Fernando: What's Ocon doing? He needs to give me back the position. All the time you have to leave the space! Fernando's engineer: Fernando Ocon is out of a seat in 2025. Fernando: Karma.
I see the difference. In Jedda Fernando was his teammate, so Ocon went for the full first degree premeditated murder instead of the non-teammate option of vehicular manslaughter
@@the_vortex1537 Both parts agree to not renew the contract, that usually means Alpine, finally, decided not to renew a mediocre driver like Ocon, who is ALWAYS obsessed with his team mate and now he probably will drive for Haas, mediocre driver in a mediocre car. Just a few more years and he's out!!
@@SweetFlexZ yk i also hate ocons personality but he had the potential to be a fan fav driver bc of his backstory also he is not a mediocre driver, he matched alonso who is one of the best (ik alonso was rusty in 2021 and had bad luck in 2022) but still no mediocre friver could do that
@@the_vortex1537 I completely agree, he's far from a slow driver, he has the speed to be at the top and I'm not joking but his personality, his arrogance, and his obsession with team mates made him (in the long run) out of F1 without being relevant.
@@the_vortex1537 he had the potential, but he's too stupid to understand that sometimes letting your faster teammate pass you is better than losing time/positions to other cars
Max used to do this constantly when he was still a teenager. The worst I’ve seen was 2016 Spa after Eau Rouge down the straight on Kimi. But he’s done it so many times. 2016 Japan on Lewis at the chicane at the end of the race, 2016 Hungary on Kimi at turn 2, 2018 Baku on Ricciardo, those are the only ones that spring to mind off the top of my head.
I really hope Ocon does not have a seat going forward. He always races dirty against his teammates to a dangerous level, and sometimes races dirty against others as well. It's not worth it to have him on your team when he is an average driver that brings a shitload of internal issues and danger.
Dude, even if that move isn't clean, it's still legal. Verstappen did this many times before, FIA had to clarify this, and yet you don't say that he's a dirty racer. 🤨
I'd love to see your reaction when he inevitably gets a new seat, regardless of his mentality Ocon went blow for blow with Alonso while they were at Alpine, he deserves a new seat.
@gunzStatic You perfectly know that there are at least 7 drivers on the grid that could do the same, if not worse. Does your life improve after letting go out your biased hatred towards a driver on the Internet?
@@Queue_M4 What? How did Ocon go blow for blow with Alonso?? Ocon was MAYBE somewhat on par with Alonso in 2021, when Alonso came back after a 2 year hiatus, and somewhat facilitated by Ocons 25 points in Hungary (it was somewhat lucky, but fair enough. Thats racing). But 2022, Alonso would've destroyed Ocon if Alonso didnt collect engine DNFs like Pokemon cards. But in no world can you say that Ocon went blow for blow with Alonso. Never.
@@raymondo43 i dont really think alonso has ever liked that racing style, watch 2022 hungarian gp, he's really pissed by the overly aggressive defense of ocon
This is where i first heard experienced f1… the sound of an F1 approached me so fast… and it was so loud and violent bro… out of impulse and instinct i dove onto the ground… i thought all hell broke loose… i didnt even realize i was on the ground till after the scare… 19k revs type stuff…
there were many moves like the one in spain in the past, some went wrong other overtook from the grass, if not ask Barrichello how it felt going so close to the wall when shumy left enough space to him, the one in jeddah is a stupid move from alonso
We know what happens when a car goes over the back of another. Shit, Fernando knows that very well (Melbourne 2016 and even Austin 2023). Webber in Valencia 2010 could have easily gone into the catch fence. If Fernando doesn't back out in Jeddah, we don't have a Fernando anymore.
as you mature you realize that is better losing one position or a couple of tenths than the whole race, thats something you learn in WEC where you can be in the back all the race and end up in the podium or winning the race
This isn't "actual racing" it's completely unsportsmanlike blocking without the least bit of skill involved. This would be a desperate newbie move in a video game, it's flatout inacceptable in actual F1 racing.
actual racing lol, go watch porsche cup to see how an actual racing looks like or bathrust 2014 final laps in v8 super cars, you can also watch those porsche vs corvette laps in the last lap of laguna seca when they crashed and one got a penalty for making a collision which this is what you call "actual racing" can cause, the accident not only dnf one but two cars
@raymondo43 so you're just gonna copy and paste the same reply everywhere then? it's not a "gotcha" comment, you're not proving anything to anyone other than you're an idiot.
