Schizophrenia and Narcissism
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- Do people with Schizophrenia suffer from narcissism? A study found from MIT says so. But if all of the schizophrenia symptoms revolve around our sense of being is that really our fault? When is it ok to be concerned with your own self-being? And when is it not? Find out Michelles' opinion on this episode of Schizophrenia And The City.
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Having been raised by a paranoid-schizophrenic parent, it's very difficult for me to not see their behaviour as inherently selfish. "Everyone is against me", "everyone is plotting against me", "everyone is out to get me" and so on. If I ever came to her looking for help or support with my own challenges or looking for help, she incorporated that into her narrative "They're trying to get to me through my child". It was exhausting and traumatising and I felt like I didn't matter, and still feel like that to this day. Maybe it isn't narcissistic in the traditional sense, but it sure as hell felt like everything had to revolve around her and none of the rest of us were important other than as bit-players in her own life-story.
If you grew up under the roof of someone who met the criteria of a narcissist you'd experience a different kind of suffering. Neglect and a bad case of imposter syndrome. Although, that sounds equally exhausting. At least we live in the age of information and I'd like to believe younger generations will be able to identify and learn coping skills for the environments they're growing up in. 🤞🏻
I think they play hand and hand. My mom is a paranoid schizophrenic. I also think she's a narcissist. She is incredibly ocd. You will never be good enough. She always has to make herself look good and everyone is out to get her she is obsessed with me. And she will be little me in front of others
Me me me me me me me me mee me meeeeeee. If that's they're tune, they're a *NARCISSIST* . This chick proves it LOL. Admits that her delusions of ppl talking about her aren't real, but said she doesn't want to be self centered, yet doesn't see she just solved the problem and said she was going to continue to narc out some more lol. It's admitting schizophrenia is narcisism without admiting it's narcissism. Few Psychologists don't talk about how narcissism and schizophrenia are hand in hand. It's a selfish need to be in a constant altered state of reality because they can't deal with real life. Ever see a schizophrenic say "talk about yourself, It's not about me". Yea, I rest my case lol.
The narcissistic abuse comes from people who are diagnosed with schizophrenia. What does it mean? What comes first ?
The true hallmarks of narcissism are a lack of empathy and exploiting others for personal gain. The vanity component of narcissism involves one creating a false self that exists to impress others, but does not reflect the authentic self.
@@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye Then please explain what it is in layperson’s terms…not the DSM checklist.
I think being bullied and trauma can also cause us to think people are whispering or talking about you
Totally agree! I'm from Bama too btw! ❤😊
It's more like trauma
I think the abuse, manipulation, lies, desires to hurt others factors are important in diagnosing a narcissistic personality disorder. It is not impossible for someone to have multiple diagnosis so not out of the realm of possibility. You know when you are dealing with a narcissist primarily from the manipulation and abuse
2 minutes into this and I can see a spirit of offense and defense. The most difficult thing for narcissists to do is to acknowledge they have a problem.
Let me backtrack a bit... my fiance has schizo-effective disorder which involves extreme aggression, paranoid delusions and persecutory delusions , and he is also a narcissist.
In spiritual terms narcissism is also known as a Jezebel spirit. I don't think you can generalize and say all people who struggle with schizophrenia are narcissists, but I also used to think people with schizophrenia aren't aggressive, until I saw in my own fiance that his illness can look very much like the scary movies people have put out there about people who struggle with it.
Narcissism has a lot of different facets. Not just selfishness. Narcissistic behaviour actually forms when a person feels the need to express themself because they've grown up not feeling properly heard or understood. Which I can imagine someone with schizophrenia could feel like. As a result of that they focus more on themselves.
Narcissism is very subtle initially... but once you're aware of it you can't unsee it. And the only way to help a person who struggles with it is if they are able to admit that they have those tendencies.
Narcissism looks like: blameshifting, gaslighting, pathological lying, lack of empathy, victim mentality, silent treatment, intimidation, putting loved ones down to make themselves feel better about themselves, threats, flying monkeys. In a nutshell it is insecurity trying to mask itself as boldness. Narcissistic people try to control and manipulate people through those different ways. It can also involve unhealthy sexual behaviour and they can also use charm as a means to control.
I only started to notice my fiance's narcissism when it came time to administer his tablets. Around that time he begins to spit his tablets out, and then lie about taking them. If I catch him in the act he starts with intimidating and threatening behaviour. He starts raising his voice, swearing at me, blameshifting and gaslighting, and the list goes on. Lately he has also been extremely abusive physically. Anything to try to make me scared and live on eggshells so that he can have his way. Its extremely toxic, but yes, I do believe that I see a connection, at least with him I do.
