Can we turn GERMANY into a NAVAL POWERHOUSE?.....
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- Can I play as Germany in Hearts of iron 4 in the new gotterdammerung Dlc
and get the Naval arms race achievement by destroying the royal navy with an admiral in charge
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Voltaire: Where some states have a navy, the German Navy has a state.
The achievement should've been called: *"Navy with a State"*
So Prussia?
I think that is a path for the US in Kaiserredux funnily enough
I am not sure if it is worth removing the torpedo from the destroyer. It doesn't make the destroyer even 1/10 cheaper (90 production cost, which is basically nothing), but you sacrifice nearly half of the attack power of the destroyer.
Torpedos are bugged on destroyers. They dont work at all. The only torpedos that work in hoi4 are submarine torpedos. I never add torpedos to my destroyers and never have a problem destroying heavy ships
@@TheTurkwithaPerkwhat! I have always gone heavy on torpedo destroyers; this crushes my Italian navy soul
@@maverickgamesalot6968 yeah @counterfactualgaming covers this topic pretty well id recommend watching him
@@maverickgamesalot6968 yeah its honestly pretty annoying. Counterfactual gaming has a video on navy misconceptions and im pretty sure he explains this problem in the video. I would recommend watching him
@@TheTurkwithaPerk I've been spamming torpedoes on my destroyers this whole time for nothing 😅
Some tips for future navy engagements: instead of building new heavy ships, focus on getting 4 carriers out. battleships are good for projecting naval supremacy but pretty much the worst IC-to-stats ratio of any ship type while carriers are probably the highest value. other than that, light attack light cruisers (dual purpose secondary batteries for air defense) and max torpedo destroyers, approximately 2-to-1 ratio. TRAIN THE NAVY before sending them out, the stat boost is enormous. upgrade fire control on all your existing ships (lvl 3 tech is worth rushing). don't engage under red air. set your whole strike force to patrol, not just small destroyer fleets because they'll just get picked off before your main fleet can even join the battle. when sending your ships out, set "automatic split off" to disabled, "engage" to always, "repair" to never - this will enable your navy to chase after the wounded enemy after a successful first engagement, leading to you sinking their entire fleet instead of just a portion and then letting them repair in port. make sure you don't run out of fuel.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I've had some success having quite a few patrol forces on "never engage" and then leaving my main fleet on strike. That way my patrol ships stay alive and find the enemy fleet. If I had the entire fleet as one and on patrol like you suggest wouldn't they have a hard time finding the enemy especially in the pacific over loads of sea zones?
@@Ben-fk9ey true, especially in the pacific, though around the british home islands it shouldn't make much of a difference. I'd suggest a dedicated ship type for patrol forces though, typically a single light cruiser per sea zone with the cheapest gun, and the rest maxed out with floatplane catapults and radar
@@Ben-fk9eyYes. This seems to be commonly missed, but leaving patrol forces on medium risk is a good way to get a lot of your destroyers sunk. They don't need to fight, they need to spot the enemy. Navy is an under appreciated mechanic in this game.
Oh yeah yeah, oh yeah yeah yeah yeah.
@@Zeelandian_Man good old times
just seeing someone playing navy gives me phisychal pain
Xd
Why ?
Not as much pain as someone watching you spell lol.
Playing it so poorly it hurts
@@charley2714it’s just not engaging, at least doing tanks or any land build or even air makes you feel like you did something and has impact, while you can just spam sub IV or naval strike a fleet with air
The reveal at the end gave me a big ole laugh. Nice video!
16:38, I died💀🤣
Send this save to Bittersteel lol
Lmfao
His ships are retreating with full strength, I'm slowly becoming a masoquist while watching this guy doing navy
buildin a bunch of Bismarcks is a lot of fun! (110% true)
As a German East Asia from Kaiserreich player, this is a dream of mine my goodness.
Being able to humiliate a major country's fleet and then invading their mainland with tons of marines? I need to improve my naval game so thanks for the guidelines.
I've started to understand navy in hoi4. Tldr spam destroyers, minmax the highest possible light attack in cruisers and just a few strong heavy attack capitals.
