Never. Disney is replacing their target market from w families to b families. Tiana just recolonized the land. They'll likely recreate Atlanta and make a MLK tribute inside. Maybe George Floyd too.
At the Magic Kingdom they plan to turn "problematic frontierland" into a slave trading port city to compliment the new woke mountain splash ride. It ironic that they had to kill the single most popular ride on the planet "Splash Mountain" because of problematic ties to slavery in the Song of the South story, yet they jump from the frying pan to the fire and make the entire land a slave trading city. The city was built by slaves but to its credit, 1/3 of the slaves in New Orleans were owned by other black people.
Fun Fact: The singer of "Bear Necessities" in the new Country Bear show is Mac McAnally, a longtime Nashville performer and a member of the late Jimmy Buffett's Coral Reefers Band (I recognized him in the D23 video they showed announcing the change). :)
I know that the themes of Frontierland have become less resonant over time, but I would be very disappointed to lose the river and Tom Sawyer island. There are so few places left in the Magic Kingdom to retain that quaint vintage feel.. between the low-tech "Mystery Spot" effects and the charming riverside scenery.. Not to mention so few places left in the park where you can sit for a while and not feel like you're about to be trampled.
At least Country Bears is not going away at all. The music etc has changed in the past, but the Bears have still been there and great. Hopefully the Spirit of Country Bears will still be there. As far as expansion promises from Disney, i will believe it when i see it.
That's what I think the Splash Mtn retheme should have been. Going on a nice ride through Kermit's swamp, with all his friends visiting, then Gonzo or Crazy Harry blows something up and you go down and end up face to face with Kermit strumming his banjo.
Like you said, there’s been changes to the Country Bears in the past, but most of this occurred before social media - so there wasn’t really a platform for a buzz or outcry of complaints, people just accepted it, like - “oh great look a new show”, they either liked it, or they didn’t, and they moved on. Imagine that. Doesn’t mean they were good changes (speaking of all attractions) - they just were changes and updates that are usually just part of the ebb and flow of theme parks.
I’m completely fed up with Disney teasing new projects like “Beyond Big Thunder Mountain” to get short term media buzz. In reality, they’ve squandered and betrayed the good will of their loyal fans with false promises and big ideas that seldom come to pass. Disney needs to show some good faith by actually announcing projects, funding them, and getting them built in a reasonable period of time. All the rest is noise and manipulation. Enough already!
I find that the problem is that they should have re-themed our Splash Mountain to something different (even though I didn’t want it re-themed to begin with, but be that as it may…) as Tiana’s Bayou was never going to fit right in the middle of Frontierland. It fits in Disneyland because of how that area is themed already. This is something I said from the very beginning and it’s really sad that they stuck the bayou in the middle of the Wild West.
Tiana should have received her own new ride- as I agree with you- a mean last time I checked not to many mountains when I was in NOLA last month! Typical Disney being cheap with WDW- we are the ugly stepsister to. Dland
Well to be honest I don't think splash mountain even seemed to fit Frontierland anyway as well, Song of the South is based in Georgia which isn't even close to the Wild West, while Louisiana for Tiana's is somewhat next door to the American frontier.
@@FaroshBoiit’s not just about hypothetical geography in the films. But how it actually looks next to each other. Tiana shouldn’t be anywhere near Frontierland in magic kingdom.
@@FaroshBoi I agree with you, but the aesthetic on the outside fit in much better than what they are making it out to be. Now it really does look out of place.
I want to know how anyone goes day to day finding fault and offence in absolutely everything no matter how trivial! You really really really have to have to out for a lot of people and things like restaurants and theming 'offensive and problematic'
I love that cartoon... One of my all-time favorites. However.... It is frickin' racist. How did the Painted Desert get its name? on the other hand, western American colonialism is no more racist than eastern, so ima gonna be real bothered if Frontierland somehow 'bears' the brunt of Disney's push to whitewash history ( like, more than they have I mean).
Holy sh!$! Thats Mac McAnally!!! That gives me HUGE faith in Jamboree Bears. That guy is a LEGEND. Look up the song It’s My Job or The City by Mac. Amazing stuff. He was also part of Jimmy Buffett’s coral reefer band.
Villians aren't as near as popular as people like to think. Princesses are way more popular & would get a full park before villians. Any Villian event they try is very short lived.
For the Bears I think most of the hate is due to the fact that people are sick of Disney doing IP related things. I'm glad the Bears get to stay, but for me, it's the fact that instead of making entirely new original songs, they're just going to use Disney songs instead. I'm guessing that's the reason for the fire, but in my case, I kind of just accept this as fate. However, I think I'd be more excited about this 20 years ago, before Disney's obsession with making everything have a Disney IP tie-in and therefore burning me out. I love covers, especially when usually people take a song and change the genre and this show will definitely have that. However, I miss going to an original Disney attractions without IP related stuff. Don't hate it, just disappointed. I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but at the same time, so tired of Disney IP related stuff. Kinda a weird one to miss, but I'm going to miss Blood on the Saddle.
So many places just use that as a marketing slogan anyhow. A local Grocery chain near me claims they are “Employee Owned” - but the reality is that only the manager has a tiny stake of stock. The average employee gets nothing.
