The big difference little cassette deck belts can make

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  • Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
  • Experimenting with replacing the belts in the TEAC W-1200 cassette deck (a.k.a. TASCAM 202mkVII) to see if it can reduce the wow & flutter and improve its performance. The correct sizes turned out to be SCX 5.1 and SCY 4.6. Changing the belts is easy, but order extras, because as I show, you may need to experiment with several to find ones that deliver the best performance.

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  • @deekay2
    @deekay2 3 роки тому +103

    I bet 95% less cassette decks would have been thrown in the garbage if they would have simply made it easier to change the belts.

    • @krzysztofczarnecki8238
      @krzysztofczarnecki8238 7 місяців тому +4

      how some cassette players are constructed makes it very difficult yo try the "Bag-O-Belts" approach, because you need to disassemble and reassemble the whole thing. Especialy that the symptoms of a belt that is a bit too small and a bit too big can be exactly the same. And then you lose a snap ring or a spring and what was supposed to be an hour of repair turns into a week of search.

  • @JaredConnell
    @JaredConnell 3 роки тому +291

    I think you're the only UA-camrs still around that doesn't have a Patreon or sponsorships or a bunch of adsense ads clogging up the timeline and I wanna say thank you for doing it for the love of it not for the money. 😁

    • @gmcnewlook
      @gmcnewlook 3 роки тому +31

      i would imagine vwestlife does it as a hobby only for fun which is what it should be (power to those who do make it their job)

    • @JamesE707
      @JamesE707 3 роки тому +9

      Well said!

    • @KGB240
      @KGB240 3 роки тому +18

      I wouldn't mind at all if they made a Patreon

    • @video99couk
      @video99couk 3 роки тому +15

      I have limited ads on my videos, and would rather have none at all. But UA-cam doesn't tend to recommend videos without monetisation, so particularly for small-medium channels, it's a necessary evil. I know others feel the same, ads are not done for love of the money, believe me.

    • @imansfield
      @imansfield 3 роки тому +3

      I’ve never understood why people use patreon. If someone wants to make a UA-cam video then great, but I’m not gonna pay you to do it.

  • @calypso22
    @calypso22 3 роки тому +25

    Apologies if you've mentioned this in your video. I may have missed it. I use a number of old decks and I have found that cleaning the pulleys very well with alcohol is essential as they collect a lot of grime and belt material. The new belts should also be pulled through alcohol soaked micro fiber cloth as the manufacturing process can leave a lot of loose debris.

  • @santioriginal
    @santioriginal 3 роки тому +23

    Always a pleasure when you’re doing a cassette deck video. Thank you! I hope the boys / girls from TEAC/TASCAM are watching attentively and writing notes for further future upgrades. And I hope the boys/girls from Technics, JVC, Sony , Thorens or Dual remember they once upon a time made also beautiful decks and are now getting a ‘go ahead’ from their boss.

  • @joshm264
    @joshm264 3 роки тому +24

    Speaking of cassette decks, I just recently fixed my Nakamichi deck! And while I was working on it I had your videos on autoplay!

  • @macktheinterloper
    @macktheinterloper 3 роки тому +23

    That's the cassette out of the way. Can't wait for the tape one.

  • @TechGorilla1987
    @TechGorilla1987 3 роки тому +35

    I was just helping my father clear out old stuff from a basement and I found an old smoking secession kit called Cigarrest We assume it was late 80's or early 90's circa - unopened. It had a cassette tape in it. I also found a box of various cassettes and 8-tracks tapes.

    • @joshm264
      @joshm264 3 роки тому +2

      Oddity archive featured the ad for that on one of his episodes!

    • @TechGorilla1987
      @TechGorilla1987 3 роки тому +2

      @@joshm264 Thank you for the tip on that channel! I didn't find that episode, but I subbed for the Magnavox Odyssey II video.

    • @yanikkunitsin1466
      @yanikkunitsin1466 3 роки тому

      @@TechGorilla1987 here is AD - ua-cam.com/video/Zifcn4jXb-g/v-deo.html
      "5 packs a day for a while" Yeah, right.

  • @JonGallon
    @JonGallon 3 роки тому +52

    Both ends of smoking spectrum, on cassettes.

    • @CommodoreFan64
      @CommodoreFan64 3 роки тому +7

      Yep, and there where at least a few of these tapes from Tobacco companies given as a promotional with a carton of smokes, my dad(partly died from smoking) had a Best of Marlboro County Music tape in his farm truck for years in the 80's.

    • @MrDuncl
      @MrDuncl 3 роки тому +3

      In the 1970s you could get the cassette recorder for free if you collected enough Benson & Hedges certificates. I have a scan of the 1973 catalogue and it was 12150 for a National Panasonic. It seems you got 5 in a pack so you would need to have smoked a lot to get one.
      The only free cassettes I have were pop compilations which you could get by sending in wrappers from McVities biscuits. Nowadays someone would probably claim that was encouraging children to eat unhealthily.

