They are def not educating anyone . They going off nothing factual . I can pull the Bible and show you through genealogy that we are Chaldean and not Assyrian .
There is absolutely no “ethnicity” of Chaldean. There is so much disinformation about this topic which is unfortunate. I am a genetic researcher and I can assure you 100% that all Chaldeans are Assyrians by ethnicity. Multiple DNA tests prove this. Chaldean is only a religious designation for Assyrians who adhere to the Catholic faith.
Cant because of Church and even if you go prior to christianity, they were split of different Sumerian and Akkadian gods - unless Assyrians can be secular like Kurds and Jews and have the churches serve the Assyrian state.
No. Among you are armenians, turks, kurds, arabs, jews, iranians, scythians, europeans - via arab slavery (look at the whiteness of your women). It's not a good or bad thing. It's simply obvious and historical accurate. Mesopotamian people, like many other people in the empires crossroads, are heavily mixed.
As an American with 100% Jewish DNA, I am fascinated by the Assyrian people and your struggle for recognition! It reminds me so much of Jews and Palestinians. DNA evidence shows that Jews and Palestinians are *the same people*. I find it fascinating to see a similar story where a people from the same genetic roots can come to view each other as totally different! We all need to the wake up to the truth that we all share ancestors and all have a desire for a good life!
@@bogdanpstDNA tests show that modern day Assyrians/Chaldeans have the highest percentage of Mesopotamian origin than all those ethnicities you’ve listed. I don’t understand the “whiteness” you’re arguing about? Mesopotamian people are apart of the Caucasian race which is pale/olive/brown skin. if there was any slave trade going on DNA tests would show it but it doesn’t; stop spreading false info.
Great videos brothers. The problem that I see is that most Chaldeans of today believe that they can trace back to the ancient Chaldeans of Babylon but those guys were actually a group of nomads called the Kassistes that ruled over Babylon. As everyone knows the Chaldeans of today are Catholic Assyrians.
May Allah guide you and guide all of us to the right path which is Islam. I was also a Catholic Arab then I read the Quran and as an Arab, there is no way any of us Arabs could ever disagree with the Quran. You don't have to reply to this, I am half Moroccan who grew up with my catholic mother and she did everything to make me one, but I also self taught myself Arabic and read the Quran and I hope you all do.
as a armenian, this video is fascinating. ironically genetic studies have concluded that armenians and assyrians most likely came from the same group or tribe of people in pre-history. 15,000-25,000 years ago. who knows if that’s correct.
Ассирийцы и Армяне братья во Христе, и близки друг другу как древние народы, но все же разные народы и генетика разная, но ассирийцы из Армении очень ассимилировпны с армянами вот в их случае можно говорить о сходсиве генетики, а так все же разные мы, но повторюсь очень близкие народы везде.
I've always been told that Chaldeans are of Babylonian origin meaning south of Iraq, and Assyrians of course being of Northern Iraq. And religion has nothing to do with it. There are Assyrians who are Catholic as well as Chaldean Catholics.
The ancient Chaldeans/Assyrians yes. Modern day “Chaldeans” have origins in northern Iraq because they are Assyrians who converted to the Catholic Church and for some reason the pope called all Assyrian Catholics “Chaldean”. This division started in the 16th century AD, before that all Assyrians were united. This is how our people kept our identity through a millennia and went through arab conquests, etc. still managing to keep our identity.
This is a brilliant conversation, I'm proud of you both for doing this. It's also really saddening to hear Paul hadn't even heard of Assyrians until he was in 8th grade... this needs to change within the Chaldean community. It's truly unfortunate that Chaldeans have been given false information for generations now. I know the history and why it's complex but like Paul, they need to reclaim their true ethnicity- it's essential to our survival of our people. Regarding the live debate- I think it would be embarrassing to the Chaldean debater as an Assyriologist will be able to debunk their belief very easily. I don't think it's about the info- it's like Emmanuel said- it's about not being willing to hear the facts and accept them. Again, it's complex but necessary that Chaldeans are educated correctly.
Sadly, Pauls story is not an uncommon thing. I went through a very similar experience, although I didn’t even learn until much later than he did. In reality, it’s not even about being “given false information for generations” at all. Chaldeans in communities like Michigan and California grow up identifying as “Chaldean” in English, and even calling the language “Chaldean”. The reason for this is not because they reject Assyrian identity, or because they believe they descend from the ancient Chaldeans, or because they adhere to the whole separatist “we wuz Babylonian” bs, or because they were given wrong information. For the most part, they are just raised that way. The vast majority don’t even know much about what’s going on. Ask them about our history and they wouldn’t be able to tell you really anything, honestly. Ask them where they’re from, and they’ll just say the name of the country that their family is from-as if we don’t have our own homeland. Ask them if they know about this whole “name debate”, or Assyrian nationalism, or Chaldean sectarianism/separatism, and most won’t even know what you’re talking about. These things are basically unheard of. I don’t know how else to describe it other than poor education, apathy, and especially unawareness. I believe the main reason our elders identified themselves as “Chaldeans” when moving to these diaspora communities is because they are Chaldeans in an ecclesiastical/denominational sense, which isn’t inaccurate. The name Chaldean is indeed inaccurate for sure, but it is unfortunately the official name of the church, whether we like it or not. So if it’s in that context, they weren’t wrong. It’s like how Maronites would identify as such due to being members of the Maronite Church. It just makes it somewhat easier ig. I’ve heard that when Chaldeans first went to Michigan, many of them initially identified with their village/tribe, so there was a bunch of Telkepnaye/Telkeffis for example. When they were still in the homeland (prior to becoming diaspora), they mostly only called themselves Suraye. Due to the demographic environment in the homeland where we are the Christians and everyone else is Muslim or non-Christian, Suraye became almost synonymous with Christian (Mshihaya). What a lot of people don’t understand is that yes, the word Suraye has been used to mean Christian for a while now, but this doesn’t mean it entirely lost its other connotations. To give an example, many of the older people in my family have told me that the word Suraya means Christian. At the same time, i’ve only ever seen them refer to our people specifically by this name. If it just meant Christian and that’s it, we would be calling Christians of any ethnic/national background as Suraye-but we don’t. This demonstrates that it hasn’t lost its ethnic/national connotation completely. Another connotation it carries is for those who speak our language. I must mention that Suraye means Assyrians. Regardless of how one uses the word, it means Assyrians. Period. Some will argue that it means “Syrians/Syriacs” instead, but this is a poor argument. We know where those words come from. We know their etymology and what/who the original use of them was for. Archeological inscriptions and bunch of other evidence confirms this. Back to the topic now. Therefore, when they moved to these new communities, they weren’t really sure of how to identify themselves properly. This of course is due to the reasons I mentioned above, as well as the effects of the Ottoman millet system. In the Middle East and in our homeland, ethnic/national identity lost its important for a long time and most (especially our people) were most commonly known by our religious/denominational names. I could go into much more detail about the denial of Assyrian identity following the Assyrian genocide and Simele massacre and the major role they played in this, but my comment is already long and I doubt anyone will read, + i’m sure you already know. As for the debate they hope to do, Assyrians will undoubtedly easily prove that Chaldeans are Assyrians. I don’t know what the Chaldean side would have to offer. Back when our name on the US census was being changed from Assyrian to what it is now, they didn’t seem to have any strong argument or claims to justify separating Assyrians from Chaldeans, or for changing the name from Assyrian to “Assyrian/Chaldean” or “Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac”. The US Census Bureau seemed biased in my opinion and was ready to easily and quickly change the name and back the Chaldeans in regards to the name change, possibly saw it as an east way to further divide us and weaken our movement/identity. They said things like “Our research has concluded that Chaldeans represent a unique ethnic group, and that Syriac is also an acceptable ethnic indicator” but provided no evidence to back it. What research are they talking about exactly? I don’t think it’s possible for anyone who has really done research into our history and identity to come to such ridiculous and laughable conclusion. I guess we will have to wait and see if this ever happens and who argues for the Chaldean side. All they seem to have is a bunch of wannabe-historian hateful old men on platforms and groups like Facebook where they spam the same misleading images and sources everywhere in their hilarious attempts to prove that Assyrians are actually just “Chaldean Nestorians from Hakkari and Urmia” lmao, but I won’t even go into that right now.
@@assyrianchad Bro, I think this is the longest YT comment I've ever read 😂 It was worth it though. Thanks for going into great detail about your experience and conclusion on this topic. It's complex indeed and so varied just as we are as a people in diaspora. I can agree with you in saying that calling us Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac is silly yet I can see why Assyrian organizations have adopted this. I get that it's a quick way to 'unite' us but I hope continuing our efforts to educate new generations to identify as 'Assyrian' doesn't fall to the wayside. As our population continues to dwindle we should focus even more on unification. 🙏🏽
@@assyrianchadwhat a beautiful observation I’m a “Chaldean” and I do think you are right “Chaldeans” are Assyrians and we are all descendants of the people who are descendants of Assyrians…… it’s like us Assyrians claiming Iraq it’s quite asinine however I will claim Assyrian
I am a Latin Catholic that attends the TLM. I just recently went to my first Maronite Liturgy, I loved it. The area I live in have no Assyrian communities, but we do have the Indian Syro-Malabar here. I hope to attend a Chaldean, Assyrian, or Syriac Liturgy someday. God Bless you all. Ave Maria. Ave Christus Rex.
We really need to have a huge meeting about this infected name debate among our people, im a assyrian-syriac who lives in sweden and i really hope we can overcome this issue and unite under the assyrian name once and for all and even get our independence and country back. I agree that much of the problems we face. Are from within and has its origin in historical pride and ego. Which is a sin in its self. Pride is the devils sin and it is the sin that seperated him from God and heaven. And this sin (pride) has like the devil. Seperated us from each other. And created division and seperation. I hope you guys make a follow up on this topic and have similar topics like this and even broadcast that debate/meeting and post it online. Push'b Shlomo akhoni.
I like hearing the prospective of this topic from Assyrian's born in the diaspora, very interesting indeed. 😃 Your idea is great if I may suggest a person very qualified to shed light on this topic, and that would be Dr. Nicholas Al-Jeloo. It doesn't necessarily need to be a debate for the people to understand how we're all one ethnicity they just need to hear him explain it.
I don’t know if they’d be able to get many of the people we hope for, but i’d say that some other people who are qualified to speak on this and engage in this type of discussion would be Sargon Donabed, Ephrem Yildiz, Naures Atto, Joseph Yacoub, Hannibal Travis, Simo Parpola, Alda Benjamin, ofc Nicholas Al-Jeloo and so on.
How are they “so different”? They have the same culture, same DNA, same food, same last names, same language etc. only difference is dialect depending on the region/city they grew up in.
@@eyoo369 I have a question. Too many times I learnt that the aramean language was a common language in the Middle East, but exactly where it is located your home nation? It is in Palestine, Jordania, Syria, Lebanon or Iraq?
Nice video. As a Chaldean who is involved with the Church, I struggle to understand the actual basis of our ethnicity being either Chaldean or Assyrian. I know that we are the same Nestorian people who lived together under one Church, who were all united in Christ. I know when the split occurred sometime around the year 1551, some Nestorians joined the Catholic Church and were called the Chaldean Catholic Church under the Patriarchate of Babylon. I know as people who come from Bet Nahrain, we are geographically in the Mesopotamian region. What I truly struggle with is the claim to be the original Chaldeans, Assyrians, or Babylonians from the biblical era. How can we claim this? How do we make this into an identity with authority or basis? Can we truly call ourselves the descendants of Abraham of Ur? I still seek the truth out to this day and I think there are issues with both sides of the Assyrian-Chaldean debate. And to be honest, when you look at the culture, the language, the people, the Churches, and the region, there is no denying we are all the same people. In the end, my examination of this is that when we were all united under the same umbrella of Christ and in complete communion with one another, we truly were a united people. Our Church, the Church of the East, our father Thomas the Apostle, Mar Addai and Mar Mari, Mar Ephrem, all of these early church fathers are just shaking their heads at us, allowing ourselves to be divided, and over what? A name? I find it silly and repugnant that we do this to ourselves. I pray that God grants us the strength and leadership needed to unite our communities and come together again as one people. We are all one family, and anyone who fails to see that is allowing the devil to control their sense of pride. That is my stance. One thing I like to reference is the story of the Tower of Babel. The Babylonians wanted to attain worldly dominance, and God humbled them by confusing their language and dispersing the people over all the earth. The same thing has come upon our modern people, the same people we claim to originate from. A funny thing in my book of humor. I hope for unity in all of the Assyrian, Chaldean and Syriac people and I pray that Maran Esho blesses us all and brings unity to our communities. God Bless you all, and thank you for reading my paragraph.
Being Assyrian is based on the fact that we live in historical Assyria (North Mesopotamia). We also speak and call our language Assyrian, the name Sureth which is derived from Ashureth. We also call ourselves Suraye which is derived from the word Ashuraye.
So many of us have these types of conversations but we're so separated and we think it's only our small group that discusses these things about assyrians but no trust me in a house in USA or Sweden or Australia or Germany these conversations are happening everywhere we just don't know how to connect on a large scale to properly discuss things and make moves
In my opinion we are a divided people not at our own doing, but at the influence and manipulation of much greater powers who understand "as one voice and one people’ we are the indigenous people of an area that has valuable natural resources (oil). As any indigenous people of an area we too should be awarded rights and benefits from the sale of these riches or at a minimum given autonomy over our ancestral monuments and densely populated areas. It’s just that we’ve been swayed into divide for so long we believe we are not one. It’s encouraging to see the young generation question beyond these senseless divides and voice our similarities. The more we communicate with each other and come together in thought the better our future will be.
