LA River Project Update 2022
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Update on the Los Angeles River Ecosystem Restoration Project, a partnership between the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Los Angeles District and the City of Los Angeles, that includes a look at existing conditions and project renderings of planned features along the river.
I think the restoration of this river, especially the 11 miles within the city, is a worthwhile investment. Green spaces are vital for wildlife and for community wellness.
Yes! Cannot wait for them to free the river from it's concrete tomb!
Restoring the river with good design and forethought will benefit both humans and wildlife and also help with cooler spaces during heatwaves 💚
Can't lie, I love a good soft-bottom trapezoidal channel
Not as nice as concrete lined trapezoidal channel with it's soft bottom a little down steam. 🤤
i cant like this comment enough
I think I've seen that video.
Before you hippies slip off your birkenstocks and get in bed with ACE, do yourself a favor and remember these are the SAME politicos, NOT ENGINEERS, that gave NOLA their Mississippi River management and flood plan. I'm sure ACE has a handful of smart people but it's the fed. The fed can't get out of their own way, think Katrina 2005. Your left coast has enough problems as it is, do NOT let the fed drive your train. I disagree with most of Cali's politics, but the federal government cannot and will not help your situation
@@avnsteve1 honestly tired of government involvement in everything. and the politicization of literally everything. and the amount of extremely under qualified people working important jobs
Makes me very happy to see and hear of this plan. I would donate the little I have to this project. Good job city engineers on this one.
This will make our city much more enjoyable for everyone.
I grew up a block from the LA river and was ten before I found out not all rivers are concrete-lined!
The background music is annoying making it harder to focus on the talking points. 🤨
Can’t wait for this environmental update!
How long before they realize that concreting the river like this is making the drought conditions worse?
LA (and most California) politicians are so clueless. The way they treat water adds to:
Wildfire problems; infrastructure costs; brownouts/blackouts (because electricity used for pumping water for irrigation in communities); cost of living; air and water pollution; etc
They need to degulate regarding rainwater harvesting. Capturing rainwater to wear it falls needs to become a thing. Some easy ways is to utilize rainwater that comes off of roofs and streets for landscaping purposes instead of diverting it immediately to stormdrains. Raingardens, bioswales, gully repair, bunds, checkdams, etc from onsite materials would serve many purposes including resilience for most of So Cal.
I think a lot of people realize that, but just removing the concrete could cause a lot of issues. It would be a huge engineering feat to restore the river and also avoid flooding and unpredictable ground water movements
@@Affirmbuttress Though I wonder if they could not entirely remove, but reduce the concrete and essentially install a buttress system, (perhaps using some of the in place concrete at the framing).
they are already making it less conctrete.
Watch the f***ing video…
I wonder whether the concrete "floor" of the channel is removed during this renaturalisation project and thus connection of river and water tables is at least somehow restored, or whether they just create "natural river" in that channel.
They are restoring the concrete bottom as I understand it to allow for better absorption of water during floods, they mention the "soft bottom" of the river and I imagine that's what they mean
It's interesting because the concrete look is iconic now for LA.
The giant ants won't like it at all.
iconic yes, good no
@@tylerwatanabe-noguera2092yeah less 'iconic' more infamous
They did this throughout the area back then. The creek behind our house was cemented in (1965) and it completely changing the eco system. The only upside to it all was it also created "highways" for us kids to ride. Bikes, horses, etc. Many times we rode our horses down to the beach or up to the mountains via the trails along the various creeks and rivers. Today, there are homeless camps scattered along the levees. Which is really sad to see. On so many levels.
There are interesting statistics showing that as trees are removed from a region, crime goes up.
And
Vice versa.
@@veramae4098 that's interesting! I definitely can believe that.
40% of all homeless in the United States are located in California!
@@LK-pc4sq it's the weather. Makes being without a place to call home much easier to survive.
@@veramae4098 When a father stays with his kids and wife, crime goes down. There's a bunch of trees in South Central, probably more trees, and larger trees, than before urban flight and President Johnson's "Great Society".
