@@selektor2567I think you’re misunderstanding them: they’re saying Jiff Nippard with regards to his intelligence and scientific review of sports medicine from the pov of biomechanics, so when he discusses techniques he observes it through the lens of physiology, which makes him a positive influence on the fitness community.
Nice to see this side of Mike again. Most of his content lately has been a bit more on the comedy side, which is nice, but i lean toward the calm intellectualism.
@@user-ii7xc1ry3x unfortunately just more of an example of Mike posting videos about inflammatory subjects on purpose with little constructive input. I actively avoid that channel.
Dude. Dr Mike is my FAVORITE!! Anyone else notice that some of the most knowledgeable influences, coaches, scientists, and doctors are all featuring each other? Doing vids together all the time. They likewise slam the same bullshitters, which is the best part.
I'm kinda annoyed with Derek. He doesn't seem very careful about what he says. For instance, he once tried to dispute Huberman's suggestion that prolactin, not estrogen, is the primary driver of gyno. Derek did a piss poor job (imo) of disproving his point and it really made me question his credibility, judgment, and even motives. I've scratched my head over a few of his videos tbh.
I relate so much to the 'perfect squat' struggle. A year ago I reached my lifetime (so far) PR of 100kg squat, and my goal is 120kg squat (which is 2x my weight). Didn't worry so much about the minutia of technique other than "can I lift the weight" and "am I not injured". Now 1 year later I'm stuck to squatting 80kg for 5 reps, just because I was concerned about squat depth, bar path, stance, proper warm up, etc, which stops me from increasing my weights before I do it "perfectly". And that 80kg squat is challenging for me. I'm frustrated that I'm taking such a long time building back up to the 100kg PR I had, especially when I see how fast others progress. I still hope my work on my technique will pay off and will make me stronger than before. But yeah I think it's a good point to not stress about it too much (esp since I don't plan to compete in powerlifting).
Currently coming to (thanks to this video) the end of a 3 year stint of exactly what Eugene was struggling with. My squat strength plummeted after my search for "the perfect squat" began. This spectrum of analysis is indeed a tough one to navigate, and I'm glad you 2 were able to spend this much time investigating that. It both satisfied the curious side of myself, and also the "how tf do I get back to where I was" part.
15:50 to about 18:00 is some of the best life advice/perspective I’ve seen in such a concise few minutes. We humans chase the living shit out of the same handful of things and quite literally drive ourselves crazy over who has it and who does not have it. Sex is a huge instance of that for a ton of people.
Was plesently surprized by the fact that that is not only about musle, the title says, but also about plenty of other topics including just basic life stuff of not being harsh to others all the time.
Incredible podcast, dr.mikes perspective on balancing jiujitsu is so refreshing. Reducing ego on the mat, being willing to train at 50% to prioritize body health!!
8:20 a perfect example of full ROM being the god tier and then study’s now showing that long length partials are actually more beneficial for hypertrophy than full ROM. I would have argued blind that I was right to anyone saying otherwise. And I actually was wrong. Holding an opinion is exactly that, holding it, it’s not yours, your just holding onto the best you have until a better one comes along. Don’t marry yourself to your opinions because you never know when your holding on to the wrong one. 👊👌👌
The shit you said around the 13 min mark really resonated with me Mike! You're the best bro! I look at your experience and advice as another tool in my box. Keep killing it! This was a great pod.
The first two themes (first couple of dozens of minutes) and the experience and journeys relative to that were so close and relevant that this podcast was alreadh valuable by that, without even bothering the training topic
It’s crazy that I was thinking about who could’ve influenced Dr Mike, the way he spoke about the type of “intellectual” charismatic personalities that he looked up to, and I immediately thought about Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris. So it definitely caught me off guard to find that out from him directly but it’s honestly a good insight as to what kind of person Dr Mike is or was. I don’t mean to micro-analyze too much but it does explain so much about him.
Dr. Mike breaking my heart with his hate for the Turkish Get Up 😂 there are so many muscle groups engaged by the different stages of the movement - only the final stage is focused on shoulder stability
i was suffering in that analysis paralysis optimal training and it was stressfull. I eventually realized that exercise selection is minute and technique is where the gold is.
The main reason I'm not building muscle with Mike Israetel is because I'm not working out with him. In seriousness though, great content - thanks for this. You're both brilliant.