Finally, I get a chance to learn something about this Assyrian-Chaldean confusion. Your ancestors had a big empire in the distant past. I am of Croatian ethnicity (yes, I am writing under a fake name). All the best boys. Greetings from Sydney, Australia.
@@icysaracen3054 wth?! The pagan gods were evil demanding human sacrifices… Jesus Christ is lord, and Assyrians have a connection with Christianity, Jesus spoke Aramaic, assyrian are in the Bible also.
Great video..I think we need to educate the young more so that can come to the realisation that Assyrians and Chaldeans are genetically the same people split on different religious and dialect lines..my dads family for instance are Assyrian Catholic from Iran. My understanding is the word Chaldean was designated to Catholic Assyrians by Pope Eugenius IV to distinguish them from the Assyrians of the Church of the East.
Im full Assyrian my parents are from Iran, all my family is from Iran except my grandmother whose family were Assyrians from Russia. I was born and raised in England with family in America, Australia, Iran, Turkey, Germany. I know the basics of our history from my family and we speak our language and keep some aspects of our culture, food and religion but I appreciate informative talks like this on the intricacies because in England most people have no idea what Assyrian means they assume I mean Syrian. It’s difficult to feel like you have your head around it when there is no real consensus on many aspects though and various differing opinions.
ur grandmother wasnt from Russia she moved there she came from a descent of assyrians that r originally from the land called ashur in the ancient times but then at some point was changed to the name Assyria after ashur died she moved to Russia when assyrians were killed by Arabs and exiled out of there land when they got kicked out of there land by Arabs they were getting killed so they were basically forced out alot of assyrians ended up moving to Iran, Lebanon, Egypt, and most of them went to Iraq and Assyria got turned into north Iraq
You guys should reach out to Shak Hanish who is a PHD In philosophy who has a great peer reviewed article about the Chaldean Assyria ethnic identify problem
So are Levantine Christians whos ancestors spoke western Aramaic also are "assyrians"? I know they've been arabized quite a bit but technically "Assyrian" in todays terms is referring to the eastern Aramaic people. But there was also a western people who largely lost their language and identity due to Arabization.
Levantine Christians are their own thing. They mostly descend from Arameans, an Levantine group originating in modern-day Syria roughly, and Canaanites
This is false, I’m Chaldean and one of my cousins name is Ninos. Also, our last names are the same, Assyrian/Chaldean doesn’t matter cause we’re the same people
The Bible is very distinctive that Chaldeans and Assyrians are two different people and were at war with each other for centuries so I don’t know how you guys got that mixed up
That doesn’t mean much Many pick and appropriate the names of other nations all the times yet they are related to them Apparently araps in the levant are canaanites now 😂 Saddam hussein is a babylonian now 😂
You are 💯 correct, about our Assyrians approach to our Chaldean brothers, but the proves are out there, first, the Chaldean name was established on our people from Nineveh in 1830 officially, and there are couple of videos for Mar Rafael Bi Daweed and Mar Sarhad Jammo, they both very clearly said, we (Chaldean) are Assyrians, then both were pressured to back down, but facts are facts, we need each other, and we actually have about 500k Assyrian Jews in Israel, good job, I'm so proud of you guys. Khaya Ganokhon.
Thanks Gabaree for your information I appreciate the young Assyrians talking about their background of our Nation ❤ Civilization who teaches the all other Nations about the Creation, we need to stand up for our Freedom our Rights our Holly Ashour Land we will fight until the last drop of our blood …We should stay away from ethnic who we are and say away from Religion .. Its so bad for one nation Civilization been divided by others I mean spirituals Leader of Churches stay away from these peoples, focus on Assyrian Cause 😢 to be one nation Civilization again ……? Shlamee to you both my blood brothers keep going with a Higher Spirits and be Strong to take over our Ashour Land and be one nation Civilization God bless you new generation citizens of Assyria every where on this planet …Amen ❤
I think it’s unclear if he was but even then, you have to read the history of the actual Chaldeans back then and see if they actually are the same people to this day which are Chaldeans or are they Assyrians who eventually changed.
@@edoh497 It helped that Catholic doctrine is VERY close to that of the Church of the East. Both were accused of being "Nestorian". Church of the East, perhaps with more facts behind it; in Late Antiquity that Church supported Nestorius as their ally from the Greek west. Although later on they quit doing that.
It’s actually very simple, the Chaldean church fasts for 3 days for Jonah. Jonah was ordered by God to preach to the Assyrian people … if we are not Assyrian (I’m Chaldean Assyrian) then why does our church fast these three days?
Funny, I grew up in the same quandary. My dad’s family fled Urmia in 1910s. His dad and baby brother were shot to death by a firing squad in front of him . After stopping in France they came to Chicago. They identified as Assyrians and my dad went to St Ephrem’s Chaldean church for mass on Sundays during the 1950s+. My mom’s Assyrian family left Tbilisi and wound up in Connecticut. Her mom soon died and the 2 girls were raised in a “Christian” children’s home. The 2 boys were left in the care of the depressed dad. I never knew Chaldean was a nationality.
My grandma is from the Long living Patriarch Aboona family, many live all around the world and mainly in Alqosh which is full of Chaldean assyrians. they call themselves chaldeans and not assyrian from what I know. truth be told, some chaldeans just don't know because they weren't taught I took a DNA test on 23andme and the regions were Nineveh, West azerbaijan iran, and Hakkari turkey, those are all the focus point of the assyrian homeland
The Assyrians, who were originally all part of one Christian group, started to split into different churches a long time ago, mostly because they disagreed on certain religious ideas and also because of various political situations. Here are some key events that caused major splits: Council of Ephesus (431 AD) - This was a big meeting where church leaders argued about religious teachings, particularly about a figure named Nestorius. The Assyrian Church of the East didn't agree with what was decided at this meeting and separated from what later became known as the Chalcedonian Orthodox Churches. Council of Chalcedon (451 AD) - Another important meeting that caused disagreements, this time about the nature of Christ. By this time, the Church of the East had already split off, but this council led to the creation of another group called the Oriental Orthodox, who also disagreed with the outcome of the council. Schism of the Sasanian Church (484 AD) - After a key church leader was executed by the Persian emperor, the Persian church decided to fully support the stance of the Church of the East. This was made official at a meeting called the Synod of Beth Lapat. Middle Ages - As Christianity spread and different political powers like the Byzantine Empire and Islamic caliphates influenced the area, the Assyrian Christians split even more, depending on where they lived, their political situations, and their specific religious beliefs.
The thing is Assyrians tend to be aggressive about it towards Chaldeans that’s the main reason we stay divided, it is indeed a slap in the face more than a historical or informational revelation
Roman Catholics, Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East. We're all children of God and his son Jesus died for all of us. Assyrian brothers and sisters, I have a question, can you understand the book of Daniel in the original Aramaic? Chapters 2-7 are in your language right? God bless 🙏🏻
Love from 🇮🇱 We still use aramiac EVERY prayer, every day and every hoiday, and studied daily in every yesivah.. it's a beautiful language.. i love it so much!
First of all I would like to say God bless our Assyrian people. I'm so happy to see these kinds of talks happening within our youth. I also would like to add that in the last 10 years people have learned more about Assyrians then in the last 500 years....thanks to the internet. Now I would like to also add that the story we have been given through our forefathers is that this Assyrian/Chaladean dispute started in the 1900s..just before the first world War. When the Assyrians were approached by the English and United Nations to fight alongside the allies to keep the Turks out of what now is called Iraq , in order to be given our land back and be recognized by the world as a people with a country. We did just that we fought and kept the Turks out . After the war was done Iraq was given to the Arabs and we to live under there rule. And so what happens now , you have a Christian people that have went against Muslim Turks and killed many of them during the war ...now living under the Arab Muslims care. Soon after we come to the great genocide that was conducted by the Turks against the Assyrians/Armenians/Greeks. In that time we were all Orthodox Christian and what happened was that Rome knowing about all that was happening to our people came and sat with our elders to tell them that whoever was to become Catholic would not be killed by the Turks , and so are elders made a decision in a time of great suffering ...they decided that it would be best if more the half the population would convert to Catholicism in order to keep our people from total annihilation. And that my dear brothers and sisters is what I was told by my forefathers about the birth of Chaladeans.
I've heard the conversion started in earnest in 1830. But your grandfather makes a good point. Why wouldn't people convert from one Church to another if it helped keep them alive?
I dont get it. Is the claim that the syriacs, assyrians, chaldeans, aramaens belong to different ethnicities or is it an argument about the naming of a single ethnicity that are divided along different christian denominations/dialects?
I understand what Emmanuel means when he says that the kids might not care for the debate because of the setting of convention, but I also think it’s a great idea if it is recorded, I would most definitely be in attendance for that debate! W Emmanuel, W Paul!
There is not enough of us to keep being separate. Even if Assyrians and Chaldean’s were different, we are so the same that we should work together, instead of trying to one-up each other.
Beginning with the second century A.D., Christianity flourished in Mesopotamia among the descendents of the two great and ancient empires of Chaldea and Assyria. Once they were baptized, both nations preferred the name Christian to their old national names. The Church was simply called the Church of the East. These people were gradually converted through the missions of St. Thomas, St. Addi, and St. Mari. Most of Iraq remained Christian until the advance of Islam in the mid 7th Century A.D. In time, Islam became the religion of the majority of Mesopotamians. Some Assyrians believe that, with the exception of the Assyrians, all original people of Iraq disappeared or were dissolved. They claim that there were no Chaldeans left, nor were their names used prior to the split of the Church of the East in 1553. Furthermore, they claim that there is no relationship between today's Chaldeans and those of antiquity. Herodotus, in his History of Persian War, Ch. VII, p. 63, (C. 430 B.C.), acknowledged that the Assyrians went to war with helmets, "This people, whom the Hellenes call Syrians are called Assyrians by the Barbarians." He also stated that the Chaldeans served in their ranks. The last statement is usually omitted by Assyrians who want to negate the Chaldean name. Moreover, the Chaldeans were mentioned by the Greek historian Xenophone. Xenophone marked in his book, Anabas, Book IV, Chapter III (401 B.C.), details about the passage of the Greek Battalion in the Nineveh area while returning from Persia to Greece. He affirmed that the Greek faced armed groups made of Chaldeans, Armenians, and Mardenians. He also described Chaldeans as "men of war, more than any other people." This statement confirms that Chaldeans had a strong presence in Assyria. A hymn written by Mar Marotha at the time of Persian oppression of Christians in Mesopotamia in the 4 th Century A.D. reads, "An order was issued to kill innocent martyrs by sword, the Chaldeans were surprised and they raised their finger toward the sky". This hymn is still in use in the liturgy of the Chaldean church. The pro-Chaldean identity advocates perceive this hymn as evidence of the presence of the Chaldean name in Mesopotamia long after the end of their empire. Chaldeans were also mentioned in the 10th Century. Ebn Al-Nadeem, who died in 999 A.D., mentioned the people of the city of Haran (present-day Turkey) in his book, Index, calling them "the Chaldeans. In 1222, the Pope sent a letter to Jerusalem's Patriarch to encourage him to convert the Nestorians back to Rome. A report stated that the request was resisted by Greek and Chaldeans seculars. This letter affirms the existence of the Chaldeans, even before joining Catholicism in 1445 and 1553. Fr. Anstas Al-Karmly, in his book, The History of Baghdad, states that Christians at the time of Mongolian Gazan Khan (1295-1303) faced ravages that no amount of ink could describe. Also, Yousif Ganima, in his book, Tour of the Yearned, mentioned the oppression that faced the Nestorians. They were forced to leave Baghdad, Basra, and all Iraqi towns, except Mosul and its surroundings. According to Ganima, the Nestorians took shelter in the mountains of Kurdistan and Persia. The Assyrian Argument and the Counter-argument Most Assyrian writers accept as fact the Assyrian identity or ethnicity. They believe that Chaldeans, Syriacs, and all Christians in Iraq and its neighboring countries are Assyrians, and try to impose an Assyrian identity upon all these groups. Their distractors accuse them of doing what Arab nationalists--including the Ba'thists--did to non-Arab minorities when they claim that minorities in the Arab world are Arabs, or of Arab origin. The Assyrians also argue that, because the Chaldean towns and villages in northern Iraq are close to Nineveh, the ancient Assyrian capital (Mousl), they must be Assyrians. Some Assyrian writers argue that, because the Assyrian reign was much longer than the Chaldean, those Aramaic-speaking people are Assyrians. These ideas are not shared by the Chaldeans and the Syriacs. Similarly, the counter-argument of many Chaldeans is that, because the Chaldeans defeated Assyrians, and were the last native Mesopotamians to rule, the Aramaic speakers of Mesopotamia are Chaldeans. Furthermore, Chaldeans, quoting some historians, indicate that ancient Assyrians were actually living in Babylon, in the Chaldean plain of Shinaar and that their roots were Babylonian. Therefore, they argue, Assyrians were not a separate ethnicity, but Mesopotamians. Accordingly, they were relocated and created their own region, which was called later Assyria. Some Assyrians challenge the existence of Chaldeans, even in history. Younadam Kanna, the General Secretary of the main Assyrian political party, the Assyrian Democratic Movement (ADM), and member of the Iraqi Parliament, challenged the existence of the Chaldeans. He stated "there is no single stone in Babylon bearing a Chaldean name except the Torah". Other Assyrian writers claim that Chaldeans were Assyrian tribes living in southern Mesopotamia. Uncovered documents found in 1973 in Nippur--located between Babylon and Uruk--revealed the words Chaldea and Chaldeans on their cuneiform tablets, dated about 700 B.C. In tablet number one [discovered?] by archeologist Steven Cole, there is a letter indicating that "wool could not be found in Chaldea." Tablet 21 reads "Whatever news (there is about) Chaldea, my lord should find out and write." The word Chaldea was mentioned seven times in various tablets discovered in this Nippur location. Regarding modern history, opponents of the Assyrian argument affirm that it was the Canterbury Church's delegates who gave the followers of the Nestorians' Patriarch, Mar Shimoun in Hakari and Uremia the name Assyrians. The Anglican missionaries promised them that the Assyrian name would win their national rights for them. The Anglican Missionaries began their mission among the East-Aramaic Nestorians in 1887-1890 and in 1890-1915, which was called The Archbishop of Canterbury's Assyrian Mission. Initially, it meant the Christians of the Geographical Assyria. These Christians of Assyria became known as Assyrian Christians or Christian Assyrians. MacLean, a missionary, was quoted as saying that "there is really, as far as I know, no proof that they had any connection with old Assyrians.... One of the few Anglicans who did use the term Assyrian was Benson, the Archbishop of Canterbury, but that is a fad of His Grace, as no one else." (36) Therefore, Assyrians are considered descendants of the ancient sect, the Nestorians.
