There are many Levels of Speed: 1. Sound Speed 2. Light Speed 3. Sonic Speed 4. Closing the Incognito Tab when your parent come in Speed 5. Your Mom calling you in full name then throwing the Chancla at you Speed
I love how everyone apparently chose to forget that there's a scene in the sonic movie where he goes so fast it seems like everything in the bar fight was almost completely frozen for nearly 3 minutes. To do that, while I won't calculate the actual value, it would mean that in any form (since this is base sonic who wasn't even supercharged), Sonic can move at speeds comparable to the speed of light. That mega EMP he caused pales in comparison to the actual physics behind the bar fight scene.
If he was moving for what seemed like 1.5 minutes (based off the clip) at what looks like a slow motion speed (maybe 5 m/s being generous) but the whole thing say actually a 1/100th of a second (because slight movement), he's moving at around 45,000 m a second Thats .015% the speed of light. I think you underestimate how fast light is. Even at the points he's bluring, and we're being really generous and saying he looks like hes moving 1000m/s, thats still only 0.3% the speed of light.
If he were moving at relativistic speeds, he would not see the rest of the world slow down. He would see it speed up. To an observer looking at Sonic, his relative time rate would slow down. That's the Lorentz transformation of time, otherwise known as time dilation. Hollywood doesn't seem to ever consult actual physicists on these matters...
@@MrJdcirbo Speed up is relative though At relativistic speeds they would speed up so they look like theyre always moving at around 0.33 nm a 'second' (second being counted in slow motion)
i still never got that. what sorta energy does Dr. Eggman harness from the animals he puts inside his badnik machine things? did anybody ever make a forum discussion on this? O_o
@@DonEBrooke32 Maybe it's "life energy" or something like that. Or perhaps the machine is using the animal brain as wetware for running complex calculations. It even could be that Dr. Eggman is actually insane and there is not real point in putting the animals inside at all. "Look at this rabbit. What a boring creature. I can fix it. This rabbit will look way better as a jet propelled blue metalic bee"
Sharon Loy no I got it, the next movie when they introduce the start of shadow. Actually turns out to be the freak show sonic which dies shortly after creation. Even horrifying the Dr. However shadow isn’t introduced till third move, but instead some crazy scheme on Dr. part. Hate it when movies rush characters in, let happen slowly.
I just want to say I appreciate you going through the equations. I'm majoring in physics up at college and learning all these equations while watching a fun and silly video is extremely helpful
He doesn't. He's right handed, but in videos he is seen writing with his left. The footage is mirrored. This is why he never wears a shirt with a design on it.
He's not. They film it normally and then flip the image. He just wears symmetrical clothing to hide that fact, but you can sometimes tell when he's doing things that don't have writing on screen. Or you'll see the markers seem to switch between his left and right hand for no reason. He's right-handed.
"Knuckles is cooler" You really are a supervillain to start THAT flame war in the comments. Some men just want to watch the world(or comments section) burn, don't they?
He is correct though... it is the real answer to that question. The war would start if you threw in Shadow and/or Silver. Still, Knuckles is the coolest.
@@markcochrane9523 And it ignores that Sonic's speed just seems fast because of how the game is designed so players can control him. In reality, he's not moving any faster than Mario.
"What SONIC Can Do at TOP SPEED?" Plow face first into a wall of spikes mere metres from the end of the level when I don't have rings left.... ...or.... ...run away from the highly disturbing Rule 34 images on DeviantArt.
Seriously speaking, he can: - Run past 8 universes in 8 hours. - Outrun a black hole without boosting. - Outrun a Bugatti Veyron. - Time travel somewhere. - Travel into a different dimension called "Bonus Levels".
You always have such great energy for these episodes! If you used the debug mode in the original Sonic the Hedgehog game I think you wouldn’t have had to use an approximation for seeing how many Sonics the radius of a loop would happen to be ᕦ⊙෴⊙ᕤ purrhapps
I really love the chance to solve some of the problems during the episodes! I was always curious to see if I could come up with and solve problems as you do and now I can practice that and watch your videos at the same time!
simple math: day: 24 hrs steps 9 million: adopting an avarage step distance: .5 meters day in seconds: 86400 steps / second: 104,16 avg day speed: 52m/s i'm completelly disappointed. i'm pretty sure that in the sonic intro music says "sonic faster than light...", and in some fan forums, around 8 times i guess.
@@GrulbGL faster than LIGHT? yeah no. Sonic adventure 2 battle say's iconic music, Escape the city, sings: "Running around at the speed of sound", which I dont think they ever showed him go any faster in any media to be honest. Light speed is running something like 7 times around the planet in a second.
Sonic officially is about 5'11", Moved fast enough to escape a Black Hole (games), Moved fast enough to dodge lasers (games), and basically slid through dimensions (comics)
Hey Kyle, love the show. At 6:27 you wrote the equation as V squared on the left, when the equation you used to calculate sonic's entrance velocity to be 27mph had just V, so it should have been v = sqrt(5gr). If that equation was to be correct (v^2 = sqrt(5gr)), then the rearrangement of the equation would have had V to the fourth power instead of V squared. Just covering all basis just in case one of the corrections was wrong. btw i love the cut off scream
@@Freyalise50 Thank you, everyone should thumb this so he sees this one. My math disagreed with him because he rewrote the equation wrong and I didnt notice immediately.
Kyle, there is one question ALL THREE OF YOU DUDES missed: What effect would Sonic's speed have on his environment. Things like: - What happens to the air when he hits those speeds? What happens to the air IN THE LOOP-DE-LOOP when he hits those speeds? - What happens to the track that he's running on when he hits those speeds? Could the various track elements even survive? - What happens to those rings and our blue dude when he goes to collect them? Would they shoot through him like bullets? And would they survive? - What would happen to all of those bad guys being that close to the blue dude? Would they survive? What injuries would they sustain? - Are there questions I missed? I'm guessing that the blue dude isn't going fast enough to significantly alter the planet's rotational speed or inclination in the solar plane. I'm also going to go out on a limb and say his effects wouldn't be as drastic as would be in a race between Superman and The Flash, but I don't think I want to be anywhere near him when he goes zipping by.
Hey dude he made this video to give us a rough idea about Sonic's velocity not about the effcts he will cause to surrounding, if he ran at his pick speed or hypersonic speed.
@@sameemsheikh2914 Except that the start of the video sounded like he might explore effects that the other two didn't talk about. The only thing he explored was how high of a loop-de-loop could Sonic run.
Okay, following your line of questioning, -How far would you need to be from Sonic's path to be safe ? What would be the effect of Sonic travelling through cities and towns? Would the structures be able to survive the blast of wind as he passed? If sonic were running to your rescue and picked you up, would you turn into a red mist like that girl from "The Boys"?
Nice vid as always ;) In fact, Sonic could run through even bigger loops, if you stop assuming the gravitational force to be constant while increasing the distance between the Object and the earths mass Center. Especially for the 120km loop, this will surely make a Difference :)
Sonic Unleashed added a unique mechanic that: Measured ring energy collected Current speed Accelerated speed And achievable Mach speed / Max speed limit It's those little details, that give each adventure a unique experience for a player to dive into.
Can you explain what that centrifugal force is? From what I understand there isn't any centrifugal force at all on top of the loop, just an initial upward velocity gained earlier in the loop which temporary keeps Sonic on top of the loop but not forever. If there was a centrifugal force and a centripetal force equal and against eachother, Sonic can stand still on top of the loop and he will just keep going in the motion that he started with.
Interesting, but I was expecting a discussion of Sonic's speed exiting the loop because: Sonic is not a rollercoaster. The thing about rollercoasters is, they coast. They get their initial impetus from the first hill and expend that over the course of their, er, course, so a coaster entering it's loop wouldn't gain back as much energy from the pull of gravity on the other side thanks to losses to friction and the kind, though "circular coaster in a vacuum" noodling says the net energy over the entire loop should be zero. But Sonic is self propelled. He is constantly adding energy to the system so as to not coast to a stop. Even if Sonic doesn't add enough velocity to maintain a constant speed in his six meter loop, if he makes up for half the energy loss at the top of the loop, entered at 12m/s to reach a speed of ~9m/s rather than ~5m/s, when he exits he should be moving at between 15~16m/s(just figuring in me head, I'm sure someone will say with more accuracy). When you scale that up to your Super Sonic and Hyper Sonic speeds, wouldn't Sonic be moving at abominable speeds? Something around ~2200m/s for Hyper Sonic?
