I forgot to mention this - Apple's DAC is very moderately powerful (especially the EU version) and I recommend it only for IEMs or other very sensitive headphones. It can't drive properly any model with high impedance or just power-demanding.
2:25 It actually depends on the phone Some phones that run Android don't have this issue, but many do. As a side note: If you have an LG Android phone still, don't get rid of it, use it as a DAP. LG for whatever reason decided to bypass the DAC inside of the Qualcomm SoCs and used ESS Sabre DACs instead.
some believe that it should be bite perfect. so that it is the same quantization frequency as the recording is made in or streamed in. so choose the Lossless mode on Apple Music and not the hi-res mode. If you use the cheap adapter from Apple
This hits home. I just bought a schiit modi+ to hook up to a wiim mini instead of using iphone + apple dac. I have to say that I’m considering returning the wiim and schiit and just hooking up the Apple dac to and an old ipad or laptop for streaming. The schiit is good but I feel that the apple has a bigger soundstage and is close enough otherwise that it isn’t worth 13x the price for the schiit.
Apple uses the same chip across its line-up since 2020 it’s a 32 bit floating point up to 96k Cirrus Logic chip made exclusively for Apple devices. Mac, iPhone, iPad, anudio donglesand so on use the same ad/da chip so to keep overloading distortions down in apps like FaceTime. The chip is Cirrus Logic CS42L84A-CWZ Audio Codec. Cirrus Logic make a 32 bit fixed point version of this same chip but make a floating point version exclusively for Apple products.
What is the advantage of floating point? One of the bit perfect music player apps has floating point as an option I've wondered when to use that why to use it etc.....
@@KevinAnderson-c3jfloating point is used in audio production. You don't have to worry about it for lossless files. You were probably using neutron. If you are playing mp3s it's important because they use floating point. Neutron automatically decodes them as 32bit fp. On the output you should have dither with noise shaping on with upsampling 2x or 4x for the best sound if your device doesn't support native 32bit fp.
It’s actually very good. So cheap that I own 4 of them so they’re always readily available. I tried five external dongles and they were OK. I use it exclusively for my iPhone.
@@jcap8391 the hardware inside is still the same, I didn't notice any meaningful difference between the lightning adapter I used on my 13 pro and the USB-C one that I started using on my 15 Pro Max
@@clickbaitpro I use it as desktop DAC too and it’s amazing how good it is for the money. Probably the best value in audio there is. Nothing comes close for so cheap.
Thanks for the info - I bought the Apple USB C DAC for my Samsung Galaxy S20 and wondered why it was so quiet - I'd given up on it, and thought I'd just buy a set of USB C earphones instead, since it was only for casual use. Are there any budget USB C earphones you'd recommend?
HAHA I Love that track! I think I appreciate the pointing out of that track "Bass & Drum Intro" as much as the review itself. This is my 3rd video of yours I'm watching. So far it's great & appreciated.
The apple dongle sounds good with PC USB output. Also, the USA version of the dongle has more power than the European version, even if you are using the app.
Wait on a minute….. What??? No comment about its PRaT? THANK GOODNESS!!! You do a great job of describing sound characteristics and their differences between devices without using ridiculous audiofoolery garbage terms. Well done. My first visit and you got a new subscriber. Cheers
The Apple dongle DAC is a no brainer for almost everybody, because it Works perfectly in the ubiquous Windows, It sounds wonderful in my laptop and still have some use in my Android phone with some free tweaking. Simgot EW100P plus that ilttle thing and you got the a great sounding affordable setup.
Thankfully Roon ARC also now successfully circumvents the android USB DAC SRC etc issues too, not only USB Audio Player Pro. So I guess that'd work with this apple item too.
The DAC that came bundled with the Razer Phone II is the best Phone DAC! I have it, along with the Apple, Google, and Samsung and the Razer is the only one that will push my Sennheiser HD 6XX and Fostex T50RPs.
Great review. I have the Apple dongle and use it with my iPhone, it works well, but if I need balanced output and need more refinement, better soundstage and gut, I use other devices.