Now they just need to restore 6 lane stroads back into walkable urban streets. For the people and bussines to grow once again.
Being from L.A., this is wonderful to see!! Hope they remove the concrete on all of the LA rivers, plant trees and bushes and do a mass tree planting effort in the city.
They need to 'plant the water' first, otherwise they are causing more problems. Diverting street and roof runoff to bioswales and raingardens would help lessen the need to keep all the concrete as it is. It has a bunch of other positives as well, as I've discussed elsewhere in the commentary.
Until it floods.
Nope. Flood control comes first.
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LA is NOT hyper urban at all. ALL of it's problems stem from it being a car-centric suburb. Also, the LA river is manmade: It's simply a result of bad planning from the beginning.
The LA river is definetely a result of bad planning from the beginning but there was definetely a river there before it was settled that was then made into what it is today
I guess you could considere todays river a completely different river but it took the place of natural LA river at least
Forget about getting LATC from Union Pacific. That's a key intermodal facility for them.
The way top deal with flooding is to slow the water upstream, not to speed it up downstream. hundreds of thousands of beavers use to provide this function in California, but they are almost completely wiped out, and it is illegal to release a beaver into the wild in the state. There also used to be a huge lake in southern California, but it was drained to make a desert.
Throw some beavers in there once the restoration is complete...we could retain a lot of the water that we let run off into the ocean during flood events.
Any timeline on when construction will start? I remember hearing about this project a few years ago.
Still paying off politicians.
@Paul Zed … and landowners.
There is another video in the suggestions that's from 12 years ago, so I guess, next century.
It has started some time ago. It is a long term project. If you go towards the outlet south of the 405 and north of Dodger Stadium it really looks like a river. It is easier to put the concrete in than it is to take it out
Doesn't seem that great to be honest but there's not much you can do when people live so closely together.
Thanks Army Corps of Engineers for all your wonderful work.
I used to play in that river back in the '60s. I lived on San Carlos St. in Paramount.
Green space! Trees. We have that in Dallas Tx. Bike trails.
Lucky. 😤
Roosevelt would've been proud.
"Changed paradise, put up a parking lot"
Said no one about LA ever, boomer.
@@abark didn't have to say DID! DUH 🙄🤔
Eric Underwood Class of 81 Downey High school CA ✌️
Last of the Boomers!
great job guys, now execute the plan
im all for this
I bet you are I bet you're stupid enough to be for destroying our energy independence the independence in our economy.... Nothing you won't destroy because trump
thank you for doing this
I dont undersand how could angelenos lead the water management to this state. South california is subtropic area. Miles of concrete, asphalt and buildings everywhere nearby the river and also concrete bottom of river. Almost no riaparian zones. No place for beavers.
If the city sufers occasional floods, the first solution is to collect water in the upper flows in he hills. Are there some swales, contour trenches, or bunds in the mountains above LA ?
Next building some river side channels with polders in the riparian zone.
In my opinion the whole LA metropolitan area also need several hundreds of hectare or more large ponds too with parks.
And people should harvest rain water from building and parking places.
So glad to see you feel as I do. WHERE is the sensible water management??? A huge part of the problem is zoning, land use rules, etc. They need to connect with their inner Brad Lancaster.
Instead they are constantly experiencing floods, droughts, heat waves etc, infrastructure strain, air and water pollution, wildfires, etc and then they have these behemoth concrete channels that only add to their overall problems.
They need to utilize rainwater from roofs, and street runoff diverted to bioswales and raingardens via curbcuts and curbbores. These are additional strategies can add resiliency in a city with a very high cost of living...
Actually it's a Mediterranean climate not sub tropical which makes water retention management all the more important. Every time the smart people want to build more rain water catchments for the drouts which we know California never have, the radical greenies who only live in the moment nip that in the bud. Naturalizing the river back is a nice thing so long as it's all done on California's dime not the rest f the countries tax money; but if they aren't careful and carry the radical greenie agends too far as they always seem to do, they will end up with the same bad flooding once again that resulted in the concrete channel being built to begin with.
