We're cooked this season, which ends in 2025. I cant see the season that ends in 26-27 doing much but we will have to wait til the VERY late 20s to see it.
@@DragonmasterAlex You're probably correct. I moved from Detroit to Tampa Bay years ago. Yzerman get's much deserved credit, but plenty of the future core was already in place here. I hope that he can prove me wrong and show (what I want to believe) me that he's an exceptional GM. Ken Holland had an open checkbook. He took over the Oilers who have been already stacked. Kenny isn't the great GM that one might think. Remember for the majority of his career he had no cap and an open checkbook.
Unless they get rid of the entire scouting staff, the coach, and GM, this team will go nowhere. Steve has not been successful in the draft, and his signings of players like Copp, Compher, Motte, Petry, Gustuvson, have been a big reason for the failure. Add in complete flops in first round picks like Veleno (one goal) and Rasmussen, and you have a team locked into mediocre play and stuck in the bottom of the Atlantic
Yzerman has drafted decently, but his signings have been horrendous. Copp, Chariot, Holl, Compher, Husso, Gustafsson & trading for Petry are mind numbingly bad decisions.
Where the Wings need to improve as an organization is on there pro scouting side department. When Yzerman left Tampa, the Lightning gave their pro scouts all raises to make sure they wouldn't leave with Stevie. A lot of the most successful teams are good at finding quality NHL players that are in other teams AHL rosters or 3/4 liners that are a underperforming elsewhere that would be a better fit on your own team.
@@FreshFindsPod Walman is/was terrible! Why does everyone think he’s good? Advanced stats are bad, eye test is bad, healthy scatched by San Jose, rumored locker room cancer. Good riddance.
I wonder if it was something off the ice, I do remember after Kane's big goal in Chicago last season him pushing Wahlman away. After he was traded that was the image that came to mind
Anyone who thinks Detroit is even remotely capable of winning a playoff series is delusional. They don’t have what it takes to be competitive in the Atlantic.
"Yzerman's tenure could not have started any worst by selecting Moritz Seider at 6th overall" is this a joke ?? Drafting Seider is probably his best move so far lol
still pretty hard to comprehend - watching Quinn Hughes skate the puck out of his own end yesterday I was thinking about that - Imagine a defense with Quinn Hughes , Seider and Edvinnson! that would be a dynasty in the making
For me Yzermans biggest mistake was rushing the rebuild in terms of signing too many vets whos contracts this year are clogging the roster for rookies to show up. Sure the vets are probably better but they don't play good enough to not let the kids get real nhl experience. The youngsters in the AHL, SHL, WHL and KHL are all showing amazing progress. Look at Kasper and Berger this year coming in and in the last couple games lighting it up. I personally give Yzerman 2-3 more years of missing the playoffs if it results in a great young core. If we get lucky enough and get the chance at signing a superstar in the free market then even better. But I do see what Yzerman is building with his draft picks and I personally would like to keep waiting a bit to see what this youth movement can do at Detroit
I agree that the 2022 UFA frenzy was a bit of a misstep, but I do wonder how much of that was at the behest of owner Chris Illitch. If the rebuild ultimately fails, I think that the 2022 offseason was the pivotal point where things went wrong. That said, they have a pretty well-rounded prospect pool at just about every position, all they lack is a superstar, which is going to continue to be the biggest missing piece until it comes along. I think things will come together in the next two years, and it is then that I think a more complete analysis of Yzerman's tenure can be made.
@@europason2293 I wouldn't doubt it if Chris Illitch signed Yzerman hoping for a quick rebuild while not understanding the modern NHL landscape of full rebuilds taking a decade or in many cases not having an end in sight like Buffalo. Hopefully he can be patient with Yzerman for like you said 2 years when his plan can be properly praised or criticized based on the results.
Why you make those signings in the Bedard draft boggles my mind to this day. My real worry is that it seems the wings will have a championship caliber bottom 6 but really lack that elite talent in the top 6. Outside of ASP the wings really lack that potential game breaking X factor
@@DONWASABIJUAN I would say Buchelnikov is that X factor albeit nothing is guaranteed but he shown extreme promise as a future first line winger. but you are right in that no other forwards have that x factor yet. But if we're talking potential future top lines. Buchelnikov, Larkin, Raymond line, Debrincat, Kasper/Danielson, Bergeren. It doesn't sound the best in terms of raw talent but it would be a reliable top 2 lines if the youngsters develop well. Especially with Berger and Kaspers recent performances, I have high hopes for those 2. Albeit I have far more hope in our future D lines especially on the right side. Seider-Edvinsson, ASP-Wallinder, Tuomisto-Johansson/Buium. Not to mention the goalie tandem of Cossa and Augustine developing so well that the great Detroit goalie problems will seem like a thing of the past lol. Apologies for the rambling. That being said while our offensive lines future dont look as strong as others like Toronto, Edmonton, Colorado currently. It still looks to be reliable with a strong future D line and goalie tandem. But I could also just be coping in the most overthinking way possible lol.
I think red wing fans need to just take a deep breath. They want to make the playoffs yes, but most of yazer’s draft picks r all 22 and younger. Yes the 22’ UFA class may have “pushed” the rebuild but it makes sense. Hes trying to add vet talent that he can sell in the last years of the deals, insulate the young kids and have solid vets to surround the talent as it comes up. They may not be a playoff team but there building one. They have tons of young Europeans who look to be developing, solid vets who are movable and can get assets back, solid foundation blocks to build up from.
@@matthewthomas4427every single player has regressed after coming into lalondes system. It hasn’t worked the entirety of his tenure. He lost the room. They routinely get outshot and have the worst penalty kill despite having the same unit as last season. A different coach should be able to get more out of this team and at least get them energized
Far from it. Nobody is guaranteed to come in & be great. U should know this from Zadina, Svechnikov, Mrazek etc. those guys have to make the NHL then show they will be legitimate difference makers. And even if they are they lack depth & true star level talent. Long road before being anything more than a fringe playoff team.
@@alex__2265hos point is at that time Yzerman will have made enough picks that the rebuild SHOULD be over. But I think Yzerman has had more than enough time
@@alex__2265 Yeah - Yzerman has definitely done much better with his prospects than the prior 10 years or so . But still there is no guarantees at all when it comes to NHL players . What they need is to go back to the building of the dynasty years - they just kept drafting more and more - there were plenty that did not turn out as expected - there are some that they traded away - that were mistakes - Adam Oates is the one that comes to mind the most . They traded him right when he was coming into his own - Imagine - Centers - Yzerman, Federov, Oates and Draper - for a decade !! they could have had that easily but Devellano choked
@@alex__2265 "Nobody is guaranteed to come in & be great." The same can be said for every rebuilding team. Difference makers can be acquired via trades & signings as well, look at the Panthers & Golden Knights rosters.
@@alex__2265 Those players were all Len Holland and saw their progress stagger in their early 20s. These Yzerman picks are already preforming at a much better pace
State Champion Goaltender here and life long wings fan. I have faith in the rebuild. That being said, it will be hard to capture the magic the wings once had. Im 36 now and i still remember when i was 13 i went to see the wings play in nashville and we happened to be staying in the same hotel as them. I got to take the elivator and meet Scotty Bowman and walked to the rink with Chris Chelios, Sergai Federov, Chris Osgood and Steve Yzerman and talked hockey the whole way. They werent only magic on the ice they were magic off the ice to a young fan that idolized them. Ill remember that until the day I die.
The biggest issue with the Redwings is they should’ve started the rebuild way before 2017 those last 3 seasons from 2013-2016 when they got bounced in the first round of the playoffs was the writing on the wall they wasn’t true contenders anymore not good enough to win it all but not bad enough to tear down and start completely over,but since there a historic franchise with so much history especially within those last 25 years and a brand new arena they kept prolonging it
@@mr.devil9577definitely is it. Look at what Holland did those last few years. Traded picks and assets just to try to keep the team barley making the playoffs and then all of the picks he did make are like bottom 6 and fringe NHL talent other than Larkin. They should have started rebuilding after the Larkin draft (‘15) and we didn’t really have any good first round picks until Steve 4 years later (‘19) that’s 4 years wasted and missed out on great talent in those drafts
I can tell you where it all went wrong, it was them demolishing the Joe Louis arena either if it was an old building or not. Was a great building. And had Little Caesars of all places to have the name of the building. Rename the building to something else. Pizza isn't any good.