Tip for limited volume from a dongle. Go to your phone's audio settings and see if you have an equaliser with Samsung UI, (Settings > Sounds and Vibrations > Sound Quality and Effects > Equaliser), you can boost or cut everything by 10dB.
some believe that it should be bite perfect. so that it is the same quantization frequency as the recording is made in or streamed in. so choose the Lossless mode on Apple Music and not the hi-res mode. If you use the cheap adapter from Apple
My experience with it is that it sounds ok, but not good enough for a “quality” hi-fi setup to be viable sonically, is void of flexibility, and was not able to supply enough signal and maintain its “best” audio quality. The difference between this one and spending a couple hundred bucks is like night and day, but then you can argue that when comparing spending a couple hundred bucks to spending a couple thousand bucks, it doesn’t feel like such a value/dollar depending on your situation. Most people really don’t need any DAC’s in 4 or 5 digit prices. Schiit and Topping dacs in the $150-$450 range is all that is usually needed, and an accompanying headphone amp, if headsets are your passion.
the limitation to 1/2 power is only happening on the EU version of the apple dongle because EU law limits power on mobile devices, on a laptop the EU version apple dongle does not have this limitation because laptops are not classified as mobile device.
Wow - *excellent* video! I would not have suspected that the USB C version of the Apple DAC would be neutered - though if I am cynical, I can think of why ...
I used the Apple dongle with a Google Pixel 5/8 + Moondrop Aria or Senheiser IE 100 Pro and the volume can go much higher that I can ever listen at 😅 That's the only Apple product I use because it has a decent sound and is small when compared to other DACs.
High sensitivity headphones recommended. (such as K361) to get acceptable sound, much better than that available from the 3.5 mm jack. Relatively power hungry headphones (HD600, Sundara, etc) NEED an amplifier dongle. There are similar 10$ devices with USB-C instead of Lightning. They work much better than the internal dac in MY XiaoMi A1 :-). AND the Wavelet EQ app is amazingly good. It uses a vast database of parametric EQ profiles for most hp. The result is a cheap, cheerful, no clutter, weightless solution when you want to travel light. Quite amazing! (for the price) Android resamples to 48 kHz. An app is available bypassing this limitation. Nice, but it's not an audible must.
I just got an APPLE Dac for my new IEMS and honestly idk bout the powerr thing... Idk if it's changed in the last year but this thing is LOUD. Like I reach my max listening volume at 25%
Ahhh that explains why the Apple dongle was so quiet when I tried to use it with my Pixel...I had to get one a few weeks ago cause I lost my old pair of headphones and the store only had the Apple dongle
If I can recall it correctly, I think Tidal on android allowed since somewhere last year or so to access a DAC output directly and use exclusive mode on such output device. I confirmed it back then by using the iFi device I owned and seeing it display the MQA indicative light.
So without the tidal app dac powerr is at 50% on galaxy phones? I have the s20 ultra. What if I'm playing youtube via galaxy is the dac power reduced to 50%? Is it only audio via tidal with is full 100%?
So without the tidal app dac powerr is at 50% on galaxy phones? I have the s20 ultra. What if I'm playing youtube via galaxy is the dac power reduced to 50%? Is it only audio via tidal with is full 100%?
I own Apple dongle + IPhone 12 and IBasso DX240 DAP. Totally agree about thin sound of Apple dongle. This is not hi-fi device but it is sufficient in on the go scenario. I use it with Moondrop Aria. It’s great for my to work commute.
I agree that with IEM s this dac is super effective, but with 32ohms headphones and higher, Apples dac sounds very weak. It’s very noticeable. I have more power directly from iPad or MacBook jack
I was going to get the apple dongle for my Samsung but luckily I saw some reviews mentioned the power reduction. I ended up getting the CYBERDRIVE USB-C Audio DAC on Amazon and I have to say I'm super impressed. It sounds just as good as any fiio product I've used being the new k3 and the btr5 dare I say the k5 too
2:16 exactly why i came to this video. USB AUDIO PLAYER PRO, hmmm? Direct access to DAC in the Apple adapter. The same 5:45 ?? 10:25 Others better but $79?
Thanks for providing very helpful information, as always. I have one suggestion to make your channel even more effective. Please avoid saying 'this one' or 'that one' when referring to different products. Instead, please use the product's actual name as I think it will make the information easier to follow and any comparisons more easily understandable. Thanks again for your excellent work.
On PC it work good, no compatibility issues with volume control. But US dongle is 1V RMS and EU limited to 0.5V RMS - this is a EU law regulation. So use it with low impedance and high sensitivity. I use EU dongle and low impedance (8om) planar headphones without any preamps and it's great. But with higher impedance it can be worse
Hello, I just discovered your channel. I want to buy a pair of headphones for video editing. I'll mainly use them on my PC with a 3.5mm jack, but occasionally I'd like to use them on my iPad with USB-C and on my iPhone with Lightning. I'm considering the classic earpods. Since they cost 15 euros, do you suggest buying all three types of connections or to avoid unnecessary complications, is it perfectly okay to get the ones with a jack and the two Apple adapters at 10 euros each? How do they perform in terms of latency? I also have the 3rd generation AirPods, but I'd like to avoid latency issues. Do you suggest any other good headphones under 30 euros? Thank you very much.