@5:12 Kyle mentions "If he's just spinning around a loop, continuing on his speedy way, not adding energy to the system...", so I suspect this is Sonic balled up in a "non-running" form. I guess it could be calculated if Sonic were running half-way up a loop and forms into a ball at the top (seeing as you can't run downhill faster than you can run without ow), but "half the energy loss" is kinda arbitrary and Kyle calculates both "always ball" and "always running" in a satisfying way.
Key Kyle! Long time listener first time caller. Early in the video you say that Sonic isn't adding any energy to the system after he enters the system. While it is true that there is no energy from outside the system assisting him, Sonic wouldn't inherently run right up until he reaches the bottom of the loop and start rolling, but could continue running along the entire circumference of a loop to keep up his speed. This way he could either enter a loop slower and keep running in order not to fall at or before the peek of the loop or enter the loop at high speeds and then, after reaching the peek, continue running and accelerate to a speed faster than that at which he entered. The rate at which Sonic could accelerate and the amount of friction that he could apply the the loop would then be much more significant in determining how large a loop he could complete as he fights gravity on the way up the initial incline. Such speeds could create incredible centrifugal forces and, depending on Sonic's mass, could put the structure of the loop in jeopardy if his legs don't give way first. Because of this, I hypothesize that Sonic could potentially run around a loop with a diameter much larger than 120 km, so long as the loop were made of sufficiently strong materials.
It was average at best wouldn't call it great. Was just OK could have been better if it was more based on the game rather than that real world bs. Hopefully the next one better with more sonic characters I feel they would interact better with each other and feel like its a actual sonic movie not just a movie with sonic in it
@@zamon8erz10 The movie actually fits really well with the games and kinda creates a lot of explanations for stuff in the games... Its kinda good for a origin... And thats the thing you and ppl saying that this movie should had more of the games.. its a origin movie, it needs to happen on earth and explain Sonic personality as well eggman origin... It needed to be like that... And because of budget...
@@TGHunter probably more budget than anything else, like I sed was a OK movie I dint hate it tho the humor was a bit hit n miss with me. I just think it would have been better with more sonic characters, but the next one will clearly have more so it might feel more like a sonic movie if you get me. This plot could have been any game character in that place I feel, I don't know the sonic lore beyond the old cartoons and the first 2 sonic games so I might be missing a lot of the hidden nods to lore
@@zamon8erz10 "I just think it would have been better with more sonic characters" Sonic 1 is about Sonic and Eggman, and it needs a start for a new audience. By that logic Sonic 1 is less Sonic than other games... which is not true. "This plot could have been any game character in that place I feel" Not really, this fits Sonic really well and gives more explanation for the events from the 3D games. "I don't know the sonic lore beyond the old cartoons and the first 2 sonic games so I might be missing a lot of the hidden nods to lore" Oh god im sure you are, btw forget the cartoon for the lore part, they never were cannon, totally a spin-off thing. I really recommend playing some more games or just looking it up, this movie shows a lot of heart behind it and it really fits Sonic, even with his personality giving room for him to delevop a lot.
It's even more bonkers than that, because your equation assumes that gravity is constant, rather than decreasing proportionately to the distance away from the Earth's surface. I'm not sure exactly how you would go about factoring that into your equations, and it would probably make them way more complicated. Reality is awesome and messy. Thank you for another excellent episode!
I think it would be REAL interesting if a video were made on who would be faster-The Flash or Shadow the Hedgehog. Sonic would be no match but I think even Shadow could give Flash a run for his money. The black hedgehog can run at near light speed after all.
@@ayyyjirachi6530 yes but Sonic needs Super Sonic form to even keep up. JUST on his OWN, Shadow can run at near light speed levels. When he's Super Shadow, he's damn near invincible lol. And say if we had Barry Flash vs Shadow.
@@TheRibottoStudios Sonic runs faster than light in his base form. In Sonic CD he was traveling through time and in Sonic Generations he was able to restore color, life, and time to the zones he was running in. It was also confirmed by SEGA themselves that Sonic, Shadow, and Silver have the same speed...you can't wank Shadow and downplay Sonic.
Hey Kyle, love this show. For that final value you got for sonic traveling at hypersonic speeds, wouldn’t the actual diameter for the loop be greater than 120 km since sonic would be experiencing less gravity as he got closer to the border of space?
Hey show, love the Kyle! I had a question about stars and iron. If you were to throw solid iron into a star would in have the same "poisoning" effect that starts have naturally once they create iron themselves or would something different happen? Could never find this online anywhere, and was too late to the star episode to put it up when it happened.
I get where you're coming from but, no throwing a chunk of iron into a star wouldn't do anything to it. The reason why stars die when they start producing iron is that fusing iron gives you a net energy loss (consequently, producing elements heavier than iron in a star requires supernova conditions). Think about it this way, throwing a chunk of iron into a star won't affect whether or not that star still has hydrogen and helium to fuse. Hope that helps.
I'd say no, iron is just something a star can't fuse any further to create energy. If you threw a chunk of iron into a star it's like tossing a stone in your furnace, it won't burn but it won't put the fire out either. If you added a LOT of iron, though, you would probably speed the process up because its mass would increase.
Hey Kyle, greetings from Germany. If Sonic had enough speed to run into space, you wouldn't be able to apply earths acceleration any more which would further increase the radius, if I'm not missing anything Love the show, keep up with the cool content
Love the channel as always. Couple questions to consider: How fast are his feet moving? Twice the speed of himself? How many steps is he taking per second? (6 foot human = 2.5 foot stride. 2.5 foot creature = 1.25 foot stride. -1700 m/s = ~5600 ft/s That’s nearly 4500 steps per second, just roughly off the napkin. Not challenging him on the FitBit.) What amount of force is being applied to his feet to accelerate to those speeds? What about friction and how much that will slow him down after entering the loop at any given speed? Also, what about his inability and/or ability to continue to apply force to himself as he climbs the entry? No time to super nerd this all of them up.
Oh lets see well for the loop take the force required to move something that is roughly 3m in size and weighs about 30 lbs. For the friction? Well I don't know the exact speed reduction. His inability to add speed while he's going up the loop? Have you ever played a Sonic game and tried to go on a loop?
@ 10:00 -- 1974 days is the time difference between oct 2, 2014 (first episode of because science) and february 27, 2020 (this episode). and 282 is probably the number of because science episodes. Didn't know it was foreshadowed in this episode all along. Kyle has passed indeed.
A loop reaching into space could be a really cool level, even if the loop takes minutes to complete you could just fill it with interesting stuff while the background gradually gets darker and satellites start to fly by
One of the early cutscenes in Sonic Heroes shows Sonic matching and outpacing a jet aircraft, even running backwards while maintaining said speed for a while.
So who's got the petition for the Sonic movie sequel to have a 3 and a half minute scene of Sonic running a giant space loop, during which they zoom in to a close-up where he winks, waves, and says "hi Kyle, love your show!"?
HKLTS. When you're dealing with distances that go to space, you shouldn't treat g as a constant. Using the comparatively straightforward g=GM/r2, we can see that on Earth's surface (r= the 6,378.1 km from Earth's center) gravity exerts 341.923 Newtons on Sonic, but at an extra 120 km above the earth's surface that value drops to 330.375 Newtons. That's a decrease of 3.37%. Factor that in, and that means Sonic can get to 124.195km. Of course, that distance does decrease gravity's effects even further, by a little over 1 Newton. To actually draw up the most correct answer requires using calculus to find the limit, but at that point we should also be looking at what Sonic gains be running through thinner and thinner atmosphere and also the potential issues presented by not being able to breathe for a significant percentage of his trip, so I think I'm going to finish making lunch instead.
