@@1Nostrand1 That with the NieR games you get depression, but there's still hope at the end of the tunnel. With Drakengard, you know your hopes are gonna be utterly crushed.
Me except it was very much like "this music is so pretty, fuck that's a knockback.... *surecasts* f4 in peace now. This song is giving me ideas. Oh I'm dead. This song is so pretty"
everybody gangsta till a giant white god with flower motifs falls from a circle on top of tokyo while bells ring it's been 17 years and I still have PTSD
@@nineball8193 the third game is extremely laggy throughout the whole game there’s pretty much not a single moment above 25 FPS while making constant sex jokes
@@pablothecoffeelover2551 In the ending that connects to Drakengard 1 Zero is death and so are the other intoners (Except brother One), none of the intoners in D3 are the mother.
The bell chimes from Drakengard 1, boss looks like Zero from Drakengard 3, kaine theme from nier, right? Imagine having an option to delete one's maxed out class after the raid to help the rest. Glory to mankind!
@@baliche the long hair and the flower does make her look like Zero but it's 2P with the red girl head on the side and the False Idol's hair. When you kill her, you get to see her face better and you can see it then :D
@@carlos-zy7vx No, she's either the Doom summoned by creation magic, or the cause behind the Doom's summoning. And that might not even be metaphorical, it's implied that triggering event in Amaurot was that *they heard a sound* that triggered a wave of panic and fear.
How many references can you put in one fight ? Here we have a boss : -With an entrance similar to Drakengard's E ending -With an appearence ressembling Zero's final form from Drakengard 3 final boss -Also feature a head of one of the machine network's administrators in Nier Automata -Also wearing Lunar tear from the first Nier, which reference Kaine. -Complete with Kaine's theme with the bells from Drakengard's E ending boss fight -Include Drakengard 1 and 3 "cursed song" wave of attack. -Include some of Eve's attack when he use pieces of building to his arms -And summon the previously mentionned Machine network's administrators from Nier Automata
"Even if it's pointless we still have to do it!" *BECAUSE THIS IS THE WORLD MY FRIENDS TRIED TO SAVE!!!* These lines... these goddamn lines... still make me tear up...😔
I kinda felt this was a sort of love letter from Taro to the early days fans of Drakengard. I was hoping for this to happen, but didn’t really believed it. But then it did, and it was marvelous. I lived for the music, when I heard those bells ringing I went crazy. Would have loved an inclusion of Drakengard 3’s theme.
She has an attack that is called the final song. Tbh i have never beaten the final boss in d3, farthest i got was the screen went black and i was so happy then i heard one final ring spawn oh god fuck yoko taro.
Honestly, he still constantly references those games. The logic virus in automata is basically red eye disease, the rain of salt eluded to the grotesquerie queen crumbling and causing white chlorination syndrome, eve had a cult of thre watchers symbol on his chest. Then there's all the connections in the first nier (I still feel halua is essentially a failed skinless watcher)
@@OsnosisBones The Logic Virus is canonically Androids copying the Red Eye disease actually, and majority of the Nier MagiTech were all based on the research humans had that are related to the Queen Beast, Angelus and Caim.
They did something similar with the Final Coil of Bahamut. No crazy rock music or hard themes. Just you, your raid mates, Bahamut, and a very still version of Answers. Granted the 2nd phase picked up but the gravity felt very similar to me.
Haha I couldn't play day 1, but my fc told me that they were excited to play through it w/ me, knowing how much I love Drakengard/Nier. We too talked on discord through it all. When I heard the bells, and we were warped to the city, I screamed on the mic. 🤣
Same feeling when a friend of mine and I saw the transition cutscene into this fight and we saw the chlorinated Tokyo down below. Hype and chills at the same time.
Just did this raid for the first time. When this phase kicked in I didn't realize what song was about to start playing. And then that harp melody kicked in and i felt like my heart had been ripped out of my chest. I didn't think I would end up sobbing actual tears for the entirety of that fight. I'm glad that the mechanics were relatively simple because tears were making it REALLY hard to concentrate, haha.
Overall pleased with this raid. Nier and Drakengard hommages all throughout. Was a little concerned the final phase would be a rhythm game, bullet hell or visual novel of some sort.
In its native timeliness, so devoid of hope, this...THING...was invincible. Its influence meant there was no happy ending, or at least not one that could be achieved easily, or completely. But this time, it's different. This is a reality of fantasies that have yet to be final, a reality where mad gods can be thwarted by those with the resolve and skill to protect what they cherish. Here, a happy ending is possible. Here, the bleak song can be silenced. Here... You can win.
I’m not familiar with Drakengard, and I really wish I was, but when this played, something about this made me realize that this fight, this song, this entire alliance raid, was something special. Something that, to me at least, demanded respect, not through bombastic motions, but through its solitary nature. This song especially feels…lonely, for lack of a better word. And while a lot of what was presented went over my head, I can tell this meant so much.
This song absolutely encompasses everything you'd ever need to know about Drakengard. With the exception of D2, every Drakengard ending always has something horrendous occur despite winning in the end. There is always someone abandoned in the end, either the main character or someone close.
@@mortum_potato6124 but this time the machine life forms, YoRHa and the watchers where stoped before is too late, but in the end even if we win, it doest feel like a victory
I was already caught off guard by Emil's song earlier. This hit me like one of those trains when they showed up the third time and oof I feel it, the Queen Beast Song, Kaine, the FF Main Theme, The Ashes of Dreams and I feel all of the feelings I discovered in each of those songs
@@carlos-zy7vx It's more of a callback in the strings during the opening more than actually playing barely there 0:36 but it kinda distracted me at the time since I had heard it before
Is so weird, final part is a nier automata raid with almost everything being a Nier boss. Only automata boss if the red girl that you fight multiple times during the dungeon. and then the last boss is all the ladies mixed, Kaine, 2B and of course Zero. and that is pretty good, is like a love letter to the fans.