I bought K13 2 weeks ago. The Apple Dongle is a piece of shit compared to the quality and fidelity of KA13. Don't even hesitate - throw your apple dongle in the trash bin.
Actually I use Lightning dac to drive my campfire andromeda, I prefer this over any other dongle that I have, apple Lightning dac tamed andromeda’s crazy mid bass and I’m really enjoying them now
yeah, and unlike Crinacle's video, this one goes into how it differs from pricier DACs rather than just go "it's fine/you don't need anything more expensive". Looking at other comments here, it seems like Crinacle's video was focused on general consumers that don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on each piece of sound equipment.
Thank you for the videos I’m new to the Audiophile world and just received my first nice IEM the Sennheiser IE600 and plugged it to my IPhone 15 pro using the Apple dongle I was underwhelmed by how low the volume was and honestly disappointed and thought about returning them Do you think I should get a better DAC? What would you recommend if my goal is the best and loudest music experience? Thank you again
Hi ! I’m also a beginner audiophile and I use IE 200. I think that the issue you’re encountering has to do with the dongle itself and not your IEMs. After having two different dongles (both of which broke due to their poor design) I can say that both of them needed different volume to be selected on my phone to realistically output the same level of volume . I personally haven’t had the issue where sound would be quiet despite my volume being all the way up on 100%. Both IE 200 and IE 600 have impedance of just 18 ohms so they don’t require much energy to drive them and these dongles should absolutely handle driving them just fine. I would suggest you looking for those “high res” kind of DACs (basically the kind of DACs shown in this video) if you know what I mean. They are expensive and I don’t have any experience with them but some audiophiles go as far as saying that they’re so good they can’t even be compared to regular dongles so I don’t know….
But it does not offer The highest technical standard that Apple itself has on Apple Music as 24 bit /192 kHz. It only supports 24/bit 48kHz. . which in Apple music corresponds to Lossless on settings
Thanks for such detailed and informative video. I bought the UAPP app, it gave new life to my favourite heaphone which i thought only sounded good (wired) on my laptop.
Hi I compared the DAC plugged in between my Lenovo laptop (I already changed the setting to DAC USB C cable output sound) and my iPad Air 5th; there is a significant difference between them. Are there any ways, like how you showed it on the video with an Android phone, that the DAC would be sufficient for all its power on my laptop?
I have the non-Apple version of that dongle for 5 bucks, and it connects my aux headphones to the phone via Bluetooth. The sound is terrible. So I guess it's the dongle issue?
I have an ifi go bar, I use it at home occasionally when I am away from my main system or on vacation. I don't use it when I am out and about because its fiddly and the lightning > usb cable is stiff and fragile. I have 2 of the Apple dongles - their strength lie in small size and low cost, I use them, especially when I am skiing with FiiO FF3 earbuds and a bluetooth button to control the music player. The Apple dongle is a step down from the go bar but, but I still get excellent sound in this environment.
I bought this for my android Phone but it's not working properly the sound too low almost like whispering. Can someone tell me why it's not working and what should I do.
The apple usb c to 3.5mm sounds extremely low on my s23 ultra when compared to the lighting to 3.5mm. I suggest going for another dongle if you switced to android from an iphone. I i used the periodic audio rhodium and its much better and fuller sounding with no low volume issues. Must be the android OS
I! I am about to buy a Lightning to HDMI adaptor from apple to connect my iPad Air 2 to. Denon AVR 1611 in order to listen music with tidal. I think by this way I will use the Denon internal DAC and would work fine. Did you ever tried this? Thank you!
which phones have highest voltage output? it’s all very low; this dictated how loud. maybe older phones are higher voltage or, if anyone knows? this is key
I've had the apple dongle and believe me it's not worth it because I love my movies and music so having a dongle with a d.a.c built inside makes all the difference to me
Then a question what source do you use when you test them. I hope it wasn't mp3 files. but at least flac in 16 bit and best of all 24 bit which is also available as WAV and AIFF
Pseudoscience and placebo. You can’t distinguish difference between audio format and miniscule amount of bitrate just like you cannot tell the difference between PNG and JPG pictures
Excellent helpful video. If you ever get into comparing affordable switch mode power supplies, I hear from PassionforSound that the Apple one is also pretty good. I think iFi makes one as well. That would be interesting.
is the volume controls expected to work for andoird phones with this DAC? I tested on 2 android phones and a single press of the up/down vol button sends a hold command that maxes out or mute the volume.
