The BIGGEST Issues Assyrians & Chaldeans Face Today W/ Paul Elia
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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@Pauleliacomedy and Emmanuel Romanous discuss the issues within the Assyrian and Chaldean communities, why they disagree and what ought to be done to resolve unnecessary conflict.
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Impressed that we have Assyrians educating folks about my people.
They are def not educating anyone . They going off nothing factual . I can pull the Bible and show you through genealogy that we are Chaldean and not Assyrian .
Athuri and Chaldani were brothers and both great grand children of Noah. Prove me wrong
There is absolutely no “ethnicity” of Chaldean. There is so much disinformation about this topic which is unfortunate. I am a genetic researcher and I can assure you 100% that all Chaldeans are Assyrians by ethnicity. Multiple DNA tests prove this. Chaldean is only a religious designation for Assyrians who adhere to the Catholic faith.
@@rizzyroyce_ Can you show me Chaldean national figures from the past 100 years? National, not church related.
@@edoh497 I can show you the word of God . If that’s not valid enough for you your lost in life
im assyrian my wife is assyrian of chaledean catholic church... we are suraye assuraye soroye all the same.
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Love from a Maronite descendant!!! 🇱🇧
This is a brilliant conversation, I'm proud of you both for doing this. It's also really saddening to hear Paul hadn't even heard of Assyrians until he was in 8th grade... this needs to change within the Chaldean community. It's truly unfortunate that Chaldeans have been given false information for generations now. I know the history and why it's complex but like Paul, they need to reclaim their true ethnicity- it's essential to our survival of our people. Regarding the live debate- I think it would be embarrassing to the Chaldean debater as an Assyriologist will be able to debunk their belief very easily. I don't think it's about the info- it's like Emmanuel said- it's about not being willing to hear the facts and accept them. Again, it's complex but necessary that Chaldeans are educated correctly.
It's also on us as people of the Church of the East to not be sectarian to Chaldean Assyrians and make fun of them if they say they're Chaldean.
Sadly, Pauls story is not an uncommon thing. I went through a very similar experience, although I didn’t even learn until much later than he did. In reality, it’s not even about being “given false information for generations” at all. Chaldeans in communities like Michigan and California grow up identifying as “Chaldean” in English, and even calling the language “Chaldean”. The reason for this is not because they reject Assyrian identity, or because they believe they descend from the ancient Chaldeans, or because they adhere to the whole separatist “we wuz Babylonian” bs, or because they were given wrong information. For the most part, they are just raised that way. The vast majority don’t even know much about what’s going on. Ask them about our history and they wouldn’t be able to tell you really anything, honestly. Ask them where they’re from, and they’ll just say the name of the country that their family is from-as if we don’t have our own homeland. Ask them if they know about this whole “name debate”, or Assyrian nationalism, or Chaldean sectarianism/separatism, and most won’t even know what you’re talking about. These things are basically unheard of. I don’t know how else to describe it other than poor education, apathy, and especially unawareness. I believe the main reason our elders identified themselves as “Chaldeans” when moving to these diaspora communities is because they are Chaldeans in an ecclesiastical/denominational sense, which isn’t inaccurate. The name Chaldean is indeed inaccurate for sure, but it is unfortunately the official name of the church, whether we like it or not. So if it’s in that context, they weren’t wrong. It’s like how Maronites would identify as such due to being members of the Maronite Church. It just makes it somewhat easier ig. I’ve heard that when Chaldeans first went to Michigan, many of them initially identified with their village/tribe, so there was a bunch of Telkepnaye/Telkeffis for example. When they were still in the homeland (prior to becoming diaspora), they mostly only called themselves Suraye. Due to the demographic environment in the homeland where we are the Christians and everyone else is Muslim or non-Christian, Suraye became almost synonymous with Christian (Mshihaya). What a lot of people don’t understand is that yes, the word Suraye has been used to mean Christian for a while now, but this doesn’t mean it entirely lost its other connotations. To give an example, many of the older people in my family have told me that the word Suraya means Christian. At the same time, i’ve only ever seen them refer to our people specifically by this name. If it just meant Christian and that’s it, we would be calling Christians of any ethnic/national background as Suraye-but we don’t. This demonstrates that it hasn’t lost its ethnic/national connotation completely. Another connotation it carries is for those who speak our language. I must mention that Suraye means Assyrians. Regardless of how one uses the word, it means Assyrians. Period. Some will argue that it means “Syrians/Syriacs” instead, but this is a poor argument. We know where those words come from. We know their etymology and what/who the original use of them was for. Archeological inscriptions and bunch of other evidence confirms this. Back to the topic now. Therefore, when they moved to these new communities, they weren’t really sure of how to identify themselves properly. This of course is due to the reasons I mentioned above, as well as the effects of the Ottoman millet system. In the Middle East and in our homeland, ethnic/national identity lost its important for a long time and most (especially our people) were most commonly known by our religious/denominational names. I could go into much more detail about the denial of Assyrian identity following the Assyrian genocide and Simele massacre and the major role they played in this, but my comment is already long and I doubt anyone will read, + i’m sure you already know.