You must remeber yoko taro tendency of making all nier lore cannon to the orginal story. What we know of all the lore is that the red girl survived the paradox virus that as used used defeat her and her clones ,and that her plan to escape earth and her programming still succeeded. (The entire plot of nier was that the red girl didn't want to die,but she could only live so long as she was fighting the enemy. She was trying to evolve and did to expand enemies from just the androids to the aliens who created her and finally all non machine life.) 9s,2b,and a2 got to survive and were rebuilt on the machine ark that was sent to another planet. In the epilogue given at the music concert, there are two canonical endings. One where a2 and everyone dies again, and one where a2 never awakens but 9s and 2b do. Yet they decided to continue to fight to stop the machines. Thus did the ark land on the first. But by then 9s and 2b were fighting for awhile. In a desperate bid to surpass them, red girl decided to copy 2b by making p2. What's more an army of them to defeat the two. But with our aid even that was stopped. When she was saying we should stop resisting, she wasn't talking to the aliens who just recently popped up on her ship. She was talking to 2b who has consistently fucked up her plans since the start of the 14th machine war. So where does the Kaine,2b creature come in? Well remember what she was ultimately trying to do was do the impossible. Create life, as a non life form. The only being with memories of a living person both in automata and in all lore besides is A2. She's from a generation of androids that were built using humans memories. And she's the last model. Not even the Ola units have memories since all human era androids were destroyed. A2 memory base was Kaine, a powerful warrior in her own right. And a2 was still in the machine ark defenseless. The only person to have ever defeat 2b. The only person to have live human memories. The only creature in there machine and android war with true free will, able to live how she pleases. A2 is special. And more then likely she was in the egg. The creature being creatures was to be an amalgamation of the only things that red girl believed had surpassed her. The human android, and the android who never fails to stop plans. 9s has never been objectively special. His hacking is something all s units can do, he's never stopped her plans alone, and his combat skills are inferior. So with the memories of Kaine, a2,and 2b, the red girl finally creates life from nothing. And it immediately succumbs to the white chlorination. Humanity plan was that by destroying the watchers forces the watcher attack on humanity would stop. But a watcher influence since draken one has been that once it starts it cannot stop. Once a watcher arrives in your world,your species is doomed unless they are sealed once more. The queen was never sealed. So as long as humans exist ,so to will the queen corrupt them to spread to other worlds and corrupt them. The red girl immediately took on the traits of a watcher queen. Just like flower zero. She had finally created life based on humans, and it was close enough to be devoured by the queen. It why during the fight it uses true magic, different from the diluted magic that the machines learned from there time on earth. (The red and black orbs.) But with it's death we assume it to be over. But with 2b and 9s knowing the history of humanity and of that creature,the creature androids and replicates were orginally designed to kill, they knew it wasn't over. Once a watcher arrives it's to late. All you can do is seal off the infection. And that's what they did. They went back and closed the door.
@@davidforde2507 Damn man, most of the stuff I read about DrakenNier comes off as aloof / pop philosophy "Taro wants you to draw your own conclusion" kinda analyses, and I've only played Automata myself and was kinda disappointed by the story. I don't know anything about the plays and the extracurricular works, but if what you say/surmise is mostly true, then Taro is a better writer then I was giving him credit for. The idea you've posted here is pretty amazing, whether it was Taro's intended work or just your fanfiction. Good stuff! Do you by chance discuss this in other corners of the internet that I can read up more on? Or have a write up of this with citations to the original works?
@@brainfriiz2351 I'll give you that yoko just works with what he made in the present, rather them making some massive narrative from the get go. He admits that ,just as he admits that whatever ending you want is cannon to you. But objectively speaking even though every drakengard ending is Canon to the player,only one makes nier and the other makes nier 2. And while every drakengard 3 ending is cannon to the player, only one makes drakengard 1. Every ending creates a new narrative. But specific ones link the games,books, plays,and other media together to create the actual drakenier multiverse. Of which there are only two. One where the queen gets to Tokyo and one where it doesn't. All media fits in draken 1 ending e or d(if I'm not mistaken draken 2 is based on ending d. ) As for links for more info on just a lore guy for games and other media I enjoy and yoko taro makes it a God damn struggle. Currently there are the two plays with unique lore, the 1 time only epilouge a and b for automata that was revealed during the 5th ever automata musical concert in Japan where they got the voice actors to voice the epilogue to ending e( It is revealed they weren't actually resurrected, but rather there code was preserved in the machine network on the ark to be recreated where ever the machine network can create new machines period. ).there is also a lore book,soulcalibur, sinoalice, ffxiv, and it's rumored the nier re-release will have more automata lore.(still working on what the title code is supposed to be if it's even code for something) Point is while yoko does do things randomly, and he jokes alot,and he adds to a story rather then simply fleshes one out, he never jokes about the additions made to the games he's involved in. The golden rule is if it's a square Enix approved collab, then the lore is real. He was making jokes that p2 was more then just a color swap, but was a "evil" 2b that no one took seriously until ffxiv. Then there is him saying there was one secret left in automata that no one believed until it was found this year by hackers.(there's a level skip during the tutorial at the start of the game that unlocks everything.) Aa for yotubers to look at? I'm bad with names but I've seen a few videos talking about the connections for nier lore. There's a relatively recent one with this guy who does iceberg videos. Sorry I can't say more. As for Me I've talked with people who have questions on reddit and the like, but. I'm not a post guy or content creator. I'm just a fan.
I love that the first few seconds is a raid wipe hahah the sheer chaos of the healers raising/lb3 and smn/rdm raising everyone and dying to the mechanic is very "blind run"
Fun fact, the Bosses form Her Inflorescence has design points from both Zero from Drakenguard 3 and Kaine from Nier, so the boss itself is a symbolic link of the two settings. Remember while Drakengard is adjescent to Nier, they are set in different universes connected by the flower and the fact god absolutely hates humans.
There's actually a lot hinting that they might take place in the same universe but at different points in time. Considering Accord is a timetraveler but is mentioned in NieR: Replicant (remaster), NieR: Automata, and of course featured in Drakengard 3 it seems a little odd for it to be different "universes"
@@gbtygfvyg The Cathedral City is implied to be Tokyo. I think it was mentioned somewhere that a modern city just magically appeared in the Drakengard world one day in the same calamity that brought dragons and magic into the world, and that city was Cathedral City/The Imperial Capital.
