I'm watching this with my 90-year-old Dad who is a retired aircraft carrier pilot and aerial firefighting Captain. He says that you are "spot-on" with your research and observations. We both enjoy your videos.
JUST SO YOU KNOW YOU HAVE SAVED LIVES !!!!! YOUR VIDEOS WERE PASSED ON TO SOMEONE WHO WAS NOT TAKING THERE FLYING SERIOUSLY!!!!! THEY ARE NOW THANKS TO YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU ❤❤❤❤
Yes! One time I was on a cross country, I was practicing for my check ride. I had 110hrs and was feeling confident. I was turning to final in a class D airport. I was about 500 ft AGL. I was hit with a gust which about stood me on end! I realized then; I had not put my harness on properly and the chest strap was not fastened and almost smacked my head on the flight panel! I learned from that and returned to basics. Pre-flight checks save lives. Always maintain the basics.
I was a transit bus driver for 42+ years in the seattle area. If you drive enough, you encounter all kinds of situations. Chaotic weather, drivers, passengers, employees. Training doesn't cover all the situations you will see. However, I learned that testing myself and double or triple checking the road and areas traveled occasionally helped me avert disaster. Keeping your ego in check helps to avert accidents .
@ChristineGomes-hx3zq Exactly! Or as this Chesapeake Bay sailor says " I cannot change the direction of the wind. But I can ADJUST my sails!" ⚓️⛵️⚓️🌊🌊🌊
As a safety officer with the U.S. Air Force Auxiliary, I presented and discussed this video with my squadron. Your channel is very informative and useful.
Not only did that woman have to suffer the loss of her children, but it appears it was something she foresaw. For her to put in the custody arrangement, that a licensed pilot and a flight plan was required proves that she knew he was a bit of a cowboy and she was trying to prevent what ultimately happened. How much more can the grief be compounded when she lost her children to the exact thing she was trying to prevent?!!
That broke my heart for sure. But didn’t the kids tell her Dad was flying them up to Telluride (I wonder)? Seems like she would’ve put a stop to it had she known.
That was my interpretation too. I assume that he was flying during the first marriage too, although he might have been certified after the divorce. Either way, she had probably witnessed him doing "daring" things to show off and knew that he didn't care about weather, safety and such "minor" details (yeah , I know that they are of utmost important and anything but minor, but it seems like he couldn't have cared less).
My sister lost her only child at 18. Hearing her wailing for him is something that will never forget, that primal scream for her son, it was horrendous. The police had to prise her off him to take him, just a nightmare and something that she will never get over, and we as a family will never recover from. I also have only one living child and it affected me mentally and I was always so afraid that something would happen to my boy and was over protective. We spoke about it years later, and he told me that even at 8 yrs old, he understood why I was like that as he had seen his aunt lose his big cousin and knew that I was afraid and why. I cannot imagine this mother’s pain, I just can’t. Seeing it is bad enough, let alone experiencing it. That poor darling mum, my heart aches for her.
I started watching this video and it crushed me again considering this was over 7 years ago. I was the Co-Owner in Eric’s plane. Watching this hit as hard as the moment I got the call that day from my insurance agent immediately followed up with the call from the NTSB. My heart continues to go out to the families that were devastated by this accident.
I think we’re all wishing he would’ve listened to the guidance he asked for. Sounds like you were the voice of reason he ignored. I’m so sorry for your loss.
I stopped flying when I realized I wasn’t getting enough hours in to stay competent. Mainly because I couldn’t afford it anymore with a new wife and a child coming. That was 30 years ago. Never did get back into it as it just became more and more expensive as time went. Also had a few close calls with flying into IMC, getting lost, mid air collisions. Thankfully I realized my own incompetence and the risks involved.
I discontinued my training when I realized I could not dedicate the kind of time needed to stay proficient. Now, I fly on Microsoft Flight simulator with virtual reality. Good fun and no risk of life. But I do, from time to time, get stressed, when in bad weather.
I got that way too. I got to exactly 100 hrs. Most important, I got my pilot license. That was my goal. Flew some warbirds. Water landings. I got my time.
Got my license and then quickly realized the exact thing you did. I could not fly enough to maintain a level of competency that I thought was safe. I miss it but I'm much happier to be alive!
IMMEDIATELY begins the video letting us know the sad, somber case about to be explained to us. In that first few seconds I can FEEL the respect you have for these victims. You’re pure class Hoover. I appreciate you and all you do!
Hoover, I'm not a pilot, but i watch your series. These are universal life lessons about not needing to take stupid risks beyond your pay level , whether it's piloting, or other endeavors like kayaking, hiking, camping, biking , etc.
Err, excuse me, but there are different classes of pilots. Some fly commercial, but it also can be a hobby, as in recreational flying, because there are pilots who fly for the love of flying. It's not your normal run of the run type of hobby, pastime, I'll grant you that.
@@earldriskill3505 it doesn’t really matter if you are a GA private pilot or an airline captain. Aviation IS a vocation, you can’t just get your PPL and call it a day and not keep studying, training, and learning.
@@edcoronado A vocation from my understanding is a career, a job that requires study and dedication to learn the skill necessary to be able to do the job, to earn a paycheck, such as a doctor or nurse. There are jobs in aviation such as a mechanic, working on jet engines, or internal combustion engines, prop driven aircraft, also flying an aircraft, such as a pilot, flying commercial to earn a living as is commonly known. Recreational flying, flying for the enjoyment of it, the love of it, is not a vocation because you're not earning a living at it. As I mentioned, not all pilots, fall under the same category of flying commercial aircraft and earn a living from it. I can own, for example a Piper J3 Cub tail dragger, and just learn enough knowledge to keep proficient in flying it safely under VFR conditions, or keep learning and growing in my field of aviation knowledge. Depends on the person, the pilot. Definition of a hobby: a past time endeavor that one engages in to fulfill a need, a desire. So this definition of a hobby can't apply to recreational flying? I think it can. Another example, If I have a hobby in model rockets, I can keep learning about model rockets and upgrade to bigger and more powerful rockets to fly, or I can keep flying the already made Estee rocket kits, and keep my knowledge at the same level.
My heart is just so broken for the girls' mother. I feel deep sympathy for all the friends and family of those who died but doubly for her. I cannot begin to imagine the devastation.😢
My friend for over 50 years is an Air Canada pilot. He started flying at 16. When we get.together for lunch a few times a year we Always talk about Flying and your video channel is discussed every time. Yout opinion and review is very respected. Thank You for being so professional and knowledgeable.
Considering that the co-owner said DO NOT FLY just drive - and he defied that. Arrogance and ego always kills! That the child agreement had this provision in it shows you that Mom knew how reckless her ex-husband was.
He's the kind of guy that stress women out by being irresponsible and not making women feel safe around them. He thinks he knows best. A high risk taker who always showing off. I've taken care of quauduplagics like them as a nurse. They still risk takers and wants others to engaged in their recklessness.
I got myself in almost the same situation many years ago. At the time I was about half way thru my instrument rating. We were going from Colorado Springs to Tucson with my wife and young son on board to spend Christmas with grandma. I did check the weather before we left, and it looked good enough for a VFR flight, but things can change fast in the winter.I ended up getting myself into IMC about 50 miles past Albuqureque, managed to get turned around and diverted to ABQ. Spent the night there and made it to Tucson in clear skies the next day. God bless you for doing this video Hoover. You may have just saved an entire families life.
I'm not a pilot. The last 5 years I have been driving back and forth from WA to CA. I never get on the road until I look at the weather conditions. Any signs of heavy rain/ice I don't go. Since driving through the mountains gets scary, I always plan plan plan and never drive between the months of Nov-March. Just use your common sense. This guy had too much pride. His family paid the ultimate price
@@BudFuddlackeryour a pilot with this attitude, why can’t people just learn new things without dudes like you saying wrong channel,, your on the wrong channel Mr know it all.
It's become obvious to me that some of these debriefs are emotionally stressful for you to put together, and I for one want to thank you. The pain shows on your face, but you handle it well. Thx again.
@@stargazer5784 I absolutely concur, as you can see from the comment I posted a day prior to yours. As @doug1320 so rightly says, Hoover has empathy, which is so rare not just among UA-camrs, but among the general populace these days.
I got my private pilots license when I was 43. I’m a retired nurse it was a patient that was a pilot who encouraged me to learn to fly. A life long dream. I got an instrument rating right away. I always followed all the rules and filed a flight plan and checked the weather and always did a good weight and balance. But it got to the point where I wasn’t flying very much and I always had to do my three touch and go before I took passengers and I felt that that was not enough flying. So that’s when I hung my wings up. I love watching your videos. I’m now 75 and my only flying now is through your videos. Lately I haven’t even been flying commercially. I have taken a few trips to Hawaii. I still love flying.
It takes only average intelligence to get your PPL. It takes exceptional intelligence to put your ego aside and have the self awareness to just say no. Kudos to you.
Nurses are special caring people. My wife has fought cancer for 25 years, I've had a lot, I mean a lot of experience with nurses. As a USMC veteran, I thank you for your service. I'm nearly 77 and believe I'm a safer pilot now than I was when I got my commercial license in 1967. I know my limits, I didn't when I was young. I'm slower thinking now and my memory is fading. I may die in this old C-172 one day but I'll be doing what I love. My Dad always told me, "I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid of how I'm going to die". I now can understand what he meant.
I am also a retired nurse and I am going to learning for a pilots license. I will be by the book as soon as I get my visual license, I’m gonna go for instrument license because you cannot always guarantee the weather and why not learn all the tricks are flying an airplane, then just settling for the basic license. It’s like when I learn to scuba not only did I get my certificate, but I started other lessons to become advanced scuba diver never stop learning. I backed away for several years, and if I choose to do it again, I would actually go through the course to refresh my mind, instead of using my arrogance, and have insight on what needs to be focused on
My father was a pilot in Alaska and lost his life in 1977 doing a routine flight from Anchorage to Illiama, i was only 7 then, they didnt have the terrain equipment in his plane that day, and he encountered a blizzard he got off course and he hit a mountain everyone died, they never recovered anyone, my dads crash changed a lot of things in that airline! These kind of stories make me think of my dad!
I’m so very sorry for your loss. Which airlines? My dad flew us from Spenard Lake to Big Lake in summers. The worst weather we ever had was rain. Can’t imagine blizzard flying.
@fireweedak it was a small airline called Alaska Aeronautical industries, they flew routine flights to the Alaskan towns! His accident changed a lot of things, there were a lot of crashes in 1977!
As a man who has had to live with the death of a daughter (RIP S.L.R.) i can’t imagine what his ex is having to endure. Nothing compares with the loss of a child. There is no getting over it, no moving past it… It changes who you are on every level.
Don't apologize for being too busy with your family and life to be unable to produce another video according to schedule. Family is always priority # 1. Excellent work, as usual. Cheers from the D.R.
I am not a pilot and have never been on a private plane. I enjoy watching your videos because they're well done and interesting. I think you are doing important work.
Thank you for the clarity you bring to these tragic situations. I'm a 82 year old pilot. My instructor told me in the very beginning. "Theirs old pilots and bold pilots, there no old bold Pilot's"" A saying we all know. Your words are very carefully chosen.
My father died in a plane crash in 1952. I was six years old. I have spent my whole life in the shadow of that crash and the pilot in the first scenario is a lot like I imagine the pilot in my father's crash was. He had been a pilot in WWII, he was in his 30s., I imagine him as brash and incautious. It was a four-seater private plane and they had all gone from LA to Mazatlan for a fishing trip. It was a group of 4 acquaintances from a local chapter of the Lions Club in Pasadena and they were joining others who had flown down commercially. My father was a last-minute replacement for someone else. Coming home, the airport was socked in and commercial flights were grounded but the smaller planes didn't have the same constraints and the pilot said he could fly low and follow the coastline. I don't know, this is all secondhand and I was six at the time and mom was griefstruck, so who knows how accurate her information was. They ran into a mountainside near Ensenada. I suspect they hit the tip of the small range that forms the south end of Ensenada's bay. It juts out as a peninsula and is mountainous. If they were flying low to keep under the weather, they may not have seen it in time. They died near a small fishing village called.Jotai or Jatai, neither of which show up on a map. Anyway, it's all speculation 72 years later, but I feel profound anger at the brashness and hubris of daddy's pilot and I had the same feelings with the pilot and the first segment.
72 + 6 = 78 years old and you still have anger at the pilot ~ most of us would prefer to take a small plane with friends v a commercial flight ~ the friends died together which is a blessing for them to go to the other side together v alone .... did your mom ever remarry and give you a Step Dad? If so, I suspect it didn't work out for her or you as YOUR FATHER is your mom's soul mate and no other man can replace HIM
@@DEBORAH4-ut9sz Most people wind up in hell, they don't care about who goes with them, they aren't holding hands anymore, just weeping and gnashing their teeth. Without Jesus Christ that is where the lost go that reject the King of kings.
@@DEBORAH4-ut9sz how dare you decide what's a blessing and what isn't. My father would've preferred not to have died. And what business is it Peers if she ever remarried. Are you mental? Go to hell.