Greg Nuckols has a great guide on how to squat over on StrongerByScience, and it helped me move past "vertical bar path." Essentially, your butt has weight. If at the top, your hips are over your center of gravity, and at the bottom they've moved backwards 6 inches, then there's a moment arm. To stay balanced, something - the barbell - has to move forward. So if your butt weighs 45 pounds and moved back 6 inches, the empty barbell moves forward 6 inches. If the barbell weight 300 lbs though, then it only drifts an inch and looks vertical. He's got some pictures showing this. Might be a good idea for a video.
Also so true about balancing sports and lifting. Unfortunately when you have 2 goals at once your progress will just be slower because you can only ever give 100% max. I wanted to progress in climbing so I went hard going first for 1hr climbing sessions then 1.5hrs then 2hrs, while also doing my usual gym sessions. Next thing I knew I went away with a shoulder injury that resulted in 2mths of suboptimal lifting (and even now it occasionally acts up). Haven't gone to climb for 6mths now and been trying to continue gym :( Don't do what I do guys, know your limits!
I don’t climb, but I do like cardio and calisthenics and also like lifting heavy. I do blocks generally. I keep the cardio and calisthenics to spring and summer when I’m leaner and heavy training to fall and winter when I’m fluffier. You could try doing something more like that. Build mass in the cold months and express that new strength in the warm ones. You may down size slightly, but it comes back quick
After listening to a year of Mike this really helps round out a lot of concepts. Often his material has a few too many dirty jokes per short segment of wisdom. You were really able to drag more insights out of him in this interview.
arguably the two nicest people in this sh@ty indistry, and believe me, I LOVE this industry... It's just so full of scumbags, fake people etc... These two? So genuine, so nice, so good to hear them....
I agree with the form thing but when it comes to squats so many ppl putting 3-4 plates with meh legs and poor form. Going knees over toes at lighter weight juts gives so much better leg growth
I think this is just an example of personal opinion getting in the way of the actual benefits. In a void you could isolate all the movements involved and probably get more muscle tension, and subsequent hypertrophy. By that logic though, that would discount the reasoning behind doing compound movements altogether.
Thank you so much for this!You should maybe think about renaming the video like "why you're not building muscle" with Dr Israetel, because right now the title seems to imply that you don't build muscle with Dr Israetel, which couldn't be further from the truth 😁
That was such a great chat. So many questions i had myself egere answered with rrgards to different sports and budybuilding . And the change of positions in a movement if its reakly makes digference in growth . Often i think it doesnt but it makes an position more comfortable . Super bice guys having a chat .. thabks for this
That was courageous as a prominent influencer to say he admired Christopher Hitchens (I do too). There's some baggage that will come with that statement. I'd love to see Dr. Mike on a program with Sam Harris or another "four horseman"
Love this thank you guys!! Not only do you have a patient and wise demeanor about lifting but of life in general. Excited to see more of your content Eugene.
i would love to hear the question about his plans to get off PEDs. based on what he's said, he doesnt recommend being on them for the rest of his life, but it seems like a very relevant question when so much of the conversation is him talking about how he doesnt really want to grow his muscles anymore and they like get in his way and stuff
Dude this was an incredible podcast.
Didn’t think I’d see you here, it’s cool
yooo stay flexy guy
With these two there is hope for UA-cam fitness.
Don't forget Jeff Nippard!
@@earlofcockgobblingshire3666 Of course not. And a few others.
@@jockez3581 What's wrong with Jeff Nippard exactly?
@@selektor2567I think you’re misunderstanding them: they’re saying Jiff Nippard with regards to his intelligence and scientific review of sports medicine from the pov of biomechanics, so when he discusses techniques he observes it through the lens of physiology, which makes him a positive influence on the fitness community.
@@earlofcockgobblingshire3666 Jeff Nippard puts out some questionable content every once in awhile
No matter how many podcasts I listen with Mike, he always remains one of the most entertaining people. Super grateful we have him
I’m not building muscle with Mike Isratel because he won’t return my calls.
😂
😂😂😂
😂 What I love about this comment is that we all love Dr. Mike’s humor because it’s collectively our humor.
@VeniceGringo his humor is lame and corny... You can tell he was not one of the cool kids growing up
@@michaelm1573 says the guy with 276 subscribers. I’m sure you’re hilarious.
