Yeah, the whole meta thing is a joke. People kicking other players that aren't meta is dumb. People just need to play and have fun. Everyone soo sweaty and try hard. Just play the game and have fun lol. People getting mad over meta is hilarious.
I haven't played in a few days so dont bite my head off for this but I've heard from players who are pretty efficient at the game that the real problem for them comes with the increase to enemies numbers and speed and aggressiveness on higher difficulties compounds the nerfs effects.
@@K-ro7lm Those players miss the point. You don’t get XP for killing because they don’t want there to be an incentive to kill everything. Any fighting that is not over the objective is basically a light show. In the previous game I would go low in higher difficulties and try to avoid kicking the nest till I had to.
Yeah and as you're spawning after being killed you immediately get destroyed by an explosion or things that are able to attack you as you're coming out of the pod
While the devs have said there are some bugs with the spawn rates in certain spots, most of the problems you're talking about are actual issues you and the squad are bringing on yourself. The aggro system takes into account how many strats you're calling down in an area and in how short a time. When you first drop you trigger the first instance of 'noise'. If you end up calling down a bunch of support stuff immediately then you raise that 'noise' to the point where patrols come looking and may trigger patrol spawns nearby if there aren't enough to keep up with the level of 'noise' the squad created. People are out there beating Helldiver solo with smoke grenades, anti-material rifle, and other various combinations JUST because they understand the aggro.
There's already talk about it being changed to not spawn as much as it's already doing. One thing I didn't like, was the automaton summoning, you stop it, but another just starts instead. I would love that to disappear. Make 1 dude 50/50 roll if it'll summon, and make all others unable, is my own choice if I could decide.
@@karsonkammerzell6955 thanks for the tips. I still think people shouldn't be punished for calling in support gear in the first 30 secs of landing, esp in a "safe" landing zone
1 thing to note with Helldivers: There was also several undocumented buffs that were NOT in the patch notes. Some backlash could of been avoided if communication was better.
The fact that the Diablo IV Gauntlet / Leaderboard does NOT show the players' gear and build. As such you have no idea of knowing if someone is using multiple Ubers or what build they are using. Utterly baffling for all the delays and NOT be any good.
The Devs Cooked, and the players can’t handle the spice of a beautiful dish. I barely even noticed the need because I like using different loadaouts and (yall won’t believe this) HAVING FUCKING FUN
I agree but the video wasn’t about that. The Devs were out of line and got corrected by the CEO for their quote “unacceptable behaviour”. Some of the community was out of line too but it’s not their business model. We need positivity right now because it is a good game. Claiming it’s the player’s fault they don’t like something that was changed is what kicked this all off in the first place.
Sorry... even though I agree with some of the dev comments and changes, Evil Boss came off as an absolute asshole. Truly a smoothbrain choice to insult your own playerbase in any circumstance.
@@NickHunter Imagine buying a car and the power steering doesnt work. You call to complain and they tell you, "Git good at steering. Skill issue, nerd. Real drivers can steer without it." Id be fired for saying that to a customer.
@@Mr_Giraffe989 Yeah because you'd be putting the drivers life in LITERAL danger. wtf you smoking my guy? If you made this comparison with idk Power windows or cruise control sure, not an essential system needed to drive the friggen vehicle. Get a grip lmao
@@Mr_Giraffe989 the gun works, if they'd patched the game and all of a sudden the game crashes when you equip it or something I could see an equivalence here. But no, sorry, git fuckin gud :D
@@dusttodust915have you played any Diablo games? There are no set items/sets in Diablo4……. If I could sue the dog shit out of blizzard I would. Class action wouldn’t be half bad either because this is just dog shit.
@@TheSakufighter You would sue them... because there are (currently) no sets in the game? I think i just lost a couple of IQ points reading that comment... And yes, i have played Diablo since the original Diablo, at a time, where the internet wasnt even really a thing yet.
@@dusttodust915I played Immortal for some time, but mostly because i was intrested in the story. Though i think the pvp did have potential (it was like a moba), if the whole game wouldnt be just a pay to win fiesta.
Most likely what happened with the emulator is that the lawyers came in and took a look at what would have been seen by Nintendo during the discovery process of the trial and decided that what was there was enough for potential criminal charges so they settled immediately. That’s typically why settlements like this happen.
D4 Leaderboard should have been on launch, or even in Beta. D4 claimed that it was delayed so much because they were tying it to content, and they played it up in a huge way, but now that it's out it's not much at all, it is one little part of the trials, which we'll likely get more of over the next 5-7 years. It's the swiss cheese business model no gamer has ever liked.
Too bad the leaderboards are compromised as players could snapshot shrines before entering the gauntlet, giving them a huge advantage. Took this long and still didn't get it right.
I think the gauntlet should've been a drg survivor type game mode. People seem to enjoy that game and tying a leaderboard to that would've been successful
The best thing for me about Helldiver updates was how we got the Mech suits. Not just a random patch and suddenly boom: suits. No, we had to fight for it and earn it. I wonder what would happen if Tien Kwan would fall under Automatons again. Would we lose the stratagems? Would the bots gain better heavy armor units? This makes thinking about updates in the future a lot more fun than in other games!
Wouldn't that just make new players and people who have less time to play, have their progression halted for no reason? Like seriously sounds harmful instead of "cool". What would be actually cool though, is allow players to relive such moments, without any intrinsic progression reward, but a one-time bonus progression boost. You may play over and over, but the reward boost is only once.@@imgnku
@@leoleo1035 These moments are meant to exist constantly in the game. For all we know, we could have stuff temporarily removed from our arsenals as the galactic war rages on... There are also many more tools incoming; like multiple variants of the exosuits as well as other vehicles (APC, Scout Car, Bike etc). To be fair, these players didn't miss out on much besides spamming some mission types while the menu told you that you won. I think there will be more community moments from things like the skirmishes for Malevalon Creek than the unlock of tools personally.
D4’s issue is that the rewards are always the same. Why put forth so much effort just to get more legendary aspects when there are much easier ways to get them? Even the season journey rewards are lackluster. Banner icons in D4 have no flare and aren’t really worth chasing. D3’s portraits are miles better.
My issue with Diablo is that it's a static view were I can't even see the details on my own cosmetics without pausing and viewing the character screen. Cosmetics can be awesome in MMOs and RPGs and even some battle royales where players can see characters up close. In this locked in wide panned back view, it's a waste of money.
It's just pathetic when someone gets triggered and starts pretending they are just rage baiting and trolling when they are really just lashing out like a child themselves. A single dev just made his community team and his coworkers jobs harder.
Your videos are always great to watch brother. And, not going to lie, I had a bit of a laugh during the first half, when you sounded like a Principle telling the teachers that they can't let themselves get bothered by their annoying students 😂
@@Retrosenescentthey did, however, did quite a nerf to the overused AoE weapon spam. You can still make it work, but for the average public matchmaking mission it was essentially killed. and people still area clear everything before you can even see it. overall such nerfs are good riddance.
Warframe doesnt have the same problem. There has never been only 1 effective tool for dealing with difficult content in Warframe, a limited pool of weapons sure, but never only 1. Especially true now, as there is dozens of weapons that are good in even the most difficult content and most Warframes are more than viable.
@@KesslerCOILWarframe's problem is more that the devs use god awful justification for their nerfs. When they did the AoE weapon sweep for instance, which I wasn't really against in the grand scheme of things, they used explanations that could just as easily have been used to nerf ability spam, and they definitely should have given that it is much more egregious in far more areas of gameplay than weapons ever were. Who cares if you can kill all enemies in one shot in a 15 yard or whatever radius when you can do it through walls to all enemies in a 70 yard radius without the need for any aiming and never running out of energy once you have arcane energize. The devs seem to have this idea of the game that they came up with 500 years after the game's release and completely ignores what the game is and they will come up with any nonsense justification for trying to move in that direction.
It wasn't the shit talking that people couldn't take. Most people around is used to dealing with that random 14 year old who claimed he banged your mom. The problem was the unprofessional behavior of the devs. They should NEVER act like that in a professional setting.
Most of the people complaining haven't even used the full arsenal. They hop on reddit, read what the "meta" is, then rely on it while gaining no new knowledge or skills. Personally, I think there is a slight problem in higher difficulties but it's more to do with the enemy roster lacking something between the medium units and the harder ones... So the result is spam of both sides. Instead of spamming several chargers and bile titans, it would be nice if there were softer 'baby chargers' that spawned in small packs. Maybe killing them by shooting the wrong spot could be disastrous and spawn in a mommy charger to ruin your day (or the armoured ones from the target missions). At present, it can sometimes feel like a bit of a DPS race on two main enemies rather than a case of managing the horde with target priority... and this isn't even going into the Automaton's roster and ranged fire spam... So yea, balance isn't perfect, but I don't think the vocal mob are really looking at the right places when complaining.
For helldivers, the dev said they want you to use stratagems more but the cooldowns and limited uses for them verse the HUNDREDS of mobs is ridiculous. I have 3 biles, 4 chargers and a million mini stalkers jumping 4 football fields away on me I’m wrecked.
It's supposed to be a squad based game. If your team is sticking together and even kinda working together then you wont be getting overrun. Everything goes tits up when the group splits and tries to go solo rambo'ing across the map.
Rail gun going from being used all the time to never being used, is great design and balance. I rarely if not at all see people rock it anymore. That's PEAK game deving right there boys.
Skull Admiral here, I'm personally devastated by the nerfs and glad they went live. I used the railgun in safe mode, preferring the ability to charge my shot and wait for the right moment to release it. Now, being forced to use it in unsafe presents a risk/reward that promotes snap decision making. You have to time your shots much more carefully in order to maintain that effectiveness. But it also promotes different build setups in team gameplay, which I am absolutely loving.
Now I see why I just got a survey from Lost Epoch regarding possible nerfs to overpowered builds. I hadn't heard about the Helldivers nerfs and resulting player responses until I watched this video. The LE folks are definitely trying to get ahead of the curve on this topic...
These are tumultuous times for Diablo IV but I'm certain the devs will continue to improve the game and, after a couple of seasons, we'll have a lot of interesting things to do. Yes yes, I know some of you will say it should've been perfect from the beginning; that it should've released with more endgame content. However, do not forget that Blizzard have long term plans for Diablo IV. As they have stated multiple times, they want us to play it for at least 10 years. Sure, there are ways to keep players along for 10 years and then there are other ways. But still, as a fellow developer, let me tell you this - I might have the greatest ideas for activities, crafting, new skills etc. but, if management waves a finger at me and says - "No, we won't include any of these at this point, don't work overtime because it won't change anything. We have to stretch this content over X seasons..." - then it doesn't matter what I want and if I am feeling the same way as the community, I have to follow the orders. Because if I go full rebel, the unwavering defender of player interests, they will fire me and replace me with someone else who is way more eager to obey. And what happens then? You lose a developer who cared, who knew how to make the game better and was working hard on it, and you get another one who may not care at all and is there just for the salary or, god forbid, believes that microtransactions are the future of GaaS.
