I think "leek" would have been a better title, coupled with a follow up masterclass on vegetable-themed poker exploits (I have already patented this👀) Missed opportunity ☹
Worth it to buy just cash injection? Thought about all but too expensive so i maybe start to just buy the cheap one.. Already bought some courses from other youtubers which afterwards i regret.
07:30, what bluffs would you play as raise on this river as played, and what value hands you play bet/fold on the river when get all in from the opponent?
That AJ hand... I know it got through, but I'm not optimistic about that play unless I'm against someone who will overfold Tx and underpairs here. Against any kind of thinking player you've checked the turn (an uncommon play for anyone with overpairs or a flush on that board) and have a ton of bluff candidates with all the whiffed overcards and Ax suited. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems hard for you not to overbluff there, and I'm probably never folding a T or an underpair unless I'm against someone whom I've labeled as passive and who underbluffs.
I totally agree, any thinking player would understand it’s very unlikely hero would lead the flop then check the turn with a flush. I’m trying to think of combos that would take this line, especially with the 3bet from the BB. Because we almost never have 33 and 22. I guess we have some TT that checks turn for fear of flush and then jams river with full house but otherwise not too many value hands take this line
@@RhysDavies2000 In theory I'm guessing some of the overpairs that don't need protection like AA and KK, and some flush combinations are checking the turn, some of them looking to check/jam. You're supposed to check more frequently out of position so you can't make your checking range too weak. However, that's theory. I'd be surprised if most people aren't overbetting and underchecking their strong hands here, and if I'm villain and have any pair I'm assuming hero has too many bluff candidates to control frequency. Now, maybe Pete doesn't, and you do need some bluffs to counter those times you have a flush/overpair and miss your check/jam opportunity on the turn, but I really don't love AJ as you're blocking villains easy Ax folds that got sticky on a high-low-low flop.
In the KJs hand. Does going all in here also apply to tournament poker? I know you're a cash game guy but just wondering as most of the concepts of cash apply to deepstack tournament poker. Not sure about this one tho, in cash I understand completely.
On the AdJs river jam versus check spot I would have liked some discussion on a smaller bet, say 15 or 20bb into 32bb. This bet size was my first instinct because I thought population might not defend versus this sizing often enough and bet/fold might show better EV than jamming. Am I really off in that assumption and do you think the jam is generating a lot more fold equity, enough that it's higher EV?
If you need to go all in for the value hand, because there are enough calls, why would you go all in for the bluff instead of pot or a bit overbet? Besides balance, which is probably not something you aspire in 100nl. I think you have to compare jam to 40bb in the case of the bluff, and it is worse. I don't think you get 20% more folds for the jam, or even close for it to be the correct play
Liked this one vm. My friend who is Poker-uninitiated also found it very interesting, as your insights highlight how poker as a game resembles life in a broader sense, and this sparked a sense of elegance and curiosity for her. What you tackle with (when you talk about the interview and water), which was right up my street, is known as ‘Occasion Setting’ in general psych but neuro- and behavioural psychology in particular. It underpins complex learning processes in organisms that simpler models can’t account for. I did a module for which this was the centre-piece topic a few years ago back in my uni days. Perhaps the analogy could be extended past the ‘drinking water because thirsty’ being dichotomously appropriate in one case but entirely inappropriate in the other, to a case whereby the selection of drink between water coffee beer or coke could be the framing of various poker actions being comparable in terms of EV and EVR based on circumstance. GTO solver has that theory hammered out, but of course in continuity with your previous content and repeated messages surrounding true EV and the real ‘world’ we are in, a choice of beer over water might be relatively higher EV in one poker spot/a party vs another one/the office. I loved the psychiatric comparisons in this one too, naturally, and funnily enough, I think by your exploring of poker issues you are addressing the logic of many issues in everyday cognition/thinking and clinical topics in parallel, which is what perhaps framed the mental health analogy to be so apt and astute. I thought about similar reciprocity between poker and IRL thinking when I watched the video you did with the mental coach. Honestly if it’s something you think would be worthwhile and of value, I’d love to talk about this side of things with you further. You already arrived at occasion setting, which is actually quite an obscure and complex psychological/science topic, by your work in poker coaching, so it would be great to explore what more ground could perhaps be covered. So though I may be a nobody on yt commenting, plz consider this an invite/request to discuss.
