Then you don’t understand their bias. The point is there is only 1 entity that’s responsible for the creation of this universe and everything in it. The way we serve “Him” or reference that entity is the concept of religion. If we have different entities that created the earth we would have more than 1 earth. That’s what they mean by we serve the same God. It’s like looking at an Elephant from only the front you can see only the head, if you look at it from the back you can only see the tail. That doesn’t make the Elephant a donkey. I hope you understand now.
Do Christian converts vs Muslim reverts , I feel the discussion would be more rounded as both have seen both sides of the coin And give thier perspective in the practice of both religions
Educated theologians have states that Abrahamic religion are not based on factual occurrence( the exodus& Moses had nothing to do with the Egypt and there’s no collection of him in history.) These religions have proven to be untrue in its factual depiction. No one wants listen to arguement of hear-say when there is factual evidence represented.
It breaks my heart that many Christians cannot defend the faith. Many Christians do not even understand the gospel and when we come out, it now looks we don’t know what we are saying. This should be a wake up call to every believer. Study the word and rightly divide the Word of truth!!! Not just for yourself but to be able to teach others too. How can you separate Jesus from the creator? Oh please 😭😭
That's why the West is failing because we have forgotten ourove for God and He's precious son Jesus if many Christians were devoted as Judaism and Isalm followers the West wouldn't be crumbling we must humble ourselves and go back to Jesus
It should not break your heart when the essence of your faith was never fully authorised around the 3rd or 4th century. I don't think christians or jews even worship the same God.
@@arthurmorgan4942 Islam is just dangerous bootleg christianity. Christianity is just bootleg Judaisim. Judaisim is just a knock off ancient polytheistic Isrealitic religion wearing a dress pretending to be monotheistic.
@@arthurmorgan4942 😂 you act as if God shook when man "seemed it right" for faith to be authorized (by man), according to you and your source(s) in the 3rd or 4th century. 😂 God laughs at those who think by history and intellect alone they have a defense in who He is and the work he does through, for and with His people, can be reasoned through human understanding. From the beginning of time (that means prior to the 3rd and 4th century) He was, IS and forever will be, God. He is "Faith". No one can authorize Him. The nerve of humans.
That's right. Allah is not God, because we all know that the Jews were God's chosen people. There was no Muslim before Mohammed created that religion, he mixed Christian stories with pagan rituals.
@@sholay706 The Jews are just yet to leave their delusional idea that Christ isn't the promised Messiah. The Jews believe in the same God as the Christians. But the problem is they're still living the old convenant, regarding holy Abraham and Moses and they do not believe in Christ as the Messiah. So their worship isn't full, because it is he that believes in CHRIST JESUS that shall not perish, so says the Holy Bible. Whereas, Muslims story is a whole different ball game. They acknowledge Christ as only a prophet, no saviour, no redemption, no death no resurrection and Mohamed to them is a greater personality than Christ Himself. Great error
@@sholay706 The Jews worship same God as the Christians, but imperfectly. Why? Because they are yet to leave the delusional idea that Christ Jesus isn't the promised Messiah, they still cling to the old convenant, regarding holy Abraham and Moses(which were people of God). It is he who believes in CHRIST JESUS (not anyone else) that'll not perish. God perfects His convenant with man by the coming of Christ. So what is the point of you adoring the Father when you still keep malice with the Son? Moreover, Muslims don't acknowledge they'd be a Messaiah in the first place, there would be a death, a redemption, a resurrection, they prioritize their Mohammed over the Christ whom they regard as only "one of those prophets", no blessed Trinity, nothing... Our God is not a God of confusion. If you don't believe in the son and all he suffered for us, then you're in error. Just as Jehovah's witnesses aren't fully Christians as they may seem, because they do not believe in the Blessed Trinity. Error. Lemme not even go there...😌
@annabelenu1964 lol the jews dont worship Jesus. Christian worship a man Jesus who died. The God of the jews and Muslims does not die and he is everliving. Go ask a Rabbi if you worship the same God and he would say no
Study the evidence bro. The problem Jubilee makes is the same problem CRUISE is making here. These people with an exception of the Muslim cleric are not qualified to be conversing about complex matters such as this. Skilled apologists n polemicists should be included in the panel, else no one will actually learn anything.
As a Muslim, I can testify what the Muslims said in the video are not lies. All their points regarding the concept of God (Allah), prophets, heaven and hell align with the basic Islamic theology mentioned in the Quran. In contrast, many Christians themselves disagree with the Christians in the video because the core concept of Christianity which is the trinity was never mentioned concisely in the Bible. Hence, many Christians started to make up their own believe regarding the religion based on their own common sense.
@@jaesall3519 why, just because they have to cover their hair??? the rights for women are great in number. one of them is they can demand ANYTHING in any amount before marriage. They were the first women who were allowed to own property. I could go on.
@@abdelrahmanmahmoud3531the same is for Christianity. New testament Corinthians demands women to cover their head, Timothy demands for women to remain silent. The Old Testament is filled with misogyny as well, women are property of men. If a young girl is raped, the man must pay the father and marry her as his punishment. In war time, young girls are kept as plunder, spoils of war, property.
It differs in density, volume... Christians really need to come up with better explanations I honestly saw a pastor comparing the Trinity with the three headed dog from the Roman(idk if you know) I was like what the heck?!!
That is just doing false paralels how can anything earthly be like god. Everything on this earth is temporary and will eventually pass on but god is eternal
I'm here waiting for the theists VS atheists episode. These ones are just moving around in circles. My own is correct. No, it's my own that's correct. I gained nothing here.
12:50 that question of "why is Prophet Muhammad not mentioned in the Bible" just proved an assumption I have of some Muslims in Africa. They all think Christianity and Islam are like twins. Originated at the same time but along the line, Christians got crazy and started worshipping Jesus as God. But if they'd do research, they'd realize that's not the case. Islam came 600 at least years after Christianity. No one would mention Prophet Muhammad in the Bible because he didn't exist yet. However, they did warn us against prophets like him who would later rise to teach that Jesus is not God
You know there is no mention of the prophecies of Jesus in the Torah/Talmud. That is why Jews don't believe in Jesus because he was never originally mentioned/referenced in Judaism until 1000s of years later
Do you think the books of Mosses, Jacob and Isaac and Jesus is what you have today, ask yourself this question. How can a word of good have version and volume. Are you kidding me
Not to mention that one of the oldest bibles actually has the same story as the one in the quran that Jesus didn't get crucified. And even the name of the God Allah is the same in both relegions. Jesus in his original language aramaic called god Allah elah.
as a muslim, our holy book (the quran) is preserved in the same language (arabic) since its been revealed like 1400 years ago. if jesus spoke aramaic, why is it written in greek? so that doesn't make sense. also in the christian world, jesus 'died for their sins', so what the point of our existence? if christians can do whatever they want, bc jesus 'died for their sins' what is even life lol? .... a plethora of contractions! ignorance is bliss, allhamdulilah for being a muslimah.
Hi, to answer your question. That is definitely not the point of Christs sacrifice. His grace given to us through his death for our sins, it is not so we can take advantage of it. It even says in the bible that we should not take advantage of this grace. Romans 6:1-2 “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?.” Because he died for our sins and rose back to life. We can now live the good life that God planned for us through the power and help of the Holy Spirit. And even when we sin (because we are human) Christ’s sacrifice pays for those sins so we will not be condemned for those sins. We can get back up again and continue walking with God. Hope this helps :).
Your logic is flawed. I can easily throw back the question, if Allah is all merciful, Muslims can do whatever they want. Christ came to show us how to live, died so that we may have life eternal, resurrected to fulfill the Word, as He is, and come back for His children.
@@Ivanabelle y’all let y’all religion get publicly disrespected😭… lil nas x made a whole music video disrespecting christianity. there’s no accountability in christianity, just as long as you believe in christ, all is well... yeah no thanks
@@reginaphalange93 most Christian media called him out? Once a person is made aware of their wrongs, it's between them and God. Lil Nas X doesn't represent Christianity, in fact very far from it. So very weird measurement of our faith but do as you please.
Aramaic was the primary language for Jewish people in Galilee and Judea. However, Greek was the lingua franca in the Eastern Mediterranean and the language of trade, culture, and Roman administration. Records (including the bible) document interactions between Jesus and non-Jewish individuals such as Roman centurions and Syro-Phoenician (Canaanite) people. So Jesus must have spoken Greek.
The initial question should have been who is Jesus? The both Muslims tried but they didn't have a sound knowledge of (Tawheed) oneness of Allah and the criteria on how people will go to heaven according to Islam. He quoted the verse where Allah said : Don't die except in the state of Islam. And Allah said whoever dies associating partner or calling Jesus God he/she will not enter and never enter Paradise. No matter how good they do in this life. Any act of kindness a non Muslim do, the reward will be given to them in this life and whoever come with any thing that is not Islam all his/her deed will be thrown away. Both Islam and Christianity believe that salvation is only through their religion.