Big Tujunga Wash brings down TONS of sediment. That will not stop. Lakeview Terrace, anyone? More like Gravel Pit Vista.
@@Losttoanyreason It is more precise. I am from middle europe and we have similar flood problems especially from summer storms even if the country soil and forests are dry. The special rain water catchments are very important here too. The climate here changed quite enough compared to period 30-40 years ago.
that sounded so fluffy!
Corporate wanted me to find the difference between the two ferraro fields pictures, but it turns out there is none. It is a nice initiative though, Id like it if it were to remove the concrete.
Ridiculous how the bike and walking path upgrades along almost the entire length of the river have been ignored by these producers. Except for a section from the downtown train yards to Atlantic Avenue, one can ride without any traffic interference from the San Fernando Valley to Long Beach. 50 miles! Where else in a US major urban area can that be done?
Best start STORING that water somehow...FRESH water dumped into the ocean.
Better tenting grounds for the homeless!
Interesting and 👍.
Folks ever consider that since the start of the paving over the natural area for people that it caused the current state of droughts that occur in the area? Maybe there is a reason for the flood plains that have been altered for the city to grow.
All those trees and bushes are going to get washed away in the next major downpour, what are these engineers thinking? Look at the history and why the channel was concreted.
was thinking the same thing.
concreting the channel is THEE WORST THING YOU CAN DO FOR FLOOD WATERS. LOL
California is in the mess they're in DUE TO THE WAY THEY CONTROL THEIR STATE.
Concreting a river is bad for ground water. In every few KM there should be natural wetlands ponds and natural stone river path.
They should figure a way to divert any fresh water from this river back to a reservoir for reuse.
We did recollect a lot of water during the recent storm. Thanks for your comment.
Will this slow down the removal of bodies, via the river, to Long Beach?
Lmao
Don't forget the stolen cars that get thrown in there.
@@xray606 Don’t forget about homeless 💩
I always thought it was an open sewer for street runoff. Did not realize it was a natural river when I visited.
Bravo
I wonder how floods will affect the soft bottom and tree plantings. Seems a lot of work will get washed away.
Can we have a map of the river with listings of each movie filmed in it?
Huell Howser did a very interesting video about the LA river years ago. Check it out. 😉
But with this change to the river where the radioactive giant ants be able to live?
Save THEM.
why does the bike path abruptly end in Vernon? I want to be able to bike from Long Beach all the way to Griffith Park using the LA River, but they refuse to make a connection point in Vernon/Boyle Heights and Downtown LA
I have lived in the Los Angeles area and have seen the River filled almost to the top. It’s gonna happen again.
and who fault is it, that we built to close to a river..then put in a concrete channel?
The concrete makes flooding worse; the water has nowhere to soak in
Yep, a real flood will move all this planning into the ocean. Didn't they see the pictures they posted at the top of the video?
How can you call that a river?
Shhhhhh.... Don't ruin their little fantasy.
It will be a great place for the crazies and junkies to camp out at.
Make sure to include bike paths.
Kind of an Icon, and a tourist destination you're ruining.
they should include how many homeless camps will pop their tents there on that mock model...
I am still amazed that all of the water goes to the ocean. If only you could build another reservoir or two to collect what rain water does flow through it. By now, every one knows that there is a lack of water in the area.
Yes, I feel the same. But it would need to be incredibly purified to turn back into drinking water of any acceptable quality.
Las Vegas recycles most of its water so it’s easily doable.
Even back when it was a natural river, the LA river was dry for a significant percentage of the year. Most of the water that flows down the channel today is recycled water from industry and runoff from streets (sprinkler run-off, etc)--not water from the mountains. But I agree that whatever water finally reaches the ocean should be harvested, cleaned, and used or re-used in the city to make the most of it instead of letting it go to the ocean.
@@abbyhillman769 LA gets 14 inches of rain a year, usually from from December to March. That's still a lot of water that could be used when collected from miles of rooftops and parking lots.
@@abbyhillman769 At least the water that goes through the wetlands here should get cleaned up, get back to the water cycle more effectively
Why would they destroy a busy railroad yard just to build a forest.
