The different implementations in the KaOS version of Calamares are indeed done by demm, who is the mastermind behind it. You can find those QML modules in the KaOS repo, in case you like to adopt them.
You can type "echo $0" to see what shell is currently running. A $0 is special parameter in POSIX compliant shells which indicates currently running process. If you run it in a shell script, it will print script's name, e.g. "./test.sh", but when run in shell's prompt it will print "bash" in this case.
you can also do "echo $SHELL". The SHELL environment variable is automatically set by the login system to the shell that the login system puts you into
But if you dont run 'neofetch', have you even looked at a distro? Jokes aside, great work as always. Thanks for bringing this distribution to the masses' attention. I had never known about it until I saw your video on it and it definitely looks interesting 🙂
Ugggh! ya beat me to it, LOL. Great review & I didn't know about the pronunciation. I would have been calling it "chaos" the whole review just to get barbecued in the comments, 😛
The problem with KaOS is, that you do not see a team behind the project, so people are discouraged with kind of "one-man" distros. Otherwise, it is a very clean, powerful, and stable system, tried it several times also in a long run, and one can get most software e.g. by including Flatpak plus their own user repo.
The main reason why KaOS is not more popular is because it is too niche. It has a limited amount of packages, it supports only QT apps, because of it being KDE only, and last but not least, is it's own thing, many people won't be able to install many things (like nvidia drivers, like office tools that actually need and are not QT, etc).
@cheese just checked, Gimp is there and Inkscape is there, both Gtk applications. I can’t think of any other Gtk application that doesn’t have a comparable Qt alternative but I see what you mean.
I have a dual-monitor setup, and I usually put the panel on the right side of my left monitor or on the left side of my right monitor (I use only one panel despite 2 monitors). The idea is to keep it roughly in the center of my workspace for it to be equally accessible no matter where the mouse cursor currently is. But when I used just one monitor, I've always kept my panel on the right side, it just felt more convenient, so I don't really get the criticism towards this decision. Are panels on the right too weird for most people?
I do exactly the same for the same reason. I don't think it's weird, it's just not the "standard". Let the OS adapt to your workflow, not the opposite.
Probably someone has already posted this, but the word "croeso" is Welsh for "welcome". Roughly, it's pronounced "croy - saw". As a Welsh person I'd be interested to find out why they decided to use a Welsh word for that...
Yeah, interesting distro. Same architecture as Google Fuchsia but on library level. Fuchsia now became default OS on the Nest and will soon replace Android and ChromeOS.
Used it for 7 years. Wonderful, limited in packages. Learned packaging through it and its nice developer. Now happy with Garuda, which offers all that KaOS has (for me) and more packages, plus btrfs preconfigured with great snapshot support for easy restorations after failed updates.
btw.. it's core looks really strong for hardcore devlopment. It contains samba's ppp, perl, both python version, most encryption stuff, incl argon2, and many other intersting libs. So it's Lean & Mean.
Not to pick on here, but all these languages and tools can be installed with majority of distros with one liner after installation. Imo all Linux disto is well qualified for development.
@@therealslimaddy yeah agree. Similar, you can also do great development on both VOID and Garuda. Besides, it depends where you come from. Starting a new system isn't the same as maintaining a system over time. The installer also allows for a minimal install. And/or installing without a bootloader.
I had some desktop keyboard with a calculator button, email, internet, volume down, volume up, mute. Most of the buttons worked under Linux. Perhaps there is a standard?
I really don't like their login manager. Really easy to over-the-shoulder spy a password, by showing the character before hiding it. Your strong and secure password was leaked, DT!
The taskbar belongs to the right side. You are wrong. Even if you do most of your stuff in the top-left corner, how often do you want to click stuff on the taskbar? You usually use shortcuts to change between windows, and you only sometimes start new programs. The taskbar on the right side looks much more clean and balanced.
Croeso is Welsh for welcome. Wales is the country right next to England. Wales is part of the United Kingdom. Welsh is a very old Celtic language still spoken in Wales today. Welsh is also spoken in Argentina the Patagonia area.
It looks quite polished. Also, it is based on KDE which has the most developed interface and also other apps, like Kate, KSysGuard, Dolphin. I wish the KSysGuard was more configurable.
i switched after my Mageia 8 buggered itself about 3 days ago. Love it so far as it had the nvidia drivers dkms and that pre part of install. I tried for three days with Solus, Gecko and a few others trying to get a nvidia driver to stick and this just worked right away. lovely independent os. not used to kde but getting around things. limited repos but managed some flatpak workarounds with 80% success. Shot DT for the review.
