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Lego 9v Trains are the Best
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- Опубліковано 13 лют 2024
- I discovered a new feature to Lego 9v trains, and it's amazing!
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It’s cool that the original train motors were the same as real model trains!
What do you mean? Isn't LEGO® also real?
@@lucahermann3040 He or she ment that they work the same (with the power on the rails) as "normal" miniature trains, like H2 scale trains
@@lucahermann3040 no, swedish plastic is not a real train. He means the older style is actually accurate to a train
"original". Bloody kids.
@@mowerboy330 but really small Danish people ride in them, sounds like a real train to me :(
Honestly, as someone who likes to build steam locomotives I like how Power Functions allows you to get more specialised motors for higher speed or more pulling power and direct control to the driving wheels of one instead of using a 9v motor somewhere else in the train.
True. but hear me out what id lego went back to the powered track. and had both powered bogies like the original 9 volt system and Pick up bogies that could be used for using other motors. further more they could make them all worked via the current Bluetooth or other connections they use now but no more batteries also this would be using same system as modern train sets.
Single axle pickup bogies would basically eliminate the need for the giant battery storage which takes up a lot of internal space, and would also allow for very compact PF motor-driven engines. There should also be a version built around the larger driver wheels so you can build an 0-6-0 configuration as an example.
Single axle pickup bogies would basically eliminate the need for the giant battery storage which takes up a lot of internal space, and would also allow for very compact PF motor-driven engines. There should also be a version built around the larger driver wheels so you can build an 0-6-0 configuration as an example.
A modern 9 volt I would would be even better. Imagine power rails with an RF signal running in it to control multiple motors. Kinda like the modern digital slot cars
Something I used to do as a kid is use a 9V motor with battery power, and set up lights along certain sections of the track, so every time the train passes by, the power coming from the wheels turns the lights on. Imagine using this for a working level crossing!
That's genius
You can also use it to power another train, so that the other train starts going when the first one arrives at the station.
Or you could use 12v automotive relays
@@jhsevs Goes to show that the possibilities are truely endless
@@TheEmeraldX they are! I learned so much about relay logic back when I was 16 in automation/electrician vocational school. One day I’m going to set up my vintage Märklin model railway and order like 50 relays from china and just go to town
Imagine adding a circuit that measures the resistance for a working semaphore like the real circuit
Lego should bring back the 9v motors
Yeah, it would be much better than the noisy motors that Lego uses for their newer train models.
The tldr is a toy that uses wall power without a bunch of safety stuff needs an age restriction, 14+ if i remember right. . Was talking to to a lego rep about it
Backwards Compatibility!!! That makes me happy in a way I never thought possible
That moment when you remember when lego tried to make model trains
Wall power. Faster, stronger, no running out of batteries...
9V was the best era for the Lego trains
There are drawbacks though, you can only really run one train on a track, as all the trains on connected tracks are getting power all the same, and you can't build turning loops, as those create short circuits.
Welcome friend. You're going into the slow descent of "model railroading"
It depends what is better, if you running trains outside, batteries are much better option. I also loves 9v and honestly it’s Amazing. I’ve seen one problem when running 9v motor from battery pack but also in that moment running other battery powered train with 9v motor on metal track. Power also goes to track and you can explode batteries when opposite polarity goes to track
I think it can charge things while it moves so you should see howany it takes to charge a robot .jk,you don't have to do it
I'm not sure if there's a Lego piece that can charge from the 9v port. It'd probably work if there was though.
@@brickstudiosYT ok, then make a video of it
@brickstudiosYT Maybe use batteries to allow you to swap rail types on the same track? Unsure what purpose it would serve, but, y'know. Weird is fun.