Well that is a marketing term. A great example to counter your point; Publix is "employee-owned" but you would never know it. So pointing out that Disney isnt employee-owned, wouldn't make a difference in operations, the same way it doesnt make a difference in Publix's operations. I think you might have the fantasy that cashiers and cooks would be sitting in the board room making decisions in an "employee-owned" business. By the way did I say this is a fantasy itself? Lol Maybe you are confusing the definition of "employee-owned" with a family company, the same way Walmart is a family company. Family members own shares, but not necessarily making board room decisions.
Clearly people are forgetting Home on the Range.. its a Disney Animation movie, set in the west and could easily slot into the park behind BTM.. of course, the quality of the movie is up for debate
"There was blood..." - - Hubby and I always look at each other and sing along when we see it. I hope that line is still kept around. We laugh every time.
@@jeanhealy3132 hey calm down man. It’s all good. Tom said they might still make references to the existing songs in the new content so we will see what happens. :-)
The problem I have with Disney making large changes is that this leadership has repeatedly shown they will go cheaper, quicker and easier. Every change is a step away from the original spirit of Disney.
In theory, yes, Country Bears have had updates before and it's always come back to the classic show so whatever. So did the Tiki Room. But in practice, I don't trust this generation of Imagineers to make a show as good as the original or the vacation hoedown. And the fact that it's just going to be self-referential pop-country doesn't bode well either... It's going to take out two of the three things that made the show good to begin with: the humour and the real music. All that'll be left are the animatronics. But it's par for the course with Disney taking out or vandalizing everything I liked. Speaking of which... Actually, WDW has an awesome Tom Sawyer Island that's actually something like what the original at Disneyland used to be. I guess I'll need to go to Japan, a more enlightened society, for Splash Mountain and Tom Sawyer Island. That's alright, it's cheaper than WDW anyway.
Tom, you mention there are no lands that are interrupted then pick up again, but Bear Country / Critter Country was essentially just an extension of Frontierland… that said, I agree the aesthetic switch wouldn’t work as well as it stands at MK.
A lot of mixed feelings about Country Bear Jamboree: I’m as initially-resistant to change as any other parks fanatic, yet at the same time I recognize its attendance is some of the lowest at MK. And as much as I loathe that the new music is rehashed songs from Disney IP, I thank God that Disney kept the iconic Country Bears instead of replacing them with *YET ANOTHER* movie-origin IP like Woody’s Roundup. I would’ve gladly sacrificed that to keep Splash mountain, though. All in all, this is probably the best outcome we could’ve hoped for given current leadership 😕
14:48 ILL BUY IT!! I did buy a 2024 die-cast bus at MCO Airport in December 2023 and i used to collect toy buses when i was young. I have no problems going back. It is close in design to the actual bus manufacturer, Gillig
@@AJolls see, could have had a 'Cars' expansion land instead of Galaxy's Edge- there was already a car related attraction there to begin with- but no disney ya had to double down...
@@AJolls as was the initial plans BEFORE KK got her claws on it and persuaded Iger to change direction after what The Force Awakens did in the BO. most of the creatives and WDI working on the project thought it was going to BE OT based, until KK came in and ripped up the blueprints mid coffee break... and well look what we got in the end
I don't disagree about the River's of America being an option for it to go away in it's current form, but if it does go away, it's gone. I do not think Disney would bring it back. Those toy buses are neat I agree!
If Disney were challenged with committing the most damaging changes possible, they couldn’t do anything better than Country Bear Jamboree and Splash Mountain. Their “magic touch” now resembles the Grimm Reaper. Every franchise they touch turns to garbage. Cases in point Star Wars, Pixar, and Marvel.
hahahha ' coming soon to the Disney theme parks- the river Styx expansion land! want to feel like you're in hell? now you can! ride Charon's boats across the 'river', meet Hades, pain and panic, hang out with Scar, and Chernobog! Thrill as you visit the first Disney park with NO air conditioning, nowhere to sit, and extra long lines! that' right everything is standby...'
It would make sense to change Pecos Bill cafe and that area around it to New Orleans themed. If you know the history of Frontierland at Disneyland those buildings between Riverbelle Terrace and the Stage Door Cafe use to be called the New Orleans area, and where New Orleans Square in was once part of Frontierland. So this would be basically repeating history, just at Magic Kingdom this time.
I always felt that Big Thunder Mountain seemed out of place in Frontier land since that is themed after the far west when the rest of the land was the frontier as you might see it in Bonanza; Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Missouri, Georgia. New Orlando actually fits into this geographically where Big Thunder appears to be more California / Nevada.
When checking the Disney App for Passholders to make reservations.. All days and all parks are open for reservations with a green symbol from now until the end of the year. I hope this means there will be no issues visiting.
It would be cool, since they just announced the last show at 9 PM, if they let you speak about the history or how much you love it! Maybe they let you have a meet up at the last show
An engineer would know more than me, but it seems like the top 2/3 of Big Thunder could just be removed and a remodel of the rest. The last I knew the interior special effects of lift hill #3 don't work and everything after lift hill #3 is boring.