Thanks for all your info on these dacs. I have an android s22ultra and have been using the apple dongle. Ok sound, but no real power,not enough volume. Trying the Anker usb c to 3.5mm..omg the difference! More volume than one would need with wired iems or buds. Thanks for the heads up with the Apple product.
so simply it works awesome with iPhone andriod with that app annndd pc as i read the 50% reducing of the power is only with phones with pc its 100% power which is tbh great
Hey Soul, Thanks for this information ,i bought 3 Hidiz day recommended by you and 7Hz dac for my friend as i asked him to buy apple dongle for his android as it was sound amazing on my iPhone but we didn't know about UAPP app back in September 22 thanks again keep up the good work.
Can this dongle last long for 3 or 4 years? It is 16-24bit/48khz my phone is 24/192 but my headphone 16/48 should i buy kinsound 32/384 or buy apple c to 3.5 i don't like its build quality
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I forgot to mention this - Apple's DAC is very moderately powerful (especially the EU version) and I recommend it only for IEMs or other very sensitive headphones. It can't drive properly any model with high impedance or just power-demanding.
yes is not as loud as the Samsung DAC dongle which imo bests the apple overall for that reason.
Extra medium.
Is there any free app same sound quality as USB Audio Player Pro?
@@STAYCBias I have issues with UAPP on my device, and Neutron Player (trial) is free and seems to "unlock" the Apple dongle in the same way as UAPP.
Those Chinese boutique brands make excellent audio gear ⚙️
2:25 It actually depends on the phone
Some phones that run Android don't have this issue, but many do.
As a side note: If you have an LG Android phone still, don't get rid of it, use it as a DAP. LG for whatever reason decided to bypass the DAC inside of the Qualcomm SoCs and used ESS Sabre DACs instead.
They'll have to pry my LGV30 from my cold, dead, hands.
@@5theband5 Same with my lg v20 and lg v30. V30 does have a finnicky fingerprint sensor because I accidentally cracked the back glass
I have an LG V40 that I absolutely love. I was very disappointed when I got my iPhone14.
@@Blacksunshine636Yet the Apple Type C to 3.5mm will sound better lol.
@@MGErick wrong
I was searching for this info for like 3 days, and couldn't find a comprehensive info like yours. Then suddenly UA-cam recommended this. Thanks.
The apple dongle doesn't support anything higher than 48kHz (no DSD, no 96kHz, etc.). Might not matter to some people, but it's still a limitation.
@@rboy91lmfao
@@rboy91 Or maybe someone with more revealing equipment than you have... 🤔
@@mgseecope
The theory is that it matters how many times the sound is sampled per second, even at significantly lower frequencies
some believe that it should be bite perfect. so that it is the same quantization frequency as the recording is made in or streamed in. so choose the Lossless mode on Apple Music and not the hi-res mode. If you use the cheap adapter from Apple
This hits home. I just bought a schiit modi+ to hook up to a wiim mini instead of using iphone + apple dac. I have to say that I’m considering returning the wiim and schiit and just hooking up the Apple dac to and an old ipad or laptop for streaming. The schiit is good but I feel that the apple has a bigger soundstage and is close enough otherwise that it isn’t worth 13x the price for the schiit.
Tell me more…
You could "air parrot" your iPhone to the iPad+DAC streamer for the wireless airplay functionality you'd be losing if you returned the mini.
Apple uses the same chip across its line-up since 2020 it’s a 32 bit floating point up to 96k Cirrus Logic chip made exclusively for Apple devices. Mac, iPhone, iPad, anudio donglesand so on use the same ad/da chip so to keep overloading distortions down in apps like FaceTime. The chip is Cirrus Logic CS42L84A-CWZ Audio Codec. Cirrus Logic make a 32 bit fixed point version of this same chip but make a floating point version exclusively for Apple products.
would the seeaudio rinko run well on this apple dongle dac on my iphone ?
What is the advantage of floating point? One of the bit perfect music player apps has floating point as an option I've wondered when to use that why to use it etc.....
@@KevinAnderson-c3jfloating point is used in audio production. You don't have to worry about it for lossless files. You were probably using neutron. If you are playing mp3s it's important because they use floating point. Neutron automatically decodes them as 32bit fp. On the output you should have dither with noise shaping on with upsampling 2x or 4x for the best sound if your device doesn't support native 32bit fp.
It’s actually very good. So cheap that I own 4 of them so they’re always readily available. I tried five external dongles and they were OK. I use it exclusively for my iPhone.