It's a tough one. I don't think the gap between Wings and Pens is that stark though. Both have fell to the temptation of hanging on for as long as possible. The Wings before they missed in 2017 weren't close to doing anything. They were just hanging onto their playoff streak for those last few years of it. The Pens are riding out the run of Crosby and will rebuild once he's done. Much like how the Wings didn't really start rebuilding until Datsyuk and Zetterberg retired. It's just a bit more awkward there since the Pens are just done being competitive while Crosby isn't about to retire. But they are getting there. The tough thing is that the parity the league wants means it's tough to make headway. A lot of teams are "ok" and punching into the top part of the division/conference is a struggle. Right now they are right in the mix of it. A few points back of the wild card spots, but a lot of teams in there with them.
Yzerman’s main issue is that Detroit is not a desirable location for free agents. He’s left with signing aging players, reclamation projects, or has to overpay. It’s tough to be in that spot.
Never watched your content before. I appreciate the summary of the rebuild and I think you laid everything out pretty fairly. Top notch editing and presentation style as well.
@@tor2886I just feel lucky I was alive to see my team win a bunch of championships, I'm a wings fan in Vancouver. My Dad loved the Canucks and never got to experience that, I've been spoiled as a life long wings fan. Sometimes you find gems, sometimes you pass one over. That's life
@@ront769 just need to fire lalonde, if you watch closely, he switches the forward lines right in the middle of the 1st period and the team can’t jell.
I think the biggest issues are being unwilling to fix mistakes, as well as an inflexible roster. Young guys can't properly graduate to the NHL because the Wings have too much money and term tied up in aging veterans. Goalie is about the ONLY position the Wings haven't logjammed themselves due to free agency, and for a team 6 years into a rebuild and that's a cap team, that's extremely scary. It seems like this team is trying to draft, develop, and compete all at the same time, but you can only really do 2 at the same time.
4:37 that never happened, Ken Holland wasn't "FIRED". He was promoted to President of hockey operations and was part of the process of hiring Steve Yzerman as the GM... After a while he got an offer from Edmonton to become their GM, so he CHOOSE to leave Detroit and working WITH Yzerman to instead getting an opportunity to chase another Cup in Edmonton, rather then going through a long and painful rebuild ahead, that he sure did not help them getting better positioned with, but still he was not "fired" doing so...
THe only gripe i have with the Yzerplan right now is his offseason moves. The Copp and Chiarot contracts were a bit of a shock at the time but i understood them since they were being paid to, at the time, be the 2c and #2 dman on the team but it's come with it's fair share of issues cap wise with the moves he made this and last offseason. The Walman Trade still baffles me and the Gustaffson signing this season is turning into a massive disaster. That being said, You hit the nail on the head, the prospects we have such as Danielson and Kasper plus guys like Mazur, Lombardi, Buium, Sandin-Pellikka, Buchelnikov, and Brandegg-Nygard are looking really good. Plus a goaltending pipeline on Cossa, Augustine & Gylander. He's also drafted a lot of potential post first round guys like Finnie, Anton Johansson, Savage, Liam Dower-Nilsson, and Soderblom. I;m excited for the future, but i would be lying if i didn;t say I'm not disappointed so far this season.
The biggest failing of the rebuild was Ken holland trying to keep the streak alive and not pulling the plug when datsyuk retired. People forget yzerman took over a disaster of a team in 2019 that had terrible contracts and that underwhelming 2018 draft. Since he took over every year they’ve gotten better and it’s hard to argue steves draft record.
There’s so much to disagree with here. Veleno has turned into a solid NHLer. You also fail to mention the division they’re in. They started their rebuild in the middle of the divisions other teams climbing to new heights. The Lightning, Bruins, Leafs and Panthers are all perennial contenders for the Cup (Boston’s window is clearly closing/closed). The Sabres, Senators and Habs all are also rebuilding at the same time. This doesn’t leave a lot of room for playoffs.
Rebuilds don't take 3or4 years, especially when u don't get a top 1-2 pick. I was shocked Yzerman went out & spent so much on middling, again free agents. Its stalled them significantly.
how did it stall them ? you are insinuating that those - "middling " free agents are keeping draftees from playing - and that is just not the case - in rare occasions - a drafted player makes the team ( Raymond) they did not expect that but he was better than what they had - so they kept him from being drafted . Most are in GR - and most are lucky to be succeeding there - it takes a few years at least - in most cases - especially if you are talking about 3-4th round picks - they are going to take a while . So -- tell us who is being cheated out of playing -with Detroit ? I guarantee you if they were playing well enough they would be there . Edvinsson they probably kept in GR last year when he could have been with Detroit - but the rest of the Defense is so bad - they probably didn't want him to get shell shocked - but he stepped in and has not missed a beat - that boy is a foundation piece .
@@pjpredhomme7699 they should've been picking top 10, maybe top 5 for another season or two to try and get another high end star. Instead adding a bunch of middling vets has pushed them higher in the standings to get picks from 10-15 which don't have elite potential. They also should've been a team using cap space to add young guys needing changes of scenery
We still have some good young prospects in the system, I still don’t feel this team is there yet, there is TOO MUCH expectation for them to get back into the playoffs, I hate how things are going this season but hopefully we get a high draft pick if this is how it is for this year, the people who just want this team in the playoffs no matter what asap aren’t being reasonable, now all of that aside, I do think lalonde is not the guy to lead this team anymore, I could be wrong but our scoring output is NOT where it should be, and I do blame lalonde for that.
The people questioning the progress of the rebuild learned everything they know about hockey from video games. You can’t take a team with one quality player in the entire organization (including minor leagues), total cap crunch, and zero premium assets and turn them into a playoff team in 5 years. You need to find 22 other guys who belong on a playoff roster, and a coach who can get them there. The fact that we’re as close as we are is miraculous.
This rebuild was always going to take long. Cleaning up Ken Hollands mess was a 5 year job no matter who was going to be GM. Holland traded away so many picks and assets prior to 2018, by 2019 the Wings had no elite level talent on the roster or any good draft picks as well. So the only way to rebuild from there is to do it gradually and slowly, thankfully when the next wave of prospects come up a lot of the bad deals they have on the team now will be done.
they have been increasing in point totals every season since hitting the bottom (intentionally). So what. he plugged some holes with vets who haven't lived up to expectations. They weren't going to win a cup this year anyway. I'm looking forward to trade deadline and free agency. hopefully guys who matter want to play here next year. You can't control who didn't want to sign here this past offseason.
The yzerplan stalled. Get rid of uncle fester as coach. Bring in proven vet coach. Make a deal for better depth. Wings have prospects/cap room to make move. And quit signing old vets and every um guy you can find yzerman because they suck. Of course not getting the lottery boost like nj, sj, and hawks got hurt the re-build. Imagine wings with q. hughes (thanks kenny) and j. hughes. wings lost in ot to van. blows/b's canned their coaches. Hopefully uncle fester is shown the door by end of month.
I think people think rebuilds are easier than they are. Ken Holland said that it would take 10 years to rebuild and that's what it's looking like it will be, especially when you whiff on early pics in the rebuild. Still this team is just a few pieces away from being good and they have most of them in the prospect pool, it's just on Stevie y to make a big trade or signing in free agency and a few years of prospect development. Just look at Florida a few years ago, all of a sudden they have tkachuk and they win a cup. It just takes time if you don't win a draft lottery, even if you do, look at Buffalo, they have had so many first overall picks and they still can't make it.
Detroit seemed to try to attempt multiple things at the same time: rebuild and compete simultaneously which oftens backfires and leads to mediocrity. They had some bad luck in terms of the draft lottery, but at the same time, as good as Seider and Raymond are, are they truly the cream of the crop in terms of elite talent? Time will tell. Just like most other teams in the NHL, they have so exciting prospects and you g players coming through the system. It seems Yzerman has his "guys" when it comes to drafting, sometimes you wonder whether that was truly the best upside pick (Kasper at #8 and Danielson at #9) relative to draft slot. I think Detroit probably has a B+ graded pool of young players and they've surrounded them with a C+ cast of veterans, many of whom are overpaid. I would have probably stuck the course with the young players instead of trading for the likes of Debrincat and signing Kane which raised the floor without raising the ceiling. It just seems this rebuild is bound to produce an average team at best
I’m a Leaf’s fan from Toronto. I couldn’t believe Yzerman signed Justin Holl to a multi year deal for 3.5 per. Now in Detroit he’s a healthy scratch on some nights.