As for the debate they hope to do, Assyrians will undoubtedly easily prove that Chaldeans are Assyrians. I don’t know what the Chaldean side would have to offer. Back when our name on the US census was being changed from Assyrian to what it is now, they didn’t seem to have any strong argument or claims to justify separating Assyrians from Chaldeans, or for changing the name from Assyrian to “Assyrian/Chaldean” or “Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac”. The US Census Bureau seemed biased in my opinion and was ready to easily and quickly change the name and back the Chaldeans in regards to the name change, possibly saw it as an east way to further divide us and weaken our movement/identity. They said things like “Our research has concluded that Chaldeans represent a unique ethnic group, and that Syriac is also an acceptable ethnic indicator” but provided no evidence to back it. What research are they talking about exactly? I don’t think it’s possible for anyone who has really done research into our history and identity to come to such ridiculous and laughable conclusion. I guess we will have to wait and see if this ever happens and who argues for the Chaldean side. All they seem to have is a bunch of wannabe-historian hateful old men on platforms and groups like Facebook where they spam the same misleading images and sources everywhere in their hilarious attempts to prove that Assyrians are actually just “Chaldean Nestorians from Hakkari and Urmia” lmao, but I won’t even go into that right now.
@@assyrianchad Bro, I think this is the longest YT comment I've ever read 😂 It was worth it though. Thanks for going into great detail about your experience and conclusion on this topic. It's complex indeed and so varied just as we are as a people in diaspora. I can agree with you in saying that calling us Assyrian/Chaldean/Syriac is silly yet I can see why Assyrian organizations have adopted this. I get that it's a quick way to 'unite' us but I hope continuing our efforts to educate new generations to identify as 'Assyrian' doesn't fall to the wayside. As our population continues to dwindle we should focus even more on unification. 🙏🏽
@@assyrianchad
Well said ❤
@@assyrianchadwhat a beautiful observation I’m a “Chaldean” and I do think you are right “Chaldeans” are Assyrians and we are all descendants of the people who are descendants of Assyrians…… it’s like us Assyrians claiming Iraq it’s quite asinine however I will claim Assyrian
Great videos brothers. The problem that I see is that most Chaldeans of today believe that they can trace back to the ancient Chaldeans of Babylon but those guys were actually a group of nomads called the Kassistes that ruled over Babylon. As everyone knows the Chaldeans of today are Catholic Assyrians.
Go be a troll somewhere else lmaoo@jj-yi1ne
With so many of us living in diaspora, scattered around the world, a conversation around similarities and unification becomes even more important.
Cant because of Church and even if you go prior to christianity, they were split of different Sumerian and Akkadian gods - unless Assyrians can be secular like Kurds and Jews and have the churches serve the Assyrian state.
@@icysaracen3054you can unite under an ethnic identity and not under a christian denomination
totally agree. Open discussion and politeness opens up doors and new viewpoints. Assyrians and Chaldeans working together.
My grandma is from the Long living Patriarch Aboona family, many live all around the world and mainly in Alqosh which is full of Chaldean assyrians.
they call themselves chaldeans and not assyrian from what I know.
truth be told, some chaldeans just don't know because they weren't taught
I took a DNA test on 23andme and the regions were Nineveh, West azerbaijan iran, and Hakkari turkey, those are all the focus point of the assyrian homeland
I'm Catholic Assyrian. I think Assyrians and Chaldeans are the same but with different accents. 😂
Not really because Chaldean Catholics from Iran would speak the same dialect as their non-Catholic Assyrian kin.
So many of us have these types of conversations but we're so separated and we think it's only our small group that discusses these things about assyrians but no trust me in a house in USA or Sweden or Australia or Germany these conversations are happening everywhere we just don't know how to connect on a large scale to properly discuss things and make moves
Very good topic
Great video, thank you
In my opinion we are a divided people not at our own doing, but at the influence and manipulation of much greater powers who understand "as one voice and one people’ we are the indigenous people of an area that has valuable natural resources (oil). As any indigenous people of an area we too should be awarded rights and benefits from the sale of these riches or at a minimum given autonomy over our ancestral monuments and densely populated areas. It’s just that we’ve been swayed into divide for so long we believe we are not one. It’s encouraging to see the young generation question beyond these senseless divides and voice our similarities. The more we communicate with each other and come together in thought the better our future will be.