You mean the lightning dac
@@jcap8391 the hardware inside is still the same, I didn't notice any meaningful difference between the lightning adapter I used on my 13 pro and the USB-C one that I started using on my 15 Pro Max
It's not that good apple just handicaps all others so that they don't work as they should .
@@nitrobear The type-c one measures better
@@clickbaitpro I use it as desktop DAC too and it’s amazing how good it is for the money. Probably the best value in audio there is. Nothing comes close for so cheap.
Your brilliantly brutal, honest and playful reviews are soooo fantastic to watch.... THANK YOU!! 😁😁😁
Thanks for the info - I bought the Apple USB C DAC for my Samsung Galaxy S20 and wondered why it was so quiet - I'd given up on it, and thought I'd just buy a set of USB C earphones instead, since it was only for casual use. Are there any budget USB C earphones you'd recommend?
Extreme budget hi -res Vivo xe710 and jpl tune 310 c both are good but JBL is budget premium earphone
@@clueno4426 thanks!
HAHA I Love that track! I think I appreciate the pointing out of that track "Bass & Drum Intro" as much as the review itself. This is my 3rd video of yours I'm watching. So far it's great & appreciated.
You shouldn't see which cable is attached for reviews. It can influence your opinions. Thanks for your video.
The apple dongle sounds good with PC USB output. Also, the USA version of the dongle has more power than the European version, even if you are using the app.
Wait on a minute….. What??? No comment about its PRaT? THANK GOODNESS!!! You do a great job of describing sound characteristics and their differences between devices without using ridiculous audiofoolery garbage terms. Well done. My first visit and you got a new subscriber. Cheers
The Apple dongle DAC is a no brainer for almost everybody, because it Works perfectly in the ubiquous Windows, It sounds wonderful in my laptop and still have some use in my Android phone with some free tweaking. Simgot EW100P plus that ilttle thing and you got the a great sounding affordable setup.
would the seeaudio rinko run well on this apple dongle dac on my iphone ?
You use tweaking by root and magisk modules ?
It works for week and after that the cable breaks. Bought two and won't buy third.
Thankfully Roon ARC also now successfully circumvents the android USB DAC SRC etc issues too, not only USB Audio Player Pro. So I guess that'd work with this apple item too.
nice to see somebody talking about USB AUDIO I use for years. Excellent app.
Such content is really rare! Thanks
Tip, If you Open UAP first with full volume, and close the app, the dac still in full volume and sound for other apps
The DAC that came bundled with the Razer Phone II is the best Phone DAC! I have it, along with the Apple, Google, and Samsung and the Razer is the only one that will push my Sennheiser HD 6XX and Fostex T50RPs.
I bought one and mainly use it with some easy to drive "cheap" headphones for listening to Podcasts via my old iPAD. For that it works well enough.
What a superb video. No bullshit, just facts. Thank you brother. Peace and Love from Manchester, England.
Great review. I have the Apple dongle and use it with my iPhone, it works well, but if I need balanced output and need more refinement, better soundstage and gut, I use other devices.
Which other devices are better?
How does it compare to the SMSL M500 mkII :D
Can you use the adapter on the MacBook instead of the built in 3.5 mm jack?
Yes. Your audio will sound better too.
Tip for limited volume from a dongle.
Go to your phone's audio settings and see if you have an equaliser with Samsung UI, (Settings > Sounds and Vibrations > Sound Quality and Effects > Equaliser), you can boost or cut everything by 10dB.
Bad idea . Doing that you get massive clipping and skyrockets THD and noise
some believe that it should be bite perfect. so that it is the same quantization frequency as the recording is made in or streamed in. so choose the Lossless mode on Apple Music and not the hi-res mode. If you use the cheap adapter from Apple
Good information for us Android users.
My experience with it is that it sounds ok, but not good enough for a “quality” hi-fi setup to be viable sonically, is void of flexibility, and was not able to supply enough signal and maintain its “best” audio quality. The difference between this one and spending a couple hundred bucks is like night and day, but then you can argue that when comparing spending a couple hundred bucks to spending a couple thousand bucks, it doesn’t feel like such a value/dollar depending on your situation. Most people really don’t need any DAC’s in 4 or 5 digit prices. Schiit and Topping dacs in the $150-$450 range is all that is usually needed, and an accompanying headphone amp, if headsets are your passion.
@mifugaming7435
I definitely agree. Can't beat it for the price from anything I've seen.