I literally felt like The Weight of the World was on me during this fight(yes pun fully intended) but really knowing that its her theme and having it mixed with The Crystal theme just makes me wanna cry hearing her song and how melancholy the whole thing is.
a gorgeous loveletter to a franchise that has since risen from it's own ashes, much like 14 no? This raid series is just genius. The melding of two brilliant minds giving us a raid that is rewarding to so many fans. I fell in love with Automata, and through watching playthroughs of NieR and all 3 Drakangard games, i came to love and appreciate all of the games it's connected to. If ever a series deserved a true remake, one to give it the love and respect it truly deserves, it's Drakangard. Drakangard is a perfect example of something I say often: Games are not made on graphics and gameplay alone. It's the story, the characters, the music...the PLAYERS and the journey you have that truly make a game in my eyes. Drakangard is such a unique game series, and NieR just as much so. Combining these two games feels right to me. And I'm so happy they did these raids. a series that deserves more love, and this is a fantastic end to a raid series. Thank you, all of you, at Square for this.
I remember doing this the first time. Was under so much stress from real life and in game drama in an fc I was in. But I still wanted to finish this last raid so when it came out I snuck online with nobody around. I played awful I died on almost every boss. But when this song hit I don’t know why it just felt so comforting. I got back on track and didn’t die once to this boss. I didn’t play ff14 for almost a full year after. Thankfully im in a better place now. Im an officer on a great fc I have great friends and a brand new job. Kinda unrelated and strange way to see this duty but I just had to share I needed to get it off my chest
@@davidpower5710 I don't know what he meant but when I saw black/white rings my drakengard 1 and 3 ptsd instantly came, thought they'd go with it balls to the wall instead of how simple it was. Just watch drakengard chapter 13 if you don't mind spoilers
@@davidpower5710 people keep whining about the camera for that fight bit those idiots also dont realize you're not supposed to be relying on sight... it's a rhythm game in the purest sense. Rely on rhythm and hearing
Drakengard 3, I might not appreciate you as a game, but I will forever love your music, also, this is the best rendition of the FF melody I've heard, something about a solo violin playing it is just... hauntingly beautiful
Probably because the gameplay is ass in three, right? After getting into the NieR series, I deliberately looked up the lore for 3 since slogging throughout the game and messy gameplay looked more of a chore than fun.
@@nier_gard9236 I mean the gameplay itself was fine, it was the performance that was the problem. Nowadays you can just play drakengard 3 on an emulator and that will fix a lot of the performance problems including getting the game to run at a smooth 60fps.
This fight was insane. When I saw the transition I made everyone in discord jump by shouting "ARE WE ON EARTH!?" took me a minute to see it was fake. But still, a nice a Drakengard reference.
At first I didn't think they kept up the pattern of the last boss being a mashup of songs from both games, but on the second run I finally heard it: the OG Final Fantasy Theme. These mashups are so seamless, it's magnificent.
I love how they include so many old DrakeNier visual and gameplay motifs into this battle. Like the black and white rings from the rhythm game final bosses.
The realization of where we were and what was happening didn't immediately click into place. But once the music started playing, ONCE THE BELLS KICKED IN, everything clicked and I completely lost my mind... which wasn't good since the boss was also damned hard, heh. This was an awesome fight and an amazing tribute to both Drakengard and Nier. A raid I will never forget.
While the song is great and all, I wish they had actually used The Final Song form Drakengard 3 here. Drakengard 3 has my favorite soundtrack out of the Nier/Drakengard franchise and while I love that they gave us Drakengard fans something, I was expecting the song to turn into the Final Song or some rendition of it for the whole fight.
Although I'd agree, most of Drakengard 3 focuses on the influence of the black flower and the effect it had on the world. The only way I'd see that happening is if they implemented the black flower into the story. And in the timeline that leads up to Nier, all the intoners were already defeated by Zero, thus ending the flower's influence.
Something about this song fills me with an emotion I don’t really understand. It’s like something’s pushing down on my chest really hard… ...I choked up a little when the fight started.
I know, it's sounds sad and mournful, with notes of hope or longing sprinkled in. I never played Nier or Drakkengard, so I don't know what all this means really, I just know it makes me feel quite a lot. It's absolutely beautiful.
@@Nayukhuut It's a remix of several songs from Nier/Drakenguard, all of them from very poignant moments. The lyrics are from "Kaine's Salvation" and are spoken in "Chaos Language" which is an intentional gibberish with no translations. Fitting with the apocalyptic nature of the Nier series, it's supposed to be a "What would it sound like if millennia after the end of the world all languages like English, Japanese, German, French, Spanish, Russian, etc were all merged by people that really didn't understand what the originals even sounded like."
Evil thought just occured: Yoko Taro comes back in a few patches with Her Ultimate Inflorescence, the fight picks up at Her Inflorescence with far more difficult mechanics...and the last 1% becomes a Drakengard style rhythm quicktime event. Even one party member off beat is a guaranteed wipe.
I mean, we kind of did, with those rings where you have to turn to match the colors... that can tie your fingers into a knot if you're a melee and trying to do positionals, match colors, avoid cleaves, AND avoid all the other mechanics.
This fight when you're the only person in your friends group whose played the DrakenNier games: Nobody knows the panic of hearing the Queen Beast and nobody understands why you're too busy crying to rez them. Also lots of screaming "Match the colours!"
Most games would have a fight like this scored with something epic, inspiring. But here, it's a peaceful, hopeful yet tragic song. Tragic because this won't save the people who died because of the Watchers' machinations. Hopeful because we're preventing them from doing the same to Eorzea. Peaceful because this war is being laid to rest, with victory in our hands after years of devastating, tragic failure. So many have fought the fate the Watchers wish on us, and failed, but here, we have finally *won.* No strings attached. And it feels so fucking good. God bless Square Enix, God bless FFXIV, and God bless Yoko Taro.
"Shadowbringers will have Nier collaboration for Alliance raids" FF fans: "Nice, we might even get 2B glam :)" Every yoko taro fan went "Yeah he's gonna shove Drakengard in there somehow" Yoko taro "I'm gonna expand the Nier /Drakengard relation, in ANOTHER GAME, A N D N O B O D Y C A N S T O P M E"
NieR Replicant remake/remaster releases soon, Automata is technically a sequel set thousands of years in the future, but still references it quite a bit
For those who didnt seen Her Inflorescence model properly, she looks exactly like 2B, but with N2 head emerging from 2B's, the hair might probably be a reference to Zero and the rest is a complete reference to Drakengard 3, even the bells. This is the best love letter to Drakengard and NieR I ever seen. The only thing they missed the devs is a final message to the player from Accord saying "Thank you for playing!" and shutting down the screen.