I’m iraki, living in France. I only spoke arabic when i was 3 years old, and can’t speak it anymore. If any akkadian language still existed, i would directly learn akkadian. I don’t feel i’m arab, but akkadian 💪
As a proud assyrian, I am more than willing to put this absurd, European-constructed division behind me. I want my homeland to be re-born again. Why don't we all come together under one banner. We don't have to be called Assyrians, or Chaldeans, or Syriacs, for we are all united under the name "Atoorayeh"
The issue here is with "pride" and it's no wonder the Bible proclaims it as the biggest sin (even bigger than Lust, Wrath or Gluttony). Just like you are a proud assyrian. A chaldean or aramean will feel the same sense of pride for his culture and name. Once we let go of pride collectively we can start the unification process.
I’m of Chaldean Telkepnaya descent and I did a DNA test 3-4 yrs ago and latest results as follows (+/- 7%) : Caucasian - 50% Anatolia w the heaviest concentration in Armenia and Georgia. Levant - 40% mainly in Christian Lebanon The rest - south European (likely mixing w the Romans), Cyprus and Persian. Arab - zero percent (0%), most Arabs are good people. ALL my friends are getting back comparable results (Assyrian and Chaldean) ! Some refuse to do a DNA test, who wants to deal w this reality when it’s hammered into us of who we are or should be, just like their ancestors prior and unchanging X millennials.
Dear brothers, I would like to express my opinion on your "debate". I would like to specify that I am from Baghdida Iraq, and I am part of the Syriac Catholic Church. The problem our people are facing, no matter how you choose to define it, is a crisis due to our dispersion throughout the world. The real threat is that we are losing our language. Instead of bickering and going around in circles over a naming issue that will not advance anything, we should focus on our real problem. We must try to preserve our language and reintegrate the vocabulary and pronunciation symmetrically. We must get rid of words coming from foreign languages such as Arabic, Persian, Kurdish, English, French, and so on. We have the opportunity to prepare a more organized and methodical ground to unite us. Our unity will be our strength. The usual appellation of our people is as follows: people (آشوريون/سريان/كلدان). There is no problem with us having multiple appellations. Let's not underestimate any community of our people because we have all faced the same difficulties of persecution and forced immigration. Perhaps not directly for some of us, but certainly for our grandparents. I would like to specify that when Daesh terrorists arrived in our city in Dashta Dninveh, they were ready to massacre us, no matter how we called ourselves, Assyrian, Syriac, or Chaldean. Like the sun, which, despite having different forms, namely sphere, light, and heat, remains a single entity, we too, despite our appearances and appellations, can remain united. By adopting this vision, we can transcend our differences and unite in our fight to preserve our language, culture, and identity. Together, we are stronger. I would add one last thing to this, that you have likely grown up far from the Middle East(as me to), and therefore you may not necessarily realize the difficulties that our people overcome on a daily basis just to try to live as well as they can. The damnation of our people's appellation is the last thing they have to worry about.
Assyrian is an ethnicity, not religious. Assyrians adhere the Assyrian church of the east. Chaldeans (Assyrian Catholics) are ethnically Assyrian and adhere to the Roman Catholic Church. Modern day Chaldeans/Assyrians are genetically the same people, it’s all religious division.
The ancient Chaldeans seem to have migrated into Mesopotamia sometime between c. 940 and 860 BC, a century or so after other new Semitic arrivals, the Arameans and the Suteans, appeared in Babylonia, c. 1100 BC. According to Ran Zadok, they first appear in written record in cylinder inscriptions of the King of Mari Aššur-ketta-lēšir II (late 12th-early 11th century BC), which record them reaching Mesopotamia as early as the 11th century BC.[19] They later appear in the annals of the Assyrian king Shalmaneser III during the 850s BC. This was a period of weakness in Babylonia, and its ineffectual native kings were unable to prevent new waves of semi-nomadic foreign peoples from invading and settling in the land.[20] Though belonging to the same West Semitic speaking ethnic group and migrating from the same Levantine regions as the earlier arriving Aramaeans, they are to be differentiated; the Assyrian king Sennacherib, for example, carefully distinguishes them in his inscriptions. The Chaldeans were for a time able to keep their identity despite the dominant native Assyro-Babylonian (Sumero-Akkadian-derived) culture although, as was the case for the earlier Amorites, Kassites and Suteans before them, by the time Babylon fell in 539 BC, perhaps before, the Chaldeans ceased to exist as a specific ethnic group.
Beginning with the second century A.D., Christianity flourished in Mesopotamia among the descendents of the two great and ancient empires of Chaldea and Assyria. Once they were baptized, both nations preferred the name Christian to their old national names. The Church was simply called the Church of the East. These people were gradually converted through the missions of St. Thomas, St. Addi, and St. Mari. Most of Iraq remained Christian until the advance of Islam in the mid 7th Century A.D. In time, Islam became the religion of the majority of Mesopotamians. Some Assyrians believe that, with the exception of the Assyrians, all original people of Iraq disappeared or were dissolved. They claim that there were no Chaldeans left, nor were their names used prior to the split of the Church of the East in 1553. Furthermore, they claim that there is no relationship between today's Chaldeans and those of antiquity. Herodotus, in his History of Persian War, Ch. VII, p. 63, (C. 430 B.C.), acknowledged that the Assyrians went to war with helmets, "This people, whom the Hellenes call Syrians are called Assyrians by the Barbarians." He also stated that the Chaldeans served in their ranks. The last statement is usually omitted by Assyrians who want to negate the Chaldean name. Moreover, the Chaldeans were mentioned by the Greek historian Xenophone. Xenophone marked in his book, Anabas, Book IV, Chapter III (401 B.C.), details about the passage of the Greek Battalion in the Nineveh area while returning from Persia to Greece. He affirmed that the Greek faced armed groups made of Chaldeans, Armenians, and Mardenians. He also described Chaldeans as "men of war, more than any other people." This statement confirms that Chaldeans had a strong presence in Assyria. A hymn written by Mar Marotha at the time of Persian oppression of Christians in Mesopotamia in the 4 th Century A.D. reads, "An order was issued to kill innocent martyrs by sword, the Chaldeans were surprised and they raised their finger toward the sky". This hymn is still in use in the liturgy of the Chaldean church. The pro-Chaldean identity advocates perceive this hymn as evidence of the presence of the Chaldean name in Mesopotamia long after the end of their empire. Chaldeans were also mentioned in the 10th Century. Ebn Al-Nadeem, who died in 999 A.D., mentioned the people of the city of Haran (present-day Turkey) in his book, Index, calling them "the Chaldeans. In 1222, the Pope sent a letter to Jerusalem's Patriarch to encourage him to convert the Nestorians back to Rome. A report stated that the request was resisted by Greek and Chaldeans seculars. This letter affirms the existence of the Chaldeans, even before joining Catholicism in 1445 and 1553. Fr. Anstas Al-Karmly, in his book, The History of Baghdad, states that Christians at the time of Mongolian Gazan Khan (1295-1303) faced ravages that no amount of ink could describe. Also, Yousif Ganima, in his book, Tour of the Yearned, mentioned the oppression that faced the Nestorians. They were forced to leave Baghdad, Basra, and all Iraqi towns, except Mosul and its surroundings. According to Ganima, the Nestorians took shelter in the mountains of Kurdistan and Persia. The Assyrian Argument and the Counter-argument Most Assyrian writers accept as fact the Assyrian identity or ethnicity. They believe that Chaldeans, Syriacs, and all Christians in Iraq and its neighboring countries are Assyrians, and try to impose an Assyrian identity upon all these groups. Their distractors accuse them of doing what Arab nationalists--including the Ba'thists--did to non-Arab minorities when they claim that minorities in the Arab world are Arabs, or of Arab origin. The Assyrians also argue that, because the Chaldean towns and villages in northern Iraq are close to Nineveh, the ancient Assyrian capital (Mousl), they must be Assyrians. Some Assyrian writers argue that, because the Assyrian reign was much longer than the Chaldean, those Aramaic-speaking people are Assyrians. These ideas are not shared by the Chaldeans and the Syriacs. Similarly, the counter-argument of many Chaldeans is that, because the Chaldeans defeated Assyrians, and were the last native Mesopotamians to rule, the Aramaic speakers of Mesopotamia are Chaldeans. Furthermore, Chaldeans, quoting some historians, indicate that ancient Assyrians were actually living in Babylon, in the Chaldean plain of Shinaar and that their roots were Babylonian. Therefore, they argue, Assyrians were not a separate ethnicity, but Mesopotamians. Accordingly, they were relocated and created their own region, which was called later Assyria. Some Assyrians challenge the existence of Chaldeans, even in history. Younadam Kanna, the General Secretary of the main Assyrian political party, the Assyrian Democratic Movement (ADM), and member of the Iraqi Parliament, challenged the existence of the Chaldeans. He stated "there is no single stone in Babylon bearing a Chaldean name except the Torah". Other Assyrian writers claim that Chaldeans were Assyrian tribes living in southern Mesopotamia. Uncovered documents found in 1973 in Nippur--located between Babylon and Uruk--revealed the words Chaldea and Chaldeans on their cuneiform tablets, dated about 700 B.C. In tablet number one [discovered?] by archeologist Steven Cole, there is a letter indicating that "wool could not be found in Chaldea." Tablet 21 reads "Whatever news (there is about) Chaldea, my lord should find out and write." The word Chaldea was mentioned seven times in various tablets discovered in this Nippur location. Regarding modern history, opponents of the Assyrian argument affirm that it was the Canterbury Church's delegates who gave the followers of the Nestorians' Patriarch, Mar Shimoun in Hakari and Uremia the name Assyrians. The Anglican missionaries promised them that the Assyrian name would win their national rights for them. The Anglican Missionaries began their mission among the East-Aramaic Nestorians in 1887-1890 and in 1890-1915, which was called The Archbishop of Canterbury's Assyrian Mission. Initially, it meant the Christians of the Geographical Assyria. These Christians of Assyria became known as Assyrian Christians or Christian Assyrians. MacLean, a missionary, was quoted as saying that "there is really, as far as I know, no proof that they had any connection with old Assyrians.... One of the few Anglicans who did use the term Assyrian was Benson, the Archbishop of Canterbury, but that is a fad of His Grace, as no one else." (36) Therefore, Assyrians are considered descendants of the ancient sect, the Nestorians.
@BernadetteIchou-r6z Ur of the Chaldees (or Chaldeans) was a place in Mesopotamia and is mentioned four times in the Old Testament: Genesis 11:28 says that Haran (Abram’s brother and Lot’s father) died in Ur of the Chaldees, “the land of his birth.” Genesis 11:31 says that Abram left Ur of the Chaldees and moved to Canaan. Chapter 12 goes on to explain that this move was the result of God’s call to Abram to leave his home and move to a new land that God would one day give to his descendants. In Genesis 15:7, God identifies Himself to Abram: “I am the LORD, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to take possession of it.” In Nehemiah 9 the Israelites confess their sins and recount the history of Israel: “You are the LORD God, who chose Abram and brought him out of Ur of the Chaldeans and named him Abraham” (verse 7). Ur may have been a city, and there have been many sites suggested as the location of Ur, but no theory is definitive. The site that is most commonly suggested is a city on the Euphrates River, about 150 miles northwest of the Persian Gulf. The Septuagint (an Ancient Greek translation of the Old Testament) simply calls Ur of the Chaldees the “land of the Chaldees,” and in the New Testament Stephen, reviewing the history of Israel, says that Abraham came out of “land of the Chaldeans” (Acts 7:4). Many scholars believe that Ur is not the name of a city but simply a word that means “land.” If this is the case, then Ur of the Chaldees is simply the land of the Chaldees. Chaldea was in the area known as the Fertile Crescent. Depending upon the time period, the territory of the Chaldeans varied, but it would have included the lower part of the Fertile Crescent, extending from the upper edge of the Persian Gulf northwest to the area of the city of Babylon. The Chaldeans ruled Babylon for a while. The exact boundaries of their territory are not clear. The point of the story is that God called Abram out of an area of civilization and prosperity. Ur of the Chaldees, the place where he lived, would have had ample water and land for pasturing and would have been active with commerce. It was “the place” to be. God called him away from that to a place that was unknown to him. Abram would probably have had a hard time imagining any place better than the place where he already was. But Abram believed the promises of God, and God credited that faith to him as righteousness (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:3). History has been filled with pioneers who have left civilization to seek a better life, but usually these people have been in dire straits, desperate for something better. They left a bad situation knowing that, even though there would be dangers and hardships, they could have something better in the end. Abram’s situation seems to have been the opposite. He lived in a prosperous civilization among his family, who appears to have been wealthy. He walked away from it all, simply trusting that God was going to give him something better, even though he would be a stranger in a strange land and would not see the fulfillment of God’s promises in his lifetime. Is the Bible enough for you as sources? What an idiot!!