As a former instructer flew with several of just this type of guy. Usually a flight review. Right away they came on with the laughs and big talk convinced they were going to glad mouth their way to a sign off. Then came the weak skills, minimal systems knowlege, and no clue about emergency prodecures. Of course at the debrief when I calmly exlained why I couldn't sign them off they became quite angry, beligerent, and accused me of wasting their time and money. I looked them straight in the eye and said sir if you continue this undiciplined careless manner of flying someday it won't end well for you. They usually stomped out never to be seen again. Big ego + big wallet = death in an airplane.
Excellent program Hoover! I'm a 74 yr old inactive private pilot (lost medical) w/ 2500 plus hrs. Your site makes GA much safer. Wish you were around back when I was flight planning. Your advice would have made me a better pilot.
I’m not even a pilot, and I find your investigations very interesting and even relevant if I fly with friends. As life long sailor, I know enough to always be prepared and ready for the worst to happen, even for short local costal cruising. Flying is so much more than a regular hobby. Thank you!
I have watched numerous of Hoover's debriefs and will never get in a plane with an amateur pilot. The risk of pilot deficiency, as demonstrated again and again in Hoover's videos, far outweighs the reward. Thanks, Hoover for these excellent videos.
100%. I compare it to going to a local golf course and watching your average 30 handicapper duff it all over the course. That’s the equivalent of a pilot you’re flying with. Is that who you really want to trust your life with?
The key word is 'amateur' pilot. Couple years ago I flew with a guy in his 70's that said he routinely flew from MI to Fl in his Columbia 300 decked out with the full glass panel. We decided to take a quick 1 hour flight which might have been the most nervous I've been in a GA aircraft. No flight plan, no flight following which was acceptable for a short flight. After departure he flew at 3000 feet maximum altitude. I would always fly at 5500 minimum altitude since we had that pesky issue of only 1 engine. He kept his eyes on his beautiful glass panel, very little actually looking out of the cockpit. Then as we got within 10 miles of the airport he was talking to the tower (Wilmington-KILM). They gave him explicit instructions that he seemed not to be able to follow. He couldn't find the runway and finally I needed to give him headings. I almost decided to ask him to give me control but he finally found his way to the runway. Then about 2 hours later we returned to his base airport. The runway headings were 3/21....and the active runway was 21. During his position reports he kept saying runway 23. Other aircraft on the CTAF referencing runway 21...he kept saying 23. Whew...I was happy when we got on the ground. We talked about what I saw....he sold the plane shortly after.
Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if these videos have a real world impact in the form of saving lives. It has made me refuse to ever get in a plane unless I’m certain the pilot knows what he’s doing.
Over confidence is one hell of a drug. It's clear that life had endowed an overabundance of blessings on this man, he needed to have some humility and appreciation.
@@QueenOfMarsReactsToEarth strict adherence to rules, however, will get you killed. “Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.” - Douglas Bader. To see what I mean, search for “The Contrarian Aviator Sometimes Turns Right.”
He was busy showing off to his younger piece of meat he threw his first wife he swore to stay with for better or worse till death, you can tell what kinda man he was letting his girls dress like harlots, dude had to be very disgusting.
Those who fly and can afford to do so, even owning an aircraft tend to be A-type personalities, who are very, very confident in their own abilities and who often feel that they can handle whatever comes their way. Such personality traits feed in to risky decisions and actions which I believe happened in this case.
THIS is why I watch you Hoover. Your respect, integrity, and attention to detail all work together to tell the stories of the accident, what led to it, and how these lessons in blood won't be in vain. Thank you for the work you do.
Hoover, this may be the most informative and tragic video I have seen. The split screen with Sticks was excellent. Thank you for always keeping us thinking safe and staying safe. The one post "over confidence is one hell of a drug" is solid gold.
I am an airline pilot and flight instructor and sadly this scenario has been going on since flying began. People with money and a reckless ego wiping out the whole family. There is a reason for the saying “There are old pilots. There are bold pilots. There are no old bold pilots.”
And it makes me think of the reputation of the Bonanza as a doctor killer and it's just because it's a sports car of an airplane and has to be flown with extra respect because it is less forgiving than a simpler airplane, and doctors tend to be arrogant, sorry but I've just noticed a trend. It's not that that plane cannot be safely flown. It doesn't deserve that reputation although people who feel the v tail had design flaws and I won't argue about it. [Sorry for original typo]
@@placidbeach The Bonanza is a beautiful aircraft to fly. I have had a few doctors as students in the past. My experience is, the problem with people who are often doctors or successful business people is they are told how smart and successful they are. They think these skills translate to flying. They have the money to buy a higher performance aircraft. Get minimal training on the aircraft. Often barely maintain currency and probably the biggest reason, they fly into instrument conditions with minimal training or currency. The complete disrespect of something that can kill them. The sad part of this accident is the innocent passengers onboard. Not saying all doctors or high net income individuals are like this, but there are numerous accidents with this scenario.
As I am very familiar with that old/bold statement, it works because it rhymes. It should read ‘There are old pilots and there are stupid pilots, but there are no old, stupid pilots’. If you think about it, you takes boldness to swallow your ego and get out of a tight spot.
@@MrWoowootila sadly it is human nature. The Captain Kirk effect. Love that scene with Chris Pine getting chewed out by the admiral in the first Star Trek movie Pine plaid Kirk in which he argued to the Admiral that in spite of foolish moves in the past he was still here. The Admiral rightly said "that's your problem.. you got by with dumb luck and that has just compounded your arrogance and carelessness."
My dad died in a small plane crash where he was flying. Two others died with my dad. I know it was pilot error, which is hard to swallow😢. My dad was first a doctor, next a pilot. This was in 1989 so much time has passed but it’s still hard to realize your dad caused this. Thanks for this video.
Twice, many years ago, I ended up in violent thunderstorms at night. I was a VFR pilot. In both cases, I had no visual references to the ground, the airplane was getting tossed around violently, and, when lightening flashed, I would lose my ability to see the instruments for several seconds. In both cases, I called the approach control for a major airport, told them I was a VFR pilot in the thunderstorm over their area, and needed some assistance in figuring out how to get down. They immediately began directing me to fly specific headings and descend to specific altitudes, and, eventually, in about probably 20 minutes, I broke out of the clouds at about 400 ft. with a runway in front of me and sufficient distance to lower the airspeed, deploy the flaps, and set up for a straight-in landing. Stupid to have gotten myself in those situations, but - it took just a simple radio call to get help and get down.
The first time was ignorant, the second time was stupid to the point of daring Darwin to take you. I hope you train any kids you may have not to do anything you did.
My brother didnt make it .... he had his pilots license ... was trying to get more night time flying hours for I believe his commercial pilot license ...it was wintertime in the mountains ...bad weather when he crashed ..very traumatic for the family ...
Amen - how many stories have we heard of highly professional great surgeons who make stupid amateurish flying mistakes and kill themselves and others! Listening to Hoover’s stories I estimate that 50% of these crashes have a significant element of pride/hubris/ overconfidence in an inadequate pilot…
Unfortunately that's the exact mentality rich people often have, they feel like they have the golden touch and anything they pursue will come easy to them.
I often feel a bit depressed that I don’t get to fly anymore…because I stopped by choice. Then I watch these videos or Blanco’s and I realize I made good choices. It’s emotional, the experience to be a pilot. And thank God for flight simulator. I will say I have met 2 kinds of pilots, the type that is passionate about honing their skills. And those that only care about how cool it sounds when they are talking about their “flying”…
If you stopped by choice then you should rejoice in that choice. I fly as a "hobby". But I fly not only my wife on vacations, but also Young Eagle missions, Angel Flight missions, Pilots 'n Paws missions, as well as coworkers and acquaintances that I meet along the way. VFR "hobby" pilots still need to maintain a professional attitude about flying. I recognize that no flight is absolutely mandatory, and especially for me. There have been times where I got to the airport and decided to scrub because things just didn't feel all that great. Another time I got the airplane started up and the wind didn't feel all that great and shut 'er down and put 'er away. Other times I've been part way into flights and turned around and headed back to the airport because the weather was deteriorating beyond my comfort zone. We gotta make smart decisions up there.
@@johnwoodchucker7642good on you for sharing the air with those who otherwise wouldn’t have the opportunity! My wife often tells me to make my suffering an offering. However your comment about being professional is so true. I have spent a lot of time around ATPL drivers. 99% are professional…but they have the benefits of the system to make that easy peasy. A private pilot operator really has no one to sms his systems. Even to hold him accountable other than himself, which can make it stressful. This is obviously, in my mind, why there are so many small aircraft accidents. So to you I say be encouraged and rejoice in knowing well the scope of your operations. Keep up the success!
I am a railroad safety manager but I learn a lot on this channel. Hoover’s explanations shed a very helpful light on, particularly, human factor issues arising from training and experience deficiencies. Thank you Hoover.
As soon as you said kids from his first marriage, my heart instantly broke for the kids’ mom. She probably had nightmares about this exact scenario a hundred times and spent thousands on attorneys fees to prevent it.
That's my thoughts exactly! I went through a lot with my child's father in the beginning to keep her safe from his bad decisions. Thankfully for me he got better. I am so heartbroken for this poor mom and her beautiful children.
She had experience. I’m sure that’s why her lawyer put that statement in the divorce decree/ custody agreement. At the end of the day, it was only a statement that an egocentric “rich dude” ignored, probably because he knew “better” and that he’d never fail at anything.
My three kids were only allowed to fly with me one at a time. I’m not a pilot but had a lot of offers to fly with locals, Civil Air Patrol most frequently. Wife wasn’t comfortable with it AT ALL.
I learned to fly in 1993. At the time I was living in TN. My intention was to go straight through and become instrument rated which is what I did. One of the reasons for that is that on a weekend trip from TN to VA (M54 to HEF) flying the 172 Club plane I was bought into, the weather for the return trip became IFR and since it looked like it was not going to change for days, one of the guys flew up on another aircraft so we could ferry the aircraft back. My point is that I quickly realized that for the kind of flying I wanted to do, essentially cross country (and then some,) you can't expect to have VFR weather when you make cross country trips. Weather is to say the least, quite dynamic and despite our improvements in forecasting it, it can change very quickly and unexpectedly. In fact, not long after I got my instrument rating, I had moved back to the DC area and was returning from TN. I had gotten as was my custom, an initial weather briefing along with updates as I came close to my departure time and DURING my flight. En route, I was told that the weather in the DC area had changed unexpectedly. By the time I arrived in the DC area, in fact ALL airports, including BWI, with the exception of IAD, had gone below minimums! I had just purchased a 1960 210. While ATC had me circling Martinsburg, I reviewed the approach plate to IAD and because of all the traffic forced into it, in order to be sequenced, I was asked to fly my final approach at 160 K, well above the stabalized 70 K approach appropriate for the aircraft. (In retrospect, as PIC, I should have refused this approach speed and had the right to do so, but at the time, I agreed.) I did have an autopilot which allowed me to couple it to the ILS which is what I did. But when I uncoupled it, I was still at that speed and it was quite a task to keep on track. Thank goodness I had an excellent CFI and had done much more practice than was required of me prior to taking my IFR check ride. The aircraft had been purchased because at the time I was working in both VA and Western PA. I would fly round trip from HEF to YNG and make the short drive to PA. I would make this roundrip usually at night, in Winter, over the mountains. There were obviously inherent risks in such a trip but I did everything I could to mitigate that risk by always staying on top of the weather. Because there was no deice, there were times I made the decision NOT to fly and make the absolutely horrible twisting and turning trip through the mountains on the PA turnpike. During the time I was making these trips, I still had a flight instructor fly with me on a regular basis to practice. I remember even practicing no gyro approaches at YNG and ADW (Andrews Airforce Base Tower controllers were actually happy to do these with me so they could practice, as long as I made low approaches and never touched the gear down which is what I did.) One of the other things I did on a regular basis was to read accident reports. I hoped to learn from other's mistakes. Probably the most important credo I maintained during my flying years was to never get cocky. There is no doubt that attorney's, physicians, and some others allow their personalities to dictate their actions rather than be humble before a force far greater than themselves, to wit, the weather! Parenthetically, I don't know how some people get their driver's license. These days nobody uses their direction signal. In the DC area people drive in a very reckless manner, passing you on secondary roads crossing double yellow lines...or on the shoulder! God help anyone who takes that kind of an attitude into the sky!
You are saving lives by doing these educational videos. My brother’s best friend died in his experimental plane with a potential buyer in the passenger seat.
Every accident you cover, reinforces the fact that flying is an incredibly serious endeavor that can be extremely unforgiving of carelessness & lack of preparation.
Therefore....ENOUGH avoidable human tragedies. BAN General Aviation (GA) except by professional commercial pilots whose sole focus in life is FLYING correctly which means having Recovery and Bail-out parachutes. Distracted AmeroBabylonians are NOT up to this and its irresponsible to let them try; murdering themselves, fools onboard and others on the ground.