    • @CommodoreFan64
      @CommodoreFan64 3 роки тому +3

      @@MrDuncl Marlboro at least here in the USA did the same in the 80's and 90's with their Miles program, it was 2 miles a pack if I remember correctly, as my dad had me help cut them out as a kid, and one of the rewards was a Marlboro branded portable tape deck with AM/FM radio, and later on a portable branded CD player(sorry can't remember who actually made them for Marlboro), I remember it taking thousands of Miles to get anything, even a stupid T-shirt. These days it makes me 🤢 thinking about how many people including my dad they conned, and helped kill with these promotional schemes/scams!!

    • @MrDuncl
      @MrDuncl 3 роки тому +3

      @@CommodoreFan64 I have just had a better look at the catalogue. The cheapest items (like a set of candles) were around 300 certificates. The most expensive appears to be a Sharp portable TV at 33000 certificates. That is over 100000 cigarettes. The most ironic is a bicycle at 21800 certificates. Perhaps the fit looking pretty girl riding it is the smokers girlfriend. Of course back then if you switched to a pipe, girls would follow you like the Pied Piper ua-cam.com/video/uVTFDhue6pQ/v-deo.html In advertising times have changed. In the U.K. most Formula 1 teams were sponsored by Tobacco companies yet it was very controversial (with TV companies saying they wouldn't show it) when a condom manufacturer said it was going to sponsor a team.

  • @ThriftyAV
    @ThriftyAV 3 роки тому +14

    Wow! I've been considering a "belt replacement" video, but the Pioneer that I planned to feature has belts buried inside the transport. This setup looks WAY easier, and makes me want to dig into more of my decks and take a look.

  • @enricoself2256
    @enricoself2256 3 роки тому +16

    The pacific stereo motor will cost half of the total cost of the deck and based on tapeheads description is aimed at high-end deck. The next limiting factor in your TEAC deck will be the quality of the flywheels which is, to be honest, quite on the cheap side.

    • @video99couk
      @video99couk 3 роки тому +2

      I wonder if that could be replaced or made heavier and balanced.

    • @CorollaChronicles
      @CorollaChronicles 3 роки тому +1

      @@craigjensen6853 Not everybody is an audiophile. Keep that in mind.

  • @bf0189
    @bf0189 3 роки тому +17

    Woah my Dad stopped smoking from the subliminal stop smoking tape in the early 80s! I'm sure it was placebo but hey who cares if it made him stop! Very cool that you have the tape too and brought it up.

  • @nrdesign1991
    @nrdesign1991 3 роки тому +6

    You successfully brainwashed me with lonesome, lonesome George Jones. It's been stuck in my head since I first heard it in the outro.

  • @peterbustin2683
    @peterbustin2683 3 роки тому +1

    I enjoy this channel so much as it has this unique quirkiness you just dont find anywhere else. I have Aspergers, so it appeals to me.

  • @AMDRADEONRUBY
    @AMDRADEONRUBY 3 роки тому +10

    Nice a new video and about Cassette hope you have a nice day Kevin

    • @KGB240
      @KGB240 3 роки тому +2

      Nice a new comment and about Vwestlife hope you have a nice day AMDRADEONRUBY

  • @cvbabc
    @cvbabc 3 роки тому +11

    Michelle from the WFMU Incorrect Music show actually passed a few years back from a sudden illness. I believe she was in her thirties. I found this out several months ago when I Googled the show, however, I recently tried to look it up again and couldn't find the info. Very strange....

    • @vwestlife
      @vwestlife  3 роки тому +9

      I found an obituary for a Michelle Boule who died in Florida in 2017 at the age of 50, which sounds about right, because when she was on WFMU 20+ years ago she talked about previously being a school teacher in Kansas City. Still far too young to pass away.

  • @peacearchwa5103
    @peacearchwa5103 3 роки тому +5

    It would be useful to take note of the Peak W&F measurements. The legacy DIN specification for a hi-fi cassette deck is 0.20% peak weighted, not WRMS (weighted root-mean-squared). With the left-side deck and original belts, peak-weighted ranged between 0.24% and 0.30%, with the right-side deck, peak-weighted ranged between 0.15% and 0.20% which provides even stronger evidence about the deficiencies of the left-side deck's performance. Thanks for your hard work on this!

  • @1980sGamer
    @1980sGamer 3 роки тому +11

    For me, using Rubber Renue on belts can sometimes reduce wow and flutter. Did it on a friend's turntable belt and I do believe the wow and flutter did decrease a little bit.

  • @jimb032
    @jimb032 3 роки тому +21

    Jordan pier did a good video about this and why it's important to use good quality belts and not the 5$ bag of belts from China. Normally preserving the oem belts is better than replacing them...unless you can get real proper belts.
    EDIT ..it's equally important to replace the take-up reel belt when it's driven by the same motor due to a bungee effect from deviations.

    • @jmi5969
      @jmi5969 3 роки тому +4

      So true. But what is a good quality belt these days? Arent't the expensive belts simply taken out of the "five dollar bunch" and marked up to appear "premium"?