Even faster than that. Video game sonic shows FTL speeds. He’s outran a black hole while in space. This is a massively faster than light feat. Not only that in the comics he can move casually at 13 trillionths of a millisecond. Base form. He’s also traveled BACKWARDS IN TIME as a result of his speed. This is an immeasurable speed feat. Aka infinite speed. Since we know Speed= distance/time. Him traveling backwards in time as a result of speed would be immeasurable since you can not measure the time
Welcome Back, Kyle, missed your show. Just a quick googling* got me this equation Radial Acceleration = v^2 / r with that product (in m/s^2) divided by 9.8m/s^2 to get G's. So at the bottom of the initial loop you described Sonic would pull about 2.4489 G's with the top producing a measly 0.4959 Gs. For comparison, roller-coaster loops usually pull around 6 G's. Funnily enough, at all the speeds and heights you list, 2.5G seems to be, not quite a constant, but a good touchstone, as the Gforces only seem to *very* slightly increase as the speed/height factors go up. It was almost as if it were designed to be perfectly run by actual athletes or performers (think the ball cages with motorcycles inside them). I wonder if there was any research done by the Sonic team on this during their initial designs? Anyway, Love the show and thanks for brightening the work week, 13mins at a time.
Sonic's size plays a big part of his speed. Plus he has less gravitational pull, which means when he's at the top sides of the loop he had less pull downwards, mixed with his speed make circular loopty loops a piece of cake for him. If they were any other shape he will have some issue because having to pause and change direction will cause him to lose momentum and fall. But that's just how gravity and physics works. Anywho.......... I'm sooooooo happy my favorite Science Sensei is back! I love the show and ONE DAY I'll be smart enough to be a SUPER NERD! (It's kinda my only goal in life that involves the internet) And Knuckles is the BEST! Shadow is a close second.
hey kyle love the show. at 6:20 you accidentally put a square on the velocity, i was so happy because I thought I caught you slipping and could be a super nerd, but alas you corrected it again at 6:40 meaning you are correct. Giving me false hope, you truly are a villain
Great episode Kyle! I think Sonic wouldn't need to be going at mach 5 to do a space loop. As he travels further away from earth's centre of gravity, the gravitational force and friction, impeding sonic's velocity, reduces the greater the altitude and so the energy required to move will be reduce. The benefit from the other end would be Sonic should be going faster at the apex of the loop (lesser resistance to his movement) which will increase his exit (3) velocity now that gravity is adding to his velocity on the reentry. Assuming he doesn't die from the friction and the compression of airflow, of reentry to earth. Sonic would become a living comet.
When Kyle says "centrifugal force" I'm always remembering my physics teacher telling the class several times that there's only the centripetal force (because the centrifugal force is a pseudo force as it's only a thing we experience due to Newton's third law). Now I can't even hear the words "centrifugal force" without having shivers down my spine and my teacher's voice in my head. Anyways, I loved the show! (P.S I use they/them pronouns...)
From the perspective a stationary frame of reference (the loop), the centripetal force is what the loop feels from sonic flying through it and being accelerated radially. The centrifugal force is the pseudo force sonic feels in his moving frame of reference, equal and opposite to the centripetal force, Newton's third law; they are just 2 sides of the same coin.
Another great episode! Thank you. A few points however 1: the original Sonic from the movie was an abomination that never should have been created. They had so many reference models to use and didnt use them. The studio that was forced to fix it went bankrupt, so the people who did what they were asked lost their jobs because of this. 2: knuckles is in fact the coolest. 3: would Sonic pass out like you queried? Alternatively what would his body have to have (heart, special arteries, special organs) to survive the three different loops?
The other reason loop-de-loops aren’t perfectly circular is to help prevent whiplash. Your head and body travel at different speeds in a loop (since they have different distances to cover), which means they have different momentums. This is also why it is more painful for a tall person to ride a roller coaster than a small person.
I love this channel. I love Game Theory and MatPat. But there are issues with the assumptions a lot of people like them make. This is where I have to give you props, Kyle, for talking about why things have to be altered. (Additional props for talking about his super- and hyper-sonic speeds, and their implications, without talking about Super Sonic or Hyper Sonic, haha. The Sonic Universe gets as weird and as intense as most other comic book universes out there.) But I hear the question now: "What are you talking about? I've played the games and those theories sound spot-on!" Well, thank you for asking, handy dialectic prop. First of all, Sonic can canonically run faster than the speed of sound, with some of his feats in various media suggesting he's even faster. For example, in the comics he's faster than displacement can take effect, scooping water out of the ocean, forming it into a ball, then throwing it at an enemy that was weak to water like it was a baseball. In another comic he crossed the equivalent of the majority of the United States in seconds. Even in the movie, Sonic went from Green Hills into the depths of the Pacific Ocean and back again in a couple seconds. Not to mention if we took into consideration how fast he would need to move for the traditional speedster feat of everything being almost frozen in time. (Though there's a solid argument that Sonic, a protector and environmentalist at heart, would stay below the sound barrier to avoid collateral damage outside of extreme circumstances.) But even if we just look at games, there's a problem with using the classic Sonic 1 loops. First of all, Sonic's older incarnation is taller, noticeable in Sonic Generations. Classic Sonic is one meter, but Modern Sonic appears to be 1.5 meters. It's also not fair to use the size of the loops themselves from the original games, as their size was more likely to have been constrained by the limitations of the hardware. Starting in Sonic Adventure, the loops get *MUCH* bigger in the Dreamcast and Modern Eras. If we're trying to establish a floor for Sonic's top speed, we need to use the height of Modern Sonic and the tallest loop he clears. From there, gameplay tests would need to be done to compare the speeds the game shows and the minimum speed Sonic can clear the loop. Even as far back as the original 1991 game, Sonic's top speed in-game is faster than the minimum in-game speed needed to clear the loop. (Anyone who's played these games knows how much slower that minimum clear speed is.) But then there's the final hurdle, the one that really sinks the likes of MatPat and his use of pixel measurements and in-game assets to calculate game speed... hardware limitations and gameplay design. (Sorry MatPat, I'm still a huge fan and I love your content. You too Kyle; you're awesome and don't you forget it.) What a game console has been able to accurately portray as super speed is limited, especially in how environments are handled. And that's not even bringing up the load on the environment designers. When creating the Daytime stages in Sonic Unleashed, I remember them talking about how the computers would have to process each level for days after it was completed. And the ability to make a realistic environment that passed as quickly as Sonic's speed would require? I question how realistic that computing power was in the hands of the average gamer. Maybe nowadays? But that still leaves us limited to something we probably won't ever be able to do anything about: gameplay design. If Sonic truly moved at his canonical speeds, how would the player be able to react to realistic stimuli? That's the biggest limitation of using the visuals in the games as a basis, the games have to hold back so we mere mortals can play them.
It's about time someone here actually addressed the hyper sonic speed which is Mach 5. The Sonic adventure manual said that Sonic could reach speeds up to 3840 mph, and this is rarely discussed on the internet because people refer to the speed of sound as Sonic's default and sometimes even final speed.
What's interesting to point out here is that, considering the Sonic Wiki's top speed for him being around hyper-sonic speeds, and how that allows him to complete a loop that extends all the way to space, this implies that he's actively leaving the atmosphere of the earth, and therefore, the gravitational forces keeping him held down. With this in mind, we'd have to include as part of this calculation (somehow) that the gravitational pull that he's experiencing is decreasing the further up the loop he goes, similar to how rocket scientists and mathematicians have to calculate a rocket leaving the planet's orbit at a precise time and place. No matter what the calculations come out to, this means the loop he could theoretically complete is even larger than the one calculated in this video!
Not really a comment about this show, but it always amazes me how you right all the equations backwards and right to left... I'd ad pretty well too... Was it hard to get used to? Regarless, keep up the good work Kyle! Love the show!