I personally think the Spain defense isn't that egregious. Sure it's late, but it's not a reactionary move. Jeddah on the other hand was either clearly reactionary or just bad spatial awareness because he was looking the other way.
not really in jeddah he saw the mirrors and move to the left, on the side of alonso it was a stupid move from alonso as there is a wall and not enough space, though as racing driver he could saw other thing in that moment, it was a schumacher barichello moment, schumacher did the same to barichello though in the case of barrichelo we got 1cm or something from the wall and overtook schumy
I was in the grandstand overlooking T1-2, and the Spanish fans went absolutely ballistic when Alonso made this overtake. Especially so since they were booing Ocon every chance they could get prior to this.
I’m a seasoned Ocon hater but I genuinely don’t understand the Jeddah late move. There was never a cars width for Fernando to begin with, the move was never on
Could you please do a similar video about borderline racing about Max, Russell, Checo, Stroll, Magnussen, Sargeant, and Sainz? It would be interesting to show some people here that Ocon is not the single center of attention in that domain.
@@TheKostick >Some mentions Max >Gets immediately defensive and insecure >Assumes person is a Lewis fan Good lord I'm so thankful I don't stan drivers or anyone else.
@@Minx5892 "defensive and insecure.." bla bla blah. Hamilton had incidents and crashes with like half a grid over the past years, this is a fact. So why he isn't in his list in the first place? And I'm pretty sure if I would mention Perez or Stroll, you wouldn't even reply to me.
@@TheKostickwow, I did not expect someone jumping straight into fantasy, eluding the main question and asking something irrelevant that early in the discussion. Congratulations, I guess. To answer your question : before his first title, Max was considered an aggressive overtaker and defender. I am not criticizing this : this is motor racing, but a bunch of moves have been judged irregular by the FIA and that is a fact. The point here is to stop focusing on the sole person of Ocon and to put things in perspective, for the understanding, the sake and the love of motor racing, so it keeps being a nice and welcoming place for every fan, and respectful to any driver.
@@TheKostick if you had mentioned Perez or Stroll, then it would have looked like you did not even read the comment you would be replying. That would look awkward.
Alonso himself said that there was nothing wrong with this move but of course, you had to make this video to fit the narrative. Pathetic to say at least.
Hard racing but legal, especially in jeddah, if alonso goes to the outside, everything is fine. But he has to go inside, where even before ocons more, barely was enough space
I still don't know what Ocon had in mind in Jeddah 2022 and why Alpine didn't call team orders. Conspiracy time, it was to get Hamilton back in front, given that Hamilton was starting P16 and Ocon in managed by Toto.
You're not supposed to react to what the car behind does as it's considered blocking. Pick a line and stick with it. Bit different in F1 I guess with DRS making this overtake an inevitability, which makes ocons 'defensive gesture' here completely pointless. All he's doing is pissing off his peers 😂🤦
Jeddah move is in reaction to what Alonso does, it's blocking and a bad move. Barcelona move looks like they move at the same time, don't think that's too bad from Ocon.
@@ferst262 A late move implies that the defensive move was made in reaction to the attacking driver. Ocon's move in Jeddah was a late move and also arguably a second move too, just straight dangerous and he should have been penalised. However, in Barcelona, Ocon starts moving at the same time as Alonso, or at least within the same fraction of a second. It's borderline, if Ocon's move was any later it would definitely be a late move but I think he gets away with it there. I think it would be harsh to give a penalty for that move. And what a scathing criticism from someone so wise... I agree with half of what you said...
Dirty driver and honestly deserves all the flack he gets. It'd be one thing if he was fast, but he's not. Elbows out when fighting for the win is understandable. We've seen a lot of drivers do this, although some more on the nose than others but Ocon does it literally constantly.
@@ihsanjayadi88 Schumacher was super aggressive, like Max is nowadays, but they have results to show for. Ocon never won anything for being aggressive. He is just a silly dirty driver.