Well I can say without knowing anything, that if 100 pilots flew their 1st.flight ever, only one would survive..thats worse than wartime statistics. Even if you look at survivability of accidents or incidents, both would still be a lot lower as many survive too.@stellviahohenheim
My boyfriend is a pilot - 60 hours a year! that is NOT enough! You have to constantly keep yourself up-to-date, and constantly do things to keep your knowledge and skills clear. This is so sad.
Depends on what you mean by "enough". 60 hours a year is enough if you are humble and understand your limitations and what you are capable of. I'd be happy to get 60 hours a year in.
That poor mother! I have tasted situations where you could see someone is reckless and you predict the danger and it still happens and you can't stop it, even though you knew it was inevitable from their foolish risk-taking; how absolutely shattering to see your precious, beloved children become victims of such. I have no doubt she's seen his behaviors time and again, enough to fear for their lives in his hands, and yet her wise fears come true. Heartbreaking.
I guess I'm lucky that I was a weather forecaster in the Air Force when I learned to fly. Having knowledge of the weather is such a huge skill that facilitates safer flying.
The sad part is that even the private plot curriculum will teach you enough weather to keep you out of trouble, if you are only willing to learn. However, if you are a lawyer who knows it all already…
I don't know the age of most the commentary but does anyone remember the Columbo episode starring Johnny Cash ? JC checks the weather before he has problems during a bad weather flight with passengers aboard that he put sleeping pills in the thermos coffee so he can parachute to safety and let the plane crash along with the sleeping passengers so he can pull off an insurance scam... It's a must watch well thought out crime story involving the FAA. Let me know what you think,and have a great day
So this pilot (the first one) ignored all rudimentary requirements which would be bad enough solo, but he risked and consequently killed the lives of his family and his wife. I’m almost speechless..
I had a boss who owned a Beechcraft Duke. He would sometimes fly us to the customers' sites. My boss (obviously) had a multi-engine certification, and was of course IFR-rated. Nonetheless, he refused to fly us in IMC conditions. He scrubbed several trips just because the 72-hour forecast showed the _potential_ for weather somewhere in his flight plan.
@@tedmeeuwsen712 My boss's currency was not an issue in our case. The point I was trying to make was that, even a pilot who was eminently more competent and better equipped than Eric Falbe was, was still unwilling to take the kinds of risks that Falbe took, especially when passengers were involved.
I’m a retired regional airline pilot with over 25000 hrs . I have always loved my time in the air but always never comfortable in the air ! I was always too busy worrying about the situation I was in while flying! The view and all the weather was super interesting but every time I landed I would have a big sigh of relief ! I always took aviation so seriously that I can say it was not fun ! To many pilots don’t take aviation serious enough ! You must pay attention to all the details and plan for the worst to survive. It breaks my heart when I hear of innocent passengers losing their lives in these accidents and the loved ones! It just ain’t fair! Im just glad to be retired from aviation but I have plenty of input for people in aviation now all safety related ! Maybe I can make a little difference. Thanx Hover I know your reporting must be really tough at times but I’m sure you’re making a difference in some people’s operations. But it’s a proven fact that not all people will listen ! All we can do is chock the losses up to natural selection and learn to live with the loss. True Safety Is No Accident and You Make Your Own Luck In Aviation ,You Don’t Rely On It ! Captain Mark H Wirth
I would really really STRONGLY prefer to be a passenger on a plane where the pilot takes it very seriously & is concerned & attentive & worried about every little detail then where the pilot is having fun! Not too many surgeons are having fun & that's OK with me 😄 Thank you for prioritizing safety & ALWAYS having a healthy fear of your very heavy responsibilities!!! (I am in the medical field and am often astounded at the glib overconfidence of some coworkers! Especially newbies. I'm like...with 20 years of experience, I wouldn't be comfortable doing THAT, but ok, I guess you are🙄)
You sir are a good man. You have done well. Plainly you always cared about your cargo be they passengers or all else. I would pat you on the back if I could. Well done.
Mark, I have been flying recreationally for 30 years. I have been wondering what is wrong with me when people ask if I had "fun" on my flight. I may say yes, but inside that's not what I'm thinking. I have always treated it so seriously that the concept of "fun" never really entered into my mind. Challenging and beautiful maybe, but I would not describe any of the many flights I have been on as fun. Even recently I tried to explain to my wife that "fun" did not really apply to my flight and she thought that I was "too serious". Anyway, I appreciate you verbalizing what I have been thinking for a long time. I like the challenge of flying. I enjoy the period after the flight what I can look back on it. But during the flight I am too busy planning for things to go wrong to have fun.
Ditto. I retired after six years at a single-pilot Pt. 135 airline. Recently, one of my non-pilot friends says to me: "Oh, I'm so envious, it must be so much fun to fly like a bird." If he only knew.....
Thank you Hoover . Your vids and amazing videos are excellent for budding commercial pilots like myself .. highly respect your work and can only imagine how amazing it was to fly the Striker Eagles !
I became a commercial helicopter pilot in the summer of 1977, (Elvis was still alive during my initial Transport Canada flight test!), and HOOVER provides the most careful & comprehensive debriefs on UA-cam. Due to this particular heart-breaking pair of stories, I've joined his "Club". Right on SIR, write on!
I am 60 years old and have a commercial instrument multi engine rating. I am planning on buying a pressurized twin when I retire and I told my wife that I have decided to always fly with rated pilot in the plane with me. I figure 95% of the time I will get a multi cfi to go with us when we fly. I am sure that I will have more time than the cfmei and possibly a better pilot, but I am getting older and want a backup pilot. It really is about common sense.
Just found channel! Just popped up somehow! I’m not a pilot or anything in the airline industry. But I started watching snd I’m hooked watching your videos. Just interesting! Thank you! You show a lot of empathy for those lost in plane tragedies! Appreciate that!
Can't begin to imagine the grief and anguish the children's mother is experiencing after this tragic accident. Sad but very real circumstances clearly demonstrate the narrow margin for error that exists in the field of aviation.
Too many ways to suffer catastrophic consequences in aviation if it’s not treated with professionalism in every way. You can maybe get lucky for a while but the Swiss cheese model remains undefeated
An old adage says "Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater extent than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any incapacity, carelessness, or neglect". Sounds like he may have hit the trifecta on those.
My dad was an air force pilot. After leaving the Air Force he flew commercially for a major US airline. Over the years, he would come home with similar stories like this . They really bothered him, especially when families were killed, as most of the crashes were due to reckless behavior of the pilot (dad, husband). His standard comment when sharing those stories was, 'the most dangerous weapon in the world is a doctor in a Beechcraft Bonanza.' In this case, insert lawyer. Very sad.
As a CFI - a lot of times the student would prefill out the flight review endorsements and hand to the CFI - so they would just sign, place their cert # - so if their was an entry where it was not filled out - it typically means they needed at least another ride to ensure proficiency. Chain of events on this one runs backwards - always does. Due to his job I would say at least a bit of invulnerability, machoism, and just being generally out of practice with a lack of ability to understand weather. Weather kills people everyday. More weather info training and understanding would greatly impact survival in aviation. Also on the autopilot - many of the older ones are difficult at best to understand and operate without a lot of experience. So.. anytime you are reliant on something like this, it has a higher potential to take up more attention and put you in an unusual attitude - thus why most occur… As a very capable CFI CFII & MEI there is no way I would do something like this NOW with over 3K hours - currency is critical - just as making sober decisions are.
@@SteveWestern-d4s I haven't heard that expression, (forked-tail doctor killer), since I lost my dad back in 2011. You brought back memories for me. I rode in a Bonanza when I was a kid, we fish-tailed from Colorado to Montana. Everybody got sick, including the dog. LOL.
My Dad and his friends had smaller Cessna and we flew all over Idaho and eastern Or. I always remember the flights we didn't take because of weather. Safety first was drilled into me even though I was a passenger, good memories and thanks Dad.
Thank you for doing such an excellent job explaining and analyzing these mishaps. It appears that common sense is not learned in flight school. In order to be a good pilot there is a Presle of things that need to be taken into on every flight. I’m at one of these and you’re putting another hole in the Swiss Swiss cheese. Thank you for such thorough from the heart reporting of these aviation mishaps. Please keep up the great work.
I lost 4 friends over Ouray Co in a turbo 210 as well. The pilot, his wife, a son and a grandson. May 11th 2011 due to clear air turbulence. It appears the beloved pilot didn’t get a wx brief before leaving Grand Canyon airport. He had approx 3500 hrs in the airplane and had made the same trip many times… Rest in peace my dear friends.😢
Virginia here. Hoover, you are the man!! I'm a low time pilot, and I get a lot of great information from you.I feel it is keeping me alive. @200 and still getting it all together. I'm learning from others' mistakes . Thanks for all you do!!! Thank you for your service for our great country !!
His ex-wife knew he took risks. She had written in the children’s care plan that if they fly private the pilot had to be a commercial pilot and other stipulations. He, of course, did not follow the care plan and his children lost their lives because of his cockiness. How sad.
my husband drowned in a lake while fishing from a leaky canoe without any security gear 20 yrs later i’m still mad with him. he’d been told repeatedly throughout his life that he reckless and arrogant, by me and every sane adult. it makes it hard to grieve.
Seeing you choke up halfway through this video, shows me how much you deeply care about aviation and the people involved. Good for you! My dad was a private pilot, had his IFR and Commercial rating and flew F4F Wildcats off of carriers in WWll. He was incredibly careful and we had a some wonderful (and difficult) flights. He would have loved this channel.
The pilot in the first tragedy had at least one additional bias. He ignored a requirement from his divorce agreement (if his daughters were to fly on a private plane, the pilot had to have a commercial license and file a flight plan). It's clear he felt that rules didn't apply to him, with a tragic result.
I'll never forget my manager, Jim G., who, in the early 80s, wanted so desperately to get his pilot's license. Many lessons later. He concluded, sadly, it just wasn't for him. He had the self-awareness to know he tended to be undisciplined, too easily distracted, and he was under stress. He gave it all up, and I know it broke his heart a little. He was a smart man. (Was, because I have no idea where he is, or if he's still alive.)
My ex was a physician engineer who almost got us killed as newlyweds. He flew a small Unstressed Cessna in acrobatic movements and then flew at night in bad weather with non instrument rating with a plane that had engine problems. He later almost killed me SCUBA diving but putting me in a wetsuit as a young woman alone in a deep pool with heavy currents using double tanks by myself… I almost drowned. So I left him when I figured himout and became a dive master myself… awful person really dodged a bullet I think.
My youngest daughter is the same age his eldest. 2017 she was but a child, now entering a masters program in a field well beyond my capabilities. Robbing that poor woman of the ability to see her kids grown is vile.
Long story short. I was training for my VFR PPL and while training, I went VFR into IMC because of a bad TAF. Thankfully I live by a few rules. 1 Never panic, 2 always have plan B. Plan B for me has always been my many hours of IFR training with MS Flight Simulator. Some may think that's funny, but I did so much IFR simulation with FS9, the second I went into IMC, my eyes automatically went to the 6 pack. I maintained straight and level flight until I was back in VMC. Thankfully I'm alive to tell the story. Hoover, your channel saves lives. Thank you!
omg I cannot believe this? Thank you for the info. My girlfriend flies her mooney into Telluride and she has been flying 50 years. She says she she has “one go around rule”, because it is hard to land there. If she can’t land safely the second time, she goes to another, safer airport to land .
Telluride is basically a 9K elevation runway in a 14K box canyon. If the wind blows much at all, it going over those 14K peaks will ruin your day. Montrose is a good alternate.
@@terriholliday8038 Oddly enough, they have gliders there (at least they used to). If you really know what you are doing, you can ride the "mountain wave" well into the flight levels - but talk about pucker factor!
When I saw "Telluride" at the start of the video I was "WTF?"... That place is known everywhere as one of the hardest airports in the Americas, and we're talking about a continent that has Bogotá, Cusco, old Quito, Toncontin, Aspen, Tahoe, Toluca... I have friends who fly into MMMX daily who wouldn't dare to take a Cessna to Telluride without serious preparation and 2 alternates.
I have a similar experience with my own children in a small private Cessna. Our family went to the north Georgia mountains for thanksgiving. My husband had no instrument rating so a good friend who was in airline school almost finished , went with us. He was the one flying incase of bad weather . We had flown those mountains often but on this morning it had been raining and cold. Rain stopped but fog occurred after take off . I did not want to leave. Our family begged us not to. My husband and friend made the decision to go. Within minutes of take off we had to thread the needle of the mountains ( copper basin area) blue ridge ga. Fog began to cause us to have to drop much lower than any of us wanted. Suddenly it turned bad quickly. My goal was to not lose that road, he began to scope a field. Having grown up There and interacted with jumpers in past flights he quickly guided us to the jump field. We made an emergency landing in a pasture. It was horrible. Hours later back at our starting point family angry at the terror because at the airport we flew out of. It came across a place had crashed. Not ours. But at the same time we we’re making an emergency landing an older pilot had crashed in the opposite side of mountain due to the instant foggy conditions. Our friend now flies for KLM. I am not married to the husband and my kids are grown. I look at the above image and know but for the grace of God and quick thinking we would all be dead. Never discount your gut feelings . Never put all your faith in one person’s abilities. This still makes me sick when i reflect on it. I covered my children’s head under a blanket. That’s how bad it was. I didn’t want them to see it coming …we also had no Taws system on board. 16:29
The more aviation channels I watch, the more I’m amazed at the breadth of knowledge required: weather conditions, airport characteristics, navigation, instrumentation, aircraft dynamics, communication - a great deal!