Both religions did not originate from Nigeria or west Africa. Why are we debating on this. Were there no religions in Nigeria before Islam and Christianity? Sad!!!! Our ancestors are rolling in the grave
Our "ancestors" couldn't save themselves from the colonizers that invaded the country. The fact that it was spread by people doesn't invalidate the truth of it. These debates are necessary because there is a God. And we need him, we need the right one, not ogun or osun that couldn't even save themselves and require blood sacrifices from their followers. Debates like these are necessary because every god calls for exclusivity in worship but we have thousands, and only one is right. Not two not three and people need to be pointed in the right direction. May God point us in the right direction.
@@Ifpurplewasagirland we can't save ourselves from ourselves, look at the state of the country with all the churches and mosques. Mind you we are still colonized (neocolonialism)
Jesus Christ will return, if you deny Him, He will deny you before His Father. Turn from your evil deeds before it's too late. He will judge every thought and action with His Father. He will judge every thought and action with His Father. If you are ashamed of Him, He will be ashamed of you before His Father. If you deny Him, He will deny you before His Father....,.
@@sammy-er7onWhich means God and it’s very generic. Anyone who speaks Arabic or Aramic can say Allah and believe in a different God. Is God’s name in the Hebrew scriptures spelled out the the Quran?
@@jamie5mauserAllah is just the Arabic word for God, and is how Arab Christians refer to God. Deus in Latin, God in English, Elaha in Biblical Aramaic (native language of Jesus), Khuda in Persia.
These guys are not sound at all. All the intellectuals in here will be so tired of this video. Like they are not educated in this matter at all. see poor logic smh
Abi, I'm a Christian and I was screaming shut up 😂😂. If I'm not certain on something, I don't have a reasonable answer I'm not speaking. The Muslims have said we don't worship the same God and you are still forcing them, next you say they are going to hell 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️. If they didn't stand on the first point, the hell issue won't have been so painful to watch
Also this was shared with me today by my good friend Yahuda and I think it’s applicable this situation. As Christian’s we must aim to embody these scriptures 2 Timothy 2:24-26 English Standard Version 24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, 25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will. Even if we disagree we still love our neighbour because we are all made in the image of God.
Saved from what? From what god is going to do to you if you don’t worship him? Because he requires a blood sacrifice to forgive up for your existence? Nice flex
Alhamdulilahi rubil alamin I thank God almighty for been a Muslim... I appreciate our brother and sister they did their best and well done to them... The only thing that they did not do is to ask for proof and evidence not from the Quran but the Bible
@@beatforjesusbykellym2104 Uh You do realise that the Gospels themselves are aunothenthic scriptures from untrusted Authors that existed decades if not Hundreds of years after Isho/Issa's time with no Scriptures or Manuscripts written in Aramaic but kione Greek. Bedsides The Quran already Telling about Jesus and the Gospels not being authentic There's literally been Discoverys in the middle east and North Africa Discovered by the sayings of the Prophet SWT to this very timeline and his own back in 640 A.D where mentions Muslims were hears in Egypt by Sinai Bediouns 8 years after The Prophet Returned to Allah unlike the claimed 4 decades after Jesus SWT passing by some random man who had a different philosophical viewing of Christ than his own Followers. Now tell Me why would I trust A book with False timelines secret Authors and Being Debunked by it's own scholars that had to look back at Muslims on Jesus's name and possibilities than The Greatest Miracle of All to Hummanity the Qur'an Repent to Truth before Damnation arrives I say I wish not for you to be in great Torment and suffering Ma'am
Religion has shown us Shege Banza Uku in this Africa… Every race has their own God except Africans Indians - Hindus Chinese - Buddhists Whites - Jews/ Christians Arabs - Islam Africa - ??????? I’m proudly Muslim, However I can never ever condemn any other religion as they are all “MEANS OF COMMUNICATING AND CONNECTING WITH A SUPERIOR BEING ( GOD)” just through different forms and religions.. No one way (religion) is better than the other in the grand scheme of things … Look at it this way … you want to travel to Lagos, there are soo many ways to get there.. you can go through Enugu, kaduna, or Kwara… because you chose to go through Kwara doesn’t mean that me that chose to go through Kaduna is wrong.. to each their own …. Remain blessed I love you soo much 😘😘
You say every race has their own religion, Indians isn't a race, Chinese isn't a race, Arabs isn't a race, and neither is africa a race. And if you use a metaphorical statement to talk about how this religion is the same thing but a different path is taken, you cannot talk about this certain race not having a realigion. The one true religion is christianity. I don't need to go back and forth with a person who is taken a different instead of the one true route. Plus, islam has like 5 books and like scrolls or something like that. That says one thing in one and says another in another book. And also, doesn't surah 9 verse 29 say that you should fight those that do not believe in isalm? Just saying...
@@otdavid_explain this to me please, How is Jesus God, and was birthed by Mary, A human that was created by God?? You’re saying Mary was created by God and later gave birth to God? Absolutely Ridiculous.
Surah 9.29 in the Qur'an Fight against those who do not believe in Allāh or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allāh and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth [i.e., Islām] from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah1 willingly while they are humbled.
Jesus Christ will return, if you deny Him, He will deny you before His Father. Turn from your evil deeds before it's too late. He will judge every thought and action with His Father. He will judge every thought and action with His Father. If you are ashamed of Him, He will be ashamed of you before His Father. If you deny Him, He will deny you before His Father....,.
it would have been good to get ex-muslims who are now christian as they would have been better equpped to understand the muslim perspective and give insight on how Chrisitianity is the truth.
Obviously you don’t serve the same god. But these religions originated from the same idea. Judaism-Christianity-Islam. But today they are separate religions as they have different rules if you just read their holy books. This people are coming up with new point to push their ideologies.
The God of the Bible and the God of the Quran are referring to the same Person. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the same God that the Jews, Christians, and Muslims claim to worship. However, just because you claim to worship The same God doesn't mean that's how that God wishes to be worshipped. After the Israelites crossed the Red Sea, they made a golden calf, and just after they made it, Aaron said that it was a festival to Yahweh. (YHWH) (The Aramaic Personal name for God) In their minds they were worshipping their God. However, they were just not worshipping him the way that he wants to be worshipped. And that sums up the major reason for division in religion. People tend to worship God how they want to worship him instead of how he wants to be worshipped.
The aramaic name of God is elah/Allaha. Jesus according to the Bible used to pray the exact way prophet Muhammed prayed. The oldest Bible isn't even written in its original language. Som of the oldest bibles claim jesus wasn't crucified. Bible was written without the existence of Jesus at that time unlike the quran wich was "publicly" for everyone to write and hear and see and also by "the prophet" who sent it. I can't say I have that much knowledge but knowing the most schoolars agree that the bible was changed and you can find 3000 verses that was added or removed wich explains the numbers of the verses. It just makes me not lean towards Christianity.
@@omgman928 Elah is the Aramaic word for God just as Allah is the Arabic word for God. not his personal name . God is just a title, not a name. "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." Exodus 6:3 KJV .... Jehovah in English Yahweh in Hebrew Yahuh and/or Yahwah (يَهْوَه) in Arabic. I can definitely understand your apprehension with regards to choosing belief system based on the claims of corruption of the scriptures, especially with so many different translations of the Bible. What I will encourage you to do is read both the Quran and the Bible. I personally find the Bible more specific and explicit in identifying and answering more important questions of existence. What you will have to do is to search and research on your own all while honestly and wholeheartedly asking the Father for guidance with constant prayer and supplication.
@@omgman928I hope you realize what you have today isn’t the original Quran and Uthman burnt the first Quran after the death of Muhammad. Most Muslims are bn brainwashed into believing same thing about Christianity by reading the footnotes and thus making them not able to think outside the box. Read the Bible and Quran (without footnotes) for yourself and ask questions then you will see the truth
All of this aside, give your life to Christ, He loves you and wants you. And if you think Jesus is a myth, I pray in the name of Jesus that you have personal encounter with the Living God. 1❤
@@geoffreywright9856 he’s don’t seem open to discussion, or to others believes than the ones he has. In a debate, you dont have to change your mind, but you can understand people, listen, evolve. There is no tolerance here. And theres multiples time when he almost disrespected the muslim side of the panel. I think he could have communicated with « forms ». Hes not the only one tho. For me, to be able to talk about this subject, you have to come with some knowledge about all religions concerned, that is a must. Thats my opinion.
This video is proof that a lot of “Christians” do not know the God they claim to serve. Our God is 3 in one. If you do not believe this then we do not serve the same God period.
Eish, my only suggestion is that you would've got a mixed Christian speakers. They all seem protestant - pentecostal or non denominational, but it would've been good to seen a catholic speaking on natural theology to the first question. Orthodox talk on the second prompt. Even could have had some Mormons or Adventist there
Pre-watch opinion: No, both are outsiders attempt to gentrify another's religion into their own. Changing it to fit their own image. The way to determine it is there should be a one-to-one match with the laws they follow. If there is a difference, then it's a different god.
If we worshipped the same God we would be the same religion but different sects but since we are different religions we worship different Gods, have you ever seen multiple religions worshiping the same God?