    • @jimb032
      @jimb032 3 роки тому +5

      @@jmi5969 Not hardly. And you can buy those from some sources and they make a heck of a difference. Even if they are, they are the ones that passed a "quality control" and dont have a deviation in thickness sometimes multiple times over the belts length. Watch the video and you will understand.
      I service 80-100 decks a year, and I make evey effort to keep the origionals because of this. If I have to buy belts, I always check the WAF afterwards.
      But you are probably right to one point, there are probably a good many people on fleabay doing exactly what you say. Another reason to stick to reputable sellers.

    • @musicstevecom
      @musicstevecom Рік тому +2

      @@jmi5969 or cheaper And every batch made is different,,,, lets say you buy from xxx and later buy from xxx a year later their no guarantee that they will be the same quality. is their a vender that actually make belts? or has quality control from China.

  • @okbridges
    @okbridges 3 роки тому +14

    Glad to see your keeping this up, Kevin. I don't know why so many people heap such scorn on this deck. Perhaps they fail to appreciate it for what it is, basically one of the last of its kind.
    BTW, we need more of that tape you played at the end.

    • @vwestlife
      @vwestlife  3 роки тому +9

      See my Incorrect Music Archive videos.

  • @BubbaBigDude
    @BubbaBigDude 3 роки тому +8

    I like to restore older cassette decks as one of my hobbies and it seems like it's hit-and-miss quality with the modern made belts. I replaced the belts in my Aiwa AD-F780 a year ago and already I'm having issues with wow & flutter, so I ordered new belts and pinch rollers.

    • @insolentstickleback3266
      @insolentstickleback3266 2 роки тому +2

      Where did you order your belts and pinch rollers? I have a Aiwa AD-WX777 that I want to delve into.

  • @Astralify
    @Astralify 3 роки тому +7

    That was a nice surprise. Can't wait for the motor swap video! Really curious to see if this uber-expensive PS motor is worth it in a mech like this.

  • @gagewhy7951
    @gagewhy7951 3 роки тому +10

    If thats the same marvac I'm thinking of, Ive visited the actual store before. It's pretty interesting, one of the few traditional electronics stores left in the area.

  • @vdochev
    @vdochev 3 роки тому +3

    Hey, greetings from Bulgaria :) Waiting for the next video with the motors. I bet it's going to be interesting.

  • @JamesE707
    @JamesE707 3 роки тому +7

    A thought crosses my mind concerning linear elasticity throughout the circumference of the belts. In short - Hooke's Law on the deformation of a material. It is quite probable that as the belt spins around under tension - the amount of 'expansion' is not proportional to the same amount of tension, albeit very small. Nevertheless it appears to be showing up on those Wow/Flutter tests you made.
    Interesting video!

  • @rapidloaf
    @rapidloaf 2 роки тому +1

    You are the best for figuring this out, so we don't have to go through the hassle of experimentation. My W-1200 will be delivered tomorrow and I can hardly contain my excitement!!

    • @steffenbrix
      @steffenbrix Рік тому

      Can you measure the w/f? 🙃

    • @rapidloaf
      @rapidloaf Рік тому

      @@steffenbrix hmm. Theres a software w/f tool for pc isn't there? I'll have to look into that, been too busy with work to really mess with it anymore.

  • @video99couk
    @video99couk 3 роки тому +6

    I installed a Pacific Stereo motor in a fairly high-end Aiwa XK-007 Excelia which required a new motor, along with good belts. Performance is fine, but no better than the original motor before failure.

  • @CanadianTalent1
    @CanadianTalent1 3 роки тому +3

    After hearing that clip at the end, I just had to find the full song which to my surprise is actually here on youtube!

    • @Selrisitai
      @Selrisitai 3 роки тому

      I couldn't find it, myself.

    • @CanadianTalent1
      @CanadianTalent1 3 роки тому +2

      @@Selrisitai Lonesome, Lonesome George Jones by Queenie Montgomery.
      Edit: I just noticed its on Spotify as well lol

  • @7evive
    @7evive 2 роки тому +2

    I cant wait for more upgrade videos!

  • @denispoirier19
    @denispoirier19 3 роки тому +5

    I'm actually going though this exact issue right now but on a Yamaha KX-1200 deck. In case anyone cares, the correct capstan belt for this unit is a FBM 9.6 (Flat Belt Medium 9.6 inches).

    • @zx12mark
      @zx12mark 6 місяців тому +1

      Starting my kx1200u now.

  • @ratos74
    @ratos74 3 роки тому +3

    From my experience only the capstan belt affects the wow and flutter. Nice video, nice explanation!

    • @65CJ5
      @65CJ5 2 роки тому +1

      That's usually the case but I had a pioneer ct-S405 where the drive belt did impact W&F. Depends on the mech design.