Diablo 4 I'm playing Last Epoch didn't play season 3 as I knew it wasn't going to be for me as I'm not into competition. Still waiting to see what they do for season 4 to decide on jumping back in. The Roguelike Dungeon sounds awesome, I hope they implement that.
Helldivers 2 patch also boosted other weapons, making the meta not so meta. This is what makes the game so much more fun because it requires Helldivers to work together.
The anger was from spawn rates. They silently doubled it, but acted like people were angry about the gun changes. They unfucked the game in two days with a recent hotfix, so the rage will quickly die down.
I was about to say the same. Never cared about the railgun barely used it but I go solo/duo on helldive difficulty oneday and its just non stop spawns with at one point having like 10 chargers and 4 titans at the same time and ofc the fucking horde of bugs it was super unplayable as duo sure you could run all day and occasionaly kill some but it just wouldnt stop cuz they kept fucking breaching it was just annoying at that point not fun. I was about to say all these cringe people commenting probably never in their life stepped foot into hell dive difficulty but talk mad shit
The spawn rate is being looked at and tweaked in a future patch. The nerf was an overall net good for the game, there was a large group of players advocating on message boards to establish a strict meta build and that anyone who refuses to use it or is incapable of using it be instantly kicked from game lobbies without warning or explanation. The way Helldivers 2 is designed with its warbonds (battle passes) never expiring completely eliminates one of the largest reasons for these strict metas to exist. Every other live service game have their battle passes expire, forever cutting off player access to content both free and payed for regardless of how much was accessed by the players. My theory is that the players advocating a strict meta had been more or less conditioned by these other games to seek efficiency over fun in the games they play and that is terribly sad. I am glad the meta got crushed, I love running with effective yet fun builds and just having goofy fun with random players. I also should admit that I found the devs responses to be rather refreshing, the only people I have met who were upset by the responses tend to be the meta crowd nut bars.
"We want players to have an awesome amount of choices. That's why we are nerfing these items, that are overperforming but do not give players new tools by buffing other items, that were underperforming. That way, we are giving players not only less choices, we are actively making the whole game more annoying." I don't play that game but from everything I have heard about the situation, this is what the choice of developers boils down to. We had this happen in Diablo 3 years ago (I'd like to say a decade ago), where they nerfed the "necessary" builds at the time. Fast forward to nowadays. We do have absolutely inflated numbers in the game, but that is just a numbers thing. They could shrink down every number in the game, and the overall balance of the game would still stand. That balance being, that we have 3 to 5 viable builds per class (obviously for different situations; some are amazing for pushing, some are amazing for speedfarming etc.). Guess how they got to that point? While they did nerf stuff sometimes, they were and still are also constantly BUFFING stuff, that was underperforming. You NEVER can give players "mOrE bUiLd DiVeRsItY" by taking shit away. That's now how maths works. "I want to give you more, that's why I'm taking something away from you."
I'm fine with the design choice of needing to use your stratagems to take down the bigger/more heavily armored enemies, but I think for that to work, the cooldown of some stratagems needs to be reduced by a good amount and some of them need to be reworked entirely.
Its a squad game....stay with your team. Suddenly you will find your not getting over-run nearly as much if you are supporting each other with all your stratagems.
You know, in basically every other line of work, the kind of behavior we saw from that Helldivers dev (trolling the customers "for [his] own entertainment") would have resulted in immediate termination, not "don't worry HR's gonna talk to everyone about being more professional." The enthusiast culture of indie game development is a hell of a double-edged sword.
@@NickHunter You can just as easily flip that around: The game exists because players paid for it. It's not an act of selfless charity on the devs' part, and none of them would have jobs if it weren't for the people who bought the game. There's a mutuality in indie game development, with gamers and developers enabling each other to follow their respective passions. That's part of the double-edged sword: if there were no personal feelings involved, no indie games would ever get made.
100% agree with Helldivers 2 devs. Not everyone should be competing on hardest difficulty skill should be needed if don’t like it stay in lower diff mode
I agree, completing them should be a badge of honor for teams with the skill and teamwork to pull it off. Not something a person with low skill and OP weapons can just solo.
You guys are ignoring the core issue that the whole uproar is centered around though. The railgun for example was not "OP" when compared to the other guns generally. It was only excelling in one single thing: Single target damage against heavy armor. No other weapon has that to the same degree which is why the Railgun was such a popular choice. They nerfed that while saying they want other weapons to shine as well. The issue is, they just don't shine in this respect. If they had nerfed the railgun while upping some of the heavy armor pen and damage of the weapons that are supposed to be anti-tank while saying look, these weapons underperformed but now they should be equally valid choices, go try these out then the uproar would have never happened. The issue is the lack of alternatives. It's not about high difficulties being too easy when using these weapons. You still need a lot of skill for it. But the way these missions are cleared now is by simply running which you can still do solo (even better than fighting with a railgun or the other weapons btw). And is that the game the devs envision? Running simulator from bugs while using your orbital and eagle weapons to quickly do the objectives, then extract or die to end the mission? @@Lilyth_Helyste
@@Nerex7The "Core issue" as you put it is not an issue, they already stated the other guns will be getting adjusted going forward, The same patch that properly balanced the breaker and railgun also buffed other weapons. Those buffs are always ignored by those like you who say "all the other weapons are still weak!!111" Also overlooking that the game is aimed at teamwork of co-op players, which is most effective if all 4 are /not/ rocking the exact same loadouts. That said, the game is new, and made by a small development team. They can't really be expected to just fix everything in one go, They are doing things step by step. Players need to learn patients and let them work instead of throwing tantrums. Also, aside from a couple more super samples HD difficulty is pointless anyway unless you just want a high challenge. The percent you get for planet liberation from clearing all three missions, is the exact same as what you get from clearing all three on hard mode. Another factor is, part of the reason all the weapons "Suck" is they are planning to add a weapon customization feature where we the players can improve weapons ourselves to fit our own playstyles, which will be awesome. This is why the breaker nerfs were so minor and hardly noticeable, it only needed a small adjustment. The rail gun went from zero risk and high reward, to high risk and high reward. Rewarding players with the skill to use it correctly, which is perfect for this kinda game. Not extracting at the end of a HD run just to complete it is silly and pointless since the best, well only reason really mechanically speaking, to even run it is getting the super samples, which you dont get if you dont extract with them.
elden ring even had the same outcome from not having an "easy mode" a lot of players quit playing before beating margit, the fact that the helldivers devs r saying their game isnt for bad players is potentially going to make ppl stop playing. i personally havent played the game so i dnt kno if the game is actually hard enough to warrant the community hate, but if it is i completely understand being mad that they nerfed ppls fun. balancing a game and nerfing fun r 2 completely different things and a lot of the times balancing the game makes it less fun.
D4 leader boards improvement ideas: - What you already said - flag to show if a profile is private or not - Snapshot of the build, not the currently equipped items - On group play we MUST have a way to see the classes that the run was made with instead of just the names - Quality of life improvement - easier way to access it (not only from one town) and vendors nearby. Also why does the retry button does not start a new run, but instead teleports you out and it's not next to the rock or whatever it is, but a few feet away (if you press close and leave dungeon it's right next to it for example). Personal opinion - the chests are useless and there shouldn't be any items dropping even the keys - just remove that.
Man, everyone's talking about the nerf but my two favorite weapons got buffs: the punisher shotgun and flamethrower! I was loving and maining these before the patch, so now I'm just strolling around spreading the Emperor's Holy Fire and ganking bugs in the face 20 more times before I have to reload!
TLDR/boring: Is a dev a coder or the management of the coders? When using terms with gaming studios? What does dev actually mean in the context of gaming. I'm an application dev.. we do what the customer wants. We, the devs, talk to the points of how new features/changes could affect other systems and to the added cost of time to the development. Do the coders of a game, from a studio, have any say to changes in the game? A dev to me is a coder. I would think the best way a dev (coder) could communicate with their customers is taking in information and offering alternatives without adding any emotion into anything.
17:25 Cool suggestions but we are almost 4 seasons in with no core additions to the game. Just tweaks and QoL, only REAL thing they added was uber bosses that aren't even a challenge (worst thing they did was the uber uniques, just needs to be...uniques) oh and this gauntlet thing. Rest of what they added....theres still objectives even if they reduced the requirements in sigils, dungeons are the same boring narrow layouts w/ a few extra enemies, paragon board is just stat inflation, no new skills, no new branches to skills, no new dungeon bosses with mechanics, more microtransactions, more season passes and seasons that don't carry over into the game that already has very little to do. This all is because of the design choices and formula they put into their game. Now they are adding Season 2 stuff into legendary aspects instead of melding them into the paragon board. We got an itemization rework coming, but almost 4 seasons in + preseason, what they have given as a "live service game" vs games like PoE that is "CORE"? Few uniques? Few Aspects? Balance tweaks? A kiss of QoL? Less Buggy Horse? So far these seasons have been a waste of their time and ours. Atleast every season in PoE we get new tools/environments/mechanics that have gone core to play with our characters beyond just more uniques/aspects, or adjustments to the game. They can keep adding bad mechanics to the game but class design is one of the more bigger and bland issues at this time next to itemization. And adding alittle more options isn't complicating the game to a "PoE PHD level". Especially if you look at Last Epoch, I'd take their system anyday over...2 passives this way or 2 passives that way for my "CORE SKILL", then put 5 points to max out the skill, DONE. You hear a new season is coming out, but you are pretty much still playing a new character on repeat with a few uninspired twists and a grindy seasonal mechanic. Themes have been cool, executions have been poor. Add gauntlet to this list.
The biggest balancing mistake devs historically make is to over-shoot game balance. So there is some aspects where I understand when they pinpoint a nerf or a buff here, but not try to change too much at once. That usually, in the end, makes for a better balance approach, but may often not be the one with the best player reaction. Either way, hope things end up for the best, for everybody all around.
Have they nerfed chargers cause they were an absolute waste of time and ammo when I played last without a railgun or a constant upkeep of huge long CD stratagems...like idk how they intend us to reasonably work out how to deal with 3-4 chargers at all times on a higher difficulty while they are also faster and more frequent?
A lot of game designers fall into this trap. The solution to "OP" items in games is NEVER NERF ANYTHING. Buff the bad items, leave the OP items as-is. If this throws the difficulty off wildly, buff the enemies. You see, the difficulty of the game doesn't need to stay static. Good weapons/gear/items make games fun. Nerfing them always, unequivocally, makes the game less fun. Buffing unused items gives new good stuff to players, making the game more fun. 2 caveats. First, over many years (10+), this can cause bloat. The solution to that is a stat squish. Second, the "buff only" approach requires more effort. Buffing 10 items is "harder" than nerfing 1. But you know what's harder than good game design????.... going bankrupt cause everyone stopped playing. gg.
I would fire that DEV no matter what he said ....He gave the community the example of his own personal agenda!.......unacceptable behavior! For any team member! But hey I play the game and It's amazing how far it has come since release thanx for the updates on all of those titles .....Be safe gamers!