@@KingofgraceSARA😂😂😂😂 Right I've seen heated debates with Christians bringing Muslims to check the Muslims on their faith.. This one wasn't that heated.
24:15 That's because pleasing God to reach paradise is a big deal we have to connect with Him 5 times a day unlike the Christians who worship only in the morning or as at when convenient
Pastor Jesus is proud of you. Pastor had me laughing hard when he said it's like he will cry saying this truth funny as it sounds if is the truth . Lord have mercy and save the lost souls❤
I think this is pointless. You need to know the quaran before you can prove to them. Jesus was mentioned more than Mohammed in their quaran.even the quaran somewhere said if you don't understand reading the quaran you should go to the acripture readers. Here in Ghana , muslims uses Bible and quaran to preach. We all believe in the same God
Luke 18:18-19 18 A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 19 But Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.
Point one: prophets Mohammed is not the same as jesus, they should read their quran well, it is indicated that jesus Christ was bruised, for us died and Resurrected on the third day, prophets Mohammed did not rise on the third day. Secondly, we are not slaves to God, we are friends of God, children of the father, heirs of the kingdom
the original “god” of Mecca was el baal, as in the baal of the Old Testament. Through research and deduction you can trace baal back to Satan. Satan can disguise himself as an angel, Muhammad was visited by an “angel” The Christian Bible written 600 years before Islam was first founded said Satan is the greatest deceiver, Muslims say Allah is the greatest deceiver. Seems they’re right, and fell for it themselves.
@@Mmesomachiihonestly, the trend that is dominating, is that of displaying the flaws of other religions and choosing to turn a blind eye to the flaws of their own religion 🤷🏾♀️ Nothing short of bias.
@@Mmesomachiijews are only allowed to marry one woman, and they cite the issues Solomon had when he had multiple wives as reason not to marry more than one
The guy in the dove neck shirt and red trousers, that claims to be a Christian, is not serious. The guy said we worship the same God yet believes that the Muslims are going to hell. Uncle, how? He didn't know what he was saying cause he barely made sense.
This is unnecessary to debate on Religion i believe everyone should just believe in what they want to believe in. This is beyond you all. Before you know it Muslim will start fighting unprovoked. Am a Christian and i don't believe when people think others will go to hell because they do not believe in your arguments.
As a muslim I respect esther for the way she formats her speach its like she actually studied and is educated unlike pastor rock which just spits out stuff without knowledge.
There are a lot of things about religion that only God can settle. The best thing is to love everyone and remember we are humans first before anything.
the guy in the red pants is spouting nonsense, I wish I was there, how disgusting the claims he makes, full of misinformation and garbage coming out of his mouth.
Receipts?? They missed hard when they were asking why Muhammad isn't in the Bible. Why is Apostle Paul and Jesus, John the Baptist not in the Torah?? Abi they don't understand the timelines of these religions? It's not like Jesus and Muhammad existed with the same century.
"Those who worship other gods with faith and devotion also worship me, even if they do not observe the usual forms. I am the object of all worship, its enjoyer and Lord" Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Ram Hare Ram Ram Ram Hare Hare 🕉🕉🕉🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
@@retouchbystrength8080 ‘Abrahamic’ is to have descended from Abraham. God promised Abraham that he would be the father of many nations and that he would establish him. The child of promise was Isaac (root of Christianity) but Abraham also had a son with Hagar, called Ishmael (the root of Islam) and God blessed him. Thus, both spring from Abraham. I hope this helps ☺️
Islam as nothing to the with Abraham go and do some research..there is no proof that Mohammed came frpm the decendant of ismeal both is parent are pagans..
As a muslim I can see how both sides doesn't have enough knowledge at all. Like this debate is basically "trust me bro I feel that my relegion is the right one" But that's not how it works and also debating people that has no knowledge of the other relegion is pointless.
This is interesting, the Bible states, the soul that sinneth it shall die, the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him, but if the wicked shall turn, he shall be forgiven. Simply means no one will be punished for the other's sin.
How do you even know what Islam is about? Am a Christian but since I was a child I have always known we do not worship the same God. Thank you lady in green. Am not a slave to God am the kings kid. I have been saved by Grace and am assured of heaven. Do Muslim knows were they are going when they die. That’s why they perform prayers after death that is too late.God is the only way to heaven you have to believe in him to be saved. It’s Imam is not by being nice you go to heaven aunty hijab the fact that we are all Christians does not mean heaven is guaranteed. Even the Bible says not all that call me Lord lord will enter my kingdom. That example with utman danfodio did not make sense. Peace??? Y’all are peaceful during fasting cos of hypocrisy. Pastor thank you for defending that peace question sir.So a whole Allah speaks only one language ? Wait force the child at age 10? Ahhh You can’t force adults children God gives us free will. You can only pray for your kids and teach them. Train them up in the way of the Lord and in my opinion if you do it right they will not depart from it.
Thank you for trying to defined our faith in Our Lord and Saviour, we are all still learning everyday ✝️ We don’t believe in the same God, if you don’t believe that Jesus Christ is God then we don’t server the same God. Both Christian and Muslims believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, I don’t understand why that was even debated tbh.
In the bible it says that “lets us make man in our image” Us referring to the son Jesus Christ and the holy spirt. There are numerous verses that affirm Jesus' deity 1: John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." 2. Colossians 2:9 - "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." 3. Titus 2:13 - "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." These verses, among others, clearly state that Jesus is God.
If my brothers Muslims are saying that they are serving unseen God which means their God is spirit , while they don't believe in holy spirit then which spirit God they are serving,? But God bless you all bcuz only in Africa you can sat down two great religion together in peace,.
gods love angel is on the right track you can see he isn’t brainwashed like the other christian’s on the show In sha Allah he finds the truth soon, he has the right intentions in his heart
7:06- the difference is our God stayed as the supreme entity, yours evolves into having a son and being a spirit…and the Quran does not have the biblical quote “created in Gods image”
We do worship the same God, really sad to see an Islamic teacher saying that we don't. In Surah Al - Ankabut verse 46 it reads: And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him." Now, most Christians do not know their history, they do not know that the trinity was introduced by the Greeks with their polytheism culture and mentality when the Bible got translated from Aramaic to Greek and in the concept of trinity was introduced in the First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE after years of debate. Well, us muslims believe in the Al-Injeel which is the original Gospel that was revealed to Prophet Jesus peace be upon him from God, not to the Bible. The Bible means collection of books and no God revealed the new testament as they were written by the apostles who by the way are unknown writers, you can check any Bible footnote it will say that the author of Mark, Luke etc etc are unknown. Plus there are many quotation in the Bible that contradicts the whole doctrine of trinity and that Jesus is God, Jesus did not know the hour right? Only God knows the hour, 1 John 4:12 God cannot be seen, yet Jesus was seen, God cannot die yet Jesus died, God was called God, Jesus a man God was worshipped, Jesus worshipped the Father and not only that he explicitly says to DO NOT worship him but the father in Mathew 7:21:23 "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." I mean it does not get clearer than that, Jesus never called himself God and always worshipped GOD, he submitted his will to GOD's will hence why he was muslim, muslim means servant/ slave , so servant of God because we submit our will to His will! I hope this can spike curiosity in our fellow Jews and Christians brothers and sisters and start asking themselves questions and seek the truth
Since you have 25 prophet in your Quran. The Question now is What were those prophet talking about? Since prophet prophesy that is they talk about things to come, what was thier prophecy about? Since most of the prophet include those we have in the Old testament too. What were their claims?
The word Muslim in Arabic means the one who submitted to the will of Allah like Jesus in John 5:30 who said, I am not seeking my own will but the will of the father who sent me
This is not going anywhere cause all of them draw their knowledge from books which are totally different. Hence they speak with so much confidence claiming their book is what is true. Secondly if we can’t use our human knowledge to understand or know God how are we even able to verify the truth of the holy books? A simple debunking of the holy books crumbles their whole claim.
My sister sound ignorant the Old Testament is in the Quran, in Torah , and the Bible . Jewish, Muslim and Christian. We should live in love and respect each other . Selah 🙏
I think this video shows we need to do our own research about who God is, No where in the bible does it say we need religion, the bible teaches us to have a deep and meaningful relationship with Jesus Christ 🫶🏾 Yes there are many different translations of the bible but most have the same message, that Jesus Christ is God and he died on the cross and arose on the 3rd day. I believe that there are around 10 -12 translations of the Quran also so you can’t just point out that we do only
Both offshoots of Judaism so at the very least there is a lot of connective tissue, practices and shared beliefs But similar to how traditional Jews do not see Jesus as the promised messiah And Christians see Jesus as the promised messiah , and God incarnate (Co-equal with the father person of the trinity) And Muslims view Jesus as the promised messiah and a great prophet, but not God incarnate In fact the fact that the crusafiction is a point of contention between the Christians and Muslims informs a lot on how/why they have the views on him Notice I used Jesus as a benchmark to highlight differences. There are obviously more nuanced differences you can get into, but this felt like a solid start point Please let’s not get tribal. Let’s reflect the glory and mercy of God
I’m disappointed with the Christian’s who agreed that we worship the same God with Muslims He who comes into God must believe that he sent his Son and this son God
Please read Mathew 12:24-40 you'll understand we don't serve the same God. This people are telling you they serve the same God and you're insisting we're serving the same God.