Yeah I have watched a lot of leafs - and when he signed him I was like WTF - but gave Yzerman the benefit of the doubt - he was a healthy scratch about 30 times last year - and that is on one of the most brutal defenses you can see in the NHL
Nothing is clicking. I believe that Yzerman is wanting to build the team ground up with strictly drafting, and not through FA. It is brutal now, saying all of the vets have been BUSTS of epic proportions. We've also been unlucky with draft lottery sometimes. We knew when we dumped a lot of the goals from last year we would regress, but not like this. If we didn't have that insane run and all the fun last year, this would be same old situations.
Bad season, but Yzerplan is still going solidly. It's not always best just loose with young guys, get draft picks and then they never learn right ways. For playoff spot you need good team, Red Wings just isn't there this year. Now its time young stars to lead, some take roster spots from vets and many for develop young guys.
I am very lenient with Yzerman given how he has set up his contracts and prospect pipeline. Yet, his roster on or before opening night of the 26/27 season has to be a heavyweight lineup, or he will likely be gone. He has incredible roster flexibility in 26/27, especially with the cap going up. He has a lot of prospects thriving in the minor leagues. There's also a plethora of big name free agents coming up in the next few seasons. I'm hopeful this will happen, but that's my personal deadline. Anyone who continues to give Yzerman chances after that season opener in 26/27 if he fails to construct a monster roster either doesn't understand how big of a blunder that would be, or will never criticize him over anything.
I dont mind, they kicked the life outa the nhl for a long time lol. (My team included) Their fans needed to come back down to earth eventually. The red wings still had some of the best teams of this millenia. Theyll figure it out
The Yzerplan is two fold. First his draft lottery luck has been very unlucky in addition his FA hasn’t been great. However, if he is trying to sign the best FAs and they don’t want to come and support his young cast all he can do is go next in line. The issue with the Yzerplan is there been NO generational players that are instant fixes even in the draft. People need to shake this fantasy that there is a McDavid in every draft or free agency he choose Copp and Chariot instead. // The way I look at it is since his arrival the team point total went from 39pts to 91pts andSeider, Raymond, Edvinsson and a trending Kasper are starting to become part of the core. Cupboard absolutely full of potential prospects. Issue is getting a high end talented Star….. but why does everyone think they are just so readily available? It’s foolish to think he isn’t doing the best he can with what he has been given…. If no one sees or understands this, then they don’t understanding real life NHL rebuilds, they should stick with their PlayStation rebuilds.
We are still paying on Justin Abdelkader and will be for 1 more season. This is the legacy of was Yzerman took over. Fans want the current Wings team to be better than last year, but they also want to get rid of specific veterans to make way for the youth. The team is not good enough with the veterans, a youth movement will make them worse. I think they stepped on the gas a season too early. They need another decent dman to anchor the 2nd pair and some sort of center/forward star. Now with both goalies injured, feels like it's going to be a long season. Hoping Kasper, Edvinson, Berggren continue to improve and solidify themselves in the core of this team going forward. Playoffs, maybe next year.
The Wings may be bad right now. But at least the fans have seen 4 cup wins since 1967. Turanna has NEVER made it past the 3rd round. EVER. Think about that. What a bum organization.
Wings fan since '73, but I tuned them out years ago to watch real contenders (Lightning, Panthers, and Bruins). I keep coming back every year until I realize they're not worth investing the time. Call me when they're good again.
It’s time for a coaching change, but of course, Yzerman knows Lalonde from Tampa, giving him a way too long of a leash. We’re stuck in below average purgatory, because of Steve.
missing that one generational talent. That would be a huge game changer in salary cap NHL. He has a slew of stars, but no superstars like in Yzerman's own career.
@@icedo1013 brother the east is so fucking weak, the capitals made it in with 91 points. That would've put them behind St Louis last year (non-playoff team). Also how did that Washington team (better than last year's Detroit team) do in the playoffs? They got smashed in 4 games by a fraudulent rangers team lmfao
Yall realize that the rebuild didn't technically start till yzerman took over right? Holland didn't do nothing till his final year when he started adding draft picks and yzerman couldn't really do anything with the roster till Holland terrible contracts came off the books, yzermans biggest mistake was letting bertuzzi go and getting worthless coup for 5 years at 5.5 mil whose never score 20 goals in a season, it could be 15 in a season I know it was low
IMO the Wings are missing that "star player." A duo. Like in Tampa we had Stamkos and Kucherov. Chicago had Kane and Towes. Penguins had Crosby and Malkin. Wings don't have that.
Doubt it. That was Yzermans. Team. Especially for their 1st cup win. I’ll give Bresisbous credit with their second cup win. He made sone moves and shipped out some players due to cap issues. But still constructed a good enough roster to go back and win another cup and reach the finals again the next season
This is a very pessimistic take on the rebuild. Stevie Y had to offload bad contracts and rebuild from scratch. A lot of the poor start to the rebuild was the fact that Ken Holland tried to hold on two years too long to get the playoff streak to 25 years. Holland era bad contract after bad contract is what made screwed the team rebuild. I thought it likely that the team would regress based on who they let go and who they brought in. A lot of goal scoring went and LaLonde is preaching a stifling defensive system to compensate. I feel for LaLonde but I’m not convinced he’s the guy. As for Yzerman, I’d like some more prospects to make the team and then evaluate his job. Especially ASP, I’m really looking forward to that guy showing what he’s made of at the NHL level.
Steve is addicted to signing bad contracts. Chiarot, Petry, Copp, Compher, Holl, etc. It’s embarrassing that a team so cap strapped is this bad. We have yet to see the Red Wings do anything meaningful in the salary cap era of NHL. Great, there’s talent in the farm system, too bad we won’t see the fruits of that for another couple years probably. Coaching and GM changes are needed, we’re coming up on almost a decade now of the Wings not making the playoffs, it’s just shameful for this once proud franchise.
Four big problems as I see it. 1) Pro scouting and player evaluation is abysmal and has caused the team to overvalue bad players and undervalue good ones. Chiarot / Petry are the worst second pair in the NHL and Gus is terrible, while Walman and Ghost are dominating elsewhere. Maatta is playing solid matchup minutes now with Utah. Bad asset management. 2) Amateur scouting hasn’t produced any big hits in rounds 2-7 of the draft. 3) The draft lottery has burned the Wings badly. Instead of getting elite/generational players, they’re getting solid core/complementary pieces. It takes superstars to win. Detroit has none. 4) Coaching is not extracting good value from the roster. I think it’s a coin toss at best as to whether or not this becomes a Buffalo-style double dip rebuild. Very easy to imagine the team stuck in an indefinite funk.
Penguins have won three cups in the past 15 years..... what's Detroit done? Nothing since the salary cap went into effect. Great players seldom make great GMS or coaches. Usually the best coaches are guys that played third and fourth line.
@ they don’t push the needle to win a cup there is a reason both Talbot and Lyons were let go by both their former clubs, their 1 b goalies that’s it, slightly better James Reimers
You spin the drafting of Seider as a disappointment, because it was so unexpected. But drafting Seider was a clear success, as measured by his subsequent NHL success. The fact that Yzerman went so far out of expectations to make such a great pick is even more to his credit. Conversely, with Zadina (a pre-Yzerman pick), you don't mention how excited everyone was as he was drafted. Many of us thought that we had won the lottery, getting at #6 a player projected to go in the top three. But you just called that pick a failure, because he never did live up to the hype. That is the correct way to present it this far after the fact: it's not about the expectations on draft day, but instead about his success (or lack thereof) in the NHL years later. Why didn't you portray the Seider pick the same way?
Wouldn’t call it a never ending…. This is what happens when a team is pretty good for 20 years straight.. and making the playoffs for 20 plus years. Rebuilds suck. Especially whenever you gotta do em the right way, throw on Detroit having terrible luck in the draft for a year or 2. Rebuild should be done by the 2026 season, then they should be consistently making Playoffs. Whether they will be a cup contending team? I’m not sure. Steve will have to construct a team through Freee agency and develop players through the draft because the team don’t have that super star unfortunately.. but… luckily todays NHL .. you should be able to contend for a cup without a couple superstars on the roster
My opinion is it does not look good. It's one thing if they were doing really well and still losing, but they're not doing well at all and it seems like every win is luck.
I hate all the 'Yzerplan' talk. Makes it sound like there's some kind of defined long-term plan that we're following and it just isn't working out. Stevie Y is just a dude trying to field a winning team while restocking the absolutely barren cupboards he showed up to. We don't even have a major talent problem, we have an effort problem. Lalonde absolutely stinks and nearly everyone on this roster is playing down.
If you had told me in Yzerman’s sixth year they would be one of the worst teams in hockey and the coach was rumored to be fired after every game I would’ve said you can keep him.