I used that to power a second modern motor so I could pull a longer train
I literally had an idea like that
But no money to buy lego😢
These old motors and mainly the connectors, were a part of the "lego dacta" set. Lego dacta was one of the first lego robotics project commimg before the nxt, ev3, spike and some battery powered thing whitch i forgot the name of... Anyway lego dacta worked like this. You had an old computer with a serial port. Like crt was the main display type old. then, you'd use a panel of sorts that had 5 blue sensor inputs (how many rotations and stuff like that), 5 yellow inputs (different sensors like button or tempreature) and i think 5x2 motor outputs. There were a few types of motors of whitch i remember 2, 1 was all speed and the second one was slower and you could actually tell it "rotate 2 times" and it did it exactly (basicaly motor and servo). And lastly it had 1 always in connector and a stop button. Anyway, this was years ago at a a club( Please exuse my english, it's not my first language and i don't know if this is the right expression) we were building an actual claw machine and it had so many inputs, sensors and motors, we needed 2 PC's, 3 dacta panels(one only for power as it drew too much from the other 2) so it would have enough sensor slots. If it worked, i will never know for reasons i won't go into. but your video sent me on a trip down the memory lane.
I remember something like that. Like a Lego robotics kict. I certainly never built something as complex as you describe, but a robot that bumped off of walls and followed lines was easy with it.
@@peytonmac1131I think you’re talking about nxt 1.0. That’s when Lego introduced color sensing
As long as the circuitry is simple and doesn't have power feed back prevention in place, all electronics work this way. That's why there's a positive, negative, open circuit and closed circuits. The power literally circulates in a circle continuously, meaning you can connect power or other power consuming devices basicly anywhere within a circuit especially where there's already terminals.
I am old, I remember the first versions with the central power rail in the middle of the track.
That works because probably the connection between the motor and the light bulb are just straight wires with no electronics or diodes - so they don't care if they carry electricity from the motor to a light or from a battery back to the motor.
I liked to old 12v engines from Lego... Good old times
a new 9V motor is in development by FX BRICKS, electric tracks are available, but not in the original Lego
radius. You can also add copper foil to plastic tracks. Seen someone do that
I really hope they bring their motor to market eventually. This will start the renaissance of the 9V system
That means you can give specific track spots power when crossing them, u can activate lights off track as you drive by😮
Now try putting a second track-powered motor on the powered track to see if the battery-powered motor will also power it through the track.
Bro putting his finger there with max power was insane
It would be nice if the motor could be controlled by remote. That way the rails could be constantly powered and you could run multiple trains on one circuit. Basically DCC for Lego.
I thought it was common knowledge that you could us it as an input for the battery. But yeah, it is the best, especially for show builds. Because then you can have your trains running throughout the show.
Fun fact: if the 9 V motor being powered by a battery hits 9 V track, with another 9 V motor powered train on that track, power will be fed through the wheels of the battery powered motor, through the tracks, and into the other train motor. This causes sudden full power to that second train, possibly resulting in a crash when you least expect!
It's very dependant on what you're making. Battery is best for larger trains on longer tracks, but wall power is better for small stuff
I like both versions. One would be used for a more permanent setup, the other for a rail yard of sorts
Before that they used to use pickups the old track system was awesome, they had electronic turning points you could control from a panel and you could colour coordinate it
If you want to slow it down,you can wire up a potentiometer,they can slow it down and are ajustable
The wall power I think is better for displays where it has to be running for an entire day. You never have to worry about swapping out batteries or anything. Just plug it in, set the speed, and forget about it
You know whats better? Make a battery powered train with the 9v motor and put it on a 9v metal track with another 9v motor. Both motors will run at the same time, even though the battery is in only one train!
I didn’t even know Lego was electric now. I remember the old tiny battery motors like the AT-AT but this is a different level of cool
I had that same Lego Train back in the day
As a model railway guy, I prefer the new Powered Up system for Lego over the 9v. This is because you can have more than one train on the same track at once (simmilarly to a DCC system for models), which allows for some great fun. If there was a way to have two 9v trains run independently on one track, I would 100% prefer the 9v for how compact it is.
if those rails and motors where still largely available i would love to modify them so that the plug would power a pf receiver to control the motor and still be powered by the rails , that way you could run multiple trains in the same track and eliminate batteries
Model railroaders: First time?
The most important thing is, you had a transformer to start really slow in both directions and analog control over the speed!