The bible does not acknowledge or mention prophet Muhammad. Meanwhile, Jesus is pictured as sinless and perfect in the Quran, even Mary, mother of Jesus is above the mother of their prophet, and that gives the muslims a lot of headaches.
Ok Religion I wish you guys found a way to fix in Avraham Ben Mohse from Ghana 🇬🇭 he is enlightened 💡💐and will really add up to the show . Everyone did well 🙏🏽. We need more light on such topics
Muslims and Christians both serve the same God. That's why they have similar figures like Abraham/Ibrahim. The main point of contention is the nature of that God. Whether he is a trinity or a singular figure
To all Muslims... The Quran said there are 124,000 prophet sent out to the world but we inow of none but Muhammad. Please don't used Non of the JEWS prophet like Moses, Elijah, David, Samuel, Malachi, Isaiah, etc....Jews prayed to YAWEH.....not ALLAH
Just be good, if you know what that is and be kind more than 90% of the time, our parents imprint our believes on us. Are we doomed on basis of which family we are birthed or we grow up in? Religion or belief is some pointless argument on this ground.
To all the Christians reading the comments, I urge you to read up on the Council of Nicaea if you are genuinely curious about the origin of the Trinitarian Doctrine. This doctrine that you follow- the Father, Son, and holy spirit are one, was created centuries after the time of Isho (Jesus) by the Romans after a long debate to establish a standardized belief. During the time of Jesus, no one called themselves “Christians”-not even the Disciples. Jesus was a Jew and he spoke Aramaic. In fact , he was never called “Jesus” during his time, nor did his followers call him that. He was called “ Isho” which was his true name in Aramaic! The Aramaic word for God is “ Elah” which is similar in pronunciation to the Arabic word “Allah” considering that both are Semitic languages. Jesus was not the blue-eyed, blond-haired white man you see portrayed in your Churches and in Western movies, rather he was a Middle-eastern man. The point I am trying to make here is that, in order to really know who Jesus Christ was, you must learn history for what it is and not blindly follow what the church fathers are telling you. The bible you have today, The New Testament, is a conglomerate of different testimonies of men, most of whom existed years after the time of Isho. Ask yourself , who was Mathew, Luke, or John? These are anonymous authors of whom today, we don’t even really know when they existed or who they were. This is precisely why the bible is full of not just theological contradictions, but numerical ones as well. You simply cannot take the bible today as a main argument or the main source to hold the foundation of your belief. For example, look up 2nd Samuel:9 vs 1 Chronicles 21:5. If you are not convinced enough, please also look up John 20: 17-18 and Mark 10:18 regarding Jesus acknowledgment of the Father being his God and your God after the Cruxifixction and his declaration of the Superiority of God respectfully. And incase you are wondering why the Muslims pray the way they do, look up Mathew 26: 36-46, when Jesus fell on his face and prayed to God! How can a God pray to himself?! There are a plethora of issues to cover but I will stop here. Please read your bible for what it is, as it is not a holy book, but rather a conglomerate of opinions of men. And please take it upon yourself to investigate the origin of the Trinitarian doctrine in order to better understand your faith. Peace and blessings be upon you all.
@@peaceandblessings297 let's have this debate off UA-cam, maybe WhatsApp. If you truly speak of being educated, I'd gladly educate you. Just drop your WhatsApp number
Why is the muslim lady avoiding the question of if the Quran was written or not. The quran was written same as the Bible which one is Bible was written and Quran was by revelation. Did it fall from the skies? No, it was penned down by a human being because you believe something is inspired doesn't mean it wasn't written. How else did you know about it if it wasn't recorded and kept through history. We need a part 2 of this episode bu with persons grounded in both religions. I'm Christian and I believe my God is the true God and we don't serve the same God. Period!
These Christians aren't well grounded, I lost it when they said we serve the same God
We don’t and many people don’t know that. Muslims are serving the enemy S A T A N with he’s 99 names one being the deceiver.
Gbam 💯💯💯
I was like 5mins in only one Christian left
Then you don’t understand their bias. The point is there is only 1 entity that’s responsible for the creation of this universe and everything in it.
The way we serve “Him” or reference that entity is the concept of religion.
If we have different entities that created the earth we would have more than 1 earth.
That’s what they mean by we serve the same God.
It’s like looking at an Elephant from only the front you can see only the head, if you look at it from the back you can only see the tail. That doesn’t make the Elephant a donkey. I hope you understand now.
@@dammieoflagos280 They do not serve the same God bro. The Allah in the Quran contradicts God in the Bible.
Do Christian converts vs Muslim reverts , I feel the discussion would be more rounded as both have seen both sides of the coin And give thier perspective in the practice of both religions
don't disrespect the father and say allah is the father Allah is the evil villain not the father
That's very correct or have people that are grounded in the others's literatures and let them speak from positions of knowledge and not feelings.
Yes i was christian and I converted to Islam.
@@vylc1611 Yes i was Muslim and I converted to christian.
@@vylc1611 what does it mean to be Christian?
What inspired you to leave the Christian faith?
Please bring more educated theologians when you want to touch on a matter as sensitive as religion
Yes, please. I respect the topic but we need educated theologians.
Seconded!
It a sensitive topic because when you disrespect their religon by just believing in another religion well...things get violent.
Well,it is good to know what the average person thinks.
Educated theologians have states that Abrahamic religion are not based on factual occurrence( the exodus& Moses had nothing to do with the Egypt and there’s no collection of him in history.) These religions have proven to be untrue in its factual depiction. No one wants listen to arguement of hear-say when there is factual evidence represented.
This Esther lady impressed. Am speaking as a Christian who studies both Christianity and Islam...
It breaks my heart that many Christians cannot defend the faith. Many Christians do not even understand the gospel and when we come out, it now looks we don’t know what we are saying.
This should be a wake up call to every believer. Study the word and rightly divide the Word of truth!!! Not just for yourself but to be able to teach others too.
How can you separate Jesus from the creator? Oh please 😭😭
That's why the West is failing because we have forgotten ourove for God and He's precious son Jesus if many Christians were devoted as Judaism and Isalm followers the West wouldn't be crumbling we must humble ourselves and go back to Jesus
It should not break your heart when the essence of your faith was never fully authorised around the 3rd or 4th century. I don't think christians or jews even worship the same God.
@@garawa1987 Do know what the infant mortality rate when things were more "christian'?
@@arthurmorgan4942 Islam is just dangerous bootleg christianity. Christianity is just bootleg Judaisim. Judaisim is just a knock off ancient polytheistic Isrealitic religion wearing a dress pretending to be monotheistic.
@@arthurmorgan4942 😂 you act as if God shook when man "seemed it right" for faith to be authorized (by man), according to you and your source(s) in the 3rd or 4th century. 😂 God laughs at those who think by history and intellect alone they have a defense in who He is and the work he does through, for and with His people, can be reasoned through human understanding. From the beginning of time (that means prior to the 3rd and 4th century) He was, IS and forever will be, God. He is "Faith". No one can authorize Him. The nerve of humans.
We do not worship same God!
Thank you, Esther🎉
That's right. Allah is not God, because we all know that the Jews were God's chosen people. There was no Muslim before Mohammed created that religion, he mixed Christian stories with pagan rituals.
@ariamason9324 but the christains worship Jesus and jews do not worship Jesus so you can be worshipping the same God as jews
@@sholay706 The Jews are just yet to leave their delusional idea that Christ isn't the promised Messiah.
The Jews believe in the same God as the Christians. But the problem is they're still living the old convenant, regarding holy Abraham and Moses and they do not believe in Christ as the Messiah. So their worship isn't full, because it is he that believes in CHRIST JESUS that shall not perish, so says the Holy Bible.
Whereas, Muslims story is a whole different ball game. They acknowledge Christ as only a prophet, no saviour, no redemption, no death no resurrection and Mohamed to them is a greater personality than Christ Himself. Great error
@@sholay706 The Jews worship same God as the Christians, but imperfectly. Why? Because they are yet to leave the delusional idea that Christ Jesus isn't the promised Messiah, they still cling to the old convenant, regarding holy Abraham and Moses(which were people of God).
It is he who believes in CHRIST JESUS (not anyone else) that'll not perish. God perfects His convenant with man by the coming of Christ. So what is the point of you adoring the Father when you still keep malice with the Son?
Moreover, Muslims don't acknowledge they'd be a Messaiah in the first place, there would be a death, a redemption, a resurrection, they prioritize their Mohammed over the Christ whom they regard as only "one of those prophets", no blessed Trinity, nothing... Our God is not a God of confusion.
If you don't believe in the son and all he suffered for us, then you're in error.
Just as Jehovah's witnesses aren't fully Christians as they may seem, because they do not believe in the Blessed Trinity. Error. Lemme not even go there...😌
@annabelenu1964 lol the jews dont worship Jesus. Christian worship a man Jesus who died. The God of the jews and Muslims does not die and he is everliving. Go ask a Rabbi if you worship the same God and he would say no
VIDEO SUMMARY:
A: My book is the correct one.