Get a 1:5 ratio of screens to capital, with destroyers as meat shields, cruisers as destroyer killers and capital ships as cruiser killers. Destroyers should focus on torpedoes since they cant get any wortwhile light attack. Or just spam them with just 1 gun. Torpedoes distract screens and deal massive blows to cruisers and capitals if they get through. Cruisers can output the best light attack and are well protected to deal with other screens. Build a couple with max seaplane recon slots for max spotting. They can also serve as lighter capital ships but ideally get battleships for that. Battleships or battlecruisers shred any cruiser or destroyer 1 on 1 but are vulnerable to massed attacks and their cost make them a liability. Battlecruisers are built for speed so they can run from danger but why run if you can win. Anyway reserve them for battles against other capital ships, you can deal tiny blows sinking fleets piecemeal but damaged battleships take months to repair and youll miss the real battle. Carriers ignore all this and their bombers straight deal rng blanket damage on all ships engaged at sea, but as with battleships, have a lot of screens with them because they have no defenses. Preferably you also get some land air support to do maritime recon for spotting and naval bombings to get cheeky hits in.
Isn't german east asia really strong tho?
@rance2799 not from my experience.
As far as I can tell, ever since they lost Indochina as a core, GEA is just there for suffering with little to no factories to produce guns and ships and focuses that take a while before you get rewarded with what you actually need.
When i play Navy, usually make 3 types of Destroyers, Fleet Escorts, Convoy Escorts and Spotter DD. Fleet Escorts will accompany my Cruisers and Capital Ships, Convoy Escorts is convy escorts with strong anti-sub and spotter DD with less attk but high speed with no engagement. Decrypting also works in getting their information.
This!
My Navy Games:
1. Delete all ships in queue
2. Rename the ships how I want them
3. Produce one of each ship in queue
4. Organize/reorganize current navy
5. Strike force mission
6. Hope for the best.
Cruisers have higher spotting then destroyers
@masingjamatia Spotters DD are useless, for a spotter fleet just do cruisers full of catapults.
If you ever do this again, for fun or as a video, you should know that by using the research bonus in the naval tree to rush 40s carrier tech, you can get 4 1940s carriers out and fully refitted by around july of 1940, with plenty of time to fight the british navy and sealion before America joins.
More than likely, these will remain the most advanced ships in the world until the game ends.
I actually just tried this myself nice to see how to actually do it
The thing is navy’s only learn from disaster so they’d need another 100 years of issues
I absolutely recommend getting MrPunk's 'Vanilla Navy Rework' mod. Absolute quality of life enhancer for the navies of the world and a must-have for Navy buffs like me. He also has a submod that focuses on the fighting in the Pacific. And it can work with or without this rework.
My Navy Games:
1. Delete all ships in queue
2. Rename the ships how I want them
3. Produce one of each ship in queue
4. Organize/reorganize current navy
5. Strike force mission
6. Hope for the best.
My go-to fleet and near-meta is heavy cruisers with one heavy gun - restslots with secondarys - then normal light cruisers with as many light batterys as possible - carriers are nice too - then to top it up good destroyers, dont save IC on them, because they will sink all the heavy ships for you, so max them out of as many torps as possible and if you want them multirole just add one depth charge - want you also want is spotting cruiser, light cruisers with radar and as many floatplanes as possible - set them to 1 per seazone and on do not engage - my normal carrier taskforce is 4 carriers - 8 heavy cruisers (you technically only need one per CA) - 20 light cruisers and 40 destroyers - In my US games i sink my entire startingfleet and build 2 of those stacks and around 10 spotting cruisers to dumbster every navy out there.
Raiding with capital ships would catch a human player offguard I'd imagine, at least me, I only use destroyers with anti-sub weapons for escort
How does the AI react?
germany rules the waves, but curt rules the algorythm!
Bismarck class always were cruisers. It was their way of evading the stipulations on max size, had they been SHB’s they would immediately be flagged.
The development produced two blueprints; one to pass the board, one with ‘aftermarket adjustments’; the adjustment being heavy guns. I think they were actually retrofitted. This is why the germans ended up with superfast battleship killers.