That’s an amazing analysis, and as a narcissist I found it quite illuminating and accurate…. God bless you with your relationship….it sounds rough. I guess I’m one of the lucky ones…I realize I have the condition, want to improve…and do the work. It’s a daily grind.
Newly diagnosed here. I cant help but see similarities between the two. I'm always kicking my own ass. I'm always going back to my past and picking myself apart. I try very hard to act "normal" in public, and fail miserably, know I am, and get stuck in my head about it. Your right though, it is a torture we do to ourselves and its out of our control, or so I think this early into the diagnosis. Sure, I wanna be liked, sure, sometimes my behavior doesn't match who I am, but when your scared nobody likes you basically, I at least try to fix that. It often catches people off guard with my politeness and my manners. I doubt you'll find any who are truly people that don't need human interaction. And even though I know I'm a likeable guy, too me, I'm never enough for anybody.
About your merch. I wanted to buy the "I have a mental illness, but I don't kill" shirt, but its not completely true for me, being a fishermen and a hunter. Any chance you can make one that says the same thing, but you know, with the word murder? Because I certainly don't do that. Haha
I'm taking care of an elderly family member with schizophrenia and he has something where he actually only ONLY THINKS ABOUT HIMSELF. There is nothing else there. I'm trying to understand. It's very painful. Anyway I don't think you have the self centered complication because you sound like your trying to incourage others to love themselves. The self centeredness in my dad does not look like narcissism to me. There is just nothing else at all in his brain only himeslf😔. I have known other people with schizophrenia that were not self centered like that. (Everyone thinks about themselves and to some extent you should think and care about yourself!). ❤🙏 sending love your way! Thanks!
Narcissist's also have beliefs that they're better than others, and generally lack empathy, and struggle to reflect feelings back to others. They feel they deserve things/attention/praise. NPD is a difficult disorder to live with, but it's certainly not schizophrenia. I assume they could overlap but they're not inherently connected.
So if I stop thinking about myself I'll stop being schizophrenic? It's perfectly possible a personality trait like narcissism and a disease like schizophrenia have overlap. Like if you're severely dehydrated you start to hallucinate. Are you telling me I should just drink more water and I won't be schizophrenic? The real question is if these people who wrote the article somehow treated a schizophrenic solely by working on their Narcissim. No meds nothing else just focus on narcissism. Honestly articles like this put the blame of schizophrenia on the person like it's their fault. That is so toxic.
The thing is narcissism cannot be cured, neither can schizophrenia. And the schizophrenic is in someway self centered because he thinks about himself and not about how his behavior impacts others, but he cannot change that due to the illness. The narcissist also cannot change it neither can he see that he has an issue, because all the others are at fault if he has a problem. He never is the problem. Still it could be possible that some schizophrenics are narcissist and that some narcissists develop schizophrenia. Would be a very interesting study subject.
I’ve got schizophrenia and I’m mainly thinking focused on my self. I fractured my skull a few years ago with the delusion that if I knocked myself out it would release more love from my heart for others. It didn’t just caused myself to nearly die. See it’s about me 😂 it’s something to do with blunted emotional affect
I think there's a difference between hyper-focus and narcissist personality. I think one of the difference is the ego. You are not putting yourself above anyone, blaming others for things that you are responsible for, or believing that you have a greater than average intelligence. Schizophrenic people tend instead to hyper-focus, in that they worry about what is happening to their body. Wondering about everything that feels out of the"norm" . The idea of paranoia is another example. We think that things are being said about us. All are negative feelings. we feel shame, guilt, and attacked. Narcissists want attention, it's all about them. We want to crawl into the corner and be invisible.
I see your perspective. I often wanted attention, because I was crying for help.
One of the delusions people often have Is that they have super powers. Personally I felt everyone else had super powers and I was the only person without them. Is that narcissistic?