I'm a brand new student for fixed wing. These showed up on recommendation. You videos are a constant reminder to me to not take any shortcuts. I know mentally it's tough to do these videos, but you are helping future pilots. It's wild how as I go through classes, I'm starting to understand your lingo in these videos more and more
Hoov' you're a credit to the Aviation Industry a former F15 Eagle Driver and man of GREAT INTEGRITY we all really appreciate YOU & feel equally as much a great HONOR to be a part of your channel mate 👍
@jamesshupe1248 don't call me Mate I'm not from Australia or Britain and this is a USA youtube channel. And do they even have Wheaties breakfast cereal over there.?
Brilliant channel, Hoover. I'm a Private pilot in the UK, you do these video's with so much integrity and respect not to mention the educational aspect you impart to all that watch them. Thank you for your brilliant content.
Hoover, I just discovered your channel. Your excellent presentation of this, along with your obvious empathy toward this tragedy, makes you one hell of a man. I've just subscribed and I know nothing about being a pilot or anything at all about flying a plane - I'm only a commercial passenger who loves to fly. Thank you for all you do - and for the care/empathy you show.
I viewed a video recently on the crash of a PC-12 with what I believe were 8 fatalities. The tower tried desperately to convince him to stay on the ground due to poor weather conditions. One of his last transmissions was “I’m 98% good”. I don’t know about anyone else here, but my wheels don’t leave the ground unless I’m 100% good!! That statement is indicative of an attitude in America that has found its way into aviation. Very tragic.
Some very smart people said that stupidity is not an intellectual characteristic; it is a psychological and moral one. This guy was the poster boy for stupidity. An ego full of pride and over estimation of ability that prevented his reasoning.
@77Avadon77 hey, if you need to be cute about typing out a word maybe you should find a different word. The Word Store isn't running out of words, sweetie... And the guy was an arrogant dumbass not someone with a deficiency he had no control over.
I hadn't heard that line about "stupidity" before but it hits the nail on the head! Thanks for sharing. And then when STICKS talked about the "failure of imagination" around the 53' mark, the two comments combined to frame some of what I see going on around me at work. There are some profound lessons in this video but it is ironic that the people who most need the input are the very same people who'll find an excuse to not watch it.
Your Debriefs are incredibly valuable to all pilots, especially inexperienced pilots. I GoPro all my fights inside and record ATC and I debrief ALL my own fights. I use a risk assessment check list, ALWAYS use my checklists, and brief all take off’s, descents, approaches and landing. I’m an old, but not bold pilot and have not flown many times. Life is too precious to risk cutting corners. I find these videos very useful and I’m an ATP with over 15K hours. Well done.
Very smart. That honest (brutally honest) post flight assessment of how you did is invaluable. I did that with each flight and motorcycle ride. Never bent anything or laid it down: some due to plain luck, but most due to learning from every excursion.
Hoover, for me, an almost pilot many years ago, this is one of your best so far. Thank you. I had never heard of the dunning-Kruger effect before your video. However, prior to watching today I had been thinking of the needles and stupid risks I’ve been taking while operating my tractor, or driving with my son in the car. For some time now the voice in my head keeps warning me and now your video. I have a long drive tomorrow with my son, I believe I will take greater care. Thank you. Did you always know you teach so much more than airmanship? Thanks for caring 😊
About 60 hours. Full time commercial pilots rearly log more than 1,000 hours a year. Soo ,60 for private is respectable time. What got him was his" easy go lucky " I'm smart , I have some money, "look han, no hands " . I have to say that channels like yours are BIG safety factors for aviation. We learned so much from mistakes of other. I don't won't to sound corny, but I am 100% sure that you saved and will save lives. Thank you for spreading awareness.
Being rich has virtually nothing to do with intelligence. Wealth is 99% luck, not hard work or brains. The richest people are not very bright. They tend to be people who exploit or harm others. Psychopaths.
I’ve been around some awesome, responsible rich people and… some true idiots with lots of dollars in their account. I stay away from the latter with a vengeance.
I’ve really enjoyed watching this guy, Hoover give his take on accidents. He’s great and you can tell he’s very smart and reasonable which is a nice trait to have…
We used to call piston twins "doctor /lawyer killers", because such professionals would be able to afford the twin but didn't take time to stay current.
That's the problem. They have enough money to get into trouble with a high performance complicated 'professional' plane but not nearly enough money to get something much safer: a private jet with a highly trained and experienced instrument-rated professional flight crew. The results are often deadly.
I can hear in your voice that these tragedies hang heavy on your heart. Thanks for doing these debriefs. What you are doing really does make a difference.
You know I watch most of your videos, some of Dan Gryder's and I think you guys are really helping the GA community. It seems the "stats" for GA fatal accidents are improving. Your debriefs are done very well. Keep it up!
After hearing the first 14 minutes it beggars belief that a pilot travelling with his family, Never planned said flight . Your with your loved ones with their lives in your hands and is total disregard for safety was totally unacceptable.Thanks again Hoover for your very professional debrief .
Ridiculous indeed. So many of these case studies where it doesn’t seem to be apparent to the pilot that they literally have their lives in their hands every single moment of a flight. Perhaps it’s become too accessible, non serious people are finding ever stupider ways to end up gone
I'm sorry to say this goes way beyond "not planning for the flight" as 10 minutes out of Scottsdale he should have CLEARLY SEEN out his window Telluride (and even Payson for that matter) was not gonna happen that day. Payson at 300 feet overcast IS TOTALLY NOGO VFR - planning or not. Mother Nature and Father Murphy are out to get you - don't let your arrogance kill you.
Your comment is nearly identical to the one WE were preparing. That stated- we won't. YOU took the words & emotions we were dealing with & stated it well- perhaps better. Good, to the point summary. Be safe- be well🤔🙄😮😢
Point taken and spot on The FAA licensing rules for a private pilot's license are way too lax. Minimal skills in stick and rudder, rudimentary understanding of the aviation environment, and no screening for judgement, maturity, or common sense.
We appreciate your informed debriefs. But even more, we appreciate your humanity. That crash into Superstition Mountain happened near us in Gold Canyon AZ. Neighbors here still talk about it. Husband and I are both private pilots (Cessna 210) - he has commercial & instrument ratings. Have flown the Rockies many times with the appropriate respect for weather & terrain.... and lived. These 2 so-called pilots had no respect, & killed their families as a result. Tragic. RIP.
The lawyers stipulated that if the kids flew on a private plane, the pilot had to have a commercial license and there be a flight plan filed... I've NEVER heard of that for divorce proceedings. Poor woman must have known his arrogance would have put their kids at risk, yet he did it anyway. Just so crazy to me!
The people who are really dangerous are the self-admitted risk-takers that wear it as a badge of honor. They're the adrenaline-junkie types that push it more and more because they always get away with it until they don't and usually wind up dead as a result. It takes a real garbage human being to willingly take their kids on that ride with them.
Indeed. Prob couldn't boil an egg, but the macho "risk-taker" mindset says "Yeah, lets go skiing - we'll fly in marginal conditions to a marginal airport in our plane, despite my lack of currency & recency" Recipe for disaster, imho. (I can understand the desire to get to Telluride though - it's my favourite N. American ski resort, and I've been fortunate enough to ski many of them, despite living in Europe).
I’m overwhelmed with your personal pain in telling us what happened. I can hear the horror and anger in your voice. The struggle in that internal anguish got me. Excellent reporting.
I'm watching this with my 90-year-old Dad who is a retired aircraft carrier pilot and aerial firefighting Captain. He says that you are "spot-on" with your research and observations. We both enjoy your videos.
Thank you both!
Hey, you tell your dad that I salute him for his many years of service. Thank you, Mary's dad.
Thank you to your dad for his service!
Yeah this guy is very smart
Thank you for your service sir, and cool that you’re spending time with him! 😎😌😍
JUST SO YOU KNOW YOU HAVE SAVED LIVES !!!!!
YOUR VIDEOS WERE PASSED ON TO SOMEONE WHO WAS NOT TAKING THERE FLYING SERIOUSLY!!!!!
THEY ARE NOW THANKS TO YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU ❤❤❤❤
You also saved lives by passing this along - thank you
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@@perpetualkarma5773 No man he is the Grim reaper . you know you are done when you make it to Pilot debrief
@@perpetualkarma5773 you know you are DED when you are on the grim reapers UA-cam channel
Yes! One time I was on a cross country, I was practicing for my check ride. I had 110hrs and was feeling confident. I was turning to final in a class D airport. I was about 500 ft AGL. I was hit with a gust which about stood me on end! I realized then; I had not put my harness on properly and the chest strap was not fastened and almost smacked my head on the flight panel! I learned from that and returned to basics. Pre-flight checks save lives. Always maintain the basics.
I was a transit bus driver for 42+ years in the seattle area. If you drive enough, you encounter all kinds of situations. Chaotic weather, drivers, passengers, employees. Training doesn't cover all the situations you will see. However, I learned that testing myself and double or triple checking the road and areas traveled occasionally helped me avert disaster. Keeping your ego in check helps to avert accidents .
Thankyou for your good driving. I've ridden the city bus a few times so I can always appreciate a good driver.
Ha, I am a sailor. I check weather and tides when I plan to leave the slip. It's easy so why not?
Monsoon rain storms in the mountains around Flagstaff Arizona could kill anyone in a flash too!
Absolutely impossible to see anything whatsoever.
Well stated.
@ChristineGomes-hx3zq Exactly! Or as this Chesapeake Bay sailor says " I cannot change the direction of the wind. But I can ADJUST my sails!" ⚓️⛵️⚓️🌊🌊🌊
As a safety officer with the U.S. Air Force Auxiliary, I presented and discussed this video with my squadron. Your channel is very informative and useful.
Great
As a Safety Officer, have you looked at Sidney Dekker’s work? How about Gary Wong bringing Dave Snowden’s work to aviation?
Ooooh I wish you would’ve been my safety officer in the AF. Of course we didn’t have UA-cam then, so…
Wow, you said it!
Meaning Civil Air Patrol
Not only did that woman have to suffer the loss of her children, but it appears it was something she foresaw.
For her to put in the custody arrangement, that a licensed pilot and a flight plan was required proves that she knew he was a bit of a cowboy and she was trying to prevent what ultimately happened.
How much more can the grief be compounded when she lost her children to the exact thing she was trying to prevent?!!
That broke my heart for sure. But didn’t the kids tell her Dad was flying them up to Telluride (I wonder)? Seems like she would’ve put a stop to it had she known.
That was my interpretation too. I assume that he was flying during the first marriage too, although he might have been certified after the divorce. Either way, she had probably witnessed him doing "daring" things to show off and knew that he didn't care about weather, safety and such "minor" details (yeah , I know that they are of utmost important and anything but minor, but it seems like he couldn't have cared less).
@@sojerz6092yes. Heartbreaking
@@sojerz6092and she absolutely did her best to stop what she foresaw as a very real risk
My sister lost her only child at 18. Hearing her wailing for him is something that will never forget, that primal scream for her son, it was horrendous. The police had to prise her off him to take him, just a nightmare and something that she will never get over, and we as a family will never recover from. I also have only one living child and it affected me mentally and I was always so afraid that something would happen to my boy and was over protective. We spoke about it years later, and he told me that even at 8 yrs old, he understood why I was like that as he had seen his aunt lose his big cousin and knew that I was afraid and why. I cannot imagine this mother’s pain, I just can’t. Seeing it is bad enough, let alone experiencing it. That poor darling mum, my heart aches for her.
I started watching this video and it crushed me again considering this was over 7 years ago. I was the Co-Owner in Eric’s plane. Watching this hit as hard as the moment I got the call that day from my insurance agent immediately followed up with the call from the NTSB. My heart continues to go out to the families that were devastated by this accident.
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Sorry for the loss of Eric damn, my heart goes out to you and their family
I think we’re all wishing he would’ve listened to the guidance he asked for. Sounds like you were the voice of reason he ignored. I’m so sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss. Bless you and the families.
Dang....
I stopped flying when I realized I wasn’t getting enough hours in to stay competent. Mainly because I couldn’t afford it anymore with a new wife and a child coming. That was 30 years ago. Never did get back into it as it just became more and more expensive as time went. Also had a few close calls with flying into IMC, getting lost, mid air collisions. Thankfully I realized my own incompetence and the risks involved.
I discontinued my training when I realized I could not dedicate the kind of time needed to stay proficient. Now, I fly on Microsoft Flight simulator with virtual reality. Good fun and no risk of life. But I do, from time to time, get stressed, when in bad weather.
I got that way too.
I got to exactly 100 hrs.
Most important, I got my pilot license. That was my goal.
Flew some warbirds. Water landings.
I got my time.