@BernadetteIchou-r6z The first split for the two groups came in 431, when they broke away from what was to become the Roman Catholic church over a theological dispute. And separating religion from the Assyrian-Chaldean debate even now is all but impossible. During the 6th century the Assyrian Church was torn by a long schism (521 or 522-37 or 539), a violent persecution (540-545) under Chosroes (Khusro) I (531-79), and by various ecclesiastical scandals. The Chaldean Church shares roots with the Assyrian Church, as both churches composed the “The Church of the East[1]” before the fifteenth century. The Chaldean Church split from the Assyrian Church of the East in 1552[2] after they had lived together the bitterness of another division that struck Christianity in 431 during the Council of Ephesus[3]. The Chaldean section of the Church of the East elected the monk Yohannan Sulaqa, who was the abbot of Rabban Hormizd Monastry, as Patriarch of the Chaldean Church. Accordingly, he travelled to the Holy See and pledged before him to formally join the Roman Catholic Church. On March 20,1552, Pope Julius III decided to declare Yohanna Solaq a Patriarch. On April 9th of the same year, he was ordained a bishop and assumed office. Meanwhile, the Church of the East has known two patriarchs, one of whom is based in the city of Al-Qosh in northern Iraq and the other patriarch was papal and based in Diyarbakir in southeastern Turkey.
Sounds like the dilemma of the South Slavic people which are now mostly divided by religion rather than culture (although their religions do influence their cultures) - they all speak the language and had mostly the same culture outside the faith markers but issues arise that create a new identity. I think we can call it "Assyr-Chaldean" like we have the term "Serbo-Croatian", where they may identify differently it is undeniable how similar they are (like how Anglophone Canadians are to Americans IMO).
Why did you adopt Kabbalah AKA Roman Catholic traditions over the Protestant type of Christianity in the North? I’m not referring to Lutheranism, I’m referring to Baptist type of Biblical Christianity.
As a Aramean we are one people as Mesopotamians not as Assyrians, Arameans or Chaldeans us 3 had our own kingdoms and empires so dont try claiming others history because thats something dumb to do, To claim others history to get bigger attention when we have our own thats strong and us 3 had our prime
I ain't either. But grew up with one of the largest Assyrian/Chaldean diaspora in the western world. Fairfield has the highest number of Assyrian and Chaldean population anywhere in Australia. Dunno how it is over in the states but the Assyrian/Chaldean community is very united here. Basima Raba azeeza/khoni 🙂
Hello to everyone. I realllllllly want to learn Chaldean Aramaic. I bought books but have NO ONE to talk to. Drop a line if you want to help! I'm American, but love languages.
Good conversation to have. The whole problem started at 19 century when British and French took over of south of Turkey and sent their missionaries to the region. Original Assyrians who their priests calling them Caldean need to take action. Stop speaking Arabic Islamic language. Start teaching their children Assyrian language. Use Assyrian names not French or Arab names . If there's any hope for our nation it will come all together . We need nationalism in our catholic brothers and sisters in order to live free from any other nation. Tired of seeing our people killed by Muslims.
the chaldeans and assyrians are ethnically the same people now and they are both successors of the sumerian, akkadian, and old babylonian empires. the chaldean empire is a synonym of the neo-babylonian empire that conquered and succeeded the assyrian empire. the common thing among modern assyrians and chaldeans are that they are both christians. the assyrians are generally members of the church of the east that broke off from rome after the council of constantinople in 381, while chaldeans are simply fully catholics who have their own patriarch in communion with rome, just like the maronite catholics or melkite catholics, armenian catholics, or the st. thomas catholics of india. the term chaldean was simply a term granted by rome to differentiate the catholics from the christians of the church of the east. the chaldeans however are much much larger than the church of the east in terms of number. it is simply a matter of semantics in terms of ethnic identification but they both represent the oldest civilization in the world and they represent christian iraq before it was overtaken by the arabs in the 7th century AD. if both of assyrians and chaldeans could identify themselves ethnically sumerians or akkadians perhaps it might help but they are referring to the same people, the iraqi christians, just different loyalties: one is catholic, the other is church of the east. may the Lord Jesus Christ bless and keep the christians of the middle east close to His heart.
Well, a chaldean saying "i didnt know what assyrians were" is like americans saying they dont know what mexicans are, or swedish people saying they dont know what norwegians are, so what do you mean? You never heard anyone in your family say the word Atornaye? Because thats the chaldean word for Assyrians. Only way you dont know this is if you dont speak your own language, which i can understand i have siblings who dont either
@PalestinianSam313 Hello brother. I'm from northern Israel. We have many Christians and Arabs here, and they are good people, so I have no reason to assume you aren't as well. Where would you place yourself politically? Because Hamas has a majority in the PLC. Do you feel Christians are treated fairly and represented fairly in the Palestinian government? What would you do if you were in charge?
@@ForeverRepublicwell khoni I don’t affiliate myself with politics because man isn’t capable of giving us eternal life. I can only rely on God who us Assyrians call Yah Alaha. There’s not much I could do even if I was in charge because the Bible prophecy tells us that there will be corruption and destruction in the holy land until the return of our Messiah. I weep for the inflicted families and I can only pray for peace despite knowing the prophecy.
The Assyrians are the which has many I am also Assyrian, and I'm tired of the division that was brought upon Us by the colonial English who left us in world war I to be genocide we killed
After the invasion of Iraq by George w he killed 1 million Assyrians and Arabs. They were rougher on us than any other country they bombed 24-hour B-52 heavy bombs 2 tons each 24 hours a day 7 days a week they pounded the Iraqi infrastructure from top to bottom they left people with no water no food no communication they destroyed hospitals Bridges they killed the power department the power generators that run on oil forever because our oil is unlimited and George w bush got a hard-on when he heard that he heard that Iraq had the largest oil reserve in the entire world combined doesn't have enough oil to reach how much oil Iraq has so of course we're going to go in there after 9:11 but wait a minute saddamn was terrorists killer. So Saddam was a terrorist killer. Why did the white man destroy the entire because they know there's trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars under the Iraqi soil not crude oil the good oil the one with the best they call a 24-karat gold because it has all the minerals needed to supply our new technologies they all come from oil based plastics, Iraq has 24 oil and they don't even it's the best in the world and they can't find the bottom to it that's how much oil is under if you think Saudi Arabia oil, then George w there's an unlimited supply of pure 24-karat gold oil underneath Iraq and we don't know how much is there there could be enough to last an eternity that's how far the wells go down in Iraq. Before the white man turned Iraq into a week country so the could use and everything they wqnt in Iraq, we are all Assyrians and our people were divided by the British .us that are in America should leave all are Assyrian is the I'm an Assyrian activist.we were separated by colonizers to divide is and take our country it's time for all of us to reunite and stand together once amd for all ,forget the tribes , we're losing people left and right to the city of the state of Arizona in the state Texas until then we are under the thumb of the Polish Mafia police the chief is Polish 80% of their department is Polish half of their fire department is Polish and they're over the age of 40 you tell me how somebody over the age of 45 can get a job as a cop right now this second when there are Marines and special forces begging to be police our chief Polanski Christopher Pulinaki chooses to hire 50-year-old polish speaking polish officers 90% of the Skokie Police services with the highest paying jobs go to Polish people and I have the proof I got over 200 minutes of them breaking down the Syrian preventing us from going to Dunkin donuts at late night that they're going to give us tickets unless we obey which we did not obey and we can continue to go to Dunkin donuts and drink coffee and eat donuts all night long from 12 a.m to five am just to piss him off and show them that we're not scared of them one bit will stand tall we will stand with our shoulders back and we will stand as the militants that we are we're born as military men and we will die as military men I hope your father taught you what it is to be a man and to stand up for yourself I just hope that is because I don't know how fathers are raising their kids anymore seems like you tell them not to throw the first punch that's the way you want to fight well that's not how you want to f****** fight that's how you get your ass whipped by letting someone else take a free shot at you what if that free shot at you hit you right on the chin and you get knocked out and you fall and you hit your head on a piece of metal and you always throw the first punch I'm Assyrian I'm going to follow you you follow me back I like some of the things you're saying
Now let this blow your mind, hundreds of thousands of Jews from your lands moved to Israel around 75 years ago, but they are called Kurdish Jews, which is funny because they don't even speak Kurdish, they speak (spoke) Aramaic, or Jewish Assyrian Aramaic. Unfortunately for this conversation, no Jews really live in Assyrian regions anymore as they have almost all returned to their true ancient homeland of the Land of Israel. You might find it interesting that Israel is (since 2014) the only country in the world to allow people to identify as Aramean, as opposed to the "Christian Arab" identity that has been forced on them for so long.
In Michigan it’s Chaldeans at least growing up that’s what they self id as it was before the internet so I assumed there was a country somewhere called Chaldea
Let me add something to you young guys , I love you guys first of all , the Chaldean are the smart Assyrians ,the ancient Assyrian kings used to select the smartest student and send them to Babylon to get involved in the science of astronomy, that’s where the word Chaldean came which means (باحثون) or researchers, and astronomy was the science of the age that’s around the time when the 3 kings from Persia saw the star of the Lord and came to Israel and saw the baby Jesus and offered him gifts
Impressed that we have Assyrians educating folks about my people.
They are def not educating anyone . They going off nothing factual . I can pull the Bible and show you through genealogy that we are Chaldean and not Assyrian .
Athuri and Chaldani were brothers and both great grand children of Noah. Prove me wrong
There is absolutely no “ethnicity” of Chaldean. There is so much disinformation about this topic which is unfortunate. I am a genetic researcher and I can assure you 100% that all Chaldeans are Assyrians by ethnicity. Multiple DNA tests prove this. Chaldean is only a religious designation for Assyrians who adhere to the Catholic faith.
@@rizzyroyce_ Can you show me Chaldean national figures from the past 100 years? National, not church related.
@@edoh497 I can show you the word of God . If that’s not valid enough for you your lost in life
With so many of us living in diaspora, scattered around the world, a conversation around similarities and unification becomes even more important.
Cant because of Church and even if you go prior to christianity, they were split of different Sumerian and Akkadian gods - unless Assyrians can be secular like Kurds and Jews and have the churches serve the Assyrian state.
@@icysaracen3054you can unite under an ethnic identity and not under a christian denomination
totally agree. Open discussion and politeness opens up doors and new viewpoints. Assyrians and Chaldeans working together.
Love from a Maronite descendant!!! 🇱🇧
Great clip. Keep up the great work 💪🏼
Syriacs, Assyrians and Chaldeans are descendants of the ancient Assyrians of the Assyrian empire. We are all one people genetically
No. Among you are armenians, turks, kurds, arabs, jews, iranians, scythians, europeans - via arab slavery (look at the whiteness of your women). It's not a good or bad thing. It's simply obvious and historical accurate. Mesopotamian people, like many other people in the empires crossroads, are heavily mixed.
As an American with 100% Jewish DNA, I am fascinated by the Assyrian people and your struggle for recognition! It reminds me so much of Jews and Palestinians. DNA evidence shows that Jews and Palestinians are *the same people*.
I find it fascinating to see a similar story where a people from the same genetic roots can come to view each other as totally different!
We all need to the wake up to the truth that we all share ancestors and all have a desire for a good life!
@@bogdanpstDNA tests show that modern day Assyrians/Chaldeans have the highest percentage of Mesopotamian origin than all those ethnicities you’ve listed. I don’t understand the “whiteness” you’re arguing about? Mesopotamian people are apart of the Caucasian race which is pale/olive/brown skin. if there was any slave trade going on DNA tests would show it but it doesn’t; stop spreading false info.
@@Dre1_, look at those nordids among assyrians of today.
@@bogdanpst what are you even talking about? Pale skin doesn’t originate in fucking Europe dude, Assyrians/Chaldeans are apart of the Caucasian race…
Great videos brothers. The problem that I see is that most Chaldeans of today believe that they can trace back to the ancient Chaldeans of Babylon but those guys were actually a group of nomads called the Kassistes that ruled over Babylon. As everyone knows the Chaldeans of today are Catholic Assyrians.
Go be a troll somewhere else lmaoo@jj-yi1ne
As a Chaldean-Assyrian myself, I loved this clip and its contents. I've just subscribed. Great work brother, keep it up.
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Support to Assyrians from a Moroccan 🇲🇦
Support your own berbers
@@Kunta-Kinte002 I am a berber.
@@canelo1728 ifulki
May Allah guide you and guide all of us to the right path which is Islam. I was also a Catholic Arab then I read the Quran and as an Arab, there is no way any of us Arabs could ever disagree with the Quran. You don't have to reply to this, I am half Moroccan who grew up with my catholic mother and she did everything to make me one, but I also self taught myself Arabic and read the Quran and I hope you all do.
@@Kunta-Kinte002 you played yourself. lol
Love the content and conversation gentlemen. Keep up the amazing work!
I was always fascinated by the Assyrian language. This convo was quite interesting to watch
as a armenian, this video is fascinating. ironically genetic studies have concluded that armenians and assyrians most likely came from the same group or tribe of people in pre-history. 15,000-25,000 years ago. who knows if that’s correct.
