Great to see the difference between the Dolby Vision version and the HDR version of Marco Polo. I do however have a problem with some of your explanations. Yes Dolby Vision is 12 bit, but it is down sampled to 10 bit on the tv. Dolby does claim that a down sample from 12 to 10 bit enables them to create a more precise color gradient in 10 bit, but neither that nor the 12 bit are the main reason behind the better quality on a properly mastered Dolby Vision source. HDR10 has a standard value that is used during the entire movie. Dolby vision is frame by frame based which means that the tv is optimized for each frame, and not just optimized for an average of the movie. That optimization does bring out more details, and that is the main reason behind the better picture quality of Dolby Vision compared to HDR10 at the moment.
Something i don't understand: if i can see the differences in my old TV, why are those extra details and colors not on the HDR 10 verion? Again, i'm watching the vid in an old 1080p screen and i can see those dolby vision extra colors :/
+Paulo Lameiras: Like +Henri Holstila, I was also thinking the same thing. Basically, whenever we watch stuff about technologies that we can't see, it's like a colorblind person trying to see how the colors of something have improved. We just can't get it with our screens, so we don't know what is actually seen. Certainly, HDR10 should be better than your current screen, but why do both HDR types not just appear as good as your screen can possibly handle? I think that generally, at least in advertisements if not here, the video is graded, with saturation and contrast boosted to give us an effect, but in real life, it all looks different and so we have to see it in person. Of course if they wanted to simply add a reddish color to the sky, any TV (that is not black-and-white) is capable of that. So yeah...why does it not appear to be there? +Andreas Tzimboukakis says that it may be due to incorrect tonemapping on one of the TVs (neither of which can actually play 12 bit content).
well you dont see the colors hdr10 is missing. you are seeing "a version of those missing colors captured by a normal camera" used by the youtuber. when the camera sees those colors it matches them to the nearest defined color in its abilities. imagine you are sitting with a friend and you hear a strange sound but your friend doesn't. then when you two meet with a 3rd friend you are telling the story "we were sitting and i heard a sound like (tschchstschs), but my friend#2 didnt hear it." friend#3 turns into friend#2 and says: "are you deaf, how can you not hear it? even I can hear that sound".
You dont see them, because they dont exist. Those details were remastered with Dolby vision. Its not that they were edited in, its just that the creatorsof the content would normally compress data to 8bit colour and only kept in uncompressed for 12 bit when they had dolby vision. Sothe HDR10 file isnt getting the same access of information that a dolby vision stream is getting. So pretty much any HDR10 capable tv is able to display Dolby Vision 10bit, but some have not paid for the licencing.
Hey Channa. I like HDR10 and 10plus and don't get hung up about Dolby Vision. Yes DV is nice but I don't think it's truly a big deal. Samsung doesn't have DV but still sell the most TVS.
From what I have seen, I prefer HDR10 because it is much brighter. I think you need to have a a 1000 NITS+ OLED to fully appreciate Dolby Vision and the darkness not being a problem. I have a Sony x900H which looks amazing in HDR 10.
Dolby Vision is actually brighter. HDR10 only goes up to 1000 nits while Dolby Vision goes up to 10000 Nits. I'm guessing that current bright movies are only operating at about 2000 nits. "Nits" is a measure the brightness of a light source.
You can make HDR10 look like DV with some equipment like the PS5. Adjust HDR settings for better blacks. Settings - 1. Make Sun disappear 2. Make Sun disappear 3. Sun at lowest level
So a weird thing with LG oled is that they are not showing HDR10 correctly it cannot tone map HDR10 so the clipps the highlights way too much and the detail in the bright areas rolls off way to early. Dolby vision on LG oled works correctly with the tonemapping it provides.
Andreas Tzimboukakis maybe but Sony new OLED with self illuminating pixels with x1 extreme 8 core processor tech. Which has based on intel XEON 8 core processor tech. With LCD 4K tv panel to max brightness and contrast with light sensor adjusting sensor where each pixel will adjust to max images detail and know how bright it should make bright images and dark images based on amount light in room or dark room is. Tv feature android and every type HDR there is as well Dolby Vision and Dolby Vision with HDR.
no doubt that sonys oled would wipe the floor with LGs cause of the superior image processing. Sony still consider their z9 their flagship HDR tv for 2017.
Andreas Tzimboukakis there be no z9 what think A1E is the z9 replacement using it processor and totally new type LCD screen from what I saw and much more check out CES channel to learn more.
Thanks for your video. I have been working on mastering and distribution of HDR content for 4 years. There are several issue, first 12-bit and 10-bit are signal formats and does not directly translate to better viewing experience! The viewing experience depends on how well your viewing device is capable of showing you the quality of the signal, e.g. the quality of the TV panel (type, gamut, actual bit-depth, internal processing, tone-mapping etc... Also, the main difference between 12-bit and 10-bit HDR has to do with the PQ EOTF of the signal and encoding. The PQ or ST2084 is designed to have every code value correspond to a certain nit-level which causes steps in the signal. the extra 2-bits in the 12 bit will allow for better-preservation of the information between the steps. however, at the moment there are no encoders on the market that is optimized for PQ or HDR (they do have HDR settings, but internally they are still optimized for gamma signal). Which means until we get there those extra-bits wont translate to a perceptible difference! Also, your Marco Polo example is INCORRECT! that is not the difference between 10-bit and 12-bit. that is the difference between how the two versions were mastered! having worked with major studios, more than likely they did the DolbyVision HDR first and the HDR-10 was just an after thought and it was not mastered to the same creative quality of the DolbyVision version! ( it is not technical) REC2020 is is used as a container in both HDR10 and DolbyVisionHDR. both signals are mastered to D65-P3 and re-contained in rec2020 for mastering and distribution! If you need more info about HDR you can dm me.
I'm so glad I decided to wait until now (late 2017) to upgrade my entire home theater system, including the tv (LG 65" 4K), AV receiver (Denon S series), Xbox One X., and a UHD blue ray player. All devices support both HDR formats! Can't wait to test the different formats for blue ray viewing.
This is inaccurate. How can you compare Dolby Vision (12 bit) versus HDR 10 (10 bit) on a TV that has a 10 bit panel? You can't. Your overview does not make sense in that regard. The same way as TVs with 8 bit panels cannot be proper HDR TVs if they cannot meet the wider colour gamut required to properly display HDR content. So the question is, how do you get 4,096 gradient levels on a 10 bit panel like the LG OLED E6? You won't be able to measure this until 12 bit panels become commercially available. As far as I know, there aren't any yet.
Well- this video has many false or misleading statements. Your example is just one of them. As you said- even professional grading displays are not capable of reproducing 12bit. DolbyVision as technology is superior, but this is yet to be fully utilised in real world, specially at home environment. At the moment you can forget about 12bit v 10bit as most consumer TVs can't even reliably do 10bit (and those mentioned details have nothing to do with 12bit at all). Best thing about DolbyVision is that it carries metadata per scene (not per whole movie like HDR10), which can be reliably used as a reference to adjust each scene for each display capabilities. Even for no-techy people: www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-vision/dolby-vision-white-paper.pdf
Big part of this videos comparing HDR to SDR and HDR10 to Dobly VISIO, are BS. How can I on a 6bit panel, emulating 8bit color depth, can se the diference too? The biggest differences between the two are caused by bad Remastering of the HDR10 content. Obviusly, if you are paying for Dobly vision you are expecting to get proper support from the developors.
Solution: Get support for both if you can! My Denon AVR-4400H and my Vizio 65” 4K M65-E0 BOTH support HDR10 and Dolby Vision. 4K formats are still in a volatile state. TV is NO WHERE NEAR set to broadcast 4K content anytime soon. All we really have in terms of native content is Blu Ray discs and some select streaming. I know this post is a year old but the standard still isn’t rock solid yet. At this point, if I was looking for these kinds of products, I’d keep my options as open as I could. The reason I went with the Denon & Vizio is the price to performance ratio. The quality vs. the features. Luckily I can say I can support both for years to come without worrying it will be totally obsolete in a year or 2. Do your research before purchase folks! Dolby Vision is probably the better format overall visually but true 12 bit displays are few and far between and the format winner is usually determined on which is the easier to support at the time which is probably HDR10 right now.
I have the 2016 LG OLED C6P in 65 inch just like you. My concern is this, I have been reading the Dolby Vision in 2016 LG OLEDs only capable of 30Hz and not the 60Hz max needed for the new Apple TV 4K. Is it true? Please help clarify.
You said Rec2020 from DV. Rec2020 is an International standard and nothing to do with Dolby. Rec2020 color space applies to both 10 bit and 12 bit color mapping, and is used in HDR10. It just happens that displays today are just barely able to cover the majority of DCI P3 (Cinema standard), and producing close to 70% of Rec2020. We may see Rec2020 capable displays as early as 2020 (nice marketing tie), but not today regardless of DV.
I don't know where to ask this question, sorry. Well, if I buy 4k tv which doesnt support dolby atmos, and download movie in 4k resolution from torrent which says, for example- terminator uhd truehd atmos, will my tv play this movie? Thanks.
Unless you attached the wrong label to the pictures the HDR10 looked better but being that you only have a 10 bit tv anyway you wouldn't see the benefit of Dolby Vision. The difference between 8 and 10 bit is huge so the extra 2 bit from 10 to 12 will surely have a similar effect no?