Your humility saved your life and others possibly too. Bravo my boy
Got my license and then quickly realized the exact thing you did. I could not fly enough to maintain a level of competency that I thought was safe. I miss it but I'm much happier to be alive!
You all proved yourselves to be worthy pilots.
IMMEDIATELY begins the video letting us know the sad, somber case about to be explained to us. In that first few seconds I can FEEL the respect you have for these victims. You’re pure class Hoover. I appreciate you and all you do!
Amen, thanks for stating what I was feeling!
Abortion is murder.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Me too!
Why would any normal person behave like that? Blatant disregard of the rules.
Hoover, I'm not a pilot, but i watch your series. These are universal life lessons about not needing to take stupid risks beyond your pay level , whether it's piloting, or other endeavors like kayaking, hiking, camping, biking , etc.
“Aviation is a vocation, not a hobby”. Very well said.
Yes. I very much agree. It’s a very serious thing that clearly can kill.
Err, excuse me, but there are different classes of pilots. Some fly commercial, but it also can be a hobby, as in recreational flying, because there are pilots who fly for the love of flying. It's not your normal run of the run type of hobby, pastime, I'll grant you that.
@@earldriskill3505 it doesn’t really matter if you are a GA private pilot or an airline captain. Aviation IS a vocation, you can’t just get your PPL and call it a day and not keep studying, training, and learning.
If it's a hobby, the currency and proficiency requirements make it necessary to be your obsession, at club or committed fanatic level.
@@edcoronado A vocation from my understanding is a career, a job that requires study and dedication to learn the skill necessary to be able to do the job, to earn a paycheck, such as a doctor or nurse. There are jobs in aviation such as a mechanic, working on jet engines, or internal combustion engines, prop driven aircraft, also flying an aircraft, such as a pilot, flying commercial to earn a living as is commonly known. Recreational flying, flying for the enjoyment of it, the love of it, is not a vocation because you're not earning a living at it. As I mentioned, not all pilots, fall under the same category of flying commercial aircraft and earn a living from it. I can own, for example a Piper J3 Cub tail dragger, and just learn enough knowledge to keep proficient in flying it safely under VFR conditions, or keep learning and growing in my field of aviation knowledge. Depends on the person, the pilot.
Definition of a hobby: a past time endeavor that one engages in to fulfill a need, a desire. So this definition of a hobby can't apply to recreational flying? I think it can.
Another example, If I have a hobby in model rockets, I can keep learning about model rockets and upgrade to bigger and more powerful rockets to fly, or I can keep flying the already made Estee rocket kits, and keep my knowledge at the same level.
My heart is just so broken for the girls' mother. I feel deep sympathy for all the friends and family of those who died but doubly for her. I cannot begin to imagine the devastation.😢
6:21 laziness and recklessness killed his kids 😢 sleep well 🕊 ❤goes out to there mother 😢
25:03 l feel your frustration
Yes, sympathy for mom. When I first saw this photo, I didn’t realize that she was the step-mom. I can’t even begin to imagine mom’s grief.
WHY was she divorced and not with them would be my question
Moms know. I can almost guarantee she was bracing for this for years. Jesus. What a mess.
My friend for over 50 years is an Air Canada pilot.
He started flying at 16.
When we get.together for lunch a few times a year we Always talk about Flying and your video channel is discussed every time.
Yout opinion and review is very respected.
Thank You for being so professional and knowledgeable.
Air Canada is my favorite airline to fly
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The pilots are sooo well trained and that training is tested in a simulator every six months!
Considering that the co-owner said DO NOT FLY just drive - and he defied that. Arrogance and ego always kills! That the child agreement had this provision in it shows you that Mom knew how reckless her ex-husband was.
He's the kind of guy that stress women out by being irresponsible and not making women feel safe around them. He thinks he knows best. A high risk taker who always showing off.
I've taken care of quauduplagics like them as a nurse. They still risk takers and wants others to engaged in their recklessness.
Which is heartbreaking......she lost her babies....
I got myself in almost the same situation many years ago. At the time I was about half way thru my instrument rating. We were going from Colorado Springs to Tucson with my wife and young son on board to spend Christmas with grandma. I did check the weather before we left, and it looked good enough for a VFR flight, but things can change fast in the winter.I ended up getting myself into IMC about 50 miles past Albuqureque, managed to get turned around and diverted to ABQ. Spent the night there and made it to Tucson in clear skies the next day. God bless you for doing this video Hoover. You may have just saved an entire families life.
Rich people don't waste time watching UA-cam videos
Well said! Thank you very much!
@@stellviahohenheimdisagree. I'm a business owner watching these to be safe
Wreck!ess people don't watch videos to learn. They are already "experts". That's the sad truth
. Punctuation is for others apparently?
I'm not a pilot. The last 5 years I have been driving back and forth from WA to CA. I never get on the road until I look at the weather conditions. Any signs of heavy rain/ice I don't go. Since driving through the mountains gets scary, I always plan plan plan and never drive between the months of Nov-March. Just use your common sense. This guy had too much pride. His family paid the ultimate price
I'm not a pilot either, but I have a boat on a local lake and I always check the weather and wind forecast for deciding factors if I go or not.
Arrogance, not pride.
Wrong channel bro
@@BudFuddlacker For you, maybe.
@@BudFuddlackeryour a pilot with this attitude, why can’t people just learn new things without dudes like you saying wrong channel,, your on the wrong channel Mr know it all.
It's become obvious to me that some of these debriefs are emotionally stressful for you to put together, and I for one want to thank you. The pain shows on your face, but you handle it well. Thx again.
Hoover has empathy. And that's a very admirable trait.
@@stargazer5784
I absolutely concur, as you can see from the comment I posted a day prior to yours. As @doug1320 so rightly says, Hoover has empathy, which is so rare not just among UA-camrs, but among the general populace these days.
@@ericdunn555Agreed, a rare quality these days. It is clear he knows the dangers and loss
I got my private pilots license when I was 43. I’m a retired nurse it was a patient that was a pilot who encouraged me to learn to fly. A life long dream. I got an instrument rating right away. I always followed all the rules and filed a flight plan and checked the weather and always did a good weight and balance. But it got to the point where I wasn’t flying very much and I always had to do my three touch and go before I took passengers and I felt that that was not enough flying. So that’s when I hung my wings up. I love watching your videos. I’m now 75 and my only flying now is through your videos. Lately I haven’t even been flying commercially. I have taken a few trips to Hawaii. I still love flying.
Great choice and story. One of my nurses is also a pilot and he is very safety conscious and oriented. I salute you.
You are a smart person.
It takes only average intelligence to get your PPL. It takes exceptional intelligence to put your ego aside and have the self awareness to just say no. Kudos to you.
Nurses are special caring people. My wife has fought cancer for 25 years, I've had a lot, I mean a lot of experience with nurses. As a USMC veteran, I thank you for your service. I'm nearly 77 and believe I'm a safer pilot now than I was when I got my commercial license in 1967. I know my limits, I didn't when I was young. I'm slower thinking now and my memory is fading. I may die in this old C-172 one day but I'll be doing what I love. My Dad always told me, "I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid of how I'm going to die". I now can understand what he meant.
I am also a retired nurse and I am going to learning for a pilots license. I will be by the book as soon as I get my visual license, I’m gonna go for instrument license because you cannot always guarantee the weather and why not learn all the tricks are flying an airplane, then just settling for the basic license. It’s like when I learn to scuba not only did I get my certificate, but I started other lessons to become advanced scuba diver never stop learning. I backed away for several years, and if I choose to do it again, I would actually go through the course to refresh my mind, instead of using my arrogance, and have insight on what needs to be focused on
My father was a pilot in Alaska and lost his life in 1977 doing a routine flight from Anchorage to Illiama, i was only 7 then, they didnt have the terrain equipment in his plane that day, and he encountered a blizzard he got off course and he hit a mountain everyone died, they never recovered anyone, my dads crash changed a lot of things in that airline! These kind of stories make me think of my dad!
Really sorry for the loss of your dad
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I’m so very sorry for your loss. Which airlines? My dad flew us from Spenard Lake to Big Lake in summers. The worst weather we ever had was rain. Can’t imagine blizzard flying.
@fireweedak it was a small airline called Alaska Aeronautical industries, they flew routine flights to the Alaskan towns! His accident changed a lot of things, there were a lot of crashes in 1977!
As a man who has had to live with the death of a daughter (RIP S.L.R.) i can’t imagine what his ex is having to endure. Nothing compares with the loss of a child. There is no getting over it, no moving past it… It changes who you are on every level.
Sorry for your loss sir.
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Don’t even want to imagine. Not that I could.
I can’t. Imagine the pain of losing one of my kids, condolences
There are no words to ease your kind of pain 💔 Only those who know, know 😢
So sorry.. 💔
Don't apologize for being too busy with your family and life to be unable to produce another video according to schedule. Family is always priority # 1.
Excellent work, as usual. Cheers from the D.R.
I am not a pilot and have never been on a private plane. I enjoy watching your videos because they're well done and interesting. I think you are doing important work.
Thank you for the clarity you bring to these tragic situations. I'm a 82 year old pilot. My instructor told me in the very beginning. "Theirs old pilots and bold pilots, there no old bold Pilot's"" A saying we all know. Your words are very carefully chosen.
Thank you sir 🇺🇸🇺🇸
My father died in a plane crash in 1952. I was six years old. I have spent my whole life in the shadow of that crash and the pilot in the first scenario is a lot like I imagine the pilot in my father's crash was. He had been a pilot in WWII, he was in his 30s., I imagine him as brash and incautious. It was a four-seater private plane and they had all gone from LA to Mazatlan for a fishing trip. It was a group of 4 acquaintances from a local chapter of the Lions Club in Pasadena and they were joining others who had flown down commercially. My father was a last-minute replacement for someone else. Coming home, the airport was socked in and commercial flights were grounded but the smaller planes didn't have the same constraints and the pilot said he could fly low and follow the coastline. I don't know, this is all secondhand and I was six at the time and mom was griefstruck, so who knows how accurate her information was.
They ran into a mountainside near Ensenada. I suspect they hit the tip of the small range that forms the south end of Ensenada's bay. It juts out as a peninsula and is mountainous. If they were flying low to keep under the weather, they may not have seen it in time. They died near a small fishing village called.Jotai or Jatai, neither of which show up on a map.
Anyway, it's all speculation 72 years later, but I feel profound anger at the brashness and hubris of daddy's pilot and I had the same feelings with the pilot and the first segment.
Jatay is a bit north of Ensenada, about 30 nm.
72 + 6 = 78 years old and you still have anger at the pilot ~ most of us would prefer to take a small plane with friends v a commercial flight ~ the friends died together which is a blessing for them to go to the other side together v alone .... did your mom ever remarry and give you a Step Dad? If so, I suspect it didn't work out for her or you as YOUR FATHER is your mom's soul mate and no other man can replace HIM
@@DEBORAH4-ut9sz Most people wind up in hell, they don't care about who goes with them, they aren't holding hands anymore, just weeping and gnashing their teeth.
Without Jesus Christ that is where the lost go that reject the King of kings.
Lions club? Was he in the masonic order too?
@@DEBORAH4-ut9sz how dare you decide what's a blessing and what isn't. My father would've preferred not to have died. And what business is it Peers if she ever remarried. Are you mental? Go to hell.
I am a 70 yrs old senior and have found your video very interesting but sad about the crashes. Good job explaining details.
As a former instructer flew with several of just this type of guy. Usually a flight review. Right away they came on with the laughs and big talk convinced they were going to glad mouth their way to a sign off. Then came the weak skills, minimal systems knowlege, and no clue about emergency prodecures. Of course at the debrief when I calmly exlained why I couldn't sign them off they became quite angry, beligerent, and accused me of wasting their time and money. I looked them straight in the eye and said sir if you continue this undiciplined careless manner of flying someday it won't end well for you. They usually stomped out never to be seen again. Big ego + big wallet = death in an airplane.
It is never fun to deliver reality to those who don’t understand their limitations but it is a duty.
This was exactly my assessment. Rick, arrogant, used to his own way. And being a real estate guy, he’s got a good mouth. He sells stuff for a living
Well you showed them didn’t you, tough guy.
@@travelwithtony5767the one in the stream showed himself and his kids…..,
...and everyone clappde
Excellent program Hoover! I'm a 74 yr old inactive private pilot (lost medical) w/ 2500 plus hrs. Your site makes GA much safer. Wish you were around back when I was flight planning. Your advice would have made me a better pilot.
I'm so scared to get old not being allowed anymore to do what I love...
@g60force then do everything you want to do NOW, no matter the cost, because you may not even live to be old!
Why did you lose your medical certificate?
@@Wildcat5181 I had an accident that injured my neck and was partially paralyzed.
I’m not even a pilot, and I find your investigations very interesting and even relevant if I fly with friends. As life long sailor, I know enough to always be prepared and ready for the worst to happen, even for short local costal cruising. Flying is so much more than a regular hobby.
Thank you!
I have watched numerous of Hoover's debriefs and will never get in a plane with an amateur pilot. The risk of pilot deficiency, as demonstrated again and again in Hoover's videos, far outweighs the reward. Thanks, Hoover for these excellent videos.