9v is cool, and I have some old stuff. But the modern motors are so much more capable in terms of control. Have endless counts of trains on a single track, without having to worry about short circuiting layouts etc etc.
With a 9v Wallplug, a connector, and some soldering you can built your own wallpower 9v System
Yep, compatible with the old Mindstorms RCX robotics stuff too, either onboard the train using the connection on the train motor, or through the track using the track cable plugged in the other end to the RCX. Speaking of things being two way, dunno about anything newer, but the motors that came with the Mindstorms kits could also function as generators, and everyone who knew this tried to make a perpetual motion machine with two motors connected to each other with wires and gears. Thinking about it, I’m sure you could make a hand crank using a motor like that, that powers a train motor.
Nice you can make a hybrid with this. Cool
What if you combined it? Like having certain metal rails and plastic ones, so that while it's in metal it recharges the battery and it can run normally while on the plastic ones.
Side note: I know it would be far better to just stick with one, but I would love to combine tracks, I would assume that the metal ones are more expensive.
Yep. Since there’s no reason to put backdrive prevention diodes in between the train’s wheels, motor, or terminals to feed the light, the motor doesn’t care where the battery is connected to the wiring.
Battery power is better than wall power anyway. More control and less stuttering. Plus your setup will be much, much cheaper.
ok, this system is cool I didnt even know it till now
Love to see some logic where the train switches to non powered tracks and uses the battery to power it until its back on powered rails (auto from track power to battery power)
Im pretty sure that was in a 'inspiration catalogue' in the early 90s to transit the 12v to the 9v system, so you could power the 12v (and even the 4,5 volt) trains by the old powered carriages like the 1134 and 5005 (cant remember the 9v one, with the little 2x1 brick as powerbutton).
Think of it like bus bars. (Electrical ones) power can be put in or taken out from anywhere becase theres is nothing blocking the current and the motor is parralell to the connector
I would really like to see them collaborate with bachmann or some other model railroading company to remake the 9 volt stuff
Fun fact. You can play music on that. If it’s good for the motors I’ll let in the middle
You can use that power connector to power a Lego motor. Once I made a carnival ride on a train
I had a friend who had the old style of Lego trains. I was bummed to learn the new models are all battery powered.
I still have a HUGE tote full of those older wall power train tracks. I cant wait to move back to the states, to get that bad boy back.
that mean you can do BOTH !!!!
you can have a loow with wall powet station to charge your train while the rest is plastic.
depending on witch is cheaper to get that would be intresting and if you have some train sets you can still use the plastic parts
I had one of them 20 years ago. I loved it.. that and wheels. I had 5 of the big totes with wheels of legos and always fought my cousins over wheels
The sets with this style motor block also came with a battery pack that could be used as the tender car of the train, right behind the engine .
I used to love these tracks because I would steal my moms sewing machine pedal to throttle the train
As a building system, i much prefer the power functions system. 9V is easier but just feels like lego on a model train. Not to mention with power functions you can control more than one train at once which you can't do with the a single 9V current. power functions also avoids shorting out your track when you want to make a reverse loop and allows you to power different types of wheels than just these standard small ones. Notice how much nicer PF steam locomotives look than 9v. Also on a personal level i hate how shiny the 9v wheels look on a train compared to the rest of them it looks so out of place. BUT to each their own i can't deny 9v is classic
As a model railroader, I would do anything to not have live sections of track on my layout
I remember them havin the big ass controls and fuckn loved them.
Bro discovered how power distribution works
I have a REAL old big diesel train with that motor with the same tracks
This is the motor i had as a kid.
Oh my god does this mean that it can be battery powered and rail powered? Now I definitely need that book that teaches me how to make the EMD FL9!
I think you could make a decent bullet train with that
That would be awesome
Lego did it again ... Multiple applications ... even for power input 🎉
Personally with 9 volt i use it to make trolleys. I modded a 9v connector to mate with a normal transformer so i can have more speed control and a little extra juice for multiple car ops. A few friends rebuilt their 9vs with new motors that allow them to run much slower and have fly wheels. Some even got DCC fitted into them. With sound! This is all along side the rise of using O scale Kadee Couplers with the BMR adapter keeping lego's tie to the model RR hobby
Have you considered adding some super capacitors to the train thing so it can go over a bit of plastic rails and then charge during the powered ones?