If I have a nickel for every time something started with a K and ended in OS and should have been read chaos instead of kay-oh-ess I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird it's happened twice. A game I play (Kerbal Space Program) has a programming mod called KOS
The current ISO boots, but crashes randomly to a black screen and it is impossible to install (yes have verified checksum, and its in a VM so no USB). Apparently they are having issues. Any idea where I can get an older ISO?
Also I like doing things with a different layout, my own version of "controlled chaos." But is it possible to rename the "welcome" application to something more fitting besides the "kro-..." because I don't even know how it's spelled. Or, when you are looking at the icon just drag it into the dock so you don't have to search for it and risk forgetting its name?
That's what I thought too, what advantage does running this give me over running Tumbleweed? nothing, it would actually be a disadvantage, I could understand it if it brought something new to the table.
I think it is good there could be so many choices. However it also fragments the community. As an enthusiast, it is cool and fun but as a working professional, I usually look for a system that is more commonly used. Probably due to my belief that the system is more tested by the crowds. There are thousands of distress and more keep coming but overall i always wonder what is better about it. If just the theme, then not worth to switch. But I think it's cool that there are many options but to answer the prompt question, maps probably doesn't get as much attention since there are so many options.
But can it run Java Minecraft and Bedrock Minecraft for Android through Anbox? Pretty much everything else I can do with what is available, especially if I don't have to worry about an Nvidia card and drivers.
You know, about the left side panel, I guess they might be looking ahead to all those apps that are moving their menu bars to a sandwich button at the upper right side. Almost all important browsers already did that move as well as most of the important gtk programs. Maybe that's what future is going to be 😜
@cheese I meant Garuda is way more customized and an already nice selection of applications. And that Garuda was buggy like 2 years ago, but I downloaded their last release and just love it.
i have noticed with kde, changing the theme requires a logout and login for full changes to reflect. Tried installing chrome from their inbuilt software manager and it fails. In fact even Firefox failed to install. Only light themes seem to work properly. Black themes don't seem to cover the buttons. The desktop is not active in terms of mouse selection and icons. Xgamma does not seem to work either. There is no gamma adjustment in this os like in kubuntu. I tried xgamma -gamma 1.2 and nothing happens. Very few wallpapers. Great looking os but i wouldn't want to live with it. Kubuntu is thousand times better.
11:11 DT you haven't tried NVIDIA and Mate yet... You have a completely unusable desktop with screen tearing like no one's business. It's so bad, you can't see anything. Plasma is a blessing in comparison
Muon package manager when on KDE. It's Synaptic for KDE. Personally I don't like KDE. To many bugs and other issues. Take 5.25 for instance. It already had 2 point releases.
Its a great distro if you don't want to run anything but what they feed you.. you can't run Wine on it if you need older windoze 32bit ware - it will run wine64 bit - but most people who need wine, don't need it for 64 bit ware. Its too disfunctional compared to something like fedora or manjaro.
i mean cool I guess? But why? Seriously why? Honestly what need does this fill? I mean really thier is only 3 distro Arch, Debian, and fedora.. Everything for the most part is just a spin off of them Ps You can say Gentoo but that distro is for people that dont value ones time
The fact that it isn’t pronounced “chaos” is your first clue; marketing fail. I’m now guessing KA is some self-absorbed dev’s initials. I tried KaOS a few years ago and the package repository was very limited as others have pointed out.
They have a added a nice touch to the Calamares installer. Never seen that implementation used of selecting packages and selecting your timezone
@cheese Arcolinux has more options too. But agreed they added a nice GUI look to it.
The different implementations in the KaOS version of Calamares are indeed done by demm, who is the mastermind behind it.
You can find those QML modules in the KaOS repo, in case you like to adopt them.
the right handed taskbar follows the BeOS/Haiku Tasker
also: croeso is Welsh for welcome
You can type "echo $0" to see what shell is currently running. A $0 is special parameter in POSIX compliant shells which indicates currently running process.
If you run it in a shell script, it will print script's name, e.g. "./test.sh", but when run in shell's prompt it will print "bash" in this case.
you can also do "echo $SHELL". The SHELL environment variable is automatically set by the login system to the shell that the login system puts you into
But if you dont run 'neofetch', have you even looked at a distro?