Great job guys
Great video..I think we need to educate the young more so that can come to the realisation that Assyrians and Chaldeans are genetically the same people split on different religious and dialect lines..my dads family for instance are Assyrian Catholic from Iran. My understanding is the word Chaldean was designated to Catholic Assyrians by Pope Eugenius IV to distinguish them from the Assyrians of the Church of the East.
Support to Assyrians from Israel 🇮🇱
How about a half Palestinian/Assyrian like myself? 😄
@PalestinianSam313 Hello brother. I'm from northern Israel. We have many Christians and Arabs here, and they are good people, so I have no reason to assume you aren't as well.
Where would you place yourself politically? Because Hamas has a majority in the PLC. Do you feel Christians are treated fairly and represented fairly in the Palestinian government? What would you do if you were in charge?
@@ForeverRepublicwell khoni I don’t affiliate myself with politics because man isn’t capable of giving us eternal life. I can only rely on God who us Assyrians call Yah Alaha. There’s not much I could do even if I was in charge because the Bible prophecy tells us that there will be corruption and destruction in the holy land until the return of our Messiah. I weep for the inflicted families and I can only pray for peace despite knowing the prophecy.
We dont need support of assasins thanks
@@ayychikoo5398 So you're against Arab colonialism on Assyrian land, but support it on Jewish land?
The thing is Assyrians tend to be aggressive about it towards Chaldeans that’s the main reason we stay divided, it is indeed a slap in the face more than a historical or informational revelation
I understand what Emmanuel means when he says that the kids might not care for the debate because of the setting of convention, but I also think it’s a great idea if it is recorded, I would most definitely be in attendance for that debate! W Emmanuel, W Paul!
Thanks Gabaree for your information I appreciate the young Assyrians talking about their background of our Nation ❤ Civilization who teaches the all other Nations about the Creation, we need to stand up for our Freedom our Rights our Holly Ashour Land we will fight until the last drop of our blood …We should stay away from ethnic who we are and say away from Religion .. Its so bad for one nation Civilization been divided by others I mean spirituals Leader of Churches stay away from these peoples, focus on Assyrian Cause 😢 to be one nation Civilization again ……? Shlamee to you both my blood brothers keep going with a Higher Spirits and be Strong to take over our Ashour Land and be one nation Civilization God bless you new generation citizens of Assyria every where on this planet …Amen ❤
Good conversation to have. The whole problem started at 19 century when British and French took over of south of Turkey and sent their missionaries to the region. Original Assyrians who their priests calling them Caldean need to take action. Stop speaking Arabic Islamic language. Start teaching their children Assyrian language. Use Assyrian names not French or Arab names . If there's any hope for our nation it will come all together . We need nationalism in our catholic brothers and sisters in order to live free from any other nation. Tired of seeing our people killed by Muslims.
That Chaldean guy was awesome. Thanks for clarifying guys 👍
im an aramean and im proud to be an Aram
And you are not suryoyo?
Why don’t Chaldeans have Assyrian names like Sargon Ashur or Ninos
This is false, I’m Chaldean and one of my cousins name is Ninos. Also, our last names are the same, Assyrian/Chaldean doesn’t matter cause we’re the same people
I’m Chaldean but those names are corny. I prefer Hebrew names of the Bible which have much more meaning in connection to The Most High Yah Alaha.
@@Dre1_
Your one of one not 1 chaldean has assyrian kings names
Hello to everyone. I realllllllly want to learn Chaldean Aramaic. I bought books but have NO ONE to talk to. Drop a line if you want to help! I'm American, but love languages.
These guys should make love not fight!
Assyrian always been like that. I have never heard any Chaldean making these type of comments
So are Levantine Christians whos ancestors spoke western Aramaic also are "assyrians"? I know they've been arabized quite a bit but technically "Assyrian" in todays terms is referring to the eastern Aramaic people. But there was also a western people who largely lost their language and identity due to Arabization.
I ain't either. But grew up with one of the largest Assyrian/Chaldean diaspora in the western world. Fairfield has the highest number of Assyrian and Chaldean population anywhere in Australia. Dunno how it is over in the states but the Assyrian/Chaldean community is very united here. Basima Raba azeeza/khoni 🙂
Chaldeans and Assyrian culturally and historically were never Identified as the same historically.
