That pales into comparison to how fast Broly Got Lowballing Broly got trillions of times stronger than he was at the start of a fight , I don't even think Hulk could keep up with Absurd growth like that
Apparently Frieza and his dad were a rare mutation that made them stronger than normal so for the average saiyans they have more potential than the average Frieza’s lizard race I think
Toriyama be like: Give Gohan more power, how you say? Let's try with making him get really angry, we haven't done that before right? I can't remember, so anyways, make him reaaaaally angry so he can break all the limits.
I say the potential for techniques are also equal as busted as sayians I mean there are techniques that allow people to teleport by entering a dimension Create a indestructible material out of thin air Etc etc Like the amount techniques in dragons ball that if expand on could be unbelievable broken is absurd
It is funny how the best way to beat these beings, who rival GoD's, is by blowing up whatever planet they live on, a feat that even a weakened base Vegeta could accomplish in the Saiyan Saga.
Yeah, you'd think that achieving God Ki would grant them the ability to survive space. In fact, even ordinary Ki should've been used to sustain themselves in space, I mean, look at DBZ Broly 😑
This is why I believe that saiyans should have rock bottom training potential and either need to train constantly or rely on transformations/zenkais. I’d give every race zenkais and specifically humans high potential so they’re still on par with the saiyans. Goku has to be training constantly to always stay ahead while the humans can keep their normal lives. As for broly, I’d just give him the simple nerf that his power resets after every time he hulks out. If he starts at a 5 and grows to a 500 in a fight, once it’s over he’s back to a 5. He still needs to train to get that base number up meaning he matches his opponent quicker, but broly isn’t just max op. Same with gohan, no plot convenience rage boost. Gohan has to work just like everyone else but his power is balanced by his lack of fighting spirit and refusal to use ssj.
Because the writer kept adding transformations after transformations even though saiyans were already overpowered even before dbz. They basically suffered from the Uchiha treatment.
Eh, I feel like Saiyan fast growth rate was retcon'd. Saiyans just adapt to battle faster and get more from training. The only time a boost that big happened when Gohan was training to fight Buu and that's because he was being trained by literal >redacted< gods.
@@mauricejohnson2351 Saiyans never got those boosts quickly like that. Z always had it they were fighters who adapt to stuff quickly and their growth during battle was minimal. Super has Goku jump entire tiers in span of a few minutes(see ToP) and ends up being stronger than the spirit bomb he threw despite being out of breath for the remainder of TOP.
this is the same issue with people thinking the Uchihas are overpowered. people are literally taking single digit extreme rare outliers out of a race with history of thousands to possibly millions of years and say the entire race is overpowered, as a reminder, raditz with PL of 1500 is considered high tier in saiyans and nappa at 4000-7000 is a top elite class, the only normal saiyans that reached 10k or high is king vegeta, vegeta, and goku (broly is a mutant so he doesn't count). also I don't think you understand how underwhelming is the oozaru form, sure, it increases your power, but it doesn't matter, it's literally ssj grade 3 but way worse, the amount that it slows you down is absolutely ridiculous. vegeta at 180k have trouble landing hits on fatigue goku who is at best 8k. it also doesn't seem to increase you durability as yajirobe at 970 can hurt oozaru vegeta, so the ginyu force can literally just blitz oozaru vegeta to either cut his tail off or blow up his moon ball
But at least it's better than Viltrimites, Martians, and Kryptonians. Viltrimites barely have to train to conquer a planet, while Kryptonians can just absorb the Sun, and they can wipe out a super saiyan with ease or even one shot a six dimensional being. Martians were so broken that the lantern corp gaudrians had to create a physiological weakness to them in order for them to not conquer the universe. At least Saiyans needs to train hard in order to get to that level.