Well, Ocon is a very... he's a driver... The situation in Jeddah looks much clearer than discussed. First of all Alonso was his teammate. In this case, his maneuver was somewhat fair. He didn't push him against the wall ;) But secondly, Ocon had no intention of putting pressure on Alonso. He simply stayed on the inside and closed the small gap, so that Alonso had to brake or overtake on the right. If Alonso was willing to overtake on the right, we would not be discussing the situation. Ocon is a special driver, but the situation in Jeddah is not as bad as you described.
"[...] so that Alonso had to brake" - in a straight, you're not allowed to close the gap if the car in the back has any overlap with you (unlike in corners). There was a gap (as you admitted), and closing it this late was dangerous and illegal "He didn't push him against the wall" - yes, he would've if Alonso didn't take avoiding action "[The maneuver was fair because Alonso was his teammate]" - what are you on about? Do you even believe what you're saying? Or are you just here to troll?
@@val_de_maar you take comments much to serious. You know how Ocon acts against teammates? He is focussed on his teammates and prefers to loose positions so he can defend his teammates. sarcasm isn't your strength, hm?! And with all that, the Jeddah move was kind of harmless if you compare it with all his other maneuvers... But why would one try to squeeze through the smallest gap instead of trying to overtake on the outside? Ocon is also one of the drivers who brakes too late, if he is under pressure. Just let him fly threw... At least is also protecting the position and closing this small gap a very common move. Nothing other drivers doesn't do in this situation.
@@val_de_maaryou can See from ocons onboard, he moves a carlenght before the line. 1:27 you can See alonso, way before that line. Look how there is no space inside, still alonso wants to go there instead of going around the outside. Its a Hard but fair move from ocon, just stupid from the team perspective, and a stupid idea from alonso to try to go down the inside
@@chrischichrischi Firstly, I cant smell over text if a claim of yours is sarcastic or not. You saying that this maneuver was fair because it was against a teammate might be a thing some people actually wholeheartedly believe, so how could I differentiate sarcastic comments from serious comments? Put yourself in my shoes there. Also, is you saying that the Jeddah move was harmless also sarcastic? Because I believe it is - Alonso pit-maneuvering Ocon into a concrete wall with 300 kph mightve been quite a big shunt. Closing a gap on the straight is fine, as long as you dont do it as late as Ocon. There was a gap there, and Alonso went for it. If Ocon closed it earlier, and left Alonso a chance to switch to the outside without needing to break, that wouldve been fine as well. But what Ocon did, needing Alonso to avoid a collision by braking - thats just not cool!
Fernando: What's Ocon doing? He needs to give me back the position. All the time you have to leave the space!
Fernando's engineer: Fernando Ocon is out of a seat in 2025.
Fernando: Karma.
Fernando Ocon is a funny name.
No he’s not
@@gopr3117 he is. like Giovinazzi for the same thing.
Estabanned Ogone
Nico Rosberg Bahrain 2012 and Jolyon Palmer Monza 2017 combined 😂
I see the difference. In Jedda Fernando was his teammate, so Ocon went for the full first degree premeditated murder instead of the non-teammate option of vehicular manslaughter
😳
Lolol
what a lovely chap he still consider fernando his teammate after he left
Classic Ocon
@@raymondo43you want a baguette?
agree
Going 320 and you move last second 😮😮
This ocon is danger
osama and ocon in merc in 2025. season whould be a fire
I'm glad they kicked ocon from Alpine :)
he left on his own and its bad for alpine that he left as he may not be a good teammate, and neither is gasly, but he is a good driver
@@the_vortex1537 Both parts agree to not renew the contract, that usually means Alpine, finally, decided not to renew a mediocre driver like Ocon, who is ALWAYS obsessed with his team mate and now he probably will drive for Haas, mediocre driver in a mediocre car.
Just a few more years and he's out!!
@@SweetFlexZ yk i also hate ocons personality but he had the potential to be a fan fav driver bc of his backstory also he is not a mediocre driver, he matched alonso who is one of the best (ik alonso was rusty in 2021 and had bad luck in 2022) but still no mediocre friver could do that
@@the_vortex1537 I completely agree, he's far from a slow driver, he has the speed to be at the top and I'm not joking but his personality, his arrogance, and his obsession with team mates made him (in the long run) out of F1 without being relevant.