Good and instructive video but i was at the impression that dolby vision is not yet out and it will be only at 2020 and just one more question? Just beside you you got a speaker stand and i am looking for something like that can you tell me the name of the compagnie that does those please and sorry to disturb you with that
Thanks for the quick reply, I just have one more question , what kind of sound am I getting from my yamaha soundbar (ysp 1600) coming from Netflix watching Dolby vision compared to Xbox one s with its options for bitstream Dts, dd, Xbox won't decode 5.1?
+Mark Cox Hi! It will only display if the content is in Dolby Vision. When I watch Marco Polo on the TVs Netflix app, it shows a Dolby Vision logo in the upper right.
Techno Dad you want tv feature it all and computer soiled state hard drive google play store games streaming apps and ps now and ability use PS4 remote with tv and direct now later in year wait for Sony 2017 line come out and directv update for this app do out around late summer early fall. Is when 2016 and 2017 tv from Sony get android update to incorporate all this and far more.
Techno Dad I seen that same logo but if tv handle Dolby Vision with HDR10 or Dolby Vision with HDR or if tv support basic Dolby Vision you get best quality possible from content if tv HDR10 tv then it won't have same level detail overall picture will still be nice.
Hi, can I ask you a question? I own Mitsubishi 73" DLP tv and lately the tv brightness and contrast has gone down. I've replaced the DLP chip along with the lamp and it's still the same. I've amped up the brightness and contrast all the way up and it's not what it used to be. Any suggestions?
Hello Techno Dad. Yeah I've had this tv for almost 10 years now. I guess it's time to upgrade to a new TV. It's too bad because everything is still great, just the color is dark and fading. Thank you for your reply!
donnie collins maybe but you been better off waiting for Sony OLED model A1E comes in 55 65 and 77 and pretty nice. Only two LG tv which handle HDR tech nicely but won't have Sony app selection do to fact Sony runs google latest android tv system. Those to LG are W7 and G7 unless want something more on level of 3 in half stars out five quality feature Dolby vision support and HDR picture which won't exceed HDR10 quality then E7 for you.
Brandon Westover Note I stated they put w series panel into their A1 series OLED when it comes to Sony. Yet there no need for it or any panel I think. Since it uses no LED lighting of any kind. Instead it using totally independent self lighting pixels.
If I have a tv that supports hdr and hdr 10 plus but not Dolby vision will a blue ray player that supports Dolby vision play on my tv which has a 10 bit panel ?
Hey Bro I have a question I have a Pioneer Elite lx301 and I seen on some forms that some AV receivers will need a firmware update to pass-through Dolby vision and then some people say you won't I'm confused I'm starting to have buyer remorse if the case can you help out what a answer or video?
+officialpartychannel I guess we will have to see. Vudu has partnered with Dolby, and is streaming 4K content with Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos. It's going to be an interesting ride!
I agree with officialpartychannel, dolby has an advantage now but at the end of the day people and manufactures prefer to not spend money when possible so someone will bump up hdr10 to 12 bit eventually which... may I be honest? I have a 10 bit panel... like a real 10 bit 1440p monitor that doesn't need to do stupid HDR trickery to achieve what HDR is trying to do and when compared to my other 8 bit 1440p screen, I've never noticed a difference between the two until someone whips out a still image for me to look at and really take the time to look at it to see those differences and let me point this out, 10 bit removes all banding effects that might exist in a picture already. HDR might not be a gimmick (It is doing other things) but the extra bit of colors, those 12 bit over 10 (or even 8) is a gimmick, just one that is not going away anytime soon.
Come to think about it as I really do sit down and think of it, this is basically prologic all over again, the video itself is not in 10 or 12 bit, its in 8bit and a codec is sent to the TV along with it, dolby's software picks it up and decodes the signal. Its not at all a true 12 bits of color its just TRYING to convince you that it is 12 bits, just like prologic was not real surround sound. It was just trying to convince you it was.
It's highly dependent on the individual. I have sensitive eyes and can notice differences between monitors and panels immediately. (it's also not that hard to tell when a monitor is using dithering.) from a 6, 8, 10, or 12 bit panel it becomes much harder after 12~14 because of how smooth the gradients become. I have a large number of individuals who claim they cannot see a difference between 60 and 120~144 Hz. I can as well as some friends and family I know. I had at one time been called by my parents and asked why their PC on their 144 Hz monitor had become "slow" like everything had slowed down. They had been doing adjustments and accidentally reduced the refresh rate to 60. While they did not know it was the refresh rate that was impacted they could immediately tell that the rendering had slowed significantly just by minimizing a window. On a side note I have been calibrating monitors and TV's for years. Which may attribute to why I am so used to seeing the differences.
I have a question. I just ordered a Denon 4K AV receiver. I'm about to order a 65" LG 4K OLED. I own the Xbox One X. Since the TV and the Xbox One X will pass through the recever, doesn't the AV receiver have to support HDR10 or Dolby Vision or both?
+txmoney Hi! My Denon supports both. But you'll need an Oppo 203 4K player, playing a 4K Blu Ray that has Dolby Vision. Most other 4K Blu Rays will support HDR10. I'm pretty sure most of the Denons have HDR10 support. I have an AVR-X6300H, and that got the Dolby Vision update a month ago.
Techno Dad Thanks! You're very helpful. My Denon is the AVRS930H. After reading the specs, it supports both HDR10 and Dolby Vision. I ordered the Oppo 4K blue ray player for the best blue ray presentation. Glad I waited until now to upgrade my home theater. With your help, I believe all my components are now compatible.
You can't compare HDR10 and Dolby Vision on a LG OLED as HDR10 will just look inferior due to technical limitations. If you watch HDR10 content on a flagship Samsung TV then it's clear that 1.) HDR10 can look as detailed as Dolby Vision and 2.) current OLED TVs can't keep up in terms of brightness. Also there are currenty no mass market TVs available which feature a 12 Bit panel, so Dolby Vision will have to wait a few years longer to make best use of this format.
Samsung TVs don't do Dolby Vision, so you can't do this comparison on aSamsung. I'm still wondering why Samsung fanboys still bring up the brightness issue. The OLED can create a perfect black level, and therefore doesn't need to be as bright. Samsung has to have above 1500 nits to make anything that comes close. And if you watched the video, I stated twice that TVs now will not take full advantage of Dolby Vision.
young mille you can get everything nits needed and black levels and image quality using Sony OLED which uses X1 extreme imaging 8 core processor. With separate X1 extreme processor for android operating system tv runs. So you get amazing picture in every way and apps would load super fast as well. As well get all needed HDR formats needed and Dolby Vision support needed.
Hi! I can't say for sure as all I can do is read what's on TCLs website. It says HDR, but in not sure if that's HDR10 and if it supports a wide color gamut.
But they were so heavy, and sensitive, Also the burn in was a real issue, especially if you used it to game or watched a lot of content with static images.
cheddar07 that burn in was such a pain in the arse. I paid a shit load for my Pioneer plasma and it got screen burn after the first time I played a game on it. SO pissed off after that, having the hid from Mass effect on everything I watched 😠
Hello .!! Witch TV would you choose for 3000 euros? SONY KD55A1BAEP OLED , LOEWE bild 4.55 OLED , PANASONIC TX-55EZW954 OLED , LG 65B7D OLED , PHILIPS 55POS9002 ?? It will be used for Home Theater
Sony's X1 Extreme chip i the Z9D is awesome, and I can't wait to see that in the A1 OLED coming out later this spring. That may be one of the best PQ TVs in 2017. They are also supporting both Dolby Vision and HDR10 with the new A1.
Techno Dad correct get this it thanks to z9 there going be A1 OLED later in year they took Z9 tech to next level but unlike z9 which is for personal use A1 is for family use like my home where there 3 other people living in House. and there standard picture black levels and so on must be meet or be yelled at is why I pick Sony OLED because I get needed nits color brightness level black levels frame rate for my brother video games and my and dad get needed black levels for his sci-fi films and color and brightness needed for films like into heart of sea which mom likes. And I get Dolby Vision and hdr support needed for Netflix progress like crown and Dolby Vision with HDR10 for Netflix program Daredevil.
agree and they also use legendary imaging mapping tech. only normally projectors uses they been making for past ten year or more which they call bit-mapping how it perk I don't know. they say it supposed allow each pixel allow tv help to make more true to life images. instead on how much brightness and black levels the A1E OLED they are concentrating on how true to life images tv will show. note it have 3 years parts and labor and 24/7 tech support and troubleshooting help. so they say we will see once it hits market if all this is true.
Mike Johnson Sony is using LG display oled panels. The g6 oled by LG for example far surpasses the uhd alliance requirements showing 99% of p3 colour; in terms of oled patents LG owns more than any of the other major tv companies the TVs come with 5 year warranty and 24/7 tech support with parts available for at least 5-7 years. The banding issues etc have been addressed with the 2016/17 oled's by LG the only downside is motion processing however it's barely noticeable. Sound wise harman kardon speakers are with LG's TVs which give surprisingly good sound and format wise they support both hdr standards with a update coming soon for HLG etc. Don't get me wrong Sony make good tv's but specs are one thing real world performance another and LG is known for higher customer satisfaction and longer support for products.
I have seen OLED's running HDR and it looks amazing for movies. Blacks look jet black and colors look look really bright but it all looks life like and realistic.