Jokes aside, great work as always. Thanks for bringing this distribution to the masses' attention. I had never known about it until I saw your video on it and it definitely looks interesting 🙂
Ugggh! ya beat me to it, LOL. Great review & I didn't know about the pronunciation. I would have been calling it "chaos" the whole review just to get barbecued in the comments, 😛
I think not it's unfortunate that KaOS isn't pronounced as "chaos". After all, "chaos" and "Linux" are synonymous. :D
@@DistroTube Ha, touche! In chaos there is beauty.
They just wanted to create a little chaos for those who want to call it that. Joke's on them, I'll call it how I want to anyway! Lol!
Hey DT. You're a cool guy. I love your videos. Recently found your channel.
Keep up the great work. 👍
Hey, thanks!
Croeso is welcome in Welsh (phonetically: Kroyso).
The problem with KaOS is, that you do not see a team behind the project, so people are discouraged with kind of "one-man" distros.
Otherwise, it is a very clean, powerful, and stable system, tried it several times also in a long run, and one can get most software e.g. by including Flatpak plus their own user repo.
The main reason why KaOS is not more popular is because it is too niche. It has a limited amount of packages, it supports only QT apps, because of it being KDE only, and last but not least, is it's own thing, many people won't be able to install many things (like nvidia drivers, like office tools that actually need and are not QT, etc).
It offers to install Firefox and Chrome for you from the get go, pretty sure they're not Qt based applications.
@cheese just checked, Gimp is there and Inkscape is there, both Gtk applications. I can’t think of any other Gtk application that doesn’t have a comparable Qt alternative but I see what you mean.
@cheese also Flatpak is available so you can install any Gnome application that way.
the main reason is it brings literally nothing new to the table
BRO
Croeso (pronounced Croy-so) is Welsh for "Welcome" :)
I have a dual-monitor setup, and I usually put the panel on the right side of my left monitor or on the left side of my right monitor (I use only one panel despite 2 monitors). The idea is to keep it roughly in the center of my workspace for it to be equally accessible no matter where the mouse cursor currently is. But when I used just one monitor, I've always kept my panel on the right side, it just felt more convenient, so I don't really get the criticism towards this decision. Are panels on the right too weird for most people?
I do exactly the same for the same reason. I don't think it's weird, it's just not the "standard". Let the OS adapt to your workflow, not the opposite.
This was featured on Distrowatch. The taskbar on the right hand side throws me off, but it looks pretty cool.
Well, all you have to do is move it to the bottom if you want.....
@@kavinunethsarakoswattage3516 You're absolutely correct, it's just my first impression when I seen the desktop for the first time.
8:30 that is Welsh. It means Welcome. Maybe the distro is maintained by someone from Wales?
Probably someone has already posted this, but the word "croeso" is Welsh for "welcome". Roughly, it's pronounced "croy - saw". As a Welsh person I'd be interested to find out why they decided to use a Welsh word for that...
demm just went through the words for "welcome" and stuck with it, if I remember correctly
Mwy na ddebyg un ohonynt yn siarad yr iaeth Cymraeg.
Yeah, interesting distro. Same architecture as Google Fuchsia but on library level. Fuchsia now became default OS on the Nest and will soon replace Android and ChromeOS.
> and will soon replace Android and ChromeOS
No.
Fuchsia might never replace Android, ChromeOS idk
I don't think, so because Android 13 is on the way.
How "on the library level"??
Used it for 7 years. Wonderful, limited in packages. Learned packaging through it and its nice developer.
Now happy with Garuda, which offers all that KaOS has (for me) and more packages, plus btrfs preconfigured with great snapshot support for easy restorations after failed updates.
btw..
it's core looks really strong for hardcore devlopment. It contains samba's ppp, perl, both python version, most encryption stuff, incl argon2, and many other intersting libs.
So it's Lean & Mean.
Not to pick on here, but all these languages and tools can be installed with majority of distros with one liner after installation. Imo all Linux disto is well qualified for development.
@@therealslimaddy yeah agree.
Similar, you can also do great development on both VOID and Garuda. Besides, it depends where you come from. Starting a new system isn't the same as maintaining a system over time.
The installer also allows for a minimal install. And/or installing without a bootloader.
Croeso is Welcome in Welsh if im not mistaken
It is, very odd
Correct! Da iawn!
My Dell Latitude laptop has a calculator button right on the keyboard, works with Ubuntu right out of the box. No need for a shortcut there for sure.
I had some desktop keyboard with a calculator button, email, internet, volume down, volume up, mute.
Most of the buttons worked under Linux. Perhaps there is a standard?