Lol, I’m a mountain Jew, Levantine mixed with Iranian and Caucasus people, and score 98% Assyrian on dna tests. 🤣, nice to meet you
I'm sure the ancient Assyrians and Chaldeans were having the same debates haha.
I used to tell my Chaldean ❤ brothers that I am not Assyrian , I am Nenwaya.
And they feel more comfortable 😂
Maybe because Jesus Christ ❤ used the word Nenwayeh .
Khaya Umtan Gabbarta Kha Lishana Kha Dimma Kha MSHIKHA ❤
In Michigan it’s Chaldeans at least growing up that’s what they self id as it was before the internet so I assumed there was a country somewhere called Chaldea
We are all Assyrians people should stop dividing us. After all we've been trough we should also stick together there is a reason why God didn't sweep us of the face of the earth when the genocides happened!
This conflict has lasted for at least 50 years. A real tragedy!
The only true denomination is :
Ashur Ashurai
as we are called in the hebrew bible.
Chaldeans were a small group of people in Assyria they were astrologers that's all.
Why can't we just call ourselves what we really are?
Iraqi Americans
Can we just have a meet up and figure this shit out all this extra bullshit from past generations is so taxing I’ve gotten to the point where when ppl ask what I am I just say Persian😂😂
Well, my friends no ethnic Chaldeans or Assyeians. Have you forgotten that the Chaldeans name was given to you around 15th century and Assyrians name was given second group around 18 century. The fact that you are defendants of the ten tribes of Israel. Read the book of ( The Nestorians or the Lost Tribes, 1841. By
Asahel Grant).
I am going to be honest.. Assyrians look exactly like Arabs. It's crazy. They look as diverse as Arabs, and each diverse look, looks exactly like an Arab. I mean Yemeni, Saudi, Syrian, Iraqi, etc.
Why is that so?
Similar phenotypes such as olive skin, black curly hair, and thick eyebrows however trust me if you are Assyrian/Chaldean you can majority of the time tell the difference between an Arab and Assyrian because of intricate details such as eyes and just the look of your face. Just like Africans for example, you can tell a Nigerian from a Ghanaian, etc. And you can tell a Chinese person from a Japanese or Korean. Assyrians have a similar phenotype to Arabs but still have Assyrian-looking faces.
@@Iraqi_Assyrian313
Arabs have straighter hair usually, and more extreme skin tones darker or lighter depending on country.
I am an Arab and honestly can’t tell the difference, for me every Assyrian could be an Arab. But not every Arab could be an Assyrian, if that makes sense.
Whatever you people choose to call yourselves but dont know what you put in the water but damn it your women are outerwordly beautiful😳
This is a strange conversation, because while closely related, there is an actual measurable genetic distinction you can make between the two groups. It really does appear that Chaldeans are more somewhat more Arab shifted than Assyrians genetically. Both are equally similar to the ancient Mesopotamians more or less, but today they have formed into closed yet distinct groups, which is a good thing - Chaldeans fight for Assyrian speakers and gain sympathies with other Catholics, while Assyrians do so the same with their side. Unified at the hip, walking together, but with four arms instead of 2.
Why do you have to be stuffed into the Assyrian identity if you have your own established identity? Unification of Aramaic speakers doesn’t mean they all have to erase any differences. Why can’t Chaldeans and Assyrians just recognize they are very closely related and fight for their cause while maintaining their religious identities? I think they are totally capable of continuing the tradition of the Aramaic speaking peoples without having to erase their identity.
:Why do you have to be stuffed into the Assyrian identity if you have your own established identity? " chaldeans do not have their own established identity. centuries of persecution has erased any consciousness they might have had. thats why they propagate arab nationalism and encourage their kids to speak english or arabic only. malinchiste complex.
A divided house cannot stand.
@@roses.4684 I see your point, and I have to say I agree. Unfortunately these relatively trivial differences cause groups to divide and more easily fall under the dominion of another, united people.
The lies they not Assyrian
I promise I'll start calling myself Assyrian the day they take the pagan god off of their flag. Symbolism is very important to me.
And the sectarian “Chaldean” flag isn’t a pagan symbol? 😅😂
It’s called having history. We Assyrians existed long before Christianity… so the symbol shall remain because it’s common sense. Something u clearly don’t have lmao
If this is also the case, replace the Ishtar star from the Chaldean flag because that too is also "pagan".
These symbols pre-date when we were Christians and are an important part of our history/heritage.