It makes sense that he is so fast if you remember Doomsday Zone in Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Even if you don't have all of the chaos and super emeralds, Sonic is still seemingly able to move at the required velocity.
Hey Kyle! Long time listener first time caller. In the video you said that 1715 m/s would rip us apart, but in many of your videos you discuss how velocity is never what's dangerous and that it's acceleration or deceleration that would hurt someone. As I'm sure you've calculated at some point yourself, the Earth, after accounting for its orbit around the sun, the solar system's motion, and the motion of our galaxy, is moving at roughly 2.1 million km/h or 583,300 m/s, many times faster than the speed that would presumably rip us apart; therefore, I'd have to argue that a velocity of 1715 m/s wouldn't be inherently lethal. P.S. I wanted to send my work to you but I didn't want to make this comment too long and I couldn't find an email to send a picture to, sorry.
So like... my math might be a little bonkers, but if I'm right, at 1715/ms, Sonic would be pulling 100,000 G's on that 3m loop. At Matt Patt's numbers, he'd be pulling 4,000 G's, and at your modest 162 m/s it would still be almost 900 G's. THAT should be your next video. If Sonic can withstand any of these numbers, he'd be super durable. Imagine the crazy planets he could visit, or... withstanding enormous explosions! Won't help him with spikes though. Or breathing under water... god I always hated those levels... Great show, Kyle!
Hey Kyle, I got home from a physics exam not three hours ago, and literally had this exact same loop question (finding minimum speed to stay on the top) you just did come up on it, but with a pilot in a plane instead of sonic on a loop. There weren't any little animals though. :( Good to know I got that question right, thanks for checking my work. Now I'm feeling watched. I'm onto you, Kyle Hevill.
I think Kyle is Thor's long lost brother because Kyle looks like he could be one of Odin's bioligical sons in real life. Plus, Kyle is very knowledgeable concerning a lot of things in science. So if Kyle were Thor's long lost brother in real life, he would probably be Odin's smartest offspring. All joking aside, though, I really enjoy Kyle's videos because he explains scientific concepts in a way so that a person that doesn't have any or has very little scientific knowledge concerning the subject being discussed in the video can easily come to an understanding of that subject by the end of the video. Thank you, Kyle, for all the effort you put into your videos because you make science fun and interesting for all your fans.
8:28 "...if you're not perfectly designed to handle the forces involved, this VELOCITY, will rip you apart..." "Laughs in a constant velocity of 107,000,000 m/s"
"Stop haunting me Matthew!"
~Kyle Hill 2020
Should be stalking, seeing that MatPat is still alive.
MatPat full name = Matthew Patthew
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@@YDIE8 *Matthew Patrick
Kyle went so fast that he broke the fabrics of reality in the void and escaped the channel...
What shall we call this brave new world he'll whip up for us in that other place?
I'm thinking Hillpoint.
Haha
Nooo someone get him back
There are many Levels of Speed:
1. Sound Speed
2. Light Speed
3. Sonic Speed
4. Closing the Incognito Tab when your parent come in Speed
5. Your Mom calling you in full name then throwing the Chancla at you Speed
r/suspiciouslyspecific
This man knowsssss🤣😂🤣
Don't forget 6. Ludicrous Speed
Eminem speed
Chancla
I love how everyone apparently chose to forget that there's a scene in the sonic movie where he goes so fast it seems like everything in the bar fight was almost completely frozen for nearly 3 minutes. To do that, while I won't calculate the actual value, it would mean that in any form (since this is base sonic who wasn't even supercharged), Sonic can move at speeds comparable to the speed of light. That mega EMP he caused pales in comparison to the actual physics behind the bar fight scene.
if you can see them moving, even a little, its no where near the speed of light. I've not seen the film so i dunno if you can.
@@TheEthanEdge You can, just -very- slowly. You see the same type of "time stop" near the end, and there IS movement.
If he was moving for what seemed like 1.5 minutes (based off the clip) at what looks like a slow motion speed (maybe 5 m/s being generous) but the whole thing say actually a 1/100th of a second (because slight movement), he's moving at around 45,000 m a second
Thats .015% the speed of light.
I think you underestimate how fast light is.
Even at the points he's bluring, and we're being really generous and saying he looks like hes moving 1000m/s, thats still only 0.3% the speed of light.
If he were moving at relativistic speeds, he would not see the rest of the world slow down. He would see it speed up. To an observer looking at Sonic, his relative time rate would slow down. That's the Lorentz transformation of time, otherwise known as time dilation. Hollywood doesn't seem to ever consult actual physicists on these matters...
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Speed up is relative though
At relativistic speeds they would speed up so they look like theyre always moving at around 0.33 nm a 'second' (second being counted in slow motion)
"why was there a bunny in the robot bee?" Someone has to pilot the robot bee Kyle. Come on.
What if I told you the bunny rabbit is not the pilot but the battery.
i still never got that. what sorta energy does Dr. Eggman harness from the animals he puts inside his badnik machine things? did anybody ever make a forum discussion on this? O_o
@@DonEBrooke32 Maybe it's "life energy" or something like that.
Or perhaps the machine is using the animal brain as wetware for running complex calculations.
It even could be that Dr. Eggman is actually insane and there is not real point in putting the animals inside at all.
"Look at this rabbit. What a boring creature. I can fix it. This rabbit will look way better as a jet propelled blue metalic bee"
I thought the animals inside the robots were powering the robots, like hamster wheels???
@@DonEBrooke32 The movie seems to imply it's exotic matter or something similar to it
"another episode"
One that we will never get...
He started his own channel. "Kyle Hill"
We bullied an entire studio into redesigning a movie character. Bullying one little youtuber into making a UA-cam video should be no problem.
Just go over to his channel. He's happier now anyway and gets creative freedom as well as all the cash. Honestly, it's going to be better content.
[Everyone felt that]
[Everyone felt that]
Oh my God Kyle the Hedgehog is almost as terrifying as the first Sonic design XD
Key word being almost. Original trailer sonic is still more disturbing
Look up Hbomberguy if you really want to see a haunting sonic cosplay in a video essay.
@@fl00fydragon Urg. I regret looking it up. That cosplay was disturbing.
@@edvance1030 I KNOW RIGHT!
I don't know if I should laugh, cringe or run in fear!
Sharon Loy no I got it, the next movie when they introduce the start of shadow. Actually turns out to be the freak show sonic which dies shortly after creation. Even horrifying the Dr. However shadow isn’t introduced till third move, but instead some crazy scheme on Dr. part. Hate it when movies rush characters in, let happen slowly.
You don't even realize, that this is the last time we'll see Kyle. 😔
why?
@@Rabe325 he left this channel today. However he has a new channel called Kyle Hill.
Kyle Hill Zone?
ua-cam.com/channels/FbtcTaMFnOAP0pFO1L8hVw.html - Kyle's new channel
Why would he do that without saying goodbye?
Sonic "Being faster than light, _always leaves you in Darkness"_
If you have the same direction you could catch up to photons, and see what was behind you
Nope, it would in fact widen your view like this guy mentioned.
@@secoTheSonicFan you're sonic, forgot? Duh?
I just want to say I appreciate you going through the equations. I'm majoring in physics up at college and learning all these equations while watching a fun and silly video is extremely helpful
I remember in my first physics class we used Sonic going through a Green Hill Zone loop. This was a blast from the past.
Best example ever 😊
You had the best physics teacher!
Evelo
Say what? Best. Physics teacher. Ever.
“....another episode!”
Yeah, you see, that’s not gonna happen....
If I remember the note they put out correctly we will still be seeing Kyle on BS for a bit, they are posting videos they haven’t posted before.
Yes, but let us hope it’s not some compilation footage just to see how his hair became progressively longer over time.
Twitchymeat good point
@@NerdyAngel1989 BS heh.
can we all just take a moment to appreciate that this guy has to write everything mirrored
He doesn't. He's right handed, but in videos he is seen writing with his left. The footage is mirrored. This is why he never wears a shirt with a design on it.