@@brentbechtold7352 that makes a lot more sense. 🎉 I thought it was about him picking his nose or something, not about being trampled by a horse lol just doesn’t seem to mix with any of the rest of those songs, kind of comes out of nowhere, and I was like what the heck is this about? Lol. Big Al is still my fav teddy bear 😂❤
Disneyland it's not an issue, but for MK they need a convoluted backstory where Tiana encounters a time machine and goes back in time to the 1800's, all the while trying to get home to 1927. It would be perfect, 🙄
I love the growth Tom. You have to let them cook! Each show proves why I may not always agree with you. But I always appreciate your passion for all things Disney! Great video.
What I wonder is why can't disney install new attractions like thunder mountain or haunted mansion that don't involve ip. Rides like these are usually my favorite and I couldn't tell you the last time they installed one
it's not Disney World anymore- it's become 'Disney IP World'.. everything has to be an advertisement or push a movie, property, aquisition, etc.. it can't just be FUN rides and attractions that don't have a tether or don't have to have a purpose or a story... everything ahs to end in a gift shop, so you can 'pay to remember' your experience
Changing Pecos Bill to Cafe Orleans would be awesome. Bring over that fabulous Monte Cristo sandwich. A DL gem for sure. If WDW keeps the Rivers of America, bring over the Davy Crockett canoes. Bring those keel boats back. As for IP for Frontierland, may I suggest Home on the Range. I know Rosanne was a part of the movie, but my son loved it and I liked it.
There are too many clues pointing to the "Beyond" in Beyond Frontierland referring to the area on the other side of Big Thunder. The famous rock spire is in the foreground of the concept art. The concept art pathway is suspiciously L-shaped, just like the shape of the Fort Langhorn part of Tom Sawyer Island (which is actually two islands). And there's weird digging going on adjacent to the Rivers that might suggest a rerouting, which would make sense as Tom Sawyer Island North is not a very large piece of land and lengthening the route could keep ride buildings hidden from view. As for what those ride buildings could be... who knows? Especially with Encanto off the table (which was a weird fit anyhow). I don't think a Villains "land" was ever actually a thing, especially with nebulous concept art and where it's supposed to be going, but now I wonder if it'll have to replace the Madrigals. The best fit would be Cars Land, but they are not going to build Cars Land back here, at least not in its current iteration. Maybe Route 66, maybe with the flat rides and the Cadillac range. But they wouldn't do Radiator Springs Racers after just adding Tron. (Plus, it's a space hog.) Personally, I'd move the Speedway over here, adding Cars cars. Coco, which WILL happen somewhere, does have the Mexico pavilion as an alternative. And, some say, Animal Kingdom. But if they try to shove it into a "Tropical Americas" theme, I will DESTROY them.
I actually like WDW's river better than DL's. DL's has way too much concrete and looks like some rich dude's back yard. I also like that the river has sounding boards.
Love the bus designs. I wish they had the 50th buses but I guess it's too late for those to be die cast toys. Looking forward to more if they are reading this over in merch.
I sometimes feel that Iger is thinking that Frontierland is nothing but a legend, meaning pretty soon, no one will ever believe it even existed. I can imagine what he's gonna say soon: "One day soon, everything about the old west in Frontierland is gonna fade into myth. There's just no place for it anymore! Look at us now! We are completely civilized. That's all the future holds. You can either be a part of it, or you can just be left behind."
Sad to see the bears go, in the sense it’ll be IP music instead of original country tunes. Glad I got to see it one last time on a trip with my family last summer , there was a group of college kids in the front all on vacation. Clearly none of knew what they were in for- the one on the ends face lights up, turns to his buddies grinning, clapping, stomping (at appropriate parts) even doing the phone flashlight bit (off but mimicking) absolutely lost it watching the kid but it’s a great memory, probably for him too lol. I’m glad they get to stay in some capacity. Really hope big Al stays the same 1.) because it’s the best part 2.) because it’d be incredibly funny if he never changes his act One can dream anyway
if disney decides to pave in the river to expand frontierland, i have an idea that could connect everything. Take the scenes and ideas from western river expedition and instead of it being a boat ride, you bring back the critter country 500 idea. this way you have the country bears as a prominent ip in the land, you have some type of western river expedition, it’s all still frontierland, and there’s not three boat rides back to back. they could really do something unique with this ride. i’m thinking something like gringotts but with the new donkey kong type of jumping over track. it wouldn’t be a full on coaster, but it would also be a nice classic feeling dark ride that that corner of the park could use! They could call it the Country Bears’ Western Expedition
by doing this, they get to reuse a lot of the new molds from the new country bears animatronics they’re building. if they build a western river expedition looking mountain facade then they can add a lot of winding trails and caverns so that the fans of toms sawyers island will be happy, and a modern MK attraction can have a both classic and fresh feel
They can still perform the Christmas and Vacation Country Bear shows. It's just the main show that's changing. Hopefully, Pete Reneday returns as Henry 🤞
feels like they start a lot of projects (close areas/attractions) at the same time and things drag on forever. Why not focus efforts on one thing at a time.
i wanna see a villans theme land because i got some ideas like for example a villans theme resturant called house of villians where the villians interact with you and meet with fans and theirs a tv screen showing disney villians star wars villians and mcu villians greatest moments in history and a hocus pocus characters meet and greet as well
With several Major E Ticket Attractions closed for much of 2024 I feel contributes to the reason for Disneyland releasing additional Magic Key sales today. As the Haunted Mansion is down for up to 7 months and Tiana’s Bayou Adventure’s questionable late 2024 opening, single and multi-day tickets are less desirable especially considering the cost/dynamic pricing.