@@louistournas120 Perhaps in dbus, I am not 100% sure. I know many laptops in the past didn't work quite right with shortcuts but yes perhaps
for that gletch u could change it from colors
I really don't like their login manager. Really easy to over-the-shoulder spy a password, by showing the character before hiding it. Your strong and secure password was leaked, DT!
Yeah I noticed that in the installer. That's really bad from a security standpoint.
Hey distrotube thanks for you awesome videos on open source. 😃😃😃😃😃. You awesome.
Croeso is welcome in Welsh.... I don't know why they would choose that unless they were based here 😂
This reminds me of Chakra.
The taskbar belongs to the right side. You are wrong.
Even if you do most of your stuff in the top-left corner, how often do you want to click stuff on the taskbar? You usually use shortcuts to change between windows, and you only sometimes start new programs.
The taskbar on the right side looks much more clean and balanced.
Croeso = You are welcome. It's Welsh
Na... just welcome.
“Croeso” is Welsh for “welcome.”
What benefit would you get running this over tumbleweed, you can run a pure Qt desktop on tumbleweed if you want.
8:20 Croeso is the Welsh word for Welcome!
Croeso is Welsh for welcome. Wales is the country right next to England. Wales is part of the United Kingdom. Welsh is a very old Celtic language still spoken in Wales today. Welsh is also spoken in Argentina the Patagonia area.
Croeso means welcome in welsh so its still unusual but yet being named welcome
You skipped KCP on wellcome screen- an AUR alternative
It looks quite polished. Also, it is based on KDE which has the most developed interface and also other apps, like Kate, KSysGuard, Dolphin.
I wish the KSysGuard was more configurable.
Ksysguard is not used anymore, they have an alternative now, check it out ✌🏻
@@matthiasschuster9505 I run Kubuntu 22.04 and it comes with something. The program's name is not displayed. I guess it is called System Monitor now?
For lean KDE Plasma using a more mainstream Debian base, try Neptune 7 or Q4OS 4.8
Neat little distro and kudos for being independent. But the competition is gigantic. KDE Neon, Kubuntu, OpenSUSE. Hard to beat these juggernauts.
i switched after my Mageia 8 buggered itself about 3 days ago. Love it so far as it had the nvidia drivers dkms and that pre part of install. I tried for three days with Solus, Gecko and a few others trying to get a nvidia driver to stick and this just worked right away. lovely independent os. not used to kde but getting around things. limited repos but managed some flatpak workarounds with 80% success. Shot DT for the review.
I'm still using Debian and I'm very happy with it 😉♥️🍾
Cool! Debian is great
@@alexs5102 👍😎😉
Aside the name choice I found that welcome screen wonderful.
If I have a nickel for every time something started with a K and ended in OS and should have been read chaos instead of kay-oh-ess I'd have two nickels.
Which isn't a lot but it's weird it's happened twice.
A game I play (Kerbal Space Program) has a programming mod called KOS
Damn, TIL!
Actually, putting the panel on the right makes some sense. I use dual monitors, so the panel is at the middle of the two monitors
K3B my love
"Croeso" is Welsh for "Welcome"
The current ISO boots, but crashes randomly to a black screen and it is impossible to install (yes have verified checksum, and its in a VM so no USB). Apparently they are having issues. Any idea where I can get an older ISO?
Never heard of k3b thx for that
Apparently "croeso" is welcome as you deduced. It is Welsh.
Also I like doing things with a different layout, my own version of "controlled chaos."
But is it possible to rename the "welcome" application to something more fitting besides the "kro-..." because I don't even know how it's spelled. Or, when you are looking at the icon just drag it into the dock so you don't have to search for it and risk forgetting its name?
Not bad, but why? We have distributions like Arch, debian, fedora, opensuse, void and other larger distributions. They are reinventing the wheel.
That's what I thought too, what advantage does running this give me over running Tumbleweed? nothing, it would actually be a disadvantage, I could understand it if it brought something new to the table.
I think it is good there could be so many choices. However it also fragments the community.
As an enthusiast, it is cool and fun but as a working professional, I usually look for a system that is more commonly used. Probably due to my belief that the system is more tested by the crowds.
There are thousands of distress and more keep coming but overall i always wonder what is better about it. If just the theme, then not worth to switch.
But I think it's cool that there are many options but to answer the prompt question, maps probably doesn't get as much attention since there are so many options.
But can it run Java Minecraft and Bedrock Minecraft for Android through Anbox? Pretty much everything else I can do with what is available, especially if I don't have to worry about an Nvidia card and drivers.