@@the_vortex1537 he had the potential, but he's too stupid to understand that sometimes letting your faster teammate pass you is better than losing time/positions to other cars
Sir, I've just found your channel few days back. You are a gem.
I LOVE ALONSO
Ocon doing his best Senna & Schumacher impression
only need 90 more wins. he'll get there someday
Verstappen is also a dirty driver. You need to drive like this to be a champ
@@pramitpratimdas8198 Except ocon is anything but a champ
@@pramitpratimdas8198maybe, but Verstappen is also just fast. Ocon simply isn't.
He was, he isn't now. And he's champion now, when he's driving.... clean. @@pramitpratimdas8198
"I'm team player"
Max used to do this constantly when he was still a teenager. The worst I’ve seen was 2016 Spa after Eau Rouge down the straight on Kimi. But he’s done it so many times. 2016 Japan on Lewis at the chicane at the end of the race, 2016 Hungary on Kimi at turn 2, 2018 Baku on Ricciardo, those are the only ones that spring to mind off the top of my head.
key thing is used, now he does perfect races
Ocon fought with passion to become a hated driver, you gotta respect his efforts!!! What an absolute asshole
I think the key here is that the late move that Ocon makes is clearly a reaction to Alosno istead of picking a defensive line, which is not allowed.
"Fernando behind, is faster than you"
I hope one day tables will be turned and Ocon taste his own medicine. Maybe he'll learn, maybe...
He will just collide and say that the other car "turned into him"
I really hope Ocon does not have a seat going forward. He always races dirty against his teammates to a dangerous level, and sometimes races dirty against others as well. It's not worth it to have him on your team when he is an average driver that brings a shitload of internal issues and danger.
Dude, even if that move isn't clean, it's still legal. Verstappen did this many times before, FIA had to clarify this, and yet you don't say that he's a dirty racer. 🤨
I'd love to see your reaction when he inevitably gets a new seat, regardless of his mentality Ocon went blow for blow with Alonso while they were at Alpine, he deserves a new seat.
@@Michael_Irohazaka Pero Max gaña carreiras, así que polo menos a súa conducción sí sirve de algo
@gunzStatic You perfectly know that there are at least 7 drivers on the grid that could do the same, if not worse. Does your life improve after letting go out your biased hatred towards a driver on the Internet?
@@Queue_M4 What? How did Ocon go blow for blow with Alonso?? Ocon was MAYBE somewhat on par with Alonso in 2021, when Alonso came back after a 2 year hiatus, and somewhat facilitated by Ocons 25 points in Hungary (it was somewhat lucky, but fair enough. Thats racing). But 2022, Alonso would've destroyed Ocon if Alonso didnt collect engine DNFs like Pokemon cards. But in no world can you say that Ocon went blow for blow with Alonso. Never.
I think Fernando even enjoys this stuff xD
Ocon really wants to replicate the Schumi-Barrichello near-wall thingy
@yelistener, awesome videos man. Very happy subscriber here.
Great work, thank you.
Keep them coming.
It's not new layout, it's back to 90's layout.
it's new if you're a drive to survive fan 😂
Im so glad he does not got another year in trashpine
That last corner always reminds me of Rossi and lorenzo from 2009...
Ocon is that one sim driver trying to play crash bandicoot
All the time you have to leave the space!
he's trying to lure fernando into crashing
Alonso himself said there was nothing wrong with his move, just hard racing. Why are you complaining?
@@raymondo43 i dont really think alonso has ever liked that racing style, watch 2022 hungarian gp, he's really pissed by the overly aggressive defense of ocon
If you don't close a gap that exists as another driver is entering it, you are not an Ocon or Stroll.
I think stroll almost did a similar move to gasly in '21 here
10s penalty for Ocon
I still think Ocon is a very good amd tallented driver
First clip he mistook Alonso for his teammate still
Ocon being Ocon. Hard to like.
Alonso himself said there was nothing wrong with his move, just hard racing. Why are you complaining?
@@raymondo43 why are you commenting?
@@lukavujeva6584To prove you wrong.
@@raymondo43 Esteban, is this you?
@@lukavujeva6584 Typical. No arguments.
Honestly, I'm glad Alpine left him alone.