"You thought it was me, NieR but it was I, Drakengard"
"The pictures are exactly the same"
GODDAMN TARO!!!!
What's the difference?
@@1Nostrand1 None they're the same series
@@1Nostrand1 That with the NieR games you get depression, but there's still hope at the end of the tunnel. With Drakengard, you know your hopes are gonna be utterly crushed.
My experiences with this fight. "God, I love this music... did I just get slapped with a building?... God, I love this music."
Not just a building. The Square Enix headquarters building.
Xemnas vibes
Me except it was very much like "this music is so pretty, fuck that's a knockback.... *surecasts* f4 in peace now. This song is giving me ideas. Oh I'm dead. This song is so pretty"
it 100% does not match the maniac energy of this final fight....it's perfection xD
OMG THIS IS LITERALLY ME
everybody gangsta till a giant white god with flower motifs falls from a circle on top of tokyo while bells ring
it's been 17 years and I still have PTSD
Anybody who either played Drakengard, or even watched a playthrough, would have absolutely lost their minds after hearing those bells.
The land of the gods keeps pulling us back in...
Shin megami based games also hafe this kinde stuff
The bells....
*THE FUCKING BELLS*
I just saw a let's play but god did those bell make me scream when I heard them in this fight.
God...thank you Yoko Taro for not forgetting us drakengard fans. What a beautiful homage to the drakenneir series.
Drakengard, a good series of games dropped so cruelly
@@TheFevion the third game didn’t help
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@@nineball8193 the third game is extremely laggy throughout the whole game there’s pretty much not a single moment above 25 FPS while making constant sex jokes
Honestly from the start, I was afraid we'd have to fight our red dragon
My soul plummeted from my body when the chimes started.
Same those chimes got us trained to fear them.
and then it was forcefully reinstered into your body by that office building x'D
Plummeted almost as hard as Caim off Angelus's back towards Tokyo Tower.
@@historiabyssus Too soon XD
Whoever decided to play both possessed by disease and kaine- salvation in the same fight is so damn brilliant
Mixed with the FF intro theme
Masayoshi Soken :D
@@Driahva yet another god of music that works at SE
And drakengard theme
@@KiddoBestBoi Drakengard's theme is Growing Wings. The bells are just a callback to trauma.
We must silence the Mother's song once again...
...Goodbye Zero.
AAAAAAAAA ;0;
Why must you do this to me?
Mother is not Zero
Idk about that do you remember the 3 and last ending
@@pablothecoffeelover2551 In the ending that connects to Drakengard 1 Zero is death and so are the other intoners (Except brother One), none of the intoners in D3 are the mother.
The bell chimes from Drakengard 1, boss looks like Zero from Drakengard 3, kaine theme from nier, right?
Imagine having an option to delete one's maxed out class after the raid to help the rest. Glory to mankind!
I mean the boss is clearly 2p with a Red Girl popping out of her head.
But I did at 1st thought it was Zero or maybe even Kainé.
@@skylarnovak6432 What do you mean clearly 2p? She looks like Zero to me, especially with the cloth covering the eye where the flower was.
@@baliche it's literally 2b/p's model with a red girl bursting out of her head
@@baliche the long hair and the flower does make her look like Zero but it's 2P with the red girl head on the side and the False Idol's hair. When you kill her, you get to see her face better and you can see it then :D
Guys, 2P IS zero. Dont you see?
My clueless FC: - Ayo, are we in Tokyo? Lmao
Me, shaking: - Goodness and evil... Silence the mother's song.
I. Hear. A. Sound.
This song plus the complete lack of victory fanfare after the battle.
I haven't played Drakengard or Nier but this just... it hit me hard.
ive done this 4x so far, and last night was the first time i realized there was no victory fanfare at the end
Hope you give it a try, they hit emotional chords in a way other games can't :)
Yoko is known for things not always feeling like pure wins but it's still something of a finality. It's a weird part of his story telling.
There aren't many trials or raids without a victory fanfare and they hit the hardest. From the top of my head, there also is Edda.
@@galloviking4766 yeah
We landed here and before the lady even dropped, my Drakengard memories came back like "Oh, fuck... oh, fuck... oh FUCK WE'RE BACK IN TOKYO!!!"
In Nier universe, Tokyo is equivalent to FFXIV's Amaurot.
@@Laerei does that make queen beast Hydaelyn lol
@@carlos-zy7vx more like zodiark 🤣
@@carlos-zy7vx No, she's either the Doom summoned by creation magic, or the cause behind the Doom's summoning. And that might not even be metaphorical, it's implied that triggering event in Amaurot was that *they heard a sound* that triggered a wave of panic and fear.
@@watchm4ker confirmed amaurotians were all drakengard players, who went crazy after hearing the bells.
How many references can you put in one fight ? Here we have a boss :
-With an entrance similar to Drakengard's E ending
-With an appearence ressembling Zero's final form from Drakengard 3 final boss
-Also feature a head of one of the machine network's administrators in Nier Automata
-Also wearing Lunar tear from the first Nier, which reference Kaine.
-Complete with Kaine's theme with the bells from Drakengard's E ending boss fight
-Include Drakengard 1 and 3 "cursed song" wave of attack.
-Include some of Eve's attack when he use pieces of building to his arms
-And summon the previously mentionned Machine network's administrators from Nier Automata
The WoL canonically sings a duet to defeat a false watcher
Or is it false? Is this how a Watcher is made? Is this the first one? THE FUCKING SEED!
I mean, Junichi Suwabe can sing if it is canon WoL
i headcanon that the WoL is singing Kaine's theme, nuff said :'3
@@sansfangirl4life439 ... Well fuck, it's time to level bard again even though rngsus hates me.
@@blasterman1000 you can do it! owo>
"ISN'T THAT RIGHT, KAINE?!"
"Even if it's pointless we still have to do it!"
*BECAUSE THIS IS THE WORLD MY FRIENDS TRIED TO SAVE!!!*
These lines... these goddamn lines... still make me tear up...😔
I kinda felt this was a sort of love letter from Taro to the early days fans of Drakengard. I was hoping for this to happen, but didn’t really believed it. But then it did, and it was marvelous.