How are you viewing 12bit on a 10bit screen? Should that be downscaled to 10bit anyway? And those gradient examples are the same. The reason why you dont see any breaks in the gradient in the "12bit" version is because of dithering.
can a 12 bit color source be displayed on a 10 bit panel without losing depth? what is the relation between the panel capability and the color space? i mean, all current 4K TVs hace 10 bit panels. so I dont understand how you can get 12 bit colors out of them without mapping the 12 bit source to a 10 bit panel thus 'losing' the 12 bit color option.
Hello, I have a question, I bought a 4k satellite reciever which is non HDR or Dolby vision, it's normal 4k, my TV also is 4k non HDR too, so the picture is 4k but the colors are so bad, specially the black color, my question is,, if I buy an HDR TV and avtive the HDR option on the non HDR source like my 4k receiver, this will give more color and black depth?
So my question is what is HDR Pro is that HDR 10 or HDR 10 + Dolby Vision or is it just a cool name for just regular HDR. Im looking at 3 TVs now the LG UJ630V, the TCL P2US, and the TCL C2US. Im in the middle east and ive noticed that the tv models here usually different from the ones in North America for example. It also says on some product boxes *available in certain regions* so im trying to find the best TV for me right now but its hard because like i said the tv model numbers are different and there arent any sources on the internet that i can rely on and being in the middle east we always get scaled down products. I would appreciate it if u could answer my first regarding HDR tho, thanks
+triggamanful Hi!! It is difficult to tell what's going on with all these models around the world. HDR Pro as LG calls it, is supposed to be a screen that meets HDR10 specs. LG's HDR Super is a TV that has both HDR10 and Dolby Vision. HDR10+ is something new that isn't out on most TVs yet. I looked up that LG630V, and it looks good. You get HDR10 and HLG (new type of HDR). That should get you started! I couldn't find much on the TCLs you mentioned. Hope that helps!!
Wait a minute, If I recall desktop computers have been able to output 16bit & 32bit color since before I can remember, has it really taken 20+ years to get a display that can take advantage of it?
If you get a UHD disc with just Dolby Vision no HDR, but your tv/projector only supports HDR10 will there be any improvements to picture or will all UHD discs have HDR10 by default on top of Dolby Vision?
I don't think so...Vudu streams 4k UHD with Dolby Vision...but when I tried to watch a movie like that on my HDR10 TV, there is no HDR being sent to the TV because Dolby Vision is not supported through my budget 4K TV.
Great video. I Am a big videophile myself. I had a question regarding your opinion on what is the most accurate HDR on lg Oled there are three options?
+Michael Baron Hi! I would say Dolby Vision. 2017 models are supposed to have 4. HDR10, HLG, Dolby Vision, and Technicolor. I believe technicolor is still not released for them yet.
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hey great video. i have a question for you regarding my signal from my e6 oled to my denon receiver. i also use my oppo 203 for 4 k blurays. so my question is, how can i get dolby vision when im playing movies on my oppo, it shows hdr only since its going through my receiver. But, when i connect my hdmi from my tv straight to my oppo, it shows dolby vision. basically when the signal is passing through my receiver its out putting it only as hdr. if you could help , id appreciate it. thanks again and great video as always!
+Gershon Dharmanandan That's for any 4K UHD disc from a 4K player. However, streaming services like Vudu will only support DV. It will not downgrade to HDR10, you just won't get any content in HDR through Vudu.
I got hdr10 and dolby vision support on my lg tv.i thought i thought dolby vision and hdr 10 are the same thing,only different names.anyway,i got both of them on the same tv.so what does that means
hi, good afternoon. I just bought a Samsung 55ks9000, it's great and watching a lot of videos I can calibrate and the colors are so great; but there is a problem, in dark scenes not all, there is a white cloud that doesn't like me and I can't fix it... can you help me please? Roberto G.
at 5:04 you ask "should I get an LG Super UHD TV that only has HDR10?". This is an inaccurate statement. My LG 65UH7700 (2016) specs: "HDR10 Super w/ Dolby Vision™" (www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-65UH7700-4k-uhd-tv)
Hi! So far the Dolby Vision update that occurred for all Sony's with the X1 Extreme chip will not accept a DV signal through HDMI unless it's from the Apple TV 4K running the development software and a beta build. You can get DV only from streaming apps native to the TV.
Carrera4K if you have dolby vision content, set it to cinema mode with light 100. For all other content use expert dark room and leave it at 50. rtings.com will give you a proper idea for correct settings.
+brandon harriger I would assume that since you need licensing from Dolby, it would not work until that happened. Even off the XB1S can output 12bit color, Microsoft needs to have a deal with Dolby, and I think Dolby has a chip that needs to be in the TV, so that might be the same with the XB1S
isn't every content we see on tvs supposed to be sRGB? so what exactly is the purpose of having a larger colour gamut when there isn't any content to support such a huge variety of colours?
+Milos Pavlovic great question! I think they are getting everyone ready for the TVs upcoming in the next couple of years that are actually 12bit panels and can take advantage of the wider color gamut.
Techno Dad true 12 bit is better like 55 and 65 OLED from Sony will be with up to 1,000 nits while 77 will have 14 bit panel with dynamic range enhancer which they nick named supper image bit mapping which been combined with there x-reality pro imaging engine. For greater depth detail and image clarity. which will allow tv do 1,050 nits. Meaning this is smoking expensive and item going be everyone with home theater what do I put projector or tv answer that question answer tv that how good it supposed be we see around may June if be as good as specs sound.
Dolby says that if you buy a TV with dolby vision is future proof is it true? On the new 2017 LG oled tv uses a 10 bit screen so how can it out put 12 bit?
Jesus Santoyo simple imaging panel don't exceed 800 nits that for E6 and E7 and w series come near 1000 nits brightness and color and contrast. When it comes to OLED. UH9500 super UHD tv can reach 1,000 nits of color brightness and contrast but black levels are average. and very limited features wise app wise gaming through tv none. No android operating system or support for new service from directv coming later in year. No big improvement and after one year parts of your tv discontinued once your tv no longer made. 2nd no tech support if tv isn't under warranty as well as the parts. Unless you are willing pay 48.00 US dollars.
Hey What’s the difference between 4k and 4k certified please?!! Can someone tell me. Like when you see the filters for TVs you see 4k, then you see 4k certified?
What filters are you talking about? I've been reviewing 4K TVs for the past four years on this channel and the only item I see "4K Certified" on cables.
Techno Dad Like in Websites like Argos man😂. You can use the filters and I see two types of 4k. One is 4k UHD and the other is 4k UHD Certified. This is confusing me??! I think the 4k UHD likes to pixel shift or something like that stole the 4k UHD certified is true 4k or something like that.😅
I have PlayStation 4 Pro and Xbox One S and will probably upgrade to Scorpio. I want to get a 4k TV around 49 to 55" screen. Any recommendations good people?
Robert Morgan im probably going to pull the trigger on Sonys 900e soon waiting for the 49" to come on sale at best buy. the xbox one x is about to get real!
Thanks for tilting up enough so I can see that you have a fire alarm above the door! I often wonder if UA-cam creators have proper fire detectors... and yes 12 bit is plenty of the compression is good
Thanks for this video, awesome job! So hopefully you have time and maybe can give me some input. I bought the Sony 900E last June. I love the TV so much, it has high end specs and quality for a price that can’t be beat. But my question is... should I upgrade from 2017 Sony to the Sony 2018 900F That has Dolby Vision. I know the 900F isn’t out for yet, but in general is upgrading my 2017 to the newer Dolby 2018 tv really going to change my life? Again just curious on what you think. Thanks. 🙂✌️
Techno Dad Thank you so much for your input... I’m only considering it because I got my 900E for only $850, (I work for Best Buy and was given a big discount by Sony.) So instead of paying $1,700, I paid a great price. This year Sony will offer another 50% off deal for Sony and BBY employees so I could get the new one for $750. Again that’s the only reason why I’m even asking if I should. Thanks again though for you advice. 🙂👍✌️
Hey techno dad, Im thinking about to get a new TV with HDR but my budget only allows me to choose between the LG 55UH6500 and the Samsung 55KU6300. which one you think I should get? keep up the good work!
+Diogo Viriato Hi! Thank you for watching! I was going to get a Samsung KU series, but i found out that the KU series doesn't support HDR10, so I then went with the LG 49UH6500, which does support HDR10. Hope that helps!
donnie collins no you get stuck with same features and and abilities it can only fix glitches and updates app when needed that it that why I picked Sony OLED android tv so that wouldn't happen. So in few years I wouldn't have to go out and get another tv. With android just update and good to go.
Hamoud Neda Hi there Despicable Me and Despicable Me 2 are both released on 4k blu ray with Dolby Vision on June 5th 2017. The next Dolby Vision 4k blu ray after that is Resident Evil Vendetta which is released on July 18th 2017.
+Hamoud Neda Chinda has the info! We are still waiting for a player that supports DV. So far the Oppo UDP-203 and the LG UP970 are supposed to get DV support through a firmware update.
No DV support. The rumor was going around, but there haven't been anything lately. User Interface is pretty lame on the Sony when compared to the other players. But that's what I don't like about it. Otherwise it's a straight forward player.
Very interesting video, and thank you for posting it, I'm waiting on the new Sony oled a1e, but as we all know, it will be very expensive, what model is your oled tv?
+neker rivera Hi! Thanks for watching! Yeah, the Sony will be a tough competitor for sure. I have the LG E6 OLED, which retails for $4K, but I got mine for a little over $3k.