I've been searching the internet for this information all day long and sir, thank you so much because you answered everything for me!
the limitation to 1/2 power is only happening on the EU version of the apple dongle because EU law limits power on mobile devices, on a laptop the EU version apple dongle does not have this limitation because laptops are not classified as mobile device.
Wow - *excellent* video! I would not have suspected that the USB C version of the Apple DAC would be neutered - though if I am cynical, I can think of why ...
So, can I use Audiocular D07 with iPhone 15 without any problem ??
I used the Apple dongle with a Google Pixel 5/8 + Moondrop Aria or Senheiser IE 100 Pro and the volume can go much higher that I can ever listen at 😅
That's the only Apple product I use because it has a decent sound and is small when compared to other DACs.
Thanks, you just produce such great content, smart, easy to understand and unbiased :-)
High sensitivity headphones recommended. (such as K361) to get acceptable sound, much better than that available from the 3.5 mm jack.
Relatively power hungry headphones (HD600, Sundara, etc) NEED an amplifier dongle.
There are similar 10$ devices with USB-C instead of Lightning. They work much better than the internal dac in MY XiaoMi A1 :-). AND the Wavelet EQ app is amazingly good. It uses a vast database of parametric EQ profiles for most hp.
The result is a cheap, cheerful, no clutter, weightless solution when you want to travel light. Quite amazing! (for the price)
Android resamples to 48 kHz. An app is available bypassing this limitation. Nice, but it's not an audible must.
i own a pair of k361's and wonder if it would be worth to use this dongle for my pc instead of onboard sound (ALC1200)
would the seeaudio rinko run well on this apple dongle dac on my iphone ?
I just got an APPLE Dac for my new IEMS and honestly idk bout the powerr thing... Idk if it's changed in the last year but this thing is LOUD. Like I reach my max listening volume at 25%
Ahhh that explains why the Apple dongle was so quiet when I tried to use it with my Pixel...I had to get one a few weeks ago cause I lost my old pair of headphones and the store only had the Apple dongle
On android uapp or root can be solution,with pc it work great as is
all devices are just super low voltage so they’re run quieter. like turn tables.
The only Apple product that have good value for the price
If I can recall it correctly, I think Tidal on android allowed since somewhere last year or so to access a DAC output directly and use exclusive mode on such output device. I confirmed it back then by using the iFi device I owned and seeing it display the MQA indicative light.
So without the tidal app dac powerr is at 50% on galaxy phones? I have the s20 ultra. What if I'm playing youtube via galaxy is the dac power reduced to 50%? Is it only audio via tidal with is full 100%?
So without the tidal app dac powerr is at 50% on galaxy phones? I have the s20 ultra. What if I'm playing youtube via galaxy is the dac power reduced to 50%? Is it only audio via tidal with is full 100%?
I own Apple dongle +
IPhone 12 and IBasso DX240
DAP. Totally agree about thin sound of Apple dongle. This is not hi-fi device but it is sufficient in on the go scenario. I use it with Moondrop Aria. It’s great for my to work commute.
would the seeaudio rinko run well on this apple dongle dac on my iphone ?
Just get the moondrop dawn pro dac and you’ll get the best possible sound for only 50$
Poweramp app it works perfect too and it does recognise the usb dacs :-) I found poweramp better to use.
All phones will have an internal dac, otherwise how does audio come out of the internal speaker?
Yes, but the iPhone doesn’t pass analog on the USB output, it’s digital only.
I agree that with IEM s this dac is super effective, but with 32ohms headphones and higher, Apples dac sounds very weak. It’s very noticeable. I have more power directly from iPad or MacBook jack
Yes, because US version have only 1V RMS and EU limited to 0.5V
I thought poweramp pro had the smarts to overcome Hardware tricks like you described ?
I was going to get the apple dongle for my Samsung but luckily I saw some reviews mentioned the power reduction. I ended up getting the CYBERDRIVE USB-C Audio DAC on Amazon and I have to say I'm super impressed. It sounds just as good as any fiio product I've used being the new k3 and the btr5 dare I say the k5 too
Is there an alternative to usb audio player pro?
Does a type-c IEM activate 24bit or 32bit on Samsung devices ? Ofc by using third party apps.
What about the official samsung usbc to 3.5 dac? It's about $30, or there a better alternative?
4:10 does this Work with Windows? Or which OS do you mean When you say IT doesnt Work with OS?
2:16 exactly why i came to this video. USB AUDIO PLAYER PRO, hmmm? Direct access to DAC in the Apple adapter. The same 5:45 ??
10:25 Others better but $79?
