Also, with the heat sealed crimped hulls, perhaps a good example to trim the old crimp and use a roll crimper. I have an old antique hand crank roll crimper that does a fantastic job. Won it off fleabay for about $25. Great for my slug reloads!
Very cool. I still have some old CIL`s in SSG with the old style heat crimp. I remember also the canadiantire brand shells used to come in boxes of 20....marketing fail there.
Of course you can reload those shells, putting an overshot card before closing the star crimp or cutting the extreme and using an antique manual rolling crimp machine.
Interesting - even though I haven't done any shooting in Canada, I can appreciate the nostalgia in these old boxes. Do they still make much ammo (of any kind) in Canada?
IVI still makes all of small arms ammo for the Canadian military, and occasional runs of police and civilian ammo. There are a couple of Canadian companies making shorgun shells. No rimfire ammo makers in Canada at the moment.
cybot63 Most IMR brand powder is made in Canada, but not all is. For example IMR 8208 XBR powder is made in Austrlaia. Colt Canada does make AR style rifles but most of them are for military and police use.
314299 Shooting Channel Not all but you would think being made here it would be sold at a better price than the States And Higgons is just up the road and I get lower prices at Lawry's shooting supplies in Caledonia near Hamilton
I have only one old box of shotguns shells. Like yours, it's a store brand, and was made for Gambles (defunct since the late 70's) marked Hiawatha. It contains 25 12gauge high brass paper shells probably made by Federal. On the back of the box, there is a cutaway illustration extolling it's superior construction. Some features are the "gas tight no.1 grade hair felt, cushion wads", and the "water tight and waterproof disintegrating top shot wad". The lot numbers on the interlocking flaps might indicate May of 1959 production. The box is a bit mangy, but the contents are in pretty good shape. I have been tempted to shot them up because I just love the smell of recently fired paper shells.
Personally I would not shoot a full box of such old shells if it's a complete box, generally you can get mixed boxes of old shells at gun shows cheap if you want to shoot some paper shells.
Interesting bit of history - I didn't know Federal was still using two-piece wads in its factory shells. From what I've seen, most but not all plastic reloading wads these days are one piece. The rolled paper basewad/plastic construction has "Federal type" all over it, though. The thick plastic sounds like it would be an absolute nightmare for Lee Loader users unless they were the Hulk; and given that centre gap, even those with presses might be tempted to reach for the craft knife and grandpa's bench-mounted roll crimper and collection of over-shot cards. Indeed it was the thick plastic in Winchester Super X hulls that eventually drove me to break down and buy a MEC reloader for my .410 reloading, which crimped the little buggers beautifully right out of the box. :)
No specific license for target shooting. Most, but not all, hunting requires a license. I think all the provinces and territories require completion of a "hunter safety course" to be eligible to hunt.
I think i need to order me some paper hulls! Never fired paper before, i need to experience this! Might as well order some old school wads and such too. Do some black powder loads.
I am also tempted (see the channel of duelist1954 and his three-part series on loading shotshells without a press), but I have so much other stuff on the go right now there simply isn't the time. I wonder sometimes whether people have ever attempted to rebuild their own paper hulls beginning with nothing but the brass head. I think rebuilding the basewad would probably be the trickiest thing, but surely someone's tried rebuilding the hull walls from scratch.
jsnsk101 I'm given to understand that felt, cork and other such wads are still very much in vogue there, as farmers don't like their fields littered with plastic for animal ingestion reasons (among others). This doesn't affect the sort of shooting I do, but it's interesting to note that MEC has come out with a biodegradable plastic clone wad in a couple of styles, so they've obviously perceived either a niche market or pending legislation and are moving to give customers what they want... or potentially must have!
Federal paper hulls are the only commonly available paper shells in North America, and only in 12 gauge, they are just the thing for BP loads. Be cool to get some paper hulls in 20 gauge, I wonder does Eley make those?
jsm666 I currently reload shotshell with only the "Duelist" method. I do have an old antique roll crimper too. This is a super simple way of doing it, it works just fine and I have the flexibility to do anything and produce factory quality shells that look great too. I'm going to get a Load-All soon at least and would like a Mec or something down the road.
I have a bunch of fired PAPER HULL 20 Ga #9 with CIL on the headstamp - made me wonder how long they've been hanging around for. Mind you, until recently my LGS had a can of IMR powder on the shelf. A true can, metal with the screw top lid!!
Don't forget SCORE shot shells made in Manitoba. They are good ammo and proudly Canadian made. Good video.
I've not yet seen that brand here on the east coast.
I have used CIL slugs for deer way back lol they worked well.I'm 71 so paper hulls were the thing .Great video keep them coming.
I have a few of those paper CIL slugs in 12, 16 and 20 gauge, not enough to shoot though, mostly just as collector items.
Also, with the heat sealed crimped hulls, perhaps a good example to trim the old crimp and use a roll crimper. I have an old antique hand crank roll crimper that does a fantastic job. Won it off fleabay for about $25. Great for my slug reloads!
I've done that myself, trimmed the ragged section off and made 2-1/2" shells, but usually crimped with a fold crimp.
Very cool. I still have some old CIL`s in SSG with the old style heat crimp. I remember also the canadiantire brand shells used to come in boxes of 20....marketing fail there.