I lived for the music, when I heard those bells ringing I went crazy. Would have loved an inclusion of Drakengard 3’s theme.
I think the mechanics, the exact graphic for the song rings from DoD3, and the fact the final boss is called "Her Flower" is more than enough.
She has an attack that is called the final song. Tbh i have never beaten the final boss in d3, farthest i got was the screen went black and i was so happy then i heard one final ring spawn oh god fuck yoko taro.
Honestly, he still constantly references those games. The logic virus in automata is basically red eye disease, the rain of salt eluded to the grotesquerie queen crumbling and causing white chlorination syndrome, eve had a cult of thre watchers symbol on his chest. Then there's all the connections in the first nier (I still feel halua is essentially a failed skinless watcher)
@@OsnosisBones The Logic Virus is canonically Androids copying the Red Eye disease actually, and majority of the Nier MagiTech were all based on the research humans had that are related to the Queen Beast, Angelus and Caim.
Before the FF theme hit: Okay... Unique take on a final boss bgm
After FF theme hit: why do we live? just to suffer
they played us like a damn fiddle
When I heard the final fantasy turn in my emotions were ran over by the trains
My emotions already got fucked when Kaine's theme played
They did something similar with the Final Coil of Bahamut. No crazy rock music or hard themes. Just you, your raid mates, Bahamut, and a very still version of Answers. Granted the 2nd phase picked up but the gravity felt very similar to me.
@@arcanerune9134 Tempest is pretty nice too
That beginning gave me shivers.. freaking queen beast holy moly...
Is this... the land of the gods?
TOKYO
What is this, this thing? WHAT CAN WE DO?
@@Yukito746 it might be one and the same...
thanks JSDF for dooming the mankind....
@@valravhknight1914 I´ll never forgive the Japanese!
This song literally made me cry during the raid....I'm so satisfied on how this finished out
Thank god, I wasn't the only one. My bf was like "what is wrong with you, lol?" I don't know! It's just beautiful T.T
@@B3R_B0T a beautifull song bro i remenber it
The violins are making it so divine, it’s perfect
I completely lost it on discord when the main theme kicked in. It's really a gorgeous piece.
Haha I couldn't play day 1, but my fc told me that they were excited to play through it w/ me, knowing how much I love Drakengard/Nier. We too talked on discord through it all. When I heard the bells, and we were warped to the city, I screamed on the mic. 🤣
My ptsd kicked in when the theme started
Relatable. We were doing it and I yelled "IT'S THE THEME HOLY COW!"
Then I got a vuln stack (tank privileges)
Same feeling when a friend of mine and I saw the transition cutscene into this fight and we saw the chlorinated Tokyo down below. Hype and chills at the same time.
The real battle was happening the entire time. The "bosses" and "mechanics" were the distraction as the music itself tore away at your HP.
They really brought out the music circles.
safe to say they wanted this 1 to hit on a darker note
@@nodot17 ok that is just evil.
This should be good
No. No. Nononono.
@@AdamG3691 D1 fans be like: *PTSD Intensifies*
I was not expecting to remember Zero in this fight, but fuck was it a good fight
First time I've main tanked a raid while crying my eyes out, great experience
Just did this raid for the first time. When this phase kicked in I didn't realize what song was about to start playing. And then that harp melody kicked in and i felt like my heart had been ripped out of my chest. I didn't think I would end up sobbing actual tears for the entirety of that fight. I'm glad that the mechanics were relatively simple because tears were making it REALLY hard to concentrate, haha.
I said pretty much that in the party chat
Damn hearing Kainé's theme again...hits real hard, i can't wait for the remake to be released
Since Yokotaro couldn't kill the warrior of light, he gave it to 2b and 9s plus that Lalafell.
remember he also threatened to delete the save data of all the servers x'D
@@sansfangirl4life439 He can still do it with the weekly quest
@@OmegaGamer04 true lol
Two SE employees trolling each other with no end Yoshi P and Yoko Taro 😂
@@midlanderhyur6035 i hopw it continues xD like ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman of video gaming lol
Overall pleased with this raid. Nier and Drakengard hommages all throughout. Was a little concerned the final phase would be a rhythm game, bullet hell or visual novel of some sort.
'Jokingly stated' recently announced! NieR Savage raids at the difficulty Yoko Taro wanted things to be
So rarely does a song bring an actual tear to my eye this is an absolutely beautiful song
they added more Gestalt/Replicant stuff than I was expecting into this raid i'm very pleased
and drakengard stuff
They've been doin drakengard stuff since factory with the white ash raining from the sky at the end
In its native timeliness, so devoid of hope, this...THING...was invincible. Its influence meant there was no happy ending, or at least not one that could be achieved easily, or completely.
But this time, it's different.
This is a reality of fantasies that have yet to be final, a reality where mad gods can be thwarted by those with the resolve and skill to protect what they cherish.
Here, a happy ending is possible. Here, the bleak song can be silenced.
Here...
You can win.
The moment the music hits... I started to cry like a baby 😢❤
Yes i Accept this it hitet me hard to self if i hear it now i cant Stop crying
@@Sakura_Arisawa did you get a stroke?lets get you to bed grandma
I’m not familiar with Drakengard, and I really wish I was, but when this played, something about this made me realize that this fight, this song, this entire alliance raid, was something special. Something that, to me at least, demanded respect, not through bombastic motions, but through its solitary nature. This song especially feels…lonely, for lack of a better word. And while a lot of what was presented went over my head, I can tell this meant so much.
You can always learn about drakengard, it's never too late
This song absolutely encompasses everything you'd ever need to know about Drakengard. With the exception of D2, every Drakengard ending always has something horrendous occur despite winning in the end. There is always someone abandoned in the end, either the main character or someone close.
@@mortum_potato6124 but this time the machine life forms, YoRHa and the watchers where stoped before is too late, but in the end even if we win, it doest feel like a victory
@@sophiasantiagogonzalez7608 I really want to play the games, but I can't afford a PS3 atm. Plus Sony is gonna make it impossible to play 3s DLC soon
@@BurningBlood517 pc my dude. Emulate that zhit
I could honestly listen to this all day and never get tired of it. It gives me so many chills.
I was already caught off guard by Emil's song earlier.