B: Prove it.
A: My book told me so.
B: Lies. My book told me mine is correct.
Circlar reasoning💀
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Exactly
Dumbest shît ever
Study the evidence bro. The problem Jubilee makes is the same problem CRUISE is making here. These people with an exception of the Muslim cleric are not qualified to be conversing about complex matters such as this.
Skilled apologists n polemicists should be included in the panel, else no one will actually learn anything.
@@eselevi6132Which evidence Abeg? 😂😂😂
This is my problem with religion. Everyone thinks their own is the best.
Like bro wtf is wrong with us
This!!!!!!....
Don’t bash anyone. It’s either both of them are wrong, or one of them is correct and the other is wrong.
A religious person could say the problem to atheists they also think they are right
Christianity Is the one true religion, end of story.
Both parties aren’t well equipped or informed on what they’re defending. They are plenty of lies told in this video, and no one to point it out.
The most important comment
As a Muslim, I can testify what the Muslims said in the video are not lies. All their points regarding the concept of God (Allah), prophets, heaven and hell align with the basic Islamic theology mentioned in the Quran. In contrast, many Christians themselves disagree with the Christians in the video because the core concept of Christianity which is the trinity was never mentioned concisely in the Bible. Hence, many Christians started to make up their own believe regarding the religion based on their own common sense.
Someone once said " a woman defending Islam it's like a chicken 🐔 defending KFC🍗."
@@jaesall3519 why, just because they have to cover their hair??? the rights for women are great in number. one of them is they can demand ANYTHING in any amount before marriage. They were the first women who were allowed to own property. I could go on.
@@abdelrahmanmahmoud3531the same is for Christianity. New testament Corinthians demands women to cover their head, Timothy demands for women to remain silent. The Old Testament is filled with misogyny as well, women are property of men. If a young girl is raped, the man must pay the father and marry her as his punishment. In war time, young girls are kept as plunder, spoils of war, property.
That water analogy was actually Genius😂😂
It's actually not. That analogy is an example of modalism. Modalism is a Christian heresy.
It differs in density, volume...
Christians really need to come up with better explanations
I honestly saw a pastor comparing the Trinity with the three headed dog from the Roman(idk if you know)
I was like what the heck?!!
It’s heresy.
That is just doing false paralels how can anything earthly be like god. Everything on this earth is temporary and will eventually pass on but god is eternal
@@egoquid8848 They're not trying claim that's how God is exactly.
I'm here waiting for the theists VS atheists episode. These ones are just moving around in circles. My own is correct. No, it's my own that's correct. I gained nothing here.
it can't really go beyond that, though. what more did you expect?
@@bluebellbeatnik4945 ergo, pointless. It’s a pointless argument that has no end.
their faith revolves around their own religious texts. what did you expect?
It can if they actually knew their history
@@kendrickcrain983 good point
12:50 that question of "why is Prophet Muhammad not mentioned in the Bible" just proved an assumption I have of some Muslims in Africa. They all think Christianity and Islam are like twins. Originated at the same time but along the line, Christians got crazy and started worshipping Jesus as God. But if they'd do research, they'd realize that's not the case. Islam came 600 at least years after Christianity. No one would mention Prophet Muhammad in the Bible because he didn't exist yet. However, they did warn us against prophets like him who would later rise to teach that Jesus is not God
Exactly. I'm surprised the cleric didn't know this. The Bible was written long before Mohammed came about.
You know there is no mention of the prophecies of Jesus in the Torah/Talmud. That is why Jews don't believe in Jesus because he was never originally mentioned/referenced in Judaism until 1000s of years later
Facts!
Do you think the books of Mosses, Jacob and Isaac and Jesus is what you have today, ask yourself this question. How can a word of good have version and volume. Are you kidding me
Not to mention that one of the oldest bibles actually has the same story as the one in the quran that Jesus didn't get crucified.
And even the name of the God Allah is the same in both relegions.
Jesus in his original language aramaic called god Allah elah.
as a muslim, our holy book (the quran) is preserved in the same language (arabic) since its been revealed like 1400 years ago. if jesus spoke aramaic, why is it written in greek? so that doesn't make sense. also in the christian world, jesus 'died for their sins', so what the point of our existence? if christians can do whatever they want, bc jesus 'died for their sins' what is even life lol? .... a plethora of contractions! ignorance is bliss, allhamdulilah for being a muslimah.
Hi, to answer your question. That is definitely not the point of Christs sacrifice. His grace given to us through his death for our sins, it is not so we can take advantage of it. It even says in the bible that we should not take advantage of this grace. Romans 6:1-2 “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?.”
Because he died for our sins and rose back to life. We can now live the good life that God planned for us through the power and help of the Holy Spirit. And even when we sin (because we are human) Christ’s sacrifice pays for those sins so we will not be condemned for those sins. We can get back up again and continue walking with God. Hope this helps :).
Your logic is flawed. I can easily throw back the question, if Allah is all merciful, Muslims can do whatever they want. Christ came to show us how to live, died so that we may have life eternal, resurrected to fulfill the Word, as He is, and come back for His children.
@@Ivanabelle y’all let y’all religion get publicly disrespected😭… lil nas x made a whole music video disrespecting christianity. there’s no accountability in christianity, just as long as you believe in christ, all is well... yeah no thanks
@@reginaphalange93 most Christian media called him out? Once a person is made aware of their wrongs, it's between them and God. Lil Nas X doesn't represent Christianity, in fact very far from it. So very weird measurement of our faith but do as you please.
Aramaic was the primary language for Jewish people in Galilee and Judea. However, Greek was the lingua franca in the Eastern Mediterranean and the language of trade, culture, and Roman administration. Records (including the bible) document interactions between Jesus and non-Jewish individuals such as Roman centurions and Syro-Phoenician (Canaanite) people. So Jesus must have spoken Greek.
The initial question should have been who is Jesus?
The both Muslims tried but they didn't have a sound knowledge of (Tawheed) oneness of Allah and the criteria on how people will go to heaven according to Islam.
He quoted the verse where Allah said : Don't die except in the state of Islam. And Allah said whoever dies associating partner or calling Jesus God he/she will not enter and never enter Paradise. No matter how good they do in this life. Any act of kindness a non Muslim do, the reward will be given to them in this life and whoever come with any thing that is not Islam all his/her deed will be thrown away.
Both Islam and Christianity believe that salvation is only through their religion.
Both religions did not originate from Nigeria or west Africa. Why are we debating on this.
Were there no religions in Nigeria before Islam and Christianity?
Sad!!!! Our ancestors are rolling in the grave
😂crazy lol everyone is just going through hell like a broad lol😂😂😂😅
Because this has caused war and have many people lose their lives in this country.
Thank you! I refused to believe out of all tribes in Nigeria only Christianity and Islam are the only ones
Our "ancestors" couldn't save themselves from the colonizers that invaded the country.
The fact that it was spread by people doesn't invalidate the truth of it.
These debates are necessary because there is a God.
And we need him, we need the right one, not ogun or osun that couldn't even save themselves and require blood sacrifices from their followers.
Debates like these are necessary because every god calls for exclusivity in worship but we have thousands, and only one is right. Not two not three and people need to be pointed in the right direction.
May God point us in the right direction.
@@Ifpurplewasagirland we can't save ourselves from ourselves, look at the state of the country with all the churches and mosques. Mind you we are still colonized (neocolonialism)
the way the Christians ignored the Nicean Creed is worrying, that is the most concrete argument for the Holy Trinity.
Jesus Christ will return, if you deny Him, He will deny you before His Father. Turn from your evil deeds before it's too late. He will judge every thought and action with His Father. He will judge every thought and action with His Father. If you are ashamed of Him, He will be ashamed of you before His Father. If you deny Him, He will deny you before His Father....,.
If they belief they worship Allah then we do worship same God but if they say they worship Jesus a messenger of Allah then we don’t worship same God
Allah is not the father tho….so not the real God
@@Ytulipss Allah is the creator. Jesus spoke Aramaic, do you know how to say God in Aramaic? ALLAHA.
@@sammy-er7onWhich means God and it’s very generic. Anyone who speaks Arabic or Aramic can say Allah and believe in a different God. Is God’s name in the Hebrew scriptures spelled out the the Quran?
@@sammy-er7onJesus was Jewish, the Bible speaks of god as “YHWH”
@@jamie5mauserAllah is just the Arabic word for God, and is how Arab Christians refer to God. Deus in Latin, God in English, Elaha in Biblical Aramaic (native language of Jesus), Khuda in Persia.
These guys are not sound at all. All the intellectuals in here will be so tired of this video. Like they are not educated in this matter at all. see poor logic smh
Abi, I'm a Christian and I was screaming shut up 😂😂. If I'm not certain on something, I don't have a reasonable answer I'm not speaking. The Muslims have said we don't worship the same God and you are still forcing them, next you say they are going to hell 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️. If they didn't stand on the first point, the hell issue won't have been so painful to watch
Also this was shared with me today by my good friend Yahuda and I think it’s applicable this situation.