beacuse of terrible writing ..... supers writing is just crappy in z transformation would be a big mile stone for a character in super characters just level up beacuse fudge you 😂 like base form broly beating down god form vegeta is just bad writing .... broly went from trash to god slapper in 40 minutes take that in to account train him for like a year and apparently he would bitch slap all the gods 😂
@@vegetalover9297still they shouldn't have established God in first place It feels like the one who's in charge of entire universe literally ruler is being rivaled by species that were lowly at a point and that saiyan have so much genetic advantage
@@vegetalover9297no it’s shit writing i don’t care if it’s Broly Frieza or Gohan them getting that powerful in 40 minutes WITHOUT god Ki is just absolute bullshit and terrible writing it’s a shame maybe if power levels were never introduced like toriyama wanted we wouldn’t have such garbage scaling in super
@@Randommanontheinternet9641 tbh god ki it´s self is bs . They shoudn´t have included god ki to beggin with . Just look what kind of a mess god ki even is . If you want an example just look at SSG or the bs ways the writters had to deal with power creep at TOP . The inclusion of god ki messed up the power scaling soooooo much . Not only that , it also gave the powercreep a 10x kioken . God ki is just inconsistent bs as a whole.
I thought for simplicity sake I will leave that out. But that considered, Mastered Super Saiyan is over a 500x increase which makes 2 and 3 even more broken. SS 2 Becomes 1000x and SS 3 a 4000x Multiplier Multiplier!!!!!!!
also, i wouldn't really respect the race that can fight saiyans in their transformed state as those guys also has extremely unfair advantages (arguably even more than the saiyan transformations) frieza is a mutant with absolutely BS talent; cell is literally frieza + saiyan + namekian and more; buu is flipping immortal and is at least millions of years old and has insane talent; beerus is a god; hit is thousands of years old and has one of the most broken ability in the series; black is saiyan on steroids; fusion zamasu is even more immortal than buu AND is saiyan on steroids; jiren is a plot device who probably trained with gods; moro has the most broken ability in the series (outside of angels, zeno, and super shenron ofc); granola and gas literally cheated to get their power; gammas and cell max are plot devices.
Beerus didn't train all 75 million But Ithink he beyond than saiyans maybe he train in special time chamber in 1 million years or something and he keps Holding back
True, but I have to make the thumbnail clickable 😁. But even then, the fact that the three full blooded currently alive are approaching Beerus due to the insane Multipliers of their God forms is remarkable.
you can compare it to steroid users irl basically and sadly steroid usage is more common than people think and not always obvious to spot cause even steroid users can look bad
I feel like your sleeping on the namekian's first off the saiyan's as a whole when you think about it while being a race of warriors weren't that powerful in the grand scheme of things remember vegeta was said to be a prodigy by his father breaking every record in saiyan history meaning he was a special case just like how broly was said to be a mutant by the king for his absurd levels of power. With goku while his growth was insane remember he had special teachers to help him hell if we compare his teachings to the earthlings in early dragon ball they had better results than he did up until king kai. Meanwhile with namekian's if Nail is anything to go by the dragon clan was arguably much stronger than the saiyans were as nail had a higher power than vegeta did on namek for a bit same vegeta who again was said to be a prodigy. Meanwhile the Namekians own prodigy piccolo was said to be the strongest warrior in the universe before splitting his power (as well as the recton of beerus and buu) another hint on piccolo's potential is the hero's movie when piccolo got his wish from the dragon shenron did to piccolo what the grand elder did for gohan and krillian and drew forth his hidden powers meaning piccolo had the power to rival goku and vegeta in their god forms the whole time
i mean we dont even know the angels power level. not even beerus comes close to Whis and Nobody in the Canon universe is close to being as strong as Beerus
If you count xenovers you could say that majins are the most broken race since they could just absorb a powerful saiyan having all if his power while having insane regeneration and nearly infinite stamina.
@@ohhellwhereami2574 Yes but even the guy that fought bardock was beating bardock in base. Bardock dominated after he went into super saiyan. Even if they don't much potential as frieza I don't think they have less than an average saiyan.