Ocon oconeando
This is where i first heard experienced f1… the sound of an F1 approached me so fast… and it was so loud and violent bro… out of impulse and instinct i dove onto the ground… i thought all hell broke loose… i didnt even realize i was on the ground till after the scare… 19k revs type stuff…
there were many moves like the one in spain in the past, some went wrong other overtook from the grass, if not ask Barrichello how it felt going so close to the wall when shumy left enough space to him, the one in jeddah is a stupid move from alonso
Penalty for ocon
I don't think that there was space for Alonso at any point in the Jeddah clip
We know what happens when a car goes over the back of another. Shit, Fernando knows that very well (Melbourne 2016 and even Austin 2023). Webber in Valencia 2010 could have easily gone into the catch fence. If Fernando doesn't back out in Jeddah, we don't have a Fernando anymore.
as you mature you realize that is better losing one position or a couple of tenths than the whole race, thats something you learn in WEC where you can be in the back all the race and end up in the podium or winning the race
Ocon is a great driver .... on an empty track
F1 fans when there is actual racing 😱
This isn't "actual racing" it's completely unsportsmanlike blocking without the least bit of skill involved. This would be a desperate newbie move in a video game, it's flatout inacceptable in actual F1 racing.
deathrtrooper2048 when a driver makes dangerous moves👍
actual racing lol, go watch porsche cup to see how an actual racing looks like or bathrust 2014 final laps in v8 super cars, you can also watch those porsche vs corvette laps in the last lap of laguna seca when they crashed and one got a penalty for making a collision which this is what you call "actual racing" can cause, the accident not only dnf one but two cars
This is ocon exactly
Alonso himself said there was nothing wrong with his move, just hard racing. What is your problem?
But pushing Alonso into narrow space was dangerous enough.
@@umaniescin lmao, more like Alonso trying to force himself into the space that wasn't there but whatever
I guess you're right. I didn't know there was that much space.
@raymondo43 so you're just gonna copy and paste the same reply everywhere then? it's not a "gotcha" comment, you're not proving anything to anyone other than you're an idiot.
I personally think the Spain defense isn't that egregious. Sure it's late, but it's not a reactionary move. Jeddah on the other hand was either clearly reactionary or just bad spatial awareness because he was looking the other way.
not really in jeddah he saw the mirrors and move to the left, on the side of alonso it was a stupid move from alonso as there is a wall and not enough space, though as racing driver he could saw other thing in that moment, it was a schumacher barichello moment, schumacher did the same to barichello though in the case of barrichelo we got 1cm or something from the wall and overtook schumy
Sigmalonso cooked beta ocon
Typical Ocon move (or Stroll).
You see the orange grandstand 0:23 when jos was in the gravel here… i was the only orange army there looong ago… the first
It was grass and wood seats back then if i remember correctly… or just grass even…
I was in the grandstand overlooking T1-2, and the Spanish fans went absolutely ballistic when Alonso made this overtake. Especially so since they were booing Ocon every chance they could get prior to this.
Estenba
Tbh, Jeddah is nothing compared to the dirty ass move in Spain. In Jeddah Ocon clearly chosed interior line. In Spain it was pure dirty ass blocking
I’m a seasoned Ocon hater but I genuinely don’t understand the Jeddah late move. There was never a cars width for Fernando to begin with, the move was never on
Wasn’t too bad
The 2 clips aren't the same though tbh. The 2nd one Alonso is going for gap that barely exists
I'm definitely not an Ocon fan but if the move is within the rules then why not defend? I have seen him doing worse things than those two moves...
Yeah Alonso was asked about it after the race in Barcelona and he said he had no problem with the move. Weird hill for everyone here to die on tbh
Ocon prefers crash both cars better than let his teammate overtake him.
Could you please do a similar video about borderline racing about Max, Russell, Checo, Stroll, Magnussen, Sargeant, and Sainz? It would be interesting to show some people here that Ocon is not the single center of attention in that domain.
What's wrong with Max? Love how you didn't even mention Hamilton in the first place.
@@TheKostick >Some mentions Max
>Gets immediately defensive and insecure
>Assumes person is a Lewis fan
Good lord I'm so thankful I don't stan drivers or anyone else.