Is it good with motion picture, I mean no judder or jitter, I used to own the c6, but I returned because of that problem, I tried everything to correct it, but no luck, I would like to get e6, but because of what I went through with the c6, now I'm hesitating to get it.
I totally get it. I was advised to get the E6 from my guy at Best Buy because it has a better processor which handles motion a lot better. I don't notice any judder or jitter when watching football games.
Techno Dad I love watching movies with motionflow set to smooth , and that was when the judder happened, do you noticed that with your TV set to smooth?
If the eye can only see between 7 and 10 million distinct colors (depending on which google-derived article you read), what good is a video source (eg. a TV) that can display 1.7 or 68.68 billion different tones? The human eye will not be able to utilize any of the enhancements? Or am I missing somethnig? (Great video, btw!)
LG’s 2017 65uj7700 offers Dolby Vision in a side-lit local dimming LED IPS. I know it is not ideal, however it is thousands less than the upper echelon 65” oleds that offer Dolby vision support. The question is this, while watching Okja on Netflix, the Dolby vision image setting automatically activated. However, there is no way to know what are the more advanced D65 (6500K white balance) settings to manipulate on this specific image setting for the most accurate color? Knowing that Rtings.com’s settings recommendation was for SDR and UHD, what is there by way of calibration files to use when Dolby Vision settings of any supported TV are toggled (something along the lines of a Spears & Musil type media file encoded in Dolby Vision with gradients and color swatches to manipulate contrast, brightness, color settings and the like for your viewing room to get as close to D65 on Dolby Vision content)?
I'm watching this almost 3 years later because I need a new TV. So as a gamer, I am still not interested in investing thousands into a set that doesn't do both formats. It seems that HDR 10+ is the upgrade that still falls short or evens Dolby Vision?
Thanks for an informative video. I’ve been tossing and turning about the Samsung Q80T vs. the LG NANO91, and ended up going for the LG, which has Dolby Vision. However, the Samsung seems to come out on top in all the reviews. So my question is; now that I’ve got a tv which supports Dolby Vision, will I ever need HDR10 instead? I.e. are there any benefits of HDR10 that Dolby Vision does not have?
I have the 85inch Q80T instead of the LG OLED 77 inch which is double the price of Q80t and smaller in size. I'm glad I went to Samsung and I'm really happy with it's picture quality specially the blacks are more inky now than the previous model, OLED maybe a bit better in blackas but for double the price difference and small size? No thank you. I rather spend that money for my Audio system instead.
Techno Dad ah ok thanks for the replay, I don't get it at all as I can see the highlights and the extra dirt etc, so is hdr 10 as good as Dolby? , Although with Dolby I'd not be able to do anything haha, as I use my TV for Xbox, ps4, blu ray and PC gaming
It’s 2019, 2 years later, lol...and we still don’t have 12 bit TVs...and probably won’t for a long time. To have that much color you need a really high quality panel that is super expensive to make.
Techno Dad, I have both the VIZIO M80-D3 and the VIZIO P75-C1. For 4K UHD Blu-ray movies with HDR I prefer the 80 inch, for games and computer usage I prefer the 75 inch. Both have amazing HDR reproduction, I recommend both TV's.
Wow! That's awesome! Thanks for chiming in! I actually like my smaller 49" 4K TV for gaming. The 65" OLED is nice, but just a bit too big. Gaming doesn't work well when you have to move your head left to right to see the screen, hahahaha! What are you using for 4K UHD Blu-Ray player?
Techno Dad OLED is the best and if I could afford $20,000 for the 77" I'd be all over it, but since I cannot afford that and because my couch is 10 feet from my TV the 75" is perfect and I don't have to move my head at all.
Great to see the difference between the Dolby Vision version and the HDR version of Marco Polo. I do however have a problem with some of your explanations. Yes Dolby Vision is 12 bit, but it is down sampled to 10 bit on the tv. Dolby does claim that a down sample from 12 to 10 bit enables them to create a more precise color gradient in 10 bit, but neither that nor the 12 bit are the main reason behind the better quality on a properly mastered Dolby Vision source. HDR10 has a standard value that is used during the entire movie. Dolby vision is frame by frame based which means that the tv is optimized for each frame, and not just optimized for an average of the movie. That optimization does bring out more details, and that is the main reason behind the better picture quality of Dolby Vision compared to HDR10 at the moment.
Dolby now has netflix as a means of getting it to the masses as well. I think we are about to see what people like and do not like.
12 bit doesn’t matter since 99.9% of tvs are 8-10 bit. Dolby also supports thousands more nits of brightness but nothing can reach that level
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Something i don't understand: if i can see the differences in my old TV, why are those extra details and colors not on the HDR 10 verion? Again, i'm watching the vid in an old 1080p screen and i can see those dolby vision extra colors :/
I was thinking about the same thing.
+Paulo Lameiras: Like +Henri Holstila, I was also thinking the same thing. Basically, whenever we watch stuff about technologies that we can't see, it's like a colorblind person trying to see how the colors of something have improved. We just can't get it with our screens, so we don't know what is actually seen. Certainly, HDR10 should be better than your current screen, but why do both HDR types not just appear as good as your screen can possibly handle? I think that generally, at least in advertisements if not here, the video is graded, with saturation and contrast boosted to give us an effect, but in real life, it all looks different and so we have to see it in person. Of course if they wanted to simply add a reddish color to the sky, any TV (that is not black-and-white) is capable of that. So yeah...why does it not appear to be there? +Andreas Tzimboukakis says that it may be due to incorrect tonemapping on one of the TVs (neither of which can actually play 12 bit content).
I guess it has more to do with the player and the TV able to decode those additional details in the picture.
well you dont see the colors hdr10 is missing. you are seeing "a version of those missing colors captured by a normal camera" used by the youtuber. when the camera sees those colors it matches them to the nearest defined color in its abilities. imagine you are sitting with a friend and you hear a strange sound but your friend doesn't. then when you two meet with a 3rd friend you are telling the story "we were sitting and i heard a sound like (tschchstschs), but my friend#2 didnt hear it." friend#3 turns into friend#2 and says: "are you deaf, how can you not hear it? even I can hear that sound".
You dont see them, because they dont exist. Those details were remastered with Dolby vision. Its not that they were edited in, its just that the creatorsof the content would normally compress data to 8bit colour and only kept in uncompressed for 12 bit when they had dolby vision. Sothe HDR10 file isnt getting the same access of information that a dolby vision stream is getting. So pretty much any HDR10 capable tv is able to display Dolby Vision 10bit, but some have not paid for the licencing.
Hey Channa. I like HDR10 and 10plus and don't get hung up about Dolby Vision. Yes DV is nice but I don't think it's truly a big deal. Samsung doesn't have DV but still sell the most TVS.
From what I have seen, I prefer HDR10 because it is much brighter. I think you need to have a a 1000 NITS+ OLED to fully appreciate Dolby Vision and the darkness not being a problem. I have a Sony x900H which looks amazing in HDR 10.
Thanks for sharing. I had the X900H for a while as well, great looking TV!
Dolby Vision is actually brighter. HDR10 only goes up to 1000 nits while Dolby Vision goes up to 10000 Nits. I'm guessing that current bright movies are only operating at about 2000 nits. "Nits" is a measure the brightness of a light source.
You can make HDR10 look like DV with some equipment like the PS5. Adjust HDR settings for better blacks. Settings - 1. Make Sun disappear 2. Make Sun disappear 3. Sun at lowest level
So a weird thing with LG oled is that they are not showing HDR10 correctly it cannot tone map HDR10 so the clipps the highlights way too much and the detail in the bright areas rolls off way to early. Dolby vision on LG oled works correctly with the tonemapping it provides.
Really? Hmmm...I'll have to check out the same scene on my LG LED 4K TV and see if this is true. Thanks for the heads up!
Andreas Tzimboukakis maybe but Sony new OLED with self illuminating pixels with x1 extreme 8 core processor tech. Which has based on intel XEON 8 core processor tech. With LCD 4K tv panel to max brightness and contrast with light sensor adjusting sensor where each pixel will adjust to max images detail and know how bright it should make bright images and dark images based on amount light in room or dark room is. Tv feature android and every type HDR there is as well Dolby Vision and Dolby Vision with HDR.
no doubt that sonys oled would wipe the floor with LGs cause of the superior image processing. Sony still consider their z9 their flagship HDR tv for 2017.
Andreas Tzimboukakis there be no z9 what think A1E is the z9 replacement using it processor and totally new type LCD screen from what I saw and much more check out CES channel to learn more.
No the oled doesnt replace z9. Z9 is better for HDR thats why it still regarded as the flagship. The oled is just a alternative.
I still watch all of your older videos Channa D. I learn something from all the ones I watch. Kudo's to you buddy.
This is an old one!!!
Thanks for your video. I have been working on mastering and distribution of HDR content for 4 years. There are several issue, first 12-bit and 10-bit are signal formats and does not directly translate to better viewing experience! The viewing experience depends on how well your viewing device is capable of showing you the quality of the signal, e.g. the quality of the TV panel (type, gamut, actual bit-depth, internal processing, tone-mapping etc... Also, the main difference between 12-bit and 10-bit HDR has to do with the PQ EOTF of the signal and encoding. The PQ or ST2084 is designed to have every code value correspond to a certain nit-level which causes steps in the signal. the extra 2-bits in the 12 bit will allow for better-preservation of the information between the steps. however, at the moment there are no encoders on the market that is optimized for PQ or HDR (they do have HDR settings, but internally they are still optimized for gamma signal). Which means until we get there those extra-bits wont translate to a perceptible difference!