He's not. They film it normally and then flip the image. He just wears symmetrical clothing to hide that fact, but you can sometimes tell when he's doing things that don't have writing on screen. Or you'll see the markers seem to switch between his left and right hand for no reason. He's right-handed.
You guys forgetting the alien space villain thing yeah?
SalaComMander that makes sense. Thank you :)
In fairness, staff working in hq of air forces or aircraft carriers are trained to write in reverse
"Knuckles is cooler" You really are a supervillain to start THAT flame war in the comments. Some men just want to watch the world(or comments section) burn, don't they?
Diceman82 Shadow is cooler than both sonic and knuckles
@@cranidos123 Ok, sure. make sure not to cut yourself on all that Edge :p
Waluigi is the best.
He is correct though... it is the real answer to that question. The war would start if you threw in Shadow and/or Silver. Still, Knuckles is the coolest.
@@tangerian319 Also, who tf is shadow?
Kyle: knows the length of Sonic
Decides to measure his speed with a way that needs gravity, instead of measuring frames per second
That's MatPat and Austin's schtick.
That assumes that the original games - or any of the games for that matter - have accurate physics.
@@markcochrane9523 And it ignores that Sonic's speed just seems fast because of how the game is designed so players can control him. In reality, he's not moving any faster than Mario.
@@bryanwoods3373 Just goes to show the excellent game design of the original Sonic games.
@@bryanwoods3373 thas capp sonic is fast as shit😂how u compare his speed to mario
"What SONIC Can Do at TOP SPEED?"
Plow face first into a wall of spikes mere metres from the end of the level when I don't have rings left....
...or....
...run away from the highly disturbing Rule 34 images on DeviantArt.
Seriously speaking, he can:
- Run past 8 universes in 8 hours.
- Outrun a black hole without boosting.
- Outrun a Bugatti Veyron.
- Time travel somewhere.
- Travel into a different dimension called "Bonus Levels".
Yo listen up, here's the story
About a little guy that lives in a blue world......
And all day and all night and everything he sees is just blue
Like him, inside and outside
Blue his house with a blue little window
And a blue Corvette
And everything is blue for him
And himself and everybody around
'Cause he ain't got nobody to listen.....
@@krullzs To listen....
To listen...
To listen....
*IF I WERE GREEN I WOULD DIE*
You always have such great energy for these episodes! If you used the debug mode in the original Sonic the Hedgehog game I think you wouldn’t have had to use an approximation for seeing how many Sonics the radius of a loop would happen to be ᕦ⊙෴⊙ᕤ purrhapps
That's the most disturbing thumbnail I've seen in a while. XD
Agreed xox
...looks like a shocked _bird of prey_
@@skylx0812 lmao
I really love the chance to solve some of the problems during the episodes! I was always curious to see if I could come up with and solve problems as you do and now I can practice that and watch your videos at the same time!
"What SONIC Can Do at TOP SPEED?"
Well, we know he can take 9 million steps in a day
That Fitbit = must be one of the best gadgets in any universe
In all his comics he doesntbhave a top speed just a max acceleration which he improves over time.
simple math:
day: 24 hrs
steps 9 million:
adopting an avarage step distance: .5 meters
day in seconds: 86400
steps / second: 104,16
avg day speed: 52m/s
i'm completelly disappointed. i'm pretty sure that in the sonic intro music says "sonic faster than light...", and in some fan forums, around 8 times i guess.
@@GrulbGL faster than LIGHT? yeah no. Sonic adventure 2 battle say's iconic music, Escape the city, sings: "Running around at the speed of sound", which I dont think they ever showed him go any faster in any media to be honest. Light speed is running something like 7 times around the planet in a second.
SWEATCOINS RAINING
I am glad to see you are playing my game with me.
Film theorist for the win!
1:09 Dude - er I mean discount Thor , Jim Carrey was the best thing in the first Sonic trailers .
lasarith2 - AGREED! No idea what Kyle was on there.
Totally agree!
He never said he was bad or anything. He's talking about Jim Carrey's ridiculous ability to ad-lib... in a trailer nobody liked.
Sonic officially is about 5'11", Moved fast enough to escape a Black Hole (games), Moved fast enough to dodge lasers (games), and basically slid through dimensions (comics)
Hey Kyle, love the show. At 6:27 you wrote the equation as V squared on the left, when the equation you used to calculate sonic's entrance velocity to be 27mph had just V, so it should have been v = sqrt(5gr). If that equation was to be correct (v^2 = sqrt(5gr)), then the rearrangement of the equation would have had V to the fourth power instead of V squared. Just covering all basis just in case one of the corrections was wrong.
btw i love the cut off scream
V to the 4th actually. V squared squared would be to the fourth power.
@@Freyalise50 Thank you, everyone should thumb this so he sees this one. My math disagreed with him because he rewrote the equation wrong and I didnt notice immediately.
@@Freyalise50 thanks for the correction, ita been a long time since I've done maths,
after checking: it's supposed to be v=sqrt(5gr), and not v². v² should equal 5gr (which is what he used for further calculations, so no prob there)
@@irgyn he still wrote the equation down wrong though at 6:27
I love your videos I have been watching since 2019 and I just love how fun the videos are!
Kyle, there is one question ALL THREE OF YOU DUDES missed: What effect would Sonic's speed have on his environment. Things like:
- What happens to the air when he hits those speeds? What happens to the air IN THE LOOP-DE-LOOP when he hits those speeds?
- What happens to the track that he's running on when he hits those speeds? Could the various track elements even survive?
- What happens to those rings and our blue dude when he goes to collect them? Would they shoot through him like bullets? And would they survive?
- What would happen to all of those bad guys being that close to the blue dude? Would they survive? What injuries would they sustain?
- Are there questions I missed? I'm guessing that the blue dude isn't going fast enough to significantly alter the planet's rotational speed or inclination in the solar plane. I'm also going to go out on a limb and say his effects wouldn't be as drastic as would be in a race between Superman and The Flash, but I don't think I want to be anywhere near him when he goes zipping by.
Hey dude he made this video to give us a rough idea about Sonic's velocity not about the effcts he will cause to surrounding, if he ran at his pick speed or hypersonic speed.
You're getting Super Nerd, I'm calling it now
*Speed Force hand wave*
@@sameemsheikh2914 Except that the start of the video sounded like he might explore effects that the other two didn't talk about. The only thing he explored was how high of a loop-de-loop could Sonic run.
Okay, following your line of questioning,
-How far would you need to be from Sonic's path to be safe ?
What would be the effect of Sonic travelling through cities and towns? Would the structures be able to survive the blast of wind as he passed?
If sonic were running to your rescue and picked you up, would you turn into a red mist like that girl from "The Boys"?
Nice vid as always ;)
In fact, Sonic could run through even bigger loops, if you stop assuming the gravitational force to be constant while increasing the distance between the Object and the earths mass Center. Especially for the 120km loop, this will surely make a Difference :)
I learned more about physics in this video than in my entire semester of grade 11 physics
I like it when you ask us to solve the problems ourselves. Very interactive.
"If Sonic was A HYPER SONIC...."
*who's gonna tell him?*
Gotta get those Super emeralds first
Also sonic has been known run just under light speed
Sonic has broken the sound barrier before
@hames stanfield He has been shown to run faster than light in the comics.
Hyper Sonic doesn't exist
Kyle: "Why is there a little bunny in a robot-bee?"
Dr. Eggman: "Because SCIENCE!"
The speedy of sound.
I like how we aren’t just finding out Sonic’s speed, but using it in a cool way.
It refreshing AND it doesn’t 1000% destroy everyone’s childhoods.
Sonic Unleashed added a unique mechanic that:
Measured ring energy collected
Current speed
Accelerated speed
And achievable Mach speed / Max speed limit
It's those little details, that give each adventure a unique experience for a player to dive into.
2:28 So glad you pointed that out! Centrifugal is just something stopping a centripetal force
Can you explain what that centrifugal force is? From what I understand there isn't any centrifugal force at all on top of the loop, just an initial upward velocity gained earlier in the loop which temporary keeps Sonic on top of the loop but not forever. If there was a centrifugal force and a centripetal force equal and against eachother, Sonic can stand still on top of the loop and he will just keep going in the motion that he started with.