This hit me like one of those trains when they showed up the third time and oof I feel it, the Queen Beast Song, Kaine, the FF Main Theme, The Ashes of Dreams and I feel all of the feelings I discovered in each of those songs
wait, when does Ashes of Dreams play in this song?
@@carlos-zy7vx It's more of a callback in the strings during the opening more than actually playing barely there 0:36 but it kinda distracted me at the time since I had heard it before
@@rayjinflo Ohhhh!! thats super nice, nice catch
Isn't this Kaine's theme - Salvation?
Never said it wasn't. It's right there in the orchestrion
Is so weird, final part is a nier automata raid with almost everything being a Nier boss.
Only automata boss if the red girl that you fight multiple times during the dungeon.
and then the last boss is all the ladies mixed, Kaine, 2B and of course Zero. and that is pretty good, is like a love letter to the fans.
You must remeber yoko taro tendency of making all nier lore cannon to the orginal story.
What we know of all the lore is that the red girl survived the paradox virus that as used used defeat her and her clones ,and that her plan to escape earth and her programming still succeeded. (The entire plot of nier was that the red girl didn't want to die,but she could only live so long as she was fighting the enemy. She was trying to evolve and did to expand enemies from just the androids to the aliens who created her and finally all non machine life.)
9s,2b,and a2 got to survive and were rebuilt on the machine ark that was sent to another planet. In the epilogue given at the music concert, there are two canonical endings. One where a2 and everyone dies again, and one where a2 never awakens but 9s and 2b do. Yet they decided to continue to fight to stop the machines.
Thus did the ark land on the first. But by then 9s and 2b were fighting for awhile. In a desperate bid to surpass them, red girl decided to copy 2b by making p2. What's more an army of them to defeat the two. But with our aid even that was stopped. When she was saying we should stop resisting, she wasn't talking to the aliens who just recently popped up on her ship. She was talking to 2b who has consistently fucked up her plans since the start of the 14th machine war.
So where does the Kaine,2b creature come in? Well remember what she was ultimately trying to do was do the impossible. Create life, as a non life form. The only being with memories of a living person both in automata and in all lore besides is A2. She's from a generation of androids that were built using humans memories. And she's the last model. Not even the Ola units have memories since all human era androids were destroyed. A2 memory base was Kaine, a powerful warrior in her own right. And a2 was still in the machine ark defenseless.
The only person to have ever defeat 2b. The only person to have live human memories. The only creature in there machine and android war with true free will, able to live how she pleases. A2 is special. And more then likely she was in the egg. The creature being creatures was to be an amalgamation of the only things that red girl believed had surpassed her. The human android, and the android who never fails to stop plans. 9s has never been objectively special. His hacking is something all s units can do, he's never stopped her plans alone, and his combat skills are inferior.
So with the memories of Kaine, a2,and 2b, the red girl finally creates life from nothing. And it immediately succumbs to the white chlorination. Humanity plan was that by destroying the watchers forces the watcher attack on humanity would stop. But a watcher influence since draken one has been that once it starts it cannot stop.
Once a watcher arrives in your world,your species is doomed unless they are sealed once more. The queen was never sealed. So as long as humans exist ,so to will the queen corrupt them to spread to other worlds and corrupt them.
The red girl immediately took on the traits of a watcher queen. Just like flower zero. She had finally created life based on humans, and it was close enough to be devoured by the queen. It why during the fight it uses true magic, different from the diluted magic that the machines learned from there time on earth. (The red and black orbs.)
But with it's death we assume it to be over. But with 2b and 9s knowing the history of humanity and of that creature,the creature androids and replicates were orginally designed to kill, they knew it wasn't over.
Once a watcher arrives it's to late. All you can do is seal off the infection. And that's what they did. They went back and closed the door.
@@davidforde2507 Damn man, most of the stuff I read about DrakenNier comes off as aloof / pop philosophy "Taro wants you to draw your own conclusion" kinda analyses, and I've only played Automata myself and was kinda disappointed by the story. I don't know anything about the plays and the extracurricular works, but if what you say/surmise is mostly true, then Taro is a better writer then I was giving him credit for. The idea you've posted here is pretty amazing, whether it was Taro's intended work or just your fanfiction. Good stuff! Do you by chance discuss this in other corners of the internet that I can read up more on? Or have a write up of this with citations to the original works?
@@brainfriiz2351 I'll give you that yoko just works with what he made in the present, rather them making some massive narrative from the get go. He admits that ,just as he admits that whatever ending you want is cannon to you.
But objectively speaking even though every drakengard ending is Canon to the player,only one makes nier and the other makes nier 2. And while every drakengard 3 ending is cannon to the player, only one makes drakengard 1.
Every ending creates a new narrative. But specific ones link the games,books, plays,and other media together to create the actual drakenier multiverse. Of which there are only two. One where the queen gets to Tokyo and one where it doesn't. All media fits in draken 1 ending e or d(if I'm not mistaken draken 2 is based on ending d. )
As for links for more info on just a lore guy for games and other media I enjoy and yoko taro makes it a God damn struggle. Currently there are the two plays with unique lore, the 1 time only epilouge a and b for automata that was revealed during the 5th ever automata musical concert in Japan where they got the voice actors to voice the epilogue to ending e( It is revealed they weren't actually resurrected, but rather there code was preserved in the machine network on the ark to be recreated where ever the machine network can create new machines period. ).there is also a lore book,soulcalibur, sinoalice, ffxiv, and it's rumored the nier re-release will have more automata lore.(still working on what the title code is supposed to be if it's even code for something)
Point is while yoko does do things randomly, and he jokes alot,and he adds to a story rather then simply fleshes one out, he never jokes about the additions made to the games he's involved in. The golden rule is if it's a square Enix approved collab, then the lore is real. He was making jokes that p2 was more then just a color swap, but was a "evil" 2b that no one took seriously until ffxiv. Then there is him saying there was one secret left in automata that no one believed until it was found this year by hackers.(there's a level skip during the tutorial at the start of the game that unlocks everything.)
Aa for yotubers to look at? I'm bad with names but I've seen a few videos talking about the connections for nier lore. There's a relatively recent one with this guy who does iceberg videos. Sorry I can't say more.
As for Me I've talked with people who have questions on reddit and the like, but. I'm not a post guy or content creator. I'm just a fan.