I've also heard similar, that Armenians and Assyrians are closest to each other genetically.
We are family with 2 different languages.
Assyrians and Armenians are cousins. Is in the bible.
Ассирийцы и Армяне братья во Христе, и близки друг другу как древние народы, но все же разные народы и генетика разная, но ассирийцы из Армении очень ассимилировпны с армянами вот в их случае можно говорить о сходсиве генетики, а так все же разные мы, но повторюсь очень близкие народы везде.
Those are only the assimilated Armenians, the Armenian haplogroup is R1b1 a2a but because of admixture and assimilation some do share common DNA.
You guys are awesome!
I've always been told that Chaldeans are of Babylonian origin meaning south of Iraq, and Assyrians of course being of Northern Iraq.
And religion has nothing to do with it. There are Assyrians who are Catholic as well as Chaldean Catholics.
The ancient Chaldeans/Assyrians yes. Modern day “Chaldeans” have origins in northern Iraq because they are Assyrians who converted to the Catholic Church and for some reason the pope called all Assyrian Catholics “Chaldean”. This division started in the 16th century AD, before that all Assyrians were united. This is how our people kept our identity through a millennia and went through arab conquests, etc. still managing to keep our identity.
You guys are amazing 👏👏👏👏👏
This is always in my prayers UNTIY for our NATION Assyrian 🙏🙏🙏🙏
This is a brilliant conversation, I'm proud of you both for doing this. It's also really saddening to hear Paul hadn't even heard of Assyrians until he was in 8th grade... this needs to change within the Chaldean community. It's truly unfortunate that Chaldeans have been given false information for generations now. I know the history and why it's complex but like Paul, they need to reclaim their true ethnicity- it's essential to our survival of our people. Regarding the live debate- I think it would be embarrassing to the Chaldean debater as an Assyriologist will be able to debunk their belief very easily. I don't think it's about the info- it's like Emmanuel said- it's about not being willing to hear the facts and accept them. Again, it's complex but necessary that Chaldeans are educated correctly.
It's also on us as people of the Church of the East to not be sectarian to Chaldean Assyrians and make fun of them if they say they're Chaldean.
Sadly, Pauls story is not an uncommon thing. I went through a very similar experience, although I didn’t even learn until much later than he did. In reality, it’s not even about being “given false information for generations” at all. Chaldeans in communities like Michigan and California grow up identifying as “Chaldean” in English, and even calling the language “Chaldean”. The reason for this is not because they reject Assyrian identity, or because they believe they descend from the ancient Chaldeans, or because they adhere to the whole separatist “we wuz Babylonian” bs, or because they were given wrong information. For the most part, they are just raised that way. The vast majority don’t even know much about what’s going on. Ask them about our history and they wouldn’t be able to tell you really anything, honestly. Ask them where they’re from, and they’ll just say the name of the country that their family is from-as if we don’t have our own homeland. Ask them if they know about this whole “name debate”, or Assyrian nationalism, or Chaldean sectarianism/separatism, and most won’t even know what you’re talking about. These things are basically unheard of. I don’t know how else to describe it other than poor education, apathy, and especially unawareness. I believe the main reason our elders identified themselves as “Chaldeans” when moving to these diaspora communities is because they are Chaldeans in an ecclesiastical/denominational sense, which isn’t inaccurate. The name Chaldean is indeed inaccurate for sure, but it is unfortunately the official name of the church, whether we like it or not. So if it’s in that context, they weren’t wrong. It’s like how Maronites would identify as such due to being members of the Maronite Church. It just makes it somewhat easier ig. I’ve heard that when Chaldeans first went to Michigan, many of them initially identified with their village/tribe, so there was a bunch of Telkepnaye/Telkeffis for example. When they were still in the homeland (prior to becoming diaspora), they mostly only called themselves Suraye. Due to the demographic environment in the homeland where we are the Christians and everyone else is Muslim or non-Christian, Suraye became almost synonymous with Christian (Mshihaya). What a lot of people don’t understand is that yes, the word Suraye has been used to mean Christian for a while now, but this doesn’t mean it entirely lost its other connotations. To give an example, many of the older people in my family have told me that the word Suraya means Christian. At the same time, i’ve only ever seen them refer to our people specifically by this name. If it just meant Christian and that’s it, we would be calling Christians of any ethnic/national background as Suraye-but we don’t. This demonstrates that it hasn’t lost its ethnic/national connotation completely. Another connotation it carries is for those who speak our language. I must mention that Suraye means Assyrians. Regardless of how one uses the word, it means Assyrians. Period. Some will argue that it means “Syrians/Syriacs” instead, but this is a poor argument. We know where those words come from. We know their etymology and what/who the original use of them was for. Archeological inscriptions and bunch of other evidence confirms this. Back to the topic now. Therefore, when they moved to these new communities, they weren’t really sure of how to identify themselves properly. This of course is due to the reasons I mentioned above, as well as the effects of the Ottoman millet system. In the Middle East and in our homeland, ethnic/national identity lost its important for a long time and most (especially our people) were most commonly known by our religious/denominational names. I could go into much more detail about the denial of Assyrian identity following the Assyrian genocide and Simele massacre and the major role they played in this, but my comment is already long and I doubt anyone will read, + i’m sure you already know.
As for the debate they hope to do, Assyrians will undoubtedly easily prove that Chaldeans are Assyrians. I don’t know what the Chaldean side would have to offer. Back when our name on the US census was being changed from Assyrian to what it is now, they didn’t seem to have any strong argument or claims to justify separating Assyrians from Chaldeans, or for changing the name from Assyrian to “Assyrian/Chaldean” or “Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac”. The US Census Bureau seemed biased in my opinion and was ready to easily and quickly change the name and back the Chaldeans in regards to the name change, possibly saw it as an east way to further divide us and weaken our movement/identity. They said things like “Our research has concluded that Chaldeans represent a unique ethnic group, and that Syriac is also an acceptable ethnic indicator” but provided no evidence to back it. What research are they talking about exactly? I don’t think it’s possible for anyone who has really done research into our history and identity to come to such ridiculous and laughable conclusion. I guess we will have to wait and see if this ever happens and who argues for the Chaldean side. All they seem to have is a bunch of wannabe-historian hateful old men on platforms and groups like Facebook where they spam the same misleading images and sources everywhere in their hilarious attempts to prove that Assyrians are actually just “Chaldean Nestorians from Hakkari and Urmia” lmao, but I won’t even go into that right now.
@@assyrianchad Bro, I think this is the longest YT comment I've ever read 😂 It was worth it though. Thanks for going into great detail about your experience and conclusion on this topic. It's complex indeed and so varied just as we are as a people in diaspora. I can agree with you in saying that calling us Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac is silly yet I can see why Assyrian organizations have adopted this. I get that it's a quick way to 'unite' us but I hope continuing our efforts to educate new generations to identify as 'Assyrian' doesn't fall to the wayside. As our population continues to dwindle we should focus even more on unification. 🙏🏽
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Well said ❤
@@assyrianchadwhat a beautiful observation I’m a “Chaldean” and I do think you are right “Chaldeans” are Assyrians and we are all descendants of the people who are descendants of Assyrians…… it’s like us Assyrians claiming Iraq it’s quite asinine however I will claim Assyrian
The interviewer is very well spoken and elegant.
Great video, thank you
Great job guys
I am a Latin Catholic that attends the TLM. I just recently went to my first Maronite Liturgy, I loved it. The area I live in have no Assyrian communities, but we do have the Indian Syro-Malabar here. I hope to attend a Chaldean, Assyrian, or Syriac Liturgy someday.
God Bless you all. Ave Maria. Ave Christus Rex.
We really need to have a huge meeting about this infected name debate among our people, im a assyrian-syriac who lives in sweden and i really hope we can overcome this issue and unite under the assyrian name once and for all and even get our independence and country back.
I agree that much of the problems we face. Are from within and has its origin in historical pride and ego. Which is a sin in its self. Pride is the devils sin and it is the sin that seperated him from God and heaven. And this sin (pride) has like the devil. Seperated us from each other. And created division and seperation.
I hope you guys make a follow up on this topic and have similar topics like this and even broadcast that debate/meeting and post it online.
Push'b Shlomo akhoni.
I like hearing the prospective of this topic from Assyrian's born in the diaspora, very interesting indeed. 😃
Your idea is great if I may suggest a person very qualified to shed light on this topic, and that would be Dr. Nicholas Al-Jeloo.
It doesn't necessarily need to be a debate for the people to understand how we're all one ethnicity they just need to hear him explain it.
I don’t know if they’d be able to get many of the people we hope for, but i’d say that some other people who are qualified to speak on this and engage in this type of discussion would be Sargon Donabed, Ephrem Yildiz, Naures Atto, Joseph Yacoub, Hannibal Travis, Simo Parpola, Alda Benjamin, ofc Nicholas Al-Jeloo and so on.
Great video, interesting topic!
-your caucasian friend
This isn’t a debate this is two people with the exact same opinion agreeing with eachother
That's 💯 true LOL they need to be properly educated on history just a joke
They never said this a debate idk what you on
im assyrian my wife is assyrian of chaledean catholic church... we are suraye assuraye soroye all the same.
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So how are Chaldeans so different from Assyrians when they only started leaving the Church of the East in large numbers starting in 1830?
How are they “so different”? They have the same culture, same DNA, same food, same last names, same language etc. only difference is dialect depending on the region/city they grew up in.
I'm Chaldean from Türkiye 🇹🇷
try getting an Assyrian, Aramean and Chaldean to debate it out, sounds like a great idea
As an Aramean, I truly hope we can experience the day of unification
any debate is foolishness
@@jamesr.g.2320 no but to find common ground
@@eyoo369 i agree
@@eyoo369 I have a question. Too many times I learnt that the aramean language was a common language in the Middle East, but exactly where it is located your home nation? It is in Palestine, Jordania, Syria, Lebanon or Iraq?
Very good topic
Nice video. As a Chaldean who is involved with the Church, I struggle to understand the actual basis of our ethnicity being either Chaldean or Assyrian. I know that we are the same Nestorian people who lived together under one Church, who were all united in Christ. I know when the split occurred sometime around the year 1551, some Nestorians joined the Catholic Church and were called the Chaldean Catholic Church under the Patriarchate of Babylon. I know as people who come from Bet Nahrain, we are geographically in the Mesopotamian region. What I truly struggle with is the claim to be the original Chaldeans, Assyrians, or Babylonians from the biblical era. How can we claim this? How do we make this into an identity with authority or basis? Can we truly call ourselves the descendants of Abraham of Ur? I still seek the truth out to this day and I think there are issues with both sides of the Assyrian-Chaldean debate. And to be honest, when you look at the culture, the language, the people, the Churches, and the region, there is no denying we are all the same people. In the end, my examination of this is that when we were all united under the same umbrella of Christ and in complete communion with one another, we truly were a united people. Our Church, the Church of the East, our father Thomas the Apostle, Mar Addai and Mar Mari, Mar Ephrem, all of these early church fathers are just shaking their heads at us, allowing ourselves to be divided, and over what? A name? I find it silly and repugnant that we do this to ourselves. I pray that God grants us the strength and leadership needed to unite our communities and come together again as one people. We are all one family, and anyone who fails to see that is allowing the devil to control their sense of pride. That is my stance. One thing I like to reference is the story of the Tower of Babel. The Babylonians wanted to attain worldly dominance, and God humbled them by confusing their language and dispersing the people over all the earth. The same thing has come upon our modern people, the same people we claim to originate from. A funny thing in my book of humor. I hope for unity in all of the Assyrian, Chaldean and Syriac people and I pray that Maran Esho blesses us all and brings unity to our communities. God Bless you all, and thank you for reading my paragraph.
Being Assyrian is based on the fact that we live in historical Assyria (North Mesopotamia). We also speak and call our language Assyrian, the name Sureth which is derived from Ashureth. We also call ourselves Suraye which is derived from the word Ashuraye.
So many of us have these types of conversations but we're so separated and we think it's only our small group that discusses these things about assyrians but no trust me in a house in USA or Sweden or Australia or Germany these conversations are happening everywhere we just don't know how to connect on a large scale to properly discuss things and make moves
As a mexican christian, i find it very interesting
In my opinion we are a divided people not at our own doing, but at the influence and manipulation of much greater powers who understand "as one voice and one people’ we are the indigenous people of an area that has valuable natural resources (oil). As any indigenous people of an area we too should be awarded rights and benefits from the sale of these riches or at a minimum given autonomy over our ancestral monuments and densely populated areas. It’s just that we’ve been swayed into divide for so long we believe we are not one. It’s encouraging to see the young generation question beyond these senseless divides and voice our similarities. The more we communicate with each other and come together in thought the better our future will be.
Finally, I get a chance to learn something about this Assyrian-Chaldean confusion.
Your ancestors had a big empire in the distant past.
I am of Croatian ethnicity (yes, I am writing under a fake name).
All the best boys.
Greetings from Sydney, Australia.
We are assyrian ! We are one ! My DNA test PROVES I’m 100% assyrian from Nineveh iraq ! Long live Assyria and king ashur !
Why did you abandon your ancestral gods for a foreign jewish Israelite god?
@@icysaracen3054 wth?! The pagan gods were evil demanding human sacrifices… Jesus Christ is lord, and Assyrians have a connection with Christianity, Jesus spoke Aramaic, assyrian are in the Bible also.
Evil gods????? Ahhhhahh strange thing Is that civilization came from everywhere ....but not from tanach yahweh....