I don't use the Chaldean flag either lol I just say I'm indigenous Iraqi
Lol I triggered so many people at once
It’s quite funny to be seeing the ancient people of Assyria today! Wow! Jonah (who was a Black Hebrew from the Tribe of Zebulun) was sent to your people back then to warn them that GOD was going to bring judgement upon Nineveh, if they didn’t repent and stop worshiping false gods. Do you know that your ancestors took my people the Tribe of Gad; as well as the other Tribes of Israel into captivity? Yup! That happened because the Holy One of Israel caused your ancient king and his army to send us away from our homeland. We were scattered to the four corners of the Earth! The Israelites kept worshiping false gods that’s why! Behold! The so called Black Native Indians in North America and Canada are the original Hebrews from the Tribe of Gad! Even Chief Joseph had the Assyrian tablet passed down to him! Look up the images about that! Also look up the Black Russian Icons! The Americas represents Babylon The Great! [Revelation 18]
Selah 🕎🕊💟
I’m Chaldean
Chaldeans are Babylonians, Babylonians are Assyrians.
All is because of religion.
King Hammourabi and king Nebukhanaser were CHALDEAN NOT Assyrian.. Assyrian are jelous from Chaldeans simply because we were and still are smarter than them.. History shows that every good thing came from the Chaldeans and the war masters were Assyrians etc etc etc...
If eye could paint a picture it would look like this.....chaldeans from south like UR...But later with evolution migrated north hence the name changed because someone named ashur banipal...who just happens to change his followers name to ashur aka assyrians today so there you have it we all come from UR...
Except that we don't. Assyrians were always in Assyria.
@RamanMikhael where you think the name Assyria came from? aka Ashur ? Its from their ling named ashur banipal.....wow just google it...
We are assyrian ! We are one ! My DNA test PROVES I’m 100% assyrian from Nineveh iraq ! Long live Assyria and king ashur !
Why did you abandon your ancestral gods for a foreign jewish Israelite god?
@@icysaracen3054 wth?! The pagan gods were evil demanding human sacrifices… Jesus Christ is lord, and Assyrians have a connection with Christianity, Jesus spoke Aramaic, assyrian are in the Bible also.
Evil gods????? Ahhhhahh strange thing Is that civilization came from everywhere ....but not from tanach yahweh....
If youre chaldean youre not assyrian
@@sweetgal7644 there's genetic continuity from modern middleasterns tò ancient people and civilization of middle east
as a armenian, this video is fascinating. ironically genetic studies have concluded that armenians and assyrians most likely came from the same group or tribe of people in pre-history. 15,000-25,000 years ago. who knows if that’s correct.
I've also heard similar, that Armenians and Assyrians are closest to each other genetically.
We are family with 2 different languages.
Assyrians and Armenians are cousins. Is in the bible.
Ассирийцы и Армяне братья во Христе, и близки друг другу как древние народы, но все же разные народы и генетика разная, но ассирийцы из Армении очень ассимилировпны с армянами вот в их случае можно говорить о сходсиве генетики, а так все же разные мы, но повторюсь очень близкие народы везде.
@@RamanMikhael no. Assyrians are semitic people, originally from Mesopotamia.
Armenians are most closely related to Greeks, genetically.
Syriacs, Assyrians and Chaldeans are descendants of the ancient Assyrians of the Assyrian empire. We are all one people genetically
No. Among you are armenians, turks, kurds, arabs, jews, iranians, scythians, europeans - via arab slavery (look at the whiteness of your women). It's not a good or bad thing. It's simply obvious and historical accurate. Mesopotamian people, like many other people in the empires crossroads, are heavily mixed.
As an American with 100% Jewish DNA, I am fascinated by the Assyrian people and your struggle for recognition! It reminds me so much of Jews and Palestinians. DNA evidence shows that Jews and Palestinians are *the same people*.
I find it fascinating to see a similar story where a people from the same genetic roots can come to view each other as totally different!
We all need to the wake up to the truth that we all share ancestors and all have a desire for a good life!
@@bogdanpstDNA tests show that modern day Assyrians/Chaldeans have the highest percentage of Mesopotamian origin than all those ethnicities you’ve listed. I don’t understand the “whiteness” you’re arguing about? Mesopotamian people are apart of the Caucasian race which is pale/olive/brown skin. if there was any slave trade going on DNA tests would show it but it doesn’t; stop spreading false info.
@@Dre1_, look at those nordids among assyrians of today.
@@bogdanpst what are you even talking about? Pale skin doesn’t originate in fucking Europe dude, Assyrians/Chaldeans are apart of the Caucasian race…
You guys are amazing 👏👏👏👏👏
This is always in my prayers UNTIY for our NATION Assyrian 🙏🙏🙏🙏
We really need to have a huge meeting about this infected name debate among our people, im a assyrian-syriac who lives in sweden and i really hope we can overcome this issue and unite under the assyrian name once and for all and even get our independence and country back.