No! Screw that!!!! I’ve been going since I was gestating in my mother’s womb! I’ve been coming since I can remember to see the original country bear jamboree!!
Let’s be real, Disney execs just show us some pretty concept art to keep us happy, like dogs chasing a bone hanging from a stick on our backs. None of their expansion ideas will come to fruition as long as they keep wasting hundreds of millions of dollars on their political agenda films and shows.
I'm not particularly upset by the loss of the original Country Bear Jamboree simply because it's been so cut down over time, especially since the new show was originally developed for Tokyo. They get all the good stuff! This has to be something great, right?
If they decide to do something big for Frontierland, I say they revisit the western river expedition attraction. Good ideas never die
"Don't do that. Don't give me hope."
Never. Disney is replacing their target market from w families to b families. Tiana just recolonized the land. They'll likely recreate Atlanta and make a MLK tribute inside. Maybe George Floyd too.
Epic idea.
At the Magic Kingdom they plan to turn "problematic frontierland" into a slave trading port city to compliment the new woke mountain splash ride. It ironic that they had to kill the single most popular ride on the planet "Splash Mountain" because of problematic ties to slavery in the Song of the South story, yet they jump from the frying pan to the fire and make the entire land a slave trading city. The city was built by slaves but to its credit, 1/3 of the slaves in New Orleans were owned by other black people.
Fun Fact: The singer of "Bear Necessities" in the new Country Bear show is Mac McAnally, a longtime Nashville performer and a member of the late Jimmy Buffett's Coral Reefers Band (I recognized him in the D23 video they showed announcing the change). :)
I know that the themes of Frontierland have become less resonant over time, but I would be very disappointed to lose the river and Tom Sawyer island. There are so few places left in the Magic Kingdom to retain that quaint vintage feel.. between the low-tech "Mystery Spot" effects and the charming riverside scenery..
Not to mention so few places left in the park where you can sit for a while and not feel like you're about to be trampled.
At least Country Bears is not going away at all. The music etc has changed in the past, but the Bears have still been there and great.
Hopefully the Spirit of Country Bears will still be there.
As far as expansion promises from Disney, i will believe it when i see it.
Country Bears exists to lampoon hillbilly hue why people. Can you imagine the same lyrics being applied to Tiana's people?
Much of the music change might have to do with songs falling into public domain in some countries. with Disney music it's easier to hold onto that.
I think they should do a “Rainbow Connection” Muppet themed ride, Kermit with his banjo on Tom Sawyer Island. It would fit with the bayou theme.
And a restaurant where you could smell the bottle cap or hear Rowlf play the piano
Put it in Pirates of the Caribbean.
the muppets are getting the power rangers treatment
That's what I think the Splash Mtn retheme should have been. Going on a nice ride through Kermit's swamp, with all his friends visiting, then Gonzo or Crazy Harry blows something up and you go down and end up face to face with Kermit strumming his banjo.
@@Four_ParksI would pay good money to see a restaurant with an animatronic Rowlf playing the piano
Like you said, there’s been changes to the Country Bears in the past, but most of this occurred before social media - so there wasn’t really a platform for a buzz or outcry of complaints, people just accepted it, like - “oh great look a new show”, they either liked it, or they didn’t, and they moved on. Imagine that. Doesn’t mean they were good changes (speaking of all attractions) - they just were changes and updates that are usually just part of the ebb and flow of theme parks.
I’m completely fed up with Disney teasing new projects like “Beyond Big Thunder Mountain” to get short term media buzz. In reality, they’ve squandered and betrayed the good will of their loyal fans with false promises and big ideas that seldom come to pass. Disney needs to show some good faith by actually announcing projects, funding them, and getting them built in a reasonable period of time. All the rest is noise and manipulation. Enough already!
The "beyond" means that they are still trying to figure out what to do. They are just aware they need to do something.
Need a video of Tom at the very last Country Bear Jamboree performance
I find that the problem is that they should have re-themed our Splash Mountain to something different (even though I didn’t want it re-themed to begin with, but be that as it may…) as Tiana’s Bayou was never going to fit right in the middle of Frontierland. It fits in Disneyland because of how that area is themed already. This is something I said from the very beginning and it’s really sad that they stuck the bayou in the middle of the Wild West.
Tiana should have received her own new ride- as I agree with you- a mean last time I checked not to many mountains when I was in NOLA last month! Typical Disney being cheap with WDW- we are the ugly stepsister to. Dland
Well to be honest I don't think splash mountain even seemed to fit Frontierland anyway as well, Song of the South is based in Georgia which isn't even close to the Wild West, while Louisiana for Tiana's is somewhat next door to the American frontier.
@@FaroshBoiit’s not just about hypothetical geography in the films. But how it actually looks next to each other. Tiana shouldn’t be anywhere near Frontierland in magic kingdom.
I was hoping it would be themed to Brave at WDW, and Avatar at Disneyland.
@@FaroshBoi I agree with you, but the aesthetic on the outside fit in much better than what they are making it out to be. Now it really does look out of place.