If youre chaldean youre not assyrian
@@sweetgal7644 there's genetic continuity from modern middleasterns tò ancient people and civilization of middle east
Great video..I think we need to educate the young more so that can come to the realisation that Assyrians and Chaldeans are genetically the same people split on different religious and dialect lines..my dads family for instance are Assyrian Catholic from Iran. My understanding is the word Chaldean was designated to Catholic Assyrians by Pope Eugenius IV to distinguish them from the Assyrians of the Church of the East.
I’m Chaldean. My family refuses to say arab! We are Chaldean! Please make a video about it! This is so interesting!
Im full Assyrian my parents are from Iran, all my family is from Iran except my grandmother whose family were Assyrians from Russia. I was born and raised in England with family in America, Australia, Iran, Turkey, Germany. I know the basics of our history from my family and we speak our language and keep some aspects of our culture, food and religion but I appreciate informative talks like this on the intricacies because in England most people have no idea what Assyrian means they assume I mean Syrian. It’s difficult to feel like you have your head around it when there is no real consensus on many aspects though and various differing opinions.
ur grandmother wasnt from Russia she moved there she came from a descent of assyrians that r originally from the land called ashur in the ancient times but then at some point was changed to the name Assyria after ashur died she moved to Russia when assyrians were killed by Arabs and exiled out of there land when they got kicked out of there land by Arabs they were getting killed so they were basically forced out alot of assyrians ended up moving to Iran, Lebanon, Egypt, and most of them went to Iraq and Assyria got turned into north Iraq
@@ritaa1359 Yes, that’s right her family moved to Russia and the families of my other grandparents moved to Iran. Thankyou ☺️
One blood one nation. Outsiders put the division in. Catholic or church of the east. We are all the same
Found this conversation fascinating. The only famous Assyrian I know is Beneil Dariush, fan of his in the UFC
I feel like I could help in this discussion as a Chaldean-Assyrian and President of the Assyrian American Bar Association
why are you identifying as "chaldean assyrian" in the first place?
You’re already disqualified 😁
Would need nothing more than to unite for better of all. 🙏
You guys should reach out to Shak Hanish who is a PHD In philosophy who has a great peer reviewed article about the Chaldean Assyria ethnic identify problem
So are Levantine Christians whos ancestors spoke western Aramaic also are "assyrians"? I know they've been arabized quite a bit but technically "Assyrian" in todays terms is referring to the eastern Aramaic people. But there was also a western people who largely lost their language and identity due to Arabization.
Levantine Christians are their own thing. They mostly descend from Arameans, an Levantine group originating in modern-day Syria roughly, and Canaanites
Why don’t Chaldeans have Assyrian names like Sargon Ashur or Ninos
This is false, I’m Chaldean and one of my cousins name is Ninos. Also, our last names are the same, Assyrian/Chaldean doesn’t matter cause we’re the same people
I’m Chaldean but those names are corny. I prefer Hebrew names of the Bible which have much more meaning in connection to The Most High Yah Alaha.
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Your one of one not 1 chaldean has assyrian kings names
The Bible is very distinctive that Chaldeans and Assyrians are two different people and were at war with each other for centuries so I don’t know how you guys got that mixed up
That doesn’t mean much
Many pick and appropriate the names of other nations all the times yet they are related to them
Apparently araps in the levant are canaanites now 😂
Saddam hussein is a babylonian now 😂
You 2 are doing the Lord's work. We need unity and harmony among our people.
You are 💯 correct, about our Assyrians approach to our Chaldean brothers, but the proves are out there, first, the Chaldean name was established on our people from Nineveh in 1830 officially, and there are couple of videos for Mar Rafael Bi Daweed and Mar Sarhad Jammo, they both very clearly said, we (Chaldean) are Assyrians, then both were pressured to back down, but facts are facts, we need each other, and we actually have about 500k Assyrian Jews in Israel, good job, I'm so proud of you guys. Khaya Ganokhon.
my wife is assyrian too we have 5 kids
Idk the question but ASSYRIAN is the answer, we’re too stubborn to lose Anything.
Thanks Gabaree for your information I appreciate the young Assyrians talking about their background of our Nation ❤ Civilization who teaches the all other Nations about the Creation, we need to stand up for our Freedom our Rights our Holly Ashour Land we will fight until the last drop of our blood …We should stay away from ethnic who we are and say away from Religion .. Its so bad for one nation Civilization been divided by others I mean spirituals Leader of Churches stay away from these peoples, focus on Assyrian Cause 😢 to be one nation Civilization again ……? Shlamee to you both my blood brothers keep going with a Higher Spirits and be Strong to take over our Ashour Land and be one nation Civilization God bless you new generation citizens of Assyria every where on this planet …Amen ❤
I remember read about chaldean king nabopolassar attack neo assyrian empire 612 bc are they both a same ethnic?
I think it’s unclear if he was but even then, you have to read the history of the actual Chaldeans back then and see if they actually are the same people to this day which are Chaldeans or are they Assyrians who eventually changed.
My Chaldean friend told me that Chaldeans are Assyrians who converted to Roman Catholicism.
Your friend is absolutely right.
@@edoh497 It helped that Catholic doctrine is VERY close to that of the Church of the East. Both were accused of being "Nestorian". Church of the East, perhaps with more facts behind it; in Late Antiquity that Church supported Nestorius as their ally from the Greek west. Although later on they quit doing that.
It’s actually very simple, the Chaldean church fasts for 3 days for Jonah. Jonah was ordered by God to preach to the Assyrian people … if we are not Assyrian (I’m Chaldean Assyrian) then why does our church fast these three days?
Funny, I grew up in the same quandary. My dad’s family fled Urmia in 1910s. His dad and baby brother were shot to death by a firing squad in front of him . After stopping in France they came to Chicago. They identified as Assyrians and my dad went to St Ephrem’s Chaldean church for mass on Sundays during the 1950s+. My mom’s Assyrian family left Tbilisi and wound up in Connecticut. Her mom soon died and the 2 girls were raised in a “Christian” children’s home. The 2 boys were left in the care of the depressed dad. I never knew Chaldean was a nationality.
My grandma is from the Long living Patriarch Aboona family, many live all around the world and mainly in Alqosh which is full of Chaldean assyrians.
they call themselves chaldeans and not assyrian from what I know.
truth be told, some chaldeans just don't know because they weren't taught
I took a DNA test on 23andme and the regions were Nineveh, West azerbaijan iran, and Hakkari turkey, those are all the focus point of the assyrian homeland
The Assyrians, who were originally all part of one Christian group, started to split into different churches a long time ago, mostly because they disagreed on certain religious ideas and also because of various political situations. Here are some key events that caused major splits:
Council of Ephesus (431 AD) - This was a big meeting where church leaders argued about religious teachings, particularly about a figure named Nestorius. The Assyrian Church of the East didn't agree with what was decided at this meeting and separated from what later became known as the Chalcedonian Orthodox Churches.
Council of Chalcedon (451 AD) - Another important meeting that caused disagreements, this time about the nature of Christ. By this time, the Church of the East had already split off, but this council led to the creation of another group called the Oriental Orthodox, who also disagreed with the outcome of the council.
Schism of the Sasanian Church (484 AD) - After a key church leader was executed by the Persian emperor, the Persian church decided to fully support the stance of the Church of the East. This was made official at a meeting called the Synod of Beth Lapat.
Middle Ages - As Christianity spread and different political powers like the Byzantine Empire and Islamic caliphates influenced the area, the Assyrian Christians split even more, depending on where they lived, their political situations, and their specific religious beliefs.
The thing is Assyrians tend to be aggressive about it towards Chaldeans that’s the main reason we stay divided, it is indeed a slap in the face more than a historical or informational revelation
Roman Catholics, Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East. We're all children of God and his son Jesus died for all of us.
Assyrian brothers and sisters, I have a question, can you understand the book of Daniel in the original Aramaic? Chapters 2-7 are in your language right?
God bless 🙏🏻
I'm Catholic Assyrian. I think Assyrians and Chaldeans are the same but with different accents. 😂
Not really because Chaldean Catholics from Iran would speak the same dialect as their non-Catholic Assyrian kin.
Love from 🇮🇱
We still use aramiac EVERY prayer, every day and every hoiday, and studied daily in every yesivah.. it's a beautiful language.. i love it so much!
Unite against araps
Lol, I’m a mountain Jew, Levantine mixed with Iranian and Caucasus people, and score 98% Assyrian on dna tests. 🤣, nice to meet you
First of all I would like to say God bless our Assyrian people.
I'm so happy to see these kinds of talks happening within our youth.
I also would like to add that in the last 10 years people have learned more about Assyrians then in the last 500 years....thanks to the internet.
Now I would like to also add that the story we have been given through our forefathers is that this Assyrian/Chaladean dispute started in the 1900s..just before the first world War.
When the Assyrians were approached by the English and United Nations to fight alongside the allies to keep the Turks out of what now is called Iraq , in order to be given our land back and be recognized by the world as a people with a country.
We did just that we fought and kept the Turks out .
After the war was done Iraq was given to the Arabs and we to live under there rule.
And so what happens now , you have a Christian people that have went against Muslim Turks and killed many of them during the war ...now living under the Arab Muslims care.
Soon after we come to the great genocide that was conducted by the Turks against the Assyrians/Armenians/Greeks.
In that time we were all Orthodox Christian and what happened was that Rome knowing about all that was happening to our people came and sat with our elders to tell them that whoever was to become Catholic would not be killed by the Turks , and so are elders made a decision in a time of great suffering ...they decided that it would be best if more the half the population would convert to Catholicism in order to keep our people from total annihilation.
And that my dear brothers and sisters is what I was told by my forefathers about the birth of Chaladeans.
I've heard the conversion started in earnest in 1830. But your grandfather makes a good point. Why wouldn't people convert from one Church to another if it helped keep them alive?
@@RamanMikhael there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
It was done to preserve our nation.
Funny how people discredit the Bible as a source but instead you have made Google your god .
@@rizzyroyce_ I don't follow... please help me understand what your point is.
@@rizzyroyce_your ego is your God
I dont get it. Is the claim that the syriacs, assyrians, chaldeans, aramaens belong to different ethnicities or is it an argument about the naming of a single ethnicity that are divided along different christian denominations/dialects?
You guys both of you are so sweet. So Chaldean or Assyrian are both sweet
I understand what Emmanuel means when he says that the kids might not care for the debate because of the setting of convention, but I also think it’s a great idea if it is recorded, I would most definitely be in attendance for that debate! W Emmanuel, W Paul!
There is not enough of us to keep being separate. Even if Assyrians and Chaldean’s were different, we are so the same that we should work together, instead of trying to one-up each other.
chaldeans dont work with anyone. they have the arab mentality where they are only in it for themselves.
whether we used to be separate people;
or not;
we can't deny;
we are one people;
unless we want to;
I love Assyrians ❤️I like learning about their history and culture.
Assyrians are liars
Beginning with the second century A.D., Christianity flourished in Mesopotamia among the descendents of the two great and ancient empires of Chaldea and Assyria. Once they were baptized, both nations preferred the name Christian to their old national names. The Church was simply called the Church of the East. These people were gradually converted through the missions of St. Thomas, St. Addi, and St. Mari. Most of Iraq remained Christian until the advance of Islam in the mid 7th Century A.D. In time, Islam became the religion of the majority of Mesopotamians.
Some Assyrians believe that, with the exception of the Assyrians, all original people of Iraq disappeared or were dissolved. They claim that there were no Chaldeans left, nor were their names used prior to the split of the Church of the East in 1553. Furthermore, they claim that there is no relationship between today's Chaldeans and those of antiquity.
Herodotus, in his History of Persian War, Ch. VII, p. 63, (C. 430 B.C.), acknowledged that the Assyrians went to war with helmets, "This people, whom the Hellenes call Syrians are called Assyrians by the Barbarians." He also stated that the Chaldeans served in their ranks. The last statement is usually omitted by Assyrians who want to negate the Chaldean name.
Moreover, the Chaldeans were mentioned by the Greek historian Xenophone. Xenophone marked in his book, Anabas, Book IV, Chapter III (401 B.C.), details about the passage of the Greek Battalion in the Nineveh area while returning from Persia to Greece. He affirmed that the Greek faced armed groups made of Chaldeans, Armenians, and Mardenians. He also described Chaldeans as "men of war, more than any other people." This statement confirms that Chaldeans had a strong presence in Assyria.
A hymn written by Mar Marotha at the time of Persian oppression of Christians in Mesopotamia in the 4 th Century A.D. reads, "An order was issued to kill innocent martyrs by sword, the Chaldeans were surprised and they raised their finger toward the sky". This hymn is still in use in the liturgy of the Chaldean church. The pro-Chaldean identity advocates perceive this hymn as evidence of the presence of the Chaldean name in Mesopotamia long after the end of their empire.
Chaldeans were also mentioned in the 10th Century. Ebn Al-Nadeem, who died in 999 A.D., mentioned the people of the city of Haran (present-day Turkey) in his book, Index, calling them "the Chaldeans.
In 1222, the Pope sent a letter to Jerusalem's Patriarch to encourage him to convert the Nestorians back to Rome. A report stated that the request was resisted by Greek and Chaldeans seculars. This letter affirms the existence of the Chaldeans, even before joining Catholicism in 1445 and 1553.
Fr. Anstas Al-Karmly, in his book, The History of Baghdad, states that Christians at the time of Mongolian Gazan Khan (1295-1303) faced ravages that no amount of ink could describe. Also, Yousif Ganima, in his book, Tour of the Yearned, mentioned the oppression that faced the Nestorians. They were forced to leave Baghdad, Basra, and all Iraqi towns, except Mosul and its surroundings. According to Ganima, the Nestorians took shelter in the mountains of Kurdistan and Persia.