Eugene, how long have you been sitting on this?!?! WTF man. We miss you ❤
A long ass time.
mike with hair holy shit
He shows pics and talks about Charly so it's got to be a minute
@@Gargarkswhat happened with Charlie? Why don't they work out together anymore? Is it drama?! 😮
@Mr_SamuelAdam Dr Mike had to cook him up for protein for his last bodybuilding show
Nice to see this side of Mike again. Most of his content lately has been a bit more on the comedy side, which is nice, but i lean toward the calm intellectualism.
"But it all comes down to pussy at the end of the day" -Mike
Lots of that on his personal channel in case you haven't checked it
@@user-ii7xc1ry3x unfortunately just more of an example of Mike posting videos about inflammatory subjects on purpose with little constructive input. I actively avoid that channel.
@@Rave.- I actually kinda agree
@@Rave.- You call them inflammatory but what they really are is common sense and mature views on hot button topics.
I've seen a lot Mike Israetel lately and this was easily the interaction that brought out his most likeable aspects for me
Just came back to say Eugene's gym really does have the best lighting/colors in the business. This entire episode is just ZEN.
Wow, what an amazing interview. Love hearing Mike talk about humility.
Yes, he’s awesome, so logical and down to earth
Dude. Dr Mike is my FAVORITE!! Anyone else notice that some of the most knowledgeable influences, coaches, scientists, and doctors are all featuring each other? Doing vids together all the time. They likewise slam the same bullshitters, which is the best part.
That's called being in a bubble. Yes, it's no coincidence that people, who broadly agree, collaborate and that they all get recommended to you.
for someone who doesn't have a podcast (or not that I know of) the quality of this interview is incredible. Classic uncle eugene work
I would like more of these with these type of guests. I can already picture the future guests, Jeff Nippard, Derek mpmd, Davis Diley
I love how mpmd is used as a surname across the internet
I'm kinda annoyed with Derek. He doesn't seem very careful about what he says. For instance, he once tried to dispute Huberman's suggestion that prolactin, not estrogen, is the primary driver of gyno. Derek did a piss poor job (imo) of disproving his point and it really made me question his credibility, judgment, and even motives. I've scratched my head over a few of his videos tbh.
Bro, a lot of what Dr Mike says can be applied to life in general. This is pure gold
I relate so much to the 'perfect squat' struggle. A year ago I reached my lifetime (so far) PR of 100kg squat, and my goal is 120kg squat (which is 2x my weight). Didn't worry so much about the minutia of technique other than "can I lift the weight" and "am I not injured".
Now 1 year later I'm stuck to squatting 80kg for 5 reps, just because I was concerned about squat depth, bar path, stance, proper warm up, etc, which stops me from increasing my weights before I do it "perfectly". And that 80kg squat is challenging for me. I'm frustrated that I'm taking such a long time building back up to the 100kg PR I had, especially when I see how fast others progress. I still hope my work on my technique will pay off and will make me stronger than before. But yeah I think it's a good point to not stress about it too much (esp since I don't plan to compete in powerlifting).
Sounds like you would benefit from working in person with a good coach for a while
You must be a small woman if 100kg is a lifetime goal. Just Squat comfortably until ur eyes pop out
Just reduce squat depth and you will increase weights. Keep reducing depth for more PRs
Bro get over yourself lol
Ahahaha underrated comment@@MenacedAssassin
Currently coming to (thanks to this video) the end of a 3 year stint of exactly what Eugene was struggling with. My squat strength plummeted after my search for "the perfect squat" began. This spectrum of analysis is indeed a tough one to navigate, and I'm glad you 2 were able to spend this much time investigating that. It both satisfied the curious side of myself, and also the "how tf do I get back to where I was" part.
28:40-41:20 is GOLD. Such a great video!
15:50 to about 18:00 is some of the best life advice/perspective I’ve seen in such a concise few minutes. We humans chase the living shit out of the same handful of things and quite literally drive ourselves crazy over who has it and who does not have it. Sex is a huge instance of that for a ton of people.
Absolutely loved the collaboration and the video! Highly insightful and informative conversation. Totally outstanding. Thanks! 🙏
I loved this. Two current influences and great information on training. With good humor. That’s important
These two together = optimal growth
The short arm joke took me out too ahhah
Was plesently surprized by the fact that that is not only about musle, the title says, but also about plenty of other topics including just basic life stuff of not being harsh to others all the time.
DAMN!! FINALLY! I always wondered why there was a shorter video in a podcast format seeming to be like a piece taken out of a bigger whole.