@@nishantsharma936 I wouldn’t say so
My brother suffers from schizophrenia and Marijuana abuse, and try to manipulate me and my mother, is this some kind of narcissism
Yes my sister was a really Narcissistic child and she got schizophrenia
Schizophrenic are not narcissist but alot of narcissists develop schizophrenia over time cause the way they see themselves or the way they want to be is so far from the reality
For example my brother is a narcissist he thinks he is the smartest person in the world and he is the most beautiful and when he went to college and just bumped into the reality that he is not the smartest nor the girls love him the most he started just in delusions that you might think that he is just lying but he wasn't lying he actually believed it and the delusions developed to schizophrenia and his wjolw disprder is about being the center of the world and how he is the smartest
When you really look deep into both disorders they share some extreme similarities when they're each at their worst. I became aware of the similarities after going through two God awful relationships involving narcissistic individuals back to back, the first being a 3 yeatmr relationship that left me and my 10 month old daughter at the time with only a handful of items and the second being a friendship who was supposed to help me get away from relationship number 1 LOL, left me with absolutely nothing aside from the clothes on my back. Having schizoaffective disorder myself I'm pretty familiar with the symptomatology, and while living with this ex friend I noticed a lot of myself In her. I know I said they were both narcissists but tbh I don't know that for sure about the girl who used to be my friend because her brand of toxicity was so aligned with that of covert narcissism and but also could be explained by psychosis. I guess it comes down to if they deep down know their delusions are lies or if they truly believe them. They both are pathological liars and both would create completely fictitious outrageous stories when they did something bad and knew they fucked up and rather than owning up to it would make a story in which they were the victim that would be "more important" than what they did to wrong me. But their tactics were slightly different, hed do it in an extremely aggressive accusatory way and she would create a separate story in which she was the victim of some elaborate crime against her. after time when I stopped seeming interested in her victim stories she'd get increasing suspicious and paranoid about me which eventually resulted in her stealing a bunch of stuff from me "to get back at me from stealing from her" and kicking me out and blaming me for all these things she did. They both would spend a lot of time trying to "solve the puzzle/mystery" if whatever they were paranoid about, but his were more digging to find dirt on me to use against me or something that would prove his allegations of me cheating, hers were more bizarre. When she's get bad she'd spend days in her room combing through files on her computer looking for evidence of her ex "hacking her" and would shut off all the electronics in the house bc "hacking". She made us all pack and leave because she thought there was a bomb that was about to detonate In the laundry room. Her behavior could very easily be explained by schizophrenia, the part that makes me question it is how when she'd do something that I'm sure she knee was wrong there was always a story created that made her the victim of the whole thing rather than the one who should be held accountable. She did seem markedly more empathic than my ex aside from when she'd get vengeful over nothing. I guess it comes down to if she truly believed all of these things she was making up or not and to this day I'm not 100% sure if she did or if it was all lies. I still feel weirdly guilty for going jo contact on her it hurts I thought she was a friend and I still miss the weird fun times we had :/ I wanted to see her succeed but then again I guess that's usually how narcissists can leave you feeling. Shit dawg I know I'm rambling, Im just friggin broken after these two and have been hella contemplative on life lol
❤ I know what you’re talking about. Thanks for sharing. What you call rambling was an important piece of the puzzle helping others see that they’re not alone in the torture of relating to someone with this painful condition.
I have family that is schizophrenic.
Then I met my ex, a psychopath/covert narcissist.
She was/is with a malignant narcissist.
Long story short, the psychopath told me they were single, we dated, then I found out she HADN'T broken up with her partner like she originally claimed. 🙄
Anyways, reason why I'm mentioning this is because the malignant narcissist partner and my schizophrenic family member were very much alike to me.
But it was different as well.
My schizo family member is paranoid, impulsive, always the victim or clueless when happenstance is caused by them (almost like a "oh I lent my friend money, but now I'm out of money. I'm short 10% of my rent this month. What do I do??? Type of thing").
The difference was they had episodes and saw hallucinations, etc.
Sometimes their happenstance (problems) happened because of their episode, so you couldn't really blame them.
Meanwhile, the malignant narcissist was also paranoid but more in a pychosis kind of way.
Like, "you are cheating on me, aren't you? I know you are!" but they also were way more low self esteem too. Way more than the schizophrenic.
Like, they needed their ego kept up by compliments 24/7. They couldn't go a day without someone complimenting their hair or saying they looked good, etc.
They needed people around them to boost their ego and self worth.
While, the schizophrenic didn't need this but just wanted you around cause they had a problem and needed you. Not so much to tell them they are beautiful but to tell them life advice.
The other difference was when the malignant narcissist was mad, they were yelling in your face. Screaming. And wouldn't stop until you cried and they felt like they had won or got their way, somehow.
It was always about the narc and their point of view and getting their way. They way/view mattered the most. Always.
Meanwhile the schizophrenic, like the story above, was paranoid their ex was hacking them through a computer and so turned everything off and made you leave the house so the aliens didn't get you.
It was more psychosis in a paranoid sense, but it made sense because you understood they were acting this way because they had a mental disorder.