I would argue that saiyans aren't special at all, and that saiyans are plot armor in a nut shell. I could probably make a video on this. It doesn't make sense that saiyans are as powerful as they are because they are basically just a different branch of human beings in the galaxy. They are so close to human beings genetically that the two can even mate. It's almost like mating a dog with a wolf, but even more so. They basically ARE humans in almost every way other than having a tail, the great ape transformation, the super saiyan ability that enhances their genetics and power level, and having higher base power levels than the average human being in general. The only thing that makes a little sense is that half human/half saiyan hybrids tend to be stronger than the average saiyan becase of " S cells. " Maybe a genetic mutation happens at birth due to cross breeding, thus making their potential for higher energy levels possible, I'll give Toriyama that. (Although mating with a human woman instead of a saiyan woman seems like it should be a down grade but whatever). But the reality is... Humans and saiyans are pretty weak compared to other species in the galaxy, and this is just the species we are aware of. (Dragon ball super is bull shit by the way, but it would further suggest there is tons of species we haven't seen before) Most of the actual powerful species in Dragon ball are actually mutants, it's strongly implied saiyans are at low level compared to Frieza, Burter, Zarbon, Jeice, Ginyu, Recoome, King Cold, and other mutants a like, and it's ALWAYS been that way until Goku, Vegeta, and half saiyan plot armor came along. The mutants are the ones with actual inherent abnormally high power levels, strength, speed, and random abilities like stopping time (Guldo) or swapping bodies. (Ginyu) Goku went from not even being able to beat Vegeta 1v1 without help in the Saiyan saga to smoking Ginyu in a matter of months due to the 100x training, need I say more? Even Namekian's should be stronger than saiyans considering all the abilities they have (a laundry list of abilities might I add, and even being able to materialize clothing like Piccolo did with Gohan and telepathy) Nevermind the fuck that Piccolo was stronger than imperfect cell after fusing with nail and Kami, he didn't even need a plot armor transformation that 50x's his strength. *cough super saiyan* Saiyans were never strong until Toriyama made it so.
Saiyans as a species never trained other than very lightly before Goku and Vegeta, as seen by the pathetic "training" done by kid Vegeta", training also restricted to higher class Saiyans not to make them stronger but to refine their abilities somewhat. There's no comparison really. If they regularly trained appropriately as a species but not to the extremes of Goku and Vegeta, it would be reasonable to see the average high class Saiyans reach Ginyu squad level of power with top quality Saiyans reaching capt.Ginyu+ levels but not much farther outside extreme training methods. With the low and mid class around 5 to 25 thousands depending on their potential and training regiment as they would train aswell but would likely not be pushed as hard by their families or peers to do it as regularly or rigorously as those with more potential. Then again this is what canonical Saiyans ranges would be close to as is had King Vegeta and his ancestors not been so bitch made as to fear his own subjects growth and sending them off on bs missions to kill them before they reach strength higher than theirs. 💁♂️
@@thejedioutcast804 Lol, "I'm not reading this 'shorter reply than my own, because it proves me wrong and only read the first line and entirely misunderstand what points were actually made and not understand why my response is so far off base I need a train to get there." Don't be Lazy, and don't judge a post by its first line alone. That's intellectually dishonest and obfuscates what's actually said in the reply. Thx and have a good day.
@@thejedioutcast804 Also it's rich you give a hypocritical point aswell seeing as your own ramble ends with Saiyans were never strong before Toriyama made them so. When they were literally design to be strong from the start. Not to mention my post finishes with not just how strong they are but how strong they'd be with regular training as a species. Not that you would know that 😏 that would require the ability to read consice, coherent replies and you lack that ability by your own say so. Good day.)
right because seen that's power boost only works on Goku are Gohan with no training and then out of no were 17 gave Goku at his blue state a good run for his money but it doesn't work on Vegeta are trunks the power boost even Krillin even beat Gohan at a fight before the top Krillin and 18 stop Goku's Kamehameha at super Saiyan blue even Kale and Caulifla gave Goku a hard time and they didn't have the intense training or battles that Goku and co gone thought but they got up out of their seats and bam there are now arrival Goku
@@codishotwell150 Exactly this. It’s just typical toriyama with his cheesy writing just writing new characters to be at the same level as Goku and Vegeta because he can’t be bothered to write enticing stories for them slowly gaining power, no, he just has to do the easy way and bring them all up to the decades of training Goku and Vegeta have gone through. Broly is the only exception but all the others are dumb
I’d say frieza’s race has a crazy advantage. Did he not get to god level in 4 months?