As Christian’s we must aim to embody these scriptures
2 Timothy 2:24-26
English Standard Version
24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,
25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,
26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.
Even if we disagree we still love our neighbour because we are all made in the image of God.
“For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
John 3:17 KJV
Saved from what? From what god is going to do to you if you don’t worship him? Because he requires a blood sacrifice to forgive up for your existence?
Nice flex
Son of GOD???No there is no son or daughter of GOD. He is the Son of a human Lady .Mary..... That's the truth.❤
Alhamdulilahi rubil alamin I thank God almighty for been a Muslim... I appreciate our brother and sister they did their best and well done to them... The only thing that they did not do is to ask for proof and evidence not from the Quran but the Bible
Mashallah I’m actually so happy seeing another Muslim in the comments among all those Christians saying that their religion is perfect 😊
Allhamdulillah brother Maybe it's cause Us Muslims don't got time to waste commenting like unemployed warrior's
@@melkhanya 😂
But when we start asking the Quran for historical proof it’s just claims at this point. Where is the historical proof of the Quran related to Jesus ?
@@beatforjesusbykellym2104 Uh You do realise that the Gospels themselves are aunothenthic scriptures from untrusted Authors that existed decades if not Hundreds of years after Isho/Issa's time with no Scriptures or Manuscripts written in Aramaic but kione Greek. Bedsides The Quran already Telling about Jesus and the Gospels not being authentic There's literally been Discoverys in the middle east and North Africa Discovered by the sayings of the Prophet SWT to this very timeline and his own back in 640 A.D where mentions Muslims were hears in Egypt by Sinai Bediouns 8 years after The Prophet Returned to Allah unlike the claimed 4 decades after Jesus SWT passing by some random man who had a different philosophical viewing of Christ than his own Followers.
Now tell Me why would I trust A book with False timelines secret Authors and Being Debunked by it's own scholars that had to look back at Muslims on Jesus's name and possibilities than
The Greatest Miracle of All to Hummanity the Qur'an
Repent to Truth before Damnation arrives I say I wish not for you to be in great Torment and suffering Ma'am
Religion has shown us Shege Banza Uku in this Africa…
Every race has their own God except Africans
Indians - Hindus
Chinese - Buddhists
Whites - Jews/ Christians
Arabs - Islam
Africa - ???????
I’m proudly Muslim, However I can never ever condemn any other religion as they are all
“MEANS OF COMMUNICATING AND CONNECTING WITH A SUPERIOR BEING ( GOD)” just through different forms and religions..
No one way (religion) is better than the other in the grand scheme of things …
Look at it this way … you want to travel to Lagos, there are soo many ways to get there.. you can go through Enugu, kaduna, or Kwara… because you chose to go through Kwara doesn’t mean that me that chose to go through Kaduna is wrong.. to each their own …. Remain blessed I love you soo much 😘😘
You say every race has their own religion, Indians isn't a race, Chinese isn't a race, Arabs isn't a race, and neither is africa a race. And if you use a metaphorical statement to talk about how this religion is the same thing but a different path is taken, you cannot talk about this certain race not having a realigion. The one true religion is christianity. I don't need to go back and forth with a person who is taken a different instead of the one true route. Plus, islam has like 5 books and like scrolls or something like that. That says one thing in one and says another in another book. And also, doesn't surah 9 verse 29 say that you should fight those that do not believe in isalm? Just saying...
Exactly this!
@@otdavid_I hope you’re the most righteous person o with the way you’re talking abt Christianity
@@otdavid_explain this to me please, How is Jesus God, and was birthed by Mary, A human that was created by God?? You’re saying Mary was created by God and later gave birth to God? Absolutely Ridiculous.
@@otdavid_ I literally don’t get your point…but OK 👍🏾
I agree it’s only God that will judge anyone on where to go
Surah 9.29 in the Qur'an
Fight against those who do not believe in Allāh or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allāh and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth [i.e., Islām] from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah1 willingly while they are humbled.
Jesus Christ will return, if you deny Him, He will deny you before His Father. Turn from your evil deeds before it's too late. He will judge every thought and action with His Father. He will judge every thought and action with His Father. If you are ashamed of Him, He will be ashamed of you before His Father. If you deny Him, He will deny you before His Father....,.
1 samuel 15:3 much more grim
it would have been good to get ex-muslims who are now christian as they would have been better equpped to understand the muslim perspective and give insight on how Chrisitianity is the truth.
play, ex Christians nko
So ex Christians who are now Muslims to debate the ex muslims
and ex christians who became muslim would be good
i’m sure there will be LOTS of them
you think you did something there LMAOO
My brother. I am a Christian please we are not servicing the same God. May God bless this my sister for the analysis she gave the Muslims🙏 ❤
Obviously you don’t serve the same god.
But these religions originated from the same idea.
Judaism-Christianity-Islam.
But today they are separate religions as they have different rules if you just read their holy books.
This people are coming up with new point to push their ideologies.
The God of the Bible and the God of the Quran are referring to the same Person. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the same God that the Jews, Christians, and Muslims claim to worship. However, just because you claim to worship The same God doesn't mean that's how that God wishes to be worshipped. After the Israelites crossed the Red Sea, they made a golden calf, and just after they made it, Aaron said that it was a festival to Yahweh. (YHWH) (The Aramaic Personal name for God) In their minds they were worshipping their God. However, they were just not worshipping him the way that he wants to be worshipped. And that sums up the major reason for division in religion. People tend to worship God how they want to worship him instead of how he wants to be worshipped.
The aramaic name of God is elah/Allaha.
Jesus according to the Bible used to pray the exact way prophet Muhammed prayed.
The oldest Bible isn't even written in its original language.
Som of the oldest bibles claim jesus wasn't crucified.
Bible was written without the existence of Jesus at that time unlike the quran wich was "publicly" for everyone to write and hear and see and also by "the prophet" who sent it.
I can't say I have that much knowledge but knowing the most schoolars agree that the bible was changed and you can find 3000 verses that was added or removed wich explains the numbers of the verses.
It just makes me not lean towards Christianity.
@@omgman928 Elah is the Aramaic word for God just as Allah is the Arabic word for God. not his personal name . God is just a title, not a name.
"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." Exodus 6:3 KJV ....
Jehovah in English Yahweh in Hebrew Yahuh and/or Yahwah (يَهْوَه) in Arabic.
I can definitely understand your apprehension with regards to choosing belief system based on the claims of corruption of the scriptures, especially with so many different translations of the Bible.
What I will encourage you to do is read both the Quran and the Bible. I personally find the Bible more specific and explicit in identifying and answering more important questions of existence. What you will have to do is to search and research on your own all while honestly and wholeheartedly asking the Father for guidance with constant prayer and supplication.
@@omgman928I hope you realize what you have today isn’t the original Quran and Uthman burnt the first Quran after the death of Muhammad. Most Muslims are bn brainwashed into believing same thing about Christianity by reading the footnotes and thus making them not able to think outside the box. Read the Bible and Quran (without footnotes) for yourself and ask questions then you will see the truth
Ameen bro, these people in the comments act like there's more than one God by saying it's not the same.
@@sgnixxelb because the Muslim God gave different rules to follow compared to Christian God so it cannot be the same God.
It is offensive to call my Lord and Savior a prophet. 🙏🏾
It says it in the Bible that Jesus was a prophet. So I guess your own Bible is offensive to you. 😂🤣
@@Justbored_12Kindly quote the scripture(s).🤡
And I will quote you places where it says He is God and Saviour of the universe.
@@Justbored_12where in your bible did they say Jesus was a prophet 👀?
@@Justbored_12the Bible has way more offensive things in it: rape, slavery, genocide…
@@UdoyeTobechukwuJesus was absolutely an apocalyptic prophet in the Bible
All of this aside, give your life to Christ, He loves you and wants you. And if you think Jesus is a myth, I pray in the name of Jesus that you have personal encounter with the Living God. 1❤
I feel like you didn’t choose the right people for each side.
i strongly agree with you
Well the man in the suit did well.
@@roseariexxdelight9782 not for me… he’s probably one of the worst on this panel for me 🤷🏾♀️
@@aminademe6398 In what way? please elaborate?
@@geoffreywright9856 he’s don’t seem open to discussion, or to others believes than the ones he has. In a debate, you dont have to change your mind, but you can understand people, listen, evolve. There is no tolerance here. And theres multiples time when he almost disrespected the muslim side of the panel. I think he could have communicated with « forms ». Hes not the only one tho. For me, to be able to talk about this subject, you have to come with some knowledge about all religions concerned, that is a must. Thats my opinion.
If Jesus said no one can see the father except thru him then it means there's some one who's more greatest and higher than all.
This video is proof that a lot of “Christians” do not know the God they claim to serve. Our God is 3 in one. If you do not believe this then we do not serve the same God period.