At the time I was dealing with the malignant narcissist I didn't know what a narcissist was, I knew whatever it was wasn't schizophrenia though, but it was similar to it.
I then realized the 2 main differences between the 2 were:
-schizophrenic acted out due to episodes/mental illness, while narcissist acted out due to low self esteem, need for validation, attention, and entitlement.
-the schizophrenic was more "normal" and the narcissist was this "me, me, me" way.
It was personality.
This is my experience between the 2.
@@specialtwice4975 It's amazing to me to realize how many of us have suffered from the same crazy-making scenarios! I used to think I was the only one. Thanks for sharing some of your experiences, and described so well, too. :) 🙏❤🩹👌
I get it. Life is hard. Especially when you go through bad break ups. Whether they are romantic ones or just plain friendships. I've been there. I will tell you now that God has a plan for your life and your baby's life too! If you will put Him first and accept His son Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior if you haven't already, then your life will change for the better in no time. He will make a way for y'all and provide. He is a faithful and true God and He loves y'all so much! Always pray and keep the Faith and you'll never regret it! You are special. You are loved. You are you and there's no one else like you in the world! Stay strong and positive! You've got this! And y'all will be in my prayers too! ❤
My son has been recently diagnosed with schizophrenia and all he does is talk about himself, but never is able to see how his behaviours impact on others. All his delusions centre around false or exaggerated claims of grandeur. I miss the old him, I feel like his self obsession and lack of empathy is exhausting.
It’s heartbreaking that he sees his own needs at a times, he can’t be self reflective only delusional.
I don’t know how to be in his life anymore.
Schizophrenia can be comorbid with narcissism. It is also not narcissists' fault that they are narcissistic, it is not fun to be a narcissist too. I don't understand what is wrong with being self-centered if it doesn't negatively affect other people.
I can understand and agree that the self-centered delusions, paranoia and hallucinations are torture. That said, the claim isn't that a person with Schizophrenia also has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Everyone has some degree of Narcissism, but Schizophrenia seems to result in your subconscious being heavily self centered and thinking of yourself as someone worthy of being talked about or spied on or being a god (just to take stereotypical delusions). You are not consciously controlling that. But there is definitely something in your mind at an uncontrolled level that has that inflated ego that makes the delusions about you.
Technically I think delusions are a bit narcissistic because there out to get “me” I don’t like the fact but I feel paranoid delusions are a bit of “narcissism” I don’t think it’s self admiration tho I think it’s self hatred and isn’t narcissism not the persons fault isn’t it a disease too idk I kinda believe the study but it’s slightly twisted because it’s not fun being paranoid and delusional I’m on the fence on this one tbh
I see what you’re saying.
Maybe. Some of the people I know with schizophrenia feel compelled to write memoirs and the like all about themselves and their experiences. Is journaling a little narcissistic? Hmmm maybe
I have schizoaffective disorder and it’s hard to deal with. We are strong. I hate the delusions the most. I have also had hallucinations which many times scared me. I saw a grey man with a grey shirt and black pants. He came up behind me and grabbed my leg and it scared me so bad. Hold your head up girl!
A lot of mememeememememem. and the self urgency, and self importance. Doesn't have to be positive things about yourself. Just things about you. It is draining.
Narcissim is more complex than just inflated admiration of self. It's a person who is empty and worthless overly focused on trying to prove they are worth something by prioritizing themselves and their interests at the cost of other peoples boundaries and needs. How I feel it ties in with schizophrenia is when a person who is paranoid schizophrenic gets triggered by feelings of inadequacy stemming from not fulfilling their childhood development in a healthy manner. A narcissist needs to prove they are better and needs to feel like they are better or else they feel like they are worthless when you are paranoid schizophrenic on top of that it would cause you to constantly reflect on those feelings on just not being enough.
I think the paper is talking about ego boundaries being disturbed due to an underlying insecurity, low self-esteem, or trauma leaving oneself a little at ease with the world. Paranoia isn't always "bad" since it may be a reaction to a pattern of abuse or distrustfulness anyway.
I think you may be describing a grandiose narcissist. Apparently at the core of narcissism is insecurity. From the knowledge I have gained, grandiose narcissists compensate for that insecurity by acting and thinking they are much better than they are. It is like a coping mechanism but people may also confuse confident people who just like to share things and be an inspiration to others as being self-centred too.