Also, your Marco Polo example is INCORRECT! that is not the difference between 10-bit and 12-bit. that is the difference between how the two versions were mastered! having worked with major studios, more than likely they did the DolbyVision HDR first and the HDR-10 was just an after thought and it was not mastered to the same creative quality of the DolbyVision version! ( it is not technical)
REC2020 is is used as a container in both HDR10 and DolbyVisionHDR. both signals are mastered to D65-P3 and re-contained in rec2020 for mastering and distribution!
If you need more info about HDR you can dm me.
I'm so glad I decided to wait until now (late 2017) to upgrade my entire home theater system, including the tv (LG 65" 4K), AV receiver (Denon S series), Xbox One X., and a UHD blue ray player. All devices support both HDR formats! Can't wait to test the different formats for blue ray viewing.
This is inaccurate. How can you compare Dolby Vision (12 bit) versus HDR 10 (10 bit) on a TV that has a 10 bit panel? You can't. Your overview does not make sense in that regard. The same way as TVs with 8 bit panels cannot be proper HDR TVs if they cannot meet the wider colour gamut required to properly display HDR content. So the question is, how do you get 4,096 gradient levels on a 10 bit panel like the LG OLED E6? You won't be able to measure this until 12 bit panels become commercially available. As far as I know, there aren't any yet.
Well- this video has many false or misleading statements.
Your example is just one of them. As you said- even professional grading displays are not capable of reproducing 12bit.
DolbyVision as technology is superior, but this is yet to be fully utilised in real world, specially at home environment. At the moment you can forget about 12bit v 10bit as most consumer TVs can't even reliably do 10bit (and those mentioned details have nothing to do with 12bit at all). Best thing about DolbyVision is that it carries metadata per scene (not per whole movie like HDR10), which can be reliably used as a reference to adjust each scene for each display capabilities.
Even for no-techy people:
www.dolby.com/us/en/technologies/dolby-vision/dolby-vision-white-paper.pdf
Andrew Kolakowski Thanks. That white paper was very informative. Much appreciated!
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mata matosa What's that got to do with anythimg hmmm?
Big part of this videos comparing HDR to SDR and HDR10 to Dobly VISIO, are BS. How can I on a 6bit panel, emulating 8bit color depth, can se the diference too?
The biggest differences between the two are caused by bad Remastering of the HDR10 content. Obviusly, if you are paying for Dobly vision you are expecting to get proper support from the developors.
Solution: Get support for both if you can! My Denon AVR-4400H and my Vizio 65” 4K M65-E0 BOTH support HDR10 and Dolby Vision. 4K formats are still in a volatile state. TV is NO WHERE NEAR set to broadcast 4K content anytime soon. All we really have in terms of native content is Blu Ray discs and some select streaming. I know this post is a year old but the standard still isn’t rock solid yet. At this point, if I was looking for these kinds of products, I’d keep my options as open as I could. The reason I went with the Denon & Vizio is the price to performance ratio. The quality vs. the features. Luckily I can say I can support both for years to come without worrying it will be totally obsolete in a year or 2. Do your research before purchase folks! Dolby Vision is probably the better format overall visually but true 12 bit displays are few and far between and the format winner is usually determined on which is the easier to support at the time which is probably HDR10 right now.
I am getting the Lg NANO CELL 2019 TV AND IT HAS HDR 10 AND DOLBY VISON
Nice!!
Have the philips the one he has also both its nice
Wrong it supports hdr10 not hdr10+
@@grim86 who cares, HDR10+ is dying out completely only Samsung backs it
@@Dr.WhetFarts so dolby vision will have better picture quality on disney plus compared to hdr10?
I have the 2016 LG OLED C6P in 65 inch just like you. My concern is this, I have been reading the Dolby Vision in 2016 LG OLEDs only capable of 30Hz and not the 60Hz max needed for the new Apple TV 4K. Is it true? Please help clarify.
You said Rec2020 from DV. Rec2020 is an International standard and nothing to do with Dolby. Rec2020 color space applies to both 10 bit and 12 bit color mapping, and is used in HDR10. It just happens that displays today are just barely able to cover the majority of DCI P3 (Cinema standard), and producing close to 70% of Rec2020. We may see Rec2020 capable displays as early as 2020 (nice marketing tie), but not today regardless of DV.
I don't know where to ask this question, sorry. Well, if I buy 4k tv which doesnt support dolby atmos, and download movie in 4k resolution from torrent which says, for example- terminator uhd truehd atmos, will my tv play this movie? Thanks.
Thank goodness I just bought a simple 4K HDR tv. I learned my lesson with DVDHD vs Blu Ray. I bet on the wrong horse, I'm going to wait this one out.
That's a good plan Juan! There's even more HDR now, HLG, Technicolor, and HDR10+ will be out soon enough.
And how am I able to see those differences between DV & HDR 10 on my 1080p 7 years old display?!
Muhammad Haroon because it's processing and it's taking place on the tv that is being filmed
Unless you attached the wrong label to the pictures the HDR10 looked better but being that you only have a 10 bit tv anyway you wouldn't see the benefit of Dolby Vision. The difference between 8 and 10 bit is huge so the extra 2 bit from 10 to 12 will surely have a similar effect no?
And certainly a youtube video with the intense crunching youtube does, you just can't see ANY actual difference.
Good and instructive video but i was at the impression that dolby vision is not yet out and it will be only at 2020 and just one more question? Just beside you you got a speaker stand and i am looking for something like that can you tell me the name of the compagnie that does those please and sorry to disturb you with that
correction : SuperUHD LG tvs support both dolby vision and hdr10.
k2thedevil Yea the high end LG support Dolby!
Nicholas J. Paris yes so will Sony once higher end models start coming out as well every type of HDR as well.
Mike Johnson true. For some reason I don't see many Sony anymore.. Usually LG vs samsung
Thanks for the quick reply, I just have one more question , what kind of sound am I getting from my yamaha soundbar (ysp 1600) coming from Netflix watching Dolby vision compared to Xbox one s with its options for bitstream Dts, dd, Xbox won't decode 5.1?
LG OlED with Dolby Vision , Dolby Atmos and HDR , all three, is the way to go .
And after a year, you get some cool OLED burnin. So its really all 4 lol
Do you need a DolbyVision bluray player to take advantage of this or does the OLED tv automatically convert it to DBV?
+Mark Cox Hi! It will only display if the content is in Dolby Vision. When I watch Marco Polo on the TVs Netflix app, it shows a Dolby Vision logo in the upper right.
Techno Dad you want tv feature it all and computer soiled state hard drive google play store games streaming apps and ps now and ability use PS4 remote with tv and direct now later in year wait for Sony 2017 line come out and directv update for this app do out around late summer early fall. Is when 2016 and 2017 tv from Sony get android update to incorporate all this and far more.
Techno Dad I seen that same logo but if tv handle Dolby Vision with HDR10 or Dolby Vision with HDR or if tv support basic Dolby Vision you get best quality possible from content if tv HDR10 tv then it won't have same level detail overall picture will still be nice.
the Vizio P65 is the best bang for your buck that supports both formats right now.
i thought all sets that support dolby support hdr10
TCL P-series is also damn good.
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Agreed! If I could have afforded a several extra hundreds of dollars, that’s what I ideally would have gone with.
is there a technical reason why acoustic panels as on the walls in this video are orientated in alternating directions?
+Nachatar Dhaliwal Hi! No reason, other than I like the way it looks.
Thanks, dolby looks more real to life.i might be getting both,for different rooms.
Hi, can I ask you a question? I own Mitsubishi 73" DLP tv and lately the tv brightness and contrast has gone down. I've replaced the DLP chip along with the lamp and it's still the same. I've amped up the brightness and contrast all the way up and it's not what it used to be. Any suggestions?
***** Hi! Unfortunately, I have no idea what to do. The last time I owned a DLP was back in 2004/2005
Hello Techno Dad. Yeah I've had this tv for almost 10 years now. I guess it's time to upgrade to a new TV. It's too bad because everything is still great, just the color is dark and fading. Thank you for your reply!
***** No problem! I made a video about what to look for when shopping for a 4K UHD TV. Check it out sometime: ua-cam.com/video/aawfvLlT3kM/v-deo.html
I think HDR 10 IS perfect
Do you have any videos detailing out how you went about installing that sound dampening material in the background?
+ashams3 Hi! No I don't, but it's not that hard. I used a 3M adhesive spray and then just held each piece in place for about 30 seconds to 1 minute.
my lg has both
+donnie collins Nice! You're all set for the future!
donnie collins maybe but you been better off waiting for Sony OLED model A1E comes in 55 65 and 77 and pretty nice. Only two LG tv which handle HDR tech nicely but won't have Sony app selection do to fact Sony runs google latest android tv system. Those to LG are W7 and G7 unless want something more on level of 3 in half stars out five quality feature Dolby vision support and HDR picture which won't exceed HDR10 quality then E7 for you.
donnie collins same here, hate the edge lit banding though 😖
Mike Johnson the lg w7 oled has all the hdr formats as well.
Brandon Westover Note I stated they put w series panel into their A1 series OLED when it comes to Sony. Yet there no need for it or any panel I think. Since it uses no LED lighting of any kind. Instead it using totally independent self lighting pixels.