Eish, my only suggestion is that you would've got a mixed Christian speakers. They all seem protestant - pentecostal or non denominational, but it would've been good to seen a catholic speaking on natural theology to the first question. Orthodox talk on the second prompt. Even could have had some Mormons or Adventist there
You won’t find this in Nigeria
Right? There would have been more nuance to the conversation. I love and appreciate how the Catholics know so much of church history.
@mazgermaine5471 there are 35 million catholics though in Nigeria
So the Christians can prove each other wrong. Lmao 😂
Mormons and Adventists follow un biblical doctrines 😭.
Pre-watch opinion: No, both are outsiders attempt to gentrify another's religion into their own. Changing it to fit their own image. The way to determine it is there should be a one-to-one match with the laws they follow. If there is a difference, then it's a different god.
If we worshipped the same God we would be the same religion but different sects but since we are different religions we worship different Gods, have you ever seen multiple religions worshiping the same God?
Judaism and Islam believe in Oneness. Christianity meanwhile have the trinity. I would say Jews and Muslims worship the same God.
Even Sikhs believe in one God you worship the same God you are of your father the devil
The Jews do not believe in the same God as the Muslims, becuase to believe in allah you have to belive in Muhammed. No jew believes in Muhammed
The Muslim god is a pagan god. If you haven't read any tafsir, you stand no chance.
This one will be heated
Asinnn
It wasn't.
@@KingofgraceSARA😂😂😂😂
Right
I've seen heated debates with Christians bringing Muslims to check the Muslims on their faith..
This one wasn't that heated.
19:02 I love the way this dude put it
24:15 That's because pleasing God to reach paradise is a big deal we have to connect with Him 5 times a day unlike the Christians who worship only in the morning or as at when convenient
Pastor Jesus is proud of you. Pastor had me laughing hard when he said it's like he will cry saying this truth funny as it sounds if is the truth . Lord have mercy and save the lost souls❤
I have a question, Uthman danfodio did what, and he fought wars to conquer states for islam, those who refuse to become islamic state
I think this is pointless. You need to know the quaran before you can prove to them. Jesus was mentioned more than Mohammed in their quaran.even the quaran somewhere said if you don't understand reading the quaran you should go to the acripture readers. Here in Ghana , muslims uses Bible and quaran to preach. We all believe in the same God
Luke 18:18-19
18 A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
19 But Jesus said to him, 'Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.
Point one: prophets Mohammed is not the same as jesus, they should read their quran well, it is indicated that jesus Christ was bruised, for us died and Resurrected on the third day, prophets Mohammed did not rise on the third day.
Secondly, we are not slaves to God, we are friends of God, children of the father, heirs of the kingdom
the original “god” of Mecca was el baal, as in the baal of the Old Testament. Through research and deduction you can trace baal back to Satan. Satan can disguise himself as an angel, Muhammad was visited by an “angel” The Christian Bible written 600 years before Islam was first founded said Satan is the greatest deceiver, Muslims say Allah is the greatest deceiver. Seems they’re right, and fell for it themselves.
I wished they talked about muslim marrying four wives vrs Christian !
Wasn’t it Solomon that had multiple wives in the Bible? We as Christians aren’t any better
@@Mmesomachiihonestly, the trend that is dominating, is that of displaying the flaws of other religions and choosing to turn a blind eye to the flaws of their own religion 🤷🏾♀️ Nothing short of bias.
@@Mmesomachiijews are only allowed to marry one woman, and they cite the issues Solomon had when he had multiple wives as reason not to marry more than one
@@Mmesomachii And those wives led him to his downfall. Just because God allowed him to do it doesn’t mean he agrees or is ok with it.
Don’t act like in Africa, there are many men who have multiple wives who are not Muslim. That’s a very ignorant statement.
The guy in the dove neck shirt and red trousers, that claims to be a Christian, is not serious. The guy said we worship the same God yet believes that the Muslims are going to hell. Uncle, how?
He didn't know what he was saying cause he barely made sense.
This is unnecessary to debate on Religion i believe everyone should just believe in what they want to believe in. This is beyond you all. Before you know it Muslim will start fighting unprovoked. Am a Christian and i don't believe when people think others will go to hell because they do not believe in your arguments.
Yeh and let millions go to hell 🤨your senseless
As a muslim I respect esther for the way she formats her speach its like she actually studied and is educated unlike pastor rock which just spits out stuff without knowledge.
There are a lot of things about religion that only God can settle. The best thing is to love everyone and remember we are humans first before anything.
the guy in the red pants is spouting nonsense, I wish I was there, how disgusting the claims he makes, full of misinformation and garbage coming out of his mouth.
And he said he's a pastor 😢
That is not the pastor
@@olajumokepatunola4035 yes but he said during that alone session that he was a minister. I'm not talking about Pastor Rock
This christians are not doing a good job at all. it was from the first prompt i know they don't know their onions
The muslims came with receipts
Fr tho, how can they say we worship dame God
Same*
Receipts?? They missed hard when they were asking why Muhammad isn't in the Bible. Why is Apostle Paul and Jesus, John the Baptist not in the Torah?? Abi they don't understand the timelines of these religions? It's not like Jesus and Muhammad existed with the same century.
@@tamiausten873Even at that Muhammad is a false prophet so what would he be doing in the Bible
@@Ytulipsswhat is a false prophet? What differentiate a true one from a false one?
Common now guys! You can do better in selecting people who are well grounded. The first question alone is turn off from their take, Common!
Lmao, the caption already has a premise of Christianity being the Supreme faith. But I'll watch to the end cause i love you guys!!!!!!
Thank you 🤗🤗, the question asked in the title of the video was actually coin from what the Christians said in the video 🙏🏾🙏🏾
@@jointhecruise please bring me on this show, next time tou want to have auch debate. I beg of you🙂
@@YusufBayo fill up the link the the description of this vy
@@jointhecruise done.
"Those who worship other gods with faith and devotion also worship me, even if they do not observe the usual forms. I am the object of all worship, its enjoyer and Lord"
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Ram Hare Ram
Ram Ram Hare Hare
🕉🕉🕉🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Its crazy seeing Africans practice religions that were forced upon them
They both Abrahamic. That is the middle ground 😂
One was giving the promise big difference
What does it mean for islam to be an abrahamic religion?
@@retouchbystrength8080 ‘Abrahamic’ is to have descended from Abraham. God promised Abraham that he would be the father of many nations and that he would establish him. The child of promise was Isaac (root of Christianity) but Abraham also had a son with Hagar, called Ishmael (the root of Islam) and God blessed him.
Thus, both spring from Abraham.
I hope this helps ☺️
@@mariann716How is Ishmael connected to Mohammed or Islam
Islam as nothing to the with Abraham go and do some research..there is no proof that Mohammed came frpm the decendant of ismeal both is parent are pagans..
As a muslim I can see how both sides doesn't have enough knowledge at all.
Like this debate is basically "trust me bro I feel that my relegion is the right one"
But that's not how it works and also debating people that has no knowledge of the other relegion is pointless.
This is interesting, the Bible states, the soul that sinneth it shall die, the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him, but if the wicked shall turn, he shall be forgiven. Simply means no one will be punished for the other's sin.
Christians treating it as if its facts. Muslins treating it like an opinion. This is the difference
Don’t lie 😂
Both sides stood their grounds on their convictions
The Muslims definitely made wayyy more sense even tho there were only 2 of them
How do you even know what Islam is about? Am a Christian but since I was a child I have always known we do not worship the same God. Thank you lady in green. Am not a slave to God am the kings kid. I have been saved by Grace and am assured of heaven. Do Muslim knows were they are going when they die. That’s why they perform prayers after death that is too late.God is the only way to heaven you have to believe in him to be saved. It’s Imam is not by being nice you go to heaven aunty hijab the fact that we are all Christians does not mean heaven is guaranteed. Even the Bible says not all that call me Lord lord will enter my kingdom. That example with utman danfodio did not make sense. Peace??? Y’all are peaceful during fasting cos of hypocrisy. Pastor thank you for defending that peace question sir.So a whole Allah speaks only one language ? Wait force the child at age 10? Ahhh You can’t force adults children God gives us free will. You can only pray for your kids and teach them. Train them up in the way of the Lord and in my opinion if you do it right they will not depart from it.
Religion is so dumb and divisive and this episode proves that.
Thank you for trying to defined our faith in Our Lord and Saviour, we are all still learning everyday ✝️ We don’t believe in the same God, if you don’t believe that Jesus Christ is God then we don’t server the same God. Both Christian and Muslims believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, I don’t understand why that was even debated tbh.
In the bible it says that “lets us make man in our image” Us referring to the son Jesus Christ and the holy spirt. There are numerous verses that affirm Jesus' deity 1: John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
2. Colossians 2:9 - "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
3. Titus 2:13 - "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." These verses, among others, clearly state that Jesus is God.
No we don't worship the same God.. Jesus was not a prophet. He is God the Son, the word of God that became flesh
What about Jews? They do not believe your Jesus.
Omo at the end of the day you don't need to be christain or Muslim to live and do the right thing in life.