People interpret others in different ways. That's why I no longer care what people think because the people who know me, love me and would never backstab me but the people who can be easily manipulated by others (especially by narcissists) didn't really know me in the first place so I let the trash take itself out. At first, I was hurt by the betrayal but now I see narcissists as doing me a favour because they are cleaning up my friend / family circle for me and I no longer have to waste my TEEEAM (time, energy, effort, emotions, attention and money) on them. I know they talk about me. So what? I don't have an emotional attachment to them anymore anyway. Let people go with love, light and distance and your paranoia may not have as much control over you. X
I certainly don't admire myself. I am very focused on what I say and how I act but that's about it.
The schizofrenic person can be egocentrical in the way they try to pull others into their delusions. They can force the outside world to believe what THEY believe. In this way, you can see it as narcissistic. Some people with schizofrenia or schizotypical pd do this. In your case its maybe different, but i know a guy with schizotypical pd (who believes in some sort avatar/matrix world, in wich he has spiritual love relationships with woman and is an all knowing guru who must heal and save the world). He manipulates the womans into real contact, by using this magical twin flame connection in the spiritual realm as a tool. His delusions (in wich he really believes its the reality) are egocentrical. I think the article is about S people who force the outside world into getting into their delusions as well, not about you suffering from the illness and talk about that, for example. That are 2 different things. When someone misuses the delusions for personal gain, while not caring or acknowledge this cause damage to the other, than there is an narcissistic element in this. You see this in religion conversion as well. Narcissism is often co-morbid and for sure can exists next to schizofrenia. Thank you for bringing up the subject, i hope you feel less hurt by the implication that you as sufferer of schizofrenia are narcissistic, because off course it is not always co morbid ❤
Honestly I’ve been studying intensively on this and I realized schizophrenia is like is group of people who can relate but still have there on life (obviously) that’s why I do believe people can become narcissistic . But honestly it’s usually not I do believe at least for me with my episode it could be extreme narcissism or extreme self hatred . But I personally just love me so I’m happy no matter what so fuck the studies as Popeyes said I am what i am
Personality disorders happen to all types of people.... narcissists don't want to face themselves and would rather blame others... narcissists will attack others for bringing to light the person's defects of character. Narcissists will not tolerate others pointing out accountability.
Do you think it is crucial to be on medications if you have paranoid schizophrenia?, my body gets very tired and I get very depressed on them. i dont feel too much change on them and without them, i guess the troubling thoughts do go down a bit. I havent been on medications for 10 months now, but i get heart and brain problems on them and I do NOT like that. Trying to do this only with meditation and connecting the dots.
I think it’s up to the person. There are so many meds to choose from that you can probably find one that works. I went through many medications before I found a combination that worked for me.
@@SchizophrenicNYC Okay yeah thank you, they keep telling me to try and find the right one but I have done several.. hmm I´ll think about it thank you.
This also applies to Bipolar
Narcissism and schizophrenia are two completely different things. You are an intelligent lady, and there is a lot of wrong information on the Internet. A couple of days ago, I happened to watch a video of a physician giving totally wrong information about psychiatric medication. The online stuff at times is totally wrong and inauthentic.
Thank you for calling me intelligent
@@SchizophrenicNYC You are!
My ex had drug induced delusions that even after his federal incarceration, still believes I was trying to poison him and his dogs.. I killed his mother... cheating in the house while he was home because he "heard me"...
Yet... He was cheating. Lying. Poisoning me.
He was a nightmare.
I’m sorry that happened to you
Pathological narcissism is not what you read as the definition. That is the non psychology related stigma "definition", not narcissism they talk about when they relate NPD to psychosis.
I have dealt with my wife's Schizophrenia now for more than ten years now. She has gotten to the point where she cannot
go to bed because the demons ha infected it she cannot wear pajamas etc. etc. etc.
We have bee through 3 houses and several cars, all of which have been demon infested. She has never said that WE are being attacked. Just that SHE is under attack. We are currently separated and all of the decades that I have spent working for us mean nothing. Evidently I have another family somewhere else, or I'm gay and have a boyfriend. or maybe i am the one who is listening to her her phone calls. So are Schizophrenics narcissists ? YES.
Yeah but, if the person is treating you like shit, that's no reason to excuse. The mental illness has nothing to do with how a person treats another. A person can have a mental illness and still be a good person. If someone is judging another on what they did in the past, then I deserve to learn and leave.