Thanks for providing very helpful information, as always. I have one suggestion to make your channel even more effective. Please avoid saying 'this one' or 'that one' when referring to different products. Instead, please use the product's actual name as I think it will make the information easier to follow and any comparisons more easily understandable. Thanks again for your excellent work.
Thanks for the advice.
Could you please try to use it on a PC computer and tell it sounds fine and loud or is it also limited in power on Windows or Linux PC ?
On PC it work good, no compatibility issues with volume control.
But US dongle is 1V RMS and EU limited to 0.5V RMS - this is a EU law regulation.
So use it with low impedance and high sensitivity. I use EU dongle and low impedance (8om) planar headphones without any preamps and it's great. But with higher impedance it can be worse
Hello, I just discovered your channel. I want to buy a pair of headphones for video editing. I'll mainly use them on my PC with a 3.5mm jack, but occasionally I'd like to use them on my iPad with USB-C and on my iPhone with Lightning. I'm considering the classic earpods. Since they cost 15 euros, do you suggest buying all three types of connections or to avoid unnecessary complications, is it perfectly okay to get the ones with a jack and the two Apple adapters at 10 euros each? How do they perform in terms of latency?
I also have the 3rd generation AirPods, but I'd like to avoid latency issues.
Do you suggest any other good headphones under 30 euros?
Thank you very much.
Would a Fiio K13 dongle out of iPhone benefit sound with efficient 30 ohm/100dB Phillips X2HR headphones? Currently using Apple dongle.
I bought K13 2 weeks ago. The Apple Dongle is a piece of shit compared to the quality and fidelity of KA13. Don't even hesitate - throw your apple dongle in the trash bin.
@@metalrat2okay but y
Actually I use Lightning dac to drive my campfire andromeda, I prefer this over any other dongle that I have, apple Lightning dac tamed andromeda’s crazy mid bass and I’m really enjoying them now
Thoughts on Dell USB Type C - 3.5 mm jack which is a digital/analogue converter?
Did you check the DAC on a windows laptop or Mac? Thanks
It work good
An Apple product that isn't overpriced? It might actually be a first.
Says something about using this product then
Expected it to cost 40-50$
What do you recommend now that is mic compatible (bc mic cables exist for iem's)
Nice topic. Actually there is a video from Crinacle with that dongle called :”this is fine”
yeah, and unlike Crinacle's video, this one goes into how it differs from pricier DACs rather than just go "it's fine/you don't need anything more expensive". Looking at other comments here, it seems like Crinacle's video was focused on general consumers that don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on each piece of sound equipment.
Type c to rca does it sound better than airplay ?
Thank you for the videos
I’m new to the Audiophile world and just received my first nice IEM the Sennheiser IE600 and plugged it to my IPhone 15 pro using the Apple dongle
I was underwhelmed by how low the volume was and honestly disappointed and thought about returning them
Do you think I should get a better DAC?
What would you recommend if my goal is the best and loudest music experience?
Thank you again
Hi ! I’m also a beginner audiophile and I use IE 200. I think that the issue you’re encountering has to do with the dongle itself and not your IEMs. After having two different dongles (both of which broke due to their poor design) I can say that both of them needed different volume to be selected on my phone to realistically output the same level of volume . I personally haven’t had the issue where sound would be quiet despite my volume being all the way up on 100%. Both IE 200 and IE 600 have impedance of just 18 ohms so they don’t require much energy to drive them and these dongles should absolutely handle driving them just fine. I would suggest you looking for those “high res” kind of DACs (basically the kind of DACs shown in this video) if you know what I mean. They are expensive and I don’t have any experience with them but some audiophiles go as far as saying that they’re so good they can’t even be compared to regular dongles so I don’t know….
Ok but what about using it on a windows desktop?
Is there any dongle in the apples price range that works properly with android?
Just want hear answers too
update me pls
But it does not offer The highest technical standard that Apple itself has on Apple Music as 24 bit /192 kHz. It only supports 24/bit 48kHz. . which in Apple music corresponds to Lossless on settings
Much needed review/explanation, thanks.
Have you tested it with PC? Does PC have the same issue as what you mentioned in Android?
It work without issues on PC
Thanks for such detailed and informative video. I bought the UAPP app, it gave new life to my favourite heaphone which i thought only sounded good (wired) on my laptop.
Your reviews are so good I’m surprised you don’t have 100k subs
Hi
I compared the DAC plugged in between my Lenovo laptop (I already changed the setting to DAC USB C cable output sound) and my iPad Air 5th; there is a significant difference between them. Are there any ways, like how you showed it on the video with an Android phone, that the DAC would be sufficient for all its power on my laptop?