Croeso Welcome in Welsh
Well I use right side panel since forever lol
You know, about the left side panel, I guess they might be looking ahead to all those apps that are moving their menu bars to a sandwich button at the upper right side. Almost all important browsers already did that move as well as most of the important gtk programs. Maybe that's what future is going to be 😜
when i use windows i have the task bar on the right
Way more customized Garuda, and with already a nice selection of applications. It was a little shitty a year ago, but now it is way more polished.
@cheese I meant Garuda is way more customized and an already nice selection of applications. And that Garuda was buggy like 2 years ago, but I downloaded their last release and just love it.
@@johnlocke9609 Same here!
Been using Garuda since last 2 years ..
Significant improvement in stability..
Only slow if you have slow internet.. Took me 53 sec 49 MBs !!!! Google says Croeso' is the word for “welcome” in Welsh !!
The welcome is in Welsh. ‘croeso’. Well that’s interesting!
i have noticed with kde, changing the theme requires a logout and login for full changes to reflect. Tried installing chrome from their inbuilt software manager and it fails. In fact even Firefox failed to install. Only light themes seem to work properly. Black themes don't seem to cover the buttons. The desktop is not active in terms of mouse selection and icons. Xgamma does not seem to work either. There is no gamma adjustment in this os like in kubuntu.
I tried xgamma -gamma 1.2 and nothing happens.
Very few wallpapers. Great looking os but i wouldn't want to live with it. Kubuntu is thousand times better.
15:50
Apply the theme with "Desktop layout" . . .
Haruna is by far the best video player/mpv frontend I have ever used.
I've always preferred smplayer
@cheese Yes it is.
11:11 DT you haven't tried NVIDIA and Mate yet... You have a completely unusable desktop with screen tearing like no one's business. It's so bad, you can't see anything. Plasma is a blessing in comparison
I will download too
Just give me access to the Arch packages and I'll be fine. Tried to add some AUR mangers and they all failed. I'm sure I can find a way to add it.
Croeso is welcome in Welsh 🏴
does it support wayland protocol?
Becaus KaOS 64bit exclusive distro, while many other packages still 32bit and need 32bit packages like steam.
is Kaos rolling release?
We thought the same thing about name KaOS
We can relate :)
Croeso is Welsh for Welcome
I need system requirements for this one now
An interesting thing. Hopeful, but bsd favoring.
check out soda linux next. it is the new kid on the block.
16:32 it works fine for me I guess it's because of the VM
Muon package manager when on KDE. It's Synaptic for KDE. Personally I don't like KDE. To many bugs and other issues. Take 5.25 for instance. It already had 2 point releases.
Croeso is welcome in Welsh.
people forget they can configure bash and jump into zsh.
It's interesting. I like FerenOS. OK----for cannonballs.
KDE is Kcrap but I have a Titan partition. It's clean and quite well thought out...for Kcrap
Croeso is Welsh for welcome.
Croeso = Welcome in Welsh
KaOS == Chaos ?
Its a great distro if you don't want to run anything but what they feed you.. you can't run Wine on it if you need older windoze 32bit ware - it will run wine64 bit - but most people who need wine, don't need it for 64 bit ware. Its too disfunctional compared to something like fedora or manjaro.
From me? Because I have a Brother printer, and they don't support 32-bit drivers.
Yes they should have pronounced it KAOS, and their DE should be called CONTROL.
Because there are too many distros and kaOS is a poorly chosen name that doesn't do well on search engines
Ah, it's Welsh for Welcome. Cool
Croeso is welcome in welsh.
🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣 LEAAAAAAAAAN 🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣🟣
3 letters : K D E
I daily drive falkon fight me!!
Croeso is welsh for welcome....
KDE theming broke with the last update.
croeso is welsh for welcome
Did DT just dox himself?
i mean cool I guess? But why?
Seriously why?
Honestly what need does this fill?
I mean really thier is only 3 distro
Arch, Debian, and fedora..
Everything for the most part is just a spin off of them
Ps
You can say Gentoo but that distro is for people that dont value ones time
You forgot openSUSE, I would say there's only 3 major distro bases, deb based, arch based, and rpm based, Fedora and openSUSE.
Drink lean
The real reason is . . .KDE!
strong and complicated password is dt
The fact that it isn’t pronounced “chaos” is your first clue; marketing fail. I’m now guessing KA is some self-absorbed dev’s initials. I tried KaOS a few years ago and the package repository was very limited as others have pointed out.
It's probably related to KDE, you know how they use the K in everything
@cheese but people would read it like "kos" or something
Doesn't work well for AMD
It's Welsh