  • @toddlee2571
    @toddlee2571 2 роки тому +3

    When I was in the Navy I could get tapes for cheap and I used TDK SA-X AND Maxell XL-II S almost exclusively. And they're incredible.
    My daughter got into the cassette thing a couple of years ago and I was able to pick up some decent type-1 tapes for relatively cheap (Maxell, Sony, TDK and Fuji). I also scored a six pack of Maxell XL-II S for like 5 bucks each. That fad lasted maybe a year for my daughter so now I have quite the collection of cassettes doing absolutely nothing.

    • @panacea.palace
      @panacea.palace 8 місяців тому

      Hello, don't know if you still use the account or not but I'm currently going through my own personal tape craze haha. Would be interested in buying the tapes/paying for shipping if you feel like selling them

  • @TheScottytr6
    @TheScottytr6 3 роки тому +4

    I remember that OEM Nakamichi belts were shaved to ensure top specs. Worth a little extra for best performance.

  • @teensuicide9103
    @teensuicide9103 Рік тому

    My dude i had a really bad day. Rewatching this video and you made me smile within the first 10 seconds ❤

  • @monzarace
    @monzarace 3 роки тому +1

    great review! And really looking forward to seein and hearingabout the end result of installing the ne improved motors.
    And you could also go down the route of bettering the caps of the powersupply, leads, etc.

  • @thevacdude
    @thevacdude 3 роки тому +6

    Thanks for the video, Kevin.

  • @ferrograph
    @ferrograph Рік тому +2

    I can 3D print flat belts that perform nearly as good as the original belts for decks that had good w&f figures. I restore tape decks and bought in belts from all over that were supposedly premium but a very disappointed with all of them. So I decided to try printing them and it took over a year to perfect the process. If you would like to try some let me know.

    • @musicstevecom
      @musicstevecom Рік тому +2

      Interesting. what did you get the wow and flutter down to? how would cost for a flat belt?

    • @ferrograph
      @ferrograph Рік тому +2

      @@musicstevecom Depends on the deck. Should be able to achieve close to original spec if motor is good. DM me I'll send you some info.

  • @pigeonkillblah5373
    @pigeonkillblah5373 2 місяці тому +1

    I've spat coffee all over the keyboard because of the joke at the very beginning. Nice one.

  • @TechGorilla1987
    @TechGorilla1987 3 роки тому +12

    Barely tangential, but when we were kids, we suffered a belt to the bottom if we disobeyed. I tended to be a good kid, so belts certainly made a difference in my life. :D

    • @JaredConnell
      @JaredConnell 3 роки тому +7

      Did the size of the belt affect your owe and stutter?

    • @rillloudmother
      @rillloudmother 3 роки тому +1

      TMI

    • @yanikkunitsin1466
      @yanikkunitsin1466 3 роки тому

      It's all laugh and giggles... until dad beats you up with a pair of old rusty jumper cables

    • @rillloudmother
      @rillloudmother 3 роки тому +1

      @@yanikkunitsin1466 again TMI, consult a mental health professional.

    • @yanikkunitsin1466
      @yanikkunitsin1466 3 роки тому

      @@rillloudmother Jee-whiz, settle down ma boy... It's just but an old rusty meme

  • @rager1969
    @rager1969 3 роки тому +2

    Marvac is still around? Cool! I haven''t been there in 10-15 years. You got me thinking about the other "vac" store in Orange County and apparently Orvac is still around (been 25-30 years since I been there). Thanks for reminding me of these places.

  • @fardali6654
    @fardali6654 3 роки тому +2

    I have my own share of belts to replace, times 25 decks!!! Finds the best replacement belts is a must for me. Funny thing is all my low end decks works fine off the resale store shelf.

  • @Rick_Todd
    @Rick_Todd 3 роки тому +2

    I love those UR Hubs

  • @zorst99
    @zorst99 3 роки тому +4

    I would love a demo of the software and how you are able to measure wow and flutter I would like to be able to test my tape decks.

  • @enzobomba3941
    @enzobomba3941 Місяць тому +1

    thank you for the video!!! very helpful.

  • @Complextro93kg
    @Complextro93kg 3 роки тому +2

    For a new deck, its pretty good performance, hope new motor makes it even better.

  • @alexeypavlenko7513
    @alexeypavlenko7513 Місяць тому

    My old Ken quietly laughs at this monster 🤣

  • @TheJONNYSHADOW
    @TheJONNYSHADOW 3 роки тому +4

    Another great video. Always a pleasure to watch.
    How about picking the worst cassette recorder from the "The cheap '90s stereo systems that spawned today's cheap cassette decks" video & upgrade it?.
    Keep up the good work.

  • @MrAnalogDan12
    @MrAnalogDan12 3 роки тому +2

    Hello. I recently got a "belt kit" from the usual suspects. What I can say is that these belts induce a huge amount of W&F. To me, the quality of the said belts are really important. Sadly, the seller who sold me a good quality belt kit back in the day is no longer selling them.