I agree that much of the problems we face. Are from within and has its origin in historical pride and ego. Which is a sin in its self. Pride is the devils sin and it is the sin that seperated him from God and heaven. And this sin (pride) has like the devil. Seperated us from each other. And created division and seperation.
I hope you guys make a follow up on this topic and have similar topics like this and even broadcast that debate/meeting and post it online.
Push'b Shlomo akhoni.
I like hearing the prospective of this topic from Assyrian's born in the diaspora, very interesting indeed. 😃
Your idea is great if I may suggest a person very qualified to shed light on this topic, and that would be Dr. Nicholas Al-Jeloo.
It doesn't necessarily need to be a debate for the people to understand how we're all one ethnicity they just need to hear him explain it.
I don’t know if they’d be able to get many of the people we hope for, but i’d say that some other people who are qualified to speak on this and engage in this type of discussion would be Sargon Donabed, Ephrem Yildiz, Naures Atto, Joseph Yacoub, Hannibal Travis, Simo Parpola, Alda Benjamin, ofc Nicholas Al-Jeloo and so on.
Love the content and conversation gentlemen. Keep up the amazing work!
Finally, I get a chance to learn something about this Assyrian-Chaldean confusion.
Your ancestors had a big empire in the distant past.
I am of Croatian ethnicity (yes, I am writing under a fake name).
All the best boys.
Greetings from Sydney, Australia.
You are 💯 correct, about our Assyrians approach to our Chaldean brothers, but the proves are out there, first, the Chaldean name was established on our people from Nineveh in 1830 officially, and there are couple of videos for Mar Rafael Bi Daweed and Mar Sarhad Jammo, they both very clearly said, we (Chaldean) are Assyrians, then both were pressured to back down, but facts are facts, we need each other, and we actually have about 500k Assyrian Jews in Israel, good job, I'm so proud of you guys. Khaya Ganokhon.
Support to Assyrians from a Moroccan 🇲🇦
Support your own berbers
@@Kunta-Kinte002 I am a berber.
@@canelo1728 ifulki
May Allah guide you and guide all of us to the right path which is Islam. I was also a Catholic Arab then I read the Quran and as an Arab, there is no way any of us Arabs could ever disagree with the Quran. You don't have to reply to this, I am half Moroccan who grew up with my catholic mother and she did everything to make me one, but I also self taught myself Arabic and read the Quran and I hope you all do.
@@Kunta-Kinte002 you played yourself. lol
As a mexican christian, i find it very interesting
I've always been told that Chaldeans are of Babylonian origin meaning south of Iraq, and Assyrians of course being of Northern Iraq.
And religion has nothing to do with it. There are Assyrians who are Catholic as well as Chaldean Catholics.
The ancient Chaldeans/Assyrians yes. Modern day “Chaldeans” have origins in northern Iraq because they are Assyrians who converted to the Catholic Church and for some reason the pope called all Assyrian Catholics “Chaldean”. This division started in the 16th century AD, before that all Assyrians were united. This is how our people kept our identity through a millennia and went through arab conquests, etc. still managing to keep our identity.
So how are Chaldeans so different from Assyrians when they only started leaving the Church of the East in large numbers starting in 1830?
How are they “so different”? They have the same culture, same DNA, same food, same last names, same language etc. only difference is dialect depending on the region/city they grew up in.
One blood one nation. Outsiders put the division in. Catholic or church of the east. We are all the same
Love from 🇮🇱
We still use aramiac EVERY prayer, every day and every hoiday, and studied daily in every yesivah.. it's a beautiful language.. i love it so much!
Unite against araps
my wife is assyrian too we have 5 kids
This isn’t a debate this is two people with the exact same opinion agreeing with eachother
That's 💯 true LOL they need to be properly educated on history just a joke
Great clip. Keep up the great work 💪🏼
The interviewer is very well spoken and elegant.
Idk the question but ASSYRIAN is the answer, we’re too stubborn to lose Anything.
Now let this blow your mind, hundreds of thousands of Jews from your lands moved to Israel around 75 years ago, but they are called Kurdish Jews, which is funny because they don't even speak Kurdish, they speak (spoke) Aramaic, or Jewish Assyrian Aramaic. Unfortunately for this conversation, no Jews really live in Assyrian regions anymore as they have almost all returned to their true ancient homeland of the Land of Israel.
You might find it interesting that Israel is (since 2014) the only country in the world to allow people to identify as Aramean, as opposed to the "Christian Arab" identity that has been forced on them for so long.