Really loved this calm and thoughtful conversation.
So glad you said that “extra effort to learn and bring it back to everyone.” True and not rewarded often by our economic system.
Incredible podcast, dr.mikes perspective on balancing jiujitsu is so refreshing. Reducing ego on the mat, being willing to train at 50% to prioritize body health!!
HOLY SHIT FINALLY. I can rest. It has been released. Freed to us all.
8:20 a perfect example of full ROM being the god tier and then study’s now showing that long length partials are actually more beneficial for hypertrophy than full ROM. I would have argued blind that I was right to anyone saying otherwise. And I actually was wrong. Holding an opinion is exactly that, holding it, it’s not yours, your just holding onto the best you have until a better one comes along. Don’t marry yourself to your opinions because you never know when your holding on to the wrong one. 👊👌👌
General movement patterns is a much better way to consider exercises. I loved this discussion between 2 highly educated and thought out people.
The shit you said around the 13 min mark really resonated with me Mike! You're the best bro! I look at your experience and advice as another tool in my box. Keep killing it! This was a great pod.
The first two themes (first couple of dozens of minutes) and the experience and journeys relative to that were so close and relevant that this podcast was alreadh valuable by that, without even bothering the training topic
Didn't see this Collab coming, looking forward to listening to this tomorrow morning at work 😂
Dr. Mike pulling out a Thomas Sowell reference on a fitness podcast?? I am here for this!
Amazing conversation, amazing chemistry, you are both so funny and entertaining!
Shoutout to Thomas Sowell! The greatest living intellect at this moment in time.
It’s crazy that I was thinking about who could’ve influenced Dr Mike, the way he spoke about the type of “intellectual” charismatic personalities that he looked up to, and I immediately thought about Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris. So it definitely caught me off guard to find that out from him directly but it’s honestly a good insight as to what kind of person Dr Mike is or was. I don’t mean to micro-analyze too much but it does explain so much about him.
Been waiting on this over a year let’s goooo!
11:49 - genetics or how they grew up, or combination of that.... universal answer for any question regarding any person. =)
You had me at Hitchens and Sowell❤
Eugene said it perfectly at the beginning. Thats the reason i watch eugene and mikes content
Dr. Mike breaking my heart with his hate for the Turkish Get Up 😂 there are so many muscle groups engaged by the different stages of the movement - only the final stage is focused on shoulder stability
Did he even make recommendations what exercises to do instead??
I’ve always wondered why im not building muscle with Dr. Mike. Like, can’t we do this shit together?
i was suffering in that analysis paralysis optimal training and it was stressfull. I eventually realized that exercise selection is minute and technique is where the gold is.
“epistemic humility” hell yea
The editing on this is 🔥. Images and videos popping on along the conversation really helps!
Appreciate it!!
Mike is the man!! Happy this collab happened two great men
The main reason I'm not building muscle with Mike Israetel is because I'm not working out with him. In seriousness though, great content - thanks for this. You're both brilliant.
I really liked this conversation, it's very calm
Love seeing Dr. Mike here!
“I have a connection to the deep truth about the universe because I am actually god” Dr Mike never gets old 😂
Best insight on the jiujitsu balancing 🙌🏽 so much value
Been using the RP app for 3 weeks! Sweet AF I gotta say. Dr. Mike you are invaluable man ✌️Eugene, I love your work
Greg Nuckols has a great guide on how to squat over on StrongerByScience, and it helped me move past "vertical bar path." Essentially, your butt has weight. If at the top, your hips are over your center of gravity, and at the bottom they've moved backwards 6 inches, then there's a moment arm. To stay balanced, something - the barbell - has to move forward. So if your butt weighs 45 pounds and moved back 6 inches, the empty barbell moves forward 6 inches. If the barbell weight 300 lbs though, then it only drifts an inch and looks vertical. He's got some pictures showing this. Might be a good idea for a video.
Great conversation and insight.
Also so true about balancing sports and lifting. Unfortunately when you have 2 goals at once your progress will just be slower because you can only ever give 100% max. I wanted to progress in climbing so I went hard going first for 1hr climbing sessions then 1.5hrs then 2hrs, while also doing my usual gym sessions. Next thing I knew I went away with a shoulder injury that resulted in 2mths of suboptimal lifting (and even now it occasionally acts up). Haven't gone to climb for 6mths now and been trying to continue gym :( Don't do what I do guys, know your limits!