  • @codebeat4192
    @codebeat4192 Рік тому +1

    I always clean the belts before and after installing to be sure there are no skin fats/acids (or accidentally touched grease of mechanism) left behind. This can make a world of difference. Also, be sure there no wrinkle or wrap in the belt and all wheels drive the same side of the belt. These mechanism have a very light flywheel and it possible the center is not exactly in the center or the weight is not even balanced because it is made out of cast iron. It is possible when you take the belt off again and install it again you will get slightly different results.

  • @Kartoffelliebhaber
    @Kartoffelliebhaber 5 місяців тому +1

    Could you please make the video where you experiment with the cassette deck motors? I'd be very interested to see it.

  • @paulb4uk
    @paulb4uk 3 роки тому +5

    Great findings i often buy specific kits from a few ebay sellers who,s belts have turned out to be ok i will be really interested in you findings with the better quality motors it might well make a difference as they might be better balanced internals so they might well be more stable speed .

  • @GeorgeGeorge-xj2bc
    @GeorgeGeorge-xj2bc 3 роки тому +1

    The flat belts on deck or video mechanisms are replaced when loosen enough or if there is movement of the belt sideways every time capstan starts.And replacement belts if there are available nowadays does not have some specific quality characteristics but simply are belts.

  • @oliverlotus
    @oliverlotus 3 роки тому +3

    Another great vid, Thank you.

  • @stepheng8779
    @stepheng8779 3 роки тому +3

    Always interesting, thanks 👍

  • @steffenbrix
    @steffenbrix Рік тому +1

    Could be great to see how it would perform with quality belts...!

  • @primtones
    @primtones 3 роки тому +30

    It's amazing how sensitive these players are for the slightest thickness variation in the belt.

    • @mileshigh1321
      @mileshigh1321 3 роки тому +1

      Surprising come up with something to give constant low wow & flutter, no matter the size of the belt!

    • @darinb.3273
      @darinb.3273 3 роки тому +7

      Ohhhh yes indeed square belts that vary in thickness as it turns adds the need for torque to move it, especially the tiny pulley on the motor. The governor circuit senses the slow down and compensates for the additional load. Now that it is past the thicker portion the governor is now sending the compensated power and now it is too much so again the governor compensates and by that time the thick portion is again going over the pulley. It makes it a vigorous endless cycle and on top of that the mass of the capstan is nothing compared to the very heavy capstans in the time of the GOLDEN age of cassette in its heyday. It's the same with the flat capstan belts (thickness of the flat portion as well as the width of the flat belt the result will be wow and flutter. Inconsistent thickness and inconsistencies in the width will cause speed fluctuations (wow and flutter). They don't put the time and workmanship into anything anymore with near about anything, from your bread toaster all the way to your vehicle. Nothing is made to last a lifetime anymore.

    • @westelaudio943
      @westelaudio943 3 роки тому +7

      Because the tanashin was originally designed for boomboxes, so the flywheel is rather flimsy. All the old school hi-fi decks had around 3" cast iron flywheel smoothing out the the speed inconsistencies. That's why so many of them still sound alright even with old worn belts and bad lubrication.

  • @jasond3954
    @jasond3954 3 роки тому +3

    I think you could probably make an entire youtube channel out of the stuff you recorded off the radio from 25 years ago.

  • @Nantawat_Kittiwarakul
    @Nantawat_Kittiwarakul 3 роки тому +6

    Had similar experience with my mediocre Sony double deck. The first replacement belt(s) I had was of literally rubber-band quality. A very, very, yuck result. I can really see the belt dancing around in the motor pulley.😳 It's THAT bad! W&F was horribly dancing around 0.15-0.2% too. Later replaced with higher quality belt with very consistent thickness/texture. The W&F immediately dropped down to under 0.1% - sometimes close to 0.05%.
    So good quality drive belt definitely plays a big role here. Especially for later decks that came with tweeny-tiny flywheel (or even plastic flywheel, in my case) which have literally no weight in it. Unless the belt (maybe the drive motor also) is in really good condition W&F would be off the roof then. The older decks with massive flywheel would be more tolerable in this regard.

  • @cassettedecksresurrection7204
    @cassettedecksresurrection7204 3 роки тому +1

    Ιve found also like you that Tanashin transport is effected very easily by changing belts.
    I've had an Aiwa AD WX 515 which uses tanashin transport and when i tried some different belts i had different results in wow and flutter.

  • @breakcoregirlxd
    @breakcoregirlxd 3 роки тому +5

    I wonder how effective the stop smoking tape is

    • @KGB240
      @KGB240 3 роки тому +3

      Depends on how badly you want to quit in the first place

    • @plan7a
      @plan7a 3 роки тому +1

      I'd think a head cleaning tape would be required after playing it? The smell of burning plastic and tape might also be a bit more effective than you'd at first think. Oh, wait I think I may have misread your comment? (Just kidding!).

