting my time.
Truth is when it comes to US domestic politics Hasan has mostly good takes, he gets into that counterproductive, impractical, I'm right in principle so damn electorialism nonsense that so often cripples the left & progressive more than I'd like but he's far from he worst actor in the online left in that regard.
However, his foreign policy takes are consistently rock stupid campest drivel. Like the dude will literally rationalize & even defend Russian & Chinese imperialism & the resultant atrocities just because its not western imperialism. The guy will literally infantalize & give the benefit of the doubt to any nation or faction that opposes western hegemony regardless of the situation or context on the ground.
Not saying American/Western Foreign policy isn't pretty f-ing atrocious it is & constant deserves scrutiny but that's just not true of just the west & Hasan has no excuse for remain for ignorant of that this long & has done has fans a huge disservice by choosing to stubbornly remain so simple minded & naive.
This kid needs to do some research on Islamic colonisation, including in his home country. How does he justify Lebanon no longer being majority Christian.. 🤔
lol why does he constantly sound like he’s about to burst into tears😂
Because he probably is. The whole reason this propaganda works on these kids is because emotionally charged slogans, chants, and heuristics tickle their righteous spot. It makes them feel like noble warriors; the feel like they're part of "the good" in a war of good vs evil, the same way evangelical christianity does. So when they have a conversation like this where the myth unravels and they slowly start to feel like evil pawns who parroted a bunch of disgusting non-sense, they get defensive, lash out, and if you get past that and break them down enough, they get shamed into wanting to cry.
Because he's an ill-informed teenager filled with rehearsed Hasan talking points arguing with someone who actually knows his shit and can go off script.
this is absolutely ridiculous. He instantly claims the caller is making a white supremacist argument, and then when he realizes that the collar is making the opposite point, HE starts making the white supremacist argument!!?
Middle East Jews were in Israel throughout the 2000years. In Jerusalem, zfat, teberia, Haifa, Jaffa.
the amount of baggage these people have is astounding. props to him for sticking through 30 minutes in!
Damn, that intro. With the music? Bad ass bro. That shit hit hard. As a Jew, you understand how we feel 100%.
*zionist. Antizionists do not share his views. Lonerbox assumes the liberal zioniet positions
This kid sounds like he's 16 why is this a 2 hour video
Now this is the content I came here for.
10/10 intro. Absolute kino.
You have to do these 1 on 1, the other 2 people constantly trying to but in with their own things isn't helping
This intro slaps
Thank you… thank you from the bottom of my heart and the entirety of my being for what you do and sharing it.
Thank you 🙏🏽
Dear God, if this is the average Hasan viewer...that's really sad.