I think from your description, you're not a narcissist. TBF, I don't think people w NPD "want" to have that either, but it's different than schizophrenia. I do think there can be overlap between narcissism and delusions of grandeur for some people though. My mom refuses treatment and has only ever gotten any in a few days of involuntary hospitalization. Her psychosis involves hallucinations and extreme delusions of grandeur where she also thinks she's better than others and constantly puts everyone else down. She talks shit on other people with mental illness including me constantly and can be quite cruel. She ironically talks about multiple people she's encountered who deal with very similar psychotic symptoms as her and says horrible things about them, talking about how she's special and they're basically crazy scum. She cannot handle even the smallest disagreement or criticism- not just of delusions but literally anything. I've met others in psychosis who don't do this. And these behaviors are similar to someone with npd (and no psychosis) that I dated once. So I think it really depends on the person.
Also, I have OCD and a lot of stuff you talk about is similar to obsessions and ruminations i have (obsessing i have severely harmed or will harm others, etc.) It's hellish and I imagine it's hellish for you in your own ways. I hope you're able to find moments of peace through all of this. Internet pop psychology is always reductive and problematic. I hope you don't take it to heart because you don't seem narcissistic to me at all.
Thank you. And thank you for sharing about your mom.
I really love that you're aware I don't know if most schizophrenics are aware or just diagnosed I have met a lot of skitzofrenix in my life from what I remember they are empathetic just extremely cautious and most time won't even show you the empathy it doesn't mean it's not there I want this video to find out if my ex somehow has the combination of both I was raised by narcissistic parents And i always think I was a narcissist even though everyone told me I wasn't. Which is kind of how that works I'm still trying to figure out the thing that makes me find most everything and everyone boring even when it's tons of fun sorry for the long comment but I always see people who are mental health professionals diagnosed but never self aware but you I are head you figure out what to do
I think I was raised by a narcissistic family im not sure... I am diagnosed with schizophrenia .. i dont know if it is real?.. i am afraid i am a narcissist sometimes, maybe Im a apathic empath? i dont know.. My parents seem to forget I have schizophrenia or maybe they are boycotting me? i dont know, but sometimes i do get good conversations with them but most of the time it feels like everyone ignores what I have to say or shuns me down or talks over when I say something... its like that around my family at least and it gives me thoughts of if they are plotting against me or something i dont know. Deep down i keep thinking Im living in a simulation and everyone and everything hears my thoughts and sees what I see, I dont want to believe that but it really takes a toll man. I dont know what is real, the way the world is going, i feel like I have a mission to save the world. idno... Im paranoid schizophrenic they say, but is it just trauma and we think too much?, are the medications that they give us pushing up more voices and troubling thoughts?, i havent been on medication for 10 months now. I dont want the medications, each time they tell me I have to be on medications I keep thinking they are trying to get me to die from them because i get heart and brain problems on them. Hopefully I will get an apartment soon, but then I will think am I delaying my earths mission? or what the fk is going on? will I be murdered in my apartment?
Im chill many times tho, but I keep thinking many people are plotting against me, nothing seems to be working out, I wanna go to the spirit world man that would be sweet... I love that place. But I cant do that. I have to fulfill my lives purpose. I have done some bad things in my past, I hate those things but it doesnt define who I am today, I do better, I am a good person, but sometimes I doubt that. I have good friends too, but I think sometimes they are lying to me but it cant be... Imagine being born into a family where it was plotted from my birth to make me sick? idno.. drives me nuts.
I used to think I’m a narcissist, but I got schizophrenia, but it’s probably my schizophrenia trying to fix myself
Short answer to the thumbnail: yes, absolutely, it can happen but when or if you're relating to them u might not be aware of it till later.. I think deeper level we all retain self awareness even is less maybe or more than others.. but we are still responsible for effects on others and both these things can get mixed together which came about first though if any and does one predispose to the other!?
i think that study is false.from mit.
That they are wrong?
@@SchizophrenicNYC yes
No, narcissism and schizophrenia go hand in hand. Tf you talking about?
Look hard for how you experience your feeling, yes narcissists have feelings. The disorder blocks feelings at the cognitive impulse stage. Wanting new friends in a controlled environment to avoid confusions is a flag.
My schizophrenia can be very self centred.I often have godlike delusions and my voices are often really positive. This could just be more of my personality though I didn’t have any episodes till a year ago and I’m a 30 year old male who was over confident before
What do you think was the tipping point?
@@SchizophrenicNYC the tipping point for me is that I would trick myself into thinking I was asleep but in reality I’d be up for 7 days at a time. I thought it was bipolar and just an isolated incident but it happened two more times 3 hospitalizations in total. Psych ward twice. Partially genetic and probably didn’t help that I recreationally used mushrooms and weed. I’m on good meds now though but I have some extra weight to lose that I gained on olanzepeen
@@calebmurphy297 sounds like you’re doing much better
@@SchizophrenicNYC thanks I definitely am. I want to do a video or something once I’ve lost the weight from meds to show others that it is possible. I haven’t seen much on UA-cam that shares my experiences with schizophrenia and medication but it was awesome seeing your experiences and seeing that I’m not alone
Narcissism is more than what social media is talking about.. vulnerable narcissism..is present itself in its own way...for example.. deep dive to understand it.