If I have a tv that supports hdr and hdr 10 plus but not Dolby vision will a blue ray player that supports Dolby vision play on my tv which has a 10 bit panel ?
Ahhhhh......this is what I needed :)
I'm glad it helped!
Hey Bro I have a question I have a Pioneer Elite lx301 and I seen on some forms that some AV receivers will need a firmware update to pass-through Dolby vision and then some people say you won't I'm confused I'm starting to have buyer remorse if the case can you help out what a answer or video?
Yeah, it's just something we have to wait for. I'm in the same boat. Will I get DV passthrough on my Denon? I don't know!!! We have to wait and see.
HDR10+ is the future.
+officialpartychannel I guess we will have to see. Vudu has partnered with Dolby, and is streaming 4K content with Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos. It's going to be an interesting ride!
Techno Dad but steaming.......
I agree with officialpartychannel, dolby has an advantage now but at the end of the day people and manufactures prefer to not spend money when possible so someone will bump up hdr10 to 12 bit eventually which... may I be honest? I have a 10 bit panel... like a real 10 bit 1440p monitor that doesn't need to do stupid HDR trickery to achieve what HDR is trying to do and when compared to my other 8 bit 1440p screen, I've never noticed a difference between the two until someone whips out a still image for me to look at and really take the time to look at it to see those differences and let me point this out, 10 bit removes all banding effects that might exist in a picture already. HDR might not be a gimmick (It is doing other things) but the extra bit of colors, those 12 bit over 10 (or even 8) is a gimmick, just one that is not going away anytime soon.
Come to think about it as I really do sit down and think of it, this is basically prologic all over again, the video itself is not in 10 or 12 bit, its in 8bit and a codec is sent to the TV along with it, dolby's software picks it up and decodes the signal. Its not at all a true 12 bits of color its just TRYING to convince you that it is 12 bits, just like prologic was not real surround sound. It was just trying to convince you it was.
It's highly dependent on the individual. I have sensitive eyes and can notice differences between monitors and panels immediately. (it's also not that hard to tell when a monitor is using dithering.) from a 6, 8, 10, or 12 bit panel it becomes much harder after 12~14 because of how smooth the gradients become. I have a large number of individuals who claim they cannot see a difference between 60 and 120~144 Hz. I can as well as some friends and family I know. I had at one time been called by my parents and asked why their PC on their 144 Hz monitor had become "slow" like everything had slowed down. They had been doing adjustments and accidentally reduced the refresh rate to 60. While they did not know it was the refresh rate that was impacted they could immediately tell that the rendering had slowed significantly just by minimizing a window. On a side note I have been calibrating monitors and TV's for years. Which may attribute to why I am so used to seeing the differences.
I have a question.
I just ordered a Denon 4K AV receiver. I'm about to order a 65" LG 4K OLED. I own the Xbox One X.
Since the TV and the Xbox One X will pass through the recever, doesn't the AV receiver have to support HDR10 or Dolby Vision or both?
+txmoney Hi! My Denon supports both. But you'll need an Oppo 203 4K player, playing a 4K Blu Ray that has Dolby Vision. Most other 4K Blu Rays will support HDR10. I'm pretty sure most of the Denons have HDR10 support. I have an AVR-X6300H, and that got the Dolby Vision update a month ago.
Techno Dad
Thanks! You're very helpful.
My Denon is the AVRS930H. After reading the specs, it supports both HDR10 and Dolby Vision.
I ordered the Oppo 4K blue ray player for the best blue ray presentation.
Glad I waited until now to upgrade my home theater. With your help, I believe all my components are now compatible.
You can't compare HDR10 and Dolby Vision on a LG OLED as HDR10 will just look inferior due to technical limitations. If you watch HDR10 content on a flagship Samsung TV then it's clear that 1.) HDR10 can look as detailed as Dolby Vision and 2.) current OLED TVs can't keep up in terms of brightness. Also there are currenty no mass market TVs available which feature a 12 Bit panel, so Dolby Vision will have to wait a few years longer to make best use of this format.
Samsung TVs don't do Dolby Vision, so you can't do this comparison on aSamsung. I'm still wondering why Samsung fanboys still bring up the brightness issue. The OLED can create a perfect black level, and therefore doesn't need to be as bright. Samsung has to have above 1500 nits to make anything that comes close. And if you watched the video, I stated twice that TVs now will not take full advantage of Dolby Vision.
Techno Dad agree with Sony new android update and new OLED you get both and lot more even if you have z9D
Techno Dad enough brightness is needed for hdr bro, this is not about fanboys.
young mille you can get everything nits needed and black levels and image quality using Sony OLED which uses X1 extreme imaging 8 core processor. With separate X1 extreme processor for android operating system tv runs. So you get amazing picture in every way and apps would load super fast as well. As well get all needed HDR formats needed and Dolby Vision support needed.
Mike Johnson it's just that will be too expensive, I own the ks8000 and I don't have any problem so far, it's a great tv.
What about a budget TV like TCL which has both? Are those any good?
Bruh, the lighting of your door is so distracting.
Yeah, that sucks
LG-UP970 ($280), Sony UBP-X800 ($300), Panasonic DMP-UB900 ($600) support Ultra Premium (HDR10)
Oppo UDP-203 ($550) or Oppo UDP-205 ($1300) supports both Ultra Premium (HDR10) and Dolby Vision (HDR12) 4K.
Great in-depth video.
+Rhonnel K. Forde Thank you!
I found the Tcl 65s401 from Walmart, does it support hdr10 for the Xbox one x? I have the tcl55607 already. Just want bigger TV. Please help!
Hi! I can't say for sure as all I can do is read what's on TCLs website. It says HDR, but in not sure if that's HDR10 and if it supports a wide color gamut.
10 more years and the display technologies will reach the quality of Panasonic/Pioneer PLASMA from 5 years ago.
+Ágoston Berkó haha! I had one of Panasonic's Kuro killer plasmas. It was awesome!!
But they were so heavy, and sensitive, Also the burn in was a real issue, especially if you used it to game or watched a lot of content with static images.
Also OLED will be much better.
cheddar07 that burn in was such a pain in the arse. I paid a shit load for my Pioneer plasma and it got screen burn after the first time I played a game on it. SO pissed off after that, having the hid from Mass effect on everything I watched 😠
Hello .!! Witch TV would you choose for 3000 euros? SONY KD55A1BAEP OLED , LOEWE bild 4.55 OLED , PANASONIC TX-55EZW954 OLED , LG 65B7D OLED , PHILIPS 55POS9002 ?? It will be used for Home Theater
Best is the Sony Z9D
Sony's X1 Extreme chip i the Z9D is awesome, and I can't wait to see that in the A1 OLED coming out later this spring. That may be one of the best PQ TVs in 2017. They are also supporting both Dolby Vision and HDR10 with the new A1.
Techno Dad correct get this it thanks to z9 there going be A1 OLED later in year they took Z9 tech to next level but unlike z9 which is for personal use A1 is for family use like my home where there 3 other people living in House. and there standard picture black levels and so on must be meet or be yelled at is why I pick Sony OLED because I get needed nits color brightness level black levels frame rate for my brother video games and my and dad get needed black levels for his sci-fi films and color and brightness needed for films like into heart of sea which mom likes. And I get Dolby Vision and hdr support needed for Netflix progress like crown and Dolby Vision with HDR10 for Netflix program Daredevil.
agree and they also use legendary imaging mapping tech. only normally projectors uses they been making for past ten year or more which they call bit-mapping how it perk I don't know. they say it supposed allow each pixel allow tv help to make more true to life images. instead on how much brightness and black levels the A1E OLED they are concentrating on how true to life images tv will show. note it have 3 years parts and labor and 24/7 tech support and troubleshooting help. so they say we will see once it hits market if all this is true.
LED tv wise it is Z9D
Mike Johnson Sony is using LG display oled panels. The g6 oled by LG for example far surpasses the uhd alliance requirements showing 99% of p3 colour; in terms of oled patents LG owns more than any of the other major tv companies the TVs come with 5 year warranty and 24/7 tech support with parts available for at least 5-7 years. The banding issues etc have been addressed with the 2016/17 oled's by LG the only downside is motion processing however it's barely noticeable. Sound wise harman kardon speakers are with LG's TVs which give surprisingly good sound and format wise they support both hdr standards with a update coming soon for HLG etc.
Don't get me wrong Sony make good tv's but specs are one thing real world performance another and LG is known for higher customer satisfaction and longer support for products.
Unfortunately my lg 4k tv has Dolby vision but isn't compatible with x box one x can't think why
This is all a gimmick only the experts can see a difference don't fall for the BS people
I have seen OLED's running HDR and it looks amazing for movies. Blacks look jet black and colors look look really bright but it all looks life like and realistic.
Okay I own a Sony XBR 4K 800G when I'm watching a cable channel movie in HDR10 how come when I hit display it shows 1080p and not 2160p
Cable is only 1080p SDR. HDR is usually only with 4K like from the Netflix or Vudu app on the X800G.
How are you viewing 12bit on a 10bit screen? Should that be downscaled to 10bit anyway? And those gradient examples are the same. The reason why you dont see any breaks in the gradient in the "12bit" version is because of dithering.
Do LG TVs come with both I have a lg 65” uj65uj40 I was wondering does my tv have both
+Aman Lakhat I think only the higher end LCDs and OLEDs come with both.
can a 12 bit color source be displayed on a 10 bit panel without losing depth?
what is the relation between the panel capability and the color space? i mean, all current 4K TVs hace 10 bit panels. so I dont understand how you can get 12 bit colors out of them without mapping the 12 bit source to a 10 bit panel thus 'losing' the 12 bit color option.