  • @snugglebunnyhaven7258
    @snugglebunnyhaven7258 9 місяців тому +1

    Iv'e often wondered if decks with flat belts have a better wow & flutter then the ones with square belts? I experimented some with ones with the square belts, in fact changing one with new belt and speed was way off. It played slower. Belt wasn't too tight either. But the thickness was a bit different. Ended up putting original belt back.

  • @Muzer0
    @Muzer0 3 роки тому +3

    Really interested in that Incorrect Music programme! Wonder if it has the infamous Laughing Elvis track (Are You Lonesome Tonight) - that was a favourite of the late great Sir Terry Wogan when he presented BBC Radio 2's "Wake Up to Wogan" over here. Always cheered me up.

    • @vwestlife
      @vwestlife  3 роки тому +2

      Yes, they played it.

  • @wgrantha4438
    @wgrantha4438 3 роки тому +3

    Great vid!

  • @KGB240
    @KGB240 3 роки тому +9

    Hell yeah, those P-touches are so cheap to run when you get the knockoff tape cartridges from ebay.

  • @srijitofficial
    @srijitofficial Рік тому +3

    Please make the motor replacement video ☺️

  • @albertlagerman
    @albertlagerman 3 роки тому

    I didn't know about this, but it really makes sense. I bought a used Sony CFD-20, and the original belts were toast. I found some replacement belts on ebay, but they were awful. They looked like o rings that were repurposed to be sold as belts. They weren't square, they had a round profile. And the sound is awful, especially when recording. The extra friction from the recording head is enough to make the belt slip a little bit, so it records too slow, and the flutter is pretty bad too.

  • @JamesE707
    @JamesE707 2 роки тому +2

    Further to my other comment I made, it is quite feasible that the belt is ...
    (1) too tight - enough to increase effective friction? I reduced W/F on the old Sony TC-134SD from 0.2% wrms to 0.1% wrms (and under!) by fitting a slightly 'slack' belt. Bingo!
    (2) the thickness of the belt varies! Perhaps even a 1% rise and fall in thickness (can't see it) as it spins around *changes* the gearing ratio, albeit by a small margin, but enough to disturb, and show as excessive wow/flutter!?
    I have an issue with my old Sony TC-161SD which uses a square belt. Oh boy!, does this have problems! W/F?, well it depends on the belt: 0.12% .. 0.2% wrms, or a 'worse' belt 0.2%..0.3% wrms! I jest not! Later models of the better TC-161SD employed a main *flat belt*, the very same transport system as used by Sony's flagship model: TC-177SD.

  • @briangoldberg4439
    @briangoldberg4439 3 роки тому +2

    I have *definitely* had square belts that didn't straighten themselves out when tangled. I wouldn't assume that they will do so.

  • @DoodiePunk
    @DoodiePunk 2 роки тому

    The last cassette player I bought in 2005 was a Philips with a CD player and a digital dial MW/FM radio. While the sound quality of the recording was fine, it had a severe flutter that I've never experienced in very bad decks I've used before.

  • @WPPCProductions
    @WPPCProductions 3 роки тому +2

    Yes.A belt job is the fix for W/F issues..I service audio products most of my life.Still doing it today as a hobby only..
    BTW If you can supply us where you can get belts ...If you dont mind please...
    I usually use those type demo /presentation tapes as test tapes before I put a good tape in player..
    Why ruin a good tape as it gets eaten by a faulty player..

  • @tiikerihai
    @tiikerihai 3 роки тому +2

    Can't wait to see what difference the motors make. Would replacing the flywheel with a heavier one be a viable idea too?

  • @TheBasementChannel
    @TheBasementChannel 3 роки тому +2

    I wonder if beefing up the motor mounting bracket would make a difference. Slight twisting in the bracket could cause variation in speed.

  • @tvelektron
    @tvelektron 3 роки тому +2

    Hmm, would be interesting if the flywheel could be upgraded in any way to make them more heavy, maybe some big washers or nuts and a 3D printer part for centering... Chris

  • @steveleombruno1809
    @steveleombruno1809 3 роки тому +5

    Isn’t there a break in period for belts??

  • @StevenSmyth
    @StevenSmyth 3 роки тому +8

    I hope you show how to fix cassette decks that are clicking but no damaged or perished belts. There’s no guidance on this anywhere.

    • @vwestlife
      @vwestlife  3 роки тому +11

      That's probably due to a chipped gear or a spring that is causing a gear not to engage fully.

    • @StevenSmyth
      @StevenSmyth 3 роки тому

      @@vwestlife Thanks, I think it’d still be useful to see a demo, even if it’s irreparable.

    • @Atticore
      @Atticore 3 роки тому +2

      @@StevenSmyth There's a great techmoan video about choosing out a walkman if you're just getting into the hobby, and part of the video talks about what it sounds like you're describing. Basically, if it's a "DD" or "direct drive" model of walkman, a plastic cog is snapped. Here's a timestamped link to that video that might help: ua-cam.com/video/A9wT2Y4W-T0/v-deo.html

    • @StevenSmyth
      @StevenSmyth 3 роки тому

      @@Atticore I’ve seen that one and it is great, but I’m working with all in one stereos with dual cassette decks, receiver and recorded player. Id like the cassette section to work.