There is another possibility lighting to USB adapter. so you can connect it to a DAC or, for example, to another audio device
Does it work with Samsung Galaxy S series????????
I have the non-Apple version of that dongle for 5 bucks, and it connects my aux headphones to the phone via Bluetooth. The sound is terrible. So I guess it's the dongle issue?
I have an ifi go bar, I use it at home occasionally when I am away from my main system or on vacation. I don't use it when I am out and about because its fiddly and the lightning > usb cable is stiff and fragile. I have 2 of the Apple dongles - their strength lie in small size and low cost, I use them, especially when I am skiing with FiiO FF3 earbuds and a bluetooth button to control the music player. The Apple dongle is a step down from the go bar but, but I still get excellent sound in this environment.
Is there any application that can unlock Apple DAC to use with UA-cam Music on Android (Honor Magic 5 Lite Phone)?
Can you please confirm if you can use shazam to detect songs after UAPP takes control over the dac ?
I preferably use the poweramp app i think its better for music and there are a lot more settings
Can we use it on Android?
I bought this for my android Phone but it's not working properly the sound too low almost like whispering. Can someone tell me why it's not working and what should I do.
Did you watch the video? He explains why that happens.
The apple usb c to 3.5mm sounds extremely low on my s23 ultra when compared to the lighting to 3.5mm. I suggest going for another dongle if you switced to android from an iphone. I i used the periodic audio rhodium and its much better and fuller sounding with no low volume issues. Must be the android OS
Does this dongle work with a usb hub?
I was thinking of buying one for the headphones in my PC. Would it even be compatible?
I! I am about to buy a Lightning to HDMI adaptor from apple to connect my iPad Air 2 to. Denon AVR 1611 in order to listen music with tidal. I think by this way I will use the Denon internal DAC and would work fine. Did you ever tried this? Thank you!
5:20 compare BOTH in the app?
How about comparing apple dac in app to the 7hhz DAC without app?
which phones have highest voltage output? it’s all very low; this dictated how loud. maybe older phones are higher voltage or, if anyone knows? this is key
So how to use the apple dac correctly? 10:30
What about PC?
wow, thank you for this song recomendation!
I've had the apple dongle and believe me it's not worth it because I love my movies and music so having a dongle with a d.a.c built inside makes all the difference to me
Then a question what source do you use when you test them. I hope it wasn't mp3 files. but at least flac in 16 bit and best of all 24 bit which is also available as WAV and AIFF
Pseudoscience and placebo. You can’t distinguish difference between audio format and miniscule amount of bitrate just like you cannot tell the difference between PNG and JPG pictures
Excellent helpful video. If you ever get into comparing affordable switch mode power supplies, I hear from PassionforSound that the Apple one is also pretty good. I think iFi makes one as well. That would be interesting.
is the volume controls expected to work for andoird phones with this DAC? I tested on 2 android phones and a single press of the up/down vol button sends a hold command that maxes out or mute the volume.
Mine worked just fine with volume control. Can't say why is behaving like that.
Great video, hvala! For android, do the cheap dongle dacs usually allow spotify to play and use the full power or do we also need the other app?
Thanks for all your info on these dacs. I have an android s22ultra and have been using the apple dongle. Ok sound, but no real power,not enough volume. Trying the Anker usb c to 3.5mm..omg the difference! More volume than one would need with wired iems or buds. Thanks for the heads up with the Apple product.
does this work on android phones?
so simply it works awesome with iPhone andriod with that app annndd pc
as i read the 50% reducing of the power is only with phones with pc its 100% power which is tbh great
I enjoy your review style sir
Hey Soul, Thanks for this information ,i bought 3 Hidiz day recommended by you and 7Hz dac for my friend as i asked him to buy apple dongle for his android as it was sound amazing on my iPhone but we didn't know about UAPP app back in September 22
thanks again keep up the good work.
Can this dongle last long for 3 or 4 years? It is 16-24bit/48khz my phone is 24/192 but my headphone 16/48 should i buy kinsound 32/384 or buy apple c to 3.5 i don't like its build quality
In the pc maybe, in the pocket wire will die (I think). But what you mean "headphone is 16/48" ?
@@Xenotester i mean bit rate 16bit and sample rate 48khz
@@auxgamr111what you mean headphone bitrate ? Headphones itself is analog device - or your headphones have built in dac ?
@@Xenotester i searched at google the bitrate of my headphone and it says this
Like my headphone can support this sound quality it has 53mm drivers
11:42 "those [tests] really cannot tell you the full story about how something sounds", can you make a video explaining why?