(Gonna preface this by saying I’m not trying to be combative. I’m just talking about various changes in the lore) While this is certainly a really interesting idea, I’m personally not a big fan of humans and Forerunners being split into separate species. For the super majority of Bungie’s canon humans and Forerunners were one and the same (the ONLY outliers were the few things Frank O’Conner had direct control over). In fact, that knowledge is what the Prophets started the Human Covenant War to cover up. Our existence as the children of their gods invalidated their claim to be the true inheritors of the Forerunner’s technology/legacy, and the fact we were Forerunners who were “left behind” after the Rings were fired disproved their belief in the Great Journey. If this revelation given to them by Mendicant Bias (quote from Contact Harvest goes like this: "For eons I have watched. Listened to you misinterpret. This is not reclamation. This is reclaimer. And those it represents are my creators.") ever got out the Covenant would dissolve. That’s why they waged a BRUTAL war of extermination. Although, it was kept vague as to whether or not we were literal Forerunners, or apes molded into Forerunners. Since Halo was originally meant to take place in our real world it would’ve had to have been the latter, and that’s would’ve been the big reveal of Halo 2’s ending where the Arbiter finds a humanoid skeleton that acted as the template for the Ark (later changed to the portal to the Ark in 3) to create a new “generation” of Forerunners using existing earth fauna (343’s visual design for the Forerunners would still work since the process of creating Forerunners using hominids as a base wouldn’t be exact. There was some really cool religious symbolism where the being who activated the Array and had been guiding our development was implied to be the Abrahamic god. Some of the more mythical Bible stories like Noah building an Ark to save life from a coming Flood and God creating man in his image would’ve been recontextualized in Halo as symbolic retellings of Forerunner history and how they made us in their image. Something else that’s really cool about Halo 2’s original ending is that Truth’s plan was actually perfectly coherent. His plan was to use the Rings to wipe the slate clean and use the Ark’s machinery to create a new species based on his genome, becoming God that way. In a way the Great Journey was very real, but only ONE could walk it. He killed off the other two hierarchs to eliminate competition, and plunged his own empire into civil war to ensure the Covenant would be too distracted killing each other to figure out what he was doing. While all of this was happening he’d be safe beneath the Ark’s shield getting ready to start to reseeding process in his image. The reason he didn’t care about his species potentially going extinct, High Charity being overrun by the Flood, or yet another galactic outbreak is because none of that would’ve mattered anyways after firing the Rings). I’m really torn on a lot of 343’s lore because there’s a lot of things I really like, but a lot of it doesn’t mesh with what Bungie set up. By no means am I calling you an idiot for either getting things wrong or liking the new direction. In fact, for the longest time I thought that Bungie couldn’t make their mind up about exactly who the Forerunners were until I saw C3Sabertooth’s We Were Forerunner video. It’s like an hour long and packed with information. Although, it will be longer since you’ll have to pause every now and then to read all the quick messages (he does that so the video isn’t a thousand years long). He also has videos animating Halo 2’s storyboards and they’re really cool. There’s this really cool theory that the Primordial’s revelations that was too terrible to live with was that the Flood wasn’t actually the result of Precursors being corroborated. Instead it was a part of their plan to create new species and let them advance to a certain point gaining new experiences before an inevitable harvest. This knowledge that they were essentially cattle bred for cyclic harvest is what caused them to kys because they didn’t want to be harvested and also couldn’t live with the knowledge they were created to be slaughtered like animals. If that’s the case that would be wonderfully Lovecraftian. That theory reminds me of how in Dead Space the Markers spread throughout space and will lead to intelligence arising, and said intelligences will reach a point where they’ll have massive resource/energy needs. The Markers first appear as a blessing before leading the civilization to destruction, and the Markers they make will repeat the cycle. Even though it messes up a lot of Halo’s lore I really should read the Forerunner trilogy because from everything I’ve seen and heard it’s a phenomenally written sci-fi story. One thing I really like is how the Forerunner have a flawed society where their fall is just as much their own fault as it was from an outside force (you’ll want to check and see if notifications for replies are enabled if you want to continue this schitzo conversation)
Contact Harvest is one of my favorite Halo books and will definitely be covered on this channel at some point. After reading that book, I got a whole new love for the prophet of Truth. The power hungry halo 2 version of Truth. Not the crazy religious zealot we saw in Halo 3. I hadn’t heard about his ultimate plan in Halo 3 before. It’s definitely interesting. I’ve watched sabertooths video too. It definitely is eye opening and points out blaring holes in the lore, that is what happens when you put someone in charge of your ongoing franchise that did not have any involvement in the story that came before. I do think Greg Bear did a great job of cleaning up Frankie’s mess. Thanks for watching
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(Gonna preface this by saying I’m not trying to be combative. I’m just talking about various changes in the lore)