I'll be honest in those River spots I would usually bet pot if they check to me or push all in if they tried to bet into me I have been mixing some double pot bets into my game but usually not on the river I'll have to do that a bit more😅😅😅
I'm 100% in the category of not jamming for 3x pot, I usually just bet 55% pot, sometimes 80%, but never utilizing the overbet jam.. I should do it, but I don't know. so I just get unsure and bet low. Need more confidence and training to bet big, knowing why I'm betting big,so I can be more confident in betting big. I only play live tournaments, never cash. so might be a reason as I don't want to bet it all with my life on the line
Well here given the preflop action he basically with the KJs has the nuts so your tournament life wouldnt be on the line. However I also posted a question here as im not sure this concept applies to tournament poker. Getting a call for a pot bet here is massive in tournament poker while 3x pot is hardly ever getting called off. Because of tournament life. In cash its different as you can just call off and go again, while tournaments your tournament going on for multiple hours is over.
Haven't watched the video yet. Stopped at not even 2 minutes in. But I've always been thinking, if we are talking about "errors in way of thinking", my conclusion was: The most problematic thought, almost everyone who plays poker has, is that they have an edge over the other players. Right? Like, that they think, they are PROBABLY better than most other players... I say NO! Who says that? Especially not today! Maybe ten years ago or so. Yes. But not today. Not anymore.
This hand is too specific to illustrate your point, sir. You should have just told us about that hand the other day when you got raised with a big ace on one of the streets and you felt like you were being exploited so decided to roll for it 😂
@@akorthouwer obviously this could be the case, but it surprises me the number of players with these kind of stats and these kind of plays I see on GG all the time.
I don’t mind the AA hand at all vs a rec. They have no concept of relative hand strength, so going for thin value against them is the way to go. Their bet size almost always equals hand strength, something you say. And they just need any reason to call u down like not believing you (something you also say). So, giving them a specific range that they’re gonna bet call and removing all the stupid nonsense they have like Qx and every single Kx combo for literally no reason (yes, they have AK here a lot lol), is very narrow minded thing of you to do. And also goes against your own teachings. This is a clear leak you have of contradicting yourself in these post game videos, Pete. Your in game self seems to execute better the things you teach than your post game self, in order to make a point, perhaps. Don’t be results oriented bc you ran bad there mate!
AK limp/calling pre? I'm with Pete, I don't think much Kx sticks around on the flop, not enough to make jam better than call, and I don't think Qx is bet/calling enough either. Could be wrong, of course.
The problem is the huge lack of worse hands bet/calling that node. Your logic is usually sound but in that spot I still think it’s an example of the over-generalising leak. As for the idea that I execute better in game than out of game, I hard disagree!
@@CarrotCornerPoker Again, you’re projecting your own thought process into what a fish’s range should look like, instead of what it actually looks like. If they have 43s, then they can have anything preflop, including every single suited Kx, or even AK as i already mentioned. Depending how the fish plays postflop, they will either overfold all their trash plus natural floats like AK, KJs, KTs, or they will over float everything to try and outplay you. If he’s the latter, he can even be betting AQ for thin value thinking he has the best hand with that action sequence and then press call button vs raise not believing you. And he can also even turn weaker Qx and below into bluffs and call u down anyway vs the raise bc, again, they just have to not believe you to press the call button. The trick is identifying what kind of fish they are. Without that read, it’s hard to say whether this was a bad play or not with the AA. But against fish and specifically vs their small sizings, this is at least ok. Can never be that bad. A slight mistake at worst, even vs the passive ones.