Tomorrow is Thursday. Then it is Friday!!! I can’t wait to see what the big announcement is!!!! You guys deserve all the best!
I am forever going to miss the original country bear jamboree, but i am excited to see the new version. Its time for an update.
Whatever they do to Pecos Bills....i just need them to keep the damn nachos/tacos available. It's my go to "plain" food there lol
How does anyone find Pecos Bill offensive? If they do, I would venture to say Disney is not the place for them.
I'm offended by their lack of free, all you can eat guacamole.
I want to know how anyone goes day to day finding fault and offence in absolutely everything no matter how trivial! You really really really have to have to out for a lot of people and things like restaurants and theming 'offensive and problematic'
I love that cartoon... One of my all-time favorites. However.... It is frickin' racist. How did the Painted Desert get its name? on the other hand, western American colonialism is no more racist than eastern, so ima gonna be real bothered if Frontierland somehow 'bears' the brunt of Disney's push to whitewash history ( like, more than they have I mean).
Holy sh!$! Thats Mac McAnally!!! That gives me HUGE faith in Jamboree Bears. That guy is a LEGEND. Look up the song It’s My Job or The City by Mac. Amazing stuff. He was also part of Jimmy Buffett’s coral reefer band.
Maybe Disney ought to give the guests (us) what we want: a FULL villians theme park
They should. They can include some classical rides as well like POC, Space Mountain, and the Haunted Mansion.
If they did...Captain James Hook could be the lead.
@@hatingontruth9118 I can’t wait to see the resorts at that park.
Villians aren't as near as popular as people like to think. Princesses are way more popular & would get a full park before villians. Any Villian event they try is very short lived.
Idea here, maybe the first Disney park that will open after dark... because villains/dark/villainy... :)
We saw the Country Bears this afternoon. Got a photo with Mr. McGrowl.
For the Bears I think most of the hate is due to the fact that people are sick of Disney doing IP related things. I'm glad the Bears get to stay, but for me, it's the fact that instead of making entirely new original songs, they're just going to use Disney songs instead. I'm guessing that's the reason for the fire, but in my case, I kind of just accept this as fate. However, I think I'd be more excited about this 20 years ago, before Disney's obsession with making everything have a Disney IP tie-in and therefore burning me out. I love covers, especially when usually people take a song and change the genre and this show will definitely have that. However, I miss going to an original Disney attractions without IP related stuff. Don't hate it, just disappointed. I'm sure I'll enjoy it, but at the same time, so tired of Disney IP related stuff. Kinda a weird one to miss, but I'm going to miss Blood on the Saddle.
Agreed. I’m sick of IP stuff
I can't get over the irony that The Walt Disney Company is emphasizing the notion that "Tiana's Foods" is employee-owned when Disney, itself, is not.
Disney's current management is happy treating the company's own employees like sharecroppers.
So many places just use that as a marketing slogan anyhow. A local
Grocery chain near me claims they are “Employee Owned” - but the reality is that only the manager has a tiny stake of stock. The average employee gets nothing.
Redwashing... "Look at Tianna's employee-owned worker's cooperative! Isn't our multinational corporation so progressive!"
Well that is a marketing term. A great example to counter your point; Publix is "employee-owned" but you would never know it. So pointing out that Disney isnt employee-owned, wouldn't make a difference in operations, the same way it doesnt make a difference in Publix's operations. I think you might have the fantasy that cashiers and cooks would be sitting in the board room making decisions in an "employee-owned" business.
By the way did I say this is a fantasy itself? Lol Maybe you are confusing the definition of "employee-owned" with a family company, the same way Walmart is a family company. Family members own shares, but not necessarily making board room decisions.
If it was really Employee owned it would not last a whole year
As a Country Bear, Dinosaur, and Riverboat fan... please don't take them all 😭😂😭😂😭
Speaking of Marc Davis, get rid of the riverboat, and go back to the archives, and build the Western River Expedition
I REALLY hope this frontierland thing isn't Vahle's budget cut version of beyond big thunder.
They need to bring back the Christmas show loved it when I was a child
Clearly people are forgetting Home on the Range.. its a Disney Animation movie, set in the west and could easily slot into the park behind BTM.. of course, the quality of the movie is up for debate
Disney wants people to forget about Home on the Range. Along with Chicken Little.
that movie involved Roseanne Barr, who well, is not exactly family friendly right now-
Parrotheads will appreciate the new music from Mac McAnally!
"There was blood..." - - Hubby and I always look at each other and sing along when we see it. I hope that line is still kept around. We laugh every time.
It won’t because it’s going to be a different song! So, no sorry to break it to you!
Same! It’s hysterical and part of the charm!!! I hope they do it right and don’t mess this up 😢
@@TrvlGK224U They’re not! Look at my comment! It says no because it’s going to be different songs!
@@jeanhealy3132 hey calm down man. It’s all good. Tom said they might still make references to the existing songs in the new content so we will see what happens. :-)
The problem I have with Disney making large changes is that this leadership has repeatedly shown they will go cheaper, quicker and easier. Every change is a step away from the original spirit of Disney.