While this is certainly a really interesting idea, I’m personally not a big fan of humans and Forerunners being split into separate species. For the super majority of Bungie’s canon humans and Forerunners were one and the same (the ONLY outliers were the few things Frank O’Conner had direct control over). In fact, that knowledge is what the Prophets started the Human Covenant War to cover up. Our existence as the children of their gods invalidated their claim to be the true inheritors of the Forerunner’s technology/legacy, and the fact we were Forerunners who were “left behind” after the Rings were fired disproved their belief in the Great Journey. If this revelation given to them by Mendicant Bias (quote from Contact Harvest goes like this: "For eons I have watched. Listened to you misinterpret. This is not reclamation. This is reclaimer. And those it represents are my creators.") ever got out the Covenant would dissolve. That’s why they waged a BRUTAL war of extermination. Although, it was kept vague as to whether or not we were literal Forerunners, or apes molded into Forerunners. Since Halo was originally meant to take place in our real world it would’ve had to have been the latter, and that’s would’ve been the big reveal of Halo 2’s ending where the Arbiter finds a humanoid skeleton that acted as the template for the Ark (later changed to the portal to the Ark in 3) to create a new “generation” of Forerunners using existing earth fauna (343’s visual design for the Forerunners would still work since the process of creating Forerunners using hominids as a base wouldn’t be exact. There was some really cool religious symbolism where the being who activated the Array and had been guiding our development was implied to be the Abrahamic god. Some of the more mythical Bible stories like Noah building an Ark to save life from a coming Flood and God creating man in his image would’ve been recontextualized in Halo as symbolic retellings of Forerunner history and how they made us in their image. Something else that’s really cool about Halo 2’s original ending is that Truth’s plan was actually perfectly coherent. His plan was to use the Rings to wipe the slate clean and use the Ark’s machinery to create a new species based on his genome, becoming God that way. In a way the Great Journey was very real, but only ONE could walk it. He killed off the other two hierarchs to eliminate competition, and plunged his own empire into civil war to ensure the Covenant would be too distracted killing each other to figure out what he was doing. While all of this was happening he’d be safe beneath the Ark’s shield getting ready to start to reseeding process in his image. The reason he didn’t care about his species potentially going extinct, High Charity being overrun by the Flood, or yet another galactic outbreak is because none of that would’ve mattered anyways after firing the Rings).
I’m really torn on a lot of 343’s lore because there’s a lot of things I really like, but a lot of it doesn’t mesh with what Bungie set up. By no means am I calling you an idiot for either getting things wrong or liking the new direction. In fact, for the longest time I thought that Bungie couldn’t make their mind up about exactly who the Forerunners were until I saw C3Sabertooth’s We Were Forerunner video. It’s like an hour long and packed with information. Although, it will be longer since you’ll have to pause every now and then to read all the quick messages (he does that so the video isn’t a thousand years long). He also has videos animating Halo 2’s storyboards and they’re really cool.
There’s this really cool theory that the Primordial’s revelations that was too terrible to live with was that the Flood wasn’t actually the result of Precursors being corroborated. Instead it was a part of their plan to create new species and let them advance to a certain point gaining new experiences before an inevitable harvest. This knowledge that they were essentially cattle bred for cyclic harvest is what caused them to kys because they didn’t want to be harvested and also couldn’t live with the knowledge they were created to be slaughtered like animals. If that’s the case that would be wonderfully Lovecraftian. That theory reminds me of how in Dead Space the Markers spread throughout space and will lead to intelligence arising, and said intelligences will reach a point where they’ll have massive resource/energy needs. The Markers first appear as a blessing before leading the civilization to destruction, and the Markers they make will repeat the cycle.
Even though it messes up a lot of Halo’s lore I really should read the Forerunner trilogy because from everything I’ve seen and heard it’s a phenomenally written sci-fi story. One thing I really like is how the Forerunner have a flawed society where their fall is just as much their own fault as it was from an outside force (you’ll want to check and see if notifications for replies are enabled if you want to continue this schitzo conversation)
Contact Harvest is one of my favorite Halo books and will definitely be covered on this channel at some point. After reading that book, I got a whole new love for the prophet of Truth. The power hungry halo 2 version of Truth. Not the crazy religious zealot we saw in Halo 3. I hadn’t heard about his ultimate plan in Halo 3 before. It’s definitely interesting. I’ve watched sabertooths video too. It definitely is eye opening and points out blaring holes in the lore, that is what happens when you put someone in charge of your ongoing franchise that did not have any involvement in the story that came before. I do think Greg Bear did a great job of cleaning up Frankie’s mess. Thanks for watching
Man, of course the sansheyum betrayed them.
Oh but they paid for it. Check out Part 6. ua-cam.com/video/I8cCSQf2zmw/v-deo.htmlsi=oEMxKAdpoFWYyw2e