The Bible is very distinctive that Chaldeans and Assyrians are two different people and were at war with each other for centuries so I don’t know how you guys got that mixed up
try getting an Assyrian, Aramean and Chaldean to debate it out, sounds like a great idea
As an Aramean, I truly hope we can experience the day of unification
any debate is foolishness
@@jamesr.g.2320 no but to find common ground
@@eyoo369 i agree
@@eyoo369 I have a question. Too many times I learnt that the aramean language was a common language in the Middle East, but exactly where it is located your home nation? It is in Palestine, Jordania, Syria, Lebanon or Iraq?
I feel like I could help in this discussion as a Chaldean-Assyrian and President of the Assyrian American Bar Association
why are you identifying as "chaldean assyrian" in the first place?
You’re already disqualified 😁
There is not enough of us to keep being separate. Even if Assyrians and Chaldean’s were different, we are so the same that we should work together, instead of trying to one-up each other.
chaldeans dont work with anyone. they have the arab mentality where they are only in it for themselves.
Nice video. As a Chaldean who is involved with the Church, I struggle to understand the actual basis of our ethnicity being either Chaldean or Assyrian. I know that we are the same Nestorian people who lived together under one Church, who were all united in Christ. I know when the split occurred sometime around the year 1551, some Nestorians joined the Catholic Church and were called the Chaldean Catholic Church under the Patriarchate of Babylon. I know as people who come from Bet Nahrain, we are geographically in the Mesopotamian region. What I truly struggle with is the claim to be the original Chaldeans, Assyrians, or Babylonians from the biblical era. How can we claim this? How do we make this into an identity with authority or basis? Can we truly call ourselves the descendants of Abraham of Ur? I still seek the truth out to this day and I think there are issues with both sides of the Assyrian-Chaldean debate. And to be honest, when you look at the culture, the language, the people, the Churches, and the region, there is no denying we are all the same people. In the end, my examination of this is that when we were all united under the same umbrella of Christ and in complete communion with one another, we truly were a united people. Our Church, the Church of the East, our father Thomas the Apostle, Mar Addai and Mar Mari, Mar Ephrem, all of these early church fathers are just shaking their heads at us, allowing ourselves to be divided, and over what? A name? I find it silly and repugnant that we do this to ourselves. I pray that God grants us the strength and leadership needed to unite our communities and come together again as one people. We are all one family, and anyone who fails to see that is allowing the devil to control their sense of pride. That is my stance. One thing I like to reference is the story of the Tower of Babel. The Babylonians wanted to attain worldly dominance, and God humbled them by confusing their language and dispersing the people over all the earth. The same thing has come upon our modern people, the same people we claim to originate from. A funny thing in my book of humor. I hope for unity in all of the Assyrian, Chaldean and Syriac people and I pray that Maran Esho blesses us all and brings unity to our communities. God Bless you all, and thank you for reading my paragraph.
Being Assyrian is based on the fact that we live in historical Assyria (North Mesopotamia). We also speak and call our language Assyrian, the name Sureth which is derived from Ashureth. We also call ourselves Suraye which is derived from the word Ashuraye.
You 2 are doing the Lord's work. We need unity and harmony among our people.
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Both of you are of the Aramaic race. You were named ”Chaldean” and ”Assyrian” by the catholic respective protestant Church.
You guys should reach out to Shak Hanish who is a PHD In philosophy who has a great peer reviewed article about the Chaldean Assyria ethnic identify problem
Great video, interesting topic!
-your caucasian friend
Would need nothing more than to unite for better of all. 🙏
My Chaldean friend told me that Chaldeans are Assyrians who converted to Roman Catholicism.
Your friend is absolutely right.
@@edoh497 It helped that Catholic doctrine is VERY close to that of the Church of the East. Both were accused of being "Nestorian". Church of the East, perhaps with more facts behind it; in Late Antiquity that Church supported Nestorius as their ally from the Greek west. Although later on they quit doing that.
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Roman Catholics, Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East. We're all children of God and his son Jesus died for all of us.
Assyrian brothers and sisters, I have a question, can you understand the book of Daniel in the original Aramaic? Chapters 2-7 are in your language right?
God bless 🙏🏻
I am a Latin Catholic that attends the TLM. I just recently went to my first Maronite Liturgy, I loved it. The area I live in have no Assyrian communities, but we do have the Indian Syro-Malabar here. I hope to attend a Chaldean, Assyrian, or Syriac Liturgy someday.
God Bless you all. Ave Maria. Ave Christus Rex.