@@davidforde2507 fantastic explanation
@@davidforde2507 to ease your suffering a bit that string of numbers along with the ellipsis is the mathematical answer of the square root of 1.5
I love that the first few seconds is a raid wipe hahah
the sheer chaos of the healers raising/lb3 and smn/rdm raising everyone and dying to the mechanic is very "blind run"
Fun fact, the Bosses form Her Inflorescence has design points from both Zero from Drakenguard 3 and Kaine from Nier, so the boss itself is a symbolic link of the two settings. Remember while Drakengard is adjescent to Nier, they are set in different universes connected by the flower and the fact god absolutely hates humans.
Kaine is the reincarnation of the intoner Zero.
There's actually a lot hinting that they might take place in the same universe but at different points in time. Considering Accord is a timetraveler but is mentioned in NieR: Replicant (remaster), NieR: Automata, and of course featured in Drakengard 3 it seems a little odd for it to be different "universes"
i have weird case of Deja vu and PTSD at the same time during this whole thing.
This area is SHINJUKU「新宿」final battle area for dark guard1＆3
Drakengard 3's fight took place in the Cathedral City, not in Tokyo like Drakengard 1.
@@gbtygfvyg The Cathedral City is implied to be Tokyo. I think it was mentioned somewhere that a modern city just magically appeared in the Drakengard world one day in the same calamity that brought dragons and magic into the world, and that city was Cathedral City/The Imperial Capital.
I literally felt like The Weight of the World was on me during this fight(yes pun fully intended) but really knowing that its her theme and having it mixed with The Crystal theme just makes me wanna cry hearing her song and how melancholy the whole thing is.
god when i heard this i was freaking out, they put so much love into kainés theme
a gorgeous loveletter to a franchise that has since risen from it's own ashes, much like 14 no? This raid series is just genius. The melding of two brilliant minds giving us a raid that is rewarding to so many fans. I fell in love with Automata, and through watching playthroughs of NieR and all 3 Drakangard games, i came to love and appreciate all of the games it's connected to. If ever a series deserved a true remake, one to give it the love and respect it truly deserves, it's Drakangard.
Drakangard is a perfect example of something I say often: Games are not made on graphics and gameplay alone. It's the story, the characters, the music...the PLAYERS and the journey you have that truly make a game in my eyes. Drakangard is such a unique game series, and NieR just as much so. Combining these two games feels right to me. And I'm so happy they did these raids.
a series that deserves more love, and this is a fantastic end to a raid series. Thank you, all of you, at Square for this.
I remember doing this the first time. Was under so much stress from real life and in game drama in an fc I was in. But I still wanted to finish this last raid so when it came out I snuck online with nobody around. I played awful I died on almost every boss. But when this song hit I don’t know why it just felt so comforting. I got back on track and didn’t die once to this boss.
I didn’t play ff14 for almost a full year after. Thankfully im in a better place now. Im an officer on a great fc I have great friends and a brand new job.
Kinda unrelated and strange way to see this duty but I just had to share I needed to get it off my chest
My god...hearing those 4 notes in the beginning. If that doesn't bring back memories.
I got chills down my back the instant I heard the bells
I can literally feel my heart clench when the main theme violins drop
This fight was really terrifying conceptually
Why?
@@davidpower5710 I don't know what he meant but when I saw black/white rings my drakengard 1 and 3 ptsd instantly came, thought they'd go with it balls to the wall instead of how simple it was. Just watch drakengard chapter 13 if you don't mind spoilers
@@PolCoolguythanks for the explanation and ya I seen the bs that us drakongard 3 final boss XD
@@davidpower5710 people keep whining about the camera for that fight bit those idiots also dont realize you're not supposed to be relying on sight... it's a rhythm game in the purest sense. Rely on rhythm and hearing
Drakengard 3, I might not appreciate you as a game, but I will forever love your music, also, this is the best rendition of the FF melody I've heard, something about a solo violin playing it is just... hauntingly beautiful
Probably because the gameplay is ass in three, right? After getting into the NieR series, I deliberately looked up the lore for 3 since slogging throughout the game and messy gameplay looked more of a chore than fun.
Gameplay is eh
But everything else is beautiful
It deserves a remake
@@nier_gard9236 I mean the gameplay itself was fine, it was the performance that was the problem. Nowadays you can just play drakengard 3 on an emulator and that will fix a lot of the performance problems including getting the game to run at a smooth 60fps.
This fight was insane. When I saw the transition I made everyone in discord jump by shouting "ARE WE ON EARTH!?" took me a minute to see it was fake. But still, a nice a Drakengard reference.
Coming right out of the Raid and have to go to YT.....Awesome Song
At first I didn't think they kept up the pattern of the last boss being a mashup of songs from both games, but on the second run I finally heard it: the OG Final Fantasy Theme. These mashups are so seamless, it's magnificent.
I love how the violin part @ 2:00 is the Final Fantasy Main theme.
this is such a beautiful remix ;-;
Teared up when I realized what was playing ;-;
I love how they include so many old DrakeNier visual and gameplay motifs into this battle. Like the black and white rings from the rhythm game final bosses.
The realization of where we were and what was happening didn't immediately click into place. But once the music started playing, ONCE THE BELLS KICKED IN, everything clicked and I completely lost my mind... which wasn't good since the boss was also damned hard, heh. This was an awesome fight and an amazing tribute to both Drakengard and Nier. A raid I will never forget.
The harp... my god is it beautiful
I love how this straight up just takes place in the middle of a modern city now.
While the song is great and all, I wish they had actually used The Final Song form Drakengard 3 here. Drakengard 3 has my favorite soundtrack out of the Nier/Drakengard franchise and while I love that they gave us Drakengard fans something, I was expecting the song to turn into the Final Song or some rendition of it for the whole fight.
Although I'd agree, most of Drakengard 3 focuses on the influence of the black flower and the effect it had on the world. The only way I'd see that happening is if they implemented the black flower into the story. And in the timeline that leads up to Nier, all the intoners were already defeated by Zero, thus ending the flower's influence.
This was such a gorgeous track. I'm glad I turned on my music.
the inclusion of the final fantasy main theme is absolutely masterful.
I will never get over watching people getting yeeted into the air by the building it is SO fun to watch
its actually the first time I've notice that people are launched into orbit by the buiding, I have to admit its pretty cool
Sadly, this is happening a lot less nowadays since everyone knows what to do.