Diablo 4 was such a strange experience for me. When I played the Beta, I thought they had hit gold, like D2 was! I still felt that way until I got to level 95 and then realized how bored out of my mind I was and realized that it was the dungeon and gear game template that they built the whole game around. -- I gave it a second chance in season 2, got to level 100, and I was right the first time -- every second felt like a choir. I don’t see how they can save a game that is designed in a way that is just fundamentally boring.
People forget, these devs have access to telemetry data. The vocal minority on reddit does NOT have anything to do with how most people are playing a game. Ive seen it from both ends. Community complains about something, yet in actuality, only 2% of players are even encountering it.
Not all games are for everyone, and harder difficulty levels are not something everyone should be able to handle without skills. Many of the complaints I've read have made me feel like 'this is a skill issue.' Believing that one should be able to master the hardest parts of a game without talent is astonishing. Get good at the game instead of complaining! I understand the developers.
Hated the direction Arrowhead took with Gauntlet: Slayer Edition 2014. Loved the story they presented prior to the release, but game was more linear staging than the maze tradition most of it's predecessors had. Instead of staying faithful to the franchise decided to put their own damn spin on it and it sucks cause no one wanted it or talked enough about it back then, but looking at how the game was already made the damage looked irreversible and is what it is. I enjoyed their Magicka series. Didn't know about Helldivers. I hear nothing but good about them through friends, clan mates for Helldivers 2. Will keep an eye out more on that game. 👍
As for the D4 Gauntlet, profiles need to be public, end of story. We need to make sure both the playerbase and the devs can see anything possibly shady going on and squash it immediately.
I agree top rankers should be bullied out of playing the game. (obviously sarcastic) 1; devs can see the full builds so dont worry about shenanigans going on 2; dont know if its the case but if its public other people can find them and and whisper them to ask questions about their build as you can only see gear and active skills. 3; if everything was displayed everyone would just copy that build and reign in a bunch more negitive impacts on the game
@@razorgimpy3519Number 3, people already know the top builds, i know people can have something they may have found out about a build, but with all the content creators making the most absurd builds, this isnt very likely.
I do not think the private profile is bad. If you can not do the gauntlet without looking what others do, then you should not do it at all. I think all players skills used should be visible. But the gear should still be private if you want. Showing the skills get a hint of the build used. Get it together is up to the player. If all just do what others do, then i think the hole point of the leaderboard is not existing. And of experience in other games inspect players can be a bad thing. Some will only party with those who have the best gear. And i think it add a toxic community like in wow, where players get kicked if they do not have perfect gear, i have tried it many times in wow. But how would you get the best gear if no one will party with you to do the content to get the gear to begin with. I was happy private was a thing in diablo 4. So we do not get the thing where, i will not play with you because of your gear thing going on. Specially in a game with so bad gear as diablo 4. Getting kicked because you have bad rng is bad.
10:28 there’s a difference between been a bit sassy in a good natured way and the acting like kids that most of the studio seemed to be doing. I’m a grown up I try my best to act like I am this means that a lot of the time I don’t actually say what I’m thinking or feeling because doing so will only make a bad situation worse, on UA-cam I write about 3x the number of posts than I actually post, most of them I end up not posting because they won’t help anything and posting them will at the very least make someone mad that I don’t have to do, I’m no saint but I don’t have to spread misery just because I’m in a bad mood or angry, I have a hard time with anger management (I shout mostly but there has been some wall hitting I’m my past) but I’ve learned to control it and it’s not easy so if I can do thing then a normal person can do it too. I’m quite fed up of people that are meant to be professionals acting like children were grown ups and we should act like it.
The D4 issue is that the item hung isn’t as compelling as it should be. Any of these modes is a band aid on a gushing wound. We’ll see if they deliver in S4. I’m not saying new modes aren’t welcome but the item ecosystem needs to be there first.
In Helldivers, I just went "oh ok, then i'll use something else". I have no idea why people are complaining about meta removal. if you can use whatever with equal use, I see nothing wrong in that.
For me the nerf isn't really an issue. The bugs etc. are thou. It isn't fun to receive yet another update that cripples the game.. had so many issues when they dropped the mechs i couldn't enjoy it really.. @6:55 Skill issue clearly comes to mind... the devs certainly need to learn how to effectively design, implement, architect (the base) and test their game. The number of bugs and issues in the last few days really felt stupid after going through the launch.. .. it still isn't time to do balancing .. do fix your fricking (DB) implementation which still seems to act up, then, when people don't freeze up for 30+s on looting treasure, and rewards are handed out timely, you might think about balancing.. PS: There is this concept called "(public-/beta-) test-servers" where you can deploy stuff and invite dedicated players to test them, creating data and whatnot for you to analyze and fine tune your changes before delivering them to the rest of the world. I know it might be a new concept for some but that was at least in some distant past industry standard..
I tried it cause of your stream, and glad I did. I enjoy how easy it is you can group up and play with people. Something about playing with people is more fun.
I will never not be astounded by the fact that despite knowing how obnoxious Nintendo is as a company and how shoddy their products are, year after year, people continue buying the same game about a jumping Italian plumber and keeping the pos that is Nintendo afloat.
imho the issue with the Helldivers 2 Patch was that it treated a symptom, not the cause of the issue. Usually when I play games, I'll not discover the meta on my own. I'll play some shit that is fun to me while making really bad mistakes and I'll later be educated after actually informing myself, it's never been different. When I pick up a weapon or character in games and I think like wow this is really op, it pretty much always ends up mid while some stuff that I never would have expected ends up in the meta. However, in this game, all of the above, the Breaker shotgun, the Railgun and the Shield found their way to becoming items that I most commonly use. I never looked up any streams, metaplay or any of the sort. So that got me thinking, if a knucklehead like me stumbles upon the most meta items and deems them really essential - how glaring must the core issue of the game be? Armor was bugged out of its mind and even after being fixed, it still feels like paper. You got 1-shot by even the tiny bugs so using a shield felt like the right thing to do. Now you get 1-shot even through the shield, so between being 1-shot and being 1-shot but having 1 less equipment slot, the shield is now history. The breaker gun got a mild nerf, more spread, less ammo. It's still the same as before in my book but it's got less range. Makes sense, it's a shotgun. It was surprising how far that thing went to begin with. The Railgun? Well, people started sacrificing one of their equipment slots with one single enemy in mind: the charger. The devs now nerfed the railgun because it deals with a charger too quickly. The thing they didn't think through is, there aren't 1 or 2 of those beasts on higher difficulties. There might be up to 8-12. You may think, well, for that instance we got weapons like the Expendable ANTI-TANK rocket launcher. Single use but powerful enough to take out out surely, right? Well, not exactly. You get 2 of those and you will need 2 of those for a single one. The mistake this patch made was that they nerfed these items without providing alternatives. The game now feels...worse. You will see even more isolated loadouts than before. Before, some people took AoE dealing measures, other took the strong single target railgun. Now you'll probably see a more one-sided split than before with 3-4 people running the same weapon to deal with the same issue. I don't even care much about how the devs reacted. They are just people. And obviously they are people without any PR training or team, which is probably a flaw in their team that they are addressing right now. Some of those sentences should have never made it to social media. Players are assholes at times like these but that doesn't mean devs should steep that low.
Parents bring up toxic children with no respect for other human beings and without family values, so what is expected when it comes to gaming. Behaving like children and trolling them is not acceptable.
I always felt they dropped the ball on D4 stronghold's. You could do some cool hoard defense after you have captured them or something. The platform is there, hopefully they can get some creative juices going for things like that!
@@martinatzejensen6787 i've been living at 7 for like 2 weeks now. After the initial shock you get acclimated to the hordes. But i wanna see the devs do it if they're gonna talk like that. 🤔 maybe I AM the noob, idk 🤷♂️
@@doctortraumacockThey aren't a big corporate entity just pumping out crap. There's a good chance they play their own games. Also they are still balancing the game. It's still new by all accounts.
Helldivers 2 devs assume everyone playing their game runs a tight 4 man team consisting of their irl friends. Playing with randoms, if you have "op" loadout, you'll still get wiped. I wonder if they just want to make it harder for players to grind for things, so their engagement numbers are up. Good luck with that.
I do think things like recoilless and expendable rockets at least should 1 or 2 shot chargers depending on where they're shot I also remember when a For Honor dev kind of said the same exact kinds of things XD
After the patch, it appears they've buffed enemy spawn rates to the point where they will literally materialize right on top of you when all your cooldowns are down, and the large amount of replies to these complaints is "lol git gud"
Let's be clear about the HD2 situation. The primary issue is that the Dev's actioned on a design philosophy that was completely out of sync with how they actually designed their game. It felt like a gut punch because up until that patch the focused seemed to be entirely on Difficulty + Fun being the focus. Many have the opinion that the Developers of the game are not even playing their own game, nor have they gone above difficulty 6 in any real capacity. This is such a strong sentiment in the community now that you'll find quite a few comments asking the Devs to livestream a 4-man dev-team only game of them playing 7, 8, and 9 difficulties live on stream to prove they actually know what's going on in their own game. It reeks of bad direction that is completely counter to what made HD2 such a bombshell success. People get REALLY passionate when a new potentially golden-goose game comes along that is then "ruined" by the devs themselves not understand what sparked their success. Armor also wasn't "fixed" but broken even further. All armor pre-patch essentially had 100 armor. Once the values themselves started "working as expected" Light armor became squishier, Medium armor didn't really change too much, and Heavy Armor is still worthless. Incidentally, people are claiming that Helmet armor is always 100, and hits against your head are ALWAYS critical hits crunching 40%++ of your hp away in one swipe/shot. Overall, the Armor "fix" has been seen as a complete negative and a "nerf" in and of itself against player survivability. Lastly, you start adding in the "stealth" hidden changes that appear to have been added to the game with every patch most notably with the "Balance" patch as of late. The devs themselves admitting to not adding quite a lot of changes, but they had no real reason they could give as to why those changes didn't make it into the patch notes. Overall, lots of emotions flying around over what has been perceiving as a life raft floating in a sea of corporate carnage as of late in the gaming industry. Their Devs working on HD2 just seem to not have the experience needed for how popular the game actually became. Sure, there's been some bad eggs ruining the pot for everyone else, however a LOT of the criticism has been warranted from the community towards the Devs. They really do need to do better imo. 🤔
Why dont devs just tell it how it is, "we nerfed the weapons cause ya'll are breaking the game to fast, if we don't nerf ya'll be gone to another game in a week"
For SBI and Kim Belair and Legobutts and all of their ilk. Let's focus on making these DEI companies obsolete. Don't purchase anything that these companies have touched.
Correct me if I’m wrong but, don’t enemies with heavier armor in HD2 have weak points you can aim for to bypass that armor? Which makes the people who bitch about the nerfs a text book case of a skill issue The dev shouldn’t have said it due to it being unprofessional…but more people should probably be told that about nerfs
Here's the problem with the weapons in HD2: Theyre all dog shit now and the difficulty is higher. Where ammo is so limited, if it takes me 4 bullets to kill 1 light armored trash mob and I have 6 chargers on me and not even a 500 kg bomb will kill them all in one shot, what do you want me to do? I keep finding myself out of resources, while constantly on the run without a breather, dealing with bug breach after bug breach or dropship after dropship.