That pales into comparison to how fast Broly Got Lowballing Broly got trillions of times stronger than he was at the start of a fight , I don't even think Hulk could keep up with Absurd growth like that
@@nicholasaugello2534 fair
Apparently Frieza and his dad were a rare mutation that made them stronger than normal so for the average saiyans they have more potential than the average Frieza’s lizard race I think
@@dendenlong2558 ahhh makes sense that frieza and his family were just exceptions
@tommyjoestar1626no but he is cooler
Toriyama be like: Give Gohan more power, how you say? Let's try with making him get really angry, we haven't done that before right? I can't remember, so anyways, make him reaaaaally angry so he can break all the limits.
Props to Hit that has no power ups and simply improves his technique enough to bridge the gap with Gokus xbillion gazillion multipliers.
Great video man
Thank you bro, positive comments like yours are what keep me going in this cutthroat platform called UA-cam.
Piccolo must be one god tier namekian
He is god tier. Even Guru was like "Nah, the saiyans wouldn't have rolled up on Piccolo if he was whole".
I say the potential for techniques are also equal as busted as sayians
I mean there are techniques that allow people to teleport by entering a dimension
Create a indestructible material out of thin air
Etc etc
Like the amount techniques in dragons ball that if expand on could be unbelievable broken is absurd
Or forced spirt fission like imagine being able to take away Someone energy by just touching them is absurd
@@sentryishereit's also a fusion cancelation technique by separating the merged energy signatures within the target.
With how stupidly power a Saiyan can grow in a short amount of time, it's weird that how they still can't breathe in space
It is funny how the best way to beat these beings, who rival GoD's, is by blowing up whatever planet they live on, a feat that even a weakened base Vegeta could accomplish in the Saiyan Saga.
@@hombojimbolol right
Didnt bardock prove that wrong though
@bliksemridder7936 No, because that still happened within the planet's atmosphere, not the vacuum of space.
Yeah, you'd think that achieving God Ki would grant them the ability to survive space. In fact, even ordinary Ki should've been used to sustain themselves in space, I mean, look at DBZ Broly 😑
This is why I believe that saiyans should have rock bottom training potential and either need to train constantly or rely on transformations/zenkais.
I’d give every race zenkais and specifically humans high potential so they’re still on par with the saiyans. Goku has to be training constantly to always stay ahead while the humans can keep their normal lives.
As for broly, I’d just give him the simple nerf that his power resets after every time he hulks out. If he starts at a 5 and grows to a 500 in a fight, once it’s over he’s back to a 5. He still needs to train to get that base number up meaning he matches his opponent quicker, but broly isn’t just max op.
Same with gohan, no plot convenience rage boost. Gohan has to work just like everyone else but his power is balanced by his lack of fighting spirit and refusal to use ssj.
What do you mean by gohan refuse to use ssj, he’s already using a form beyond ssj
well vegeta did state that the saiyans are the ultimate warrior race and they don't do limits. 😁
They do have limits, they just broke them like new record.
Because the writer kept adding transformations after transformations even though saiyans were already overpowered even before dbz. They basically suffered from the Uchiha treatment.
U6 sayians are the most broken there’s no way they should’ve been able to comp with goku and vegeta
Imagine just how much potential cell has.
Eh, I feel like Saiyan fast growth rate was retcon'd. Saiyans just adapt to battle faster and get more from training. The only time a boost that big happened when Gohan was training to fight Buu and that's because he was being trained by literal >redacted< gods.