Remember the Disneyland's version of Country Bears was replaced by a bad Winnie the Pooh attraction over 20 years ago.
not just bad, horrendous
@JigglypuffTutorials Not just horrendous, CRIMINAL! Haha😂
In theory, yes, Country Bears have had updates before and it's always come back to the classic show so whatever. So did the Tiki Room. But in practice, I don't trust this generation of Imagineers to make a show as good as the original or the vacation hoedown. And the fact that it's just going to be self-referential pop-country doesn't bode well either... It's going to take out two of the three things that made the show good to begin with: the humour and the real music. All that'll be left are the animatronics. But it's par for the course with Disney taking out or vandalizing everything I liked. Speaking of which... Actually, WDW has an awesome Tom Sawyer Island that's actually something like what the original at Disneyland used to be. I guess I'll need to go to Japan, a more enlightened society, for Splash Mountain and Tom Sawyer Island. That's alright, it's cheaper than WDW anyway.
After seeing the video of the musicians singing “Bear Necessities” I am excited for the change to Country Bears!
"Hold your horses" makes me think the Woody's Roundup horse/pony flat ride and area from Shanghai is extending Frontierland Beyond Big Thunder.
Tom, you mention there are no lands that are interrupted then pick up again, but Bear Country / Critter Country was essentially just an extension of Frontierland… that said, I agree the aesthetic switch wouldn’t work as well as it stands at MK.
Glad Park hopping is back. Love these shirts that Tom is wearing!
'If they paved over the river...' woah woah woah woah no
wonder how many bodies they'd find of ppl who tried to swim across to Tom Sawyer's island... :)
A lot of mixed feelings about Country Bear Jamboree: I’m as initially-resistant to change as any other parks fanatic, yet at the same time I recognize its attendance is some of the lowest at MK. And as much as I loathe that the new music is rehashed songs from Disney IP, I thank God that Disney kept the iconic Country Bears instead of replacing them with *YET ANOTHER* movie-origin IP like Woody’s Roundup.
I would’ve gladly sacrificed that to keep Splash mountain, though.
All in all, this is probably the best outcome we could’ve hoped for given current leadership 😕
Tom your sarcasm makes my day!!!
🎶It's a great big beautiful tomorrow!🎶
14:48 ILL BUY IT!! I did buy a 2024 die-cast bus at MCO Airport in December 2023 and i used to collect toy buses when i was young. I have no problems going back. It is close in design to the actual bus manufacturer, Gillig
I think a Cars themed park area would work well with Big Thunder MT. It fits with the desert setting of Seligman.
cars land belongs in hollywood studios
Agree
@@AJolls see, could have had a 'Cars' expansion land instead of Galaxy's Edge- there was already a car related attraction there to begin with- but no disney ya had to double down...
@@eclipsehorse8693 if they made galaxy edge based on the prequels or the original trio it would of been the most popular area at disney world
@@AJolls as was the initial plans BEFORE KK got her claws on it and persuaded Iger to change direction after what The Force Awakens did in the BO.
most of the creatives and WDI working on the project thought it was going to BE OT based, until KK came in and ripped up the blueprints mid coffee break... and well look what we got in the end
Best thumbnail picture ever I need it on a shirt😂
Imagineering is full of hacks.
I don't disagree about the River's of America being an option for it to go away in it's current form, but if it does go away, it's gone. I do not think Disney would bring it back. Those toy buses are neat I agree!
A Fire Mountain coaster in a Villains Land? Come on Disney, its a slam dunk. JUST DO IT! 😅
Would love more Frontierland! It has always been my favorite from day one!
If Disney were challenged with committing the most damaging changes possible, they couldn’t do anything better than Country Bear Jamboree and Splash Mountain. Their “magic touch” now resembles the Grimm Reaper. Every franchise they touch turns to garbage. Cases in point Star Wars, Pixar, and Marvel.
hahahha '
coming soon to the Disney theme parks- the river Styx expansion land! want to feel like you're in hell? now you can! ride Charon's boats across the 'river', meet Hades, pain and panic, hang out with Scar, and Chernobog! Thrill as you visit the first Disney park with NO air conditioning, nowhere to sit, and extra long lines! that' right everything is standby...'
Doubt they will remove frontierland
Disney!! Please give us a Villian's Island!
Island? How bout a 5th theme park with marvel and villians …somehow make a deal with universal to get those marvel rides rights to Disney
It would make sense to change Pecos Bill cafe and that area around it to New Orleans themed. If you know the history of Frontierland at Disneyland those buildings between Riverbelle Terrace and the Stage Door Cafe use to be called the New Orleans area, and where New Orleans Square in was once part of Frontierland. So this would be basically repeating history, just at Magic Kingdom this time.
I always felt that Big Thunder Mountain seemed out of place in Frontier land since that is themed after the far west when the rest of the land was the frontier as you might see it in Bonanza; Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, Missouri, Georgia. New Orlando actually fits into this geographically where Big Thunder appears to be more California / Nevada.
All of the old Tall Tales folks … John Henry, JohnnyAppleseed, Pecos Bill… for frontier land… Davy Crockett… Bear Country /Frontierland…
I’m glad Bears are not leaving, but they already are replacing the best themed ride in the parks, Splash Mountain, so anything can happen now 😢
Brayden’s been talking about all this for a long time.