That honestly sounds really awesome, at least if it's optional. Sadly I'm still having too much fun with DRG atm but HD2 is constantly climbing in my wishlist.
Sounds like a skill issue bud. I’m having no issues cause I’m not expecting what they consider a medium armor round to drop a tank anymore. Bring a speer antitank weapon and it will pop the head off a Bile titan in one shot. Match the weapons to the work. Not the other way around.
The Arc Thrower is very good, even at Helldiver difficulty. I hardly ever even reach for my primary weap anymore unless you have some hunters right in your face. The biggest change gameplay wise thats happened due to the Railgun nerf is its now much harder to run off solo at high tier difficulties since you cant just insta gib everyone by your self. This is a good change, its a squad based game, learn to play as a team, even if its with randoms!
@@David_randomnumber it "sounds" awesome, but in practice it becomes a dog-water experience of just running constantly and never actually being able to fight back. They had a solid balance before even all the way up to diff 9. All they had to do was buff other weapons to be "useful" or on-par with the ones they yoinked out from under us. :(
Is Helldivers even playable now or is matchmaking still non-functional? Pretty weird that the most hype product of the year is non functional and essentially a 0/10... is the top guide on a Steam still how to try and play solo? Great if it's fixed, but I am astounded by how a technically broken product can still get so much praise in this day and age. Don't really have to look far to see why gaming is in the shitter.
To be clear, I don't trust players OR developers when it comes to forum drama. Players - enough said, everyone understands how certain sections of certain communities will respond with death threats the moment anything happens that makes them feel even slightly less godly. Developers - frequently capable of phenomenal arrogance, or giggly dorks who specifically engineer their games to require particularly weird and unfun playstyles to beat the game, supposedly in the name of 'difficulty'. (Or don't even do that much work, they just throw a bunch of abilities and a bunch of numbers into a blender and hope for the best while they go back to playing Civ 6.) So developers trolling players for 'not playing right' when people are literally just there to have fun, and were previously doing that, that really could go either way, for sure. And I don't wanna tell Rhykker how to do a job he's already obviously incredible at, but also, just perhaps this is one of the few communities anywhere that actually could stand to hear some specific numbers (i.e, the sheer scale of the nerfs involved) in a story, but genuinely kinda leans into this stuff. (Also why are shotguns in any game such a terrible binary of broken mechanics, they're either the god-tier weapon for nearly any situation or utter junk. Especially weird when you consider their real-life versatility of the basic idea, ranging from 'guaranteeing you win the very close range fight' all the way to 'shoot birds when they're in the air', but like, also NOT something that tends to see a whole of interest from your average professional soldier?)
It's not even a form of greater rifts. At least those had levels, rng, progressive difficulty and rewards at the end. This is just running in a small loop for 8 minutes so you get a couple caches at the end of the week for a couple pieces gear you can't use.
I think an endgame that D4 could utilize relatively easily would be an endless dungeon. A leaderboard is a perfect fit for something like this too. You could track how far you get into the dungeon, and compete for the deepest level with other players. I don't know of any endgame concept that matches this one for potential replayability either, since the levels could be made completely random, and there could be bosses on levels that give out loot relative to the level you as the player are on.
@@LestatTVPickle Rifts had a cap. And honestly, I didn't like the rigidly-structured format. I envision something similar in the sense that there are areas you must clear, and bosses that you MAY encounter(but may not), and an endless number of levels to challenge yourself. Have almost every part of these areas randomized, boss spawns/types included. You could even have it set to, on some random levels, just provide you a chest with lots of loot instead of fighting a boss. The possibilities are endless, as would be the progression. Could have a leaderboard for that too...
@@tlee656 they were literally different levels each time, with roaming elites. A cap isn't a bad thing, was in 3 as there was no cap to paragon, but in 4 there is. You directly described rifts from 3 in your original post, but then someone called it what it was, and you changed it around. Sounds like you won't be happy until you make a game yourself.
@@phyxion123 Everyone keeps saying that, but that's not quite what I mean. Greater Rifts had a MAXIMUM level of 150, that you could NOT go beyond. I'm talking about a truly ENDLESS dungeon, with loot that scales to that level's difficulty. Perhaps, if the scaling is too drastic, there could be a gear set just for pushing these dungeons, only to be used for the purposes of doing these runs. Is it really a new concept? No, but I don't hear any other real good ideas for an endgame that allows our characters to feel that sense of progression that we are looking for.
I agree with Rhykkers remarks on how rail-gun felt like a reliable tool, and they should of addressed why* people feel reliant on that stratagem rather then just make it a less reliable option. They also could go lighter on nerfs to not make it feel too dramatic. I'm enjoying the flamethrower, though I'm currently on 7 of 9 difficulty level with my friends; hardly play solo with pugs on this game.
I'm in the same boat on the Gauntlet, will probably do it once a week like I used to do D3 challenge rifts and am glad it's in the game but rarely will play a ton of it. I have a few other issues with the leaderboard though. If I want to see what the threshold is for getting on it the only way seems to be clicking 99 times to see the last page...which is an awful system (assuming I'm not just missing something). Next I tried the filters which was showing nothing...which I found odd since I didn't try it until Saturday. Turns out, they just were working EXTREMELY inconsistently, where "all platforms friends normal barb" would show nothing often...but sometimes show 2 of my friends and I...and sometimes show a 3rd friend only. The clan filter also worked very inconsistently. These weren't recent clears that just hadn't posted yet, many were from 4 days ago by that point. Gameplay was more enjoyable than I thought, but the leaderboards were so much worse than I thought they could be.
First UA-camr I have seen to give a balanced take of the railgun nerf. They should have buffed other weapons first, then nerfed. Also, he has a good take on the dev backlash. Subbed.
What we saw from Helldivers is the same exact thing that we saw from D4's pre-season 1 patch. People do NOT like having the first patch they get be full of nerfs without good buffs to counteract it. Flamethrower has gotten some love, but I'm not seeing a lot of people praising the Laser Cannon buffs, for example. It's all been problems with way too many heavy armored targets and not enough tools to deal with them.
@@NickHunterNot really. Nerfed Shield generator: buffed orbital barrages. They stuff suck…that’s 1 for 1 strat. Nerfed Breaker and rail gun: buffed Flamethrower, laser cannon and Punisher. That’s 2 v 3 weapons. They buffed one more weapon than they nerfed. Flame thrower is pretty good. Laser cannon still lackluster Vs armor. Breaker S&P got both nerf and buff. What got nerfed is not on par with what got buffed, one was a tool against armor. That’s like taking away your military’s artillery and telling them it’s okay because we got you new pistols.
I like the fact that, you marked the helldivers news portion in the time stamp. I give zero crap about that game. Don't know whats so exciting about a fps cod clone. And thanks for the other relevant news.
Gamers these days expect every game should be fairly easy to clear. I like devs that want to present a challenge to their players. Mocking the players is probably a mistake but the players crying like babies is just as frustrating.
Sure they can do this but they need to be cognizant of the fun/ power fantasy vs that quest for balance…. Where balance can lead to a game that becomes boring af.
11:00 I agree. Dev's shouldn't say they are devs on these forums and just troll them back like the rest of us with 0 repercussions on what we say to them, or how we treat them. /s
I feel I will give the company a second chance. I enjoy the game and the CEO publicly corrected and apologized for the rouge dev’s unacceptable behaviour. I for one will overlook the last couple of days and disregard “what they showed me the first time”.
Gotta love it when game devs decide nerfs and buffs based on usage stats without considering how or why something is used over something else, makes it seem like they don't play their own game.
Gauntlet have so many issues I dont even know where to start. First of all there is no item incentive to even do it, you would need to at least get same rewards as normal T70 NM dungeon after finishing it rift style with loot explosion at the end. Second we need snapshot of build that was used to finish the gauntlent. Not a profile view. ppl change builds. Third problem is some classes need massive time consuming and hard to revers from memory build changes to even have a remote sense in participating in this mode. Without an Armory where we can easily switch builds and gear this feature is just for streamers. For example if you play niche build or minion build there is not even any point of trying the gauntlet. And thats just few issues from the top of my head.
Honestly I agree with 99% of the helldivers nerfs, though I wish the railgun wasn't quite so nerfed. It's still my go to with the bots though, and it did push me to trying the laser cannon, which isn't all that bad now, and the arc rifle, which is absolutely delightful against the bugs
Players are glass cannons. Luv to spit the fire, but cant handle a peeble.
Yeah, the whole meta thing is a joke. People kicking other players that aren't meta is dumb. People just need to play and have fun. Everyone soo sweaty and try hard. Just play the game and have fun lol. People getting mad over meta is hilarious.
The devs are too it looks like
I haven't played in a few days so dont bite my head off for this but I've heard from players who are pretty efficient at the game that the real problem for them comes with the increase to enemies numbers and speed and aggressiveness on higher difficulties compounds the nerfs effects.
Yep.
@@K-ro7lm Those players miss the point. You don’t get XP for killing because they don’t want there to be an incentive to kill everything.
Any fighting that is not over the objective is basically a light show. In the previous game I would go low in higher difficulties and try to avoid kicking the nest till I had to.
Don't care about the nerfs so much as the pretty absurd spawn rates and spawning on top of you even on lower difficulties
Yeah and as you're spawning after being killed you immediately get destroyed by an explosion or things that are able to attack you as you're coming out of the pod
All the time. Clear an area. Look on your map for like 10sec. Look up again, and doods are clipping up thru the ground all around you 🤦♂️
While the devs have said there are some bugs with the spawn rates in certain spots, most of the problems you're talking about are actual issues you and the squad are bringing on yourself.
The aggro system takes into account how many strats you're calling down in an area and in how short a time.
When you first drop you trigger the first instance of 'noise'. If you end up calling down a bunch of support stuff immediately then you raise that 'noise' to the point where patrols come looking and may trigger patrol spawns nearby if there aren't enough to keep up with the level of 'noise' the squad created.
People are out there beating Helldiver solo with smoke grenades, anti-material rifle, and other various combinations JUST because they understand the aggro.
There's already talk about it being changed to not spawn as much as it's already doing. One thing I didn't like, was the automaton summoning, you stop it, but another just starts instead. I would love that to disappear. Make 1 dude 50/50 roll if it'll summon, and make all others unable, is my own choice if I could decide.
@@karsonkammerzell6955 thanks for the tips. I still think people shouldn't be punished for calling in support gear in the first 30 secs of landing, esp in a "safe" landing zone
1 thing to note with Helldivers: There was also several undocumented buffs that were NOT in the patch notes. Some backlash could of been avoided if communication was better.
You know you lost when you "fight" back.. at your clients.
The fact that the Diablo IV Gauntlet / Leaderboard does NOT show the players' gear and build. As such you have no idea of knowing if someone is using multiple Ubers or what build they are using. Utterly baffling for all the delays and NOT be any good.