Great questions...no real answer for that. I guess TVs need to catch up to technology.
6:07-6:11 that Sony Vegas Pro?
Thanks for the comparison. Can you tell me where to buy the sound panels on your walls? Thanks
Hello, I have a question, I bought a 4k satellite reciever which is non HDR or Dolby vision, it's normal 4k, my TV also is 4k non HDR too, so the picture is 4k but the colors are so bad, specially the black color, my question is,, if I buy an HDR TV and avtive the HDR option on the non HDR source like my 4k receiver, this will give more color and black depth?
Hi! Yeah, a little bit. My OLED has an "HDR effect picture mode. It looks pretty good with cable content.
Techno Dad is your cable 4k and non HDR? Have you tried it with a 4k channel non HDR?
So my question is what is HDR Pro is that HDR 10 or HDR 10 + Dolby Vision or is it just a cool name for just regular HDR. Im looking at 3 TVs now the LG UJ630V, the TCL P2US, and the TCL C2US. Im in the middle east and ive noticed that the tv models here usually different from the ones in North America for example. It also says on some product boxes *available in certain regions* so im trying to find the best TV for me right now but its hard because like i said the tv model numbers are different and there arent any sources on the internet that i can rely on and being in the middle east we always get scaled down products. I would appreciate it if u could answer my first regarding HDR tho, thanks
+triggamanful Hi!! It is difficult to tell what's going on with all these models around the world. HDR Pro as LG calls it, is supposed to be a screen that meets HDR10 specs. LG's HDR Super is a TV that has both HDR10 and Dolby Vision. HDR10+ is something new that isn't out on most TVs yet. I looked up that LG630V, and it looks good. You get HDR10 and HLG (new type of HDR). That should get you started! I couldn't find much on the TCLs you mentioned. Hope that helps!!
Techno Dad it helped a lot as a matter of fact thanks. Appreciate u bro
Wait a minute, If I recall desktop computers have been able to output 16bit & 32bit color since before I can remember, has it really taken 20+ years to get a display that can take advantage of it?
Excellent video man, answered many of my questions. Good job, keep it up!
+Roberto Lopez Thanks for watching!!
You're awesome! Love all your videos, I always learn something new. Thanks for taking the time to make these great videos. 👍
You're welcome Doc, glad you like them!
If you get a UHD disc with just Dolby Vision no HDR, but your tv/projector only supports HDR10 will there be any improvements to picture or will all UHD discs have HDR10 by default on top of Dolby Vision?
I don't think so...Vudu streams 4k UHD with Dolby Vision...but when I tried to watch a movie like that on my HDR10 TV, there is no HDR being sent to the TV because Dolby Vision is not supported through my budget 4K TV.
Great video. I Am a big videophile myself. I had a question regarding your opinion on what is the most accurate HDR on lg Oled there are three options?
+Michael Baron Hi! I would say Dolby Vision. 2017 models are supposed to have 4. HDR10, HLG, Dolby Vision, and Technicolor. I believe technicolor is still not released for them yet.
Which mobile can read NTFS driver inbuilt without any 3rd paty apps ?
& it can play smoothly 12bit (hevc) 4k / 1080p NTFS torrent movie file (more than 4gb)
Does HDR work on 1080p? Like in case of netflix, if I stream a show (which is available in 4K HDR) at 1080p on a 4K HDR TV, will HDR still work?
+Ishan Bansal I don't think any HDR is available with a 1080p monitor, I think it has to be 4K
Techno Dad Alright, thanks for this video!!
Ishan Bansal Yes it does, Xbox one S HDR games are 1080p.
Ishan Bansal But I believe the Xbox must be set to output in 4K
hey great video. i have a question for you regarding my signal from my e6 oled to my denon receiver. i also use my oppo 203 for 4 k blurays. so my question is, how can i get dolby vision when im playing movies on my oppo, it shows hdr only since its going through my receiver. But, when i connect my hdmi from my tv straight to my oppo, it shows dolby vision. basically when the signal is passing through my receiver its out putting it only as hdr. if you could help , id appreciate it. thanks again and great video as always!
If i have a tv that only supports HDR10, will dolby vision content still scale down to hdr10?
+Gershon Dharmanandan Hi! Great question, the answer is yes!
ok thanks, thats awesome...
+Gershon Dharmanandan That's for any 4K UHD disc from a 4K player. However, streaming services like Vudu will only support DV. It will not downgrade to HDR10, you just won't get any content in HDR through Vudu.
Techno Dad thanks. What about Netflix and Amazon prime video?
+Gershon Dharmanandan Netflix will use both formats. I'm not sure with Amazon prime video.
I want a tv that supports Dolby vision, but what if I happen to watch content that is only supported in hdr10 ?
I got hdr10 and dolby vision support on my lg tv.i thought i thought dolby vision and hdr 10 are the same thing,only different names.anyway,i got both of them on the same tv.so what does that means
You did good!
hi, good afternoon. I just bought a Samsung 55ks9000, it's great and watching a lot of videos I can calibrate and the colors are so great; but there is a problem, in dark scenes not all, there is a white cloud that doesn't like me and I can't fix it... can you help me please?
Roberto G.
Hi! That's just an issues you'll get with LCD TVs. Thank kind of clouding is normal, especially in the dark scenes.
thanks.
at 5:04 you ask "should I get an LG Super UHD TV that only has HDR10?".
This is an inaccurate statement.
My LG 65UH7700 (2016) specs: "HDR10 Super w/ Dolby Vision™" (www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-65UH7700-4k-uhd-tv)
Thanks!
Wow this video is still up after 6 years. Impressive.
Hah! This is an old one for sure.
I recently just bought Sony 930e and the question is will the Dolby vision work on playing 4K games or just only blu-ray movies and Netflix ?
Hi! So far the Dolby Vision update that occurred for all Sony's with the X1 Extreme chip will not accept a DV signal through HDMI unless it's from the Apple TV 4K running the development software and a beta build. You can get DV only from streaming apps native to the TV.
I’m saying will DV work on 4K gaming as well, or just movies and Netflix only ?
On oled lg for Dolby vision, do I set pixel lighting to 50 or 100????
it is usually standard 100
@@emre05x it's just I'm getting alot of mixed answers about having it on 50 or 100 for dv.
Carrera4K if you have dolby vision content, set it to cinema mode with light 100. For all other content use expert dark room and leave it at 50. rtings.com will give you a proper idea for correct settings.
I don't know why this doesn't have more views. great explanation and content. just subbed.
+Keegbot Plays Thank you so much!! I'm glad you found it informative!
What are some good 4K tv with both I’m struggling to find a good 4K tv
Hi! What price range are you in? Have you seen this video: ua-cam.com/video/C8AWW9HICMY/v-deo.html
Where did you get those foam squares for your walls and door?
Hi! It's Auralex acoustic treatment. I got the 24"x24" panels. amzn.to/2EOxv4P
Techno Dad thank you
You're welcome!
If the Xbox one s only supports hdr 10 why does it have a 12 bit color option and can you use it if your TV runs dolby vision
+brandon harriger I would assume that since you need licensing from Dolby, it would not work until that happened. Even off the XB1S can output 12bit color, Microsoft needs to have a deal with Dolby, and I think Dolby has a chip that needs to be in the TV, so that might be the same with the XB1S
Techno Dad true but it only matters if got Xbox.
isn't every content we see on tvs supposed to be sRGB? so what exactly is the purpose of having a larger colour gamut when there isn't any content to support such a huge variety of colours?
+Milos Pavlovic great question! I think they are getting everyone ready for the TVs upcoming in the next couple of years that are actually 12bit panels and can take advantage of the wider color gamut.
Techno Dad true 12 bit is better like 55 and 65 OLED from Sony will be with up to 1,000 nits while 77 will have 14 bit panel with dynamic range enhancer which they nick named supper image bit mapping which been combined with there x-reality pro imaging engine. For greater depth detail and image clarity. which will allow tv do 1,050 nits. Meaning this is smoking expensive and item going be everyone with home theater what do I put projector or tv answer that question answer tv that how good it supposed be we see around may June if be as good as specs sound.
Does the ONZIO-TX RZ830 contain the Dolby Vision feature
Onkyo
Hi! It says it does on Amazon (amzn.to/2U1ExaG)
can I watch a dolby movie on the xboxone s and would it work with the oled b6?
+no morepictures Hi! No it will revert to HDR10 since it does not support DV.
Dolby says that if you buy a TV with dolby vision is future proof is it true? On the new 2017 LG oled tv uses a 10 bit screen so how can it out put 12 bit?
Jesus Santoyo LG junk. Only get support as long tv made and under policy.
why you say LG is junk?
Jesus Santoyo simple imaging panel don't exceed 800 nits that for E6 and E7 and w series come near 1000 nits brightness and color and contrast. When it comes to OLED. UH9500 super UHD tv can reach 1,000 nits of color brightness and contrast but black levels are average. and very limited features wise app wise gaming through tv none. No android operating system or support for new service from directv coming later in year. No big improvement and after one year parts of your tv discontinued once your tv no longer made. 2nd no tech support if tv isn't under warranty as well as the parts. Unless you are willing pay 48.00 US dollars.
so should I buy a Samsung tv, wait for the new Sony oled tv or just wait 1 more year or 2 to buy a tv?