@@Minx5892 "defensive and insecure.." bla bla blah. Hamilton had incidents and crashes with like half a grid over the past years, this is a fact. So why he isn't in his list in the first place? And I'm pretty sure if I would mention Perez or Stroll, you wouldn't even reply to me.
@@TheKostickwow, I did not expect someone jumping straight into fantasy, eluding the main question and asking something irrelevant that early in the discussion. Congratulations, I guess.
To answer your question : before his first title, Max was considered an aggressive overtaker and defender. I am not criticizing this : this is motor racing, but a bunch of moves have been judged irregular by the FIA and that is a fact. The point here is to stop focusing on the sole person of Ocon and to put things in perspective, for the understanding, the sake and the love of motor racing, so it keeps being a nice and welcoming place for every fan, and respectful to any driver.
@@TheKostick if you had mentioned Perez or Stroll, then it would have looked like you did not even read the comment you would be replying. That would look awkward.
Ocon Debería estar en en la Cárcel y no en F1
Alonso himself said that there was nothing wrong with this move but of course, you had to make this video to fit the narrative. Pathetic to say at least.
Dude its your THIRD video about Ocon blocking Fernando
Yeah he is able to find the content which is... unexpected?
He still has like 5-6 more videos just about Ocon blocking Alonso, and then like 20-30 more with Ocon blocking other teammates
Ocon is the most toxic teammate in the current lineup
Enséñenmen a hacer estod video ps UA-cam 😢
Penalty for Ocon
nice username my friend
Cringe nickname. LGBTQ is not something woke, it’s basic human rights
Hard racing but legal, especially in jeddah, if alonso goes to the outside, everything is fine. But he has to go inside, where even before ocons more, barely was enough space
I still don't know what Ocon had in mind in Jeddah 2022 and why Alpine didn't call team orders. Conspiracy time, it was to get Hamilton back in front, given that Hamilton was starting P16 and Ocon in managed by Toto.
I love this accounts dedication to pointing out what a pile of garbage Ocon is
Ocon being Ocon as usual.
Tbh I am glad he's leaving Alpine. Doubt any other team would want to have him.
Alonso himself said that there was nothing wrong with that move. Why are you complaining?
Esteban showed himself as unstable teammate ever since he joined Force India. 2020 is exception
Seems you already forgot the Force India episode then...
Well he got utterly destroyed by Ric in 2020 so had no chance to be a horrible teammate.
@@Reaz399 that's what I talking about
@@Michael_Irohazaka which one?
Force India was 100% of Perez’s part. He started the fiasco in Canada and continued to blame Ocon for his own selfishness.
first!!
You have Max to thank for these late moves
Oh god, you're one of those
@@fernando_chadlonso probably has his soul still stuck in 2021 at an Arab nation
Toto is his manager, so he probably learned it from Hamilton
Dirty move, but legal?
Ocon is a clown
You're not supposed to react to what the car behind does as it's considered blocking. Pick a line and stick with it. Bit different in F1 I guess with DRS making this overtake an inevitability, which makes ocons 'defensive gesture' here completely pointless. All he's doing is pissing off his peers 😂🤦
I believe you are allowed to make 1 move. You can't move and immediately change direction though.
Ocon still has a recent race win whilst your crush alonslow has the record for most consecutive f1 starts without a win.
friendly reminder that the only reason ocon has ONE race win in F1 is due to Alsono's defense.
@@etrcentenario9737 that's your subjective take. What we can prove with data is ocon has a win and alonso doesn't for a decade +.
@@03056932 data can also show how many podiums each have had in the last decade
Ocon has no value, needs to go.
We get it that you don't like Ocon
Jeddah move is in reaction to what Alonso does, it's blocking and a bad move. Barcelona move looks like they move at the same time, don't think that's too bad from Ocon.
You have no idea about racing. Both of them are way too late to try and make Alonso crash
@@ferst262 A late move implies that the defensive move was made in reaction to the attacking driver. Ocon's move in Jeddah was a late move and also arguably a second move too, just straight dangerous and he should have been penalised.
However, in Barcelona, Ocon starts moving at the same time as Alonso, or at least within the same fraction of a second. It's borderline, if Ocon's move was any later it would definitely be a late move but I think he gets away with it there. I think it would be harsh to give a penalty for that move.