Yzerman is not close to the best all time. Gretzky, Lemieux, Jagr, Coffey, Lidstrom, Roy, Messier, Hasek all better than Yzerman and played at the same time. Not to mention others like Howe, Orr, Crosby, McDavid.
Yeah just 7th all time in points while also transitioning into a Selke trophy winning beast defensively that blocked shots and won faceoffs, 3 cups(one with no cartlidge in one knee while still leading an completely loaded team in playoff scoring), Conn Smyth and an Olympic Gold medal? Right, nothing to see here
@@jfkst1 who suggested he was the best of all time ? that is absurd - but he certainly is a first ballot hall of famer - his career stands on its own - not bad for the guy they took because they couldn't get Pat Lafontaine the pick before him .
@@jfkst1 I did not say he was the best, you said he isn't close, I disagree with both those statements. He's among the group you mentioned except Wayne, who is obviously the best.
This claim of "rebuilding" needs to go after a few years. Max you have 3 years to be shit and get new prospects before you gotta admit you signed people who aren't producing and you goofed. This once amazing org that has the most stanleys in all of the US is now racing for a spot at the bottom, and I can only point to how their systems are implemented at this point. Defensive players will rarely ever make a shot, let alone score. The D plays this perpetual "Stay 3 feet apart and don't you dare stick check to get the puck back" is something I've never seen work to their favor and tends to get them crazy shots against. The offense is really lacking other than Raymond, Larkin, and sometimes Kane. Once the top line is off the ice, there's nothin. No one on any of the other 3 lines really brings much to the table at this point, and Kasper/Berg are only showing signs here and there of being hopeful future stars. They gotta get WAY more consistent. People like Justin Holl are a massive joke to watch in games. They look like oversized buffoons who should have played football or at least stayed in the AHL at best.
Specifically list who Steve should have signed. Layout the $ amount and term of contract. Make sure to keep it below the cap. Also. Players need to want to come here to play. You can’t just sign all of the free agents. Should they have signed Stamford and Marchessault and be dead last like Nashville?
I have the greatest respect for GM Steve Yzerman. The man is on/off the ice a solid leader and knows how to build teams. However, the PROBLEM is that the Red Wings are just unable to aquire great building material here. Not signing great free-agents, not having anything in there farm team(s) that will become very special and not gedtting high draft picks and lose out on the best regarded picks - and there scouts, that once was very good at finding hidden gems in the past finds mostly common material that is just basic = No Zetterberg or Datsyuk so to speak.
There are no zetterberg/datsyuks because scouts for all 32 teams know how to scout foreign talent. The Red Wings of the 90's broke the mold by drafting guys like Lidstrom and Fedorov and Datsyuk because nobody knew what kind of talent was out there, and in fact assumed it was lesser by default. The Wings and maybe a couple other teams had the inside scoop and used it to their advantage; that advantage doesn't exist anymore. As for their farm team I would have to adamantly disagree with you. ASP, Danielsson, Cossa/Augustine are all stellar prospects poised to see NHL time within the next year or two, not to mention Kasper and Johansson and Berggren finally seeing a roster spot and showing great promise already. Wait until these interim contracts (read: Husso, Copp, Chairot, etc) start dropping off and see how quickly this team starts to look good again supporting Seider/Edvinsson/Raymond/Larkin in or about their prime.
You are not going to sign great free agents . In the salary cap era - when teams get really good players - they lock them up for as long as they can - coming off their entry level deals - so signing free agents - to fill out your team is not going to be successful . You can find the odd guy - who is undervalued and you can use in a way that better suits his abilities - but that is about all you can expect from free agency . Yzerman has attempted to sign guys that he wanted to play up - and it has failed miserably . For instance - Andrew Copp is a 3rd line center - he signed him to a salary and term like he was a good 2nd line center - and he has not delivered anywhere near that level . Same with Ben Chiarrot - he was paid like a top 4 defenseman - and he can not play like that - never has . Maybe he thought he could coax better production out of them - i am sure he did - but that has not happened . These players were signed as a stop gap - and I think Yzerman believes it is good to have competition within the team for roster spots - so that is why he signed some of these journeyman is what they are . they are just guys . problem is - the fans had much higher expectations
Wrong vets to many selfish players on this team and that dude that wears the C clearly is no leader they suck in transition and on defence goaltending is sus as well
Brisebois must have been the real reason the Bolts were successful. The Yzerplan has the blades coming off the skate, and the team is dragging itself to the bench. I hear Cossa is doing really well, though, but the Danielson pick was not too smart.
So dumb - that team was already loaded before he hired Brisebois . If anyone deserves credit besides Yzerman - it is Al Murray - who did all the scouting - and found guys like Kucherov - Vasil etc where no one else did . He actually got demoted last year by Tampa - I was hoping Yzerman would poach him away but so far nope .
@pjpredhomme7699 Oh, I thought that Bris had been around for longer. My apologies. I just wanted to say that whomever was beneath him/advising him in Tampa should get credit. I guess Al Murray then.
What’s a REALISTIC prediction for when this team is in the playoffs?
We're cooked this season, which ends in 2025. I cant see the season that ends in 26-27 doing much but we will have to wait til the VERY late 20s to see it.
@@DragonmasterAlex You're probably correct. I moved from Detroit to Tampa Bay years ago. Yzerman get's much deserved credit, but plenty of the future core was already in place here. I hope that he can prove me wrong and show (what I want to believe) me that he's an exceptional GM. Ken Holland had an open checkbook. He took over the Oilers who have been already stacked. Kenny isn't the great GM that one might think. Remember for the majority of his career he had no cap and an open checkbook.
2030s
Unless they get rid of the entire scouting staff, the coach, and GM, this team will go nowhere. Steve has not been successful in the draft, and his signings of players like Copp, Compher, Motte, Petry, Gustuvson, have been a big reason for the failure. Add in complete flops in first round picks like Veleno (one goal) and Rasmussen, and you have a team locked into mediocre play and stuck in the bottom of the Atlantic
2025-2026
Yzerman has drafted decently, but his signings have been horrendous. Copp, Chariot, Holl, Compher, Husso, Gustafsson & trading for Petry are mind numbingly bad decisions.
Yup. I don’t think he’s the hockey mind every Wings fan wants him to be. Homer syndrome is real. I’m so tired of this.
Where the Wings need to improve as an organization is on there pro scouting side department. When Yzerman left Tampa, the Lightning gave their pro scouts all raises to make sure they wouldn't leave with Stevie. A lot of the most successful teams are good at finding quality NHL players that are in other teams AHL rosters or 3/4 liners that are a underperforming elsewhere that would be a better fit on your own team.
Only getting "future considerations" for one of their best D-men and a just flat out entertaining player to boot, really was insane
@ rumor is it was because Yzerman didn’t like “the gritty” dance. He thought it was obnoxious. That’s what an egomaniac Steve is if it’s true.
@@FreshFindsPod Walman is/was terrible! Why does everyone think he’s good? Advanced stats are bad, eye test is bad, healthy scatched by San Jose, rumored locker room cancer. Good riddance.
Well the walman “trade” was absolutely awful
Loving him with my sharks
That one still pisses me off
He was bad at defense tho. Gustafsson SUPPOSED to be his alternative. He'll get it soon
I wonder if it was something off the ice, I do remember after Kane's big goal in Chicago last season him pushing Wahlman away. After he was traded that was the image that came to mind
@@elmarnigmatullin4490Gustafsson isn't good defensively, so I'm not sure how he's a replacement on Walman
Anyone who thinks Detroit is even remotely capable of winning a playoff series is delusional. They don’t have what it takes to be competitive in the Atlantic.
Totally
"Yzerman's tenure could not have started any worst by selecting Moritz Seider at 6th overall" is this a joke ?? Drafting Seider is probably his best move so far lol
Obviously it’s a great pick but at the time many people were questioning him
I think he was more so sayin at the time so many thought it was bad, including many Wings fans (go look at replies, tweets lol)
@@HecticHockeyyou lost credibility with that comment. That draft is redone then Seider may go 2nd maybe even first in that draft.
Id like to take a moment to thank the red wings for not drafting quinn hughes
I am glad Yzerman isn't tattooed with that scarlet letter
Right lol good thing we got zadina instead
still pretty hard to comprehend - watching Quinn Hughes skate the puck out of his own end yesterday I was thinking about that - Imagine a defense with Quinn Hughes , Seider and Edvinnson! that would be a dynasty in the making
@@Anonymous-lg5jg No use crying about it now, that's how it goes. Sometimes you get Owen Nolan sometimes you get Jaromir Jagr
That one still hurts. My god. Swing and a miss.