Exactly 🙌🏾
If my brothers Muslims are saying that they are serving unseen God which means their God is spirit , while they don't believe in holy spirit then which spirit God they are serving,? But God bless you all bcuz only in Africa you can sat down two great religion together in peace,.
gods love angel is on the right track you can see he isn’t brainwashed like the other christian’s on the show In sha Allah he finds the truth soon, he has the right intentions in his heart
What is Esther saying?? Was she born last week?? What religion of peace??? Jesus is the Prince of Peace.
Time to grab my pop corn and watch
7:06- the difference is our God stayed as the supreme entity, yours evolves into having a son and being a spirit…and the Quran does not have the biblical quote “created in Gods image”
We do worship the same God, really sad to see an Islamic teacher saying that we don't.
In Surah Al - Ankabut verse 46 it reads:
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Now, most Christians do not know their history, they do not know that the trinity was introduced by the Greeks with their polytheism culture and mentality when the Bible got translated from Aramaic to Greek and in the concept of trinity was introduced in the First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE after years of debate.
Well, us muslims believe in the Al-Injeel which is the original Gospel that was revealed to Prophet Jesus peace be upon him from God, not to the Bible. The Bible means collection of books and no God revealed the new testament as they were written by the apostles who by the way are unknown writers, you can check any Bible footnote it will say that the author of Mark, Luke etc etc are unknown.
Plus there are many quotation in the Bible that contradicts the whole doctrine of trinity and that Jesus is God,
Jesus did not know the hour right?
Only God knows the hour,
1 John 4:12 God cannot be seen, yet Jesus was seen,
God cannot die yet Jesus died,
God was called God, Jesus a man
God was worshipped, Jesus worshipped the Father and not only that he explicitly says to DO NOT worship him but the father in Mathew 7:21:23
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." I mean it does not get clearer than that, Jesus never called himself God and always worshipped GOD, he submitted his will to GOD's will hence why he was muslim, muslim means servant/ slave , so servant of God because we submit our will to His will!
I hope this can spike curiosity in our fellow Jews and Christians brothers and sisters and start asking themselves questions and seek the truth
Guy you said that those who do not believe in Christ has to die . Did you not say that?
Since you have 25 prophet in your Quran. The Question now is
What were those prophet talking about?
Since prophet prophesy that is they talk about things to come, what was thier prophecy about? Since most of the prophet include those we have in the Old testament too.
What were their claims?
Well go search that up
8:49 ignorance is crazy. But it’s not her fault. It’s just popular opinion.
The word Muslim in Arabic means the one who submitted to the will of Allah like Jesus in John 5:30 who said, I am not seeking my own will but the will of the father who sent me
This is not going anywhere cause all of them draw their knowledge from books which are totally different. Hence they speak with so much confidence claiming their book is what is true. Secondly if we can’t use our human knowledge to understand or know God how are we even able to verify the truth of the holy books? A simple debunking of the holy books crumbles their whole claim.
My sister sound ignorant the Old Testament is in the Quran, in Torah , and the Bible .
Jewish, Muslim and Christian. We should live in love and respect each other . Selah 🙏
I think this video shows we need to do our own research about who God is, No where in the bible does it say we need religion, the bible teaches us to have a deep and meaningful relationship with Jesus Christ 🫶🏾
Yes there are many different translations of the bible but most have the same message, that Jesus Christ is God and he died on the cross and arose on the 3rd day. I believe that there are around 10 -12 translations of the Quran also so you can’t just point out that we do only
If they believe in the same prophet's how do they not worship the same god. Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same god.
Both offshoots of Judaism so at the very least there is a lot of connective tissue, practices and shared beliefs
But similar to how traditional Jews do not see Jesus as the promised messiah
And Christians see Jesus as the promised messiah , and God incarnate
(Co-equal with the father person of the trinity)
And Muslims view Jesus as the promised messiah and a great prophet, but not God incarnate
In fact the fact that the crusafiction is a point of contention between the Christians and Muslims informs a lot on how/why they have the views on him
Notice I used Jesus as a benchmark to highlight differences. There are obviously more nuanced differences you can get into, but this felt like a solid start point
Please let’s not get tribal. Let’s reflect the glory and mercy of God
I’m disappointed with the Christian’s who agreed that we worship the same God with Muslims
He who comes into God must believe that he sent his Son and this son God
Please read Mathew 12:24-40 you'll understand we don't serve the same God. This people are telling you they serve the same God and you're insisting we're serving the same God.
The bible does not acknowledge or mention prophet Muhammad. Meanwhile, Jesus is pictured as sinless and perfect in the Quran, even Mary, mother of Jesus is above the mother of their prophet, and that gives the muslims a lot of headaches.
Ok Religion I wish you guys found a way to fix in Avraham Ben Mohse from Ghana 🇬🇭 he is enlightened 💡💐and will really add up to the show . Everyone did well 🙏🏽. We need more light on such topics
Pastor you are saying the truth. It’s even written in the qu’ ran chapter 5 verse 51. Read it
2 Corinthians 6:17 says the same thing Lol
1 samuel 15:3
honestly, I would love to have this convo because I believe that some points were true but conveyed distastefully
Don't believe anyone will go to hell😢 God will sort that.
Muslims and Christians both serve the same God. That's why they have similar figures like Abraham/Ibrahim. The main point of contention is the nature of that God. Whether he is a trinity or a singular figure
Many Christians refuse to believe this
To all Muslims... The Quran said there are 124,000 prophet sent out to the world but we inow of none but Muhammad. Please don't used Non of the JEWS prophet like Moses, Elijah, David, Samuel, Malachi, Isaiah, etc....Jews prayed to YAWEH.....not ALLAH
Just be good, if you know what that is
and be kind
more than 90% of the time, our parents imprint our believes on us. Are we doomed on basis of which family we are birthed or we grow up in?
Religion or belief is some pointless argument on this ground.
Omo, shey dem never sack Editor like this?
Alhamdulillah ❤🤲🏽
To all the Christians reading the comments, I urge you to read up on the Council of Nicaea if you are genuinely curious about the origin of the Trinitarian Doctrine. This doctrine that you follow- the Father, Son, and holy spirit are one, was created centuries after the time of Isho (Jesus) by the Romans after a long debate to establish a standardized belief. During the time of Jesus, no one called themselves “Christians”-not even the Disciples. Jesus was a Jew and he spoke Aramaic. In fact , he was never called “Jesus” during his time, nor did his followers call him that. He was called “ Isho” which was his true name in Aramaic! The Aramaic word for God is “ Elah” which is similar in pronunciation to the Arabic word “Allah” considering that both are Semitic languages. Jesus was not the blue-eyed, blond-haired white man you see portrayed in your Churches and in Western movies, rather he was a Middle-eastern man. The point I am trying to make here is that, in order to really know who Jesus Christ was, you must learn history for what it is and not blindly follow what the church fathers are telling you. The bible you have today, The New Testament, is a conglomerate of different testimonies of men, most of whom existed years after the time of Isho. Ask yourself , who was Mathew, Luke, or John? These are anonymous authors of whom today, we don’t even really know when they existed or who they were. This is precisely why the bible is full of not just theological contradictions, but numerical ones as well. You simply cannot take the bible today as a main argument or the main source to hold the foundation of your belief. For example, look up 2nd Samuel:9 vs 1 Chronicles 21:5. If you are not convinced enough, please also look up John 20: 17-18 and Mark 10:18 regarding Jesus acknowledgment of the Father being his God and your God after the Cruxifixction and his declaration of the Superiority of God respectfully. And incase you are wondering why the Muslims pray the way they do, look up Mathew 26: 36-46, when Jesus fell on his face and prayed to God! How can a God pray to himself?! There are a plethora of issues to cover but I will stop here. Please read your bible for what it is, as it is not a holy book, but rather a conglomerate of opinions of men. And please take it upon yourself to investigate the origin of the Trinitarian doctrine in order to better understand your faith.
Peace and blessings be upon you all.
I see you are a Muslim. If you want to have this discussion privately, share with me your WhatsApp number
You are misguided clearly
@@justinemereni689 A typical emotional response as expected from a person who does not even bother to read or educate themself.
@@peaceandblessings297 let's have this debate off UA-cam, maybe WhatsApp. If you truly speak of being educated, I'd gladly educate you. Just drop your WhatsApp number
@@peaceandblessings297 share your WhatsApp no. And let's take this conversation elsewhere. That's if you won't chicken out
The meaning of Islam is not peace and i dont mean Islam is not peaceful, Islam means full submission to Allah and through the prophet Mohammed S. A. W
Why is the muslim lady avoiding the question of if the Quran was written or not. The quran was written same as the Bible which one is Bible was written and Quran was by revelation. Did it fall from the skies? No, it was penned down by a human being because you believe something is inspired doesn't mean it wasn't written. How else did you know about it if it wasn't recorded and kept through history. We need a part 2 of this episode bu with persons grounded in both religions. I'm Christian and I believe my God is the true God and we don't serve the same God. Period!
We are not serve the same God Jesus is God you believe or not everlasting to everlasting
We definitely do not, not even a little bit. Anybody on either side is totally wrong if they believe we do.
video was good but I suggest making it a little shorter because they seem like they are repeating the same things over and over again on both sides.