Rhykker, thanks for keeping us updated in gaming news!
The Devs Cooked, and the players can’t handle the spice of a beautiful dish. I barely even noticed the need because I like using different loadaouts and (yall won’t believe this) HAVING FUCKING FUN
Yeah, honestly rail gun is the last support weapon i have yet to unlock :D
I agree but the video wasn’t about that. The Devs were out of line and got corrected by the CEO for their quote “unacceptable behaviour”. Some of the community was out of line too but it’s not their business model. We need positivity right now because it is a good game. Claiming it’s the player’s fault they don’t like something that was changed is what kicked this all off in the first place.
"I'm sorry if people took offence to it" he said after admitting he was intentionally trying to offend people.
read: I'm not sorry nor should I be. Stop whining - Which is correct
They deserve every bit of it lol. Gamers are hateful bastards.
Sorry... even though I agree with some of the dev comments and changes, Evil Boss came off as an absolute asshole. Truly a smoothbrain choice to insult your own playerbase in any circumstance.
he was right though
@@NickHunter Imagine buying a car and the power steering doesnt work. You call to complain and they tell you, "Git good at steering. Skill issue, nerd. Real drivers can steer without it." Id be fired for saying that to a customer.
@@Mr_Giraffe989 Yeah because you'd be putting the drivers life in LITERAL danger. wtf you smoking my guy? If you made this comparison with idk Power windows or cruise control sure, not an essential system needed to drive the friggen vehicle. Get a grip lmao
@@Mr_Giraffe989 the gun works, if they'd patched the game and all of a sudden the game crashes when you equip it or something I could see an equivalence here. But no, sorry, git fuckin gud :D
Appreciate the weekly recap! It was a good one this time!
No one trolls players better than the Diablo 4 devs.
cod devs troll far better.
@@dusttodust915have you played any Diablo games? There are no set items/sets in Diablo4……. If I could sue the dog shit out of blizzard I would. Class action wouldn’t be half bad either because this is just dog shit.
@@TheSakufighter You would sue them... because there are (currently) no sets in the game? I think i just lost a couple of IQ points reading that comment...
And yes, i have played Diablo since the original Diablo, at a time, where the internet wasnt even really a thing yet.
@@Daniel-rd6styea all but immortal.
@@dusttodust915I played Immortal for some time, but mostly because i was intrested in the story. Though i think the pvp did have potential (it was like a moba), if the whole game wouldnt be just a pay to win fiesta.
Most likely what happened with the emulator is that the lawyers came in and took a look at what would have been seen by Nintendo during the discovery process of the trial and decided that what was there was enough for potential criminal charges so they settled immediately. That’s typically why settlements like this happen.
D4 Leaderboard should have been on launch, or even in Beta. D4 claimed that it was delayed so much because they were tying it to content, and they played it up in a huge way, but now that it's out it's not much at all, it is one little part of the trials, which we'll likely get more of over the next 5-7 years. It's the swiss cheese business model no gamer has ever liked.
Too bad the leaderboards are compromised as players could snapshot shrines before entering the gauntlet, giving them a huge advantage. Took this long and still didn't get it right.
I think the gauntlet should've been a drg survivor type game mode. People seem to enjoy that game and tying a leaderboard to that would've been successful
The devs didn't play it up, content creators did.
You can say that about any games new features, that it shouda been there at launch.
@@utmastuh it's easy, just release a game mode converting to a completely different game that only came out 3 weeks ago. No problem.
The best thing for me about Helldiver updates was how we got the Mech suits.
Not just a random patch and suddenly boom: suits.
No, we had to fight for it and earn it. I wonder what would happen if Tien Kwan would fall under Automatons again. Would we lose the stratagems? Would the bots gain better heavy armor units?
This makes thinking about updates in the future a lot more fun than in other games!
Would be cool if the one who got it, keep it, and the players that don't have it yet, will have to recapture to get it for themselves.
Wouldn't that just make new players and people who have less time to play, have their progression halted for no reason?
Like seriously sounds harmful instead of "cool".
What would be actually cool though, is allow players to relive such moments, without any intrinsic progression reward, but a one-time bonus progression boost. You may play over and over, but the reward boost is only once.@@imgnku
@@leoleo1035 These moments are meant to exist constantly in the game. For all we know, we could have stuff temporarily removed from our arsenals as the galactic war rages on... There are also many more tools incoming; like multiple variants of the exosuits as well as other vehicles (APC, Scout Car, Bike etc). To be fair, these players didn't miss out on much besides spamming some mission types while the menu told you that you won. I think there will be more community moments from things like the skirmishes for Malevalon Creek than the unlock of tools personally.
D4’s issue is that the rewards are always the same. Why put forth so much effort just to get more legendary aspects when there are much easier ways to get them? Even the season journey rewards are lackluster. Banner icons in D4 have no flare and aren’t really worth chasing. D3’s portraits are miles better.
My issue with Diablo is that it's a static view were I can't even see the details on my own cosmetics without pausing and viewing the character screen. Cosmetics can be awesome in MMOs and RPGs and even some battle royales where players can see characters up close. In this locked in wide panned back view, it's a waste of money.
Would be nice if we could get a real cindershot bow instead of a skin that costs 25 dollars.
@@laner.845 it is a waste of money. Don't buy them.
That dev is a badass. Doesn't cater to the sweats at all. Need more like him in the industry.
It's just pathetic when someone gets triggered and starts pretending they are just rage baiting and trolling when they are really just lashing out like a child themselves. A single dev just made his community team and his coworkers jobs harder.
Your videos are always great to watch brother. And, not going to lie, I had a bit of a laugh during the first half, when you sounded like a Principle telling the teachers that they can't let themselves get bothered by their annoying students 😂
Me a Warframe Player: First time?
Warframe has so many good weapons though ❤️ they may nerf the 1 or 2 most popular ones, but they have so many more good ones you can use instead of
@@Retrosenescentthey did, however, did quite a nerf to the overused AoE weapon spam. You can still make it work, but for the average public matchmaking mission it was essentially killed. and people still area clear everything before you can even see it. overall such nerfs are good riddance.
As a previous Warframe player. Oh your nerfing stuff again. Bye.
Warframe doesnt have the same problem. There has never been only 1 effective tool for dealing with difficult content in Warframe, a limited pool of weapons sure, but never only 1. Especially true now, as there is dozens of weapons that are good in even the most difficult content and most Warframes are more than viable.
@@KesslerCOILWarframe's problem is more that the devs use god awful justification for their nerfs. When they did the AoE weapon sweep for instance, which I wasn't really against in the grand scheme of things, they used explanations that could just as easily have been used to nerf ability spam, and they definitely should have given that it is much more egregious in far more areas of gameplay than weapons ever were. Who cares if you can kill all enemies in one shot in a 15 yard or whatever radius when you can do it through walls to all enemies in a 70 yard radius without the need for any aiming and never running out of energy once you have arcane energize. The devs seem to have this idea of the game that they came up with 500 years after the game's release and completely ignores what the game is and they will come up with any nonsense justification for trying to move in that direction.
devs werent wrong though lol
Agreed - if you can't take some shit-talking on your online shooter.... might want to change genre's ..... oh and actually git-gud LOL
It wasn't the shit talking that people couldn't take.
Most people around is used to dealing with that random 14 year old who claimed he banged your mom.
The problem was the unprofessional behavior of the devs.
They should NEVER act like that in a professional setting.
Most of the people complaining haven't even used the full arsenal. They hop on reddit, read what the "meta" is, then rely on it while gaining no new knowledge or skills. Personally, I think there is a slight problem in higher difficulties but it's more to do with the enemy roster lacking something between the medium units and the harder ones... So the result is spam of both sides. Instead of spamming several chargers and bile titans, it would be nice if there were softer 'baby chargers' that spawned in small packs. Maybe killing them by shooting the wrong spot could be disastrous and spawn in a mommy charger to ruin your day (or the armoured ones from the target missions).
At present, it can sometimes feel like a bit of a DPS race on two main enemies rather than a case of managing the horde with target priority... and this isn't even going into the Automaton's roster and ranged fire spam... So yea, balance isn't perfect, but I don't think the vocal mob are really looking at the right places when complaining.
For helldivers, the dev said they want you to use stratagems more but the cooldowns and limited uses for them verse the HUNDREDS of mobs is ridiculous. I have 3 biles, 4 chargers and a million mini stalkers jumping 4 football fields away on me I’m wrecked.
It's supposed to be a squad based game. If your team is sticking together and even kinda working together then you wont be getting overrun.
Everything goes tits up when the group splits and tries to go solo rambo'ing across the map.
Rail gun going from being used all the time to never being used, is great design and balance. I rarely if not at all see people rock it anymore. That's PEAK game deving right there boys.
Jokes on all of us. They nerfed the railgun AND buffed difficulty as of last update
I believe that the spawns are broken again. It wasn't done on purpose.
Skull Admiral here, I'm personally devastated by the nerfs and glad they went live. I used the railgun in safe mode, preferring the ability to charge my shot and wait for the right moment to release it. Now, being forced to use it in unsafe presents a risk/reward that promotes snap decision making. You have to time your shots much more carefully in order to maintain that effectiveness. But it also promotes different build setups in team gameplay, which I am absolutely loving.
Now I see why I just got a survey from Lost Epoch regarding possible nerfs to overpowered builds. I hadn't heard about the Helldivers nerfs and resulting player responses until I watched this video. The LE folks are definitely trying to get ahead of the curve on this topic...
These are tumultuous times for Diablo IV but I'm certain the devs will continue to improve the game and, after a couple of seasons, we'll have a lot of interesting things to do.
Yes yes, I know some of you will say it should've been perfect from the beginning; that it should've released with more endgame content.
However, do not forget that Blizzard have long term plans for Diablo IV. As they have stated multiple times, they want us to play it for at least 10 years. Sure, there are ways to keep players along for 10 years and then there are other ways.
But still, as a fellow developer, let me tell you this - I might have the greatest ideas for activities, crafting, new skills etc. but, if management waves a finger at me and says - "No, we won't include any of these at this point, don't work overtime because it won't change anything. We have to stretch this content over X seasons..." - then it doesn't matter what I want and if I am feeling the same way as the community, I have to follow the orders. Because if I go full rebel, the unwavering defender of player interests, they will fire me and replace me with someone else who is way more eager to obey.
And what happens then? You lose a developer who cared, who knew how to make the game better and was working hard on it, and you get another one who may not care at all and is there just for the salary or, god forbid, believes that microtransactions are the future of GaaS.
Diablo 4 I'm playing Last Epoch didn't play season 3 as I knew it wasn't going to be for me as I'm not into competition. Still waiting to see what they do for season 4 to decide on jumping back in. The Roguelike Dungeon sounds awesome, I hope they implement that.
Helldivers 2 patch also boosted other weapons, making the meta not so meta. This is what makes the game so much more fun because it requires Helldivers to work together.
The anger was from spawn rates. They silently doubled it, but acted like people were angry about the gun changes.