For me Yzermans biggest mistake was rushing the rebuild in terms of signing too many vets whos contracts this year are clogging the roster for rookies to show up. Sure the vets are probably better but they don't play good enough to not let the kids get real nhl experience. The youngsters in the AHL, SHL, WHL and KHL are all showing amazing progress. Look at Kasper and Berger this year coming in and in the last couple games lighting it up. I personally give Yzerman 2-3 more years of missing the playoffs if it results in a great young core. If we get lucky enough and get the chance at signing a superstar in the free market then even better. But I do see what Yzerman is building with his draft picks and I personally would like to keep waiting a bit to see what this youth movement can do at Detroit
I agree that the 2022 UFA frenzy was a bit of a misstep, but I do wonder how much of that was at the behest of owner Chris Illitch. If the rebuild ultimately fails, I think that the 2022 offseason was the pivotal point where things went wrong. That said, they have a pretty well-rounded prospect pool at just about every position, all they lack is a superstar, which is going to continue to be the biggest missing piece until it comes along. I think things will come together in the next two years, and it is then that I think a more complete analysis of Yzerman's tenure can be made.
@@europason2293 I wouldn't doubt it if Chris Illitch signed Yzerman hoping for a quick rebuild while not understanding the modern NHL landscape of full rebuilds taking a decade or in many cases not having an end in sight like Buffalo. Hopefully he can be patient with Yzerman for like you said 2 years when his plan can be properly praised or criticized based on the results.
Why you make those signings in the Bedard draft boggles my mind to this day. My real worry is that it seems the wings will have a championship caliber bottom 6 but really lack that elite talent in the top 6. Outside of ASP the wings really lack that potential game breaking X factor
@@DONWASABIJUAN I would say Buchelnikov is that X factor albeit nothing is guaranteed but he shown extreme promise as a future first line winger. but you are right in that no other forwards have that x factor yet. But if we're talking potential future top lines. Buchelnikov, Larkin, Raymond line, Debrincat, Kasper/Danielson, Bergeren. It doesn't sound the best in terms of raw talent but it would be a reliable top 2 lines if the youngsters develop well. Especially with Berger and Kaspers recent performances, I have high hopes for those 2. Albeit I have far more hope in our future D lines especially on the right side. Seider-Edvinsson, ASP-Wallinder, Tuomisto-Johansson/Buium. Not to mention the goalie tandem of Cossa and Augustine developing so well that the great Detroit goalie problems will seem like a thing of the past lol.
Apologies for the rambling. That being said while our offensive lines future dont look as strong as others like Toronto, Edmonton, Colorado currently. It still looks to be reliable with a strong future D line and goalie tandem.
But I could also just be coping in the most overthinking way possible lol.
Agree with some players in the minors and Europe, but NHL is light years ahead of juniors.
I think red wing fans need to just take a deep breath. They want to make the playoffs yes, but most of yazer’s draft picks r all 22 and younger. Yes the 22’ UFA class may have “pushed” the rebuild but it makes sense. Hes trying to add vet talent that he can sell in the last years of the deals, insulate the young kids and have solid vets to surround the talent as it comes up. They may not be a playoff team but there building one. They have tons of young Europeans who look to be developing, solid vets who are movable and can get assets back, solid foundation blocks to build up from.
I think a coaching change needs to happen.
Why? What would that solve? This roster is simply not strong enough.
@@matthewthomas4427every single player has regressed after coming into lalondes system. It hasn’t worked the entirety of his tenure. He lost the room. They routinely get outshot and have the worst penalty kill despite having the same unit as last season. A different coach should be able to get more out of this team and at least get them energized
The rebuild is “over” when Cossa, Augustine, ASP, MBN, Buchnelikov, and Danielson are on the roster.
Far from it. Nobody is guaranteed to come in & be great. U should know this from Zadina, Svechnikov, Mrazek etc. those guys have to make the NHL then show they will be legitimate difference makers. And even if they are they lack depth & true star level talent. Long road before being anything more than a fringe playoff team.
@@alex__2265hos point is at that time Yzerman will have made enough picks that the rebuild SHOULD be over.
But I think Yzerman has had more than enough time
@@alex__2265 Yeah - Yzerman has definitely done much better with his prospects than the prior 10 years or so . But still there is no guarantees at all when it comes to NHL players . What they need is to go back to the building of the dynasty years - they just kept drafting more and more - there were plenty that did not turn out as expected - there are some that they traded away - that were mistakes - Adam Oates is the one that comes to mind the most . They traded him right when he was coming into his own - Imagine - Centers - Yzerman, Federov, Oates and Draper - for a decade !! they could have had that easily but Devellano choked
@@alex__2265 "Nobody is guaranteed to come in & be great." The same can be said for every rebuilding team. Difference makers can be acquired via trades & signings as well, look at the Panthers & Golden Knights rosters.
@@alex__2265 Those players were all Len Holland and saw their progress stagger in their early 20s. These Yzerman picks are already preforming at a much better pace
State Champion Goaltender here and life long wings fan. I have faith in the rebuild. That being said, it will be hard to capture the magic the wings once had. Im 36 now and i still remember when i was 13 i went to see the wings play in nashville and we happened to be staying in the same hotel as them. I got to take the elivator and meet Scotty Bowman and walked to the rink with Chris Chelios, Sergai Federov, Chris Osgood and Steve Yzerman and talked hockey the whole way. They werent only magic on the ice they were magic off the ice to a young fan that idolized them. Ill remember that until the day I die.
That’s awesome
If u just showed Yzerman's FA signings you'd guess some of the worst GMs signed those deals.
The biggest issue with the Redwings is they should’ve started the rebuild way before 2017 those last 3 seasons from 2013-2016 when they got bounced in the first round of the playoffs was the writing on the wall they wasn’t true contenders anymore not good enough to win it all but not bad enough to tear down and start completely over,but since there a historic franchise with so much history especially within those last 25 years and a brand new arena they kept prolonging it
That's definitely not it that was almost a decade ago come on now
@@mr.devil9577definitely is it. Look at what Holland did those last few years. Traded picks and assets just to try to keep the team barley making the playoffs and then all of the picks he did make are like bottom 6 and fringe NHL talent other than Larkin. They should have started rebuilding after the Larkin draft (‘15) and we didn’t really have any good first round picks until Steve 4 years later (‘19) that’s 4 years wasted and missed out on great talent in those drafts
I can tell you where it all went wrong, it was them demolishing the Joe Louis arena either if it was an old building or not. Was a great building. And had Little Caesars of all places to have the name of the building. Rename the building to something else. Pizza isn't any good.
the joe was great but its no olympia
It's a tough one. I don't think the gap between Wings and Pens is that stark though. Both have fell to the temptation of hanging on for as long as possible. The Wings before they missed in 2017 weren't close to doing anything. They were just hanging onto their playoff streak for those last few years of it. The Pens are riding out the run of Crosby and will rebuild once he's done. Much like how the Wings didn't really start rebuilding until Datsyuk and Zetterberg retired. It's just a bit more awkward there since the Pens are just done being competitive while Crosby isn't about to retire.
But they are getting there. The tough thing is that the parity the league wants means it's tough to make headway. A lot of teams are "ok" and punching into the top part of the division/conference is a struggle. Right now they are right in the mix of it. A few points back of the wild card spots, but a lot of teams in there with them.
As an OG6 team, the Wings are a team that should be in the playoffs. It’s sad to see them barely missing
Yzerman’s main issue is that Detroit is not a desirable location for free agents. He’s left with signing aging players, reclamation projects, or has to overpay. It’s tough to be in that spot.
Such a contrast from their glory 90s/2000s days when FAs would take pay cuts to play there
After the lions win the superbowl, can we get Dan Campbell behind the bench for the rest of the season? Like a Ted Lasso kind of situation…
Never watched your content before. I appreciate the summary of the rebuild and I think you laid everything out pretty fairly. Top notch editing and presentation style as well.
Thank you!
Could've touched on Lalonde though.
I was at the Vancouver game today 😔
I watched the game on T.V. How did they look to you?
Does it hurt everytime you see Hughes?
My cats breath smells like cat food
@@tor2886I just feel lucky I was alive to see my team win a bunch of championships, I'm a wings fan in Vancouver. My Dad loved the Canucks and never got to experience that, I've been spoiled as a life long wings fan. Sometimes you find gems, sometimes you pass one over. That's life
@@ront769 just need to fire lalonde, if you watch closely, he switches the forward lines right in the middle of the 1st period and the team can’t jell.