As a proud assyrian, I am more than willing to put this absurd, European-constructed division behind me. I want my homeland to be re-born again. Why don't we all come together under one banner. We don't have to be called Assyrians, or Chaldeans, or Syriacs, for we are all united under the name "Atoorayeh"
The issue here is with "pride" and it's no wonder the Bible proclaims it as the biggest sin (even bigger than Lust, Wrath or Gluttony). Just like you are a proud assyrian. A chaldean or aramean will feel the same sense of pride for his culture and name. Once we let go of pride collectively we can start the unification process.
I was always fascinated by the Assyrian language. This convo was quite interesting to watch
I dont get it. Is the claim that the syriacs, assyrians, chaldeans, aramaens belong to different ethnicities or is it an argument about the naming of a single ethnicity that are divided along different christian denominations/dialects?
Why is a (very obvious looking) Jordanian larping as an Assyrian?
@@scinatit I am 25% Jordanian 🤣 good eye
I'm from iraq specifically Basra and i feel 70 assyring@@LazyIntellectuals
Funny, I grew up in the same quandary. My dad’s family fled Urmia in 1910s. His dad and baby brother were shot to death by a firing squad in front of him . After stopping in France they came to Chicago. They identified as Assyrians and my dad went to St Ephrem’s Chaldean church for mass on Sundays during the 1950s+. My mom’s Assyrian family left Tbilisi and wound up in Connecticut. Her mom soon died and the 2 girls were raised in a “Christian” children’s home. The 2 boys were left in the care of the depressed dad. I never knew Chaldean was a nationality.
First of all I would like to say God bless our Assyrian people.
I'm so happy to see these kinds of talks happening within our youth.
I also would like to add that in the last 10 years people have learned more about Assyrians then in the last 500 years....thanks to the internet.
Now I would like to also add that the story we have been given through our forefathers is that this Assyrian/Chaladean dispute started in the 1900s..just before the first world War.
When the Assyrians were approached by the English and United Nations to fight alongside the allies to keep the Turks out of what now is called Iraq , in order to be given our land back and be recognized by the world as a people with a country.
We did just that we fought and kept the Turks out .
After the war was done Iraq was given to the Arabs and we to live under there rule.
And so what happens now , you have a Christian people that have went against Muslim Turks and killed many of them during the war ...now living under the Arab Muslims care.
Soon after we come to the great genocide that was conducted by the Turks against the Assyrians/Armenians/Greeks.
In that time we were all Orthodox Christian and what happened was that Rome knowing about all that was happening to our people came and sat with our elders to tell them that whoever was to become Catholic would not be killed by the Turks , and so are elders made a decision in a time of great suffering ...they decided that it would be best if more the half the population would convert to Catholicism in order to keep our people from total annihilation.
And that my dear brothers and sisters is what I was told by my forefathers about the birth of Chaladeans.
I've heard the conversion started in earnest in 1830. But your grandfather makes a good point. Why wouldn't people convert from one Church to another if it helped keep them alive?
@@RamanMikhael there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
It was done to preserve our nation.
Funny how people discredit the Bible as a source but instead you have made Google your god .
@@rizzyroyce_ I don't follow... please help me understand what your point is.
@@rizzyroyce_your ego is your God
Found this conversation fascinating. The only famous Assyrian I know is Beneil Dariush, fan of his in the UFC
We should say we’re surayeee and that’s it
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Why do you think the Muslims Kong of Egypt the second president of Egypt said that the jews left black and came back white he said we cannot receive you
Because he was about Muslim he spoke the truth about Egypt and was killed
Soon as I saw them I guessed guy on left Assyrian guy on right chaldean.
Well, at the end of the day, Chaldeans, Assyrians et Syriacs, we are all Arameans. (At least, linguistically speaking)
As a Aramean we are one people as Mesopotamians not as Assyrians, Arameans or Chaldeans us 3 had our own kingdoms and empires so dont try claiming others history because thats something dumb to do, To claim others history to get bigger attention when we have our own thats strong and us 3 had our prime
There are no pictures of any white or light skin kings of Egypt or white Egypt no where
I’m iraki, living in France. I only spoke arabic when i was 3 years old, and can’t speak it anymore.
If any akkadian language still existed, i would directly learn akkadian.
I don’t feel i’m arab, but akkadian 💪
You’re probably not Arab, statistically speaking. Most Iraqis are an Arabized people, but their true heritage can be revealed with a DNA test
Przyjdzie dzien kiedy prawdziwi Chaldejczycy powroca na wlasciwy swoj tron. Wy nie macie nic wspolnego z nimi