Your example is to deep dive to understand it?
I swear to God I literally just had this conversation with my best friend of I don't know since we were seven and we're 39 now yeah on fucking point
How Narcissist are mean and damaging to others might correlate to psychosis of not trusting others
I see what your saying
Most of my family is paranoid narcissis, no narcissis love admiration from others , we should talk.
I feel that everyone is narcissistic . I know that I am because I the things I do to look good and feel good and my feelings get hurt when people talk about me
With me my hallucinations are personal attacks on me but like they will tell me things like everyone is dead and that the devil is using their vessel/body to try and trick me and that there is this huge finale planned where i am going to face crucifixion
It's when a narcisist has to always be right and put others down...
So I have schizophrenia and my therapist says I have no narcissism in me I see narcissists as lame but I see Machiavellian as very cool because a Machiavellian has the self esteem that a narcissist does not have and they do not need other people to admire them as the narcissist needs people to admire them so I would like to be a Machiavellian
What brought me to this video is that my schizophrenic gramma is living with us, but she always seems to be in a constant state of withdrawal and apathy. All she seem to care about it going back home, but she's incapable of taking care of herself which is why she's here in the first place. Her biggest delusion seems to be that there was nothing wrong with her home life despite the fact everything was wrong. She never locked the door so any Joe Blow off the street was coming in and robbing her blind. She compulsively spends her money wrecklessly on stuff she doesn't need. She never bathes unless we pressure her to. She does seem very self centered, and every time I try to talk to her, she either ignores me or brushes me off. I could tell her there's a fire, and she'd probably just sit there. My family is at their wit's end, and I'm just trying to find anything that can be of help. All I know is the tip I got to "not sound angry," is extremely difficult for me because I hate being ignored.
People greatly missunderstand narcism. Dont fret it. People are dumb
It’s not the same as a narcissist…and I would ignore those people
They say we have grandiose delusion. I don't feel grandiose at all. Everybody makes me feel like shit.
There are many types of reasons people are focused on themselves. For example, you seem to want to be famous. So do something. You're a great talker. That's fine. People will rip you up for it, but yeah, we're a Hollywood culture. Another time is that if something is threatening a person, the mind will make you invert on yourself, and you will analyze everything you do. It usually takes family to undo this or people who care about you. It's exhausting to do this. I'm simple myself, so it's hard for me to get outside myself or too complex. My brain problems make me look creative and different. In reality, it's very literal in here and closer to stone reality. That's why they say some people see the world the way it is. I don't put myself in that bunch. I'll say I don't desire in the same way. Anyway, some types of self-reflection will lead you to misery like spending years on your own mortality, the purpose of the universe, and the Kabbalah. You'll die faster.
Where they’re making this connection has to do with the confusion of internal representations of others and the real person. Narcissistic personality disorder is a psychotic break from reality and their capacity to perceive others as separate from their internal reality on a fundamental level. Npd is permanent as fuck, there to stay, till death do they part, and NEVER OPERATES IN A PART TIME MANNER. NPD sufferers need the input from their environment because their capacity to form their own ego/identity (that becomes the seat of executive functions and where all the reality testing is done) was obliterated in early childhood by a traumatic disruption to emotional growth. They consequently have no true agency, volition, or willpower. It’s replaced with a script essentially that we call “the false self” schizophrenia patients can be treated very effectively and can maintain *genuine* *loving* relationships, do have their own personality, and have intermittent periods of symptoms. Schizophrenia is not even in the same camp as pathological narcissism. They share a psychotic element that contributes to a terra-centric worldview and relational structure. And again the veil is more like Swiss cheese in schizophrenia and it varies with time. Npd the gates were blown off the hinges and blown up some more for safe measure. Hope this helps
You are NOT a Narcissist
Thank you!
Absolutely not a narcissist. My mother is a narcissist but only developed schizophrenia until she landed herself in the hospital at 70. She lost control and it comes off as schizophrenia.