Good i didnt want to ever fly with you in my airplane anyway
100%. I compare it to going to a local golf course and watching your average 30 handicapper duff it all over the course. That’s the equivalent of a pilot you’re flying with. Is that who you really want to trust your life with?
The key word is 'amateur' pilot. Couple years ago I flew with a guy in his 70's that said he routinely flew from MI to Fl in his Columbia 300 decked out with the full glass panel. We decided to take a quick 1 hour flight which might have been the most nervous I've been in a GA aircraft. No flight plan, no flight following which was acceptable for a short flight. After departure he flew at 3000 feet maximum altitude. I would always fly at 5500 minimum altitude since we had that pesky issue of only 1 engine. He kept his eyes on his beautiful glass panel, very little actually looking out of the cockpit. Then as we got within 10 miles of the airport he was talking to the tower (Wilmington-KILM). They gave him explicit instructions that he seemed not to be able to follow. He couldn't find the runway and finally I needed to give him headings. I almost decided to ask him to give me control but he finally found his way to the runway. Then about 2 hours later we returned to his base airport. The runway headings were 3/21....and the active runway was 21. During his position reports he kept saying runway 23. Other aircraft on the CTAF referencing runway 21...he kept saying 23. Whew...I was happy when we got on the ground. We talked about what I saw....he sold the plane shortly after.
Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if these videos have a real world impact in the form of saving lives. It has made me refuse to ever get in a plane unless I’m certain the pilot knows what he’s doing.
Pure pilot negligence and carelessness..no excuse!😢
I know Hoover always treats each debrief with integrity and compassion. RIP 🙏.....
Class act
That poor mom. I hope she is finding her way ❤
Over confidence is one hell of a drug. It's clear that life had endowed an overabundance of blessings on this man, he needed to have some humility and appreciation.
Huh… it’s also a massive ego. Probably a narcissist, rules didn’t apply to him
@@QueenOfMarsReactsToEarth strict adherence to rules, however, will get you killed. “Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.” - Douglas Bader. To see what I mean, search for “The Contrarian Aviator Sometimes Turns Right.”
...maybe he's another FAMILY annihilator who was on a murder/suicide mission as the economy has adversely affected everyone and especially the bLESSed
He was busy showing off to his younger piece of meat he threw his first wife he swore to stay with for better or worse till death, you can tell what kinda man he was letting his girls dress like harlots, dude had to be very disgusting.
Those who fly and can afford to do so, even owning an aircraft tend to be A-type personalities, who are very, very confident in their own abilities and who often feel that they can handle whatever comes their way. Such personality traits feed in to risky decisions and actions which I believe happened in this case.
THIS is why I watch you Hoover. Your respect, integrity, and attention to detail all work together to tell the stories of the accident, what led to it, and how these lessons in blood won't be in vain. Thank you for the work you do.
Best aviation channel here.
Me too!
Hoover, this may be the most informative and tragic video I have seen. The split screen with Sticks was excellent. Thank you for always keeping us thinking safe and staying safe. The one post "over confidence is one hell of a drug" is solid gold.
I am an airline pilot and flight instructor and sadly this scenario has been going on since flying began. People with money and a reckless ego wiping out the whole family. There is a reason for the saying “There are old pilots. There are bold pilots. There are no old bold pilots.”
And it makes me think of the reputation of the Bonanza as a doctor killer and it's just because it's a sports car of an airplane and has to be flown with extra respect because it is less forgiving than a simpler airplane, and doctors tend to be arrogant, sorry but I've just noticed a trend. It's not that that plane cannot be safely flown. It doesn't deserve that reputation although people who feel the v tail had design flaws and I won't argue about it. [Sorry for original typo]
@@placidbeach The Bonanza is a beautiful aircraft to fly. I have had a few doctors as students in the past. My experience is, the problem with people who are often doctors or successful business people is they are told how smart and successful they are. They think these skills translate to flying. They have the money to buy a higher performance aircraft. Get minimal training on the aircraft. Often barely maintain currency and probably the biggest reason, they fly into instrument conditions with minimal training or currency. The complete disrespect of something that can kill them. The sad part of this accident is the innocent passengers onboard. Not saying all doctors or high net income individuals are like this, but there are numerous accidents with this scenario.
As I am very familiar with that old/bold statement, it works because it rhymes. It should read ‘There are old pilots and there are stupid pilots, but there are no old, stupid pilots’. If you think about it, you takes boldness to swallow your ego and get out of a tight spot.
@@brianpeele311probably "bold" instead of 'cautious."
@@MrWoowootila sadly it is human nature. The Captain Kirk effect. Love that scene with Chris Pine getting chewed out by the admiral in the first Star Trek movie Pine plaid Kirk in which he argued to the Admiral that in spite of foolish moves in the past he was still here. The Admiral rightly said "that's your problem.. you got by with dumb luck and that has just compounded your arrogance and carelessness."
What is so sad about this is that this really wasn't what I would call an accident, it was more like negligence from lack of planning.
My dad died in a small plane crash where he was flying. Two others died with my dad. I know it was pilot error, which is hard to swallow😢. My dad was first a doctor, next a pilot. This was in 1989 so much time has passed but it’s still hard to realize your dad caused this. Thanks for this video.
Very sorry for your loss
@@jeng8401 Thank you. It was definitely not easy at the time but time does heal. Much appreciated.
Twice, many years ago, I ended up in violent thunderstorms at night. I was a VFR pilot. In both cases, I had no visual references to the ground, the airplane was getting tossed around violently, and, when lightening flashed, I would lose my ability to see the instruments for several seconds. In both cases, I called the approach control for a major airport, told them I was a VFR pilot in the thunderstorm over their area, and needed some assistance in figuring out how to get down. They immediately began directing me to fly specific headings and descend to specific altitudes, and, eventually, in about probably 20 minutes, I broke out of the clouds at about 400 ft. with a runway in front of me and sufficient distance to lower the airspeed, deploy the flaps, and set up for a straight-in landing. Stupid to have gotten myself in those situations, but - it took just a simple radio call to get help and get down.
The first time was ignorant, the second time was stupid to the point of daring Darwin to take you. I hope you train any kids you may have not to do anything you did.
I loved your story! ❤
My brother didnt make it .... he had his pilots license ... was trying to get more night time flying hours for I believe his commercial pilot license ...it was wintertime in the mountains ...bad weather when he crashed ..very traumatic for the family ...
He forgot that he was taking off from lower flatland and flying "dead ahead" into the Colorado Plateau.
@@maryleung1425 So sorry for your loss.
When you are successful in one area ,it doesn't mean it carries over to another.
Amen - how many stories have we heard of highly professional great surgeons who make stupid amateurish flying mistakes and kill themselves and others! Listening to Hoover’s stories I estimate that 50% of these crashes have a significant element of pride/hubris/ overconfidence in an inadequate pilot…
Unfortunately that's the exact mentality rich people often have, they feel like they have the golden touch and anything they pursue will come easy to them.
I often feel a bit depressed that I don’t get to fly anymore…because I stopped by choice. Then I watch these videos or Blanco’s and I realize I made good choices. It’s emotional, the experience to be a pilot. And thank God for flight simulator. I will say I have met 2 kinds of pilots, the type that is passionate about honing their skills. And those that only care about how cool it sounds when they are talking about their “flying”…
If you stopped by choice then you should rejoice in that choice. I fly as a "hobby". But I fly not only my wife on vacations, but also Young Eagle missions, Angel Flight missions, Pilots 'n Paws missions, as well as coworkers and acquaintances that I meet along the way. VFR "hobby" pilots still need to maintain a professional attitude about flying. I recognize that no flight is absolutely mandatory, and especially for me. There have been times where I got to the airport and decided to scrub because things just didn't feel all that great. Another time I got the airplane started up and the wind didn't feel all that great and shut 'er down and put 'er away. Other times I've been part way into flights and turned around and headed back to the airport because the weather was deteriorating beyond my comfort zone. We gotta make smart decisions up there.
@@johnwoodchucker7642good on you for sharing the air with those who otherwise wouldn’t have the opportunity! My wife often tells me to make my suffering an offering. However your comment about being professional is so true. I have spent a lot of time around ATPL drivers. 99% are professional…but they have the benefits of the system to make that easy peasy. A private pilot operator really has no one to sms his systems. Even to hold him accountable other than himself, which can make it stressful. This is obviously, in my mind, why there are so many small aircraft accidents. So to you I say be encouraged and rejoice in knowing well the scope of your operations. Keep up the success!
Consider simulated flying and/or other similar at home type games.
I am a railroad safety manager but I learn a lot on this channel. Hoover’s explanations shed a very helpful light on, particularly, human factor issues arising from training and experience deficiencies. Thank you Hoover.
So much of what Hoover talks about applies to terrestrial travel, as well, particularly experience, attitude, and risks.
Too much verbage. Try to get to the facts & story without so much talking.
As soon as you said kids from his first marriage, my heart instantly broke for the kids’ mom. She probably had nightmares about this exact scenario a hundred times and spent thousands on attorneys fees to prevent it.
Same!!!! 100%
That's my thoughts exactly! I went through a lot with my child's father in the beginning to keep her safe from his bad decisions. Thankfully for me he got better. I am so heartbroken for this poor mom and her beautiful children.
She had experience. I’m sure that’s why her lawyer put that statement in the divorce decree/ custody agreement. At the end of the day, it was only a statement that an egocentric “rich dude” ignored, probably because he knew “better” and that he’d never fail at anything.
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My three kids were only allowed to fly with me one at a time. I’m not a pilot but had a lot of offers to fly with locals, Civil Air Patrol most frequently. Wife wasn’t comfortable with it AT ALL.
I learned to fly in 1993. At the time I was living in TN. My intention was to go straight through and become instrument rated which is what I did. One of the reasons for that is that on a weekend trip from TN to VA (M54 to HEF) flying the 172 Club plane I was bought into, the weather for the return trip became IFR and since it looked like it was not going to change for days, one of the guys flew up on another aircraft so we could ferry the aircraft back. My point is that I quickly realized that for the kind of flying I wanted to do, essentially cross country (and then some,) you can't expect to have VFR weather when you make cross country trips. Weather is to say the least, quite dynamic and despite our improvements in forecasting it, it can change very quickly and unexpectedly.
In fact, not long after I got my instrument rating, I had moved back to the DC area and was returning from TN. I had gotten as was my custom, an initial weather briefing along with updates as I came close to my departure time and DURING my flight. En route, I was told that the weather in the DC area had changed unexpectedly. By the time I arrived in the DC area, in fact ALL airports, including BWI, with the exception of IAD, had gone below minimums! I had just purchased a 1960 210. While ATC had me circling Martinsburg, I reviewed the approach plate to IAD and because of all the traffic forced into it, in order to be sequenced, I was asked to fly my final approach at 160 K, well above the stabalized 70 K approach appropriate for the aircraft. (In retrospect, as PIC, I should have refused this approach speed and had the right to do so, but at the time, I agreed.) I did have an autopilot which allowed me to couple it to the ILS which is what I did. But when I uncoupled it, I was still at that speed and it was quite a task to keep on track. Thank goodness I had an excellent CFI and had done much more practice than was required of me prior to taking my IFR check ride.
The aircraft had been purchased because at the time I was working in both VA and Western PA. I would fly round trip from HEF to YNG and make the short drive to PA. I would make this roundrip usually at night, in Winter, over the mountains. There were obviously inherent risks in such a trip but I did everything I could to mitigate that risk by always staying on top of the weather. Because there was no deice, there were times I made the decision NOT to fly and make the absolutely horrible twisting and turning trip through the mountains on the PA turnpike. During the time I was making these trips, I still had a flight instructor fly with me on a regular basis to practice. I remember even practicing no gyro approaches at YNG and ADW (Andrews Airforce Base Tower controllers were actually happy to do these with me so they could practice, as long as I made low approaches and never touched the gear down which is what I did.)
One of the other things I did on a regular basis was to read accident reports. I hoped to learn from other's mistakes. Probably the most important credo I maintained during my flying years was to never get cocky. There is no doubt that attorney's, physicians, and some others allow their personalities to dictate their actions rather than be humble before a force far greater than themselves, to wit, the weather!
Parenthetically, I don't know how some people get their driver's license. These days nobody uses their direction signal. In the DC area people drive in a very reckless manner, passing you on secondary roads crossing double yellow lines...or on the shoulder!
God help anyone who takes that kind of an attitude into the sky!
You are saving lives by doing these educational videos. My brother’s best friend died in his experimental plane with a potential buyer in the passenger seat.
Like John Denver.......❤
Every accident you cover, reinforces the fact that flying is an incredibly serious endeavor that can be extremely unforgiving of carelessness & lack of preparation.
Probably the hardest job in the world because of the risk of death is 99 percent
@@stellviahohenheim where did you get that info?
Therefore....ENOUGH avoidable human tragedies. BAN General Aviation (GA) except by professional commercial pilots whose sole focus in life is FLYING correctly which means having Recovery and Bail-out parachutes. Distracted AmeroBabylonians are NOT up to this and its irresponsible to let them try; murdering themselves, fools onboard and others on the ground.