Because the Union Pacific Railroad quite frankly doesn't care about the property anymore- and I don't blame em especially with high container thefts in that area.
Union Pacific has already begun the process of moving everything over to other rail yards especially in the beginning of the year. The UP was already considering selling this property last year in response to the cargo thefts in the area, so if the City is paying them to leave, you better believe they'll take it- and I don't blame em.
Tear up the ugly freeway and make the River a state park.
Lived in LA for 31 years.... Never understood why the CONCRETE rivers were never used as additional freeway lanes. Use gates at entrances when rain was forecasted.....close it off. No big trucks just autos. Or use as carpool lanes. There must be some reason why.
Restore restore restore now
Hello for more updates about the LA River project please join us for a public meeting Feb. 8 at 5pm.
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Some parts of the channel reverted to nature all by themselves. What we need now are more reservoirs.
Restore with endemic plants
A new homeless mecca!
That's nice but do not put any golf courses along the rivers course
The Mississippi River has dried up. CA and AZ cant pipeline that water out west.
This homeless camp site will be perfect.
Watch them make in only in the nice areas
Damn gurl, you go bringin' that soft-bottom trapezoidal channel...
sounds nice, will be full of hobo camps anyways
million dollar question.... how will we keep it from getting full of trash? A river in the middle of LA? A magnet for pollution..
Better engineers have more than concrete and steel in their toolbox. The concrete and steel channels caused many more problems than it solved.
You need simplify laws and deregulate related bureaucracy and fees so that curbcuts, curbbores, bioswales and raingardens are used in a big way. That is an important part of water management strategy as well as beautification, crime reduction, lessening drought, heat wave, and flooding impacts, adding walkabolity/bikability, etc.
Simplify laws and deregulate bureaucracy in California..? That is like asking water to be dry, or grass to turn red
@@TreeGod.
That's why Cali has soon many problems. There is never a way to micromanage the little people that they dislike.
Californians need to vote centrist, instead of nazi-like socialism. I say nazi-like because their current Leftist leadership is strongly aligned with big business, just like under Hitler.
@@TreeGod.
Cali voters need to vote populist-centrist to lighten the regulatory load.
They've keep opting for industrial-aligned fascists. The only difference is that politicians bow to mega corporate conglomerate dictates. This occurs instead of politicians acting on behalf of all.
Good , you have the river, now you just need to figure a way to push the entire city in & let it wash out to sea
ngl the revamping of the sides is good and all but leaving the river itself looking like garbage is not great. at least add some more islands or wetland cover
It pains Gary Lee Moore when people don't get to experience nature geez Gary how much are you making how many kickbacks are you gonna get from this... Come on Gary you don't care about anything but yourself
i remember falling on that concrete multiple times
Brilliant. Press on!
I don’t mean to sound negative but Most of the things the Corp of Engineers touch Fails. Marble Falls Tx pre ‘91, Canyon Lake, Buffalo Bayou during ALL Hurricanes Maybe they should rethink the math. It’s ALL about #’s
What river, there’s no water
Why the horrible music overlay. I can't go on watching.
Wait, I just realized that interstates go up in number as they go east.
All I know is that is the best race track to grind out for your max transmission level and unlocking the turbo
Pretty sure We could spend this money on Alot better things. This river is the least of Calis problems.
This will make for some very different movie scenes, compared to previous appearances.
So we fucked up let's fix this shit b4 it gets worse
You bastards will never get away with it!! Oh wait, it's not a conspiracy video, it's the Core of Engineers. LOL
It's a flood control
Wait until it rains again like it did in 1969. All the money wasted here will be washed out to the local oceans polluting them. Those who forget the past are hideously condemned to relive it 😵💫
Isn’t it still one of the most toxic water sources that exist tho? Like it’s literally human waste.
excited!
Two perpetual problems; keeping people out of the river during high, fast waster periods, and culling the soft bottom growth to maintain the designed flow (capacity).