I think the biggest issues are being unwilling to fix mistakes, as well as an inflexible roster. Young guys can't properly graduate to the NHL because the Wings have too much money and term tied up in aging veterans.
Goalie is about the ONLY position the Wings haven't logjammed themselves due to free agency, and for a team 6 years into a rebuild and that's a cap team, that's extremely scary.
It seems like this team is trying to draft, develop, and compete all at the same time, but you can only really do 2 at the same time.
Funny enough they sorta did by having Husso, Lyon, Talbot & Campbell all signed + Cossa developing. Husso contract has been awful.
4:37 that never happened, Ken Holland wasn't "FIRED". He was promoted to President of hockey operations and was part of the process of hiring Steve Yzerman as the GM... After a while he got an offer from Edmonton to become their GM, so he CHOOSE to leave Detroit and working WITH Yzerman to instead getting an opportunity to chase another Cup in Edmonton, rather then going through a long and painful rebuild ahead, that he sure did not help them getting better positioned with, but still he was not "fired" doing so...
THe only gripe i have with the Yzerplan right now is his offseason moves. The Copp and Chiarot contracts were a bit of a shock at the time but i understood them since they were being paid to, at the time, be the 2c and #2 dman on the team but it's come with it's fair share of issues cap wise with the moves he made this and last offseason. The Walman Trade still baffles me and the Gustaffson signing this season is turning into a massive disaster. That being said, You hit the nail on the head, the prospects we have such as Danielson and Kasper plus guys like Mazur, Lombardi, Buium, Sandin-Pellikka, Buchelnikov, and Brandegg-Nygard are looking really good. Plus a goaltending pipeline on Cossa, Augustine & Gylander. He's also drafted a lot of potential post first round guys like Finnie, Anton Johansson, Savage, Liam Dower-Nilsson, and Soderblom.
I;m excited for the future, but i would be lying if i didn;t say I'm not disappointed so far this season.
The biggest failing of the rebuild was Ken holland trying to keep the streak alive and not pulling the plug when datsyuk retired. People forget yzerman took over a disaster of a team in 2019 that had terrible contracts and that underwhelming 2018 draft. Since he took over every year they’ve gotten better and it’s hard to argue steves draft record.
There’s so much to disagree with here. Veleno has turned into a solid NHLer. You also fail to mention the division they’re in. They started their rebuild in the middle of the divisions other teams climbing to new heights. The Lightning, Bruins, Leafs and Panthers are all perennial contenders for the Cup (Boston’s window is clearly closing/closed). The Sabres, Senators and Habs all are also rebuilding at the same time. This doesn’t leave a lot of room for playoffs.
I mentioned many times the Atlantic is strong
Rebuilds don't take 3or4 years, especially when u don't get a top 1-2 pick. I was shocked Yzerman went out & spent so much on middling, again free agents. Its stalled them significantly.
how did it stall them ? you are insinuating that those - "middling " free agents are keeping draftees from playing - and that is just not the case - in rare occasions - a drafted player makes the team ( Raymond) they did not expect that but he was better than what they had - so they kept him from being drafted . Most are in GR - and most are lucky to be succeeding there - it takes a few years at least - in most cases - especially if you are talking about 3-4th round picks - they are going to take a while . So -- tell us who is being cheated out of playing -with Detroit ? I guarantee you if they were playing well enough they would be there . Edvinsson they probably kept in GR last year when he could have been with Detroit - but the rest of the Defense is so bad - they probably didn't want him to get shell shocked - but he stepped in and has not missed a beat - that boy is a foundation piece .
@@pjpredhomme7699 they should've been picking top 10, maybe top 5 for another season or two to try and get another high end star. Instead adding a bunch of middling vets has pushed them higher in the standings to get picks from 10-15 which don't have elite potential. They also should've been a team using cap space to add young guys needing changes of scenery
We still have some good young prospects in the system, I still don’t feel this team is there yet, there is TOO MUCH expectation for them to get back into the playoffs, I hate how things are going this season but hopefully we get a high draft pick if this is how it is for this year, the people who just want this team in the playoffs no matter what asap aren’t being reasonable, now all of that aside, I do think lalonde is not the guy to lead this team anymore, I could be wrong but our scoring output is NOT where it should be, and I do blame lalonde for that.
The people questioning the progress of the rebuild learned everything they know about hockey from video games. You can’t take a team with one quality player in the entire organization (including minor leagues), total cap crunch, and zero premium assets and turn them into a playoff team in 5 years. You need to find 22 other guys who belong on a playoff roster, and a coach who can get them there. The fact that we’re as close as we are is miraculous.
They need to add a significant amount to be anything more than a bubble team. They've gotten elite goaltending this yr & they are still bad.
This rebuild was always going to take long. Cleaning up Ken Hollands mess was a 5 year job no matter who was going to be GM. Holland traded away so many picks and assets prior to 2018, by 2019 the Wings had no elite level talent on the roster or any good draft picks as well. So the only way to rebuild from there is to do it gradually and slowly, thankfully when the next wave of prospects come up a lot of the bad deals they have on the team now will be done.
Seider literally won the Calder lol
As I mentioned
they have been increasing in point totals every season since hitting the bottom (intentionally). So what. he plugged some holes with vets who haven't lived up to expectations. They weren't going to win a cup this year anyway. I'm looking forward to trade deadline and free agency. hopefully guys who matter want to play here next year. You can't control who didn't want to sign here this past offseason.
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The yzerplan stalled. Get rid of uncle fester as coach. Bring in proven vet coach. Make a deal for better depth. Wings have prospects/cap room to make move. And quit signing old vets and every um guy you can find yzerman because they suck. Of course not getting the lottery boost like nj, sj, and hawks got hurt the re-build. Imagine wings with q. hughes (thanks kenny) and j. hughes. wings lost in ot to van. blows/b's canned their coaches. Hopefully uncle fester is shown the door by end of month.
I think people think rebuilds are easier than they are. Ken Holland said that it would take 10 years to rebuild and that's what it's looking like it will be, especially when you whiff on early pics in the rebuild. Still this team is just a few pieces away from being good and they have most of them in the prospect pool, it's just on Stevie y to make a big trade or signing in free agency and a few years of prospect development. Just look at Florida a few years ago, all of a sudden they have tkachuk and they win a cup. It just takes time if you don't win a draft lottery, even if you do, look at Buffalo, they have had so many first overall picks and they still can't make it.
Detroit seemed to try to attempt multiple things at the same time: rebuild and compete simultaneously which oftens backfires and leads to mediocrity. They had some bad luck in terms of the draft lottery, but at the same time, as good as Seider and Raymond are, are they truly the cream of the crop in terms of elite talent? Time will tell. Just like most other teams in the NHL, they have so exciting prospects and you g players coming through the system. It seems Yzerman has his "guys" when it comes to drafting, sometimes you wonder whether that was truly the best upside pick (Kasper at #8 and Danielson at #9) relative to draft slot. I think Detroit probably has a B+ graded pool of young players and they've surrounded them with a C+ cast of veterans, many of whom are overpaid. I would have probably stuck the course with the young players instead of trading for the likes of Debrincat and signing Kane which raised the floor without raising the ceiling. It just seems this rebuild is bound to produce an average team at best
Really well said. Agree with every point.
I’m a Leaf’s fan from Toronto. I couldn’t believe Yzerman signed Justin Holl to a multi year deal for 3.5 per. Now in Detroit he’s a healthy scratch on some nights.
Yeah I have watched a lot of leafs - and when he signed him I was like WTF - but gave Yzerman the benefit of the doubt - he was a healthy scratch about 30 times last year - and that is on one of the most brutal defenses you can see in the NHL
Nothing is clicking. I believe that Yzerman is wanting to build the team ground up with strictly drafting, and not through FA. It is brutal now, saying all of the vets have been BUSTS of epic proportions. We've also been unlucky with draft lottery sometimes. We knew when we dumped a lot of the goals from last year we would regress, but not like this. If we didn't have that insane run and all the fun last year, this would be same old situations.
Bad season, but Yzerplan is still going solidly.
It's not always best just loose with young guys, get draft picks and then they never learn right ways.
For playoff spot you need good team, Red Wings just isn't there this year. Now its time young stars to lead, some take roster spots from vets and many for develop young guys.
Welcome to being a 06-07 Maple Leafs fan...