I believe there is an overlap of symptoms with scziophrenia and narcissism. Ie grandeose sense of self. Delusional thoughts can also manifest and narcissistic traits as they can believe false narratives about a situation. But the scziophrenic doesnt seem to do it intentionally to hurt others if that makes sense. Im trying to get my head around it. My sons dad had drug triggered scziophrenia/sczioeffective disorder. The first 3/4 years i was with him although we had our ups and downs we were definitely best friends and he had empathy and cared. Never narcissistic. But then when our son was born there was trauma and long story short he ended up involved in crack. Now hes clean and barely drinks but is still ill and there not therapy/medication available to help. Weve broken 💔 and he genuinely cant see reality of whats happened. And seems to lack empathy. But i dont thiink it is truely lacking empathy. In his mind the delusions say im going off with exs, ive done stuff to 'fuck him over' etc etc despite evidence proving it wrong. But he still tries to show empathy although it feels minimal and short lived. You can see hes trying despite the fight going on in his mind. Its tough and i wish i could support him more. But im so drained and i need to care for myself again get my strength back to give my son a happy healthy mum. Its really tough.
i to t a ly agree with what you a r e say ing
thanks
Not only is this article the wrong way to think about schizophrenia, it is stigmatizing to those who are tortured by the condition.
Yes it is
Can you feel empathy for others?
Yes
Since I'm not educated, I had false beliefs like tribal people. My grades are mostly, please get rid of her minus English. You pay now! The lightning happens when I'm angry. Also, when I was becoming an adult, my brain, as do many, went through an intense period of confusion as it finished maturing. I had more hallucinations then. A lot of people try to define the world then. That happens to a lot of people as the brain usually takes until 25 before it's done baking. I think it varies. I've seen that a lot on the wards. I won't get into the mental illness stuff.
You can help the fact that you can choose to do the right thing and help others. Who you have hurt. That would be a unselfish thing to do. And the right thing to do, because trust me. If you're schizophrenic, you have caused so much drama and damage to people who helped you and took care of you and loved you when nobody else would.
No, I grew up.some, was given silent treatment , maybe narc abuse contributed to schizo
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️sending good wishes your way…..(for what it’s worth)
Very lazy connection from MIT that could, potentially, gas light and could poison the well against understanding Schizophrenia and Schizophrenics. Not impressed .
Yes it could
That's because you're gaslighting people and false shaming them from the truth that narcissism and schizophrenia are one and the same. You're a hit dog hollering that clearly is taking it personal because it's true. Schizophrenias foundation is literally narcissism. They go out their way to induce this state of altered reality where they are the star. Notice most scizophrenics think they're in some plot, master conspiracy or even God. If that's not narcissistic idk what is. My ex is schizo and I finally snapped him out of his delusions by telling him its not all about him and his stupid voices. Funny how when I said that he calmed down and laughed and said I was right. It's a CHOICE to sick like this. No, mental illness is not a choice. But schizophrenics don't make their illness any easier and it IS narcissistic at its core, no matter how salty you are. Also, all schizophrenics have a history of narcissistic living like drug abuse/ and have other narcissistic mental illnesses pre diagnosis such as BPD. Just embrace you're a narc and stop gaslighting. I'm not impressed by your narcissistic comment.
Also, we need to stop glamourizing and coddling psycho sociopathic disorders like narcissism/aka schizophrenia. It makes it look socially "cool" and wrecks society. The psychological community has FAILED people with maladaptive sociopathic disorders, and it has resulted in many innocent people getting hurt and killed by racists from black supremacy AKA blm and trans supremacy who are the #1 terror groups in America.
lol whats more narcissistic -
the person focused on themselves, trying to survive?
or
the person who is upset that you aren't focusing on them??
Good question
You even made the article about yourself… with a video of yourself…defining yourself. Billions of bodies, one self
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Narcissism is the person who think of great grandeur of themselves that they have higher than everybody else and they think about themself and don't care about nobody else's feelings they do things for others so they could get something in return for themselves people with great-grandger back in the days means you're crazy got that Bella Lugosi movie you play the part of a psychiatrist in the soup kitchen and they had all the nuts in his basement he's suffer from crazy this one is a murderer you like to kill people sure coating it calling you a narcissist meaning you're crazy they have the same symptom beating up on people losing control and the possibility of killing someone what's the difference
My ex is something like this
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Bordeline is the disorder you are most likely talking about
People with great grea tgrandure is anytcase
People say yourself centered? But you say your not? Do more research.
I am?
😂😂😂 absolutely
There are lots of qualities that narcissists have that have nothing to do with schizophrenia…. That’s a unfair Comparison
You can listen to people who tell you how you've Abuse them or wronged them or damaged them or traumatized them. Or if nobody tells you, you can ask people what you've done wrong to them. But I'm sure they've let you haven't had a romantic partnor no or family member.