@@BradleyMcCloud ... Must... Not... Rescue...
Something about this song fills me with an emotion I don’t really understand. It’s like something’s pushing down on my chest really hard…
...I choked up a little when the fight started.
I know, it's sounds sad and mournful, with notes of hope or longing sprinkled in. I never played Nier or Drakkengard, so I don't know what all this means really, I just know it makes me feel quite a lot. It's absolutely beautiful.
@@Nayukhuut It's a remix of several songs from Nier/Drakenguard, all of them from very poignant moments. The lyrics are from "Kaine's Salvation" and are spoken in "Chaos Language" which is an intentional gibberish with no translations. Fitting with the apocalyptic nature of the Nier series, it's supposed to be a "What would it sound like if millennia after the end of the world all languages like English, Japanese, German, French, Spanish, Russian, etc were all merged by people that really didn't understand what the originals even sounded like."
It's called Kaine Salvation
I swear I felt the _exact_ same way hearing that theme for the 1st time, and that was with like, 0 knowledge of Nier
Nice emil reference
Evil thought just occured: Yoko Taro comes back in a few patches with Her Ultimate Inflorescence, the fight picks up at Her Inflorescence with far more difficult mechanics...and the last 1% becomes a Drakengard style rhythm quicktime event. Even one party member off beat is a guaranteed wipe.
That would be used for griefing unfortunately.
We already have people trolling in the Elidibus fight by not doing the quicktime event.
The problem is, this is the EXACT bull Yoko Taro would pull.
Legit thought for a sec we'd get some drakengard 3 final boss gimmick with this fight lmao. But it was so good, and the theme too.
I mean the name of the final boss is a direct reference to Zero.
I mean, we kind of did, with those rings where you have to turn to match the colors... that can tie your fingers into a knot if you're a melee and trying to do positionals, match colors, avoid cleaves, AND avoid all the other mechanics.
@@phantomdoofer Ah. Someone *else* who did this raid as a Monk. I feel your pain, my friend. @_@
This fight when you're the only person in your friends group whose played the DrakenNier games: Nobody knows the panic of hearing the Queen Beast and nobody understands why you're too busy crying to rez them. Also lots of screaming "Match the colours!"
There... is a whole lot to unpack in this... whoooole raid. I love it!
This is such a beautiful song I love it
Most games would have a fight like this scored with something epic, inspiring.
But here, it's a peaceful, hopeful yet tragic song.
Tragic because this won't save the people who died because of the Watchers' machinations.
Hopeful because we're preventing them from doing the same to Eorzea.
Peaceful because this war is being laid to rest, with victory in our hands after years of devastating, tragic failure. So many have fought the fate the Watchers wish on us, and failed, but here, we have finally *won.* No strings attached. And it feels so fucking good.
God bless Square Enix, God bless FFXIV, and God bless Yoko Taro.
I just spent literally 2/3 of this fight dead because this music had me straight up sobbing
To be fair, most of the alliance spends that amount dead while us red mages are trying to salvage the fight after the 1st mechanic.
"Shadowbringers will have Nier collaboration for Alliance raids"
FF fans: "Nice, we might even get 2B glam :)"
Every yoko taro fan went "Yeah he's gonna shove Drakengard in there somehow"
Yoko taro "I'm gonna expand the Nier /Drakengard relation, in ANOTHER GAME, A N D N O B O D Y C A N S T O P M E"
is this any different from that time he made the automata prequel a screenplay only in japan lmao
ℑ𝔰 𝔱𝔥𝔦𝔰...𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔩𝔞𝔫𝔡 𝔬𝔣 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔤𝔬𝔡𝔰?
Drakengard and Shadowbringers, Watchers and Sin Eaters. It fits.
That scholar in alliance B, and the summoner in alliance C, saved the run.
Blind run :death ppl on floor, beautiful music, ppl desperately figure out the mechanics. This video is gold!!
Had to turn up my tv when I heard that piano
*THE WATCHERS, THEY DANCE*
I sobbed when Kainè started playing.
This Silence is Ours
If someone else is combing the internet, the name of the song is kaine theme orchestra roll
Who decided mjxing the prelude with Kaine is a brilliant genius and a sadistic maniac.
...Yoko Taro, duh.
It's awesome to me how the more important something is to the lore, the less texture work they need to do for it.
I'm definitely getting this music roll, one way or another.
Costs like 2 mil on the MB on my server right now, I’m waiting to get my copy as well
@@Riggs0320 after 7 runs i havent got any orchestrions or hairstyles and i wanna scream lol
I just now realized the Final Fantasy prelude is mixed in with Kaine’s theme song. Like holy shit.
My favorite is on the high note of the song when people get hit by the train it's hilarious😂😂😂
Wasn't expecting such a fun raid with beautiful music, definitely gonna play nier automa in the future
NieR Replicant remake/remaster releases soon, Automata is technically a sequel set thousands of years in the future, but still references it quite a bit
4:08 oof hahahaha 👏🤣
Edit: there's no machines AOE when pillar fall, damn that's hilarious one
I went in blind to the whole thing.....
and i was main tank...
do you know how hard it is to MT when you have this many feels going on at once?
Playing this song while doing house chores.
To my group I was with I’m sorry it’s hard to tank with tears burning your eyes T~T
Same as heal god damned it Burns my Heart away with sadness
For those who didnt seen Her Inflorescence model properly, she looks exactly like 2B, but with N2 head emerging from 2B's, the hair might probably be a reference to Zero and the rest is a complete reference to Drakengard 3, even the bells.
This is the best love letter to Drakengard and NieR I ever seen. The only thing they missed the devs is a final message to the player from Accord saying "Thank you for playing!" and shutting down the screen.
dude i just look at drakengard 1 ending E and now I don't want to sleep
So the red girls became the queen beast?
That's mind blowing!
Genuinely loved the nier raids. Especially this one
Ah, it looks like it's beginning to rain...
No, it's rain all right.
Is summoner supposed to ride their Bahamuth and fly in circles around this boss? :D
nah we leave that up to Estinien and Tiamat, that "Drag-on Dragoon" can probably do better then any player.
I miss this raid and all its music.
The raid where you fail to suplex the train.