Well I can say without knowing anything, that if 100 pilots flew their 1st.flight ever, only one would survive..thats worse than wartime statistics. Even if you look at survivability of accidents or incidents, both would still be a lot lower as many survive too.@stellviahohenheim
My boyfriend is a pilot - 60 hours a year! that is NOT enough! You have to constantly keep yourself up-to-date, and constantly do things to keep your knowledge and skills clear. This is so sad.
Don’t fly with him!
I used to get over 60 hours a year airtime in a hang glider, and it doesn't even have an engine!
Depends on what you mean by "enough". 60 hours a year is enough if you are humble and understand your limitations and what you are capable of. I'd be happy to get 60 hours a year in.
@@perrieargent9997 why not?
That poor mother! I have tasted situations where you could see someone is reckless and you predict the danger and it still happens and you can't stop it, even though you knew it was inevitable from their foolish risk-taking; how absolutely shattering to see your precious, beloved children become victims of such. I have no doubt she's seen his behaviors time and again, enough to fear for their lives in his hands, and yet her wise fears come true. Heartbreaking.
I guess I'm lucky that I was a weather forecaster in the Air Force when I learned to fly. Having knowledge of the weather is such a huge skill that facilitates safer flying.
So true, as a former weather guy in the Marine Corps when I completed my license, knowing the weather definitely helps.
How cool! And agreed
The sad part is that even the private plot curriculum will teach you enough weather to keep you out of trouble, if you are only willing to learn. However, if you are a lawyer who knows it all already…
I don't know the age of most the commentary but does anyone remember the Columbo episode starring Johnny Cash ?
JC checks the weather before he has problems during a bad weather flight with passengers aboard that he put sleeping pills in the thermos coffee so he can parachute to safety and let the plane crash along with the sleeping passengers so he can pull off an insurance scam...
It's a must watch well thought out crime story involving the FAA.
Let me know what you think,and have a great day
So this pilot (the first one) ignored all rudimentary requirements which would be bad enough solo, but he risked and consequently killed the lives of his family and his wife. I’m almost speechless..
Right ??? 😢😢
So tragic!!’
I had a boss who owned a Beechcraft Duke. He would sometimes fly us to the customers' sites. My boss (obviously) had a multi-engine certification, and was of course IFR-rated. Nonetheless, he refused to fly us in IMC conditions. He scrubbed several trips just because the 72-hour forecast showed the _potential_ for weather somewhere in his flight plan.
The biggest issue with private pilots, even when instrument rated aircraft owners is currency.
@@tedmeeuwsen712 My boss's currency was not an issue in our case.
The point I was trying to make was that, even a pilot who was eminently more competent and better equipped than Eric Falbe was, was still unwilling to take the kinds of risks that Falbe took, especially when passengers were involved.
Your boss showed excellent decision making skills, much respect to him.
That sounds like a good boss !
I’m a retired regional airline pilot with over 25000 hrs . I have always loved my time in the air but always never comfortable in the air ! I was always too busy worrying about the situation I was in while flying! The view and all the weather was super interesting but every time I landed I would have a big sigh of relief ! I always took aviation so seriously that I can say it was not fun ! To many pilots don’t take aviation serious enough ! You must pay attention to all the details and plan for the worst to survive.
It breaks my heart when I hear of innocent passengers losing their lives in these accidents and the loved ones! It just ain’t fair! Im just glad to be retired from aviation but I have plenty of input for people in aviation now all safety related ! Maybe I can make a little difference. Thanx Hover I know your reporting must be really tough at times but I’m sure you’re making a difference in some people’s operations. But it’s a proven fact that not all people will listen ! All we can do is chock the losses up to natural selection and learn to live with the loss.
True Safety Is No Accident and You Make Your Own Luck In Aviation ,You Don’t Rely On It !
Captain Mark H Wirth
your honesty is appreciated.
I would really really STRONGLY prefer to be a passenger on a plane where the pilot takes it very seriously & is concerned & attentive & worried about every little detail then where the pilot is having fun! Not too many surgeons are having fun & that's OK with me 😄 Thank you for prioritizing safety & ALWAYS having a healthy fear of your very heavy responsibilities!!! (I am in the medical field and am often astounded at the glib overconfidence of some coworkers! Especially newbies. I'm like...with 20 years of experience, I wouldn't be comfortable doing THAT, but ok, I guess you are🙄)
You sir are a good man. You have done well. Plainly you always cared about your cargo be they passengers or all else. I would pat you on the back if I could. Well done.
Mark, I have been flying recreationally for 30 years. I have been wondering what is wrong with me when people ask if I had "fun" on my flight. I may say yes, but inside that's not what I'm thinking. I have always treated it so seriously that the concept of "fun" never really entered into my mind. Challenging and beautiful maybe, but I would not describe any of the many flights I have been on as fun. Even recently I tried to explain to my wife that "fun" did not really apply to my flight and she thought that I was "too serious".
Anyway, I appreciate you verbalizing what I have been thinking for a long time. I like the challenge of flying. I enjoy the period after the flight what I can look back on it. But during the flight I am too busy planning for things to go wrong to have fun.
Ditto. I retired after six years at a single-pilot Pt. 135 airline. Recently, one of my non-pilot friends says to me: "Oh, I'm so envious, it must be so much fun to fly like a bird." If he only knew.....
Thank you Hoover . Your vids and amazing videos are excellent for budding commercial pilots like myself .. highly respect your work and can only imagine how amazing it was to fly the Striker Eagles !
I became a commercial helicopter pilot in the summer of 1977, (Elvis was still alive during my initial Transport Canada flight test!), and HOOVER provides the most careful & comprehensive debriefs on UA-cam. Due to this particular heart-breaking pair of stories, I've joined his "Club". Right on SIR, write on!
Good point. The BE dating (Before Elvis) was a good one.
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Ah, but was The Big Bopper? Clear Lake, IA, anyone? Don McLean?
I am 60 years old and have a commercial instrument multi engine rating. I am planning on buying a pressurized twin when I retire and I told my wife that I have decided to always fly with rated pilot in the plane with me. I figure 95% of the time I will get a multi cfi to go with us when we fly. I am sure that I will have more time than the cfmei and possibly a better pilot, but I am getting older and want a backup pilot. It really is about common sense.
Bwa-ha.
2 heads + CRM > 1. Also, an external check on gradual decline in capabilities w/ age in PPL. Fly and practice contingency procedures often. 👍
Be ready to face insurance challenges. Older pilots in high performance aircraft no matter how much experience and training will pay more.
Wisdom is such a scarce commodity these days!
Can you drive?
Just found channel! Just popped up somehow! I’m not a pilot or anything in the airline industry. But I started watching snd I’m hooked watching your videos. Just interesting! Thank you! You show a lot of empathy for those lost in plane tragedies! Appreciate that!
Can't begin to imagine the grief and anguish the children's mother is experiencing after this tragic accident. Sad but very real circumstances clearly demonstrate the narrow margin for error that exists in the field of aviation.
Too many ways to suffer catastrophic consequences in aviation if it’s not treated with professionalism in every way. You can maybe get lucky for a while but the Swiss cheese model remains undefeated
An old adage says "Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater extent than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any incapacity, carelessness, or neglect". Sounds like he may have hit the trifecta on those.
My dad was an air force pilot. After leaving the Air Force he flew commercially for a major US airline. Over the years, he would come home with similar stories like this . They really bothered him, especially when families were killed, as most of the crashes were due to reckless behavior of the pilot (dad, husband). His standard comment when sharing those stories was, 'the most dangerous weapon in the world is a doctor in a Beechcraft Bonanza.' In this case, insert lawyer. Very sad.
The dreaded forked-tail doctor killer. I lost a dr client who was killed flying a Bananza at Superior,AZ. True to the nickname.
Doctors feel that since they battle and beat death at times, they're invincible. That feeling transfers to flying a plane.
@@jimnice74656Yes, some doctors seem to think MD means " M Diety"! Some docs think they are God! IMHO🤔🤔🤔🤔🙄🙄🙄
As a CFI - a lot of times the student would prefill out the flight review endorsements and hand to the CFI - so they would just sign, place their cert # - so if their was an entry where it was not filled out - it typically means they needed at least another ride to ensure proficiency. Chain of events on this one runs backwards - always does. Due to his job I would say at least a bit of invulnerability, machoism, and just being generally out of practice with a lack of ability to understand weather. Weather kills people everyday. More weather info training and understanding would greatly impact survival in aviation. Also on the autopilot - many of the older ones are difficult at best to understand and operate without a lot of experience. So.. anytime you are reliant on something like this, it has a higher potential to take up more attention and put you in an unusual attitude - thus why most occur… As a very capable CFI CFII & MEI there is no way I would do something like this NOW with over 3K hours - currency is critical - just as making sober decisions are.
@@SteveWestern-d4s I haven't heard that expression, (forked-tail doctor killer), since I lost my dad back in 2011. You brought back memories for me. I rode in a Bonanza when I was a kid, we fish-tailed from Colorado to Montana. Everybody got sick, including the dog. LOL.
My Dad and his friends had smaller Cessna and we flew all over Idaho and eastern Or. I always remember the flights we didn't take because of weather. Safety first was drilled into me even though I was a passenger, good memories and thanks Dad.
Hoovers compassion in his videos is second to none, that's one of the reasons why I love watching his channel.
You’re a good man Hoover. This one affected me. The public service you provided is a serious tragic warning.
Thank you for doing such an excellent job explaining and analyzing these mishaps. It appears that common sense is not learned in flight school. In order to be a good pilot there is a Presle of things that need to be taken into on every flight. I’m at one of these and you’re putting another hole in the Swiss Swiss cheese. Thank you for such thorough from the heart reporting of these aviation mishaps. Please keep up the great work.
I lost 4 friends over Ouray Co in a turbo 210 as well. The pilot, his wife, a son and a grandson. May 11th 2011 due to clear air turbulence. It appears the beloved pilot didn’t get a wx brief before leaving Grand Canyon airport. He had approx 3500 hrs in the airplane and had made the same trip many times… Rest in peace my dear friends.😢
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I’m so sorry.
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Sorry for your lost
Virginia here. Hoover, you are the man!! I'm a low time pilot, and I get a lot of great information from you.I feel it is keeping me alive. @200 and still getting it all together. I'm learning from others' mistakes . Thanks for all you do!!! Thank you for your service for our great country !!
His ex-wife knew he took risks. She had written in the children’s care plan that if they fly private the pilot had to be a commercial pilot and other stipulations. He, of course, did not follow the care plan and his children lost their lives because of his cockiness. How sad.
my husband drowned in a lake while fishing from a leaky canoe without any security gear
20 yrs later i’m still mad with him. he’d been told repeatedly throughout his life that he reckless and arrogant, by me and every sane adult.
it makes it hard to grieve.
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@@OTM5440 I’m sure. You can’t change them. They can be their own worst enemy.
@@mymia1027 The problem is that when they take innocent people down with them, that is really unfair!!!😮😢
Seeing you choke up halfway through this video, shows me how much you deeply care about aviation and the people involved. Good for you! My dad was a private pilot, had his IFR and Commercial rating and flew F4F Wildcats off of carriers in WWll. He was incredibly careful and we had a some wonderful (and difficult) flights. He would have loved this channel.
The pilot in the first tragedy had at least one additional bias. He ignored a requirement from his divorce agreement (if his daughters were to fly on a private plane, the pilot had to have a commercial license and file a flight plan). It's clear he felt that rules didn't apply to him, with a tragic result.
So sad , ego is a destructive trait
I’m still at the video’s beginning. This comment sounds so ominous and tragic. 😞
And a fatal case of get-there-itis.
I bet the girl mother was beyond heartbroken to lose her babies. So sad he didn’t obey the rules
A Cessna 210. Does that have retractable gear?
I'll never forget my manager, Jim G., who, in the early 80s, wanted so desperately to get his pilot's license. Many lessons later. He concluded, sadly, it just wasn't for him. He had the self-awareness to know he tended to be undisciplined, too easily distracted, and he was under stress. He gave it all up, and I know it broke his heart a little. He was a smart man. (Was, because I have no idea where he is, or if he's still alive.)
My ex was a physician engineer who almost got us killed as newlyweds. He flew a small
Unstressed Cessna in acrobatic movements and then flew at night in bad weather with non instrument rating with a plane that had engine problems. He later almost killed me SCUBA diving but putting me in a wetsuit as a young woman alone in a deep pool with heavy currents using double tanks by myself… I almost drowned. So I left him when I figured himout and became a dive master myself… awful person really dodged a bullet I think.
Good God. Sounds like he tried to kill you. Physician and Engineer? Psychopath? Is he still alive?
@@Starfish2145 thanks :/ yes he’s still alive married to someone else! Thank goodness! :)
He sounds like a psychopath in all honesty😬 So glad you got out when you did, you not only survived but have thrived🙂
@@emilyemily444 ❤️❤️❤️
Holey moley
Getting your own kids deleted because of your own hubris. This was 100% preventable.