Vegeta in super literally said he got stronger than he was minutes ago when fighting Granolah its a stupid fast growth rate
@@mauricejohnson2351 The Granolah had happened way after those retcon'd tho
@@nanofate8662? I'm confused? Explain those retcons
@@mauricejohnson2351 Saiyans never got those boosts quickly like that. Z always had it they were fighters who adapt to stuff quickly and their growth during battle was minimal. Super has Goku jump entire tiers in span of a few minutes(see ToP) and ends up being stronger than the spirit bomb he threw despite being out of breath for the remainder of TOP.
I do have a theory that broly's mother would have been the one that had the gene mutation in order to even remotely pass it down to broly.
this is the same issue with people thinking the Uchihas are overpowered. people are literally taking single digit extreme rare outliers out of a race with history of thousands to possibly millions of years and say the entire race is overpowered, as a reminder, raditz with PL of 1500 is considered high tier in saiyans and nappa at 4000-7000 is a top elite class, the only normal saiyans that reached 10k or high is king vegeta, vegeta, and goku (broly is a mutant so he doesn't count).
also I don't think you understand how underwhelming is the oozaru form, sure, it increases your power, but it doesn't matter, it's literally ssj grade 3 but way worse, the amount that it slows you down is absolutely ridiculous. vegeta at 180k have trouble landing hits on fatigue goku who is at best 8k. it also doesn't seem to increase you durability as yajirobe at 970 can hurt oozaru vegeta, so the ginyu force can literally just blitz oozaru vegeta to either cut his tail off or blow up his moon ball
But at least it's better than Viltrimites, Martians, and Kryptonians. Viltrimites barely have to train to conquer a planet, while Kryptonians can just absorb the Sun, and they can wipe out a super saiyan with ease or even one shot a six dimensional being. Martians were so broken that the lantern corp gaudrians had to create a physiological weakness to them in order for them to not conquer the universe. At least Saiyans needs to train hard in order to get to that level.
thank godness we don't have hybrid legendary saiyans
🤣💀, I never thought of that. It would be a nightmare.
one day...
bros gonna lift a 1lb dumbel and become ssjb goku level (post granolah arc)
Hey if Broly and Cheelai have a kid, he/she will be bullying Beerus for lunch money by the time they're 5. 😂
beacuse of terrible writing ..... supers writing is just crappy in z transformation would be a big mile stone for a character in super characters just level up beacuse fudge you 😂 like base form broly beating down god form vegeta is just bad writing .... broly went from trash to god slapper in 40 minutes take that in to account train him for like a year and apparently he would bitch slap all the gods 😂
that's not terrible writing he's Broly
@@vegetalover9297still they shouldn't have established God in first place
It feels like the one who's in charge of entire universe literally ruler is being rivaled by species that were lowly at a point and that saiyan have so much genetic advantage
@@vegetalover9297no it’s shit writing i don’t care if it’s Broly Frieza or Gohan them getting that powerful in 40 minutes WITHOUT god Ki is just absolute bullshit and terrible writing it’s a shame maybe if power levels were never introduced like toriyama wanted we wouldn’t have such garbage scaling in super
@@Randommanontheinternet9641 tbh god ki it´s self is bs . They shoudn´t have included god ki to beggin with . Just look what kind of a mess god ki even is . If you want an example just look at SSG or the bs ways the writters had to deal with power creep at TOP . The inclusion of god ki messed up the power scaling soooooo much .
Not only that , it also gave the powercreep a 10x kioken . God ki is just inconsistent bs as a whole.
we not gonna talk about one of the Spanish magazines saying SSJ grade 3 is a 500X boost?
I thought for simplicity sake I will leave that out. But that considered, Mastered Super Saiyan is over a 500x increase which makes 2 and 3 even more broken. SS 2 Becomes 1000x and SS 3 a 4000x Multiplier Multiplier!!!!!!!
Namekians and humans too. Krillin and Piccolo caught up relatively to Goku quickly for T.O.P.