Jesus Santoyo wait intel Sony finish release all 2017 tv's then pick one which best suits you. As well your standard and needs.
Hey What’s the difference between 4k and 4k certified please?!! Can someone tell me. Like when you see the filters for TVs you see 4k, then you see 4k certified?
What filters are you talking about? I've been reviewing 4K TVs for the past four years on this channel and the only item I see "4K Certified" on cables.
Techno Dad Like in Websites like Argos man😂. You can use the filters and I see two types of 4k. One is 4k UHD and the other is 4k UHD Certified. This is confusing me??! I think the 4k UHD likes to pixel shift or something like that stole the 4k UHD certified is true 4k or something like that.😅
Techno Dad Bro it says tv motion rate is 50? So is that 50hz? Also in Samsung it’s 2000pqi?
I have PlayStation 4 Pro and Xbox One S and will probably upgrade to Scorpio. I want to get a 4k TV around 49 to 55" screen. Any recommendations good people?
Maybe Sony's 49" X900E??
Robert Morgan im probably going to pull the trigger on Sonys 900e soon waiting for the 49" to come on sale at best buy. the xbox one x is about to get real!
GERGENATER I have over £1500 saved so just need to pick the tv I want.
Thanks for tilting up enough so I can see that you have a fire alarm above the door! I often wonder if UA-cam creators have proper fire detectors... and yes 12 bit is plenty of the compression is good
What season/episode of Marco Polo is that? I would like to also compare at home.
I think it's one of the first episodes in Season 1
What if i will play my dolby vision movie From apple tv to my 4k hdr tv? Do i get to see hdr/dolby vison/ normal 4k ?
Thanks for this video, awesome job! So hopefully you have time and maybe can give me some input. I bought the Sony 900E last June. I love the TV so much, it has high end specs and quality for a price that can’t be beat. But my question is... should I upgrade from 2017 Sony to the Sony 2018 900F That has Dolby Vision.
I know the 900F isn’t out for yet, but in general is upgrading my 2017 to the newer Dolby 2018 tv really going to change my life? Again just curious on what you think. Thanks. 🙂✌️
Hi! I don't think it's worth it. Not sure what size you bought last year, but the 55" 900F is $1,500 this year.
Techno Dad Thank you so much for your input... I’m only considering it because I got my 900E for only $850, (I work for Best Buy and was given a big discount by Sony.) So instead of paying $1,700, I paid a great price.
This year Sony will offer another 50% off deal for Sony and BBY employees so I could get the new one for $750. Again that’s the only reason why I’m even asking if I should. Thanks again though for you advice. 🙂👍✌️
Hey techno dad, Im thinking about to get a new TV with HDR but my budget only allows me to choose between the LG 55UH6500 and the Samsung 55KU6300. which one you think I should get? keep up the good work!
+Diogo Viriato Hi! Thank you for watching! I was going to get a Samsung KU series, but i found out that the KU series doesn't support HDR10, so I then went with the LG 49UH6500, which does support HDR10. Hope that helps!
Diogo Viriato lg man
donnie collins no you get stuck with same features and and abilities it can only fix glitches and updates app when needed that it that why I picked Sony OLED android tv so that wouldn't happen. So in few years I wouldn't have to go out and get another tv. With android just update and good to go.
Hii
Is there in the market any 4k dolby vision movies on disc that i can buy?
Hamoud Neda Hi there Despicable Me and Despicable Me 2 are both released on 4k blu ray with Dolby Vision on June 5th 2017.
The next Dolby Vision 4k blu ray after that is Resident Evil Vendetta which is released on July 18th 2017.
+Hamoud Neda Chinda has the info! We are still waiting for a player that supports DV. So far the Oppo UDP-203 and the LG UP970 are supposed to get DV support through a firmware update.
Chinda Ajoku can you tell the website with the information to the release of 4k blu ray movies that support dolby vision ?
Techno Dad Chinda Ajoku can you tell the website with the information to the release of 4k blu ray movies that support dolby vision ?
But UA-cam does not accept Dolby. They convert your Dolby video to HRD10. Right?
Doesn't the x800 have Dv support? And what does UI stand for
No DV support. The rumor was going around, but there haven't been anything lately. User Interface is pretty lame on the Sony when compared to the other players. But that's what I don't like about it. Otherwise it's a straight forward player.
Very interesting video, and thank you for posting it, I'm waiting on the new Sony oled a1e, but as we all know, it will be very expensive, what model is your oled tv?
+neker rivera Hi! Thanks for watching! Yeah, the Sony will be a tough competitor for sure. I have the LG E6 OLED, which retails for $4K, but I got mine for a little over $3k.
Is it good with motion picture, I mean no judder or jitter, I used to own the c6, but I returned because of that problem, I tried everything to correct it, but no luck, I would like to get e6, but because of what I went through with the c6, now I'm hesitating to get it.
I totally get it. I was advised to get the E6 from my guy at Best Buy because it has a better processor which handles motion a lot better. I don't notice any judder or jitter when watching football games.
Techno Dad I love watching movies with motionflow set to smooth , and that was when the judder happened, do you noticed that with your TV set to smooth?
I don't use TruMotion. I always have that off on every picture mode and input. I might be able to try it out and see this weekend.
So is LG active HDR = HDR 10 hlg and Dolby Vision or not Dolby Vision?
I think it supports all three formats.
Techno Dad i tested one Yesterday and in Europe are those 3 Not avaible in these models but some have but only those which also say it .
If the eye can only see between 7 and 10 million distinct colors (depending on which google-derived article you read), what good is a video source (eg. a TV) that can display 1.7 or 68.68 billion different tones? The human eye will not be able to utilize any of the enhancements? Or am I missing somethnig? (Great video, btw!)
LG’s 2017 65uj7700 offers Dolby Vision in a side-lit local dimming LED IPS. I know it is not ideal, however it is thousands less than the upper echelon 65” oleds that offer Dolby vision support. The question is this, while watching Okja on Netflix, the Dolby vision image setting automatically activated. However, there is no way to know what are the more advanced D65 (6500K white balance) settings to manipulate on this specific image setting for the most accurate color? Knowing that Rtings.com’s settings recommendation was for SDR and UHD, what is there by way of calibration files to use when Dolby Vision settings of any supported TV are toggled (something along the lines of a Spears & Musil type media file encoded in Dolby Vision with gradients and color swatches to manipulate contrast, brightness, color settings and the like for your viewing room to get as close to D65 on Dolby Vision content)?
I'm watching this almost 3 years later because I need a new TV. So as a gamer, I am still not interested in investing thousands into a set that doesn't do both formats. It seems that HDR 10+ is the upgrade that still falls short or evens Dolby Vision?
Thanks for an informative video. I’ve been tossing and turning about the Samsung Q80T vs. the LG NANO91, and ended up going for the LG, which has Dolby Vision. However, the Samsung seems to come out on top in all the reviews. So my question is; now that I’ve got a tv which supports Dolby Vision, will I ever need HDR10 instead? I.e. are there any benefits of HDR10 that Dolby Vision does not have?
I have the 85inch Q80T instead of the LG OLED 77 inch which is double the price of Q80t and smaller in size. I'm glad I went to Samsung and I'm really happy with it's picture quality specially the blacks are more inky now than the previous model, OLED maybe a bit better in blackas but for double the price difference and small size? No thank you. I rather spend that money for my Audio system instead.
i have a SAMSUNG UE40MU6100 40" Smart 4K Ultra HD HDR which hdr is this?
found out it has 10bit, the audio is dolby but i cant find anything on what hdr it is
Samsung is not on board with Dolby Vision, so you have HDR10.
Techno Dad ah ok thanks for the replay, I don't get it at all as I can see the highlights and the extra dirt etc, so is hdr 10 as good as Dolby? , Although with Dolby I'd not be able to do anything haha, as I use my TV for Xbox, ps4, blu ray and PC gaming
+The Aces Dolby Vision changes settings every scene. HDR10 will keep all the settings the same throughout the movie.
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Does PS4 Pro/Xbox One s get any benifit from Dolby Vision ?
+Souvik Chakraborty They only support HDR10, so no.
It’s 2019, 2 years later, lol...and we still don’t have 12 bit TVs...and probably won’t for a long time. To have that much color you need a really high quality panel that is super expensive to make.
Which episode has that riding in dusk scene?
Hi! It's been so long since I made this video, I can't really say. Maybe later in the season?
Get a VIZIO TV, the M series and the P series support both HDR10 and DolbyVision. Content with both HDR formats look amazing on the VIZIO TV's.
Awesome! Which model do you have?
Techno Dad, I have both the VIZIO M80-D3 and the VIZIO P75-C1. For 4K UHD Blu-ray movies with HDR I prefer the 80 inch, for games and computer usage I prefer the 75 inch. Both have amazing HDR reproduction, I recommend both TV's.
Wow! That's awesome! Thanks for chiming in! I actually like my smaller 49" 4K TV for gaming. The 65" OLED is nice, but just a bit too big. Gaming doesn't work well when you have to move your head left to right to see the screen, hahahaha! What are you using for 4K UHD Blu-Ray player?
Techno Dad OLED is the best and if I could afford $20,000 for the 77" I'd be all over it, but since I cannot afford that and because my couch is 10 feet from my TV the 75" is perfect and I don't have to move my head at all.
Nice! Yeah, I got my E6 for almost $1K off the sale price, so I was pretty stoked!