You probably can replace vertical pulling with climbing
I don’t climb, but I do like cardio and calisthenics and also like lifting heavy. I do blocks generally. I keep the cardio and calisthenics to spring and summer when I’m leaner and heavy training to fall and winter when I’m fluffier.
You could try doing something more like that. Build mass in the cold months and express that new strength in the warm ones. You may down size slightly, but it comes back quick
I've been eagerly awaiting this full video, thanks! 🎉
After listening to a year of Mike this really helps round out a lot of concepts. Often his material has a few too many dirty jokes per short segment of wisdom. You were really able to drag more insights out of him in this interview.
to many dirty jokes per segment of wisdom? impossible
Have you watched his advanced hypertrophy concepts and tools playlist? It's 20+ hours of in depth bodybuilding stuff
@@Bdavis2475 I'll look it up! Might have seen parts of it. Thanks
My two favorite UA-camrs. 💯
arguably the two nicest people in this sh@ty indistry, and believe me, I LOVE this industry... It's just so full of scumbags, fake people etc... These two? So genuine, so nice, so good to hear them....
Fantastic and really interesting!
these are my two favorite fitness people on youtube together!!!! wqoohoooo!
Ngl i would love building muscle with dr mike
great interview from 2 legends
Thank you for the video!
Outstanding questions Eugene
I agree with the form thing but when it comes to squats so many ppl putting 3-4 plates with meh legs and poor form. Going knees over toes at lighter weight juts gives so much better leg growth
Oh?! Lets go! Looking forward to this talk!
Gene Toes! And the champion of locker room humor Mike from Israel! Nice
Eating straight frosting is awesome, no contest prep needed.
This podcast is deeper than my squat.
Shampoo bottle is hilarious gonna have to try that out lol
Oh my goodness...dreams come true
Well what a super Duo we have here.
I can’t wait to see how Mike’s channel will change once he retired from bodybuilding.
I think this is just an example of personal opinion getting in the way of the actual benefits. In a void you could isolate all the movements involved and probably get more muscle tension, and subsequent hypertrophy. By that logic though, that would discount the reasoning behind doing compound movements altogether.
This is fucking brilliant guys. Thank you! It speaks to my personal experience.
He's underplaying how enlightened he is. A secret monk.
I remember you posting about this a collab a long time ago. I was looking forward to hear this conversation
Loved this!!!
The opportunity for a breaking bad reference when he’s talking about 90 to 99 percent would’ve been perfect
He nailed Hitchens perfectly.
Put nippard here. Top 3 science based lifters
Thank you so much for this!You should maybe think about renaming the video like "why you're not building muscle" with Dr Israetel, because right now the title seems to imply that you don't build muscle with Dr Israetel, which couldn't be further from the truth 😁
That was such a great chat. So many questions i had myself egere answered with rrgards to different sports and budybuilding . And the change of positions in a movement if its reakly makes digference in growth . Often i think it doesnt but it makes an position more comfortable . Super bice guys having a chat .. thabks for this
10:14 “if you’re gonna convince people that you’re correct, you should just be able to explain to them why something is true or not.” - dr Mike
As the great Mark Twain said “it ain’t the things you don’t know that get you but it’s the things you know for certain that just ain’t so”
Doctor mike is a GOAT.
Can't agree more with getting caught up with the perfect technique. I'm just getting out of that spell. Hopefully start getting some better results.
Thank you thank you thank you!
Great interview
Superb ,more please
From one dr to another U r God dr Mike 🫡
finally! thanks uncle Eugene
Great content
Ohhhhh man this is something I never saw coming
That was courageous as a prominent influencer to say he admired Christopher Hitchens (I do too). There's some baggage that will come with that statement. I'd love to see Dr. Mike on a program with Sam Harris or another "four horseman"
Love this thank you guys!! Not only do you have a patient and wise demeanor about lifting but of life in general. Excited to see more of your content Eugene.
Hi Eugene, can you speak more about the de-aging revolution done on animals of which Mike speaks about at 58:20?
i would love to hear the question about his plans to get off PEDs. based on what he's said, he doesnt recommend being on them for the rest of his life, but it seems like a very relevant question when so much of the conversation is him talking about how he doesnt really want to grow his muscles anymore and they like get in his way and stuff
Dr Mike is the goat but hitchens, sowell, and pinker is is a hilarious group of intellectual heros
grreat pod as predicted