I think I will have to make a series discussing how broken every race is. Because honestly most of them are broken in their unique ways.
also, i wouldn't really respect the race that can fight saiyans in their transformed state as those guys also has extremely unfair advantages (arguably even more than the saiyan transformations) frieza is a mutant with absolutely BS talent; cell is literally frieza + saiyan + namekian and more; buu is flipping immortal and is at least millions of years old and has insane talent; beerus is a god; hit is thousands of years old and has one of the most broken ability in the series; black is saiyan on steroids; fusion zamasu is even more immortal than buu AND is saiyan on steroids; jiren is a plot device who probably trained with gods; moro has the most broken ability in the series (outside of angels, zeno, and super shenron ofc); granola and gas literally cheated to get their power; gammas and cell max are plot devices.
Imagine if freeza didint wipe them out their could be a universe of Genocidal super saiyans or maybe even super saiyan 3s 💀
frieza: wussup ma *****
Beerus didn't train all 75 million
But Ithink he beyond than saiyans maybe he train in special time chamber in 1 million years or something and he keps Holding back
True, but I have to make the thumbnail clickable 😁. But even then, the fact that the three full blooded currently alive are approaching Beerus due to the insane Multipliers of their God forms is remarkable.
you can compare it to steroid users irl basically and sadly steroid usage is more common than people think and not always obvious to spot cause even steroid users can look bad
Why ? Because they have plot/main character buff. ~ The End
I feel like your sleeping on the namekian's first off the saiyan's as a whole when you think about it while being a race of warriors weren't that powerful in the grand scheme of things remember vegeta was said to be a prodigy by his father breaking every record in saiyan history meaning he was a special case just like how broly was said to be a mutant by the king for his absurd levels of power. With goku while his growth was insane remember he had special teachers to help him hell if we compare his teachings to the earthlings in early dragon ball they had better results than he did up until king kai.
Meanwhile with namekian's if Nail is anything to go by the dragon clan was arguably much stronger than the saiyans were as nail had a higher power than vegeta did on namek for a bit same vegeta who again was said to be a prodigy. Meanwhile the Namekians own prodigy piccolo was said to be the strongest warrior in the universe before splitting his power (as well as the recton of beerus and buu) another hint on piccolo's potential is the hero's movie when piccolo got his wish from the dragon shenron did to piccolo what the grand elder did for gohan and krillian and drew forth his hidden powers meaning piccolo had the power to rival goku and vegeta in their god forms the whole time
True.
Why? because the author said so!
i mean we dont even know the angels power level. not even beerus comes close to Whis and Nobody in the Canon universe is close to being as strong as Beerus
But you have to admit that in General, compared to other alien races (Especially Mortals) in the Dragon Ball Universe Saiyans are pretty busted.
@@WolfFang28 i agree with that for sure
just bad writing
this show sucks in every aspect that exists (DBS)
And whatever kills them make them Gods... over time... LOL
" DISGUSTING " ?
🤣😅, I ran out of word to emphasize my point
If you count xenovers you could say that majins are the most broken race since they could just absorb a powerful saiyan having all if his power while having insane regeneration and nearly infinite stamina.
No even close. Broly is an exception to the rule. The frost demons have the most potential
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Freiza and his family were rare mutation so average freiza guy would be weaker
@@ohhellwhereami2574 Yes but even the guy that fought bardock was beating bardock in base. Bardock dominated after he went into super saiyan. Even if they don't much potential as frieza I don't think they have less than an average saiyan.
I actually love Goten and Trunks now way more than Buu Saga
What do you like about them?
I would argue that saiyans aren't special at all, and that saiyans are plot armor in a nut shell. I could probably make a video on this.
It doesn't make sense that saiyans are as powerful as they are because they are basically just a different branch of human beings in the galaxy. They are so close to human beings genetically that the two can even mate. It's almost like mating a dog with a wolf, but even more so. They basically ARE humans in almost every way other than having a tail, the great ape transformation, the super saiyan ability that enhances their genetics and power level, and having higher base power levels than the average human being in general.
The only thing that makes a little sense is that half human/half saiyan hybrids tend to be stronger than the average saiyan becase of " S cells. " Maybe a genetic mutation happens at birth due to cross breeding, thus making their potential for higher energy levels possible, I'll give Toriyama that. (Although mating with a human woman instead of a saiyan woman seems like it should be a down grade but whatever).