    • @SianaGearz
      @SianaGearz 3 роки тому +1

      @@StevenSmyth Damaged gears aren't irrepairable. While i wouldn't advise trying to glue back together a damaged gear, you can easily make a 1 sided mould with 2k kneading silicone and cast a copy of the gear from epoxy. If you're missing a tooth, you can make a partial mould of a short run of teeth and use it to recreate a tooth, and it doesn't really matter from what, ca glue and baking soda can be a very quick way, then copy the whole gear again.

  • @TheMagicStar80
    @TheMagicStar80 3 роки тому +1

    Yeah proper belts make all the difference in any cassette deck. Proper storage is the key to maintain a cassette deck for decades in top notch as both temperature and humidity effect the wow and flutter.

  • @RemiDupont
    @RemiDupont 3 роки тому +1

    Hmm, nice to know, I need to change my Technics RS-D series belt too, it's been sitting in my aunt's basement for decades.

  • @Liofa73
    @Liofa73 3 роки тому +4

    How about adjusting the position of the motor? Looks like you can shift it up and down.

    • @musicstevecom
      @musicstevecom Рік тому +2

      Good Idea, I think that would work, since the new belts are to tight and old ones to looses , would have to have to make slots for the 3 motor bolt holes and could even better add a fine adjusting bolt to move it in/out later if it works , I have a extra one I could try it on w the Pioneer ct-f900 has a lot of room to do it. I wish I had a mill (machine shop)😁

  • @jdmccorful
    @jdmccorful 3 роки тому +2

    I wonder? "Rubber", luck of the draw. Thanks for the look.

  • @izwanshaari9854
    @izwanshaari9854 3 роки тому +3

    I won't bother changing the motors on deck like this. They're good enough imo. The belt changing experiment you did I think was more than good enough. I definitely can't hear noticeable w&f on both mechs. You can keep the new motors as spares though just in case the original fails.

  • @garthhowe297
    @garthhowe297 3 роки тому +7

    First off, I am surprised how easy it is to change the belts...bravo Teac. I'm disappointed how sensitive it is to the belts..poor motor torque, and/or not enough inertia???

    • @rdhchannel9548
      @rdhchannel9548 3 роки тому +5

      I think that flywheel is just too light for a flywheel)

    • @CaptainDangeax
      @CaptainDangeax 3 роки тому +2

      This new cassette deck features not one but 2 low end mechanism, I thing they're the same than in chinese portable players, with a small engine and a flywheel made out of a cut steel sheet, that's nowhere near the older cassettes providing flywheels made out with a lathe. I do really prefer to rely on an older model, even if I have to fix it (belts and capacitors)

    • @vwestlife
      @vwestlife  3 роки тому +6

      These mechanisms are made by CSG and do not share any parts with those used in portable cassette players.

  • @gregsmith9183
    @gregsmith9183 3 роки тому

    Nice. Gives me incentive to finally get around to fixing my Marantz SD-53 cassette dec from around 1993. I'd just put it away into storage a very long time ago after it started playing tapes that just didn't sound right abd very distorted. I assumed at the time it was the belts that needed replacement. Just never got around to working out if that was the problem and what size I needed to order.

  • @Hotpack7279
    @Hotpack7279 3 роки тому +2

    eBay is calling 400€ and up for that Belt driven Deck ?! Are they Crazy ? - For that amount of Money i get 2 Sony ES Series "Quartz Locked Direct Drive" Tape Decks or even 2 other highly sophisticated DD Tape Decks (Yamaha/ Technics) with way better haptics to it. That Teac even looks cheap to the Touch. The Prices for "New" Tapedecks these Days are Nasty.

  • @Super8Rescue
    @Super8Rescue 3 роки тому +3

    Nice to see you still using tape.

  • @AshenTiger
    @AshenTiger 3 роки тому +15

    What's your recommendation for estimating a belt size, when the original belt has become goop?

    • @foxyloon
      @foxyloon 3 роки тому +19

      I've tried tying a piece of thread around the pulleys to get a fairly accurate measurement. There's also the fallback solution of buying a variety pack of belts and using some trial and error.

    • @AshenTiger
      @AshenTiger 3 роки тому +3

      @@foxyloon cheers fluffbutt

    • @paulb4uk
      @paulb4uk 3 роки тому +1

      What ever you do do not buy the cheap packs of chinese belts they are terrible .

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 3 роки тому +4

      @@paulb4uk Might be a good way to get a sampler size that you can measure, though!

    • @nycdogs
      @nycdogs 3 роки тому +2

      There's a chart for vintage decks: russellind.com/client/download/PRB_Belt_XRef.pdf

  • @UrbanoDagrippino
    @UrbanoDagrippino Місяць тому

    Belts problems always had fixed when get devices from flea shops

  • @idahofur
    @idahofur 3 роки тому

    Yea I just got done. Well int he process of cleaning up a teac a-6300 reel to reel. It is a little beat up. But I got the 2 new belts for it. The old one was horrible. I'm surprised it had enough to keep the machine playing.