They unfucked the game in two days with a recent hotfix, so the rage will quickly die down.
I was about to say the same. Never cared about the railgun barely used it but I go solo/duo on helldive difficulty oneday and its just non stop spawns with at one point having like 10 chargers and 4 titans at the same time and ofc the fucking horde of bugs it was super unplayable as duo sure you could run all day and occasionaly kill some but it just wouldnt stop cuz they kept fucking breaching it was just annoying at that point not fun. I was about to say all these cringe people commenting probably never in their life stepped foot into hell dive difficulty but talk mad shit
Yeah the patch was overall negative because of the unmentioned changes which were a bad and unnecessarily rushed change.
The spawn rate is being looked at and tweaked in a future patch. The nerf was an overall net good for the game, there was a large group of players advocating on message boards to establish a strict meta build and that anyone who refuses to use it or is incapable of using it be instantly kicked from game lobbies without warning or explanation.
The way Helldivers 2 is designed with its warbonds (battle passes) never expiring completely eliminates one of the largest reasons for these strict metas to exist. Every other live service game have their battle passes expire, forever cutting off player access to content both free and payed for regardless of how much was accessed by the players. My theory is that the players advocating a strict meta had been more or less conditioned by these other games to seek efficiency over fun in the games they play and that is terribly sad. I am glad the meta got crushed, I love running with effective yet fun builds and just having goofy fun with random players.
I also should admit that I found the devs responses to be rather refreshing, the only people I have met who were upset by the responses tend to be the meta crowd nut bars.
"We want players to have an awesome amount of choices. That's why we are nerfing these items, that are overperforming but do not give players new tools by buffing other items, that were underperforming. That way, we are giving players not only less choices, we are actively making the whole game more annoying."
I don't play that game but from everything I have heard about the situation, this is what the choice of developers boils down to. We had this happen in Diablo 3 years ago (I'd like to say a decade ago), where they nerfed the "necessary" builds at the time. Fast forward to nowadays. We do have absolutely inflated numbers in the game, but that is just a numbers thing. They could shrink down every number in the game, and the overall balance of the game would still stand. That balance being, that we have 3 to 5 viable builds per class (obviously for different situations; some are amazing for pushing, some are amazing for speedfarming etc.). Guess how they got to that point? While they did nerf stuff sometimes, they were and still are also constantly BUFFING stuff, that was underperforming. You NEVER can give players "mOrE bUiLd DiVeRsItY" by taking shit away. That's now how maths works. "I want to give you more, that's why I'm taking something away from you."
The Railgun / shield combo still works fine. It just is not the best option for every single enemy in the game
I'm fine with the design choice of needing to use your stratagems to take down the bigger/more heavily armored enemies, but I think for that to work, the cooldown of some stratagems needs to be reduced by a good amount and some of them need to be reworked entirely.
Its a squad game....stay with your team. Suddenly you will find your not getting over-run nearly as much if you are supporting each other with all your stratagems.
Biggest issue in LE: Price for stash tabs. Biggest issue in D4: The game itself.
Choose wisely.
You know, in basically every other line of work, the kind of behavior we saw from that Helldivers dev (trolling the customers "for [his] own entertainment") would have resulted in immediate termination, not "don't worry HR's gonna talk to everyone about being more professional." The enthusiast culture of indie game development is a hell of a double-edged sword.
The game exists because of these people, if you don't like it jog on and play something else
@@NickHunter You can just as easily flip that around: The game exists because players paid for it. It's not an act of selfless charity on the devs' part, and none of them would have jobs if it weren't for the people who bought the game. There's a mutuality in indie game development, with gamers and developers enabling each other to follow their respective passions. That's part of the double-edged sword: if there were no personal feelings involved, no indie games would ever get made.
I would never, ever be a dev. Players can be sooo horrible, and yes devs are human beings and don’t deserve a lot of what they get.
100% agree with Helldivers 2 devs. Not everyone should be competing on hardest difficulty skill should be needed if don’t like it stay in lower diff mode
I agree, completing them should be a badge of honor for teams with the skill and teamwork to pull it off. Not something a person with low skill and OP weapons can just solo.
You guys are ignoring the core issue that the whole uproar is centered around though. The railgun for example was not "OP" when compared to the other guns generally. It was only excelling in one single thing: Single target damage against heavy armor. No other weapon has that to the same degree which is why the Railgun was such a popular choice. They nerfed that while saying they want other weapons to shine as well. The issue is, they just don't shine in this respect. If they had nerfed the railgun while upping some of the heavy armor pen and damage of the weapons that are supposed to be anti-tank while saying look, these weapons underperformed but now they should be equally valid choices, go try these out then the uproar would have never happened. The issue is the lack of alternatives.
It's not about high difficulties being too easy when using these weapons. You still need a lot of skill for it. But the way these missions are cleared now is by simply running which you can still do solo (even better than fighting with a railgun or the other weapons btw). And is that the game the devs envision? Running simulator from bugs while using your orbital and eagle weapons to quickly do the objectives, then extract or die to end the mission? @@Lilyth_Helyste
@@Nerex7wah
@@Nerex7I totally agree bro, why nerf the only thing that worked like why not buff other weapons and give us other options that way
@@Nerex7The "Core issue" as you put it is not an issue, they already stated the other guns will be getting adjusted going forward, The same patch that properly balanced the breaker and railgun also buffed other weapons. Those buffs are always ignored by those like you who say "all the other weapons are still weak!!111" Also overlooking that the game is aimed at teamwork of co-op players, which is most effective if all 4 are /not/ rocking the exact same loadouts. That said, the game is new, and made by a small development team. They can't really be expected to just fix everything in one go, They are doing things step by step. Players need to learn patients and let them work instead of throwing tantrums. Also, aside from a couple more super samples HD difficulty is pointless anyway unless you just want a high challenge. The percent you get for planet liberation from clearing all three missions, is the exact same as what you get from clearing all three on hard mode. Another factor is, part of the reason all the weapons "Suck" is they are planning to add a weapon customization feature where we the players can improve weapons ourselves to fit our own playstyles, which will be awesome. This is why the breaker nerfs were so minor and hardly noticeable, it only needed a small adjustment. The rail gun went from zero risk and high reward, to high risk and high reward. Rewarding players with the skill to use it correctly, which is perfect for this kinda game. Not extracting at the end of a HD run just to complete it is silly and pointless since the best, well only reason really mechanically speaking, to even run it is getting the super samples, which you dont get if you dont extract with them.
elden ring even had the same outcome from not having an "easy mode" a lot of players quit playing before beating margit, the fact that the helldivers devs r saying their game isnt for bad players is potentially going to make ppl stop playing. i personally havent played the game so i dnt kno if the game is actually hard enough to warrant the community hate, but if it is i completely understand being mad that they nerfed ppls fun. balancing a game and nerfing fun r 2 completely different things and a lot of the times balancing the game makes it less fun.
Game was easy though you could go wander off and come back level 50+ with a +8 weapon and destroy Margit.
D4 leader boards improvement ideas:
- What you already said - flag to show if a profile is private or not
- Snapshot of the build, not the currently equipped items
- On group play we MUST have a way to see the classes that the run was made with instead of just the names
- Quality of life improvement - easier way to access it (not only from one town) and vendors nearby. Also why does the retry button does not start a new run, but instead teleports you out and it's not next to the rock or whatever it is, but a few feet away (if you press close and leave dungeon it's right next to it for example).
Personal opinion - the chests are useless and there shouldn't be any items dropping even the keys - just remove that.
Man, everyone's talking about the nerf but my two favorite weapons got buffs: the punisher shotgun and flamethrower! I was loving and maining these before the patch, so now I'm just strolling around spreading the Emperor's Holy Fire and ganking bugs in the face 20 more times before I have to reload!
TLDR/boring: Is a dev a coder or the management of the coders? When using terms with gaming studios?
What does dev actually mean in the context of gaming. I'm an application dev.. we do what the customer wants. We, the devs, talk to the points of how new features/changes could affect other systems and to the added cost of time to the development.
Do the coders of a game, from a studio, have any say to changes in the game? A dev to me is a coder. I would think the best way a dev (coder) could communicate with their customers is taking in information and offering alternatives without adding any emotion into anything.
17:25 Cool suggestions but we are almost 4 seasons in with no core additions to the game. Just tweaks and QoL, only REAL thing they added was uber bosses that aren't even a challenge (worst thing they did was the uber uniques, just needs to be...uniques) oh and this gauntlet thing. Rest of what they added....theres still objectives even if they reduced the requirements in sigils, dungeons are the same boring narrow layouts w/ a few extra enemies, paragon board is just stat inflation, no new skills, no new branches to skills, no new dungeon bosses with mechanics, more microtransactions, more season passes and seasons that don't carry over into the game that already has very little to do. This all is because of the design choices and formula they put into their game.
Now they are adding Season 2 stuff into legendary aspects instead of melding them into the paragon board. We got an itemization rework coming, but almost 4 seasons in + preseason, what they have given as a "live service game" vs games like PoE that is "CORE"? Few uniques? Few Aspects? Balance tweaks? A kiss of QoL? Less Buggy Horse? So far these seasons have been a waste of their time and ours. Atleast every season in PoE we get new tools/environments/mechanics that have gone core to play with our characters beyond just more uniques/aspects, or adjustments to the game. They can keep adding bad mechanics to the game but class design is one of the more bigger and bland issues at this time next to itemization. And adding alittle more options isn't complicating the game to a "PoE PHD level". Especially if you look at Last Epoch, I'd take their system anyday over...2 passives this way or 2 passives that way for my "CORE SKILL", then put 5 points to max out the skill, DONE.
You hear a new season is coming out, but you are pretty much still playing a new character on repeat with a few uninspired twists and a grindy seasonal mechanic. Themes have been cool, executions have been poor. Add gauntlet to this list.
Wish I could thumbs up twice
I started playing D2 again after years and years, wow I’m enjoying playing
The biggest balancing mistake devs historically make is to over-shoot game balance. So there is some aspects where I understand when they pinpoint a nerf or a buff here, but not try to change too much at once. That usually, in the end, makes for a better balance approach, but may often not be the one with the best player reaction. Either way, hope things end up for the best, for everybody all around.
Have they nerfed chargers cause they were an absolute waste of time and ammo when I played last without a railgun or a constant upkeep of huge long CD stratagems...like idk how they intend us to reasonably work out how to deal with 3-4 chargers at all times on a higher difficulty while they are also faster and more frequent?
They fixed some spawn rates, but the charger itself, no. You’ll just have to kite and work together
A lot of game designers fall into this trap. The solution to "OP" items in games is NEVER NERF ANYTHING. Buff the bad items, leave the OP items as-is. If this throws the difficulty off wildly, buff the enemies. You see, the difficulty of the game doesn't need to stay static. Good weapons/gear/items make games fun. Nerfing them always, unequivocally, makes the game less fun. Buffing unused items gives new good stuff to players, making the game more fun.