My youngest daughter is the same age his eldest. 2017 she was but a child, now entering a masters program in a field well beyond my capabilities. Robbing that poor woman of the ability to see her kids grown is vile.
Long story short. I was training for my VFR PPL and while training, I went VFR into IMC because of a bad TAF. Thankfully I live by a few rules. 1 Never panic, 2 always have plan B. Plan B for me has always been my many hours of IFR training with MS Flight Simulator. Some may think that's funny, but I did so much IFR simulation with FS9, the second I went into IMC, my eyes automatically went to the 6 pack. I maintained straight and level flight until I was back in VMC. Thankfully I'm alive to tell the story. Hoover, your channel saves lives. Thank you!
Thank you for sharing! An about Hoovers (and Sticks) work: well said! Thank you.
I always thought if so many pilots would practice ifr on flight simulator it would save their lives. As with JFK jr.
omg I cannot believe this? Thank you for the info. My girlfriend flies her mooney into Telluride and she has been flying 50 years. She says she she has “one go around rule”, because it is hard to land there. If she can’t land safely the second time, she goes to another, safer airport to land .
Telluride is basically a 9K elevation runway in a 14K box canyon. If the wind blows much at all, it going over those 14K peaks will ruin your day. Montrose is a good alternate.
@@tedsaylor6016 Yes, that is what she told me.
@@terriholliday8038 Oddly enough, they have gliders there (at least they used to). If you really know what you are doing, you can ride the "mountain wave" well into the flight levels - but talk about pucker factor!
When I saw "Telluride" at the start of the video I was "WTF?"... That place is known everywhere as one of the hardest airports in the Americas, and we're talking about a continent that has Bogotá, Cusco, old Quito, Toncontin, Aspen, Tahoe, Toluca... I have friends who fly into MMMX daily who wouldn't dare to take a Cessna to Telluride without serious preparation and 2 alternates.
I have a similar experience with my own children in a small private Cessna. Our family went to the north Georgia mountains for thanksgiving. My husband had no instrument rating so a good friend who was in airline school almost finished , went with us. He was the one flying incase of bad weather . We had flown those mountains often but on this morning it had been raining and cold. Rain stopped but fog occurred after take off . I did not want to leave. Our family begged us not to. My husband and friend made the decision to go. Within minutes of take off we had to thread the needle of the mountains ( copper basin area) blue ridge ga. Fog began to cause us to have to drop much lower than any of us wanted. Suddenly it turned bad quickly. My goal was to not lose that road, he began to scope a field. Having grown up
There and interacted with jumpers in past flights he quickly guided us to the jump field. We made an emergency landing in a pasture. It was horrible. Hours later back at our starting point family angry at the terror because at the airport we flew out of. It came across a place had crashed. Not ours. But at the same time we we’re making an emergency landing an older pilot had crashed in the opposite side of mountain due to the instant foggy conditions. Our friend now flies for KLM. I am not married to the husband and my kids are grown. I look at the above image and know but for the grace of God and quick thinking we would all be dead. Never discount your gut feelings . Never put all your faith in one person’s abilities. This still makes me sick when i reflect on it. I covered my children’s head under a blanket. That’s how bad it was. I didn’t want them to see it coming …we also had no Taws system on board. 16:29
Hearing it in your voice in this one. I appreciate your patience and respect in all these stories/debriefs. Ty
The more aviation channels I watch, the more I’m amazed at the breadth of knowledge required: weather conditions, airport characteristics, navigation, instrumentation, aircraft dynamics, communication - a great deal!
I am partial to French Breadth
I'm a brand new student for fixed wing. These showed up on recommendation. You videos are a constant reminder to me to not take any shortcuts. I know mentally it's tough to do these videos, but you are helping future pilots. It's wild how as I go through classes, I'm starting to understand your lingo in these videos more and more
Hoov' you're a credit to the Aviation Industry a former F15 Eagle Driver and man of GREAT INTEGRITY we all really appreciate YOU & feel equally as much a great HONOR to be a part of your channel mate 👍
Why are you calling him by a nickname ? And please don't speak for all of us in the comments.
BTW,This is a great episode IMO☆
@@lsvegasman1who peed in your wheaties mate?
@jamesshupe1248 don't call me Mate I'm not from Australia or Britain and this is a USA youtube channel. And do they even have Wheaties breakfast cereal over there.?
Brilliant channel, Hoover. I'm a Private pilot in the UK, you do these video's with so much integrity and respect not to mention the educational aspect you impart to all that watch them. Thank you for your brilliant content.
Hoover, I just discovered your channel. Your excellent presentation of this, along with your obvious empathy toward this tragedy, makes you one hell of a man. I've just subscribed and I know nothing about being a pilot or anything at all about flying a plane - I'm only a commercial passenger who loves to fly. Thank you for all you do - and for the care/empathy you show.
I viewed a video recently on the crash of a PC-12 with what I believe were 8 fatalities. The tower tried desperately to convince him to stay on the ground due to poor weather conditions. One of his last transmissions was “I’m 98% good”. I don’t know about anyone else here, but my wheels don’t leave the ground unless I’m 100% good!! That statement is indicative of an attitude in America that has found its way into aviation. Very tragic.
Some very smart people said that stupidity is not an intellectual characteristic; it is a psychological and moral one.
This guy was the poster boy for stupidity. An ego full of pride and over estimation of ability that prevented his reasoning.
The sad thing is that other people on board paid the ultimate price.
The Titan submersible being a perfect example.
That second story was just wow. How can any pilot be that re-/tarded
@77Avadon77 hey, if you need to be cute about typing out a word maybe you should find a different word. The Word Store isn't running out of words, sweetie...
And the guy was an arrogant dumbass not someone with a deficiency he had no control over.
I hadn't heard that line about "stupidity" before but it hits the nail on the head! Thanks for sharing. And then when STICKS talked about the "failure of imagination" around the 53' mark, the two comments combined to frame some of what I see going on around me at work. There are some profound lessons in this video but it is ironic that the people who most need the input are the very same people who'll find an excuse to not watch it.
Your Debriefs are incredibly valuable to all pilots, especially inexperienced pilots. I GoPro all my fights inside and record ATC and I debrief ALL my own fights. I use a risk assessment check list, ALWAYS use my checklists, and brief all take off’s, descents, approaches and landing. I’m an old, but not bold pilot and have not flown many times. Life is too precious to risk cutting corners. I find these videos very useful and I’m an ATP with over 15K hours. Well done.
Very smart. That honest (brutally honest) post flight assessment of how you did is invaluable. I did that with each flight and motorcycle ride.
Never bent anything or laid it down: some due to plain luck, but most due to learning from every excursion.
Hoover, for me, an almost pilot many years ago, this is one of your best so far. Thank you. I had never heard of the dunning-Kruger effect before your video. However, prior to watching today I had been thinking of the needles and stupid risks I’ve been taking while operating my tractor, or driving with my son in the car. For some time now the voice in my head keeps warning me and now your video. I have a long drive tomorrow with my son, I believe I will take greater care. Thank you. Did you always know you teach so much more than airmanship? Thanks for caring 😊
About 60 hours. Full time commercial pilots rearly log more than 1,000 hours a year. Soo ,60 for private is respectable time. What got him was his" easy go lucky " I'm smart , I have some money, "look han, no hands " . I have to say that channels like yours are BIG safety factors for aviation. We learned so much from mistakes of other. I don't won't to sound corny, but I am 100% sure that you saved and will save lives. Thank you for spreading awareness.
Hoover, your humanity shines through. I watch for your flying insight, but you also lend a moral perspective. Good man.
Just because you’re rich doesn’t make you a pro at anything - exotic car drivers are a prime example
Being rich has virtually nothing to do with intelligence. Wealth is 99% luck, not hard work or brains. The richest people are not very bright. They tend to be people who exploit or harm others. Psychopaths.
well he's a lawyer and probably a very crooked one that would frame a defendant if he thought he could get a pretty pay day from it
I’ve been around some awesome, responsible rich people and… some true idiots with lots of dollars in their account. I stay away from the latter with a vengeance.
Wish I had a dollar for every rich teenager who lost their life in a sportscar.
Heck mustang drivers…l
I’ve really enjoyed watching this guy, Hoover give his take on accidents. He’s great and you can tell he’s very smart and reasonable which is a nice trait to have…
We used to call piston twins "doctor /lawyer killers", because such professionals would be able to afford the twin but didn't take time to stay current.
They are typically arrogant personalities as well.
Good point. What is the deal with doctors and flying? Whats the connection? I dont get it.
That's the problem. They have enough money to get into trouble with a high performance complicated 'professional' plane but not nearly enough money to get something much safer: a private jet with a highly trained and experienced instrument-rated professional flight crew.
The results are often deadly.
@@bill2066 a lot of doctors fly out of necessity, to work assignments often out of state. Many buy private aircraft for that purpose.
@@Mamo878 must some type of over achievement nonsense...
I can hear in your voice that these tragedies hang heavy on your heart. Thanks for doing these debriefs. What you are doing really does make a difference.
You know I watch most of your videos, some of Dan Gryder's and I think you guys are really helping the GA community. It seems the "stats" for GA fatal accidents are improving. Your debriefs are done very well. Keep it up!
After hearing the first 14 minutes it beggars belief that a pilot travelling with his family, Never planned said flight . Your with your loved ones with their lives in your hands and is total disregard for safety was totally unacceptable.Thanks again Hoover for your very professional debrief .
Ridiculous indeed. So many of these case studies where it doesn’t seem to be apparent to the pilot that they literally have their lives in their hands every single moment of a flight. Perhaps it’s become too accessible, non serious people are finding ever stupider ways to end up gone
If "loved ones" means people he loved, I wonder if he had any. Might be the kind of narcissist whose kids are just a captive audience.
@@HweolRiddaWell said
I'm sorry to say this goes way beyond "not planning for the flight" as 10 minutes out of Scottsdale he should have CLEARLY SEEN out his window Telluride (and even Payson for that matter) was not gonna happen that day.
Payson at 300 feet overcast IS TOTALLY NOGO VFR - planning or not.
Mother Nature and Father Murphy are out to get you - don't let your arrogance kill you.
HOOVER is the best content creator for air crashes. I like and follow all of his material.
Your comment is nearly identical to the one WE were preparing. That stated- we won't. YOU took the words & emotions we were dealing with & stated it well- perhaps better. Good, to the point summary. Be safe- be well🤔🙄😮😢
Great job, thank you Hoover and Sticks!
You’re both so talented!
I can't imagine how tough it is to do these but they are 100% necessary. Thank you for your service Sir.
I work in inland commercial shipping. It takes 4 years to get your license. After those 4 years you start learning how to drive a boat.
Drive or pilot?
So, if I don’t bother much with licence I can start to learn to drive a boat immediately?
Same with getting a drivers license.. You can't drive... You'll learn to drive over the years and don't go for the difficult situation at first.
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Point taken and spot on
The FAA licensing rules for a private pilot's license are way too lax. Minimal skills in stick and rudder, rudimentary understanding of the aviation environment, and no screening for judgement, maturity, or common sense.
Rewatch here! Hoover you did a great job delivering sensitive information in a compassionate manner in hopes of educating pilots.
We appreciate your informed debriefs. But even more, we appreciate your humanity. That crash into Superstition Mountain happened near us in Gold Canyon AZ. Neighbors here still talk about it. Husband and I are both private pilots (Cessna 210) - he has commercial & instrument ratings. Have flown the Rockies many times with the appropriate respect for weather & terrain.... and lived. These 2 so-called pilots had no respect, & killed their families as a result. Tragic. RIP.
I too recall the crash, living in Gilbert, it still haunts me.
Thank you very much! And thanks for being safe and responsible pilots!
Some people, regardless of their wealth or education have absolutely no common sense.
aka the Oceangate disaster, same kind of hubris and the idea that the laws of physics didn't apply to them.
The lawyers stipulated that if the kids flew on a private plane, the pilot had to have a commercial license and there be a flight plan filed...
I've NEVER heard of that for divorce proceedings. Poor woman must have known his arrogance would have put their kids at risk, yet he did it anyway. Just so crazy to me!
As my Air Force commander told me, when it comes to flying safely “you can’t buy common sense.”
The people who are really dangerous are the self-admitted risk-takers that wear it as a badge of honor. They're the adrenaline-junkie types that push it more and more because they always get away with it until they don't and usually wind up dead as a result. It takes a real garbage human being to willingly take their kids on that ride with them.
Indeed.
Prob couldn't boil an egg,
but the macho "risk-taker" mindset
says "Yeah, lets go skiing
- we'll fly in marginal conditions
to a marginal airport in our plane,
despite my lack of currency & recency"
Recipe for disaster, imho.
(I can understand the desire to
get to Telluride though
- it's my favourite N. American
ski resort,
and I've been fortunate enough
to ski many of them,
despite living in Europe).
This is just heartbreaking. Hoover, you are a voice of sanity. Thank you.
I’m overwhelmed with your personal pain in telling us what happened.
I can hear the horror and anger in your voice. The struggle in that internal anguish got me.
Excellent reporting.
So so sad. Absolutely heartbreaking the kids lost their lives cause of a father making so many bad decisions