And what a scathing criticism from someone so wise... I agree with half of what you said...
Let's hope we won't see that fool again in F1...
Ocon is one of the worst drivers in the grid.
Ahh yes, the propaganda machine in full swing
Dirty driver and honestly deserves all the flack he gets. It'd be one thing if he was fast, but he's not. Elbows out when fighting for the win is understandable. We've seen a lot of drivers do this, although some more on the nose than others but Ocon does it literally constantly.
Ocon has got to be the dirtiest driver i've ever seen (and i follow F1 since Senna, Prost and Mansell days).
Then you're a bit blind to Schumacher's shenanigans
@@ihsanjayadi88 Schumacher was super aggressive, like Max is nowadays, but they have results to show for. Ocon never won anything for being aggressive. He is just a silly dirty driver.
Well, Ocon is a very... he's a driver...
The situation in Jeddah looks much clearer than discussed. First of all Alonso was his teammate. In this case, his maneuver was somewhat fair. He didn't push him against the wall ;)
But secondly, Ocon had no intention of putting pressure on Alonso. He simply stayed on the inside and closed the small gap, so that Alonso had to brake or overtake on the right. If Alonso was willing to overtake on the right, we would not be discussing the situation.
Ocon is a special driver, but the situation in Jeddah is not as bad as you described.
"[...] so that Alonso had to brake" - in a straight, you're not allowed to close the gap if the car in the back has any overlap with you (unlike in corners). There was a gap (as you admitted), and closing it this late was dangerous and illegal
"He didn't push him against the wall" - yes, he would've if Alonso didn't take avoiding action
"[The maneuver was fair because Alonso was his teammate]" - what are you on about? Do you even believe what you're saying? Or are you just here to troll?
@@val_de_maar you take comments much to serious. You know how Ocon acts against teammates? He is focussed on his teammates and prefers to loose positions so he can defend his teammates.
sarcasm isn't your strength, hm?!
And with all that, the Jeddah move was kind of harmless if you compare it with all his other maneuvers...
But why would one try to squeeze through the smallest gap instead of trying to overtake on the outside? Ocon is also one of the drivers who brakes too late, if he is under pressure. Just let him fly threw...
At least is also protecting the position and closing this small gap a very common move. Nothing other drivers doesn't do in this situation.
@@chrischichrischifinally someone with the right opinion
@@val_de_maaryou can See from ocons onboard, he moves a carlenght before the line.
1:27 you can See alonso, way before that line. Look how there is no space inside, still alonso wants to go there instead of going around the outside. Its a Hard but fair move from ocon, just stupid from the team perspective, and a stupid idea from alonso to try to go down the inside
@@chrischichrischi Firstly, I cant smell over text if a claim of yours is sarcastic or not. You saying that this maneuver was fair because it was against a teammate might be a thing some people actually wholeheartedly believe, so how could I differentiate sarcastic comments from serious comments? Put yourself in my shoes there.
Also, is you saying that the Jeddah move was harmless also sarcastic? Because I believe it is - Alonso pit-maneuvering Ocon into a concrete wall with 300 kph mightve been quite a big shunt.
Closing a gap on the straight is fine, as long as you dont do it as late as Ocon. There was a gap there, and Alonso went for it. If Ocon closed it earlier, and left Alonso a chance to switch to the outside without needing to break, that wouldve been fine as well. But what Ocon did, needing Alonso to avoid a collision by braking - thats just not cool!
Ocon has to be one of the dirtiest drivers
All these crybabies in the comments. If Alonso did this he would be thoroughly applauded for it
Well, if you block one of the most "toxic" drivers on the grid, and everyone is against you, it's time for some introspection.
In Jeddah Ocon did nothing wrong, Alonsa is getting old en just like Lewis time to retire...
Fernado is the worse driver currently on the grid in Barcelona. His average gap since comeback is half a seconds slower to his teamamte
The unlikeable Ocon
Alonso himself said there was nothing wrong with his move, just hard racing. Why are you complaining?
@@raymondo43Not complaining, just said he's unlikeable. Reading not your strong suit?
¡Así es una persona frustrada que necesita ayuda "pepsicológica"!
Ocon is lacks class.
Catalunya was fine. Jeddah danger
Srokon out 2025