The LA District, USACE has an excellent track record with the various challenges surrounding this flood control entity. 👍
Your looking at the problems/solutions at the wrong location. LA and So Cal has a dryness problem that contributes to flooding, wildfires, brownouts/blackouts, heat wave and drought fragility, high cost of living, etc that is exacerbated by traditional engineering's addiction to concrete and ditches. It is also harmed by bad regulations, zoning requirements, and politicians.
Engineers and building planning departments need to go back to school and learn newer, better techniques that do smaller, frequent rainwater harvesting catchments using onsite materials instead of megalithic structures. Nearly every yard could have them, along with planting strips, parking lot landscaping, road areas that are disallowed for travel such as raised 'pork chops,' etc. There are lots of areas that are opportunities for regreening, adding beauty, rehydrating the landscape, mitigating wildfire etc.
Decentralizing water management should be a thing.
Green is nice but the primary purpose cannot be compromised. Flood control is everything.
@@encinobalboa if you live to close to a river and ir floods.. who fault is it? the river... that has a long history there..or the people, that built there homes on a flood plain?
@@randellgribben9772 You are not making sense. The purpose of the concrete river way is to control floods to enable people to live in L.A. The flood of 1938 devastated L.A. far and wide. With the flood control measures in place, the flood of 2005 which had greater water flow rate did minimal to no damage.
@@randellgribben9772 Might as well ask everyone who lives in a hurricane, earthquake, volcano, tsunami, tornado, extreme weather/terrain zone the same thing. But I bet you live in one of them.
is the LA river vaccinated and quad-boosted?
Population needs to be in balance with jobs, resources, nature and the environment. Having a bigger population in any country than the country can support makes no sense. Access to food, water, shelter, energy and jobs should guide population levels. The worlds population is still expected to add another billion people to feed, clothe and produce pollution. Humans are crowding out all other species of plants and animals. Education and birth control are key to reducing poverty and hunger. Having a child that you can not provide for yourself is cruel and irresponsible. We need solutions not just sympathy. Endless population growth is not sustainable on a finite planet. Every country needs to "TRY" to be more self sufficient. When there are not enough resources to sustain a population something has to give. Countries need to focus on quality of life for their citizens and not just quantity of life for cheap labor. Why import fossil fuels when wind and solar energy can be produced locally and solar energy can power electric vehicles. We need solutions not just sympathy.
Stupid idea. That so called 'concrete' river is the identity of LA. How many legendary movies have had their iconic scenes there, why are idiots trying to erase that? Work on cleaning the 'concrete' rather than changing it. Every city has its own charm that we love it for. LA is not Singapore.
Yeah! Let's spend billions in restoring the LA river but let's keep all the homeless and drug addicts living in tents and shitting in the streets. Makes perfect sense to me!
First fix the homeless problem because houses and rent are too expansive in LA so instead putting money to fix a river help that people who don’t have a house to live
Giant ants won't like this much. 😮
These "before" pictures were taken years ago. Much of this plan has been executed.
493 subscribers :-D wow. just out of curiosity, - why instead of those projects LA won't do something good about traffic?
LA and OC area are not walkable, the entire area was designed for cars.
@@licitdeviant317 still they can have public transit to get from one location to another. But you are probably right, - nuclear war will help LA to change the city 😀
Now if you can just address the homelessness problem. Also why not divert this river water to storage facilities so that it can be used to supply some of LA’s water needs?!!
If only you can keep the furniture out of it.
How is there water in it?
Flushing toilets
@@guineapigzed many more sources of water, mate.. perhaps.....learning about this before you post... you dont want everyone to know, that you are a fool, right?
@@randellgribben9772 check out lake Balboa
@@guineapigzed i live in sacramento... the sacramento riiver from reading to rio vista... there are 4 large citys that use the water.. and a dozen citys on the feather river.. yuba river.. and other smaller citys that use the same water... did you see the... that word??? "USE" the same water that is treated sent down the river and used again,, treated, put back in the river and used again..... so what is your point
This river is too confined by concrete and industry. Rivers need floodplains. It’s too late to do anything with it. The Corps of Engineers destroyed the river in my city as well.
Stop sending water to the ocean, stop our drought!