  • @echodelta9
    @echodelta9 3 роки тому

    I had a friends car deck get the worst case of flutter in just a few months. He played crap tapes and cleaned the capstan and pinch roller with alcohol. In many sources that liquid is mentioned for cleaning such, including on tape boxes. DON'T USE ALCOHOL!!! It destabilized the rubber and turned it into a sticky grabby tire. I replaced it and warned him to use naphtha (lighter fluid) If he cleaned it again. The same goes for belts, I usually just clean them with a damp rag. I've had times where I played a live tape of mine on a friends deck and heard that dreadful sound of that cyclic muffling and clearing when the tape is about to get mangled. I hit stop quickly! Popped the tape out grabbed my t-shirt at the bottom and with play on rubbed the capstan and tire as it turned on a hope we could listen to one of my binaural live tapings. I put the tape in hit play and hovered over the stop button but everything worked smoothly.

  • @AMDXplusplus
    @AMDXplusplus 3 роки тому +3

    Which 'P-touch' label printer you use, so you can do a video on it?

  • @needfortweed8734
    @needfortweed8734 3 роки тому +1

    Interesting that he got no copyright claims on the music as far as I can see...

  • @vfletes1
    @vfletes1 2 роки тому

    My Onkyo deck started to play very slow on one side and ate a tape on the side.. I just discarded along with all the tapes the unit i don't have the time to have it fixed every time...

  • @johnlomasney7632
    @johnlomasney7632 2 роки тому

    love tape

  • @napomania
    @napomania 3 роки тому +1

    i'd like to change belts in my technics double deck,, but it's a strange type of loading ( l have to put the cassette like a cd) i tryed to unmount but i don't know where belts are

  • @SianaGearz
    @SianaGearz 2 місяці тому

    Did the motor upgrade video test ever come? I can't find it.

  • @JnL_SSBM
    @JnL_SSBM 3 роки тому +1

    *"Queenie Montgomery's Lonesome, Lonesome George Jones"* appears to be released in 2017 on the whole internet, while this tape was recorded in March 25, 1998, so the date of the recording song or release are unknown??

    • @vwestlife
      @vwestlife  3 роки тому +3

      The original recording of the song is from the 1980s.

    • @JnL_SSBM
      @JnL_SSBM 3 роки тому

      @@vwestlife Thanks so much!

  • @danelectr
    @danelectr 8 місяців тому

    Wherw can i find the follow up video where you replaced the motors?

  • @libertyjusticeforall6754
    @libertyjusticeforall6754 Рік тому

    Awesome work! Where can I get those same kind of belts?

  • @DJOmarMeneses
    @DJOmarMeneses Рік тому

    hi friend, thanks for sharing tips for cassette decks, I have a nakamichi mr1 with belt problems, do you know who can repair this vintage cassette decks?
    regards

  • @paticusmaximus12
    @paticusmaximus12 3 роки тому +8

    So using a piece of string where you hear the knot go CLUNK each time it goes around is NOT suggested?
    Hahaha

    • @1marcelfilms
      @1marcelfilms 3 роки тому +5

      use a rubber band for maximum wows and flutss

    • @frankowalker4662
      @frankowalker4662 3 роки тому +1

      @@1marcelfilms I tried that once. What a laugh.

    • @1marcelfilms
      @1marcelfilms 3 роки тому +1

      @@frankowalker4662 i find it that at least a little wow and flutter improves the cassette experience. if i wanted perfect music i would download FLAC

  • @EddieJazzFan
    @EddieJazzFan 3 роки тому +1

    Is that Jack Jones at 6:37 ? Also, I was thinking, just imagine how great that deck would be with some 70s style heavy metal flywheels...

    • @vwestlife
      @vwestlife  3 роки тому

      It's Vic Damone: ua-cam.com/video/HCGtlp2NDR4/v-deo.html

  • @caseyrevoir
    @caseyrevoir 3 роки тому +1

    Wonder of you could use Quad Rings for belts (aka: X-ring, a square o ring replacement).
    You could get an Aviation spec Quad Ring, even just a standard spec Quad ring probably is more consistent in manufacturing.

    • @caseyrevoir
      @caseyrevoir Рік тому

      McMaster-Carr O-ring Cord: (ASTM D2000 spec)
      2mm Buna-N Square / # 1216N2 / $0.37ft / Durometer 70A
      2mm Buna-N X-Ring / # 1191N14 / $0.48 ft / Durometer 75A
      2mm Viton Square / # 1175N14 / $2.13 ft / Durometer 75A
      2mm Viton X-Ring / # 1191N14 / $5.03 ft / Durometer 75A
      1/16” Silicone Square / # 1177N11 / $0.30 ft / Durometer 70A
      (wrote this out for another comment, thought Id add it here)