@@jonathanhenderson9422 ofc! They don’t know what they’re doing so they will play AK like this fairly often. Seems like you guys don’t have much experience playing vs recs lol. Stop playing vs regs and nitty shitregs all the time and you’ll quickly see what I’m talking about 🤣 The way to maximize vs whales is by going ultra thin for value. Even 2nd top kicker can be triple barreled for smaller sizes vs some whales. You guys are too nitty in general vs them. Leaving tons of TrueEV on the table 😉 That’s why, Game selection ftw beiiibiiii
@@NoLongerGrilling I mostly play live these days, but even in my years playing online I don't know if I ever saw limp/calling with AK. The rarity of the play combined with the fact there's only 6 possible combos dramatically reduces the probability of him having that, and calling with Kx high on the flop isn't common among recs either. Yes, tripling with TP2K can be a valid strategy against calling stations playing a way too wide range pre-flop. The situation here is very different, though.
you're being way too hard on yourself with the AA hand at the end, villains like that can show up with AK here as well as KJ and KT like you said, maybe raising to like 45bbs is superior to jamming but raising is certainly not horrendous, your flop c-bet was 33%, recs float wider than they should against this size so you might even run into some other Kx like K9 or K8 or K5, who knows, either way, river not as bad as you made it out to be
I think "leek" would have been a better title, coupled with a follow up masterclass on vegetable-themed poker exploits (I have already patented this👀)
Missed opportunity ☹
Phil Helmuth eat your heart out
Would be cool to see some content on reg tables where there are some table dynamics.
I've done cash injections and am now working on Grade E. Best courses I've ever taken as an already winning player.
Worth it to buy just cash injection? Thought about all but too expensive so i maybe start to just buy the cheap one.. Already bought some courses from other youtubers which afterwards i regret.
May i ask which one?@@S55560
I am afraid of not having donuts.
Birds aren't real
07:30, what bluffs would you play as raise on this river as played, and what value hands you play bet/fold on the river when get all in from the opponent?
Very good vid, wedded Pete comes back stronger, congrats! Loved the examples on this topic, well picked to illustrate the modes
10:52 Essential part right here.
You're ABSOLUTELY right!
thank you carrot guy!!!! you the best around, no one's ever gonna keep you down!
That AJ hand... I know it got through, but I'm not optimistic about that play unless I'm against someone who will overfold Tx and underpairs here. Against any kind of thinking player you've checked the turn (an uncommon play for anyone with overpairs or a flush on that board) and have a ton of bluff candidates with all the whiffed overcards and Ax suited. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems hard for you not to overbluff there, and I'm probably never folding a T or an underpair unless I'm against someone whom I've labeled as passive and who underbluffs.
I totally agree, any thinking player would understand it’s very unlikely hero would lead the flop then check the turn with a flush. I’m trying to think of combos that would take this line, especially with the 3bet from the BB. Because we almost never have 33 and 22. I guess we have some TT that checks turn for fear of flush and then jams river with full house but otherwise not too many value hands take this line
@@RhysDavies2000 In theory I'm guessing some of the overpairs that don't need protection like AA and KK, and some flush combinations are checking the turn, some of them looking to check/jam. You're supposed to check more frequently out of position so you can't make your checking range too weak. However, that's theory. I'd be surprised if most people aren't overbetting and underchecking their strong hands here, and if I'm villain and have any pair I'm assuming hero has too many bluff candidates to control frequency. Now, maybe Pete doesn't, and you do need some bluffs to counter those times you have a flush/overpair and miss your check/jam opportunity on the turn, but I really don't love AJ as you're blocking villains easy Ax folds that got sticky on a high-low-low flop.
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In the KJs hand. Does going all in here also apply to tournament poker? I know you're a cash game guy but just wondering as most of the concepts of cash apply to deepstack tournament poker. Not sure about this one tho, in cash I understand completely.
On the AdJs river jam versus check spot I would have liked some discussion on a smaller bet, say 15 or 20bb into 32bb. This bet size was my first instinct because I thought population might not defend versus this sizing often enough and bet/fold might show better EV than jamming. Am I really off in that assumption and do you think the jam is generating a lot more fold equity, enough that it's higher EV?
15bb sizing especially is often getting called by any pair. It's much worse than checking. A shove is folding out even some Tx.