Yes, the 20 shell boxes were a bit of a scam, a little like the Federal .22 ammo that come in 40 shot boxes. Same price, less ammo.
Of course you can reload those shells, putting an overshot card before closing the star crimp or cutting the extreme and using an antique manual rolling crimp machine.
What about using a wood burning tool, or a drop of hot or super glue to seal the end of the shell? Just a thought.
You have to be careful with glue as you can end up making a slug.
Interesting - even though I haven't done any shooting in Canada, I can appreciate the nostalgia in these old boxes.
Do they still make much ammo (of any kind) in Canada?
IVI still makes all of small arms ammo for the Canadian military, and occasional runs of police and civilian ammo. There are a couple of Canadian companies making shorgun shells. No rimfire ammo makers in Canada at the moment.
IMR powders are made here and the Colt AR manufactured here
cybot63
Most IMR brand powder is made in Canada, but not all is. For example IMR 8208 XBR powder is made in Austrlaia. Colt Canada does make AR style rifles but most of them are for military and police use.
314299 Shooting Channel Not all but you would think being made here it would be sold at a better price than the States And Higgons is just up the road and I get lower prices at Lawry's shooting supplies in Caledonia near Hamilton
cybot63
They ship the powder bulk to the USA where it is packaged and distributed, so it ends up being brought back in to Canada.
I have only one old box of shotguns shells. Like yours, it's a store brand, and was made for Gambles (defunct since the late 70's) marked Hiawatha. It contains 25 12gauge high brass paper shells probably made by Federal. On the back of the box, there is a cutaway illustration extolling it's superior construction. Some features are the "gas tight no.1 grade hair felt, cushion wads", and the "water tight and waterproof disintegrating top shot wad". The lot numbers on the interlocking flaps might indicate May of 1959 production. The box is a bit mangy, but the contents are in pretty good shape. I have been tempted to shot them up because I just love the smell of recently fired paper shells.
Personally I would not shoot a full box of such old shells if it's a complete box, generally you can get mixed boxes of old shells at gun shows cheap if you want to shoot some paper shells.
Interesting bit of history - I didn't know Federal was still using two-piece wads in its factory shells. From what I've seen, most but not all plastic reloading wads these days are one piece.
The rolled paper basewad/plastic construction has "Federal type" all over it, though.
The thick plastic sounds like it would be an absolute nightmare for Lee Loader users unless they were the Hulk; and given that centre gap, even those with presses might be tempted to reach for the craft knife and grandpa's bench-mounted roll crimper and collection of over-shot cards. Indeed it was the thick plastic in Winchester Super X hulls that eventually drove me to break down and buy a MEC reloader for my .410 reloading, which crimped the little buggers beautifully right out of the box. :)
Thanks for the info. I've got some of these in 16 gauge, sold under "Canuck".
What color are the hulls, orange?
314299 Shooting Channel
Red, number 5 shot.
Hi:) I remember the Canucks shells that Canadian tire sold
Do they have gun shows in Canada? Do you have to have a permit in order to buy shells??
Yes, there are gun shows in Canada. You need a firearms license in order to buy guns or ammo.
If you want to hunt or target shoot do you have to have a license for that?? Can any citizen get one?
No specific license for target shooting. Most, but not all, hunting requires a license. I think all the provinces and territories require completion of a "hunter safety course" to be eligible to hunt.
I think i need to order me some paper hulls! Never fired paper before, i need to experience this! Might as well order some old school wads and such too. Do some black powder loads.
I grew up on paper hulls, and if i still lived in the UK i am sure i could still buy some Eley cartridges in paper today.
I am also tempted (see the channel of duelist1954 and his three-part series on loading shotshells without a press), but I have so much other stuff on the go right now there simply isn't the time. I wonder sometimes whether people have ever attempted to rebuild their own paper hulls beginning with nothing but the brass head. I think rebuilding the basewad would probably be the trickiest thing, but surely someone's tried rebuilding the hull walls from scratch.
jsnsk101 I'm given to understand that felt, cork and other such wads are still very much in vogue there, as farmers don't like their fields littered with plastic for animal ingestion reasons (among others). This doesn't affect the sort of shooting I do, but it's interesting to note that MEC has come out with a biodegradable plastic clone wad in a couple of styles, so they've obviously perceived either a niche market or pending legislation and are moving to give customers what they want... or potentially must have!
Federal paper hulls are the only commonly available paper shells in North America, and only in 12 gauge, they are just the thing for BP loads. Be cool to get some paper hulls in 20 gauge, I wonder does Eley make those?
jsm666 I currently reload shotshell with only the "Duelist" method. I do have an old antique roll crimper too. This is a super simple way of doing it, it works just fine and I have the flexibility to do anything and produce factory quality shells that look great too. I'm going to get a Load-All soon at least and would like a Mec or something down the road.
I walked into my local crappy tire the other day and purchased new imperial shells. I thought they went the way of the dodo years ago
Made by S.E.C.L. In st-Justine de Newton Quebec
Nevermind that is challenger
I have a bunch of fired PAPER HULL 20 Ga #9 with CIL on the headstamp - made me wonder how long they've been hanging around for. Mind you, until recently my LGS had a can of IMR powder on the shelf. A true can, metal with the screw top lid!!
I'm going to have to pick up a box or two of those "new" Imperial shells myself.
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