@@nicholasking2221 I just realized... that explanation only works on a spinning disc. NVM
03:52 and here we go again with that damn imperial unit measurement ... ok. 12mph = 19.3Km/h
Whats fumny is USA doesnt us miles it used US miles. Lmao
I am guessing that the vast majority of his viewers are in the US so is that really so surprising?
So I guess the “5.4 meters per second” mentioned just before that doesn’t count?
The final because science video it's been a wild ride kyle CYA real soon om your channel
"The living taco endorsement" omfg.
Please explain, I was shocked by it but I don't get it
@@laam999 the host of vsauce 3, Jake, really likes tacos.
Your drawings are amazing! I think thats the best part of your videos lol
Interesting, but I was expecting a discussion of Sonic's speed exiting the loop because: Sonic is not a rollercoaster. The thing about rollercoasters is, they coast. They get their initial impetus from the first hill and expend that over the course of their, er, course, so a coaster entering it's loop wouldn't gain back as much energy from the pull of gravity on the other side thanks to losses to friction and the kind, though "circular coaster in a vacuum" noodling says the net energy over the entire loop should be zero.
But Sonic is self propelled. He is constantly adding energy to the system so as to not coast to a stop. Even if Sonic doesn't add enough velocity to maintain a constant speed in his six meter loop, if he makes up for half the energy loss at the top of the loop, entered at 12m/s to reach a speed of ~9m/s rather than ~5m/s, when he exits he should be moving at between 15~16m/s(just figuring in me head, I'm sure someone will say with more accuracy).
When you scale that up to your Super Sonic and Hyper Sonic speeds, wouldn't Sonic be moving at abominable speeds? Something around ~2200m/s for Hyper Sonic?
@5:12 Kyle mentions "If he's just spinning around a loop, continuing on his speedy way, not adding energy to the system...", so I suspect this is Sonic balled up in a "non-running" form.
I guess it could be calculated if Sonic were running half-way up a loop and forms into a ball at the top (seeing as you can't run downhill faster than you can run without ow), but "half the energy loss" is kinda arbitrary and Kyle calculates both "always ball" and "always running" in a satisfying way.
Key Kyle! Long time listener first time caller.
Early in the video you say that Sonic isn't adding any energy to the system after he enters the system. While it is true that there is no energy from outside the system assisting him, Sonic wouldn't inherently run right up until he reaches the bottom of the loop and start rolling, but could continue running along the entire circumference of a loop to keep up his speed. This way he could either enter a loop slower and keep running in order not to fall at or before the peek of the loop or enter the loop at high speeds and then, after reaching the peek, continue running and accelerate to a speed faster than that at which he entered. The rate at which Sonic could accelerate and the amount of friction that he could apply the the loop would then be much more significant in determining how large a loop he could complete as he fights gravity on the way up the initial incline. Such speeds could create incredible centrifugal forces and, depending on Sonic's mass, could put the structure of the loop in jeopardy if his legs don't give way first. Because of this, I hypothesize that Sonic could potentially run around a loop with a diameter much larger than 120 km, so long as the loop were made of sufficiently strong materials.
The Sonic movie was actually really good.😂
It was average at best wouldn't call it great. Was just OK could have been better if it was more based on the game rather than that real world bs. Hopefully the next one better with more sonic characters I feel they would interact better with each other and feel like its a actual sonic movie not just a movie with sonic in it
@@zamon8erz10 The movie actually fits really well with the games and kinda creates a lot of explanations for stuff in the games...
Its kinda good for a origin... And thats the thing you and ppl saying that this movie should had more of the games.. its a origin movie, it needs to happen on earth and explain Sonic personality as well eggman origin...
It needed to be like that...
And because of budget...
@@TGHunter probably more budget than anything else, like I sed was a OK movie I dint hate it tho the humor was a bit hit n miss with me. I just think it would have been better with more sonic characters, but the next one will clearly have more so it might feel more like a sonic movie if you get me. This plot could have been any game character in that place I feel, I don't know the sonic lore beyond the old cartoons and the first 2 sonic games so I might be missing a lot of the hidden nods to lore
@@zamon8erz10 "I just think it would have been better with more sonic characters"
Sonic 1 is about Sonic and Eggman, and it needs a start for a new audience.
By that logic Sonic 1 is less Sonic than other games... which is not true.
"This plot could have been any game character in that place I feel"
Not really, this fits Sonic really well and gives more explanation for the events from the 3D games.
"I don't know the sonic lore beyond the old cartoons and the first 2 sonic games so I might be missing a lot of the hidden nods to lore"
Oh god im sure you are, btw forget the cartoon for the lore part, they never were cannon, totally a spin-off thing. I really recommend playing some more games or just looking it up, this movie shows a lot of heart behind it and it really fits Sonic, even with his personality giving room for him to delevop a lot.
It's even more bonkers than that, because your equation assumes that gravity is constant, rather than decreasing proportionately to the distance away from the Earth's surface.
I'm not sure exactly how you would go about factoring that into your equations, and it would probably make them way more complicated. Reality is awesome and messy.
Thank you for another excellent episode!
I think it would be REAL interesting if a video were made on who would be faster-The Flash or Shadow the Hedgehog. Sonic would be no match but I think even Shadow could give Flash a run for his money. The black hedgehog can run at near light speed after all.
Super Sonic could move that fast as well tho also which version of flash are we talking about cause depending on that determines if shadow is relevant
Ribotto Studios My answer is you’re a cutie Ribotto 😍
@@ayyyjirachi6530 yes but Sonic needs Super Sonic form to even keep up. JUST on his OWN, Shadow can run at near light speed levels. When he's Super Shadow, he's damn near invincible lol. And say if we had Barry Flash vs Shadow.
@@TheRibottoStudios lol yeah if so if we use Barry idk maybe pre crises he'd be faster but it would still be pretty fun to see
@@TheRibottoStudios Sonic runs faster than light in his base form. In Sonic CD he was traveling through time and in Sonic Generations he was able to restore color, life, and time to the zones he was running in. It was also confirmed by SEGA themselves that Sonic, Shadow, and Silver have the same speed...you can't wank Shadow and downplay Sonic.
After seeing the latest video on the channel, now I understand what you meant at 10:00 when you wrote... "Kyle has passed".
Hey Kyle, love the show! I have an equation for ya. Entertaining + kind + educational + fantastic hair = proof Kyle is the Bob Ross of science!
He lacks the calm, chill relaxing voice though.
Kyle hill is his new channel he is done here
Hey Kyle, love this show. For that final value you got for sonic traveling at hypersonic speeds, wouldn’t the actual diameter for the loop be greater than 120 km since sonic would be experiencing less gravity as he got closer to the border of space?
Oh hey, you're back!
This youtube channel is pure gold,the references,the maths,the jokes.
I mean how can someone be a huge nerd while being really really cool?
Hey show, love the Kyle!
I had a question about stars and iron. If you were to throw solid iron into a star would in have the same "poisoning" effect that starts have naturally once they create iron themselves or would something different happen? Could never find this online anywhere, and was too late to the star episode to put it up when it happened.
I get where you're coming from but, no throwing a chunk of iron into a star wouldn't do anything to it. The reason why stars die when they start producing iron is that fusing iron gives you a net energy loss (consequently, producing elements heavier than iron in a star requires supernova conditions). Think about it this way, throwing a chunk of iron into a star won't affect whether or not that star still has hydrogen and helium to fuse. Hope that helps.
@@mikhailkalashnikov7886 yes actually. Thank you.
I'd say no, iron is just something a star can't fuse any further to create energy. If you threw a chunk of iron into a star it's like tossing a stone in your furnace, it won't burn but it won't put the fire out either.
If you added a LOT of iron, though, you would probably speed the process up because its mass would increase.
Gaming Elementalist no, in simple terms it’s not the iron that does this but the running out of fuel that isn’t iron, as far as I know
Happy to help!