I am very lenient with Yzerman given how he has set up his contracts and prospect pipeline.
Yet, his roster on or before opening night of the 26/27 season has to be a heavyweight lineup, or he will likely be gone. He has incredible roster flexibility in 26/27, especially with the cap going up. He has a lot of prospects thriving in the minor leagues. There's also a plethora of big name free agents coming up in the next few seasons.
I'm hopeful this will happen, but that's my personal deadline. Anyone who continues to give Yzerman chances after that season opener in 26/27 if he fails to construct a monster roster either doesn't understand how big of a blunder that would be, or will never criticize him over anything.
I’d say two years gotta wait for Cossa to be fully ready along with sandin pelka and Mazur and buchelkov
Great video thank you
Detroit will miss the playoffs forever, this will be an unbreakable curse.
Red wings went from a juggernaut to this , ouch .
I dont mind, they kicked the life outa the nhl for a long time lol. (My team included) Their fans needed to come back down to earth eventually. The red wings still had some of the best teams of this millenia. Theyll figure it out
The Yzerplan is two fold. First his draft lottery luck has been very unlucky in addition his FA hasn’t been great. However, if he is trying to sign the best FAs and they don’t want to come and support his young cast all he can do is go next in line. The issue with the Yzerplan is there been NO generational players that are instant fixes even in the draft. People need to shake this fantasy that there is a McDavid in every draft or free agency he choose Copp and Chariot instead. // The way I look at it is since his arrival the team point total went from 39pts to 91pts andSeider, Raymond, Edvinsson and a trending Kasper are starting to become part of the core. Cupboard absolutely full of potential prospects. Issue is getting a high end talented Star….. but why does everyone think they are just so readily available? It’s foolish to think he isn’t doing the best he can with what he has been given…. If no one sees or understands this, then they don’t understanding real life NHL rebuilds, they should stick with their PlayStation rebuilds.
Ottawa, Buffalo, and Detroit are in the Bermuda triangle of being mid in a rebuild.
Holland really left Stevie Y a mess. Hardly any assets to sell off to properly jumpstart a rebuild
We are still paying on Justin Abdelkader and will be for 1 more season. This is the legacy of was Yzerman took over. Fans want the current Wings team to be better than last year, but they also want to get rid of specific veterans to make way for the youth. The team is not good enough with the veterans, a youth movement will make them worse. I think they stepped on the gas a season too early. They need another decent dman to anchor the 2nd pair and some sort of center/forward star. Now with both goalies injured, feels like it's going to be a long season. Hoping Kasper, Edvinson, Berggren continue to improve and solidify themselves in the core of this team going forward. Playoffs, maybe next year.
I feel bad for the fans. But as a leafs fan I’m happy to see them struggle.
Wow. Be careful what you say. You'll end up eating your own words
The Wings may be bad right now. But at least the fans have seen 4 cup wins since 1967.
Turanna has NEVER made it past the 3rd round. EVER. Think about that. What a bum organization.
Lets be real. Adding the salary cap in 05-06' destroyed Detroit's NHL dominance, with their last Stanley Cup coming in 2007.
Anaheim won in 2007.
Wings fan since '73, but I tuned them out years ago to watch real contenders (Lightning, Panthers, and Bruins). I keep coming back every year until I realize they're not worth investing the time. Call me when they're good again.
so, you're not a fan. Got it.
It’s time for a coaching change, but of course, Yzerman knows Lalonde from Tampa, giving him a way too long of a leash. We’re stuck in below average purgatory, because of Steve.
If it wasn’t for Steve, we be winning Stanley Cups. #fartnoise
The Yzerplan has been a catastrophe in asset management
missing that one generational talent. That would be a huge game changer in salary cap NHL. He has a slew of stars, but no superstars like in Yzerman's own career.
They were doing good until now/this season
They were not lol
@ decent
@@HogSZN They were a hundred seconds difference from a playoff spot despite a terrible 7 game hiccup midseason. They were doing just fine.
@@icedo1013 brother the east is so fucking weak, the capitals made it in with 91 points. That would've put them behind St Louis last year (non-playoff team). Also how did that Washington team (better than last year's Detroit team) do in the playoffs? They got smashed in 4 games by a fraudulent rangers team lmfao
I wouldn’t say good, I would say lower middle. But I think this is really due to losing Walman and Gostisbehere and retaining Holl and petry.
The signings weren’t that bad, it was the amount of money they got and term
We need a new coach after this season. Because god knows we aint making it
Definitely feels like they took a couple steps back this season. I was hoping Patrick Kane would keep his momentum going too.
Kane is starting to look washed to me. I thought he'd get goal 500 this year, but looks like he'll need 2 seasons
He's done. Not a factor at all most nights.
@@robsavage9440 I think he can still be a key player somewhere else. He shoulda signed with a contender.
What could have been had we just drafted Quinn Hughes..
Yall realize that the rebuild didn't technically start till yzerman took over right? Holland didn't do nothing till his final year when he started adding draft picks and yzerman couldn't really do anything with the roster till Holland terrible contracts came off the books, yzermans biggest mistake was letting bertuzzi go and getting worthless coup for 5 years at 5.5 mil whose never score 20 goals in a season, it could be 15 in a season I know it was low
IMO the Wings are missing that "star player." A duo. Like in Tampa we had Stamkos and Kucherov. Chicago had Kane and Towes. Penguins had Crosby and Malkin. Wings don't have that.
I think it’s clear now that Julian Breisbois was the one making all the moves in Tampa Bay.
Yzerman's team in Tampa was successful before he hired Brisebois - he just has a better PR machine
Doubt it. That was Yzermans. Team. Especially for their 1st cup win.
I’ll give Bresisbous credit with their second cup win.
He made sone moves and shipped out some players due to cap issues. But still constructed a good enough roster to go back and win another cup and reach the finals again the next season
I don't know if it'll ever work out for them
This is a very pessimistic take on the rebuild. Stevie Y had to offload bad contracts and rebuild from scratch. A lot of the poor start to the rebuild was the fact that Ken Holland tried to hold on two years too long to get the playoff streak to 25 years. Holland era bad contract after bad contract is what made screwed the team rebuild. I thought it likely that the team would regress based on who they let go and who they brought in. A lot of goal scoring went and LaLonde is preaching a stifling defensive system to compensate. I feel for LaLonde but I’m not convinced he’s the guy. As for Yzerman, I’d like some more prospects to make the team and then evaluate his job. Especially ASP, I’m really looking forward to that guy showing what he’s made of at the NHL level.
Steve is addicted to signing bad contracts. Chiarot, Petry, Copp, Compher, Holl, etc. It’s embarrassing that a team so cap strapped is this bad. We have yet to see the Red Wings do anything meaningful in the salary cap era of NHL. Great, there’s talent in the farm system, too bad we won’t see the fruits of that for another couple years probably. Coaching and GM changes are needed, we’re coming up on almost a decade now of the Wings not making the playoffs, it’s just shameful for this once proud franchise.
Four big problems as I see it.
1) Pro scouting and player evaluation is abysmal and has caused the team to overvalue bad players and undervalue good ones. Chiarot / Petry are the worst second pair in the NHL and Gus is terrible, while Walman and Ghost are dominating elsewhere. Maatta is playing solid matchup minutes now with Utah. Bad asset management.
2) Amateur scouting hasn’t produced any big hits in rounds 2-7 of the draft.
3) The draft lottery has burned the Wings badly. Instead of getting elite/generational players, they’re getting solid core/complementary pieces. It takes superstars to win. Detroit has none.
4) Coaching is not extracting good value from the roster.
I think it’s a coin toss at best as to whether or not this becomes a Buffalo-style double dip rebuild. Very easy to imagine the team stuck in an indefinite funk.
Lets not forget we got SHAFTED not getting a top 3 pick after fishing dead last. Yes, we did good with Raymond, but I'd take Stutzle over him.
UNNECESSARY PENGUINS SLANDER
Penguins have won three cups in the past 15 years..... what's Detroit done? Nothing since the salary cap went into effect. Great players seldom make great GMS or coaches. Usually the best coaches are guys that played third and fourth line.
It’s hard to take this video seriously, narrator hasn’t been around long enough to talk with authority about the Wings.
Take off? We’re sinking….
His biggest miss was never finding a goaltender who was and is worth a damn
Dude what?
Cossa and Augustine are developing amazingly and Talbot and Lyon are part of the reason we're not last in the league right now
@ should have went after markstrom
@@JeffShafer87 Talbot and Lyon are both doing better and are on a worse team.