The Assyrian Argument and the Counter-argument
Most Assyrian writers accept as fact the Assyrian identity or ethnicity. They believe that Chaldeans, Syriacs, and all Christians in Iraq and its neighboring countries are Assyrians, and try to impose an Assyrian identity upon all these groups. Their distractors accuse them of doing what Arab nationalists--including the Ba'thists--did to non-Arab minorities when they claim that minorities in the Arab world are Arabs, or of Arab origin. The Assyrians also argue that, because the Chaldean towns and villages in northern Iraq are close to Nineveh, the ancient Assyrian capital (Mousl), they must be Assyrians.
Some Assyrian writers argue that, because the Assyrian reign was much longer than the Chaldean, those Aramaic-speaking people are Assyrians. These ideas are not shared by the Chaldeans and the Syriacs. Similarly, the counter-argument of many Chaldeans is that, because the Chaldeans defeated Assyrians, and were the last native Mesopotamians to rule, the Aramaic speakers of Mesopotamia are Chaldeans. Furthermore, Chaldeans, quoting some historians, indicate that ancient Assyrians were actually living in Babylon, in the Chaldean plain of Shinaar and that their roots were Babylonian. Therefore, they argue, Assyrians were not a separate ethnicity, but Mesopotamians. Accordingly, they were relocated and created their own region, which was called later Assyria.
Some Assyrians challenge the existence of Chaldeans, even in history. Younadam Kanna, the General Secretary of the main Assyrian political party, the Assyrian Democratic Movement (ADM), and member of the Iraqi Parliament, challenged the existence of the Chaldeans. He stated "there is no single stone in Babylon bearing a Chaldean name except the Torah". Other Assyrian writers claim that Chaldeans were Assyrian tribes living in southern Mesopotamia. Uncovered documents found in 1973 in Nippur--located between Babylon and Uruk--revealed the words Chaldea and Chaldeans on their cuneiform tablets, dated about 700 B.C. In tablet number one [discovered?] by archeologist Steven Cole, there is a letter indicating that "wool could not be found in Chaldea." Tablet 21 reads "Whatever news (there is about) Chaldea, my lord should find out and write." The word Chaldea was mentioned seven times in various tablets discovered in this Nippur location.
Regarding modern history, opponents of the Assyrian argument affirm that it was the Canterbury Church's delegates who gave the followers of the Nestorians' Patriarch, Mar Shimoun in Hakari and Uremia the name Assyrians. The Anglican missionaries promised them that the Assyrian name would win their national rights for them. The Anglican Missionaries began their mission among the East-Aramaic Nestorians in 1887-1890 and in 1890-1915, which was called The Archbishop of Canterbury's Assyrian Mission. Initially, it meant the Christians of the Geographical Assyria. These Christians of Assyria became known as Assyrian Christians or Christian Assyrians. MacLean, a missionary, was quoted as saying that "there is really, as far as I know, no proof that they had any connection with old Assyrians.... One of the few Anglicans who did use the term Assyrian was Benson, the Archbishop of Canterbury, but that is a fad of His Grace, as no one else." (36) Therefore, Assyrians are considered descendants of the ancient sect, the Nestorians.
The Goat of all ethnicities.
im an aramean and im proud to be an Aram
And you are not suryoyo?
I’m iraki, living in France. I only spoke arabic when i was 3 years old, and can’t speak it anymore.
If any akkadian language still existed, i would directly learn akkadian.
I don’t feel i’m arab, but akkadian 💪
You’re probably not Arab, statistically speaking. Most Iraqis are an Arabized people, but their true heritage can be revealed with a DNA test
As a proud assyrian, I am more than willing to put this absurd, European-constructed division behind me. I want my homeland to be re-born again. Why don't we all come together under one banner. We don't have to be called Assyrians, or Chaldeans, or Syriacs, for we are all united under the name "Atoorayeh"
The issue here is with "pride" and it's no wonder the Bible proclaims it as the biggest sin (even bigger than Lust, Wrath or Gluttony). Just like you are a proud assyrian. A chaldean or aramean will feel the same sense of pride for his culture and name. Once we let go of pride collectively we can start the unification process.
It’s simple, we have no Homeland to keep us glued together
I’m shawa beyarkha Assyrian. The most important thing is we are all united in Christ Jesus.
Can a Roman Catholic marry a Chaldean? I'm not sure whether or not this is a silly question, but it's something I wonder about.
I’m of Chaldean Telkepnaya descent and I did a DNA test 3-4 yrs ago and latest results as follows (+/- 7%) :
Caucasian - 50% Anatolia w the heaviest concentration in Armenia and Georgia.
Levant - 40% mainly in Christian Lebanon
The rest - south European (likely mixing w the Romans), Cyprus and Persian.
Arab - zero percent (0%), most Arabs are good people.
ALL my friends are getting back comparable results (Assyrian and Chaldean) ! Some refuse to do a DNA test, who wants to deal w this reality when it’s hammered into us of who we are or should be, just like their ancestors prior and unchanging X millennials.
Dear brothers,
I would like to express my opinion on your "debate". I would like to specify that I am from Baghdida Iraq, and I am part of the Syriac Catholic Church.
The problem our people are facing, no matter how you choose to define it, is a crisis due to our dispersion throughout the world. The real threat is that we are losing our language. Instead of bickering and going around in circles over a naming issue that will not advance anything, we should focus on our real problem.
We must try to preserve our language and reintegrate the vocabulary and pronunciation symmetrically. We must get rid of words coming from foreign languages such as Arabic, Persian, Kurdish, English, French, and so on.
We have the opportunity to prepare a more organized and methodical ground to unite us. Our unity will be our strength. The usual appellation of our people is as follows: people (آشوريون/سريان/كلدان). There is no problem with us having multiple appellations.
Let's not underestimate any community of our people because we have all faced the same difficulties of persecution and forced immigration. Perhaps not directly for some of us, but certainly for our grandparents. I would like to specify that when Daesh terrorists arrived in our city in Dashta Dninveh, they were ready to massacre us, no matter how we called ourselves, Assyrian, Syriac, or Chaldean.
Like the sun, which, despite having different forms, namely sphere, light, and heat, remains a single entity, we too, despite our appearances and appellations, can remain united.
By adopting this vision, we can transcend our differences and unite in our fight to preserve our language, culture, and identity. Together, we are stronger.
I would add one last thing to this, that you have likely grown up far from the Middle East(as me to), and therefore you may not necessarily realize the difficulties that our people overcome on a daily basis just to try to live as well as they can. The damnation of our people's appellation is the last thing they have to worry about.
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So Assyrian is catholic or Christian I keep getting confused ,please explain
Assyrian is an ethnicity, not religious. Assyrians adhere the Assyrian church of the east. Chaldeans (Assyrian Catholics) are ethnically Assyrian and adhere to the Roman Catholic Church. Modern day Chaldeans/Assyrians are genetically the same people, it’s all religious division.
The ancient Chaldeans seem to have migrated into Mesopotamia sometime between c. 940 and 860 BC, a century or so after other new Semitic arrivals, the Arameans and the Suteans, appeared in Babylonia, c. 1100 BC. According to Ran Zadok, they first appear in written record in cylinder inscriptions of the King of Mari Aššur-ketta-lēšir II (late 12th-early 11th century BC), which record them reaching Mesopotamia as early as the 11th century BC.[19] They later appear in the annals of the Assyrian king Shalmaneser III during the 850s BC. This was a period of weakness in Babylonia, and its ineffectual native kings were unable to prevent new waves of semi-nomadic foreign peoples from invading and settling in the land.[20]
Though belonging to the same West Semitic speaking ethnic group and migrating from the same Levantine regions as the earlier arriving Aramaeans, they are to be differentiated; the Assyrian king Sennacherib, for example, carefully distinguishes them in his inscriptions.
The Chaldeans were for a time able to keep their identity despite the dominant native Assyro-Babylonian (Sumero-Akkadian-derived) culture although, as was the case for the earlier Amorites, Kassites and Suteans before them, by the time Babylon fell in 539 BC, perhaps before, the Chaldeans ceased to exist as a specific ethnic group.
Abraham is Chaldean. Chaldeans have existed before Abraham. Get your facts right
Beginning with the second century A.D., Christianity flourished in Mesopotamia among the descendents of the two great and ancient empires of Chaldea and Assyria. Once they were baptized, both nations preferred the name Christian to their old national names. The Church was simply called the Church of the East. These people were gradually converted through the missions of St. Thomas, St. Addi, and St. Mari. Most of Iraq remained Christian until the advance of Islam in the mid 7th Century A.D. In time, Islam became the religion of the majority of Mesopotamians.
Some Assyrians believe that, with the exception of the Assyrians, all original people of Iraq disappeared or were dissolved. They claim that there were no Chaldeans left, nor were their names used prior to the split of the Church of the East in 1553. Furthermore, they claim that there is no relationship between today's Chaldeans and those of antiquity.
Herodotus, in his History of Persian War, Ch. VII, p. 63, (C. 430 B.C.), acknowledged that the Assyrians went to war with helmets, "This people, whom the Hellenes call Syrians are called Assyrians by the Barbarians." He also stated that the Chaldeans served in their ranks. The last statement is usually omitted by Assyrians who want to negate the Chaldean name.
Moreover, the Chaldeans were mentioned by the Greek historian Xenophone. Xenophone marked in his book, Anabas, Book IV, Chapter III (401 B.C.), details about the passage of the Greek Battalion in the Nineveh area while returning from Persia to Greece. He affirmed that the Greek faced armed groups made of Chaldeans, Armenians, and Mardenians. He also described Chaldeans as "men of war, more than any other people." This statement confirms that Chaldeans had a strong presence in Assyria.
A hymn written by Mar Marotha at the time of Persian oppression of Christians in Mesopotamia in the 4 th Century A.D. reads, "An order was issued to kill innocent martyrs by sword, the Chaldeans were surprised and they raised their finger toward the sky". This hymn is still in use in the liturgy of the Chaldean church. The pro-Chaldean identity advocates perceive this hymn as evidence of the presence of the Chaldean name in Mesopotamia long after the end of their empire.
Chaldeans were also mentioned in the 10th Century. Ebn Al-Nadeem, who died in 999 A.D., mentioned the people of the city of Haran (present-day Turkey) in his book, Index, calling them "the Chaldeans.
In 1222, the Pope sent a letter to Jerusalem's Patriarch to encourage him to convert the Nestorians back to Rome. A report stated that the request was resisted by Greek and Chaldeans seculars. This letter affirms the existence of the Chaldeans, even before joining Catholicism in 1445 and 1553.
Fr. Anstas Al-Karmly, in his book, The History of Baghdad, states that Christians at the time of Mongolian Gazan Khan (1295-1303) faced ravages that no amount of ink could describe. Also, Yousif Ganima, in his book, Tour of the Yearned, mentioned the oppression that faced the Nestorians. They were forced to leave Baghdad, Basra, and all Iraqi towns, except Mosul and its surroundings. According to Ganima, the Nestorians took shelter in the mountains of Kurdistan and Persia.
The Assyrian Argument and the Counter-argument
Most Assyrian writers accept as fact the Assyrian identity or ethnicity. They believe that Chaldeans, Syriacs, and all Christians in Iraq and its neighboring countries are Assyrians, and try to impose an Assyrian identity upon all these groups. Their distractors accuse them of doing what Arab nationalists--including the Ba'thists--did to non-Arab minorities when they claim that minorities in the Arab world are Arabs, or of Arab origin. The Assyrians also argue that, because the Chaldean towns and villages in northern Iraq are close to Nineveh, the ancient Assyrian capital (Mousl), they must be Assyrians.
Some Assyrian writers argue that, because the Assyrian reign was much longer than the Chaldean, those Aramaic-speaking people are Assyrians. These ideas are not shared by the Chaldeans and the Syriacs. Similarly, the counter-argument of many Chaldeans is that, because the Chaldeans defeated Assyrians, and were the last native Mesopotamians to rule, the Aramaic speakers of Mesopotamia are Chaldeans. Furthermore, Chaldeans, quoting some historians, indicate that ancient Assyrians were actually living in Babylon, in the Chaldean plain of Shinaar and that their roots were Babylonian. Therefore, they argue, Assyrians were not a separate ethnicity, but Mesopotamians. Accordingly, they were relocated and created their own region, which was called later Assyria.
Some Assyrians challenge the existence of Chaldeans, even in history. Younadam Kanna, the General Secretary of the main Assyrian political party, the Assyrian Democratic Movement (ADM), and member of the Iraqi Parliament, challenged the existence of the Chaldeans. He stated "there is no single stone in Babylon bearing a Chaldean name except the Torah". Other Assyrian writers claim that Chaldeans were Assyrian tribes living in southern Mesopotamia. Uncovered documents found in 1973 in Nippur--located between Babylon and Uruk--revealed the words Chaldea and Chaldeans on their cuneiform tablets, dated about 700 B.C. In tablet number one [discovered?] by archeologist Steven Cole, there is a letter indicating that "wool could not be found in Chaldea." Tablet 21 reads "Whatever news (there is about) Chaldea, my lord should find out and write." The word Chaldea was mentioned seven times in various tablets discovered in this Nippur location.