This is all off the top of my head btw, might be wrong on details.
I like my cheese moldy bruh
Surprised you even built any BBs. I find CL and torpedo DDs to be far more effective for the cost you put in. The light cruisers deal with the screens while the torp DDs deal with any heavy ships. Also the cruiser commander upgrade is in the same tree as the DD one.
I also prioritize fire control over damage control since you get a large bonus to attack vs a bonus vs criticals which is reducing the chance of a small chance RNG to begin with.
Realistically the fleet you have doesn’t matter, just as long as you have enough torpedos from navs and screening from destroyers, you’ll be fine.
This was such a good video! You rarely see a naval focused HOI4 vid. Can you do a video where you turn a minor nation into a naval powerhouse?!
@just1it1moko thinking about doing a series like that , might start with some bigger nations with small navies first to improve my naval, I.e Soviets
@@CurtwhogamesAustria-Hungary gets really good naval production bonuses. You have limited dockyard potential, though
the roman empire (italy) also had a dominant fleet
Love your stuff keep it up man 💪, all the best from germany
Navy is one of my favourite aspects of the hoi4, without naval bombers, managed to get the achievement few days ago
Austria pushes into germany, like greece joins chinese united front 😂
bro got 0 navy knowledge
Savage
@@Curtwhogameshey for some real advise a navy fleet of mostly destroyers and subs can beat the hell out of the UK, you mostly need to destroyers to just kill enemy subs other than that getting 1940 subs asap even if it’s over 500 days is worth it
@@Curtwhogames did you train your fleet? I saw a green in there, it’s generally a very bad idea and makes the first few engagements unfavorable
Sir, Austria has taken our lands! It's fine, we got an island now
The Austrian unites "the reich" with his homenation, austria, after the coup against him in germany.
I play balanced most of the time, and I have to say that destroyers tend to be useless. I just build a general purpose light cruiser that is capable of attacking submarines if needed, and the same cruisers also command partol fleets (2 cruisers, 10 destroyers) and protect heavy ships (3 light cruiser for each heavy, and then the rest are destroyers) and it works better than relying mostly on destroyers for screening and patrolling.
I have no mouth and I must scream
to understand navy just build subs and destroyers, subs for killing destroyers for defending convoys
Tbh if you rush fleet subs and all the SUBsequent upgrades I.e. anechoic tiles and the airless engines (research fully) you can beat any navy by virtue of them not being able to see you. As long as you put them on always attack.
you could have also gone for some of the naval projects to improve your navy. The prox fuse is wonderful when fighting the british cause it helps against their air and carriers
the missile sub and nuclear missile sub are later game but fun and can be really useful when getting the surprise on enemies
Cruiser and Fleet subs, (and the nuclear sub not the missile one) are wonderous subs with very very little detection while also being able to reach far and do quite a bit of damage
Super Heavy's are expensive and are a 50/50 on whether its worth it. it depends on your industry
A naval germany that isnt a kaiser larp, gotta hunt them achievements.
Any possibilty of modded achievement run?
I have made 4 aircraft carriers with 80 naval bombers in it, 5 or 6 heavy cruisers, 6-7 capital ships and maybe 20 light cruisers, 40+ destroyers with some subs, and just smashed the british royal navy, and i had of course the third naval doctrine .
The aircraft carriers are insane try it
You can get away with 5 carriers with the third doctrine. It makes the overstocking pentalty apply after a 6th carrier is added, so you can add another carrier to the typical 4 carrier fleet
This will be bad yeah, you've got no air there 10:00
Not buying Man the Guns (nave DLC) was the best decision in my life
You couldve gotten at least on good carrier out tbh. You get on 20% finnished carrier and one focus before a 100% research reduction for carriertech - 1936 carrier in 67 day researched. Also navbombers would have helped you a lot.