2 caveats. First, over many years (10+), this can cause bloat. The solution to that is a stat squish. Second, the "buff only" approach requires more effort. Buffing 10 items is "harder" than nerfing 1. But you know what's harder than good game design????.... going bankrupt cause everyone stopped playing. gg.
I would fire that DEV no matter what he said ....He gave the community the example of his own personal agenda!.......unacceptable behavior! For any team member! But hey I play the game and It's amazing how far it has come since release thanx for the updates on all of those titles .....Be safe gamers!
Diablo 4 was such a strange experience for me. When I played the Beta, I thought they had hit gold, like D2 was! I still felt that way until I got to level 95 and then realized how bored out of my mind I was and realized that it was the dungeon and gear game template that they built the whole game around. -- I gave it a second chance in season 2, got to level 100, and I was right the first time -- every second felt like a choir. I don’t see how they can save a game that is designed in a way that is just fundamentally boring.
I'm sorry but the Helldivers team trolling players makes me want to get it now. Them apologizing less so
People forget, these devs have access to telemetry data. The vocal minority on reddit does NOT have anything to do with how most people are playing a game. Ive seen it from both ends. Community complains about something, yet in actuality, only 2% of players are even encountering it.
Not all games are for everyone, and harder difficulty levels are not something everyone should be able to handle without skills. Many of the complaints I've read have made me feel like 'this is a skill issue.' Believing that one should be able to master the hardest parts of a game without talent is astonishing. Get good at the game instead of complaining! I understand the developers.
Hated the direction Arrowhead took with Gauntlet: Slayer Edition 2014. Loved the story they presented prior to the release, but game was more linear staging than the maze tradition most of it's predecessors had. Instead of staying faithful to the franchise decided to put their own damn spin on it and it sucks cause no one wanted it or talked enough about it back then, but looking at how the game was already made the damage looked irreversible and is what it is. I enjoyed their Magicka series. Didn't know about Helldivers. I hear nothing but good about them through friends, clan mates for Helldivers 2. Will keep an eye out more on that game. 👍
People want to be able to abuse developers and expect them to eat shit with a smile. They need to learn how to communicate without attacking them.
As for the D4 Gauntlet, profiles need to be public, end of story. We need to make sure both the playerbase and the devs can see anything possibly shady going on and squash it immediately.
I agree top rankers should be bullied out of playing the game. (obviously sarcastic)
1; devs can see the full builds so dont worry about shenanigans going on
2; dont know if its the case but if its public other people can find them and and whisper them to ask questions about their build as you can only see gear and active skills.
3; if everything was displayed everyone would just copy that build and reign in a bunch more negitive impacts on the game
@@razorgimpy3519Number 3, people already know the top builds, i know people can have something they may have found out about a build, but with all the content creators making the most absurd builds, this isnt very likely.
I do not think the private profile is bad. If you can not do the gauntlet without looking what others do, then you should not do it at all.
I think all players skills used should be visible. But the gear should still be private if you want.
Showing the skills get a hint of the build used. Get it together is up to the player.
If all just do what others do, then i think the hole point of the leaderboard is not existing.
And of experience in other games inspect players can be a bad thing. Some will only party with those who have the best gear.
And i think it add a toxic community like in wow, where players get kicked if they do not have perfect gear, i have tried it many times in wow.
But how would you get the best gear if no one will party with you to do the content to get the gear to begin with.
I was happy private was a thing in diablo 4. So we do not get the thing where, i will not play with you because of your gear thing going on. Specially in a game with so bad gear as diablo 4. Getting kicked because you have bad rng is bad.
They need to do away with THE GAUNTLET like it is something new and amazing never ever seen before in a dungeon crawler video game.
10:28 there’s a difference between been a bit sassy in a good natured way and the acting like kids that most of the studio seemed to be doing.
I’m a grown up I try my best to act like I am this means that a lot of the time I don’t actually say what I’m thinking or feeling because doing so will only make a bad situation worse, on UA-cam I write about 3x the number of posts than I actually post, most of them I end up not posting because they won’t help anything and posting them will at the very least make someone mad that I don’t have to do, I’m no saint but I don’t have to spread misery just because I’m in a bad mood or angry, I have a hard time with anger management (I shout mostly but there has been some wall hitting I’m my past) but I’ve learned to control it and it’s not easy so if I can do thing then a normal person can do it too.
I’m quite fed up of people that are meant to be professionals acting like children were grown ups and we should act like it.
The D4 issue is that the item hung isn’t as compelling as it should be. Any of these modes is a band aid on a gushing wound. We’ll see if they deliver in S4. I’m not saying new modes aren’t welcome but the item ecosystem needs to be there first.
In Helldivers, I just went "oh ok, then i'll use something else". I have no idea why people are complaining about meta removal. if you can use whatever with equal use, I see nothing wrong in that.
For me the nerf isn't really an issue. The bugs etc. are thou. It isn't fun to receive yet another update that cripples the game.. had so many issues when they dropped the mechs i couldn't enjoy it really..
@6:55
Skill issue clearly comes to mind... the devs certainly need to learn how to effectively design, implement, architect (the base) and test their game.
The number of bugs and issues in the last few days really felt stupid after going through the launch.. .. it still isn't time to do balancing .. do fix your fricking (DB) implementation which still seems to act up, then, when people don't freeze up for 30+s on looting treasure, and rewards are handed out timely, you might think about balancing..
PS: There is this concept called "(public-/beta-) test-servers" where you can deploy stuff and invite dedicated players to test them, creating data and whatnot for you to analyze and fine tune your changes before delivering them to the rest of the world. I know it might be a new concept for some but that was at least in some distant past industry standard..
I tried it cause of your stream, and glad I did. I enjoy how easy it is you can group up and play with people. Something about playing with people is more fun.
Excellent comme toujours. Merci!
I will never not be astounded by the fact that despite knowing how obnoxious Nintendo is as a company and how shoddy their products are, year after year, people continue buying the same game about a jumping Italian plumber and keeping the pos that is Nintendo afloat.
imho the issue with the Helldivers 2 Patch was that it treated a symptom, not the cause of the issue. Usually when I play games, I'll not discover the meta on my own. I'll play some shit that is fun to me while making really bad mistakes and I'll later be educated after actually informing myself, it's never been different. When I pick up a weapon or character in games and I think like wow this is really op, it pretty much always ends up mid while some stuff that I never would have expected ends up in the meta. However, in this game, all of the above, the Breaker shotgun, the Railgun and the Shield found their way to becoming items that I most commonly use. I never looked up any streams, metaplay or any of the sort. So that got me thinking, if a knucklehead like me stumbles upon the most meta items and deems them really essential - how glaring must the core issue of the game be? Armor was bugged out of its mind and even after being fixed, it still feels like paper. You got 1-shot by even the tiny bugs so using a shield felt like the right thing to do. Now you get 1-shot even through the shield, so between being 1-shot and being 1-shot but having 1 less equipment slot, the shield is now history. The breaker gun got a mild nerf, more spread, less ammo. It's still the same as before in my book but it's got less range. Makes sense, it's a shotgun. It was surprising how far that thing went to begin with. The Railgun? Well, people started sacrificing one of their equipment slots with one single enemy in mind: the charger. The devs now nerfed the railgun because it deals with a charger too quickly. The thing they didn't think through is, there aren't 1 or 2 of those beasts on higher difficulties. There might be up to 8-12. You may think, well, for that instance we got weapons like the Expendable ANTI-TANK rocket launcher. Single use but powerful enough to take out out surely, right? Well, not exactly. You get 2 of those and you will need 2 of those for a single one.
The mistake this patch made was that they nerfed these items without providing alternatives. The game now feels...worse. You will see even more isolated loadouts than before. Before, some people took AoE dealing measures, other took the strong single target railgun. Now you'll probably see a more one-sided split than before with 3-4 people running the same weapon to deal with the same issue.
I don't even care much about how the devs reacted. They are just people. And obviously they are people without any PR training or team, which is probably a flaw in their team that they are addressing right now. Some of those sentences should have never made it to social media. Players are assholes at times like these but that doesn't mean devs should steep that low.
Parents bring up toxic children with no respect for other human beings and without family values, so what is expected when it comes to gaming. Behaving like children and trolling them is not acceptable.
I always felt they dropped the ball on D4 stronghold's. You could do some cool hoard defense after you have captured them or something. The platform is there, hopefully they can get some creative juices going for things like that!
I had not sold any arena keys and so far have had no issue buying stash tabs...
Helldivers needs more weapons to deal w/ difficulty 7 & up. I'd love to see the devs play 7 & up.
I'm not particularly good at the game and I've played Helldive difficulty. It's tough, but not impossible.
Team load-out and communication is key.
@@martinatzejensen6787 i've been living at 7 for like 2 weeks now. After the initial shock you get acclimated to the hordes. But i wanna see the devs do it if they're gonna talk like that. 🤔 maybe I AM the noob, idk 🤷♂️
@@doctortraumacockThey aren't a big corporate entity just pumping out crap. There's a good chance they play their own games. Also they are still balancing the game. It's still new by all accounts.
I think they can beat it with ez
No you just need to 'get gud noob'.
Helldivers 2 devs assume everyone playing their game runs a tight 4 man team consisting of their irl friends. Playing with randoms, if you have "op" loadout, you'll still get wiped. I wonder if they just want to make it harder for players to grind for things, so their engagement numbers are up. Good luck with that.
I do think things like recoilless and expendable rockets at least should 1 or 2 shot chargers depending on where they're shot
I also remember when a For Honor dev kind of said the same exact kinds of things XD
After the patch, it appears they've buffed enemy spawn rates to the point where they will literally materialize right on top of you when all your cooldowns are down, and the large amount of replies to these complaints is "lol git gud"
Let's be clear about the HD2 situation. The primary issue is that the Dev's actioned on a design philosophy that was completely out of sync with how they actually designed their game. It felt like a gut punch because up until that patch the focused seemed to be entirely on Difficulty + Fun being the focus. Many have the opinion that the Developers of the game are not even playing their own game, nor have they gone above difficulty 6 in any real capacity. This is such a strong sentiment in the community now that you'll find quite a few comments asking the Devs to livestream a 4-man dev-team only game of them playing 7, 8, and 9 difficulties live on stream to prove they actually know what's going on in their own game.
It reeks of bad direction that is completely counter to what made HD2 such a bombshell success. People get REALLY passionate when a new potentially golden-goose game comes along that is then "ruined" by the devs themselves not understand what sparked their success.
Armor also wasn't "fixed" but broken even further. All armor pre-patch essentially had 100 armor. Once the values themselves started "working as expected" Light armor became squishier, Medium armor didn't really change too much, and Heavy Armor is still worthless. Incidentally, people are claiming that Helmet armor is always 100, and hits against your head are ALWAYS critical hits crunching 40%++ of your hp away in one swipe/shot. Overall, the Armor "fix" has been seen as a complete negative and a "nerf" in and of itself against player survivability.
Lastly, you start adding in the "stealth" hidden changes that appear to have been added to the game with every patch most notably with the "Balance" patch as of late. The devs themselves admitting to not adding quite a lot of changes, but they had no real reason they could give as to why those changes didn't make it into the patch notes.