He said they were putting the Bears in New Orleans and there would be no Frontierland, that’s not what’s happening
Guys, please understand that the Country Bear Jamboree is getting a new version of the show, that's why it's closing
Yep! Saw on the livestream of D23 last year in 2023!
Ain’t no way you have the guts to take away big thunder mountain railroad
Thanks for the great content. Be back in two weeks!
Theoretically, Louisiana could be considered "frontier." Doesn't quite fit the time period, but I could see the argument.
When checking the Disney App for Passholders to make reservations.. All days and all parks are open for reservations with a green symbol from now until the end of the year. I hope this means there will be no issues visiting.
Lots of thought-provoking information. Of course, I am more excited to see what your announcement is on Friday Lol
There’s a hint in today’s video
Getting ready to watch it again to figure it out.
@@WDWNT I think the hint was the figment plush. I know others received it in the mail this week. You must be back on the media list!
It would be cool, since they just announced the last show at 9 PM, if they let you speak about the history or how much you love it! Maybe they let you have a meet up at the last show
An engineer would know more than me, but it seems like the top 2/3 of Big Thunder could just be removed and a remodel of the rest. The last I knew the interior special effects of lift hill #3 don't work and everything after lift hill #3 is boring.
1:06 I’m glad I got to see it one more time before it was made over, but what the heck was “Blood on the Saddle!?” Song all about!?
Yeah wondering as well because I don’t understand! 😅
What like beside the joke of a macabre song coming out of nowhere?
It's about a horse refusal. Cowboy gets bucked and trampled.
@@brentbechtold7352 that makes a lot more sense. 🎉
I thought it was about him picking his nose or something, not about being trampled by a horse lol
just doesn’t seem to mix with any of the rest of those songs, kind of comes out of nowhere, and I was like what the heck is this about? Lol. Big Al is still my fav teddy bear 😂❤
Disneyland it's not an issue, but for MK they need a convoluted backstory where Tiana encounters a time machine and goes back in time to the 1800's, all the while trying to get home to 1927. It would be perfect, 🙄
Ah yes because Georgia in the Reconstruction Era fitted the American frontier more.
@@FaroshBoi I'm not saying Splash was a perfect fit for Frontierland but at least it still took place in the 1800's.
if we still had the Back to the Future ride, Disney would have hijacked that, and put everyone in 'logs' instead of Deloreans :)
I love the growth Tom. You have to let them cook! Each show proves why I may not always agree with you. But I always appreciate your passion for all things Disney! Great video.
Same! I feel the same way too!
yuea ! bring back the keel boats & the canoes !!! & even add the stage coaches from disneyland !!
I’m guessing they move Frontierland beyond Big Thunder and retheme the current land as New Orleans….
Nashville isn’t in Louisiana
the reopening will bring new guests to see it because it is new. this will keep them around for a long time, one can hope
We saw this in October 1972 on our first family visit. I’ll never forget how much my late mother looked just thoroughly entranced by the attraction.
Best thumbnail ever.
What I wonder is why can't disney install new attractions like thunder mountain or haunted mansion that don't involve ip. Rides like these are usually my favorite and I couldn't tell you the last time they installed one
it's not Disney World anymore- it's become 'Disney IP World'.. everything has to be an advertisement or push a movie, property, aquisition, etc..
it can't just be FUN rides and attractions that don't have a tether or don't have to have a purpose or a story... everything ahs to end in a gift shop, so you can 'pay to remember' your experience
Ooh that new update
Changing Pecos Bill to Cafe Orleans would be awesome. Bring over that fabulous Monte Cristo sandwich. A DL gem for sure.
If WDW keeps the Rivers of America, bring over the Davy Crockett canoes. Bring those keel boats back.
As for IP for Frontierland, may I suggest Home on the Range. I know Rosanne was a part of the movie, but my son loved it and I liked it.
unfortunately, Im not sure how many ppl still remember HOTR, or really care for Roseanne Barr right now- given what she's devolved into
There are too many clues pointing to the "Beyond" in Beyond Frontierland referring to the area on the other side of Big Thunder. The famous rock spire is in the foreground of the concept art. The concept art pathway is suspiciously L-shaped, just like the shape of the Fort Langhorn part of Tom Sawyer Island (which is actually two islands). And there's weird digging going on adjacent to the Rivers that might suggest a rerouting, which would make sense as Tom Sawyer Island North is not a very large piece of land and lengthening the route could keep ride buildings hidden from view.
As for what those ride buildings could be... who knows? Especially with Encanto off the table (which was a weird fit anyhow). I don't think a Villains "land" was ever actually a thing, especially with nebulous concept art and where it's supposed to be going, but now I wonder if it'll have to replace the Madrigals. The best fit would be Cars Land, but they are not going to build Cars Land back here, at least not in its current iteration. Maybe Route 66, maybe with the flat rides and the Cadillac range. But they wouldn't do Radiator Springs Racers after just adding Tron. (Plus, it's a space hog.) Personally, I'd move the Speedway over here, adding Cars cars. Coco, which WILL happen somewhere, does have the Mexico pavilion as an alternative. And, some say, Animal Kingdom. But if they try to shove it into a "Tropical Americas" theme, I will DESTROY them.
Hold the front door!! at 1:24 Did I just see Mac McAnally working on the new country bear music?!?