2 week hiatus with no explanation, that I saw or heard! Don't ever do that again! I can't live without your videos Kyle!
Your favorite Sonic character is Tails. You know how I know? Because Science.
It's your
@@user-rh8re2jf5f Thanks dude!
“Big ring energy” is the new big d energy
8:27 - Okay, now I need to see Sonic in a wind tunnel at NASA ...
That sounds awesome. Hey maybe a challenge for a later video
3nertia
Same here
Hey Kyle, greetings from Germany.
If Sonic had enough speed to run into space, you wouldn't be able to apply earths acceleration any more which would further increase the radius, if I'm not missing anything
Love the show, keep up with the cool content
"If we do some gyMATHtics... *nerdy chuckle*"
Best joke of the whole show. You can go home now. Also obligatory love the show :)
Brandon Folz
Agreed
Love the show. Missed you the past couple of weeks. Is everything ok with you, your friends and family? I hope so. Glad you're back.
I thought also something is missing with my notification..
Love the channel as always.
Couple questions to consider:
How fast are his feet moving? Twice the speed of himself?
How many steps is he taking per second?
(6 foot human = 2.5 foot stride. 2.5 foot creature = 1.25 foot stride.
-1700 m/s = ~5600 ft/s
That’s nearly 4500 steps per second, just roughly off the napkin. Not challenging him on the FitBit.)
What amount of force is being applied to his feet to accelerate to those speeds?
What about friction and how much that will slow him down after entering the loop at any given speed?
Also, what about his inability and/or ability to continue to apply force to himself as he climbs the entry?
No time to super nerd this all of them up.
Oh lets see well for the loop take the force required to move something that is roughly 3m in size and weighs about 30 lbs. For the friction? Well I don't know the exact speed reduction. His inability to add speed while he's going up the loop? Have you ever played a Sonic game and tried to go on a loop?
@ 10:00 -- 1974 days is the time difference between oct 2, 2014 (first episode of because science) and february 27, 2020 (this episode). and 282 is probably the number of because science episodes.
Didn't know it was foreshadowed in this episode all along. Kyle has passed indeed.
Kyle, why not use time dilation to determine the speed of Sonic during the bullet time sections in the Sonic movie?
That's the first thing that I thought of when I saw the episode about sonic speed.
Someone already did that and they calculated that in that scene alone he ran about 667,000,000 mph.
The speed of light is 670,616,629 mph he was almost going light speed
yeah..a cool fast episode, loved it. BTW Damien Walters did the loop on his foot collaborating with Red Bull.
I would absolutely love a Part 2 where you try and see just what *_SUPER SONIC_* could do
That would be REALLY entertaining!
A loop reaching into space could be a really cool level, even if the loop takes minutes to complete you could just fill it with interesting stuff while the background gradually gets darker and satellites start to fly by
Welcome back. Did they detain you for some supervillainy thing??
hey kyle, love the show! literally earned my like in about 30 seconds by bringing up the two channels that even led me to find your channel!
By Odin's beard, Thor lives!
One of the early cutscenes in Sonic Heroes shows Sonic matching and outpacing a jet aircraft, even running backwards while maintaining said speed for a while.
Kyle: "Why was there a bunny in the robot bee?"
Me: "Because Science"
So who's got the petition for the Sonic movie sequel to have a 3 and a half minute scene of Sonic running a giant space loop, during which they zoom in to a close-up where he winks, waves, and says "hi Kyle, love your show!"?
I don’t get why Knuckles isn’t the smartest character in the show, he has the most heads
4....
@@joshuaosei5628 ah yes, and it's disgusting too!
Joshua B OH NO
Sometimes four heads isn’t better than one.
Joshua B
... Huh?
Some fun cross-game trivia! At hypersonic speeds, it would take Sonic just over 5 hours to run around an entire standard Halo ring.
HKLTS. When you're dealing with distances that go to space, you shouldn't treat g as a constant. Using the comparatively straightforward g=GM/r2, we can see that on Earth's surface (r= the 6,378.1 km from Earth's center) gravity exerts 341.923 Newtons on Sonic, but at an extra 120 km above the earth's surface that value drops to 330.375 Newtons. That's a decrease of 3.37%. Factor that in, and that means Sonic can get to 124.195km. Of course, that distance does decrease gravity's effects even further, by a little over 1 Newton. To actually draw up the most correct answer requires using calculus to find the limit, but at that point we should also be looking at what Sonic gains be running through thinner and thinner atmosphere and also the potential issues presented by not being able to breathe for a significant percentage of his trip, so I think I'm going to finish making lunch instead.
Even faster than that. Video game sonic shows FTL speeds. He’s outran a black hole while in space. This is a massively faster than light feat. Not only that in the comics he can move casually at 13 trillionths of a millisecond. Base form. He’s also traveled BACKWARDS IN TIME as a result of his speed. This is an immeasurable speed feat. Aka infinite speed. Since we know Speed= distance/time. Him traveling backwards in time as a result of speed would be immeasurable since you can not measure the time
Welcome Back, Kyle, missed your show. Just a quick googling* got me this equation Radial Acceleration = v^2 / r with that product (in m/s^2) divided by 9.8m/s^2 to get G's. So at the bottom of the initial loop you described Sonic would pull about 2.4489 G's with the top producing a measly 0.4959 Gs. For comparison, roller-coaster loops usually pull around 6 G's. Funnily enough, at all the speeds and heights you list, 2.5G seems to be, not quite a constant, but a good touchstone, as the Gforces only seem to *very* slightly increase as the speed/height factors go up. It was almost as if it were designed to be perfectly run by actual athletes or performers (think the ball cages with motorcycles inside them). I wonder if there was any research done by the Sonic team on this during their initial designs? Anyway, Love the show and thanks for brightening the work week, 13mins at a time.
“Let’s face it, nobody wants to watch someone run in a loop for 3 1/2 minutes...”
Tony Hawk Fans: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE -
Sonic's size plays a big part of his speed. Plus he has less gravitational pull, which means when he's at the top sides of the loop he had less pull downwards, mixed with his speed make circular loopty loops a piece of cake for him. If they were any other shape he will have some issue because having to pause and change direction will cause him to lose momentum and fall. But that's just how gravity and physics works. Anywho.......... I'm sooooooo happy my favorite Science Sensei is back! I love the show and ONE DAY I'll be smart enough to be a SUPER NERD! (It's kinda my only goal in life that involves the internet) And Knuckles is the BEST! Shadow is a close second.
refreshed the instant it came up nicu first for once in my life =,/
Oof
hey kyle love the show. at 6:20 you accidentally put a square on the velocity, i was so happy because I thought I caught you slipping and could be a super nerd, but alas you corrected it again at 6:40 meaning you are correct. Giving me false hope, you truly are a villain
6:30 the equation has both a squared on the left and a sqrt on the right
Great episode Kyle! I think Sonic wouldn't need to be going at mach 5 to do a space loop. As he travels further away from earth's centre of gravity, the gravitational force and friction, impeding sonic's velocity, reduces the greater the altitude and so the energy required to move will be reduce. The benefit from the other end would be Sonic should be going faster at the apex of the loop (lesser resistance to his movement) which will increase his exit (3) velocity now that gravity is adding to his velocity on the reentry. Assuming he doesn't die from the friction and the compression of airflow, of reentry to earth. Sonic would become a living comet.
When Kyle says "centrifugal force" I'm always remembering my physics teacher telling the class several times that there's only the centripetal force (because the centrifugal force is a pseudo force as it's only a thing we experience due to Newton's third law). Now I can't even hear the words "centrifugal force" without having shivers down my spine and my teacher's voice in my head.
Anyways, I loved the show!
(P.S I use they/them pronouns...)
From the perspective a stationary frame of reference (the loop), the centripetal force is what the loop feels from sonic flying through it and being accelerated radially. The centrifugal force is the pseudo force sonic feels in his moving frame of reference, equal and opposite to the centripetal force, Newton's third law; they are just 2 sides of the same coin.
why was that necessary to include?