Overall, lots of emotions flying around over what has been perceiving as a life raft floating in a sea of corporate carnage as of late in the gaming industry. Their Devs working on HD2 just seem to not have the experience needed for how popular the game actually became.
Sure, there's been some bad eggs ruining the pot for everyone else, however a LOT of the criticism has been warranted from the community towards the Devs. They really do need to do better imo. 🤔
Why dont devs just tell it how it is, "we nerfed the weapons cause ya'll are breaking the game to fast, if we don't nerf ya'll be gone to another game in a week"
For SBI and Kim Belair and Legobutts and all of their ilk. Let's focus on making these DEI companies obsolete. Don't purchase anything that these companies have touched.
Correct me if I’m wrong but, don’t enemies with heavier armor in HD2 have weak points you can aim for to bypass that armor?
Which makes the people who bitch about the nerfs a text book case of a skill issue
The dev shouldn’t have said it due to it being unprofessional…but more people should probably be told that about nerfs
I'm enjoying listening to people talk about Helldivers 2 more than I enjoyed playing Diablo 4...
Here's the problem with the weapons in HD2: Theyre all dog shit now and the difficulty is higher. Where ammo is so limited, if it takes me 4 bullets to kill 1 light armored trash mob and I have 6 chargers on me and not even a 500 kg bomb will kill them all in one shot, what do you want me to do? I keep finding myself out of resources, while constantly on the run without a breather, dealing with bug breach after bug breach or dropship after dropship.
That honestly sounds really awesome, at least if it's optional. Sadly I'm still having too much fun with DRG atm but HD2 is constantly climbing in my wishlist.
Sounds like a skill issue bud. I’m having no issues cause I’m not expecting what they consider a medium armor round to drop a tank anymore. Bring a speer antitank weapon and it will pop the head off a Bile titan in one shot. Match the weapons to the work. Not the other way around.
yes this is the run more patch
The Arc Thrower is very good, even at Helldiver difficulty.
I hardly ever even reach for my primary weap anymore unless you have some hunters right in your face.
The biggest change gameplay wise thats happened due to the Railgun nerf is its now much harder to run off solo at high tier difficulties since you cant just insta gib everyone by your self.
This is a good change, its a squad based game, learn to play as a team, even if its with randoms!
@@David_randomnumber it "sounds" awesome, but in practice it becomes a dog-water experience of just running constantly and never actually being able to fight back. They had a solid balance before even all the way up to diff 9. All they had to do was buff other weapons to be "useful" or on-par with the ones they yoinked out from under us. :(
Is Helldivers even playable now or is matchmaking still non-functional?
Pretty weird that the most hype product of the year is non functional and essentially a 0/10... is the top guide on a Steam still how to try and play solo?
Great if it's fixed, but I am astounded by how a technically broken product can still get so much praise in this day and age. Don't really have to look far to see why gaming is in the shitter.
To be clear, I don't trust players OR developers when it comes to forum drama. Players - enough said, everyone understands how certain sections of certain communities will respond with death threats the moment anything happens that makes them feel even slightly less godly. Developers - frequently capable of phenomenal arrogance, or giggly dorks who specifically engineer their games to require particularly weird and unfun playstyles to beat the game, supposedly in the name of 'difficulty'. (Or don't even do that much work, they just throw a bunch of abilities and a bunch of numbers into a blender and hope for the best while they go back to playing Civ 6.)
So developers trolling players for 'not playing right' when people are literally just there to have fun, and were previously doing that, that really could go either way, for sure. And I don't wanna tell Rhykker how to do a job he's already obviously incredible at, but also, just perhaps this is one of the few communities anywhere that actually could stand to hear some specific numbers (i.e, the sheer scale of the nerfs involved) in a story, but genuinely kinda leans into this stuff.
(Also why are shotguns in any game such a terrible binary of broken mechanics, they're either the god-tier weapon for nearly any situation or utter junk. Especially weird when you consider their real-life versatility of the basic idea, ranging from 'guaranteeing you win the very close range fight' all the way to 'shoot birds when they're in the air', but like, also NOT something that tends to see a whole of interest from your average professional soldier?)
the gauntlet is just another form of a greater rift and its sad that the devs can't come up with something entirely new
It's not even a form of greater rifts. At least those had levels, rng, progressive difficulty and rewards at the end. This is just running in a small loop for 8 minutes so you get a couple caches at the end of the week for a couple pieces gear you can't use.
Big respect to the HD2 devs 🤣.
I think an endgame that D4 could utilize relatively easily would be an endless dungeon. A leaderboard is a perfect fit for something like this too. You could track how far you get into the dungeon, and compete for the deepest level with other players. I don't know of any endgame concept that matches this one for potential replayability either, since the levels could be made completely random, and there could be bosses on levels that give out loot relative to the level you as the player are on.
So rifts....
@@LestatTVPickle Rifts had a cap. And honestly, I didn't like the rigidly-structured format. I envision something similar in the sense that there are areas you must clear, and bosses that you MAY encounter(but may not), and an endless number of levels to challenge yourself. Have almost every part of these areas randomized, boss spawns/types included.
You could even have it set to, on some random levels, just provide you a chest with lots of loot instead of fighting a boss. The possibilities are endless, as would be the progression. Could have a leaderboard for that too...
@@tlee656 they were literally different levels each time, with roaming elites. A cap isn't a bad thing, was in 3 as there was no cap to paragon, but in 4 there is. You directly described rifts from 3 in your original post, but then someone called it what it was, and you changed it around. Sounds like you won't be happy until you make a game yourself.
@@phyxion123 Everyone keeps saying that, but that's not quite what I mean. Greater Rifts had a MAXIMUM level of 150, that you could NOT go beyond.
I'm talking about a truly ENDLESS dungeon, with loot that scales to that level's difficulty. Perhaps, if the scaling is too drastic, there could be a gear set just for pushing these dungeons, only to be used for the purposes of doing these runs.
Is it really a new concept? No, but I don't hear any other real good ideas for an endgame that allows our characters to feel that sense of progression that we are looking for.
D4's poorly-implemented leaderboard UX is so painfully consistent... such a disappointment.
And with losers exploiting and snapshotting, the leaderboards don’t mean a damn thing.
I agree with Rhykkers remarks on how rail-gun felt like a reliable tool, and they should of addressed why* people feel reliant on that stratagem rather then just make it a less reliable option.
They also could go lighter on nerfs to not make it feel too dramatic.
I'm enjoying the flamethrower, though I'm currently on 7 of 9 difficulty level with my friends; hardly play solo with pugs on this game.
Loving Last Epoch man such a fun game.
I'm in the same boat on the Gauntlet, will probably do it once a week like I used to do D3 challenge rifts and am glad it's in the game but rarely will play a ton of it.
I have a few other issues with the leaderboard though. If I want to see what the threshold is for getting on it the only way seems to be clicking 99 times to see the last page...which is an awful system (assuming I'm not just missing something). Next I tried the filters which was showing nothing...which I found odd since I didn't try it until Saturday. Turns out, they just were working EXTREMELY inconsistently, where "all platforms friends normal barb" would show nothing often...but sometimes show 2 of my friends and I...and sometimes show a 3rd friend only. The clan filter also worked very inconsistently. These weren't recent clears that just hadn't posted yet, many were from 4 days ago by that point. Gameplay was more enjoyable than I thought, but the leaderboards were so much worse than I thought they could be.
First UA-camr I have seen to give a balanced take of the railgun nerf. They should have buffed other weapons first, then nerfed. Also, he has a good take on the dev backlash. Subbed.
they buffed loads more weapons than they nerfed
What we saw from Helldivers is the same exact thing that we saw from D4's pre-season 1 patch. People do NOT like having the first patch they get be full of nerfs without good buffs to counteract it.
Flamethrower has gotten some love, but I'm not seeing a lot of people praising the Laser Cannon buffs, for example. It's all been problems with way too many heavy armored targets and not enough tools to deal with them.
@@NickHunterNot really. Nerfed Shield generator: buffed orbital barrages. They stuff suck…that’s 1 for 1 strat.
Nerfed Breaker and rail gun: buffed Flamethrower, laser cannon and Punisher. That’s 2 v 3 weapons. They buffed one more weapon than they nerfed. Flame thrower is pretty good. Laser cannon still lackluster Vs armor.
Breaker S&P got both nerf and buff.
What got nerfed is not on par with what got buffed, one was a tool against armor. That’s like taking away your military’s artillery and telling them it’s okay because we got you new pistols.
Thank you! Interesting topics and content.
It's dope when people refer to a few screeching chodes on Reddit as "The Community" of any game.
Let that dev show us how to play on Helldive, if he said thing about skill issue. I'm pretty sure he is not nearly as good as some of the players.
I like the fact that, you marked the helldivers news portion in the time stamp. I give zero crap about that game. Don't know whats so exciting about a fps cod clone. And thanks for the other relevant news.
I'd rather have to farm and get my 500k for my next stash tab in game rather than have to use real money to buy said stash tabs.
Gamers these days expect every game should be fairly easy to clear. I like devs that want to present a challenge to their players. Mocking the players is probably a mistake but the players crying like babies is just as frustrating.
Sure they can do this but they need to be cognizant of the fun/ power fantasy vs that quest for balance…. Where balance can lead to a game that becomes boring af.
11:00 I agree. Dev's shouldn't say they are devs on these forums and just troll them back like the rest of us with 0 repercussions on what we say to them, or how we treat them. /s
"When people show you who they are, believe them the first time"
I feel I will give the company a second chance. I enjoy the game and the CEO publicly corrected and apologized for the rouge dev’s unacceptable behaviour. I for one will overlook the last couple of days and disregard “what they showed me the first time”.
Gotta love it when game devs decide nerfs and buffs based on usage stats without considering how or why something is used over something else, makes it seem like they don't play their own game.
Devs are trying to be funny as the big boss.. Didnt work out too well :)
Gauntlet have so many issues I dont even know where to start. First of all there is no item incentive to even do it, you would need to at least get same rewards as normal T70 NM dungeon after finishing it rift style with loot explosion at the end. Second we need snapshot of build that was used to finish the gauntlent. Not a profile view. ppl change builds. Third problem is some classes need massive time consuming and hard to revers from memory build changes to even have a remote sense in participating in this mode. Without an Armory where we can easily switch builds and gear this feature is just for streamers. For example if you play niche build or minion build there is not even any point of trying the gauntlet. And thats just few issues from the top of my head.
ah the classic : "all our weapons should suck the same" approach
Honestly I agree with 99% of the helldivers nerfs, though I wish the railgun wasn't quite so nerfed. It's still my go to with the bots though, and it did push me to trying the laser cannon, which isn't all that bad now, and the arc rifle, which is absolutely delightful against the bugs
the horrifying part of the yuzu thing is that Nintendo got all the poeples info for all all who used it they could go after individuals
Yeah how dare they go after ppl who steal the game and leak shit over a week before it came out
@@Brat2513 how dare people destroy a helpless multi billion dollar company