But the reality is... Humans and saiyans are pretty weak compared to other species in the galaxy, and this is just the species we are aware of. (Dragon ball super is bull shit by the way, but it would further suggest there is tons of species we haven't seen before)
Most of the actual powerful species in Dragon ball are actually mutants, it's strongly implied saiyans are at low level compared to Frieza, Burter, Zarbon, Jeice, Ginyu, Recoome, King Cold, and other mutants a like, and it's ALWAYS been that way until Goku, Vegeta, and half saiyan plot armor came along. The mutants are the ones with actual inherent abnormally high power levels, strength, speed, and random abilities like stopping time (Guldo) or swapping bodies. (Ginyu) Goku went from not even being able to beat Vegeta 1v1 without help in the Saiyan saga to smoking Ginyu in a matter of months due to the 100x training, need I say more? Even Namekian's should be stronger than saiyans considering all the abilities they have (a laundry list of abilities might I add, and even being able to materialize clothing like Piccolo did with Gohan and telepathy) Nevermind the fuck that Piccolo was stronger than imperfect cell after fusing with nail and Kami, he didn't even need a plot armor transformation that 50x's his strength. *cough super saiyan*
Saiyans were never strong until Toriyama made it so.
Saiyans as a species never trained other than very lightly before Goku and Vegeta, as seen by the pathetic "training" done by kid Vegeta", training also restricted to higher class Saiyans not to make them stronger but to refine their abilities somewhat.
There's no comparison really.
If they regularly trained appropriately as a species but not to the extremes of Goku and Vegeta, it would be reasonable to see the average high class Saiyans reach Ginyu squad level of power with top quality Saiyans reaching capt.Ginyu+ levels but not much farther outside extreme training methods.
With the low and mid class around 5 to 25 thousands depending on their potential and training regiment as they would train aswell but would likely not be pushed as hard by their families or peers to do it as regularly or rigorously as those with more potential.
Then again this is what canonical Saiyans ranges would be close to as is had King Vegeta and his ancestors not been so bitch made as to fear his own subjects growth and sending them off on bs missions to kill them before they reach strength higher than theirs. 💁♂️
Shut up, no. Saiyans were a warrior race who definitely trained. I'm not reading all of that.@@guytheincognito4186
@@thejedioutcast804
Lol, "I'm not reading this 'shorter reply than my own, because it proves me wrong and only read the first line and entirely misunderstand what points were actually made and not understand why my response is so far off base I need a train to get there."
Don't be Lazy, and don't judge a post by its first line alone. That's intellectually dishonest and obfuscates what's actually said in the reply. Thx and have a good day.
@@thejedioutcast804
Also it's rich you give a hypocritical point aswell seeing as your own ramble ends with Saiyans were never strong before Toriyama made them so. When they were literally design to be strong from the start. Not to mention my post finishes with not just how strong they are but how strong they'd be with regular training as a species. Not that you would know that 😏 that would require the ability to read consice, coherent replies and you lack that ability by your own say so.
Good day.)
I just call it terrible writing. Nothing more nothing less.
right because seen that's power boost only works on Goku are Gohan with no training and then out of no were 17 gave Goku at his blue state a good run for his money but it doesn't work on Vegeta are trunks the power boost even Krillin even beat Gohan at a fight before the top Krillin and 18 stop Goku's Kamehameha at super Saiyan blue even Kale and Caulifla gave Goku a hard time and they didn't have the intense training or battles that Goku and co gone thought but they got up out of their seats and bam there are now arrival Goku
Broly Is A Different Case Considering He’s A Saiyan Mutant
@@codishotwell150 Exactly this. It’s just typical toriyama with his cheesy writing just writing new characters to be at the same level as Goku and Vegeta because he can’t be bothered to write enticing stories for them slowly gaining power, no, he just has to do the easy way and bring them all up to the decades of training Goku and Vegeta have gone through. Broly is the only exception but all the others are dumb
Sayains are overrated. Dragon ball is losing its luster over them.
Great video man