On the AA hand what about min check-raising and fold to a jam?
Brilliant video mate, the best video you have made in awhile. Cheers
If you need to go all in for the value hand, because there are enough calls, why would you go all in for the bluff instead of pot or a bit overbet? Besides balance, which is probably not something you aspire in 100nl. I think you have to compare jam to 40bb in the case of the bluff, and it is worse. I don't think you get 20% more folds for the jam, or even close for it to be the correct play
Do you have any jam bluffs on the AJJK boat hand? If so what?
Liked this one vm. My friend who is Poker-uninitiated also found it very interesting, as your insights highlight how poker as a game resembles life in a broader sense, and this sparked a sense of elegance and curiosity for her.
What you tackle with (when you talk about the interview and water), which was right up my street, is known as ‘Occasion Setting’ in general psych but neuro- and behavioural psychology in particular. It underpins complex learning processes in organisms that simpler models can’t account for. I did a module for which this was the centre-piece topic a few years ago back in my uni days. Perhaps the analogy could be extended past the ‘drinking water because thirsty’ being dichotomously appropriate in one case but entirely inappropriate in the other, to a case whereby the selection of drink between water coffee beer or coke could be the framing of various poker actions being comparable in terms of EV and EVR based on circumstance. GTO solver has that theory hammered out, but of course in continuity with your previous content and repeated messages surrounding true EV and the real ‘world’ we are in, a choice of beer over water might be relatively higher EV in one poker spot/a party vs another one/the office.
I loved the psychiatric comparisons in this one too, naturally, and funnily enough, I think by your exploring of poker issues you are addressing the logic of many issues in everyday cognition/thinking and clinical topics in parallel, which is what perhaps framed the mental health analogy to be so apt and astute.
I thought about similar reciprocity between poker and IRL thinking when I watched the video you did with the mental coach. Honestly if it’s something you think would be worthwhile and of value, I’d love to talk about this side of things with you further. You already arrived at occasion setting, which is actually quite an obscure and complex psychological/science topic, by your work in poker coaching, so it would be great to explore what more ground could perhaps be covered. So though I may be a nobody on yt commenting, plz consider this an invite/request to discuss.
I'll be honest in those River spots I would usually bet pot if they check to me or push all in if they tried to bet into me I have been mixing some double pot bets into my game but usually not on the river I'll have to do that a bit more😅😅😅
I'm 100% in the category of not jamming for 3x pot, I usually just bet 55% pot, sometimes 80%, but never utilizing the overbet jam.. I should do it, but I don't know. so I just get unsure and bet low.
Need more confidence and training to bet big, knowing why I'm betting big,so I can be more confident in betting big. I only play live tournaments, never cash. so might be a reason as I don't want to bet it all with my life on the line
Well here given the preflop action he basically with the KJs has the nuts so your tournament life wouldnt be on the line. However I also posted a question here as im not sure this concept applies to tournament poker. Getting a call for a pot bet here is massive in tournament poker while 3x pot is hardly ever getting called off. Because of tournament life. In cash its different as you can just call off and go again, while tournaments your tournament going on for multiple hours is over.
@@DeliceProductions That's true, but I don't think a Solver would factor that in if you cover the other guy. It might adjust if you are covered
Haven't watched the video yet. Stopped at not even 2 minutes in. But I've always been thinking, if we are talking about "errors in way of thinking", my conclusion was: The most problematic thought, almost everyone who plays poker has, is that they have an edge over the other players. Right? Like, that they think, they are PROBABLY better than most other players...
I say NO! Who says that? Especially not today!
Maybe ten years ago or so. Yes.
But not today. Not anymore.
whatabout check raising in the AJ hand?
Love the aj hand, would you play it the same way on stream?
This hand is too specific to illustrate your point, sir. You should have just told us about that hand the other day when you got raised with a big ace on one of the streets and you felt like you were being exploited so decided to roll for it 😂
I think they'd be impressed if you found a glass and poured water for yourself. Very assertive. You've got the job.
**drumroll ** True EV.
Poahh.. lookin good my brother with the beard and the watch.