The real question is why didn’t they have five tank divisions on every tile like they did last time I tried to sea lion
North doesn't seem as bad, they soon mobilised to try and push me out and almost succeeded
I'm trying to build navy with china and this will surely help me alot
Just noticed that stability💀
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TIL most people waste their IC and exp on making marines for sea lions. Meanwhile i just use my 10 kmh normal tank divs with like 9 opel blitz and 4 med tanks or whatever and blitz through the uk from dunkirk to london adjacent 😅
Great video
Thanks!
Try the vanilla naval reword mod, it makes the ai design realstic ships and fleets, so naval can actually be fun
it is more fun without DD when you sumk the entire royal navy with a fleet of only 20 or so ships is just epic
I know the trend is the Gottermung dlc, but can you please play the Old World Blues Mod?
Kriegsmarine become Fuhrermarine
Curt, can you turn the united Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania into the Naval Powerhouse without joining any alliance? You may choose communist focus tree to print manpower with the "İdeological loyalty". İt still allows to nationalise all of the Polish cores, but it will take more time, comparing to monarchist focus tree of Lithuania, well it is the only Baltic country, which can nationalise Polish cores.
Main issues: lack of manpower, lack of resources (you have to buy them from Sweden mainly or USSR), lack of dockyards and geographical place between the most powerful countries of 3rd Reich and USSR.
Possibly , I'm planning on doing a few majors first to get the real hang of it but could potentially be a series in the future
You can. At the expense of the land forces.
Iv been trying to german navy but i keep forgeting to do navy things
Navy is very fun
I was expecting Karl Dönitz to be the new leader after the coup d'etat. I'm kinda disappointed ngl
Erich Raeder was Grand Admiral. Why would you expect a lower ranking officer to assume leadership?
It would be interesting to see if you could recover the lost German territory? Why did Austria go to war with you?
Fell off ngl
oppose mr H. u lost me in the first min. how am i supposed to do this with my friends?!
What music are you using? Is this the original HOI4 Soundtrack?
I like naval games
in hoi4
You sound like that guy from the IT Department or what that British comedy series is called
Moss
@@suffiannahzeri9034yes!!
Put your navy on always enange
Your ship designs are awful, this was funny to watch 🤣
Can you turn the soviets in a naval powerhouse please 👋
@@Vokuud oooooh I like that !
@Curtwhogames and get revenge against Japan for Tsushima 👀 and defeat the kriegsmarine
Hes one of those 100 people from all of Hoi4 that understands the Navy
There’s a navy?
No he’s not, he’s absolutely terrible at it
@@JDothan what is then the rest
Although navy is indeed very boring (and complicated, I bet that's why), this was a very nice run. Seems every HOI4 video is just exploiting and do some insanity shit that would just never fucking happen in real life, that video was a respite from that.
yes
Completely fictional. Neither Reader nor Doenitz would have started a war with the Uk at any point in time. Many officers of the kriegsmarine felt the same way about WW2. They hated it. They had friends in the British navy as there were lots of exchange programs and sport competitions e.g. sailing that were hosted by both countries. Most officers of the Kriegsmarine knew about the British supremacy on the seas while knowing that their own ships and technologies were lacking and leaving a lot to be desired.
do you need the new dlc for this?
👍
One thing that really helps with navel superiority is having good intel on your enemy. U should have made an intelegence network and got spys in uk. 😶🌫️
They were never super heavy.
Does anybody know how to stop the German AI somehow from overproducing navy to like 2 mil. mp?
This is actually painful to watch
Be honest, you just tag switched and deleted the Royal Navy after losing that many destroyers.
Was on iron-man for the achievement 😉
@@Curtwhogames Ok?
So I couldn't of tag switched
@@Curtwhogames Yuh huh.
@@superduper3722bruh
The level of hate on this video when most of you don't know the full range and power of navy (or all the little ways it works that affects everything) is insane. stop whining and complaining. I don't see any of you making a video correcting him, not that you guys know what you're talking about. give the man some props for even attempting this in the first place. most wouldn't even bother.
Or, provide feedback when someone is giving objectively terrible guidance?
you.. know how to play navy....?
Just watching like you prioritize your resources towards navy over your air and land froces make me want to puke on the floor
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FINALLY A GERMAN NAVY GAMEPLAY