@ they don’t push the needle to win a cup there is a reason both Talbot and Lyons were let go by both their former clubs, their 1 b goalies that’s it, slightly better James Reimers
35-37-10 doesn't equal 84 points bud. 80
Little typo on my end
You spin the drafting of Seider as a disappointment, because it was so unexpected. But drafting Seider was a clear success, as measured by his subsequent NHL success. The fact that Yzerman went so far out of expectations to make such a great pick is even more to his credit.
Conversely, with Zadina (a pre-Yzerman pick), you don't mention how excited everyone was as he was drafted. Many of us thought that we had won the lottery, getting at #6 a player projected to go in the top three. But you just called that pick a failure, because he never did live up to the hype. That is the correct way to present it this far after the fact: it's not about the expectations on draft day, but instead about his success (or lack thereof) in the NHL years later. Why didn't you portray the Seider pick the same way?
Good point
At this point with the moves in FA and coaching choices I have lost my faith in Yzerman
57 seconds is crazy
You gotta do one of these for Ottawa and Buffalo
Made a similar video about Buffalo over the summer: ua-cam.com/video/EW3sQuaS1rQ/v-deo.htmlsi=2SQdEsqBJY6s3hEP
Whelp time rev up them Tanks boys, TANK MESI AWAYYYYYYYY
Grus getting fired soon
Wouldn’t call it a never ending…. This is what happens when a team is pretty good for 20 years straight.. and making the playoffs for 20 plus years.
Rebuilds suck. Especially whenever you gotta do em the right way, throw on Detroit having terrible luck in the draft for a year or 2.
Rebuild should be done by the 2026 season, then they should be consistently making Playoffs.
Whether they will be a cup contending team? I’m not sure.
Steve will have to construct a team through Freee agency and develop players through the draft because the team don’t have that super star unfortunately.. but… luckily todays NHL .. you should be able to contend for a cup without a couple superstars on the roster
Never ending rebuild? Have you heard of the Toronto Maple Leafs?
Yzerman and shanahan are absolute clowns
I don't believe veleno and bergren were misses are they gonna be superstars no nhl players tho yes they are
I believe in the Yzerplan but only for one or two seasons more and then the Yzer Man will be the Yzer Canned.
One thing i will say is the 2019-20 red wings had the worst offense in nhl history, insane bottom.
My opinion is it does not look good. It's one thing if they were doing really well and still losing, but they're not doing well at all and it seems like every win is luck.
EXPERIENCE YZERPLAN HOCKEY
Probably another 5 years
I can’t take you seriously for saying Berggren hasn’t panned out
6 points through 24 games this season... looking like a bottom 6 forward
I dont see enough there for them to be good in a long time. Not enough elite talent on the team or in the pipeline
I hate all the 'Yzerplan' talk. Makes it sound like there's some kind of defined long-term plan that we're following and it just isn't working out. Stevie Y is just a dude trying to field a winning team while restocking the absolutely barren cupboards he showed up to. We don't even have a major talent problem, we have an effort problem. Lalonde absolutely stinks and nearly everyone on this roster is playing down.
The beginning is wrong, the Blues were the best team to not make the playoffs with 92 points
If you had told me in Yzerman’s sixth year they would be one of the worst teams in hockey and the coach was rumored to be fired after every game I would’ve said you can keep him.
Make a video about buffalo hehe
I did over the summer!
What compared to teams that never won a cup cmon derp
Yzerman wasn't just one.of the best players ever, he's right up there with Sakic, and arguably, two legendary Montréal Guys.
Yzerman is not close to the best all time. Gretzky, Lemieux, Jagr, Coffey, Lidstrom, Roy, Messier, Hasek all better than Yzerman and played at the same time. Not to mention others like Howe, Orr, Crosby, McDavid.
Yeah just 7th all time in points while also transitioning into a Selke trophy winning beast defensively that blocked shots and won faceoffs, 3 cups(one with no cartlidge in one knee while still leading an completely loaded team in playoff scoring), Conn Smyth and an Olympic Gold medal?
Right, nothing to see here
@@eeegon
Again, not CLOSE to the best player all time. He can be a great player and not nearly the best player all time.
@@jfkst1 who suggested he was the best of all time ? that is absurd - but he certainly is a first ballot hall of famer - his career stands on its own - not bad for the guy they took because they couldn't get Pat Lafontaine the pick before him .
@@jfkst1 I did not say he was the best, you said he isn't close, I disagree with both those statements. He's among the group you mentioned except Wayne, who is obviously the best.
This claim of "rebuilding" needs to go after a few years. Max you have 3 years to be shit and get new prospects before you gotta admit you signed people who aren't producing and you goofed.
This once amazing org that has the most stanleys in all of the US is now racing for a spot at the bottom, and I can only point to how their systems are implemented at this point.
Defensive players will rarely ever make a shot, let alone score. The D plays this perpetual "Stay 3 feet apart and don't you dare stick check to get the puck back" is something I've never seen work to their favor and tends to get them crazy shots against.
The offense is really lacking other than Raymond, Larkin, and sometimes Kane. Once the top line is off the ice, there's nothin. No one on any of the other 3 lines really brings much to the table at this point, and Kasper/Berg are only showing signs here and there of being hopeful future stars. They gotta get WAY more consistent.
People like Justin Holl are a massive joke to watch in games. They look like oversized buffoons who should have played football or at least stayed in the AHL at best.
Specifically list who Steve should have signed. Layout the $ amount and term of contract. Make sure to keep it below the cap. Also. Players need to want to come here to play. You can’t just sign all of the free agents.
Should they have signed Stamford and Marchessault and be dead last like Nashville?
I have the greatest respect for GM Steve Yzerman. The man is on/off the ice a solid leader and knows how to build teams. However, the PROBLEM is that the Red Wings are just unable to aquire great building material here. Not signing great free-agents, not having anything in there farm team(s) that will become very special and not gedtting high draft picks and lose out on the best regarded picks - and there scouts, that once was very good at finding hidden gems in the past finds mostly common material that is just basic = No Zetterberg or Datsyuk so to speak.
There are no zetterberg/datsyuks because scouts for all 32 teams know how to scout foreign talent. The Red Wings of the 90's broke the mold by drafting guys like Lidstrom and Fedorov and Datsyuk because nobody knew what kind of talent was out there, and in fact assumed it was lesser by default. The Wings and maybe a couple other teams had the inside scoop and used it to their advantage; that advantage doesn't exist anymore. As for their farm team I would have to adamantly disagree with you. ASP, Danielsson, Cossa/Augustine are all stellar prospects poised to see NHL time within the next year or two, not to mention Kasper and Johansson and Berggren finally seeing a roster spot and showing great promise already. Wait until these interim contracts (read: Husso, Copp, Chairot, etc) start dropping off and see how quickly this team starts to look good again supporting Seider/Edvinsson/Raymond/Larkin in or about their prime.
You are not going to sign great free agents . In the salary cap era - when teams get really good players - they lock them up for as long as they can - coming off their entry level deals - so signing free agents - to fill out your team is not going to be successful . You can find the odd guy - who is undervalued and you can use in a way that better suits his abilities - but that is about all you can expect from free agency . Yzerman has attempted to sign guys that he wanted to play up - and it has failed miserably . For instance - Andrew Copp is a 3rd line center - he signed him to a salary and term like he was a good 2nd line center - and he has not delivered anywhere near that level . Same with Ben Chiarrot - he was paid like a top 4 defenseman - and he can not play like that - never has . Maybe he thought he could coax better production out of them - i am sure he did - but that has not happened . These players were signed as a stop gap - and I think Yzerman believes it is good to have competition within the team for roster spots - so that is why he signed some of these journeyman is what they are . they are just guys . problem is - the fans had much higher expectations
Wrong vets to many selfish players on this team and that dude that wears the C clearly is no leader they suck in transition and on defence goaltending is sus as well
Brisebois must have been the real reason the Bolts were successful. The Yzerplan has the blades coming off the skate, and the team is dragging itself to the bench. I hear Cossa is doing really well, though, but the Danielson pick was not too smart.
So dumb - that team was already loaded before he hired Brisebois . If anyone deserves credit besides Yzerman - it is Al Murray - who did all the scouting - and found guys like Kucherov - Vasil etc where no one else did . He actually got demoted last year by Tampa - I was hoping Yzerman would poach him away but so far nope .
@pjpredhomme7699 Oh, I thought that Bris had been around for longer. My apologies. I just wanted to say that whomever was beneath him/advising him in Tampa should get credit. I guess Al Murray then.