@@dane1382 it's like the vegan problem, he can't walk into a room without shouting it what he uses for pronouns
Another great episode! Thank you.
A few points however
1: the original Sonic from the movie was an abomination that never should have been created. They had so many reference models to use and didnt use them. The studio that was forced to fix it went bankrupt, so the people who did what they were asked lost their jobs because of this.
2: knuckles is in fact the coolest.
3: would Sonic pass out like you queried? Alternatively what would his body have to have (heart, special arteries, special organs) to survive the three different loops?
5:53 so you are saying Usain Bolt could run a 6 meter Loop XD
Yes
Guys on bmx and skateboards can ride through loops. Tony hawk has done it several times.
@@nubreed13 but on a fucking 6 Meter loop as well ?
He may destroy his knees and ankle doing that
The other reason loop-de-loops aren’t perfectly circular is to help prevent whiplash. Your head and body travel at different speeds in a loop (since they have different distances to cover), which means they have different momentums. This is also why it is more painful for a tall person to ride a roller coaster than a small person.
You are really good at writing backwards.
Just thought id say it.
He writes the right way around, and then they flip the video. Kyle isn't actually left handed.
I love this channel. I love Game Theory and MatPat. But there are issues with the assumptions a lot of people like them make. This is where I have to give you props, Kyle, for talking about why things have to be altered. (Additional props for talking about his super- and hyper-sonic speeds, and their implications, without talking about Super Sonic or Hyper Sonic, haha. The Sonic Universe gets as weird and as intense as most other comic book universes out there.)
But I hear the question now: "What are you talking about? I've played the games and those theories sound spot-on!"
Well, thank you for asking, handy dialectic prop.
First of all, Sonic can canonically run faster than the speed of sound, with some of his feats in various media suggesting he's even faster. For example, in the comics he's faster than displacement can take effect, scooping water out of the ocean, forming it into a ball, then throwing it at an enemy that was weak to water like it was a baseball. In another comic he crossed the equivalent of the majority of the United States in seconds. Even in the movie, Sonic went from Green Hills into the depths of the Pacific Ocean and back again in a couple seconds. Not to mention if we took into consideration how fast he would need to move for the traditional speedster feat of everything being almost frozen in time. (Though there's a solid argument that Sonic, a protector and environmentalist at heart, would stay below the sound barrier to avoid collateral damage outside of extreme circumstances.)
But even if we just look at games, there's a problem with using the classic Sonic 1 loops. First of all, Sonic's older incarnation is taller, noticeable in Sonic Generations. Classic Sonic is one meter, but Modern Sonic appears to be 1.5 meters. It's also not fair to use the size of the loops themselves from the original games, as their size was more likely to have been constrained by the limitations of the hardware. Starting in Sonic Adventure, the loops get *MUCH* bigger in the Dreamcast and Modern Eras. If we're trying to establish a floor for Sonic's top speed, we need to use the height of Modern Sonic and the tallest loop he clears. From there, gameplay tests would need to be done to compare the speeds the game shows and the minimum speed Sonic can clear the loop. Even as far back as the original 1991 game, Sonic's top speed in-game is faster than the minimum in-game speed needed to clear the loop. (Anyone who's played these games knows how much slower that minimum clear speed is.)
But then there's the final hurdle, the one that really sinks the likes of MatPat and his use of pixel measurements and in-game assets to calculate game speed... hardware limitations and gameplay design. (Sorry MatPat, I'm still a huge fan and I love your content. You too Kyle; you're awesome and don't you forget it.) What a game console has been able to accurately portray as super speed is limited, especially in how environments are handled. And that's not even bringing up the load on the environment designers. When creating the Daytime stages in Sonic Unleashed, I remember them talking about how the computers would have to process each level for days after it was completed. And the ability to make a realistic environment that passed as quickly as Sonic's speed would require? I question how realistic that computing power was in the hands of the average gamer. Maybe nowadays?
But that still leaves us limited to something we probably won't ever be able to do anything about: gameplay design. If Sonic truly moved at his canonical speeds, how would the player be able to react to realistic stimuli? That's the biggest limitation of using the visuals in the games as a basis, the games have to hold back so we mere mortals can play them.
"Nah, I'm Eggman"
-Void Thor
It's about time someone here actually addressed the hyper sonic speed which is Mach 5. The Sonic adventure manual said that Sonic could reach speeds up to 3840 mph, and this is rarely discussed on the internet because people refer to the speed of sound as Sonic's default and sometimes even final speed.
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Kyle went so fast he escaped the void
These equations were on my physics homework last week.
Finally, I can see the applications
What's interesting to point out here is that, considering the Sonic Wiki's top speed for him being around hyper-sonic speeds, and how that allows him to complete a loop that extends all the way to space, this implies that he's actively leaving the atmosphere of the earth, and therefore, the gravitational forces keeping him held down. With this in mind, we'd have to include as part of this calculation (somehow) that the gravitational pull that he's experiencing is decreasing the further up the loop he goes, similar to how rocket scientists and mathematicians have to calculate a rocket leaving the planet's orbit at a precise time and place. No matter what the calculations come out to, this means the loop he could theoretically complete is even larger than the one calculated in this video!
Not really a comment about this show, but it always amazes me how you right all the equations backwards and right to left... I'd ad pretty well too... Was it hard to get used to? Regarless, keep up the good work Kyle! Love the show!
It makes sense that he is so fast if you remember Doomsday Zone in Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Even if you don't have all of the chaos and super emeralds, Sonic is still seemingly able to move at the required velocity.
Hey Kyle! Long time listener first time caller.
In the video you said that 1715 m/s would rip us apart, but in many of your videos you discuss how velocity is never what's dangerous and that it's acceleration or deceleration that would hurt someone. As I'm sure you've calculated at some point yourself, the Earth, after accounting for its orbit around the sun, the solar system's motion, and the motion of our galaxy, is moving at roughly 2.1 million km/h or 583,300 m/s, many times faster than the speed that would presumably rip us apart; therefore, I'd have to argue that a velocity of 1715 m/s wouldn't be inherently lethal.
P.S. I wanted to send my work to you but I didn't want to make this comment too long and I couldn't find an email to send a picture to, sorry.
So like... my math might be a little bonkers, but if I'm right, at 1715/ms, Sonic would be pulling 100,000 G's on that 3m loop. At Matt Patt's numbers, he'd be pulling 4,000 G's, and at your modest 162 m/s it would still be almost 900 G's. THAT should be your next video. If Sonic can withstand any of these numbers, he'd be super durable. Imagine the crazy planets he could visit, or... withstanding enormous explosions! Won't help him with spikes though. Or breathing under water... god I always hated those levels... Great show, Kyle!
I got a Sonic ad before this video. Not surprising considering how ubiquitous they are, but still a weird coincidence imo
Hey Kyle, I got home from a physics exam not three hours ago, and literally had this exact same loop question (finding minimum speed to stay on the top) you just did come up on it, but with a pilot in a plane instead of sonic on a loop. There weren't any little animals though. :( Good to know I got that question right, thanks for checking my work. Now I'm feeling watched. I'm onto you, Kyle Hevill.
I think Kyle is Thor's long lost brother because Kyle looks like he could be one of Odin's bioligical sons in real life. Plus, Kyle is very knowledgeable concerning a lot of things in science. So if Kyle were Thor's long lost brother in real life, he would probably be Odin's smartest offspring.
All joking aside, though, I really enjoy Kyle's videos because he explains scientific concepts in a way so that a person that doesn't have any or has very little scientific knowledge concerning the subject being discussed in the video can easily come to an understanding of that subject by the end of the video.
Thank you, Kyle, for all the effort you put into your videos because you make science fun and interesting for all your fans.
Matpat: SONIC IS SLOW! CONFIRMED!!!
Kyle Hill: (Flips down Uno Reverse Card)
Long time no science bro. Welcome back.
8:28 "...if you're not perfectly designed to handle the forces involved, this VELOCITY, will rip you apart..."
"Laughs in a constant velocity of 107,000,000 m/s"