Thanks for the vid legend
The VPIP stats on GG are such trash - no way someone is limp opening 43s and VPIPing at 12%.
hmm he may just have started playing in the room the ggpoker stats are renewed after every session.
@@akorthouwer obviously this could be the case, but it surprises me the number of players with these kind of stats and these kind of plays I see on GG all the time.
Damn Pete thanks for the childhood saga
Damn dude that drink of water analogy really hit me.
Edit: Also making that sandwich.
very good stuff sir, ty
This is from that and not that when this is there
Great video 🔥
benababby enjoyed this video
Infants shouldn’t be watching
i cant agree with q9 h.
I don’t mind the AA hand at all vs a rec. They have no concept of relative hand strength, so going for thin value against them is the way to go. Their bet size almost always equals hand strength, something you say. And they just need any reason to call u down like not believing you (something you also say). So, giving them a specific range that they’re gonna bet call and removing all the stupid nonsense they have like Qx and every single Kx combo for literally no reason (yes, they have AK here a lot lol), is very narrow minded thing of you to do. And also goes against your own teachings.
This is a clear leak you have of contradicting yourself in these post game videos, Pete. Your in game self seems to execute better the things you teach than your post game self, in order to make a point, perhaps. Don’t be results oriented bc you ran bad there mate!
AK limp/calling pre? I'm with Pete, I don't think much Kx sticks around on the flop, not enough to make jam better than call, and I don't think Qx is bet/calling enough either. Could be wrong, of course.
The problem is the huge lack of worse hands bet/calling that node. Your logic is usually sound but in that spot I still think it’s an example of the over-generalising leak. As for the idea that I execute better in game than out of game, I hard disagree!
@@CarrotCornerPoker Again, you’re projecting your own thought process into what a fish’s range should look like, instead of what it actually looks like. If they have 43s, then they can have anything preflop, including every single suited Kx, or even AK as i already mentioned. Depending how the fish plays postflop, they will either overfold all their trash plus natural floats like AK, KJs, KTs, or they will over float everything to try and outplay you. If he’s the latter, he can even be betting AQ for thin value thinking he has the best hand with that action sequence and then press call button vs raise not believing you. And he can also even turn weaker Qx and below into bluffs and call u down anyway vs the raise bc, again, they just have to not believe you to press the call button.
The trick is identifying what kind of fish they are. Without that read, it’s hard to say whether this was a bad play or not with the AA. But against fish and specifically vs their small sizings, this is at least ok. Can never be that bad. A slight mistake at worst, even vs the passive ones.
@@jonathanhenderson9422 ofc! They don’t know what they’re doing so they will play AK like this fairly often. Seems like you guys don’t have much experience playing vs recs lol. Stop playing vs regs and nitty shitregs all the time and you’ll quickly see what I’m talking about 🤣
The way to maximize vs whales is by going ultra thin for value. Even 2nd top kicker can be triple barreled for smaller sizes vs some whales. You guys are too nitty in general vs them. Leaving tons of TrueEV on the table 😉
That’s why, Game selection ftw beiiibiiii
@@NoLongerGrilling I mostly play live these days, but even in my years playing online I don't know if I ever saw limp/calling with AK. The rarity of the play combined with the fact there's only 6 possible combos dramatically reduces the probability of him having that, and calling with Kx high on the flop isn't common among recs either.
Yes, tripling with TP2K can be a valid strategy against calling stations playing a way too wide range pre-flop. The situation here is very different, though.
you're being way too hard on yourself with the AA hand at the end, villains like that can show up with AK here as well as KJ and KT like you said, maybe raising to like 45bbs is superior to jamming but raising is certainly not horrendous, your flop c-bet was 33%, recs float wider than they should against this size so you might even run into some other Kx like K9 or K8 or K5, who knows, either way, river not as bad as you made it out to be
Indeed, I think he thought he went for 75% on F because he first clicked it but changed last moment for 33%.
i think this beard puts about 20 years on you
love the video
Very colourful
this is the OBESE BEAST!
soo meditation is the answer, more attuned to our bullshit i guess.
nice one