Might not be that practical but would still be pretty cool
Realistic lego trains just became more complicated
I’ve still got the one I had when I was a kid. It’s the blue and white one you showed first.
its like actual model trains, but lego
I mean, with the 9v trains you can either use them as Suburban Trains using the Tracks as Energy Source, where you can mark them with a 3rd Rail bar either in the middle or on the Side of the Rail - or you can put these Battery Boxes into a Loco, where it can Act as a Diesel Locomotive. Well, that would probably work for Power functions bogeys as well, but idk you should decide. Btw, is there a way to use both options? Like it uses the 9v from electrified tracks, and when it drives on plastic Tracks, that it switches to Battery Pack? That would make this train a Hybrid... 😮
Yeah, technically you could make it a hybrid but a battery box would power the 9v tracks that are already powering the motor, and vice versa. This might make it short circuit or something. So if you just detached and reattached it to the battery box every time then it'd work.
@@brickstudiosYT I don’t think it would be too much of an issue to have the battery feed the tracks, and you can always stop the tracks from feeding into the battery using a diode. You could also fix the battery powering the tracks issue with another diode, but you’ll have to take the wheel assembly apart to solder the diode in
Inherited a lego city moc from my grandfather after he passed. It has these tracks, needs multiple switches and wall adapters because they lose power over distance. Definitely prefer these to the battery ones 🤔
With wall power it’s basically a train set but you build the trains from scratch
I remember having a device that worked with a similar kind of motor. I need to find if I still have it.
Lego Mindstorms had those types of connectors. I could power the motors with the computer brick and I found out if I spun the motor fast enough, I could power the computer brick through those same connectors with no batteries installed. Of course trying to run a program was too much for it, but it tuned on.
So you could in theory have a powered part of the track and an unpowered section. The metal tracks would charge the batteries
This and the 12v, are the best systems
I never had a Lego Train until 2024 (still in the box though), but I did have a Futron Monorail back when I was a kid in the 80s!
I would love wall power, that way i can just run it constantly instead of replacing the batteries every other month
9v system was just better for simple things as a whole, and powerfunctions compatability was great
then they said no
idealy they would still produce both 9v and PF today but the lego electronics department is the lego electronics department
This honestly makes sense its all just an open circuit just kinda wonder how cool that would have been to discover as a child 😂
I used to connect my Mindstorm to the train car.😂
You could also put a controller with it and it would be pretty sick. That thing would be insanely fast
That would be awesome!
I had the 9v train motors as a kid and I have no idea why you would want them over battery. They were fiddly, all you needed was one piece of track slightly disconnecting and you'd have to search the problem for a couple minutes, you couldn't ever build a track that would turn trains around because that would create a short-circuit, running multiple trains would mean they had to divide the power between them ... Battery is SO MUCH better.
Omg, I had that train as a kid! I had so much fun with it
Lego should embrace DCC
The design has varied only slightly from the original 12v powered rail kit. I still have my old LEGO 12v train transformer.
Me: Moving LEGO trains using my WILL power
POV: 90s childhood
I still have the wind up motor and the technics one from the 80s
You can actually power a battery motor with it while in use
You could in theory make an hybrid Lego train! 😁
I love the wall power.
Had these nice banana plugs, so one day, when my parents didn't give me the transformer, I figured they perfectly fit into the wall power outlet.
Spent the night in hospital 😅
That makes sense, but I never thought to do that!
These overgrown kids would literally buy anything for a slice of nostalgia!
The same functions had the first blue train motor block in 70/80.
It's backfeeding your house does the same thing you can backfeed a generator into any outlet in your house just make sure you're not connected to the grid otherwise you're powering the whole neighborhood
Yeah I love 9volt it’s only $500 definitely worse than the detailed $130 power function trains that do the same thing
I use it as "autopilot" so it runs whenever I'm not controlling it