Regarding modern history, opponents of the Assyrian argument affirm that it was the Canterbury Church's delegates who gave the followers of the Nestorians' Patriarch, Mar Shimoun in Hakari and Uremia the name Assyrians. The Anglican missionaries promised them that the Assyrian name would win their national rights for them. The Anglican Missionaries began their mission among the East-Aramaic Nestorians in 1887-1890 and in 1890-1915, which was called The Archbishop of Canterbury's Assyrian Mission. Initially, it meant the Christians of the Geographical Assyria. These Christians of Assyria became known as Assyrian Christians or Christian Assyrians. MacLean, a missionary, was quoted as saying that "there is really, as far as I know, no proof that they had any connection with old Assyrians.... One of the few Anglicans who did use the term Assyrian was Benson, the Archbishop of Canterbury, but that is a fad of His Grace, as no one else." (36) Therefore, Assyrians are considered descendants of the ancient sect, the Nestorians.
@@FrancoYousef-qo2yp when you announce a 'fact', quote your sources, unless you were enough old to have lived a few thousand years ago.
@BernadetteIchou-r6z Ur of the Chaldees (or Chaldeans) was a place in Mesopotamia and is mentioned four times in the Old Testament:
Genesis 11:28 says that Haran (Abram’s brother and Lot’s father) died in Ur of the Chaldees, “the land of his birth.”
Genesis 11:31 says that Abram left Ur of the Chaldees and moved to Canaan. Chapter 12 goes on to explain that this move was the result of God’s call to Abram to leave his home and move to a new land that God would one day give to his descendants.
In Genesis 15:7, God identifies Himself to Abram: “I am the LORD, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans to give you this land to take possession of it.”
In Nehemiah 9 the Israelites confess their sins and recount the history of Israel: “You are the LORD God, who chose Abram and brought him out of Ur of the Chaldeans and named him Abraham” (verse 7).
Ur may have been a city, and there have been many sites suggested as the location of Ur, but no theory is definitive. The site that is most commonly suggested is a city on the Euphrates River, about 150 miles northwest of the Persian Gulf.
The Septuagint (an Ancient Greek translation of the Old Testament) simply calls Ur of the Chaldees the “land of the Chaldees,” and in the New Testament Stephen, reviewing the history of Israel, says that Abraham came out of “land of the Chaldeans” (Acts 7:4).
Many scholars believe that Ur is not the name of a city but simply a word that means “land.” If this is the case, then Ur of the Chaldees is simply the land of the Chaldees. Chaldea was in the area known as the Fertile Crescent. Depending upon the time period, the territory of the Chaldeans varied, but it would have included the lower part of the Fertile Crescent, extending from the upper edge of the Persian Gulf northwest to the area of the city of Babylon. The Chaldeans ruled Babylon for a while. The exact boundaries of their territory are not clear.
The point of the story is that God called Abram out of an area of civilization and prosperity. Ur of the Chaldees, the place where he lived, would have had ample water and land for pasturing and would have been active with commerce. It was “the place” to be. God called him away from that to a place that was unknown to him. Abram would probably have had a hard time imagining any place better than the place where he already was. But Abram believed the promises of God, and God credited that faith to him as righteousness (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:3). History has been filled with pioneers who have left civilization to seek a better life, but usually these people have been in dire straits, desperate for something better. They left a bad situation knowing that, even though there would be dangers and hardships, they could have something better in the end. Abram’s situation seems to have been the opposite. He lived in a prosperous civilization among his family, who appears to have been wealthy. He walked away from it all, simply trusting that God was going to give him something better, even though he would be a stranger in a strange land and would not see the fulfillment of God’s promises in his lifetime. Is the Bible enough for you as sources? What an idiot!!
@BernadetteIchou-r6z The first split for the two groups came in 431, when they broke away from what was to become the Roman Catholic church over a theological dispute. And separating religion from the Assyrian-Chaldean debate even now is all but impossible.
During the 6th century the Assyrian Church was torn by a long schism (521 or 522-37 or 539), a violent persecution (540-545) under Chosroes (Khusro) I (531-79), and by various ecclesiastical scandals.
The Chaldean Church shares roots with the Assyrian Church, as both churches composed the “The Church of the East[1]” before the fifteenth century.
The Chaldean Church split from the Assyrian Church of the East in 1552[2] after they had lived together the bitterness of another division that struck Christianity in 431 during the Council of Ephesus[3].
The Chaldean section of the Church of the East elected the monk Yohannan Sulaqa, who was the abbot of Rabban Hormizd Monastry, as Patriarch of the Chaldean Church. Accordingly, he travelled to the Holy See and pledged before him to formally join the Roman Catholic Church. On March 20,1552, Pope Julius III decided to declare Yohanna Solaq a Patriarch. On April 9th of the same year, he was ordained a bishop and assumed office. Meanwhile, the Church of the East has known two patriarchs, one of whom is based in the city of Al-Qosh in northern Iraq and the other patriarch was papal and based in Diyarbakir in southeastern Turkey.
Sounds like the dilemma of the South Slavic people which are now mostly divided by religion rather than culture (although their religions do influence their cultures) - they all speak the language and had mostly the same culture outside the faith markers but issues arise that create a new identity.
I think we can call it "Assyr-Chaldean" like we have the term "Serbo-Croatian", where they may identify differently it is undeniable how similar they are (like how Anglophone Canadians are to Americans IMO).
ur right and I cant understand it either
Why did you adopt Kabbalah AKA Roman Catholic traditions over the Protestant type of Christianity in the North? I’m not referring to Lutheranism, I’m referring to Baptist type of Biblical Christianity.
As a Aramean we are one people as Mesopotamians not as Assyrians, Arameans or Chaldeans us 3 had our own kingdoms and empires so dont try claiming others history because thats something dumb to do, To claim others history to get bigger attention when we have our own thats strong and us 3 had our prime
Both of you are of the Aramaic race. You were named ”Chaldean” and ”Assyrian” by the catholic respective protestant Church.
That is actually true.
I ain't either. But grew up with one of the largest Assyrian/Chaldean diaspora in the western world. Fairfield has the highest number of Assyrian and Chaldean population anywhere in Australia. Dunno how it is over in the states but the Assyrian/Chaldean community is very united here. Basima Raba azeeza/khoni 🙂
Hello to everyone. I realllllllly want to learn Chaldean Aramaic. I bought books but have NO ONE to talk to. Drop a line if you want to help! I'm American, but love languages.
Good conversation to have. The whole problem started at 19 century when British and French took over of south of Turkey and sent their missionaries to the region. Original Assyrians who their priests calling them Caldean need to take action. Stop speaking Arabic Islamic language. Start teaching their children Assyrian language. Use Assyrian names not French or Arab names . If there's any hope for our nation it will come all together . We need nationalism in our catholic brothers and sisters in order to live free from any other nation. Tired of seeing our people killed by Muslims.
What Jews do is they have a Hebrew name in conjuction with their assimilated one...maybe you can adopt that PoV too
Soon as I saw them I guessed guy on left Assyrian guy on right chaldean.
I love the Assyrians, from the Netherlands hello 👋
the chaldeans and assyrians are ethnically the same people now and they are both successors of the sumerian, akkadian, and old babylonian empires. the chaldean empire is a synonym of the neo-babylonian empire that conquered and succeeded the assyrian empire. the common thing among modern assyrians and chaldeans are that they are both christians. the assyrians are generally members of the church of the east that broke off from rome after the council of constantinople in 381, while chaldeans are simply fully catholics who have their own patriarch in communion with rome, just like the maronite catholics or melkite catholics, armenian catholics, or the st. thomas catholics of india. the term chaldean was simply a term granted by rome to differentiate the catholics from the christians of the church of the east. the chaldeans however are much much larger than the church of the east in terms of number.
it is simply a matter of semantics in terms of ethnic identification but they both represent the oldest civilization in the world and they represent christian iraq before it was overtaken by the arabs in the 7th century AD. if both of assyrians and chaldeans could identify themselves ethnically sumerians or akkadians perhaps it might help but they are referring to the same people, the iraqi christians, just different loyalties: one is catholic, the other is church of the east.
may the Lord Jesus Christ bless and keep the christians of the middle east close to His heart.
Well, a chaldean saying "i didnt know what assyrians were" is like americans saying they dont know what mexicans are, or swedish people saying they dont know what norwegians are, so what do you mean? You never heard anyone in your family say the word Atornaye? Because thats the chaldean word for Assyrians. Only way you dont know this is if you dont speak your own language, which i can understand i have siblings who dont either
You should have one of the people in attendance to be the incarnation of an Assyrian Crown Prince... that would be hilarious.
Support to Assyrians from Israel 🇮🇱
How about a half Palestinian/Assyrian like myself? 😄
@PalestinianSam313 Hello brother. I'm from northern Israel. We have many Christians and Arabs here, and they are good people, so I have no reason to assume you aren't as well.
Where would you place yourself politically? Because Hamas has a majority in the PLC. Do you feel Christians are treated fairly and represented fairly in the Palestinian government? What would you do if you were in charge?
@@ForeverRepublicwell khoni I don’t affiliate myself with politics because man isn’t capable of giving us eternal life. I can only rely on God who us Assyrians call Yah Alaha. There’s not much I could do even if I was in charge because the Bible prophecy tells us that there will be corruption and destruction in the holy land until the return of our Messiah. I weep for the inflicted families and I can only pray for peace despite knowing the prophecy.
We dont need support of assasins thanks
@@ayychikoo5398 So you're against Arab colonialism on Assyrian land, but support it on Jewish land?
The Assyrians are the which has many I am also Assyrian, and I'm tired of the division that was brought upon Us by the colonial English who left us in world war I to be genocide we killed
After the invasion of Iraq by George w he killed 1 million Assyrians and Arabs. They were rougher on us than any other country they bombed 24-hour B-52 heavy bombs 2 tons each 24 hours a day 7 days a week they pounded the Iraqi infrastructure from top to bottom they left people with no water no food no communication they destroyed hospitals Bridges they killed the power department the power generators that run on oil forever because our oil is unlimited and George w bush got a hard-on when he heard that he heard that Iraq had the largest oil reserve in the entire world combined doesn't have enough oil to reach how much oil Iraq has so of course we're going to go in there after 9:11 but wait a minute saddamn was terrorists killer. So Saddam was a terrorist killer. Why did the white man destroy the entire because they know there's trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars under the Iraqi soil not crude oil the good oil the one with the best they call a 24-karat gold because it has all the minerals needed to supply our new technologies they all come from oil based plastics, Iraq has 24 oil and they don't even it's the best in the world and they can't find the bottom to it that's how much oil is under if you think Saudi Arabia oil, then George w there's an unlimited supply of pure 24-karat gold oil underneath Iraq and we don't know how much is there there could be enough to last an eternity that's how far the wells go down in Iraq. Before the white man turned Iraq into a week country so the could use and everything they wqnt in Iraq, we are all Assyrians and our people were divided by the British .us that are in America should leave all are Assyrian is the I'm an Assyrian activist.we were separated by colonizers to divide is and take our country it's time for all of us to reunite and stand together once amd for all ,forget the tribes , we're losing people left and right to the city of the state of Arizona in the state Texas until then we are under the thumb of the Polish Mafia police the chief is Polish 80% of their department is Polish half of their fire department is Polish and they're over the age of 40 you tell me how somebody over the age of 45 can get a job as a cop right now this second when there are Marines and special forces begging to be police our chief Polanski Christopher Pulinaki chooses to hire 50-year-old polish speaking polish officers 90% of the Skokie Police services with the highest paying jobs go to Polish people and I have the proof I got over 200 minutes of them breaking down the Syrian preventing us from going to Dunkin donuts at late night that they're going to give us tickets unless we obey which we did not obey and we can continue to go to Dunkin donuts and drink coffee and eat donuts all night long from 12 a.m to five am just to piss him off and show them that we're not scared of them one bit will stand tall we will stand with our shoulders back and we will stand as the militants that we are we're born as military men and we will die as military men I hope your father taught you what it is to be a man and to stand up for yourself I just hope that is because I don't know how fathers are raising their kids anymore seems like you tell them not to throw the first punch that's the way you want to fight well that's not how you want to f****** fight that's how you get your ass whipped by letting someone else take a free shot at you what if that free shot at you hit you right on the chin and you get knocked out and you fall and you hit your head on a piece of metal and you always throw the first punch I'm Assyrian I'm going to follow you you follow me back I like some of the things you're saying
Well, at the end of the day, Chaldeans, Assyrians et Syriacs, we are all Arameans. (At least, linguistically speaking)
Im Assyrian, Swedish and German. I fit in NO WHERE ! It is really all very confusing.
Chaldean, German and French here 😂 - in America
Now let this blow your mind, hundreds of thousands of Jews from your lands moved to Israel around 75 years ago, but they are called Kurdish Jews, which is funny because they don't even speak Kurdish, they speak (spoke) Aramaic, or Jewish Assyrian Aramaic. Unfortunately for this conversation, no Jews really live in Assyrian regions anymore as they have almost all returned to their true ancient homeland of the Land of Israel.
You might find it interesting that Israel is (since 2014) the only country in the world to allow people to identify as Aramean, as opposed to the "Christian Arab" identity that has been forced on them for so long.
In Michigan it’s Chaldeans at least growing up that’s what they self id as it was before the internet so I assumed there was a country somewhere called Chaldea
Let me add something to you young guys , I love you guys first of all , the Chaldean are the smart Assyrians ,the ancient Assyrian kings used to select the smartest student and send them to Babylon to get involved in the science of astronomy, that’s where the word Chaldean came which means (باحثون) or researchers, and astronomy was the science of the age that’s around the time when the 3 kings from Persia saw the star of the Lord and came to Israel and saw the baby Jesus and offered him gifts