I actually like WDW's river better than DL's. DL's has way too much concrete and looks like some rich dude's back yard. I also like that the river has sounding boards.
Bambi The Ride: you get to be the hunter.
hey! are we reskinning Buzz Lightyears Space Ranger spin already?! lol
Love the bus designs. I wish they had the 50th buses but I guess it's too late for those to be die cast toys. Looking forward to more if they are reading this over in merch.
I sometimes feel that Iger is thinking that Frontierland is nothing but a legend, meaning pretty soon, no one will ever believe it even existed. I can imagine what he's gonna say soon:
"One day soon, everything about the old west in Frontierland is gonna fade into myth. There's just no place for it anymore! Look at us now! We are completely civilized. That's all the future holds. You can either be a part of it, or you can just be left behind."
Let me refresh your memory as to why the Toy Story thing never happened. You you and you
Figment parade pin has him in the current ride vehicle... Does that imply a new ride vehicle is coming?
Sad to see the bears go, in the sense it’ll be IP music instead of original country tunes. Glad I got to see it one last time on a trip with my family last summer , there was a group of college kids in the front all on vacation. Clearly none of knew what they were in for- the one on the ends face lights up, turns to his buddies grinning, clapping, stomping (at appropriate parts) even doing the phone flashlight bit (off but mimicking) absolutely lost it watching the kid but it’s a great memory, probably for him too lol.
I’m glad they get to stay in some capacity. Really hope big Al stays the same 1.) because it’s the best part 2.) because it’d be incredibly funny if he never changes his act
One can dream anyway
if disney decides to pave in the river to expand frontierland, i have an idea that could connect everything. Take the scenes and ideas from western river expedition and instead of it being a boat ride, you bring back the critter country 500 idea. this way you have the country bears as a prominent ip in the land, you have some type of western river expedition, it’s all still frontierland, and there’s not three boat rides back to back. they could really do something unique with this ride. i’m thinking something like gringotts but with the new donkey kong type of jumping over track. it wouldn’t be a full on coaster, but it would also be a nice classic feeling dark ride that that corner of the park could use! They could call it the Country Bears’ Western Expedition
by doing this, they get to reuse a lot of the new molds from the new country bears animatronics they’re building. if they build a western river expedition looking mountain facade then they can add a lot of winding trails and caverns so that the fans of toms sawyers island will be happy, and a modern MK attraction can have a both classic and fresh feel
I really hope they don’t touch Big Thunder. Disney has got me mad enough by closing Splash
im so glad the country bear musical jamboree has been greenlit
I want to see more of the wrapped buses as Die-cast
Turn Frontierland into bourbon street or another street from New Orleans
naw, they have EPCOT- most of the time World Showcase is the same as Bourbon street *snickers*
They can still perform the Christmas and Vacation Country Bear shows. It's just the main show that's changing. Hopefully, Pete Reneday returns as Henry 🤞
I hope they don't change Pecos bills. they've gotten rid of so many nods to those classic attractions and I like that we still have that
We have an animantronic in vegas called fall of Atlantis. I describe it as five nights at Fred dies meets country bear jamboree
feels like they start a lot of projects (close areas/attractions) at the same time and things drag on forever. Why not focus efforts on one thing at a time.
…….Just PLEASE build the Villains addition!!
They could be nice and give us a little more time to see it one last time.
i wanna see a villans theme land because i got some ideas like for example a villans theme resturant called house of villians where the villians interact with you and meet with fans and theirs a tv screen showing disney villians star wars villians and mcu villians greatest moments in history and a hocus pocus characters meet and greet as well
There’s been a Mexican themed section in Frontierland, Disneyland almost since the beginning. Coco 100% belongs in Frontierland.
Agree so much
With several Major E Ticket Attractions closed for much of 2024 I feel contributes to the reason for Disneyland releasing additional Magic Key sales today. As the Haunted Mansion is down for up to 7 months and Tiana’s Bayou Adventure’s questionable late 2024 opening, single and multi-day tickets are less desirable especially considering the cost/dynamic pricing.
No! Screw that!!!! I’ve been going since I was gestating in my mother’s womb! I’ve been coming since I can remember to see the original country bear jamboree!!
Any chance that they retheme BTM to a Scar/Lion King roller coaster?
They never said anything about that at D23 if you followed them!
@@jeanhealy3132 that’s right…. Everything they say at D23 comes true… forgot. My bad.
@@alexwallace5469 no hard feelings mate!
Does this mean we might get mud instead of blad on the saddle? We might have to bear with them in order to find out...
Let’s be real, Disney execs just show us some pretty concept art to keep us happy, like dogs chasing a bone hanging from a stick on our backs. None of their expansion ideas will come to fruition as long as they keep wasting hundreds of millions of dollars on their political agenda films and shows.
You had us there is the first half, I'm not gonna lie. 🙄
I'm not sure who has the more "political agenda," Disney or the trolls.
Love the Animal Kingdom shirt!
A woodys roundup live show would be badass
I'm not particularly upset by the loss of the original Country Bear Jamboree simply because it's been so cut down over time, especially since the new show was originally developed for Tokyo. They get all the good stuff! This has to be something great, right?
Tom did you get your Figment Exhibit popcorn bucket?
Comes out Friday